Doughboys - Church's Chicken with Demi Adejuyigbe

Episode Date: November 17, 2016

Mitch and Wiger welcome Demi Adejuyigbe (The Good Place, Gilmore Guys) to review his Texas childhood favorite, Church's Chicken, to weigh coffee versus tea, and to participate in the Doughboys Thanksgiving draft. Plus, Mitch flips the script on Wiger with the first ever Mitch Challenge.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Marie Curie, the first woman to win a Nobel Prize. Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space. Hillary Clinton, the first woman to win the presidency of the United States. Add to that list of trailblazers the name Hala Model Mogg, who in 1995 became the first female president of a restaurant chain, ascending to helm a Texas-based fried chicken franchise that traces its origins back to 1952. That year, its founder and namesake opened his first eatery in San Antonio, Texas, directly across the street from the Alamo.

At first focusing on its crispy skinned birds befitting its Texas origins, the only sign they offered was Jalapeno Peppers. The restaurant was a regional hit and by the 1960s it had expanded to 100 locations, in the 70s to 1000s, and in the 80s, following a bizarrely successful partnership with the United States Chess Federation while sponsoring the Grand Prix of Chess, it merged with rival Popeye's chicken to forge an alliance against chicken sector Goliath KFC. The union didn't last, however, and into that leadership void of the mid-90s came Model Mogg, whose stewardship saw the chain grow internationally, eventually being purchased

by Islamic venture capital firm Arcapita, perhaps a surprise given its largely southern clientele. Model Mogg now runs the Metro Atlanta Chamber after being in charge of Susan G. Komen for the Cure and another important organization, Arbis. But her legacy remains breaking the glass ceiling at the fourth biggest chicken chain in the world. This week on Doughboys, Church is Chicken. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants. We're a part of Farrellaudio.com.

I'm Nick Weigar, alongside my co-host, Postal Abadibi Peter Griffin, Mike Mitchell, the Spoon Man. Mitch, how are you? Postal Abadibi Peter Griffin. That was courtesy of Ollie Sloman at Oslo Man. And if you've got an insult you'd like me to use on Mitch at the top of the show, roastspoonmanatgmail.com is where to send them. God, you think that roast is bad?

Oh my God, Lois. That's not bad. Yeah. Is that just like a, like, that's a pretty decent, I've heard a number of people do the Peter Griffin and I wonder if it's just not that hard, our buddy Mookie Blakelock who was on the show for, what chain did he do? What chain did he do? Oh, he was on the fucking Doughlympics.

We wasted him on, we wasted his time with the Doughlympics. Sorry, Mookie. Sorry, Mookie. I'll have you back. Yes. The baby. Yeah, he does. Yeah.

But like that, that's a voice I've heard a lot of people do and I wonder if it's just like kind of a pretty, I don't know if it's a doable impression or I just know a lot of decent impressionists. A character, you know a character is good when everybody can do it. Well, that's what I was going to say because like Homer is such a... Come here, boy. Yeah. I can do season one Homer.

I can do season one Homer. I can do season one Homer. The Tracy Oman Show Homer. But like... It's time for your bath. Actual. That was what the symptoms came out. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. It was about Bart being a disobedient boy. Yeah. And Homer having to wash him every night. Right. But like that's like Homer's voice is like not a voice a lot of people can do. Yeah. Peter Griffin's a lot of people can do.

Yeah. A lot of people can do Peter Griffin. And I was just kidding about that burn, that sounds like Spoo Man took a bite out of family guy right there. But yeah. I don't know. I think... You have no beef with Quohog?

Yeah. Quohog is fine. It's right in your neck of the woods. It's Quissy adjacent. It's fake, right? Yeah. I think it's fake. I don't know.

You know what? I don't have much love for the rest of New England. Fuck the rest of New England. Also, congrats to the Chicago Cubs. This is going to come out three weeks. Well, you know we're recording this in advance. Yeah, I know. Well, we're just not supposed to address it?

No, you can... I mean, you can address it. I just say like this is going to seem pretty... You're time stamping this episode, the time we're recording this episode. Well, congrats to the Chicago Cubs. Yeah, congrats, Cubbies. And that Chicago comedy mafia out here, all those comedy people. A lot of very funny people who are from the Northwestern...

A lot of Northwestern alums. A lot of people just from Second City, etc. Yeah, a lot of Chicago folk. Yeah. Headed by Don Odenkirk. Don Odenkirk? He's the head of the Chicago comedy mafia. Yay!

The Cubs won. Hooray! Oh, you're doing your Odenkirk impression now. I'm on a little impression kick this episode. All right. Yeah. Get him out of your system. I'm Saul and the Cubs won and I'm happy about it.

That's my bottle. Classic Odenkirk saying I'm Saul. I mean, he has only done good things for me. Yeah. But why not burn that bridge, too, huh? To Spoon Nation. And here we go. What the fuck?

You started this, all right? That's H-A-R-R-Y-S.com. Intercode DIRTERSHET. Check out to get $5 off and help support the show. Well, I don't think we can play that. Speaking of burning bridges, so much for our sponsorship deal with Harry's Razor Company. Maybe I should listen to these before I play them. It's working out great.

You know, Mitch, I'm going to propose something. Do you want to credit who sent that in real quick? Oh, yeah. I should. The guy who has a beef with Harry's Razor. The guy who sabotaged our business relationship with Harry's. Thanks, buddy. No, you know what?

I think that's fine. They'll know that that was someone fucking around. That's not our actual assessment of the product. Or is that really how you feel? That might be really how I feel. That's not helping. You know what? I did honestly use, I've used their shaving cream and their razors and it's like everything's

worked great, although I did use their aftershave and I had an allergic reaction to it. I don't think it's their fault. I think that was just the active ingredient in it. I have a reaction to some medication that are on Band-Aids and it was similar to that. I just sort of flamed up a little bit. Yeah, I don't blame this on a Harry's. I blame this on how you're allergic to everything. It's my gentle disposition.

I don't have food allergies, but I have some topical cream allergies. That was from Andrew Schwartz at Entourage Slop. Cool. This is Twitter handle. Great. So, we burned the Entourage Bridge, co-hog, the family guy's done. Every Chicago contact and Bob is not going to be on the show anymore. You would totally be turtling like the Entourage reboot.

What the fuck does that mean? I feel like that's the kind of like they'd go for like a younger Jerry Ferrara type and they'd cast Mike Mitchell. I'm like barely even younger. Really? You're going to be like 10 years younger than Jerry Ferrara. Hopefully I'm 10 years younger. You know that my godfather's son, Neil Kiley, he owns the Fat Cat and Quincy.

He was like a finalist for Turtle. Whoa. And he's a guy who like always kind of like he was in a commercial, like a super so called commercial when I was younger. I looked up to him a lot and he was in Karate Kid 3. Wow. Real credits. Yeah, real credits.

And then so he was like a finalist for Turtle when it was a Boston based show. They were originally going to be like from Boston and Neil's like a, he's a funny, he's a funny Boston guy. But then it turned out to be there from New York. And that was history. They changed it from Boston to New York and they're just like we want an authentic New York guy. Not someone who's going to do a Boston accent.

That's a bummer. I feel like he could have sold it. I mean like, oh, like if he had done a New York accent. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. He's an actor. Yeah, he's, yeah. That's not an impossible thing to do.

Oh no, for sure. That's what might have been. What might have been. Yeah, what might have been. Yeah. Let's introduce our guest. He's a writer and comedian from The Good Place at Midnight in the Hit podcast. Gilmore guys.

Demi Adidjuibes here. Hi Demi. Hello. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me here. Sorry, sorry you had to listen to. Yeah. Sorry you had to listen to any of this podcast.

I loved it. It was like listening to the podcast in my car except I'm here. But I don't have to worry about missing an off ramp or something. Hello. Welcome. We are glad that you're here. Demi, I have a little question to ask you up top. Sure.

Which is that, do you like me? Can we skip this? That's the subtext of everything I ask anyone. I'm just asking, looking for approval. No, we were going to, we tried to have you bring you on for the Red Lobster episode. Yes. And you had tweeted at us. I honestly like, I know you from Twitter and I also know you from at midnight, but like

you're one of the funniest guys on Twitter and I didn't even know you were aware of the podcast and you tweeted at us, do an entire episode about Cheddar Bay Biscuits. Something to that effect. Right. And I was like, I reached out to you. I was like, would you like to come to the podcast? We tried to bring you on the Red Lobster episode. The scheduling didn't work out, but you're here now.

But I want to get your thoughts on Cheddar Bay Biscuits and Red Lobster. Honestly, I feel like Red Lobster's entire menu is secondary just to the free Biscuits that they give everybody. It's so weird because I think I have such fond memories of going to Red Lobster as a kid and like having it be somewhere that we'd go for special occasions. But we'd also go, like we just go and then anytime it was like, you get to choose a restaurant I'd still pick Red Lobster despite going out all the time. Right.

And I just have such fond memories of getting like filling up on the Biscuits and then just being like, oh, I'll get a cup of soup to go because I'm not hungry anymore. Oh, wow. It's just that good. And we even like, I think eventually they started selling the Cheddar Bay Biscuit like a box of pre-made stuff that you'd cook in like Kroger's. So I'd go and buy those and make them at home too. And it's just this, the most gluttonous like opener to a meal, but it tastes so good.

Right. And I realized today when we were at churches that like two of the places I associate with like as the places I loved eating when I lived in Texas was they both had Biscuits. Right. Those were a specialty like Red Lobster and churches. As a Texan, were like homemade Biscuits everything in your home? For me, but I was never a biscuit person, which is why it's so weird that churches and Red Lobster, those were the big things for me.

You didn't identify as a biscuit guy, but you're realizing later in life you are a biscuit guy. Yeah. Biscuits and gravy is like a big breakfast, like Southern breakfast thing. And I, it seems so strange to me. I don't know if I've actually ever had an order of biscuits and gravy for breakfast. Oh man, it's real good. Yeah. You like that gravy?

I am not. Okay. I think that because my favorite biscuits have the flavor in them, I'm just kind of like, I don't need something else to add to it. That's a good point. Yeah. If you've got these great biscuits, then why do you get an egg in the gravy? Yeah.

Not mashed potatoes. Well, here's the thing. I get what you're saying. It's a little bit different from a gravy standpoint because you're dealing with sausage gravy, which has a different character to like your brown gravy or your turkey gravy. It comes out gray, right? So yeah, it's kind of like a gray. It's really got the name.

Yeah. It doesn't necessarily, it doesn't look super appetizing. Is that true? Is that true? I couldn't believe it. Because I heard it laugh at that and then I was like, maybe it couldn't be real. They used to call it V. Right, yeah.

They realized this has a color associated with it. And V is just a letter. Brown V sounds gross. I would eat some brown V. I think that sounds delicious. Oh boy. So you're talking to me, if you go to Red Lobster, you're basically just having those biscuits. You don't have a specific seafood entree you're going for.

Well, I feel like as I got older, I would get smart and just be like, I'll have just three of the biscuits tops. And then I do really like the soup there, like the lobster bisque at Red Lobster. Yeah, that's real good. Fantastic. And then past that, I don't know, some shrimp or lobster. Shrimp is the way to go there. Yeah, I'm not a huge crab guy.

And I think that shrimp is the way, we said it on an episode, I think that it should be renamed Pink Shrimpies. You said that. I did not second that. I think it was a thing we came up with. I believe it was just you. I think I said that's a bad idea. They shouldn't call it that.

I do. I love the shrimp there, but I also was listening to the episode of Jessica McKenna and how her husband would eat like 80 of those. Oh yeah. I couldn't do that. Right. That's intense. Too much.

