Doughboys - El Torito with Jack Allison

Episode Date: November 15, 2018

The 'boys take a deep dive into Mexican cuisine as Jack Allison (Jimmy Kimmel Live!, Struggle Session) returns for a review of El Torito, a restaurant known for its made-to-order guacamole and flame-grilled fajitas. Plus, a Thanksgiving edition of Season Eatings. Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In 1876, New York bartender Jerry P. Thomas, who'd become a minor celebrity for his extensive knowledge of cocktails and proto-flair style of drink mixing, published his Bar Tenders Guide, an encyclopedia of mixed drinks that included the first documented recipe for a brandy, citrus, and simple syrup concoction called the Daisy. A popular late 19th and early 20th century cocktail, by the 1930s bartenders on either side of the Mexico-U.S. border were substituting tequila for brandy, naming the concoction after the Spanish word for Daisy, margarita. And the enduring popularity of the margarita in the U.S. can at least be partially attributed

to Larry J. Conno, an Air Force vet who would become a pioneering figure in the sit-down chain restaurant sector. After serving in Korea, Conno took a job as a bartender at a Polynesian restaurant in Encino, California called Bally High, and in 1954, after the owner passed away, he took control of the operation. Conno realized the Tiki concept was a fading fad and converted the joint into a full-service sit-down restaurant serving Mexican food, complete with a full bar to sling rocks and frozen margaritas.

Conno recognizes inability to execute proper south of the border cuisine, and so he turned his kitchen over to Mexican-American chef Ignacio Nacho Segura, who would stay with the company for decades. While Mexican food has become one of the cuisines most associated with California, in the 1950s it was still largely unfamiliar to white locals. As Conno told the Los Angeles Daily News, many of his customers in the early years quote, didn't know what a taco was, they called them taicos, end quote, and chef Segura was instructed to keep things not too spicy for their Caucasian clientele.

But Californians and Americans soon learned to love it, and Conno and Segura added three locations within the first half decade of operation, then expanded to 22 by 1976 when the concept was sold to a conglomerate, though Conno would remain his president through the 80s. Aside from the margarita, Conno helped popularize enchiladas, sizzling fajitas, and the informal weekly holiday of Taco Tuesday, as Mexican food is transitioned from an exotic delicacy and a comfort fair for everyday Americans. Today, there are 69 locations where they pour the cocktail that's the Spanish word for

Daisy, at the restaurant, named for the Spanish word for Little Bull. This week on Doughboys, El Torrito. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, alongside my co-host, Grease Witherspoon, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Grease Withers? Yeah. What? Like Grease Witherspoon, but greasy.

No, I mean fine, whatever. That was courtesy of Aaron in Atlanta. I like it. It's a fresh twist. Yeah. We get a lot of like John Squincey Adams or whatever, like we get a lot of like those kind of... But I just don't know how I relate to Grease Witherspoon.

I will tell you, I worked in a movie theater. Actually, I think our guest did too at one point. We'll dig in on that. I worked in it. Yeah, this will be an exciting episode of time working behind a movie theater counter. Is our guest the projectionist from Cinema Paradiso? You will soon find out. They played the Grease Witherspoon illegally blonde, or was it Legally Blonde 2, where it

was like, perfect day. Like I remember that song to this day because it was just playing in there. And then American Pie 2 came out and a bunch of people from my high school came and I was wearing like a dumb popcorn shirt and looked like a fucking loser. I feel like Legally Blonde 1 and American Pie 2 roughly lined up. I think that was about the same. Then maybe it was Legally Blonde 1. I could be wrong.

I'm wrong. I'm wrong on thing. I whiffed last week, I made a big error and the claiming a song was from the Final Fantasy soundtrack, was in fact from Secret of Mana. I know. I know. People tweeted at us. I look like quite the fool.

Yeah. Wow. But anyway, Rose Spoonman at gmail.com, if you have an insult, you'd like to use on Mitch at the top of the show. Mitch, hell on earth right now, wildfires are raging. One bearing down on your side of town, one bearing down on my side of town. The entire city of Malibu, which is just north of where where Nali and I live, has been evacuated. It's crazy.

You and I, the fires come close, you and I will will lay out in the street and wait to be cooked alive. How do you hope to Spoon Nation? You know what? I am embarrassed even though it's a close friend. I'm embarrassed to do that in front of my friend. All right. Here's a drop.

I always thought you loved hot salad. No, I don't. Who likes hot salad? It's disgusting. You think you're trying to say I'm weird? Drop. You like hot salad. Drop.

You like hot salad. Drop. You like hot salad. Put your salad in the microwave. Drop. You like hot salad. Drop. You like hot salad.

No one likes a hot salad. Drop. You like hot salad. Drop. You like hot salad. I've seen you bite into a salad go. Too cold. That was well done.

That was very well done. Who the hell was it? Oh, here it is. John Burton. Hey Mitch, got a drop for you. Spoon Nation forever. John. Thanks, John.

It was good. Yeah, it was really good. You did a good job. What can I say? And you know, by the way, now I love hot salad because all the money we make from those hot salad t-shirts, baby. You're a big seller. Hot salad moves merch.

It weirdly is. We sell a lot of the hot salad shirts for some reason. Anyways, Nick, let's get to our guest. Oh, man. Our guest is a good one. He was actually the guest on our second ever episode. And this has been a while since we've had him back. But we're glad to have him.

A writer whose credits include Jimmy Kimmel Live and Funny or Die. And he's also the host of the podcast struggle session, as well as Jack A.M. on Twitch. Jack Allison is back. Hi there. You really blew the spoiler that I wasn't the Cinema Paradiso guy that I was the second ever guest on this show. But thank you for having me back. It's good to be back here, guys.

Jackie Boy was my old roommate. A good man. I miss him here at the house. I feel like I'd feel, because this is something I haven't experienced. I've moved out of a place and then gone back to that place while my old roommate's still living there. What's that like? Wow.

It's a little like going back to high school. I feel like a loser. I feel like I'm too old to be hanging out with all these kids back here. And I should have moved on with my life. It's especially strange to be coming back here because, as I've mentioned before, Mitch replaced me with the two cats. And I'm allergic to cats. So it's a whole different experience to be back here and feel itchy and have my asthma

just be getting worse by the minute. It's interesting to be in a place that used to be home to me, but now feels as though it's trying to kill me. The air in here is trying to kill me. It's funny because we had Ike Baronholz on. Yes. And he had a cat allergy. Nick, your guest, you should have checked with him if he was allergic to cats.

It was Yu Song's fault. Wow. Oh, I take, you know what they told me? Yu Song is staring somewhere. Everyone's like, you should take Yu Song's side. So I stand with Yu Song. Wow. Okay.

That's what everyone told me. I'm like, what are the Doughboys in jokes that will make everybody in the Ear Wolf subreddit finally like me? And they were like, side with Yu Song. So I'm like, I'm with Yu Song on this one. It's not Yu Song's fault. Hopefully the guy's on the subreddit like that. I think also maybe another angle you could take that would be on Bran as you should push

for Emma and Yu Song to unionize. Yeah. Actually, you know what? Why not? They should do that. But the Ear Wolf subreddit won't like that. No, they won't like that. I'm here to repair my name and make inroads with the folks over at the Ear Wolf subreddit.

Who I want to finally like me. What was the issue there? Did you shit talk slayner? What happened? I don't know. What's slayner? I don't know what slayner is. Slayner's the moderator over there.