Yeah. I also, there's like some things that I don't like to fill up on. And I guess like, of course I'm going to eat a big seafood meal and get stuff, but I like seafood and sushi are things that like, when I get like, like, if I'm having a steak dinner, I can be like, I'm so stuffed. I can't breathe. Yeah. But really stuffing yourself on like shrimp is so strange to me for whatever reason.

The sick, the sickest I've ever felt is when I had too much sushi. Like I've had too much sushi. I like, there was a point where I had to, I woke up in the middle of the night and I was in such pain. I had to like drive to CVS and buy pep doll biz ball because I just like, I couldn't, I was just in agony from just stuffing myself with that much seafood. So yeah, I think, I think your body has a certain tolerance for certain things, but yeah, I don't think you're supposed to put that much.

Yeah, then leave that in the ocean. Yeah. You don't need to put all, you don't need to put the entire ocean into your stomach. Yeah. Yeah. This isn't an old Chinese story. Right. Yeah.

You don't have to put the entire ocean into your stomach. What, what Chinese story is this? There's an old Chinese, like a fable, right? Where like all these brothers have different powers. Yeah. Where they all eat the ocean. And one can swallow, and he can swallow the ocean. You know what I'm talking about?

It's a very, I actually, I remember this and I remember like looking back on it, it was kind of a grim thing to be learning in school because it's these seven brothers, I think, and they're all, they're going to be executed and they try to execute the first brother and the first brother has like a neck that's made of iron so they can't chop his head off. Is that what it is? Yeah. And then there's like another brother who like, he can hold his breath forever. So they put him, they try to, to, to, you know, drown him, but he can just hold his

breath for all, for all of time so they can't kill him. So they just keep going down the line. They've all got this different superpower that prevents a different method of execution. Is that the story you remember? I, I thought it was something, I thought it was something where the, all the brothers had different abilities and then one can swallow the ocean, but then there's like one brother who doesn't like listen to his rules and he goes out and explores the ocean and then he has to like spit the ocean back and the guy drowns.

And that sounds like the third X-Men movie. Yeah. Maybe I'm just thinking of X-Men 3. You might be, did, did one of the brothers destroy a bridge? Yeah. And one of the brothers was Juggernaut. I, I, yeah, that's where the meme came from. From that old Chinese fable.

I'm Juggernaut bitch, don't ever. Ancient Chinese words. Also the, the old Chinese fable like it could have easily been written by a racist white man, possibly like that was writing like a, was making this Chinese character. Who knows. Don't let the Chinese into our land. They'll suck up our ocean. I, I'm truly trying to, because that sounds vaguely familiar, but I'm also just like,

well, what would have been the moral of that fable? I think one, like one brother is just kind of like a cocky asshole and doesn't listen like, doesn't like his, like his brother has power and like they all have powers. And then like, but this one is a little too cocky and then the, like he swallows the ocean, then he goes out and explores the ocean, then he draws. I think. Hmm. If you know the story, don't get at us.

Hashtag what? Hashtag Chinese story trap. I actually really liked that. Identify that, identify that story that our minds get. Oh, by the way, the curse of the Spoon Man became real. What's the curse of the Spoon Man? That's, that's how the Chicago Cubs won. I just want to make that clear.

Oh, so if you take a bite out of something, something, something good happens to them. I said the curse of the Spoon Man is on Chicago and then the Cubs won the World Series. That's not a curse. That's not a curse. That's the opposite of a curse. No, that's what I'm saying. I was saying that my curses are, well, the good things will happen for them. Oh, gotcha.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause you're attempting. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're attempting to curse something, but it's a back, it backfires. Exactly. Got it. Great.

I got you. Do you want me to curse something for you? Sure. Why don't you curse the Los Angeles Lakers? Hmm. I'm going to pass. Curse the Timberwolves. I'll curse the Timberwolves for sure.

All right. How's Chris Dunn doing? I don't know. No, is he? I think he's doing okay. He's doing okay. Yeah. Jaylen Brown looks pretty good.

I don't know. Every time we have a sports talk on this podcast, we get like tweets that are like, sports talk is boring. I hate when you talk about Tom Brady or whatever. I feel like every time I get involved in a sports conversation, it's like I chose to go out on a type rope without knowing how to walk a type rope. I have a very cursory knowledge of sports, but I'm very into them like near the finals of any sports.

And I can follow it very quickly, but then outside you're like, how's Chris Dunn? I'm like, is he on the tier? He's a rookie. So he doesn't even need to be. Right. He's a Providence guy. But that brings up a good thing. What's your, of all, we've talked about stadium food.

Yeah. But of every sport, what is like your favorite food to get in every sport at every stadium? I'm not sure. Does it deviate that much per event? I guess. I guess you're into stadium versus an arena, indoor arena changes. I have a vote. And I think that people will know what I'm talking about, but I wonder, I wonder what

your favorite. Can you, can you, can you tee us off with an example? So I just want to tell you what mine is. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. My vote is hockey rink pizza. Growing up was so good, specifically hockey rink pizza.

I know that sounds crazy, but it's the truth. Like a, like going to a hockey rink and they would just have that square pizza. It's a common thing. I think that people are going to relate to this or they're going to say I'm crazy, but I think hockey, like a youth hockey youth arena is going to have some great pizza. Hmm. Now I sound like a mad man, but I swear it's no, I, I trust you. I haven't been to, I've, I actually never been to an NHL game.

I've been to a handful of like amateur hockey games. I don't know if I've ever gotten concessions at them or we're going to say Demi. I played hockey growing up, but I never ate because I was playing. So I'm just trying to imagine what the food there was like for the fact guys in the stands like be watching you. Yeah. The people who aren't, they have no one in the game, they just came for the pizza. Yeah.

They should be taking in a lot of youth hockey as a single man. Those games are good. They're exhilarating. They're talented kids. There's a reason the mighty ducks for children are not adults. I think that with any sort of sport, my go to food is a cinnamon pretzel, but that's just anything. Anything where there's a concession stand, I like cinnamon pretzels, but I do feel like

that wouldn't be as good in a cold arena. So I don't know if I do that at hockey. That's a good, that's a good point. That's, and also cinnamon pretzel is great. Yeah. It's great. It's pretty specific. I've, I've recently switched over to like the buttery, like an Atean's buttery, like

just plain butter, butter pretzel, but then dipping it in the cheese sauce. I think that's, that's so good. Yeah. Kind of also sweet still, but like it's a, it's like, I mean, it's half the cinnamon, the cinnamon pretzel, it's the butter and then they don't add any of the cinnamon sugar. I didn't realize how much I've really liked cinnamon pretzels until I went to a show at the forum this week and I, I wanted to see if they had pretzels. So I was like, what type of pretzels do you have in there, like just salt or no salt?

And I got unreasonably upset and I just turn around and went like, no, like without, without thinking of what I was saying to this kind of woman who was just answering my question, I just went, no. Just castigating a stranger for something they have no control over. For not having cinnamon pretzels, you know. Um, you know, I think my answer to your query, bitch, is going to be a little dull. Hmm. That's surprising.

But I, because probably my most common ballpark indulgence is nachos at basketball games, but I'd say probably my favorite is the classic ballpark Frank. You go to a baseball game, you have yourself a hot dog. I mean, that's just, that's just a marathon. Henry Franks, Dodger dogs, they all got some good dogs. That's for sure. It's one of the best places to eat a hot dog. Right.

You get yourself a hot dog and a brew dog or an ice cold soda. Everything dog at the. All right. Well, I call beers brew dogs. That's a personal affectation. You got some nacho dogs. All right. So, Sidemy, Texas, you're from Texas, you grew up in Texas, but my understanding is

you were born in London. Do you move to Texas when you're pretty young and don't really have any memory of living in London? That's three, yeah. Gotcha. I don't have much memory of living in London, but I, we used to go back to London like every year, every other year during the summer. Okay.

So, I still am like culturally ingrained with it. That's cool. That's a certain degree. So, do you have like much of an opinion on something that's famously maligned is British food? Do you have any, do you have any opinions on that? A lot of vinegar? Okay.

Not into it. I do feel like there are certain things that are always great like shepherd's pie rules, fish and chips is a great combination. Yeah, fish and chips is great. You don't like vinegar. I'm a vinegar nut. I love vinegar. The thing is I love salt in measures, but then vinegar is somehow too salty or too bitter

to me. I get you. Okay. It's definitely an intense flavor. Yeah. In the war of vinegar versus oil, what side do you take? Like if you get a salad, do you want more oil or you want more vinegar? Oil and vinegar are the two basic, that's like the most basic salad dressing topping

that there is. But they go together. Yeah, they go together. But they also don't go together. That's the whole point of it. I guess. Like you're asking me which I prefer. Yeah, you know what?

I'd say oil is more functional. I fucking regret asking you. I was just trying to have some fun. No, I was just like, I feel like I'm so, I'm used to them being together. Like oil and vinegar is like a salad dressing, I guess, is it? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So in terms of proportions, I want 50-50.

Give me an even split. Okay. I feel like when I make dressing for a salad, I don't use vinegar, but I do. I think if I have to choose between the two, I'm going vinegar just because it has actual flavor and doesn't make me feel gross. Yeah. Right. But yeah, they go together.

They go together. What's that saying? Because there's a saying about being full of piss and vinegar? Yeah. What's the etymology of that, I wonder? It's also a salad dressing. Jesus Christ. Paul Newman's own piss and vinegar.

It's disgusting. I believe that was the first flavor, and then they said, maybe you should go back to acting. He was like, it's for charity. They're like, all right, we'll take care of the flavors. Send this one to Hidden Valley. Yeah. Let me tell you, I love Newman's lemonade and limeade. I think the Newman's own brand all around a lot of winners.

Wait, do they make drink or is that a flavor? They make drinks. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, Newman's lemonade. Oh my God. Oh, you got it. You got it. I like it a lot.

Are you a lemonade fan? Yeah, I love lemonade. Oh, they do. I think they do one of the best. Because you know what I say about minute-made lemonade? Minutes up. Get the fuck out of here. I hate minute-made lemonade.

It tastes like shit. What about that? You can agree with that. What's that? Yeah. Country time? Your time's up. Get the fuck out of here.

Get the fuck out, country time. Lemonade brands exist. Lemonade. Hi-C. Bye-C. Later. Hi-C. More like a low F.

Yeah. There you go. There you go. Demi, you professional writer. We should have someone like Demi during our shows to just... I'm free to do punch-ups. Yeah. We'll pay you in a snack or wax snack.

Just pay me in a little bit of all the food you guys eat for every episode. Would you agree with that? I would say Newman is the king of brand lemonade and lemonade. I kind of like... I know it's not a cool choice, but I kind of feel like Snapple's lemonade is not bad. That is fucking raw. I like their Kiwi Strawberry. That's good, yeah.

Kiwi Strawberry's not lemonade. Kiwi Strawberry's okay. And I like... You know what I like? I like their half iced tea, half lemonade. Yeah. What I want to maybe vote more of my association with is, but Arizona Ice Tea, they do a pretty good Arnold Palmer.

Arizona Ice Tea, I mean, Arizona Ice Tea to me is the king of ice teas. I think that's the best store brand ice tea. I do like Pure Leaf. I don't know. That's what Waggar has. Yeah. I got a Pure Leaf right here. Is Pure Leaf...

Is that non-sweetened or... Well, you know what? Today, we got some... I don't want to spoil what we got, but we got some sweet tea today. Are you a sweetened tea or unsweetened? What do you like? What do you prefer? I generally go unsweetened, but you know, drinking this Pure Leaf right now, I'm more

like Pure Quiefe. Get the fuck out of here. I'm sticking with Arizona, right? I can't remember what it's called now. The man who was outraged by our piss-and-vinegar salad aggressive... It's drinking Pure Quiefe. It's drinking for Pure Quiefe. I don't know why I took a shot at them.

He's gotten me pretty full. You've drank most of the bottle. Yeah, I'm almost done. It's delicious. Hey, Demi, I'm sorry to cut you off. No, no, I sort of jumped in. There is a brand of sweet tea that's like Austin base that I can't remember the name of right now and I think has like grandma in the title or something.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. It's like in LA too, but I think it's from Austin. Oh, yes. I've had that one. It is quite good. They're unsweetened, it's good, and they're... Yeah.

I'll Google it and then I'll know, but then we'll keep talking first. I would say that the only other... By the way, to go back to Lemonade, there's like that simple... You know how there's like the Simply OJ or whatever, Simple Orange Juice? That brand has Lemonade, that's okay, but I do think I think Newman's King. They leave like the seeds and like bits of the lemon in there and that's the thing I don't love about it. Yeah.

I feel like I'm like I'm pro pulp in OJ terms, but in Lemonade, I kind of want more of a clear concept. I'm anti-pulp in OJ terms. Whoa. Yeah. Pulp-free. Whoa. I feel like with most...

Like I don't like crunchy peanut butter because they leave the nuts in there. Yeah. I feel like that's where I have bits of tomato. If you're a pulp person, hashtag pulp faction. We've done this exact same thing before. It was pulp fiction versus pulp faction? No, we did. We did pulp fiction versus pulp fact, I think.

Oh, shit. Yeah. Well, let's hear it again. All right. Maybe people's opinions have changed. That's true. I guess maybe we should ask what their favorite Lemonade is. Okay.

Lemonade, what is it? Hashtag what? Lemonade King? I don't fucking know. Yeah. Hashtag Lemonade King, I don't fucking know. Hashtag Lemonade was a popular drink and still is. There you go.

So, we were talking about Lemonade. We're talking about Sweet Tea. We got that at Church's Chicken when we went today. That's right. Sweet Tea down south, Texas, where you grew up, can you find anything approaching that? Or is that a thing that's kind of regionally in the south or have you had any success out here? Well, it was a big thing in the south, but I didn't really get into it until I moved

away. Oh, interesting. I would go home and drink tea and my mom would make fun of me for it. She'd be like, oh, you drink tea now? So, LA. I'm like, it's from this area. I don't understand. Right.

But yeah, it wasn't something that we drank in my household growing up. Also, you have a London background, so tea is perfectly fine. Tea? Yes. Like, my family drinks tea, and I think when I started drinking tea myself in high school mom, it's like it's about time, but never with Sweet Tea. Are you a coffee drinker? No.

I sort of hate coffee. Whoa. Because it all tastes the same to me. Interesting. Unless it has a lot of milk in it. You know what? I'm on Team Tea. I mean, it doesn't have to be this or that, and I guess I've been doing that.

You just said you're on Team Tea. I know, I know, I know. I've been doing this since the podcast started, and I apologize. You don't have to take sides, but I'm going to take sides. I'm Team Tea. Like I said, over tea, over coffee. I like tea over coffee. Me too.

I know. We're some of the few, I feel like. I have no beef with tea, but I'm a coffee man through and through. You're like a man who needs coffee. Like I need, like, that's first thing in the morning for me is I need to start brewing some coffee, and I need that within like an hour of waking up or I'm just miserable. I've come to rely on it. It's like a Gilmore girl.

I am like a Gilmore. We talked about this with your buddy, Kevin, from the podcast, we talked about that a little bit, but the presence of coffee in the Gilmore girls universe, which is something I wasn't super aware of, but apparently it's kind of ubiquitous there. Much so. Yeah. No, I absolutely need coffee, but we'd like to hear from you. If you like coffee over tea, hashtag Mr. Coffee, if you like tea over coffee, hashtag Mr.

Tea. Oh, God. I thought you could at least say something other than Mr. Tea. What's wrong with Mr. Tea? I mean, I knew it. We just knew it was coming. So maybe I should have led with Mr. Tea, and then Mr. Coffee would have been like, oh, that's a point of connection.

It's a brand. I should have done that. You know what? I'm going to take that again. We'll edit that first one out. If you out there prefer tea to coffee, hashtag Mr. Tea, if you prefer coffee to tea, hashtag Mr. Coffee. There's no way we're editing that out.

Don't make it seemless. Leave it all seamless. Don't make it seemless. That's insane. No. I'm going to keep talking. I'm going to make a point to keep talking. People want to see how the sausage is made.

Right. By the way. By the way, we don't do that. You don't edit things out. You don't edit things out to make a better dumb haste. No. We constantly will say we're going to edit that out when we don't. Right.

Yeah. I think that's the one, that's like the thing about podcasts is if you hear, we'll edit this out. That is definitely going in the episode. For sure. Because there's just like an expectation that that's the convention of the medium. Let's talk Thanksgiving a little bit. This is our last episode.

We're recording this a little earlier, but this is our last episode before Thanksgiving. We out there, our fans, everyone out there, whether you're Burger Brigade or Spoon Nation, happy Thanksgiving. Yes. Maybe we all sit around the table as friends this Thanksgiving. We're not going to have an episode on Thanksgiving Day, but you guys have more than enough to do with your friends and family, I'm sure, at your various gatherings. But Demi, how do you feel about Thanksgiving in terms of a holiday?

I mean, it wasn't even something you would celebrate as someone who has British parents. It was something we'd celebrate, but it always felt weird. I would see other big families getting together for Thanksgiving, and for us it was like, maybe we'll get a turkey, maybe one set of cousins will come over. But often it was just like, no, we didn't do much. Even now, as I'm older, it's like I don't even go home because I'm going to see them a month later for Christmas. It's become more of a thing that I just celebrate with friends, like I'll have a friend's

giving in LA. I think as I get older, Thanksgiving means more to me because I actually do something and not just go through the emotions of being like, yeah, we'll have a turkey or yeah, we'll get mashed potatoes because it wasn't something my parents seemed to really care about. As a transplant, Thanksgiving always takes the hit as far as the holiday. Like it's the one that always loses out, which bothers me, because I like to be home for it. It's a great holiday to see people. But if you're traveling across the country, it's like to justify that twice in basically a month.

Let's just say there's a little movie made about it. It's called Plain Strains and Automobiles. And it's very accurate on how it feels rushing around at the holidays. I hate traveling. And if I like around that time, I hate it. I like don't want to go home if it's the Thanksgiving week, right? Because Christmas is actually a little bit different. Like sometimes I'll go home like a few days before Christmas or sometimes I'll go home

like a week before or whatever. And I stay at home for Christmas, you know, I go for a long stretch of time. But the Thanksgiving rush is like fucking, it's awful. It's hard enough to get out here for Christmas, but I know I'm going back. Like Thanksgiving is just an insane week when everyone is traveling and it's bad. So I kind of just don't, I don't really bother with it as much anymore. And it's hard to, it's just hard to go home in general. But I do a Friendsgiving.

I think I meet up with friends out here. Yeah, yeah. I've never done a Friendsgiving. Hmm, I wonder why. No, I've only done. Is Thanksgiving just you sitting by a turkey alone? I have a wife. We had, we're, she doesn't leave me hanging out to dry on Thanksgiving.

No, I usually see my extended family. Our families are both in Southern California. So you know, I'll either see my side of the family, her side of the family, things will usually work out that way. Is that like when a, is your like, when your family comes over, is that like when Homer tried to, he brought all the family members over to show Lisa that like they weren't like that they weren't. Oh, well you're, you're referencing the late, the Lisa, the Simpson episode where she, all

the whole, the Simpson men come over and they're all dunderheaded, but all the Simpson women are high achieving. That's right. Do our old like the Weigermen like very robotic weirdos and like are you, do I just sit around the table silently? Different personalities, a bunch of different personality types. Yeah. I have some very demonstrative, I actually, in my immediate family, I have one older

brother and then my parents and I would say like, I'm like the quiet, withdrawn one amongst us. Yeah. My parents are very, How's your family split up? Right. God damn it. No, I don't have a side of my family.

That's the Fogels. It's not a big part of my family tree. The Fogels aren't a big part of your family tree. Even if it was, like, it's not like the entire Jared, all of Jared Fogels like extended family is culpable in his horrific crimes. Like you're implying. If you ask me, I say they are. Like, no, it's not, I'm not going to make that sort of guilt by association claim.

Obviously, that's the Hansons. That's my mom's side of the family is the Hansons. And I had my dad's side of the family is the Weigars. Actually, my parents just recently visited Ellis Island and they saw my great-grandparents' name on the wall at Ellis Island. My dad just texted me a photo. Wait, hold on. Let me find it.

Mart and Tew Weigar. What are they, the ones that weren't led into the country? No. Do not admit. They have a list of all the people they kept out at Ellis Island. Hey, look at that. Yeah, huh? That's crazy.

A little bit history. And then right up between the Wiggins. Yeah. Like there's all these people with real, because my name is terrible. There's a lot of people with real fucked up names in the lake W's. All these people are like, Jesus, you should have changed it at Ellis Island. Wigg Dorts, yeah. Wigg Dorts and Wiggberg and Wiggin.

Yeah. And then there is a Nick Weigun. Yeah, that's the thing that's crazy is that right above, so my parents stem me right there, Mart and Tew Weigar, and then right above them is a Nick Weigun. So just basically my exact name, but with an N instead of an R. Wait, wow. It's how they got the idea. Yeah, exactly.

They saw that, put that file away for three generations, and then my parents eventually used it. Those hacks. Yeah. No, they're from Estonia, and that was, that's my great-grandfather and great-grandmother. Oh, cool. On my dad's side. Yeah.

If I could only go back in time and make sure they weren't admitted, everything would be different. We're also, this podcast isn't a world where either Donald Trump or Hillary is president. Right. I sort of made a, since we've talked, we've already indicated we're recording this advance, I sort of made a strong choice to just assume that Hillary had won in my pre-recorded intro. Oh, okay, yeah. So we'll see.

Maybe that'll be wrong, but I'm not going to change it either way. I'm going to make a strong choice to assume Donald Trump won, and that'll be very confusing. So I'm just going to sound very upset for the rest of this podcast. There's a chance that no one is just even, if Donald Trump won, there's a chance that just no one will listen to this podcast ever again. Right. I'm going to have to just think about the world. Yeah.

Yeah. Feral audio may be shut down by the government. Yeah. We should have a contingency. Edit out everything else and just edit Gary Johnson's name into everything you say. There's also a chance I won as a write-in or something. You know what I would do if I was president? I'd lock up that Fogel family.

Okay. Every single last one of them. I don't know how to extend the Weigers family, so maybe. Oh, yeah. And the Weigers, too. I'd lock them up. Don't lock up my parents and my grandparents. I start with T.U. in whatever her name was.

T.U. and Mark are, they're not with us anymore. I'm sorry. You're going to exhume my relatives' corpses and put them in prison? Yeah. Some sort of horrific show trial? Jesus Christ. Unlock them and then lock them up again. But what were you saying about Thanksgiving?

Because I have an idea. What's your idea? Go for it, please. That Austin's tea brand was Sweet Leaf. Sweet Leaf! I just had to mention it. But it's got a grandma on it. It does have a grandma.

You weren't going crazy. No, it has a grandma on it. I remember the logo and the fact that they have, like, facts on every can. But... What are they? Grandma facts? Or are they, like, teeth? Or are they just, like, Snapple facts?