We met slayner. I don't know. I think that there's, you know, I like the folks over there. I like the folks over there. I think I've maybe said occasionally things about the comedians that they most love in their lives and hold most dear to their hearts. But, you know, I'm here to say that I'm a normal guy and I'm nice and funny and I'm here on the Doughboy show and you guys can like me just as much as you like Gabriel or

Susser or any of the rest of the fat guys. I'm going to say this. Yes. Jack is a good man. I love Jack. A very good man. He says some stuff that maybe I don't agree with, but he's right about 90% of the time. I'm right about a lot of stuff.

And you know what? It's just like the way the website's designed. Twitter's designed. You only get people looking at stuff if you're getting everybody all pissed off. Sure. That's the design of the website or whatever. I'm only using the website the way it's supposed to be used. I don't know what to tell you, everybody.

Like you have to, you know, you have to use the website properly. That's all I'm doing. Jack speaks truths that we need. A lot of the time. Sometimes I do fuck up. What are you going to do? Jack, well, Jack has gotten, I told you this, that I read, I just said this just this morning, but this is extreme.

But I think anyone who doesn't believe in global warming should be dragged out into the street and beaten. And beaten up. I don't know about believes in global warming. Sure. But I do think perhaps the people that are like owning and like the running the companies and stuff like that, they're the only people can. I think that maybe dragging them out of their houses and beating them up is more effective

than buying like the smart home device with the thermostat. You know what I mean? I actually do think that would be more effective than like everybody make sure like to turn the lights off at night or whatever. They tell us to do using your carbon offsets app for your hybrid car. I do. They'll be more useful. I do.

Right. No, yeah. Because that is the whole thing. That's the stat that keeps getting circulated. And I'm glad that it keeps getting circulated. It's getting into people's head. But you know, like half of all, I actually don't know if it's half or 70 percent. It's like 70 percent.

It's pretty high. 100 companies that do that. 100 corporations are responsible for. It's like, you know, get rid of them. You should maybe beat those people up. I think maybe if it's 100 people that you got to beat up to maybe stop the whole thing from happening, that'd be great. I don't know.

Wash your back. CEO of Chevron. I bet they listen. I bet they listen. It will suck when the CEO of Chevron kicks the shit out of me. This is going to hurt for your guys. Ad reads for Chevron. That's true.

Head gum is not going to be happy with you guys talking Chevron. We mostly we're mostly reading ads for oil and gas companies. 70 like 70 year old men can be tough. Yeah, it's true. I've been in with the oil guys for a very long time. I'm not going out to them. That's a bridge too far. I never say I don't worry about Jake and Amir.

They're great guys. I don't think about these. They are great guys. I remember when my dad was like, oh, actually, even when my dad had cancer and like we were like jokingly play fight and he would still like beat. He could still beat the shit out of me even when he was sick and an old old man. Old man strength is a real phenomenon. You get the other thing.

It's not a weak young man strength. Yeah. Well, that's that's actually the thing of like there's a big. Generational gap between like I do feel like maybe baby boomers or when people started to get weak. Yeah. But I feel like I feel like our current generation and I think maybe maybe millennials are the generation.

What's the generation after millennials generation? Generation Z. I feel like maybe Generation Z is a little bit more conscious of like, you know, that the world is is falling apart. Maybe they're like taking a little better care of themselves. But I feel like like Gen X and millennials got a little soft. We are a soft generation. And you know what I, you know, we've all read this article and I, you know, we're supposed

to be talking about, you know, a restaurant here, but there's that article that our calm doesn't work as good either. Like this as a generation, this is like, it's like we're not as fertile as our like previous generations. And so I'm like, I think that we are maybe just like physically become like, you know, gender is on a spectrum anyway. You know what I mean? But like, you know, I think that we are becoming less, you know, men just in general.

I believe in that. Generationally, we are not as much hearty or something. Yeah. Monthly, I'll check up on my year wolf guys like monthly, I'll check up on my on my ejaculate. And you do. Jesus Christ. You can account.

Check up on it. I have a little Jewelers. What are the Jewelers? And I don't see any swimmers in there. Yeah. Yeah. My loads are just clear these days. Well, you and everyone else.

Anyway, we are a soft generation. We are a soft generation. Right. So yeah, you do worry that like in some sort of generational thing that like, you know, some 70 year old retired Marine might just like beat the living shit out of you. Easily. No question. But I gotta say this.

Yes. Because I feel like there's a lot of political Nick, you work on a political comedy show. It's it's funny. This is our first episode since the election results. That's true. Yes. I think that South Park is one of the places that does that that is that is doing like isn't specifically political, but it's still doing like, like, like they're kind of they

mix it together well or whatever. Have you watched all the season? I'm not I'm not up to speed on on South Park. And I think, you know, I think there are times when maybe it's it's political takes or a little too both sides for issues that are maybe more one sided. But I do think here's what I love about South Park is that it's funny. It's such a funny show and the jokes come first. And I feel like that keeps it from being preachy, which you see on some.

South Park can be preachy. But I can't be. I still think yes. I think that you're right. Like it still does come at like what is the like funniest structure of an episode. Right. This week. And it's not it's not a political show first and foremost.

But but this also it doesn't feel like I mean whatever. Like all these political shows like are way too like like educational shows. Right. It's too much. Like, do you know how like the electoral like college works and like just a dry explanation about works? I'm like, I didn't. I don't like tune in for like middle school class.

I mean, it's like these shows are a little too like like if like now this or whatever. Yeah. The South Park episode in every in this season. Have you watched Jack or no? I haven't caught up all the way. I watched like I actually watched the first three today. Yeah. And I then you then you I like the Mr. Hankey episode.

The one which was the one the second one that was not that good. The priest one was only like OK. It was not like the face went like so completely blank because he could not understand the concept of the South Park episode not being good. I mean, no one was OK. I mean, I love these guys and it's like, you know, I do think that they I do want them to go on to do other stuff at this point. I'm starting to feel like I'm worried that the show will be bad soon.

I think the show was awesome this season. I was all I want to say is that they've now incorporated into the show that their school shootings every day. Like every episode they're like a school shooting. It just happens every episode. I didn't see this. I didn't see this episode yet, but I understand that the newest one is them being like we were wrong about global warming, which is kind of interesting.

That's the one I haven't. I wasn't trying to spoil for you the other the other night, but you should watch it. It's good. Watch it. Yeah. Anyway, this is the South Park. Yeah. This is our very general South Park recap.

It's a good show. I know it's a good show. I like it. I'm not up to speed on it, but I'm not up to speed on a lot of things. But I should be a voice on South Park. The new the cart, the new cart, the new cartman lose some weight. Hey, shut up, Jack. Pretty good.

Um, Jack, do you have an as a man who has a as a leftist podcast is very politically active on social media and in and in real life, you talk the talk, you walk the walk rather. Yeah. You know, you're very, very much a participant in democracy. Do you have a, do you have any takes on the election results? Or, you know, do I have takes on the election results? I ultimately am like, I don't really, I don't see the like big upside in like feeling too

exuberant about these election results to begin with. And I do think that there's a little bit of sort of like silly, like, come on, everybody, like don't feel bad about anything with these election results. It is, of course, good that the Democrats took the house. Um, all we have to, um, all we have to worry about now is the Democrats like being effective. Sure. I'm like, okay, well, uh, they've always been so effective in the past. I'm sure they will this time.

Um, and I don't know, like, uh, a lot of local shit. Like I'm like, look at the California election. And it's like, yes, there are like not a lot of Republicans that won. But like also there's not a lot of good, like progressive policy that got through. Like, yeah. The ballot measures, which, you know, it's always hard for a ballot measure to win, but some of the ones like prop 10 in particular, the control measure lost decisively after a, yeah.