I think they're like Snapple facts. Oh, okay. I guess there's not too many grandma facts. But my idea for Thanksgiving is that it's Thanksgiving, football is a big part of Thanksgiving. And we've done this a couple times on the show. We've done some drafts. Okay. What if we did a little Thanksgiving draft?

A little Thanksgiving draft. All right. I'm into it. So, Demi, the way we've done this in the past is we'll do snake style, like fantasy sports. And so we give our guests the first pick and we'll just anything on... Here, wait. I have an idea. You go for it, please.

No, you're not going to like it. I can't hear it. Okay. Here's the deal, because I think that you should be able to pick turkey in different preparations. Okay. Yeah. So, turkey legs, white meat, dark meat, it's all its own thing. Okay.

Or are you saying, like, you can pick a baked turkey versus a deep fried turkey? That's also a thing you can do, too. Because otherwise, turkey might just be the number one pick and then it's off the table and that's kind of, like... That's... Yeah. Okay, so... And then ham and then really, like, what is the third person to grab it?

So, feel free to make some specific choices. Yeah. I get what you're saying. Okay, cool. So, Demi, the way this will work is we'll just go around, make your pick, and then we'll just cycle through snake style, right? So, like... Like, she...

Do you want to go second or third? I'll go second. Okay. I'll let you go. I'll go third. I'll get two picks in a row. Okay, fuck. All right.

God. All right, Demi. So, the... All of Thanksgiving, that entire cornucopia is in front of you. What is your first pick in the Doughboys Thanksgiving Draft? I gotta go garlic mashed potatoes first. Wow. Garlic mashed potatoes, number one pick.

Wow, right off the bat. Crazy. All right, go ahead, Mitch. So, I get first pick. You get second pick. Second pick. Second pick. All right, I'm sorry.

Roast... I'm taking the roast turkey. Roast turkey. Yeah. I was gonna... I thought you were gonna take that, so I was gonna go... Okay. But I won't say what I was gonna do.

Okay. Okay. Second pick. And the Doughboys Thanksgiving Draft, Nick Weiger selects gravy. What? Wait, you can choose the whole side. Yeah. I think...

I feel like... It used to be his favorite food. I love gravy. I should have seen that coming. Truly his favorite food. That was gravy. All right. And I pick again with my fourth pick.

Oh, God. The fourth pick. And the Doughboys Thanksgiving Draft, Nick Weiger selects ham. Ham. I'm going with ham as my protein. That was gonna be mine. With my second pick, in the Thanksgiving Day Draft, I select stuffing. Stuffing's a good one.

Stuffing is off the board. You know, the thing about stuffing is there are some different variants. Like, are you... Are you a cornbread stuffing man? Are you just like a traditional? Stuffing is off the fucking board. Okay. All right.

I pick two picks in a row now. For my second pick, in the Doughboys Thanksgiving Draft, Demi did you give me a pick? Cranberry sauce. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I can't even think of any more. Oh, wait. No, like...

You do not have a protein currently, I will tell you. That is true. Mitch is taking roast turkey, but other turkeys, up for grabs. What other turkeys even are there? There's deep fried turkey. And then you get to do dark meat or white meat. See, like a turkey leg? Wait, I think if you take all of roast turkey though, that encompasses white and dark meat,

right? All right, yeah. You can only do deep fried turkey, I guess. Okay. What kind of turkey do they have at Disneyland? Oh, the big old turkey leg. The turkey legs. I'll allow it.

I'll allow big old turkey leg. Great. Then for my third pick, Demi did you give me a selects, big old turkey leg, specifically Disneyland, big old turkey leg. So you guys are both having Thanksgiving. Your protein's out, by the way. You have ham, and Demi has turkey legs from Disney. Right.

I'm the only person who has a real Thanksgiving. Well, my Thanksgiving's real, it just costs a lot, because you've got to get into the park for like 300 bucks, and then another 10 to get the turkey leg. Yeah, you've got to transport those out and keep them from getting to... You've got to put them on ice or something. Right. Yeah. Or you're having Thanksgiving in Anaheim.

With my third pick, in the Doughboy's Thanksgiving draft, I'm going to choose... Oh, shit, this is tough. Is garlic... Does garlic mashed potatoes cover mashed potatoes? I'm going to allow Demi to determine this one. I think no, because I was very specific about saying garlic. I'm going to choose regular mashed potatoes. Okay.

You've got a very traditional lineup, right? I have a traditional lineup, but I think you win with the traditional lineup. Yeah, it might be. I mean, it's certainly going to please the crowds, the people who expect conventions. I feel like there's one that is very surprising we haven't selected yet. Okay. Well, I got... Don't tell us, because...

I got my picks. We'll miss it, I'm sure. I'm sure someone will. Oh. And we've got... I've got two now, so that'll take us through. I think we'll do four rounds total. So, I'll do my two picks.

Then you guys will have one more pick a piece, and then we'll have our full lineups. Right? That'll be good? Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, great. With my next pick, and the Doughboys, Thanksgiving Draft, forget where we are, numerically, exactly, I select macaroni and cheese. Yeah, you can have it.

I'm just realizing I went with gravy up top, and then what am I going to put gravy on? I kind of fucked up with the gravy. All right, I'm going to say gravy I took as a strategic pick to lock you guys out of having gravy. I'm fine with that. All right, so... I'm going to pick brown V. Wait, is macaroni and cheese one?

One item. Yeah, macaroni and cheese, the dish. The final pick, my final pick, and the Doughboys Thanksgiving Draft, Nick Weigher selects pie. What? Yeah, hold on. What the fuck? I get more specific.

I get more specific. Yeah, fuck you. All right, okay. Apple pie. Apple pie? I like it better than pumpkin pie. What other pies do you have at Thanksgiving? It's just apple and pumpkin, right?

Here we go. Apple pie. Apple pie? I like it better than pumpkin pie. What other pies do you have at Thanksgiving? It's just apple and pumpkin, right? Here's my issue. We don't even have to...

We could just say, like, I'm going to get a hamburger. That's true. That's just getting related. That's true. I want to make a trade with you, and I'm going to set it up right now. Okay. Ooh. I want that gravy.

Okay. What would you like that's on the board still for the trade for the gravy? Wait, you're going to draft something and then take my... No, I want something in your current lineup. I'll trade you gravy for stuffing straight up. No fucking way. I don't know what to tell you then. I'm not going to trade it for a future draft, Vic.

Okay. No. I choose, as my final pick, Aju. Ooh. Okay. Found a little loophole. It's going to go great with that oven roasted turkey. All right, Demi, you're up.

For my final pick, I really wanted to just fuck with you guys and go, like, I pick plates or something. We are table freaks. I'm going to go pumpkin pie. That's a good one. I don't love it, but it is still a good pie. It's nice to have a sweet treat. Yeah.

Especially after all the garlic mashed potatoes in Disneyland Turkey. Yours actually seems maybe more like a meal than yours do. Yeah, I think it's the most complete lineup. Do we pick a bench player really quick or what? Yeah, let's do one more quick round. All right, Demi, go ahead. One more pick. Oh, boy.

Oh, fried okra. Oh, good pick. Good pick. That's fun. Go ahead, Mitch. I'm going to pick apple crisp. Apple crisp? No, what is it called?

Apple. You know the apple dessert? Cobbler? Apple cobbler. Cobbler? Yeah. As a dessert. What are you getting mad at?

Oh, it's fine. I feel like it's kind of like it's so adjacent to apple pie. I feel like it's kind of encompassed into the apple pie roll. Yeah, but it's kind of better. No, it's not better than apple pie. I think apple cobbler is better than pie. Cobbler better than pie? He is better than apple pie.

Give me a break. I feel like cobbler is pie that someone didn't make fully. Yeah. Cobbler is better than pie. No. Ooh. That's a... It's you think cobbler is better than pie.

It's great at the show with the hashtag cobble. Cobble cobble. Turkey cobble. No, I don't know. All right. One pick left. I'm really not sure what direction to go here. I feel like you've gotten mad at me at least.

I've made a lot of mistakes with it. I've mad at myself. You're sad that you messed up the Thanksgiving dough boys' wrap too. Wait, did you have a bench pick? I'm about to make my bench pick right now. And I think I've done poorly. I'm going in a weird direction. Not a weird direction.

I'm going in a different direction. I'm going with something that's not even necessarily a personal favorite of mine, but one that I think kind of completes the lineup. Green bean casserole. Oh, fuck. Oh, I forgot about green bean casserole. I think we all forgot about vegetables in general. Mitch, I'll tell you what.

Wow. I'll give you green bean casserole in exchange for apple cobbler. I'm going to double down on apple dessert. Here's the... I will trade you green bean casserole and gravy for apple cobbler and au jus. You have. No deal. No deal?

Why not? Are you crazy? Not on what gravy? I don't want a jus. What do I do with au jus? You don't need the gravy. What are you using gravy for? Yeah, but I can keep you from having gravy.

That's some sort of satisfaction for me. But you're going to spoon gravy into your mouth? I don't know. I'll pour it down the sink and just know you're not going to have any. A penny drop. Okay, what the fuck? I will take a quick break or we'll be right back with the War of Doe Boys. Welcome back to Doe Boys.

So let's talk church's chicken. So Demi, you pitched us a few different options. What about churches made it want to be a chain you wanted to discuss today? Well, firstly, I was just trying to think of chain restaurants that I knew very well and was like very familiar with growing up at least. So I'd have like a good story or something to tell. And I couldn't think of anyone that was accessible. My first pick was water burger, but there are none outside of Texas.

I think there's one in Oklahoma. Water burger? Oh, water burger. Water burger, not water burger. That's why I heard water burger. I obviously misheard. Well, you should have thought for like two seconds that that would never exist. Jesus Christ.

Water burgers are just wet patties. It's a flawed concept. I was thinking to other things that I had experienced a lot in Texas and I thought of church's chicken. And I was like, well, those probably don't exist outside of Texas. Come to find they, I think they exist nationwide. But they definitely are in LA. So I was surprised to see that. And then I was like, well, I haven't had that in three years.

But I remember the biscuits being great. And I remember thinking that better than Popeyes, Popeyes better than KFC for sure. But I was also just like, I think churches has the best chicken. Better than Popeyes is a bold statement. I'll have to think on that a little bit. I really love Popeyes chicken. I think it's really good. Popeyes is good.

Popeyes is really good. So I had churches. I told this when I was a PA. I was working down in South LA. And I had churches like my first year I was out here. And I had a sense. And I remember it being okay, but I wasn't blown away or anything by it at that point. But now, because I haven't been to KFC in like 10 years.

Right. I haven't been to KFC in a long time, I feel like. Maybe I've had a little bit of someone's mashed potatoes when they've gotten KFC, but I haven't had KFC in a long time. And I was really surprised by both churches and Popeyes. I really like Popeyes. And churches really, it did it for me today. I was pleasantly surprised.

I thought it was an LA-based chain. I thought it was only in LA when I came out here. You thought churches was? Yeah, I had no idea. Oh, wow. Yeah, I had never heard of it before. And then, you know, Kendrick Lamar sings about it at one point on his album. But I never, like, I don't hear much.

I don't even feel like people talk about churches that much. I don't think they do. Yeah. And I think it's like this little place of people that has like a huge following of people who love it. But it's not really in the zeitgeist. It's not in the zeitgeist at all, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, because I certainly remember it from Lakewood, California.

I remember there were definitely churches around. Churches, Popeyes, and Pioneer, in addition to KFC, were the, I don't know if Pioneer's around anymore. There was a Pioneer in LA and it closed and it's something else now. But that was when it had like a big chicken sign, like it had a big chicken sign outside. That's not it. It's not particularly specific. How big is the chicken sign?

It was like just like a round, I remember as opposed to the KFC bucket. You had the Popeyes, which isn't, it's Popeye, but also not Popeye. It's just the association with Popeye in a non-trademark infringement sense. And then churches, I just remember, it doesn't really necessarily have like a, it has a distinct logo, but not like a mascot. Right. And it's weird because the logo for the one in Pasadena is different from the one I've known my entire life.

Okay. Yeah. I wonder which branding is current. It does have bad branding. I gotta say churches has bad branding because I'm like, okay, like there's the Colonel or whatever. And it's like, he's some Southern Kentucky man who makes the chicken. Popeyes was like, it was Popeye for a little bit.

And then they, they rebranded it. And now they're Louisiana, Louisiana fast. Is it? Louisiana fast. I think I, I'm like, okay, I get it. It's like a New Orleans kind of spicy fried chicken. They've actually done a great job of that from a marketing standpoint. Popeyes like reconfiguring in the past decade to be Popeyes, Louisiana kitchen and really

just making that very clear. I think they've, they've done that very effective. I think they've, I think that's like one of the best restaurant makeovers. I think it's up there with Domino's admitting that their pizza sucks. Like, like really, I feel, I feel like it's that sort of thing of like, like, I feel like people respect Popeyes more than they did churches. There's just nothing. I'm like, is it like in like, as in like a church, is it like a religious sort of thing?

Like what is the deal? I don't understand what the deal. The marketing is so bad that I didn't know it was here and I loved it growing up. I think Popeyes was especially helped by the addition of like shrimp and po-boy stuff to their menu to be like, it's not just chicken. It's all Cajun-ish. Yeah. And with, and with churches, I didn't even really understand what their menu was even

until we, like, I knew that there was chicken, of course, but like, cause it's church's chicken. But I'm like, when we got in there today, I was like, oh, fried okras on the menu and things like that. I didn't realize that that's like the type of stuff that was on that menu. You know, apparently the churches comes from, it's the guy's name, like the founder's last name was church. So it's church's chicken. And I guess when they're expanding internationally, they had an issue in Myanmar where there's

a lot of anti-Christian bias and they saw a place called churches and they're like, oh, we won't stand for this. And then, but then they had had to be explained through the marketing that like, no, it's not church as in a Christian place of worship, it's churches in a man's name. And then they came around to it. And where was this? Myanmar. Myanmar.

Also known as Burma at some point. It's crazy to me that churches could be in Myanmar because, again, in my head, I was just like, oh, this is just a local joint in my hometown, but I just didn't realize that it was everywhere. That's how I feel too. It's like the one place that is like, it's like, you're like, have to go out of your way to get churches and then also it's in Myanmar. I'm like, what the fuck?

The marketing is not great. One thing I've learned from doing this podcast is anytime I do some sort of research into any of these chains, basically every single chain that has ever existed has a franchise in Kuwait for whatever reason. They're all in Kuwait. Are you ready for? Kuwait. Doe Boy's Abroad when we go to Kuwait.

And just eat at the same places we've eaten here. Just Tailgate on a USO tour. Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that's what it is. There's so many US service members there that they have all these US chain restaurants whether on bases or just in the cities, but there's enough Americans around where there's that craving and then also just that sort of cultural association.

Man, Doe Boy's Kuwait. I wonder if we have any Kuwait listeners. I mean, there's no chance on earth that we do. If you're a listener in Kuwait, tweet at them with the hashtag Kevin Kuwait. Let's talk about our church's meal a little bit. I hope that there is the man in Kuwait who listens to us. The name is Kevin Kuwait. Yeah.

Kevin Kuwait. It's Kevin James. Let's talk about our trip to churches today. So we all gathered together at the Pasadena location, sort of triangulated from where we were going to the location closest to the studio. And we got the nine piece meal. I ordered the, we decided that we were going to collab on a family meal and just sort of take down a four person family meal.

You really quarterbacked that whole thing, Weiger. I was surprised. Well, look, I think... I said, I'm going to get, like, you know, I was starting to make up my mind when I got here. And you said, hold the phone. I'm fucking taking over. And you told us we were getting a family meal.

You told me and Demi to go sit down. You said, go sit down, you little brat. See, it's not how it went down. I went to grab for a regular chair and he's like, no, the high chair. Yeah, Demi and I were eating in the high chairs the entire time, which is embarrassing. You're mischaracterizing what was a collaborative process. And then you spoon fed us all over. Well, you're the spoon man.

I said, I'm not a baby. I'm the spoon man. And then you started feeding me with a spoon. I said, not the mama. Right. And I knocked you over there with a pan. I remember all of this. All right.

So we got the family meal. I ordered the... You got the family meal. We got the family meal together. That's what we had. You got it. But there was no dissent from you saying you wanted something different and I had my way. That's not what happened.

You at least asked us what sides we were into, I'll say that. I feel like it was like we discussed and we settled on, this was the best plan for the three of us. Was it we get to try a few different things, it was the most cost-efficient way? Why are you so annoyed today? Haven't you realized that this podcast is annoying? I'm going to annoy you during it? Has that not like...

You might have had more say in it if you were on time. There you go. Demi, goddammit. You taking his side? I'm not taking any sides. I'm the diplomat here. Listen, this is the truth. My cat, Irma, she got spayed and my cat, Wally, was crying all last night because I have

to keep him separated. I put him in another room. So last night I said, I'll let him sleep with me, I'll put Irma, because she doesn't care. She'll just go and sit down in a spot and be fine. And I let Wally sleep with me. He was a terror. He fucked up my entire...

Like he was running all over the place and he actually... I don't know where Irma's medicine is. I told Weigur this. He actually like... Because I saw him doing her earlier in the day, he was picking stuff up out of the trash basically with his teeth and then just putting it on the ground in front of me. And he has picked up Irma's medicine. She's got some pain medicine.

She's got some pain medicine. I don't know where it is. Like he's hidden it. And that's why I was running around my house looking for this pain medication for my poor cat Irma. I go home and look for it again, but I have no idea where it is. Wally has hidden it somewhere. That's like high level abusive behavior.

If you really wanted to fuck with someone, you hid their medication that they needed. That's the kind of thing you'd hear, like, oh my God, what a monster. And it's my cat. And your cat's doing it. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I don't know what to...

It's really fucked up. It's probably in a big pile with a bunch of other tax documents and boxes. My guess is that Wally didn't know what it was. Wally just saw that it was, like, toy-sized and just decided to play her out with it. Yeah, of course. Wally's not intellectualizing the idea of pain medication. No, that's insane. That you think that Wally is, like, being mean to me and the other cat?

I do like the idea that he'll just wait until the cat is full, like, very much in pain and then just come back with it and lay it down to him. You're welcome. Right. Like, remember who really runs this? You're lying to me now. So we got the... I ordered the ten-piece meal and the woman behind the counter was very helpful.

She guided us towards the nine-piece meal, which was $7 cheaper, and you still also got two sides and four biscuits. So we... You're basically... It's kind of a crazy quirk of the menu that is basically another, like, $8 just to get one more piece of chicken. Right. I just want to clear up that they were firm biscuits.

What? In case people thought that they were limp. Oh, my God. You had to look on your face the entire time, because I was also like, what's happening? And then you said firm biscuits and I was like, I'm lost. So I looked at your face and it was like, oh, there's a punchline coming. And it was a delight. Yeah.

A punchline. I'm putting air quotes around. This really should be a video podcast. You had such a shit-eating grin. Just the fucking shit-eatingest grin that's ever been shit-eating grinned. That's also...that's like pissing of vinegar, shit-eating grin. Right. What's that all about?

Another flavor of Newman's. Paul just smiling ear to ear, while with shitty looking teeth, shit all over his teeth. That's what he wanted to be on the bottle original. They had to photoshop it out. So it comes with the four biscuits, the two large sides, nine pieces of chicken. We got a spicy and regular split. And our sides were the fried okra, the mashed potatoes and gravy. Also tacked on some jalapeno poppers, in order of three of those, and we each got a sweet

tea. Let's start with the chicken. Demi, you've like, church is the place you go. How regularly would you go when you were a kid, when you were younger? It was...so it would be a thing that like, if we were in the area and it was very close to our house and we were hungry, we would go, but it was also just attached to a gas station. Okay. So the next time we went to the gas station, it would also just be like, well, I'm going

to go to churches anyway. Right. Yeah. So it was a pretty frequent thing for you. Pretty frequent. Was this chicken? And my understanding is that you also went yesterday on your own to this same church. That's right.

When I found out that it was so close to me, I was like, I'm going to go just so I can try different things, but I tried the same thing today. Was this the location that you live around Pasadena? I live in Los Feliz, but I'm just going to be in Pasadena anyway. Okay, cool. And can you also just state your address for the listeners? Three? Nine?

That was the beginning. I couldn't even make up fake numbers. So did the chicken bring, was that like the chicken you remembered from when you were a kid? I don't know, because I don't feel like the chicken was the thing I so strongly remembered when I was a kid. Right. I just, I had strong feelings about KFC's chicken because I hated it and I always thought

it was like too, like crispy and too sharp. And I was constantly surprised that Popeyes and churches were not as popular as KFC was. But I think the biscuits were always the big thing for me because those are phenomenal. But the chicken itself is also so good that eating it yesterday, I was like, I could eat maybe five of these before I'd really get sick of them. Yeah. I mean, it's great fried chicken and it's really, really good. It's tops.

I got a question for you guys. So if we got the split of regular and spicy, what was your favorite of the two? Did you like the spicy? Because you know, like, I love the fact that, like, I love, I like spicy rub. Yeah. And like too often I feel like it's like buffalo style or something. Yeah, you're adding like a sauce. Yeah.

I really appreciate that. And I don't know if this is like a thing that's been going on forever with churches and with Popeyes, but this is the two places I kind of encountered and I know that KFC does do it now. But like that spicy rub. The spicy blend. The spicy blend is great. And I think for me, that was the winner of the two styles, but I don't know how you

guys felt. It actually felt like the regular, the non-spicy, though just the regular fried chicken, was maybe a little bit fresher and it felt like a little bit, but I liked the taste of the spicy blend better. Right. I definitely will prefer the hot to the regular, but I agree with what you were saying of just like in terms of this individual batch, I probably enjoyed my regular pieces more because it was just more fresh out of the fryer and I feel like the spicy that we had had been

sitting there for a little while and it dried out a little bit, but yeah, I love that spicy kick. How about you, Demi? You a heat guy? I am not generally a heat guy, but I like when it's something like hot chicken or something, I really enjoy the flavor that it gives. But with this one in particular, I feel like it was sort of unfair the way I ate it because I ate two pieces of the regular first and then I made my way through a bunch of the

sides and then I came back to the hot when I was ready kind of full, so I didn't give it the full chance, but I still think it was superior in taste, but definitely not like it was so much easier and more delightful to eat the regular, but I think it's just a control group for chicken. Right. Yeah. I think just like in terms of the fried chicken, like it's crisp, it's super flavorable, like both sides are both kinds are very well, very juicy, very well seasoned, yeah, like

just a lot of flavor and particularly the dark meat is like super juicy, juicy. It's just, it's so good, like it's just very, very satisfying. Well, just thinking about it, I was like, I like the spicy chicken, but I also liked to have a regular, like I wouldn't want the spicy without the regular, like I like the mix of the two. Right. That's, it was great, it was great to have, it was great to have, choose from both of them. I think you're right.