And I mean, honestly, that, I mean, yes, that was like straight up disinformation campaign. They got outspent like 10 to one. And with ads that basically were using like less on, yes, on 10, like lingo, like it was like no on 10 because it like protects renters. It's just, uh, I don't know. So ultimately I'm like, I feel a little disappointed by the results. And I also think that it's like worth saying like this is not a blue wave, even though like everyone wants to feel super happy about it.

It's like, I think maybe being realistic about like that this is, this was a good election. They got the house, but it was also against like a president who has the lowest approval ratings of like any president at a midterm election. Right. So I'm like a booming economy. So that's worth. Sure. That is true.

They also picked up senators too. You know what I mean? Like it's like, I don't know. This was a, uh, I don't know. I'm not like, uh, it could have gone worse. It absolutely could have gone worse. Right. Like, uh, everything, the day is saved everybody.

Let's go back to brunch. It is like, you know, is it, no, it was a big fuckup. What's that? That daylight savings decision. What? Wait. I thought that was, which way did it get decided? It passed.

It went, yes. Passing. I voted against it. I don't want, I would like daylight savings. So this is an issue of this was, this was prop seven. And this is, I think, part of the issue with this proposition as worded. Proposition seven here in California was to authorize the legislature. It's not, it's not a binding, uh, bill, but it's basically letting,

giving the legislature permission or authorization to make daylight saving time year round. Yeah. But I think a lot of people were like, I don't like daylight saving time. So I'm voting yet, like I'm voting yes. Like the way it was worded, it was confusing as to whether you were, what, what, what a yes vote actually meant. I like falling back.

You like falling back. You like the fact that there's a time change. I like, I like to fall back. So you like the, like you're, you're happy to have half a year where it's a terrible all the time. Every day you have to wake up earlier just cause there's a time when you like get to wake up a little later or like a week. It gives you like for, for, for, for what I understand the, if this past,

it would be when we spring ahead, that would be the normal time. That would be the normal time the entire year forever. No, no, it doesn't matter. That's just the forever time. It doesn't matter which one is when days, make it darker out. Look, the world is already, you want it to go the other way. You want it to be the fall back. I want it to be fall back forever.

Damn, like you can like, this is why we can't get anything good. You know, the perfect is the enemy of the good, Mitch. The perfect is the enemy of the good here. Well, it passed it with like 80 percent, but 80 percent, 80 percent people voted yes, I think on it. Right. But so I like the fall. I like it darker, but you don't even like the time changing to daylight

saving time. You want it to be, so you want it to be like the early time when it gets dark at 4 p.m. You want to say like that all year round. What do you like the darkness so much? What do you bane? Why do you live? Why do you dwell within the darkness so much, Mitch?

I like the darkness. It's not, the sun is too hot soon. We're going to have to change it so that we are on a night schedule out here anyway. That might happen. We should just always do a fall back. We should be, we should just always go back one every, just twice a year. Just every twice a year.

I like that idea. I think that's more, that's fun to me. Eventually like 2 a.m. is like high noon because that's how far we've gone. So wait, but you're saying because, because I know you're someone who sleeps in and I'm not going to say you sleep in a ridiculous amount of time, but you're so you get up in the mid morning. The fuck. Okay.

Sure. So you're talking about your 30s. It gets up at 11 a.m. But you're talking about like maybe I woke up at 10 a.m. today for your information. 10 a.m. So you're talking about having like six hours of daylight a day year round. That's what you want to be exposed to. And most of the time is spent indoors.

You just hate the sun. Yeah. The sun sucks shit. Why don't you get better curtains and everybody else can have the time they like. Or maybe I block out the fucking sun like Mr. Burns. What you like, son? I like the sun. The sun is causing a shitload of problems, Nick.

Well, I don't think the sun is the central. Yeah. If it weren't for the sun, we would be able to have as many factories as we like. If it weren't for the sun coming through those. So when you do is get rid of the sun. Yeah, we should get rid of the sun. Boy, what's a global warming like on Tatooine? No, those moisture vaporators.

They probably figured they probably figured something out. Yeah, that's what the moisture vaporizers are for. You know, you know, you know what I have recently? I think I think Rogue One is the best. I've said this in the past. Yes. I think Rogue One is the best hours moving. I actually think that it's not a bad way.

The best hours movie of the Disney's. Relax. I like I wipe a huge amount of flop sweat off my forehead. You really need that caveat in there because the best Disney movie sounds insane. Best Disney Star Wars movie. Best Disney Star Wars movie. That's a defensible position. I think it's a fun little story.

I enjoy it. I like Rogue One. You said about Rogue One 2 on Disney Plus coming out. Oh boy. They're doing Rogue One spin off on the Disney Plus streaming service. Could be all right. Spoiler alert for Rogue One coming right now. All right, here we go.

Your time is up. Rogue One dies in the movie. Right. So how do you make a spin off of the movie? It's a prequel. It's a prequel. Rogue One 5. Oh God.

Really? What did you think they were going to have like a space ghost situation? Like space ghost. Space ghost. It was going to be a talk show. It was going to be a talk show. Swarack? Yeah.

Oh well. Force ghost I guess. Oh, force ghost. There you go. No way. I think they will just be like that guy going on covert spy missions. Sure. I mean they didn't know.

That could be fun. So it's just the one guy. I mean they didn't know each other. That's the other thing too. It's like the like Rogue One. They all meet each other in the movie. Yes. I don't think Jen Erso is involved.

I think it's all the, that's the only characters name I remember from that movie. What's the one that? Okay. I'm going to, can you name any characters from Rogue One? Very good question. All right. Jen Erso is one I can name. I don't even remember the robot.

Yeah. I used to know that. His name is like C3 Pete. No. That's not C3 Pete. Yeah. That's C2. Oh, is it?

Is it like? Oh, no. That's L 3 3 7. From solo. I hate dog shit. Leet. Yes, dog. Bad.

Very bad. Joke from joke from 2001. Oh, here's my other hot take. You know who's will know us the second best Disney Star Wars movie solo is number two. That's ridiculous. I mean three force wakens for the last. You're just getting into really murky territory. Even going past.

Insane takes. I just can't even like handle it past. I won't rank them. I refuse to rank them after that one. All right. Here's what we're going to do, Mitch. We're going to have a contest out there. Hashtag a rogue one character contest and whoever can name the most rogue one characters without

resorting to Wikipedia. This is on the honor system. We're holding you to this. On the top of your heads, you will receive this Los Angeles Lakers gift bag. Wow. That Mitch you got when you attended a game and you don't want it because you're a Celtics fan. That's right.

Los Angeles Lakers kind of what the fuck is that a little. It's a really shitty back. It's actually not that bad. I kept one. I'm going to give it to Max Mayer, but it has a zipper. So it has like two ways. You know, it's like it's got the drawstring. Okay.

You also open it as a, you know, sort of backpack with a zipper. So it's like a drawstring. Yeah. Drawstring backpack. We'll take a pic of this and put this up on social media. So you know what the stakes are, but pretty exciting opportunity for you. Wow. One heads out there.

Wow. You get to win some of my trash. Nick. What else will we put in there? We can put it. What else on this table? We'll put in a little piece of paper towel from the paper towel roll. Yeah.

We'll put in one of your, your cactus paper towels. Yeah. Let's see. And we'll throw in. I mean, you could throw in your, you're not going to part with it. I won't even say it. No, I'm not going to toss in the captain, Fazba doll. You know, we should throw.

Do you even like the movie? You hate both. No, no, we should, we know what we should give them. Solo is better. You know what we should give them the, the, the kosher jerky that we never ate for October. Bless. Oh, that's a good idea.