Yeah. Shout out to the servers of the Pasadena Church's Chicken for being so accommodating in terms of giving us that mixed blend. And then we got the two large sides, the fried okra, which was a one that you pointed us towards, Demi. What do you think of their okra there? Their okra is fantastic. Yeah.

I think, I don't know how many fast food places do okra, but anytime I see it anywhere, it's something that I go for, because I think it's something you can't really fuck up. Right. And it's always just tastes good. We used to, because my parents are Nigerian, we would eat like pounded yam with okra and like it'd be the sort of stew okra. And I think I was always sort of iffy on that, but then when it's like fried and breaded and like seasoned, it tastes very, very good.

So I got really into the fried okra and then I would go back and eat the stew and I'd be like, okay, I get why it tastes good now. Yeah. So I've always loved fried okra, but churches in particular does it very well. Right. Yeah. It's not something you see a lot, but, and the other, the other way I've had okra. I got bad news for you.

Where you say? I don't like fried okra. In fact, I'm putting it in boring food jail. What? Along with a grits, which are boring to me. Grits and okra are two southern style foods that are just kind of boring to me. I can't, I feel bad, but I got to toss them and frying a boring food gel and sweet tea maybe even goes in there for me.

Come on. This is your New Englander Yankee superiority complex. Yeah. Hold on a second. Don't break this down. I have a lobster instead. Right. Yeah.

Blue blood. There are plenty of New England things that I think are bad, too. Well, I can't really, I mean. Named one. Fuck New Hampshire, all of New Hampshire. Those idiots. All right. So New Hampshire and grits equal size.

Grits are great. You got to, like, have some cheese grits, have something with a little, have some shrimp and grits. I got to go, I got, I will go to, I'm going to try, I'm going to try grits. If we go, if we ever go down the road, I will try some grits. If you went to the place I went to Charleston, Nellie and I went to, in twice, Hominie Grill, and you got their shrimp and grits, your mind would be blown. You'd be like, this is fantastic.

Okra is just kind of boring, though. Like when we were eating today, I was like, I just couldn't, there was nothing. I was like, I would rather these be onion rings or anything. You know what I mean? Like there was no. It's a little, like it's a little boring, but as a baseline ingredient, it works because, like, you know, you can apply the breading. It's mutable to different types of preparation.

The other preparation I like, I've had it as an Indian dish sometimes, and just like it's more stewed and spiced, and it's really, really yummy. Like I don't know. I'm an Okra fan. I definitely like that version. It's like cabbage. Cabbage goes into the boring food club, too. But cabbage is flexible.

You can do lots of stuff with cabbage. I like corned beef and cabbage. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, you can use a little. Maybe I have to eat Okra with something, but right now, it's in fucking boring food jail. Well. And you got to break it out if you want me to have it ever.

I just... I'm going to hatch a caper. I'm going to hatch an Ocean's Eleven style caper to bust open your boring food jail. You capers belong in food jail. Capers belong in solitary confinement in food jail. Capers are not good. Capers are great. No, they are not.

I couldn't tell you what a caper tastes like. I don't think I like them. It tastes like them. Fucking shit. It sucks. It doesn't taste like shit. So that's what Paul Newman was eating. Capers are not good.

So you didn't even like the fried Okra today. There wasn't anything that was working for you. I didn't...I had like...I popped like four or five of them and I just...it needed something else to me. Just...and let me say that I very much enjoyed our meal. And from my one experience, I had no idea if I was going to like this place. I didn't know the quality of the food. It does seem like a lower rent fast food place, right?

Like it seems kind of like...I think that is... It's budget friendly. It's budget friendly. But I also...I think it specifically is...I think it is like economically...like I feel like there is like that kind of feeling to it where it feels like it's for lower income areas. Yeah. I think when I saw the map of where the churches were, I was very confused that they were all

around L.A. and not necessarily in L.A. proper and then we got to the Pasadena when I was kind of like, oh, I guess it is sort of a...in my...I mean, in my hometown, I was connected to a gas station but I never thought of it as that. Yeah. But yeah, I guess it is sort of like a not...I don't want to say budget friendly or lower income but it's like...it's not expensive. Yes. Which is great.

Yeah. If you're a working class guy or girl trying to feed your family, it's a cost conscious option. Right. Yeah. I actually...I think I used to think of...I'm trying to think of other fast food restaurants I felt like were this way. I feel like Burger King can swing both ways but...

Yeah, definitely. But this was...it does feel like it's in, you know, like a... But it's not like the cheapest like fast food option out there. Like you can eat for less money at a Taco Bell or a McDonald's but those Taco Bells and McDonald's are everywhere. Yes, but I think the difference is that like you get these big family meals for not like... because what was this? It was like 20 bucks.

This was $20. You really got an entire family. Yeah. You really got a lot of food for that amount of money. All three of us were very full. Yeah. Yes. It was intense.

We also had the mashed potatoes and gravy. Any thoughts on the mashed potatoes and gravy from the room? I thought they were great. I thought they were fantastic. Yeah. They're really good. Yeah. It's...I like that you get the, you know, because the...as versus the KFC where you

get two separate containers and it's up to you to do some mixing and sometimes it's a little awkward depending on how you're eating it. You get the one container that's got the mashed potatoes and then the right proportion of gravy added in. Just gonna pull that. It was good all the way down to the bottom. Yeah, it soaks through. They did a good job.

It works out really well. Yeah. Those are...those are delicious. Maybe...I think better...they tasted less processed than KFC. I haven't had KFC in a long time. Same. So I...I gotta go back. But...

They definitely have a little texture to them. Yeah. Those mashed potatoes that are like whipped so finely that they're just like a puree and these ones have a little bit more of that potato-y, you know, grain and grit to them. Yeah. And I will say this. I mean, earlier I said like the biscuits and gravy. I did dip my biscuit into the mashed potatoes and the biscuit is so good on its own that

it doesn't even matter but I was enjoying myself dipping it into the...into the mashed potatoes and gravy. You should have done that. Yeah. It was...it was...it was good. But I will say that those biscuits on their own, you're...you hit the nail on the head. They're so good. They're so moist.

Right. They're just...those biscuits are just...and there's like...they're honey glazed, right? Or something? Oh, fuck. They're fucking...they're so good. They're really good. They're fantastic. But I feel like they're also a trick, like in the sense that they just make okay biscuits

and they brush them with honey and I'm just like, I...you did it. I love them more now. But... Yeah. I mean, they're...they're really good. They're like kind of the...and Mitch is complained about the cheddar bay biscuits in terms of like he wants like a little butter or something for them sometimes. I was not an issue with these guys.

Yeah. Not an issue with them. Like these you can just bite into. And I really like the biscuit that you can just like...you don't have to split open. You don't have to do anything too. It's just like ready to go. Yeah. The perfect...you know, just the right...the right height.

You know what I mean? Right. Like it was like just perfectly thick enough where it wasn't too thin and it wasn't too thick. It's great. Yeah. When you get those...those biscuits, they're like a little overcooked. They're like a little cakey and they kind of like lose that moistness.

Like that's not great. But these are...these are...yeah, they have like the nice amount of moisture. I'm remembering something from high school now. My friend John Sevee's little...no, this is like...I'm just like having this memory of you talking about dipping biscuits. Why are you treating this like therapy? This isn't like a flashback to some trauma or something like this. This is just like a very specific thing.

I'm remembering my friend John Sevee's little brother Greg Sevee had a thing he would say. And I don't know if it was from anything, but he would say, stop you up like a biscuit. It's like...like in a...but in like a threatening sense, like I'm going to stop you up like a biscuit. Oh, I thought it was like a sexual sense at first. No, it wasn't a sexual thing at all. It's like, it's like, you know, like I'm gonna...like the way you might take a biscuit to drag across what's left on your plate and then put it into your mouth, that's what I'm going

to do to you. Huh. There's only one way to figure it out. We got to use it...I got to use it on a girl and then use it in a fight. See where it works better. What if the girl thinks you're threatening her and the person you're fighting is like, are you coming on? Well, either way, it sounds like one of them will work out.

Um, we also had the jalapeno poppers. I thought those were fine. Nothing extraordinary. They were fine. A little bit of heat, too. I like it better than the okra, personally, but there are no dip and sauce. Give me a little dip and sauce. Give me a little dip and sauce.

It's something to dip them in. But you know what? Also, I think we could ask for dip and sauce. I don't know if they have any. Yeah. No, we very easily probably could have been like, do you have ranch? Because I'm sure they have ranch. Everyone has ranch.

Everyone has ranch. And they have chicken strips, so I'm sure they have ranch. But I think the expectation, if you order jalapeno poppers, is you're gonna get a little bit of a dip and sauce. Yeah. Like, I feel like that's, like, it's just kind of a given. Even at a place like Arby's, where they do something very strange, and they give you that Bronco Berry dip and sauce, they still give you a dipping sauce.

Yeah, Arby's jalapeno poppers come with Bronco Berry dip and sauce. What is Bronco Berry? It's like a sweet, not quite raspberry, not quite blackberry. Made of horses. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird horse meat jam. Um, no, it's very, it's weird.

But it is weird. And it doesn't really work. But it doesn't really work. But you appreciate it. Right. Yeah, you know what? I actually almost appreciated not having dipping sauces because, like, it wouldn't have gone with the meal.

Like, I didn't want marinara. Like, the only thing we could have gotten that would work is ranch. Right. And we didn't get it. And that's whatever. We could have asked for some, but it's okay. I think you're right. Maybe they should just, they should just automatically throw you aside.

Give it a little sigh. Who are you gonna hurt? I generally don't like jalapeno poppers because I don't like cheese, which I know is a very weird thing to like. But I... Demi, what on earth? I know. This is just coming out now?

I was like, when he said macaroni and cheese, I'm like, oh, are they gonna ask me if I like cheese? And then I was like, I'll save it. But no, I don't like cheese very much. There's no cheese. Like, nothing in particular feels to do with pizza. I'll do it. Okay.

With certain, like, I don't like cheeseburgers. I don't like cheese fries or anything like that. Is that a... Does that come... Don't British people not eat cheese as much? No, I think they do. Well, there's like clotted cream. Okay.

That's a thing. My sister likes cheese, although she was born in Texas, but I just growing up, I decided very quickly. I was like, no, I don't think I like this. Do you like cream cheese? Or no? No. Here's my question.

Does it generalize to dairy and... Like, at large? No, although I don't like milk either, but I love ice cream. I'll put butter and things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just...

Ice cream's the best. Cheese. Cheese is like maybe my favorite food. Yeah, I love cheese. I like cheese all the time. My girlfriend is vegan and she's like, the one thing I miss is cheese. And I was like, neither of us eat cheese now, but it's, yeah. If you out there don't like cheese, use the hashtag, not a mouse.

Oh, my God. A little bit of punch up? Yeah. What about... Cut the cheese. All right. Hashtag, hashtag, cut the cheese. And if you do like cheese, hashtag, I am a mouse.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. And then our sweet tea, perfectly functional. Nothing extraordinary. But give me just a flavored tea. Give me a lemon iced tea. You really don't like just the regular sweet tea, just the sweet tea with a little bit of sugar?

Sweet tea is kind of like meh. I drink it, I just say meh. I really like sweet tea when it is tea with a little bit of sugar, but sometimes lately I've tasted tea and it's just so, like it's so, so sweet and I just kind of want, I want like lightly sweetened tea, which is why I like that pure leaf stuff, because it does feel like lightly sweetened. Yeah. The restaurant wins the tingle award for my extremities that are now tingling from either

the salt or all the sugar from the sweet tea. Not good. Not good. It will be okay. Or I'll die and Weiger and I will both be happy. And the last thing I would hurt is your hashtag, not a mouse. All right. Let's get to our final thoughts on Church's Chicken.

So here's how this will work, Demi. We'll each go around, we'll say sort of our closing argument about the chain based on our collected experiences there and then give it a rating on the order of one to five forks. So we'll start with you. All right. I think as far as chicken restaurants go, Church's is one of the best. I really think it's better than KFC and Popeye's. I think their chicken is incredible, mostly functional, but it's still very good chicken.

I think the breading around it is always tops. I think the meat itself is great. I think the biscuits are like unparalleled to anything I've ever, any sort of biscuit of its kind. And I think the sides, like I don't, we didn't get the fries today, but I got the fries yesterday and they're very good. They're that kind of crinkle cut ones where it's not like, like McDonald's fries where they're all straight.

And then you have the crinkle cut ones, which are sort of like the ones that you see in like or Ida and like the frozen food aisles, but they do them better somehow. And then the okra is really good and it's salty, but it's not necessarily too salty. So I'm going to give it five forks. Wow. Five forks. I really, really like Church's. Go ahead, Mitch.

For me, you know, there are these places, and like I said, I visited this, you know, I was a PA and I was actually, it was in Compton and it was, so it was kind of like outside of LA. It wasn't in the greater LA area. So it was my kind of one experience when I was working on some shitty, shitty movie that probably was never seen by anyone. And I got it and I said, this isn't bad, you know. Was this a place where your boss asked you for sexual favors at a different job?

We should have not. I thought we do talk about this on the podcast, but we're didn't know it was it was it was a different job. Okay. You just caught me off guard. Oh, sorry. Um, no, I thought for a second, my boss asked me for a job blow job when I was just in his house cleaning.

Right. Okay. Yeah. No, it wasn't a film. One of his one of his films. Okay. Great. What was the name?

I could have sworn you talked about Steven Spielberg. Oh my God. No, no, I did talk about how my boss asked me for a blow job. I thought you had before. That's like serious or was it? I mean, yeah, he wanted a blow job and I gave it to him. Anyways, um, uh, there's a part of me that's just like, I feel like this is a scenario in which I'm supposed to speak out.

No, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, yeah, it was a weird, it was a weird thing, but it was, this was, this was shortly after that. Okay. I didn't know much about churches. Uh, like I said, Kendrick Lamar, he, he name drops it in one of his albums. Uh, it, it, to me, it seemed like, like another place that kind of seems like a, like a kind of a lower income fast food place is Yoshinoya and, and, and, and, and it's like, oh, it's like one of the, like, and I kind of like always, even though I had it and I thought

it was okay, like I always kind of equated it to Yoshinoya. And then today, going back there, I was very, very pleasantly surprised. I thought it was really, really good to the point where I'm like, I really liked Popeyes and I really have, I really liked churches. I wonder how I'm going to feel about KFC. Like, is KFC the worst one? Like, yes, that's going to blow my mind. That's, that's crazy to me.

If that, if, if KFC is the worst one, it's the worst one. I'll tell you that right now, that's, that's, that's crazy to me. Cause I, cause I, I loved the biscuits. I really enjoyed the mashed potatoes and gravy. I think the mashed potatoes and gravy are better than KFC's mashed potatoes and gravies, at least now, like the, the, the, from the, what I can remember of tasting them, I thought they were a little too much like paste. Um, the biscuits are definitely better than KFC's biscuits.

And the chicken was really, really, really well done today. And, and, and I, I really enjoyed myself. I was eating that meal. I was thinking this while I was eating that meal. I was eating that meal and I was like, I'm happy. I was happy. I was eating the meal. I was very happy to be sitting there eating that food and enjoying myself.

And I, I was just in a very happy mood and it was in, in, in the, the, I mean, I was a good company, of course, but the food, I mean, you pointed at Debbie, not me. Yes. Yes. Good company with Debbie, but the, the, the, the food definitely, uh, I definitely helped that situation. I got there all stressed out because Wally had hid some medicine and, and I was

having a stressful day. And then this, it really just, it hit the spot. I put a smile on my face. I get, I gotta go for forks. I was really, I was very happy. Very good score. Very good score. Speaking of Yoshinoya, have you been to Yoshinoya?

We've done Yoshinoya. We did. We've been with Jensen Karp. Um, I had a, I had a very bad experience that, you know, I mean, every time I've been to Yoshinoya has been like, not a great experience, but this last time was particularly bad. I was nicer to her. I think I said, you were a little nicer.

Yours wasn't, yeah, but I mean, I think comparing church's chicken to Yoshinoya is, I get what you're saying, but I think it's pretty unfair because the quality of food at church's chicken is so much better. Can I just quickly say, yeah, they gotta, they gotta reinvent themselves a little bit though. That's my one takeaway from it. I mean, or not, I guess it works for them. You know what I mean?

Like if they have their, if they have their, you know, their, their, their fan base and their, the customers that usually come and see them, why do they get a re like, why do they get just so I can enjoy it? You know what I mean? I feel like they're not a secret necessarily, but it's like, well, like they're surviving, but they aren't necessarily like kicking ass. And I think it's fine. Like I think everyone who likes churches is like, it's fine if we tell people about

this place. Yeah, I think, but I think you're on to something now because I think it's like, it's their, their absence of marketing is kind of an out of sight, out of mind thing because this was a place I'd been to as a kid and it was like around my hometown, but I like, when you've suggested church's chicken, for me, it was like that thing of like, like, like, oh, that's a name I haven't heard in years. Like I just, I hadn't thought about it in so long. And so I think they could do more to the, to Mitch's point, I think they could do

more to put themselves out there and maybe in terms of their brand, it's less about completely remaking what they do and more just remaking how they're, they're selling themselves. Yeah, it's also totally possible that just because of the market we're in, we don't see it as much as someone who's in like Alabama and they're like, churches is the biggest thing here. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know, but KFC is a lot out here and Popeye's is out here a lot.

So I don't know. I mean, I feel like they could maybe step that up a little bit, but you know, maybe it is just a regional thing. Here's what I'll say though, food was great. Service behind the counter was, was very, very good. Everything I had was a, was a tasty bite. Man, the chicken was great. The biscuits were great.

I mean, those are just, just standouts in their field. Fried chicken is a very American food that I think we should deserve some esteem here in the Doughboys podcast where we are celebrating American food. We're selling, it's very unhealthy. It's very unhealthy, but it's so great. And it's a, and you know, the chicken sector is such a big part of the American chain restaurant scene. I think churches is one of the better ones.

I prefer Popeye's. I certainly may, I may agree with the point. I think we'll have to evaluate it later that, that, that both are better than KFC. Although KFC is what I had more growing up. But churches is really, really good. And as far as I'm concerned, call me Hozier, because I want you to take me to church, four and a half forks. Oh my God.

That means church's chicken is in the Golden Plate Club. I never, ever thought churches would be in the Golden Plate Club. That is, that's an underdog story for me. Well, you know what? There are lots of things people thought would never happen. They never thought that Jill Stein would defy the odds and be the current president of the United States. That's right.

But here we are. We didn't think that they would take away the World Series of the Cubs one three weeks ago. And award it retroactively to Cleveland, but then there we are. It happens. It's crazy. Um, friends back on the air. What?

I, well, I saw that come. Yeah. I guess that was eventually my thing with the friends being back on the air is it's weird that they've just tried to like start right where they left off. Right. They walk right back into the apartment, pick up the keys, turn the lights back on and go, whoops, we didn't mean to leave. Those churches chicken.

It's time for a regular segment. Now, Mitch, you're going to tee this one up, right? Yeah. You got a little surprise for us. Not so regular segment. Not to interrupt the segment. But I do have chicken wise. Yeah, you guys have preference like leg, thigh, breast.

What do you think? I, I, I'm a breast man. Oh, that sounds dirty. I, I, I, I like, but I like, I am a breast man. I'm a breast that I should, what's a better way to say this? I like chicken breast. That's, that is my choice. I prefer dark meat to white meat.

I will go thigh and drumstick over breast and wing, but I like everything. There's no, there's nothing wrong there. Breast is my least favorite. Breast is your least favorite. Yeah, it's usually the driest. But see, well, I'm thinking of a good juicy breast. I mean, I didn't mean a big juicy, milk filled, sea cup breast. Jesus Christ.

Oh, what a matter of, I love the skin. That's all I was going to say. I love chicken skin. So, but, so, but, but, uh, but yeah, no, I like, I like to have chicken. Like, I like to have a big juicy chicken breast and, and, and, but also I need to kind of like have bites of skin with it. Right. Yeah.

Mitch, why don't you go grab what's down to the same. I'll have a, I'll have Demi tell me what his favorite part of the chicken is. I like leg the most and dark meat because I just think it's so much easier to eat. And I feel like you get the most meat because it's all around the bone. Whereas like with thigh, I feel like sometimes I'm just like, well, I hope this is meat and not bone when I bite into it. Yeah. I guess I never say leg, but it is leg.

I always say drumstick, even though I guess the part of it is the leg. But yeah, drumstick is definitely the easiest to eat. And like when you're getting, when you're getting wings, like hot wings, I'll always, I always prefer the drumettes, I think, to the flats, even though I'll have the flats. Yeah, the flats are good. Yeah. But I mean, it's just like a little bit more work. I've got, it's like the thinking man's wing, you know, it just takes a little

bit more time to dig through that. Um, I think growing up, we would always say if we could, like, can we get all legs? Yeah. Yeah. Do you have, is, is fried chicken your favorite chicken preparation? I think so, which it's probably one of the only ones I don't ever cook myself just because I don't have a deep fryer or anything, but like, yeah, probably. Yeah.

My dad would make like pan fried fried chicken. It would come out pretty good. But you really need that deep fryer, that pressure cooker to get that, that texture again, the restaurant. Um, yeah, I like a good rotisserie bird. I do too. We used to like, whenever my mom wouldn't feel like cooking when we were young, we'd go to like Kroger and get the rotisserie ones.

They have like the ones they have at Jelsons kind of. Right. Yeah. And those are good, but something about the crispiness of fried chicken and how it's always, like if it's done right, it's always juicy on the inside. After biting through the crispiness is really good to me. I heard from a grocery store worker that those rotisserie birds, they've gotten grocery stores are like a lost leader, like they're losing money on each of those.

Cause if you compare the price on that to like a raw chicken, raw whole chicken, it's less expensive. Really? But they're losing money on the rotisserie chicken, but they get people in the grocery store, they buy the higher margin sides and their regular groceries with it. So it's, it's kind of interesting, but that's how you're able to get like that super satisfying chicken, Mitch is handing us a red cup at this point. Is this the, the Kool-Aid, the heaven's gate thing?

Yeah, we're going to die. Great. Um, and Mitch also handed me a post-it that says, 21 listens in Kuwait in the past 30 days. Hey, so yeah, our Kuwaiti listeners. Thanks so much for being the double digits. That's impressive. Hashtag Kevin Kuwait.

It was right. Make that hashtag three times seven Kuwait. All right, Mitch, what's going on here? Well, everyone knows the Weiger challenge. Welcome to the Mitch challenge. The tables have been turned. The tables have been turned. Not only that, things are a little different in the Mitch challenge.

You two have different drinks. Oh, it's like, I think I know what mine is. Oh, I'll vote. I might not have no idea. That's interesting. But I will say this. Weiger has a specific drink. You have a specific drink.