Yeah. We'll shoot. We'll send it. We'll throw that kosher jerky. We'll send you that kosher jerky. You can name the game. Maybe one is named Galen Galen. That sounds right.

Like Galen. Is there a C in the guy? It's, I feel like there is a C and it might be. Yeah. I think it's like maybe is C three P O ish. Yeah. If it's like, well, let's, we'll find out when the, when the fans chime in. And by the way, Ryan Johnson, you can't do it.

You're banned Johnson. Hey, you know, I know you like to get into Twitter replies, but. Um, Jack, an LA local, a native of, of, of the city of angels. Angelino. Yeah. Angelino. Um, what do you, and this is, this is territory. I know we've covered with you before, but I'm always curious about people who grew up

here, what their favorite LA eats are, both in terms of types of cuisine and any, any places specific to the city that you would say anyone visiting LA, check these spots out. God, it's really tough. Actually. That is a very tough question at this point because I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what even like what type, like, is it, are we talking about like, you should go to a fancy restaurant or, you know, you're sort of a lot of the nice ones, like a lot of the places that like,

I held dear to my heart as like Valley institutions are now like sharkies and shit. Right. So, uh, I said, except, you know, I think I went to one, a Valley institution with you for the first, which was that, I think I went to Chili John's with you for the first time. Oh, Chili John's is great. Chili John's is really nice. It's a chili, uh, restaurant up there in Burbank.

They, you know, that's open like 150 days out of the year. Maybe like that. They're not open that many days a year. They close at like one PM or something. They get crazy hours. And also like it's the time of year where it's like, it's like opening like the hottest part of the summer. Right.

Yeah. I think what else? I mean, like, you know, there's like, I always say like Zanku, I do like Zanku a whole lot. Zanku is great. It's a specific one. It is a Mediterranean, I think it's Armenian, Armenian chicken boys out here. What is the, so, so what is your Zanku word?

Murderer. Murderer. There are Zanku murders. Yes. We've never, we've never talked about it on the show, but yeah, there was, there was a big family murder. We've never talked about that on the show. We never, we never, we never got into detail about it.

We never, we never reviewed the restaurant. It's really more of one of the murder podcasts. It's more like one where you would like kind of be like fun and cute about it while talking about it. I'm sorry to the people on the Ear Wolf subreddit. I shouldn't make fun of whatever show. I don't even know what fucking show I'm making fun of. I know this genre exists.

Yeah. That's a lot. I think it's fair to, to make fun. My mom watches murder. She goes to bed watching. Yeah. You know, all these shows ID and everything, they had the like, they had at least pretended to act like this is serious.

Right. Like now all these podcasts are very like, and then he like fucking hammered her head. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's a mood or whatever. Like. My, my godmother and my mom watched that a lot and my godmother was like, I think I could kill someone.

She thinks that. Wow. Wait. So wait. Hold on. You're saying this at Thanksgiving. I think last year, like sincerely, like she thinks she could get away with it. I think I could get away with it.

If I drove somewhere and stabbed someone, I think I could do it. Man. That's because I think I always hear is like her son Neil. Hello Neil watches. This is to the podcast. He's owner. Fat cat. Wow.

Neil. Congrats. Neil. Yeah. Oh, Jack knows Neil. Yeah. That's bananas. Um, hey, not, not, not to, not to stereotype by gender, but I know that these, uh, these

murder podcasts, these, uh, these true crime shows have a, have a strong female demographic. I'm curious. Nick, what are you trying to say? I'm curious of our engineer. What are you? What is this? What I'm saying. I'm curious of our engineer.

Emma. Is it all interested? Are you someone who's into the true crime stuff? Oh yeah. What, what about it is fascinating to you? I don't know. I don't know what's so fascinating. I think it's just like, I have a fascination with like serial killers in general.

Okay. I find that people who think that way, like fascinating. Right. So maybe it's that. I also think women feel like they're going to get murdered a lot more than men. So I think we just want to know how it happened. I think that that makes sense. That's fair.

My wife is really into all those shows. She's very into what is it? Like a last podcast on the left, but she'll listen to, uh, and yeah, I don't know. I guess I think you're right about that, that there is like more of a fascination with death because it's, you know, maybe when every time you like get out of your car, you're like, I'll like, uh, maybe die right now running with your keys between your fingers. You want to know if you can actually defend yourself with that or not and the shows might provide some insight every night.

I go to sleep. I feel like I might die in my sleep, so yeah, that's why you listen to those cutesy shows about sleep apnea sleep apnea shows were done in the same way of an ID. He went to bed. I don't get the death of my thumb on my tongue here and I'm like, that's a mood. So yeah, but the Zanku murders were were insane. It was a was I think the heir to the Zanku Empire. I want to give the breakdown of the breakdown, please do.

He tried the Zanku chicken. It was so good. Why can't I make chicken this good? I think it was a business thing. It was. Yeah. And he killed it. He killed family members.

It's a horror in law, right? Or something like that. That's my understanding. Yeah. He killed possibly his parents and a sibling or some combination of family relatives on her homepage because she loves this or what the hell like list of every murder yet to come. Jack, do you have what we're waiting on on closure on that you have a go to order at

the Zanku when you get I like to get. I mean, it's a it's a massive plate, but I do like the the chicken Tarno. It's like it's really good. That is great. They got the chicken roasted on the spit. Yep. It's it's really well seasoned. They carve it off for you.

Yeah. I write that that is a massive plate now. It's like it's like it like puts me back like every time I have it, like you'll like like be laying on the couch for the rest of the day. Because it is like it's a full like order a full bowl of like tahini sauce and of hummus and garlic and of course all the beats that you definitely eat all the beats and peppers that you eat that every time that beat tomato salad is a really weird fucking chopped up tomatoes.

The salad is the salad is such shit no dressing, but I'll say I'll say this vinegar beats soaked in vinegar. I'll say that I'll say that the beats I will put in sometimes I'll put them in the piece of pita with the chicken and stuff right okay, and I'll sometimes eat the hot peppers, but the rest of it is the tomato and like shitty lettuce a little bit of wet lettuce. It's odd. Do you know who gets Zanku a bunch? Is that bug main?

I went in there with him recently the the lady behind the counter knew what he want. She didn't even know she started making it when she saw him bug me and love Zanku. We can only eat at places where the owner is a murderer. Do you know that the the murder house is right near here the one that was based on the one that American horror story and a bunch of other things are based on where right just a block or so away wow where was it a dentist. I have I've never told you the story he he he it was like near Christmas and then he he started hitting his wife with a hammer and then the daughter came in and he hit her and

then he drank he literally drank acid like that sounds like a fake murder story, but he really did and and they left the Christmas tree in the presence up in the house forever. And so like oh yeah, it's it's wild. I've been up there. I've looked in the window too. Yeah, I think we went together. They took the Christmas tree down and now it's it's and now there is a big fence around it, but I went up there and looked and there was like a magazine from 1950.

It happened. It's left the house because somebody like bought it afterwards. So forever there was just like all the stuff just still set up in there. Jesus Christ. They say on nights like these you can still hear the family wailing and the drill of a dentist's tool. He didn't use in the murder, but you can hear the dentist drill. He was a dentist.

That's his, you know, for a dentist's murder. It was very not dentist. He could have had any profession. It would have been a little bit more practical if he was like a carpenter or something. Okay, I can understand the hammer. What do you want him to pull teeth out or something? What do you want him to do? I don't want him to do any of that.

I think he should not have murdered his family. I'm going to come out hard against this dentist killing his family 50 years ago. I'm pretty sure you're going to leave here and go right up to that house after the podcast and sit in there. Diavato erotic asphyxiation. His family's dust covered Christmas presents. Yeah, I really like Zanku chicken. They've got really good, the beef they got there too.

It's a beef and lamb Euro, right? Is that what it is? Yeah. That's like the, well, it's not torna. What do they call the torna counterpart? Schwarma. Schwarma. The Schwarma ones, Schwarma is really good.

And then they've also, and also too, I'll just get like a half chicken from there and slap it in that garlic sauce. It's just so great. And I'll tell you what, the kebabs are very good. I don't think they take 20 minutes. They take too long. They take 20 minutes. You have to be ready to get to settle in if you're going to get the kebab.

It's really good. I'm into that they've got the rotisserie going or they got the spit going and they can just carve it off to you and hand it over to you over the counter. That's what I'm into. I could tell more Jack places right off the top of my, I mean, Oh, please do. I would. Well, you like pie and burger.

Yeah, pie and burger is really good. Oh, apple pan. I like apple pan. Apple pan is fantastic. Apple pan is really good. You can like Piquino Moss. Don't you? I mean, is that like, I'm like going to be like,

if someone's coming to LA, I'd be like, you got to get to Piquino Moss. Like if anybody asked me if they were coming to LA, I'd be like, ask somebody else. I don't want to deal with it. There's other people that like ask Mitch. He knows all the places I like. I mean, Piquino Moss is even maybe a place. Like if it was a low like quiet day, I maybe would just go to.

I mean, you don't. Maybe if you want to say animal, go to animal animals, really good. John and Vinny's, I mean, you know, what are you looking to spend? I mean, what's your price range? Is it Piquino Moss or is it animal? I mean, you know, more to work with here. There is a lot of like, though, I think there's a lot of hole in the wall.

Ask fair. I mean, like Apple Pan is kind of in that price category. It's a little, it's not that it's cheap, but it's like affordable. LA is good for burgers. I think LA has a nice tradition of burgers and doing burgers pretty well. Lot of great burgers. And I think the, you know, like a lot of the sort of roadside burger stand turned into the fast food car culture that a lot, that's all over America now.

You know, and look, and so many of those burger places that became nationwide institutions started out here. You're McDonald's, you're Carl's Juniors. Yeah. So when someone's coming to LA, I'd be like, you should get the McDonald's. How about that? How about you want some of this from LA? Have yourself a bite of McDonald's.

You know what, Nick? Yeah, I took Jack, which was just recently rated TripAdvisor's number one rated Pizzeria. Pizzeria Regina. Oh my God. I took Jack. Jack rolled his eyes. I took Jack to Pizzeria Regina.

We had it. It's like, it's good. It is good. It is good. I'm not going to set you off and say it's like, like I want Megan. Maddie's wife was like Megan Murphy. Megan Murphy.

She was like, it's like Sabarro. And I think that you are still furious about that. I got, I got so mad at that when she said it was like Sabarro. Yeah. It really, truly infuriated. It's not like Sabarro. It's not necessarily a restaurant, for example, that I would bring up every day of my life.

Sure. I would maybe mention every day. But, uh, but you know, it has a place, special place in your heart. I don't have much else to talk about. The, uh, what, what is it about? Like, help us understand. What is it about Pizzeria Regina that you find just so like,

from a pizza standpoint, what do they do so well? Jack has visited Quincy multiple times. It's good. It's true. They have a good, a nice sauce. It's a, it's a brick, brick oven pizza. I don't, I don't know. It's good.

It's just a good. Also that he went there when he was like a teenager. Right. Yeah, has memories of like a time when he was happy. Like we all do. Like everyone's like, I remember when I was happy. It's like, it just happens to be like when you were like 15 years old, right?

I didn't have to worry about all the money and shit. Like, oh, what I like about Pizzeria Regina is I didn't have bills, like when I eat there. Like, did you go to the original one in the north end? Of course. Yeah. Of course. And it's great.

I'd have to worry about all these pubes in my pants. The pressures of adulthood. Um, do you, uh, so let's, let's, let's, let's change topics real quick. Another place that originated out here in SoCal and I, and your favorite, one of your favorite restaurants, Jack, I admit, I know your favorite restaurant and the restaurant we visited, though only for breakfast on your, on your

original Doe Boys episode. Yeah. Taco Bell. Sure. Lots of, lots of developed in Taco Bell in the, in the two plus years. Hey, you know what's funny, Jack? True.

Is that, wow, this is his first time back on. Well, I did the Al Gore one. We did. He came on for a double. You know, we were very controversial double. They didn't like that one on the annual one. They didn't like an, they didn't like an inconvenient sequel.

They didn't like the inconvenient sequel episode that we did. I think you should go back and re-list the, oh, we made fun of Al Gore, which, which South Park does do, but like, I still think Al Gore is a little bit annoying, but he is right about global warming. Absolutely right about global warming, but that movie still is about him.

Like I've got to save the Paris Accord. It's like a silly movie to watch. It makes like in the, in the aftermath with like, you know, knowing the Coda, he's going to tack on that, that Trump could became president and withdrew from the Paris Accord. Don't put out the movie. It seems absurd.

Like, why am I, why did I watch all this? Yeah. Like, I don't know. All right. That's, that's, that's, yeah, that's fair. It's like if like the last Lord of the Rings ended with like a thing, like texts coming up being like, Sauron got the ring out of the lava and like took over

Mordor. Made my chest hurt. Plus Al Gore, I think, has had some issues with asking like, legit masseuses if they'd give him a happy ending, which is an underreported story. It is, it is. Very strange. Yeah.

Do you think I'm kind of like the Gandalf of the Dough Boys, Nick? How so? How so? I don't know. Old and wise and. I think, I think if Gandalf, instead of going up, went out. He's more white and tall.

I think of, I think of me, people in the past called me and Mitch Yogi and Boo Boo. But I like to think of us as obese Gandalf and Frodo. Yeah. Looking at the two of you in a picture, you assume that force perspective was employed. Such a height difference. The Palmerston is kind of like Hobbiton in a way.

Yeah. It's a fucked up little den where the guy never leaves and just has a mausoleum of everything he's ever owned. Plus, when you come in here, Mitch is usually singing songs while washing the dishes for like 10 minutes. There are like 16 bearded men who will like come and hang around. And I guess also like Bilbo, one last thing, people will show up unannounced.

Last week we'll show up unannounced and be like, I have an adventure for you, Mitch. To the strip club. Okay, Bugman, then he'll go by himself. Bugman has has come into my house, Kramer style before where he's just completely walked in and like shook his head like and then did like a weird like like shook his head or something.

Are you are you intentionally trying to beat Kramer? I've witnessed it. Yeah, it's strange and then and then just like immediately goes into a really intense breakdown of attack of the clone. How would you feel someone did that in your house? If someone just walked into my house? Yeah, I'd be perturbed.

I'd be like, what has happened? This is where you always take it in stride, which I'm amazed by. I'd people just walk into your house and you're all right. Like Bilbo, like Bilbo did not take it in stride. Actually, he was a little he was a little he still allowed it. Yeah, he allowed it. It's the custom of hobbits to allow that sort of thing. I'm a defender like Bugman of the Hobbit movies, too.

I think they're fun. I like the Hobbit movies. Yeah, they're good. They're they're they're bloated and over long. They should be like there should be like two two hour movies, not not like 12 hours over three movies. However long it is, it's so fucking long. It's interminable.

I never finished them. I actually didn't finish. I think I watched the first two and I never watched the third, the battle of five armies. That one's that one's good. The barrel chasing two is good. That's the battle tastes is cool. That's the coolest.