The person who gets closest to what their drink is, wins a Snickers four to go Snickers peanut butter bar. Um, you pulled that in your pocket. Did you just have that on you? This was actually in the fridge. Oh, it was in the fridge. So it's solid. So, so it's someone hears.

And I purchased this myself. I dummy, I hope you like this. I do. Because I think you'll find out the way that this challenge is set up. I want you to win. Okay. Did you get like wiper fluid or something? I've got some sort of.

You guys can both describe what you got. Yeah, mine's kind of like, it's got a red hue. It looks like a fruit punch. But if I smell it, it smells closer to a grape drink. Oh, can I see? Can I just one? Yeah, yeah. Did you give me the right one?

Yeah, no, I did. Okay, mine is red and carbonated. And it smells like big red. Now let me taste it. I just had a taste of mine. Definitely that grape flavor is coming through. It could be in the Cran grape realm now. It doesn't have enough cranberry.

I feel like it's like some sort of high sea variant or possibly a welches. Might be in the welches. So we have different ones and it's whoever gets closest to what our respective one is that you're going to judge it. Okay, you'll be the arbiter of what closeness is. Correct. All right. Just took another sip.

Same. Hmm, maybe it made Demi's too hard. Yeah, it like, it throws me off a little bit because it looks, it looks, it tastes like grape juice. And if I was just tasting it with a blindfold, I would think it was grape juice. But looking at it, it makes me think it's not grape juice. Huh, interesting. Demi, you have any thoughts?

Really feel like mine is big red. Interesting. Also interesting. Hmm. All right, I'm going to make a guess. So I have one more sip. What if yours is grape juice that he just added to red food? Well, I don't know why you say it's red.

It looks, it looks very purple to me. Now you're throwing me off. Maybe it's because it's in the red cup, but the red cup has a white lining. So what do you think, Demi? That looks red to me, right? Reddish, reddish purple. It looks reddish purple. There's definite purple to it, but it's like a purple orange red.

Okay. I'm going to say mine is a Welch's variant. Welch's variant. I'm going to say I have Welch's apple grape juice. Apple grape juice. Okay, Demi, what do you think yours is? I'm sticking with big red, even though I don't think it's right. Big red.

Okay. Demi is closer. All right. What did each of us have? Demi, big red is very close. In fact, your drink is a variant of a popular soda. Soda. Soda.

Soda. Thank you, Medea. Absolutely. Yours is a very called Code Red from Mountain Dew. Yes, that's what it is. Okay. Weiger, yours is not Welch's, it's Arizona, and it's grape punch. Now you may say, hey, shouldn't I win the Snickers bar?

I was pretty close, right? Yeah, I did say grape, but I did say it was a grape variant. You said apple too. That's correct. Yeah. It's actually Arizona Shaq Fu grape punch. Right. You missed the Shaq Fu part.

Right. And that's enough for a loss. Wow. That's pretty important. Now that you say that, in my head, the color is correct. Because those, the cans are like the peach one, and then there's one that's blue and one that's purple, Shaq Fu. Yep.

And you got this, you got the grape punch Shaq Fu flavor. Do you feel like you could dunk a ball right now? Yeah, I think so. I think I have like a late career Shaq sort of dunk, like a sun Shaq. I could kind of just get it over the rim. But yeah, I can do it. Yeah. This is like Shaq Fu, like the Genesis game?

That's how it's branded. From the bottle. All right. Hey, you haven't seen those? I know I haven't. Oh, they, I remember, I think they came out when I was in college and we bought all three of them on the first day we found out about it and we started to drink one where like, we're not going to finish any of this, but just let them sit around for a bit.

Well, guess what I go with? Both of those drinks. I'm going to take them off and drink them. I love Shaq, a Laker legend, three titles with a purple and gold. Celtic legend, too. He had a, he played a season for the Celtics very late in his career. How good do you feel like your free throws right now? Like a 51% career average.

But there's no shame in losing to Demi. So I'm happy that you turned the tables, Mitch. This worked out fine. Worked out fine. I think it worked out great. Yeah, it was good. It was a good segment. Good job.

All right. That was the Mitch challenge. I'm now 0-1-1. We'll see if my record ends up being as bad as Mitch's is in the Wyger challenge. No, by the Wyger challenge, I'm very good in the Wyger challenge. You will be very bad forever on the Mitch challenge. And also, I have a fun snack for the winner. You don't do that in the Wyger challenge.

Right. I just give him the balance of the bottle, which is sometimes empty. Yeah, step it up. All right, great. All right, I'll take the note. Just like a restaurant, we buy your feedback. Let's open up the feedback. Today's email comes to us from David Hershack.

David writes, my wife and I recently had a lengthy discussion about if condiments should be always served at a consistent temperature. She felt that it does not better if ketchup, for example, is served cold from the fridge while I feel very strongly that there is nothing worse than the juxtapition of a steamy hot burger with chili ketchup on it. I feel like there are exceptions to the rule, however, with mayo being chilled on a deli sandwich being perfectly acceptable. How do you feel about this issue?

Do you prefer to have condiments match the temperature of the food you are eating? Or do you not mind the difference between the toppings and the item being topped? Wow. This is something I hadn't thought about too much. Very good question. Devon, do you have any thoughts on condiment temperature? I don't like it when I'm eating something hot and then I have to put cold ketchup on it, but I don't mind the reverse, where it's like, oh,

I'm eating a hot sandwich and the reverse being I'm eating something cold and I have to put something warm on it. Yeah, I agree with that. I think I'm on board with that, especially like a very cold ketchup, which means like refrigerated ketchup, which I'm already like, I wish I just had like a packet of ketchup. I always, I get bummed out if they forget to give you like packets of ketchup because I always feel like fridge ketchup is just a bummer to me.

I don't think you need to do you need to keep ketchup in your fridge. You don't. But then also just like ketchup kind of is a bummer in general. You know, it's okay. I agree with you guys that I like the I like the room temp ketchup, certainly for dipping. I feel like that's where it comes most into play. Although if I'm going to have some ranch to dip my fries in or something,

I don't mind if that's a little cold because that's dairy based. I want to like a little bit of chill is not so bad. But yeah, a cold or a cold ketchup is always kind of a and a cold mustard too, or both kind of like turn offs. You want those you want those as closer to the temperature of your your meats. It does come me out of lettuce and tomato or like too warm from the from the sandwich. Yeah, you want that kind of cold. Yeah, but not like extremely cold.

It's a it's a balance. You want to be a little bit heated up from the sandwich, but not to the point where it's like mushy and like feels like microwaved. Yes. Yeah, that's it. They should all be in that same sort of gray region. And if I have Buffalo wings, I want room temperature ranch. Do they bring it to you room temperature generally? I feel like it's never cold.

It's never cold. Not like chilled cold, but like not like it's not like warm. I think it would buy me out if I had like cold ranch with hot buffalo wings. I think I need to do some more tasting of these ranches on their own, because I'm always using them in a dipping context. And maybe it's because I have an association with it being on salads. But I always think of it as cool, but maybe it's not that cool. Maybe it's more room temp. Do you remember McDonald's had a was the mick DLT.

Yeah, the hot stays hot and the cold stays cold stays cold. Yeah, you might be too young for this Debbie, but that was like a this had you get a hot patty on one side like we are. I'm 10. You got a hot patty on one side and then the other side that would have your the condiment or not the condiments, the crisper ingredients, the produce, and then you'd assemble it at home. What? Yeah, it was actually pretty good, except it used like,

I think it used like three pounds of styrofoam. Right, per box. It was extremely wasteful. What's the point of making you assemble it at home? Well, I think the idea was if you're getting it to go, push them together. Yeah, right. Yeah, if you're getting it to go, then the hot stays hot. The cold stays cold. So you're not like having you're not going to have like warm lettuce and a mushy and a colder burger because everything's settling at the same temperature

and a 10 minute drive from the drive through to your house. But yeah, the McDLT was pretty good. Yeah, it was a huge failure. Yeah, it was a failure like the Arch Deluxe. Here's the thing I'll say. And this is a thing I've started doing pretty recently that's changed my life in a good way. You can store butter at room temp.

Yes, I'm doing room temperature butter now. My mom stores butter at room temperature and it's OK. But you can't have it out for like if you have it out for too long. It's not right. When our apartment gets hot, it just like the butter melts. And then it's just kind of useless unless you get lost. I feel like if you're going to have butter out at room temperature, you should be using it within like three or four days. Yeah, I mean, it sort of works with our amount of butter consumption.

But yeah, like having it in the dish, it's nice that you don't have that rock hard butter that you have to like sort of cut through. And then it's not very spreadable. Oh, yeah, I said that that was quite the problem. And like the weekends or something when I was in high school or something, you get yourself a muffin and then you got this cold hard butter. I'd sometimes microwave the stick for 10 seconds and a lot of it would melt. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was it was sloppy. Like I would make kind of a mess. But if you have the if you have the butter out on the table and covered, the thing is that my mom would have the butter and then like some of it would be like dark yellow. And I'm like, you put like this has been out on the table for too long. I just zip would lick it at it. My cat's right.

I just I'm using the sticks and I have like the country crock tub so it's all spreadable. But that doesn't that doesn't have the taste I love. Yeah, it's closer to but like as a as somebody doesn't like cheese, you will you will still have butter. Yeah, but it's you guys mentioned mustard and I was like, I don't like mustard either. So I just not like yellow foods, but I do like butter.

So do we call it butters yellow or butter white? It depends. White is show about. Yeah, I feel like the more authentic butter is white, right? Because it's like churn or whatever. But I'm not I don't have access to a churner. So I feel like I feel like it's butter is on the it goes into the yellow scale, though. Yeah, especially because you leave that butter out.

It turns yellow. Right. Yeah. Wait, it turns yellow. Oh, it turns more yellow. It turns more yellow. Yeah, that's tricky. Yeah, I would consider it a yellow in the yellow category of foods. Mustard, butter, what else? Cheese, bananas, cheese, bananas. Oh, you're not like bananas either. I love bananas.

My hypothesis was it immediately destroyed it. It did not sustain. But the insides of a banana are very much white. So maybe it's on the scale still on the side, though. If you ate a banana peel, you probably think it tastes gross. For sure. Right. So there you go. That's that's the more yellow of the bunch.

I ate some banana peel for a bit. Once as it sucks. Was it was it worth it? No, I mean, it got a laugh, but it wasn't worth it. I shouldn't have done it. Was it on the UCB stage? Yeah, it was on the UCB stage. Oh, it's too bad that didn't turn into something bigger.

They have to pick up a wagery. It's a banana peel for three seasons. That'll be on CISO. All right, if you have a question or comment with the world of chain restaurants, you can email us at doughboyspodcast at gmail.com. Check out our Facebook page, Dough Boys. Follow us on Twitter at Dough Boys Pod. Subscribe and rate us on iTunes.

Demi, did you eBay? Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate you giving up so much your afternoon to take this exhibition, this odyssey over to Church's Chicken and Pasadena and come over here and discuss it with us. Do you have anything you would like to plug at this time? Sure. Watch The Good Place on NBC if it's still airing at this time, if they haven't canceled it because of Jill Stein's policies. And be sure to check out Gilmore Guys in my podcast.

Demi, it was great having you. It was great being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, Gilmore Guys are a great crew. We love you guys. Couple of good guys. We love you guys. Oh, well, I'm glad this all worked out. It's nice when there's not a rivalry between podcasts.

Right, yeah. Do you hear that Hollywood handbook? They'll do it for this episode of Dough Boys until next time. For the Swimming Man, Mike Mitchell. I'm Nick Weigher. Happy eating. Happy Thanksgiving. See ya.

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