That's the that's the that's the high point. I think of the trilogy. Anyway, sorry to get you distracted, Nick. What? Who care? It's fine. This is great. This is good stuff.

Oh, all right. We're having a nice tangent convo here. All right. This is great. That's the kind of stuff people like. Right. I don't know. I want the ear wolf guys to like me.

I want the subreddit to like me. Subreddit like Jack. For fuck's sake. Give Jack some upvotes. Give him an upvote. You know, I think might get him on your side, Jack. I do an AMA. Yeah, maybe I'll do an AMA with the.

You sure? Wolfs of Reddit. You time it for after this episode's release. Go in there, do an AMA. See if people have any questions. Maybe I will. They, they, they, they like you. You're on there.

They don't even know they don't. They don't know if you don't like them. You don't, you don't know. That's what I have to say. I don't think that's really fair. I think they're like legitimate reasons not to like me. And I think I'm a controversial figure. I think there's a, you know, people have legitimate reasons.

If you owned a an improv theater. Sure. Sure. But although I say I have maybe, maybe we have legitimate beef with each other. Perhaps. Oh yeah. Okay.

Sure. Perhaps. That's fair. So Taco Bell. Do you have, what are you, what is your goat? Like a, how do you feel about any of the new menu additions to Taco Bell? Have you messed around with that, that King size chalupa? And also I just want to say,

do you remember when we did Taco Bell, what Nick gave Taco Bell? Wasn't it like a, yeah, right? Was it like a two or something? I give it a three fork and I've gradually added half forks to now. It's in the platinum play club. I've, I've gone on. Wait, is it five forks? I've given it five forks.

Okay. That happened a few episodes ago. I do feel like I did, I did it because I thought it would be like a nice moment. I thought you'd be happy and you were like mad at me. Yeah. Because it should have always been five. I think that probably it's just the tone of the podcast shifted in those earlier episodes. You're not sure what you're doing.

Are like, even I, when I'm coming on the show, I'm like, is this a celebration of fast food? Are we like going to be reviewing it? Like it's like fancy food or something. Like how were the reviews supposed to be? And I think it's very clear now that this is just a weird show where you say every fast food is really good. So like it makes a lot more sense to retcon it. So that Taco Bell, obviously if Taco Bell's a five and you probably gave like Keros a five or something like that.

Of course it makes sense that Taco Bell's enough being the platinum plate club. Carol's got, Carol's maybe didn't get, I think it's average maybe was like one four. Yeah. I think it might have been sub one fork. I think me and Aaron Whitehead gave it one fork and you gave it a half fork. It was, it was that puts it at really like a 0.8 something. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was terrible. That was the worst. Jack, um, oh, wait, shit. I just forgot what I was going to say. Whatever. We'll edit that out. So I look smarter. Tell us what your go to order is, Jack at Taco Bell.

So I really, I mean, I have, okay, there's a number of questions. There are a bunch of questions in there. I'm going to have to take them one by one. Please do. You asked if I mess with the newer menu items. I've had a couple of them. I did like the like double size chalupa or whatever. It's a little bit un, like Taco Bell has an issue already with being sort of eatable while driving a car.

A lot of the other fast food places I think are better for, you know, one-handed eating. And already with Taco Bell, you're dealing with tacos. You have to either turn your head or turn the taco. So I would say about the double-decker chalupa, while it's an interesting experiment, it's just a big boat of, it's like a bread bowl. Right. It's like a bread bowl and that's too much to be eating while in the car. I would probably recommend just get yourself two chalupas,

which are going to be difficult to eat anyway in the first place. Right. But my go to order remains similar. I have folded in the Doritos Locos tacos more often than not, because that is the Nacho Supreme one. The other ones I'm not that hot on. I agree with you. But yeah, I'll have the chalupa.

I like to add the nacho cheese to it, although I will say that the people that work at Taco Bell are less and less used to that order. And they're like, you know, do you want it on the side or something? They weren't there during the era when the nacho cheese chalupa was actually on the menu. Oh, right. Oh, wow. So they'll give you in a cup and you have to pour it on top. But yeah, I mean, chalupa, a taco or two,

perhaps a cheesy gordita crunch. And if I'm really feeling myself a Baja Blast. Baja Blast is a Baja Blast like is it's it's weird that it's almost like what the frosty is to one of these Baja Blast is to Taco Bell. It's weird. That's an interesting observation. And I think you're right. Yeah.

I think that's it's like a dessert specific drink to that specific drink. Drink is drink slash dessert treat. Yeah, to this chain. Yeah. I'm gonna want Taco Bell tonight, but a hundred percent. You can make that happen. You're an adult. We'll see.

But being an adult is also a good reason to not make it happen. That's because I got a good argument against doing it. Such is the difficulty of being an adult along with all the pubes in your pants. The pubic hair that you got in your pants there. We'll take a break. We'll be back with more dope. What you will. Welcome back to Doughboys.

Jack Allison is our guest. We're talking about El Torrito. Jack, another place that started out here in LA. Sure. In the LA environs. So what is the and I know that what the El Torrito we went to was one you went to a bunch as a kid. This is true. More generally, like what like when does your relationship with El Torrito begin?

How frequently were you? I mean, I think that as a child, like, you know, right where I grew up was the very El Torrito that we went to just last night. Yes. And as I said to you guys last night, I think one of the reasons why we went and we went often, like this was like when I was in elementary school, I feel like I went to El Torrito like once or twice a month, maybe maybe even three times a month. I think it's because it was the closest kids eat free place.

I think it was just a very solid kids eat free option. And I'll also say, I remember this was the early 90s. I would have been when I was going there or like early to mid 90s. When I was a young child. So I remember when it had a smoking section. Yes. The one we were at. It used to be half smoking section and my mom would go to the smoking section.

So I do remember like eating in an El Torrito like that was like Vegas. We're like everyone's smoking. It really was. Man, smoking. I'm just I just remember in Quincy going to restaurants with smoke. That's it's it blows my mind. Yeah, it's so strange. And you know, my mom was a smoker, but she always wanted to sit in the non-smoking

section for the kids. But it was like it's so it was such a weird era. And I think we were talking about last night that probably I don't know what the cutoff is, but maybe people born in 1990, 1995 are going to grow up in a world where there's no smoke. There were just never a smoking. Well, my wife, Kate was born in 90. And I feel like she has like no conception of there ever being a smoking section. I should mention also, by the way, because this is something she mentions on the morning

show with, you know, that I close with her and she says that you guys are sexist for not inviting her on the show here as a guest. Wow. It's just something that's been coming up. I don't necessarily even agree with that. That's quite an allegation. I think that's I think that's a little heavy to lay at you guys. But I said that I would bring it up on the show.

As I'm holding up a Jack AM pin. Jack the vote pin. He's got Jack the vote pin. Yeah. Well, look, I got nothing to say. Like you guys should take it up with Kate, but she's out there saying you guys are sexist. We'd love we'd love to have a Kate on. I think that blanket accusation is a little unfair.

All I have to say is that one particular guest. Weiger is sexist and she's right. I don't look at the guest, but I don't know if you've ever had women on the show or anything like that. But she's saying you're sexist. Jack, Jack, I like Jack's take on friends work. We talked about this just last night. Yeah.

Is that he doesn't watch or listen to any friends. I don't see it. I don't like it's like not that it's like you're it's better to have like a plausible that's like a better to not see it and like not have opinions about it. Because to be honest with you, most everything is going to be bad. And it's actually not the fault of like our friends who make it or whatever. Like I went in on fucking Sarah's show while I was mad at her about something else. But I went in on her about you about the show and even a sketch that you wrote on her show.

I was like posting stuff about that. I thought about that now. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. It could have been Nick's fault that the sketch was probably which sketch was this? Well, I was like I was when you did the one that was the president. Oh, yeah.

The president I was posting about that one. And I was like not being direct about it. But I was like I watched that sketch and I'm like, man, that is a really funny sketch. And I see such like so much wider stuff in there and there are jokes in it. But like, why does it have to have all this like this like, you know, educational show stuff in the middle? Like I'm like, I watched that and I'm like, and so I don't know. Like, I don't really like hold that to you.

You know what I mean? I'm not like, and so it's just better that I don't see it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I shouldn't have watched that fucking thing. I should have just like heard about it. And then I would be like, oh, there's some funny jokes in there. And I wouldn't be like, why didn't have all this like annoying shit in it or whatever. So like, I just shouldn't watch it.

I should not watch it and just be like, Nick's writing on that show. I don't have anything to say about it. So because you can't like, you can't lie and say you like something you didn't like. It's hard for me. Hard for you to do. It is hard for me to do. And like, I like, you know, used to be okay with it. But then it was just like, you're like blanket lying about everything.

Right. And I do think it's really weird. It's like a weird thing that exists in our industry that you just have to pretend that every piece of pop culture, every single TV and movie is good. Oh yeah. It's like bizarre. It twists your mind in weird ways. Like everybody all the time is being like, I love this.

It's like, nobody knows how they feel about anything. Well, also, you should, you should note to that. Like people who tweet out that they like something, then you know them and you know that they don't like it. I mean, I see that shit all the time. Yeah, that movie fucking sucks. Yeah. Then online the next day.

Wow, go see this movie. It's so inspirational. Congrats to that person in the movie. And so I'm like, with this stuff, I'm like, listen, like, you know, maybe it's just better. I don't want anybody's stuff. But I also don't think it's like good for the state of culture overall for everyone to never say that anything is bad

because they like maybe will work with them someday. Well, I think, I think there's, yeah, I get what you're saying. I think there's, there's maybe a line to walk with being polite. Where like you could be like not like directly that's what someone is doing. Yes. But, but say like, I wasn't for me. Yes.

But I always think for me, I'm like, I am like, I guess I'm like, is that not implied because like I am saying it? Like, do I have to be like, in my opinion, and this is not everyone's opinion, you know what? I mean, it's like, isn't it like when I'm just saying something, that is like, that's your opinion. You know what I mean? Like, do I have to like, I don't know.

But I am a huge fucking dick and there's no reason to do that. And like, I get mad about other things. And then I'm like online. And again, it's the way that the platform works. But you know, this is what it is. Look, let's cut to the chase here. The sketch was funny. But Nick, you wrote a bad sketch.

You're a bad, you're a bad writer. I think it was good actually, but it had a lot of stuff in it. It's stung. Too funny. This funny or die style, a funny or die style of political sketch writing has really stuck, has like really, really stuck. And I think the format kind of stinks, to be honest with you.

Well, what do you mean exactly? Like the idea that you've got like a strong political take that's like a through line? Well, not necessarily. I don't think that having a strong political take is a bad thing. I think that you can do sketches that don't, that aren't like insulting of the audience. Like I think that this funny or die style has this tendency

that it's like assuming that the people watching have no idea of anything that's being talked about. Sure. So there's these like asides. There's like these asides about like, but you know that like, established in 1945, like the like the statistics show that 45% of, I'm like, I would like to watch a comedy show

that maybe assumes that I know anything and just does comedy. I know what I mean. Like, I would like, you know, you can like assume that people know that the presidents aren't good without having like a Wikipedia article in the middle of the thing, you know, like, I don't know. I'm using your sketch, but like that is what my feeling is. That's why, and that's what I,

that's what I'll say is like the funny or die style of sketch writing. It's like, was this kind of like, like a PSA style of political sketch that now I think was originally being made literally as like, you know, campaign advertisements for Democrats. And now it's like seeping into things that are not campaign advertisements. Sure.

Just because it's like the house style. I get where Jack's coming from. I think that I, I would go back to Quincy when birthday boys came out and I won't say the exact person who said this, but like I go back and there was like this one guy who's like, hey, that birthday boy is like that sketch fucking like suck. There's one specific guy who I won't say who he was, but he was like, the fucking it's not funny.

Like, like he's like, I think you're funny, but it's not funny. Like, so I, yeah, so I don't say who it is, but his name rhymes with Hankton. That is not changed and changing would at least lie to me. Micah's is always someone who does tell me that he doesn't like stuff that I do all the time, but I think Micah's has some good takes. This is why I shouldn't watch everybody's stuff, because it is better to just not see it or whatever.

And again, Nick, I think you're a very funny guy. And I think even the sketch was funny. No, he's not that funny. Shut up. Do you, uh, have you seen Love? Misses show? No, I haven't. I haven't. I haven't. I really haven't.

That's why we were talking about this last night. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I watched an episode of Love. I watched an episode of Love and I was like, you know, there are jokes in this. I do think this is like a lot better than kind of like this genre, like this, you know, the like master of none kind of genre or whatever. I think it's a lot better than that.

I think Paul is a very funny guy. And I think that he did the diligence of like separating it from just being a fully autobiographical thing, like fucking, you know, crashing or like master of none or any of this kind of stuff. But I also knew after watching that first episode that I'm like, this is just not going to be my show. And I don't need to like watch it, you know what I mean?

And I like, I love Paul and I love mentioned everybody, but I'm like, this show is not like made for me, even in the first place. That's fair. I think that's fine. I truly do think it's fine. Yeah. I like, I don't, I don't care that much. Actually, I don't care if someone like watches something I've worked on. Right.

I don't have like a strong say. I would actually rather have people that are what I would love that the earwulf fans to watch and listen to stuff that like, I truly actually, I'm like, I don't need like other comedian people watching stuff. That's not actually who you're trying to make stuff for. You know what I mean? Jack on Jack on Jack a.m.

This is this is a slight cut, but I just remembered it. Did you call us athletes this morning? Well, I did say because we went to we went to El Torrito last night and man, like the amount of food you have to put back to do this show. And I do say have to, I'd say have to. I'm like this morning I woke up and my body is wracked. Like I'm fucked up this morning. My heartburn was like totally terrible.

And so yes, I said on the morning on the show, I'm like, I have to say like those guys like that they are doing this to their bodies like this often. Like you guys are like athletes. Like you are doing something that I think people don't give. I think people don't maybe give enough credit to the physical toll of this show. Right. It's it's last night was last night was crazy.

We went a little over the top. Well, let's get into the food you got. By the way, I'll just say real quick. My I went to El Torrito like Jack a SoCal native went to El Torrito a lot. I don't know if it was quite once a month, but it was it was a thing that we would frequent the great Sunday brunch that I'd love to go to as a kid. I remember my grandma liked it.

So yeah, it was it was a place we'd go to for family dinners. Quite a bit actually went there with my parents on my 18th birthday. Wow. They put a came a man at El Torrito came a man at El Torrito. Were you reading a penthouse at the table during the meal smoking a cigarette? They put a they put a some probably problematic sombrero. And then saying the their their Spanish language, happy birthday song, whatever we heard last night, which we heard last night like six times a lot of birthdays.

But we got a we got a lot of food and Mitch had you been to El Torrito before? I have never been. El you've never been. I've been to the grill version though. I've been to I think I've been to the grill version. I've been to aquapoco like at like places that are like kind of similar aquapoco is bad in comparison to El Torrito same same owner. Yeah.

Oh, is it? Exactly. Same owner. But that place had a hard fall. I feel like aquapoco. Yeah, I thought it fell off the place the face of the year. I don't even know if they even exist anymore. But we start off and we sit down and we we got some chips and salsa.

That's the first thing they get you there. You know, I think they've got good chips and salsa and they they give you lots of refills. Oh, yeah. The refills were nonstop. Yeah. The salsa was actually spicier for like a for a what's it? Pico de gallo kind of yeah, like a tomato salsa. It was spicier than I thought it would be for like just kind of like a general chips and salsa.

They give up free. Well, you know, I think also they do they bring out the salsa in different colored cups. Yeah. But I think it's all the same salsa. The cups color seems to indicate the heat intensity, but it's not not really the case. There was yeah, because there was ones in red cups and I said to Jack, I was like, is this spicier than Jack was like, I think it is just in your head because it's a red cup. Yeah, I think it's just red.

Yeah, it's just a red cup is all that. And I think you're right because then the next round they switched out the black salsa cup. There's a black cup and a red cup. They switched out the black cup for an orange one. I'm like, what are they bringing out a medium right now? A medium salsa. But it was I don't think so either. I think that it was the same coming from the same salsa bin.

Be a not a bit of psychological torment. Heat intensity. Salsa is one of the six, but Nick as a bit of a heat seeker as you are. It's a little spicy salsa. I didn't. I mean, just a hint of heat. I didn't find it too spicy. I'm really a heat.

It's more. It's more of a it was closer to a medium salsa than a mild salsa. And yeah, and for for a I think that was a medium salsa. Yeah, I think so. I think like a medium minus mild plus sort of you a little bit of spice in there. But just a little bit of spice in there. I think that you can really. I think you can judge.

I really do think you can judge a Mexican restaurant by its chips and salsa. I but and these and these this the chips and salsa here are good. They're not the best, but they're their quality there. The chips are hot. They're making them and they're making them in the back there. So that's a that's always a fresh fresh is a huge plus. Yeah, absolutely. And then we got the we got the you know, let's talk about our beverages real quick.

Sure. I got myself the spicy mango margarita, which it came in a tall skinny glass, a very, you know, vibrant orange mango color served by Chris Catan. I mean plausible. He's doing yeah the and a little bit of a of a spicy salt around the rim and plausible. He's doing fine. You made the joke that he's not doing fine.

He said he's doing fine afterwards. If I had to salvage it for a man who's had a hundred times the career success I kind of take a shit on him is kind of a low blow. He's our McDonald's guest. We got Catan for McDonald's. This is a bombshell. This was this was good. You know, it's it was a little a little melted popsicle sweet, a little too a little too sweet for me.

But you know, and the amount of booze was very, very slight. And I think they might have put like a half ounce of there wasn't it wasn't a very strong drink. But you know, that's that's that's the point of some of these cocktails. They're not meant to be strong drinks. They're meant to be like a fun thing for mom. And the heat was was fine. I actually don't really love spicy drinks, even though I let even though I am something of a heat seeker,

I think that a spicy beverage doesn't quite work when you're sucking it down a straw. I don't know if I like spicy beverages either. I don't I don't need to have a spice drink. Yeah, it's weird. A drink is like it's cool. It's it's refreshing and cooling you off. I don't I don't need it to be hot. Right, Jack.

I don't know because I've never really put a lot of thought into it, but I do enjoy occasionally a nice spicy drink. Like I think I'll have a spicy jalapeno margarita, and I'm like a little bit of spice and I like it a bloody Mary with a little spice to it. Okay, I guess you're right. You're right. Bloody Mary. I can get on board jalapeno margarita.

I'm less. I'm less of a fan. I don't mind them. I think they're you know, I don't mind them, but I think I'd rather not. I'd rather do something when your nose is stuffed up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I think when it's like a stingy and when it's like habanero tequila or whatever,

like infused. That's a little bit much that that's too much to me. That's that's all of it. If it's if it's like genuinely spicy. No, I don't I don't I don't like that. You don't want to seem like you're sucking down a bottle of tapatio. Like you want to add some flavor to it. Well, you guys got both got the strawberry Cadillac margaritas.

Yeah, I'm pretty good. Pretty good margarita. Sweet. I would say sweet like yours, but I could taste the booze in it. Oh, I thought it was a little stronger than. Yeah, that Nick is describing his. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was it was good and it gives you a little.

They they give you a little side car little side shot. Yeah, a little side shot of what is it of like a sweet tequila. It was like an aperitif kind of right. Yeah, a little sweet. Yeah, that was maybe a little bit of triple sec. Is that what you had? It's like something like that. I don't know what it was.

It was a liqueur. I have no idea. Sometimes those those Cadillac marks, though, that's what that that that little shot on the side will be the triple sec. They either pour in there or shoot. Then I think it was probably the triple sec. Yeah, that's what he told us to do was either pour it in or shoot it. Yeah, your your discretion.

I like to you know, actually, I think I do like to shoot it because it's it's fun to just take it down that way. And then you have a chaser with it with the needle. If an insulin syringe fill up with a straight triple sec. Yeah, I thought those I had a little sip of jacks. And it was it was pretty good. It had good flavor to it. Yeah, it was nice.

Yeah, I thought it was nice. I think ours was sweeter than yours. I like mine better than yours. I like mine better than yours. I like yours better than mine as well. Yeah. And then we got into the apps. We got the fresh table side guacamole.

This is that they they mean it when they say fresh table side. They bring some avocados out there to be fresh. They mash them up. They throw in some chilies. They throw in some herbs and spices and some tomatoes. And then we also got the grande fiesta platter, which is Mexico City floutas. Yeah, tomatoes.

I said tomatoes, floutas, nacho supremos, buffalo chicken tenders, which are weirdly out of place and a cheese quesadilla. Good. But good. Let's let's start with that table side guac. The guy was a pro making it. It was it was quite a shot.

There is one thing we did go a little bit back and forth on whether we should do medium or hot. Right. And we had a little bit of, you know, just communication on that. Yeah. And so I think that we ultimately said hot. Then we said medium.

He said to do medium. And Mitch told me that ultimately he just saw him put in all the jalapenos anyway. So I don't know if it mattered. There was a little dish of jalapenos, which had that many, which I think I think to me was the idea of whether it would be medium or hot. Yeah.

And he yeah, he poured the whole thing into the bowl. Yeah. He squeezed the lime in there. He did. He made a great show out of it. He was great. He was great. It was it was a little mini Benihana demo.

Yeah. He put he put in the tomatoes. Safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did. I remember the moment when he tossed in the tomatoes,

he was like, and now of course the tomatoes have to go in. Do you know Jack and my landlord and Jack, Jack, Jack lived here. We think that he doesn't know how to spell tomorrow. Oh yeah. That is true. He told me this a couple of times. He sent it and it's like rent is due and it's T-O-M-A-R-R.

Tamaro. Tamaro. And like it's multiple times this guy sends Tamaro. He says Tamaro. Like this is an older man. This is a man in his like 70s or 80s, right? Is there a language barrier here? No.

No. No. Maybe like a rich white guy lives in a house up there. Like this is a guy maybe who's his whole life. He doesn't know how to spell tomorrow. Boy, I'm glad we prop 10 did not pass and protect the income of all these fucking property owners. Tomatoes reminded me of it though.

I just have a lot of money. I mean, you know, maybe when he was growing up in the 50s, it was like, like Tamaro. There was a time when it was spelled like that. Things were different back then. There's a lot of different word spellings, spelled tomorrow with an A and without a W. It's not like it's not like old English,

where like there were all different words and like they was like F swear. T-H is supposed to be in shit like he still. He texts me Tamaro all the time. Tamaro. Odd guy. Bananas. Anyways, back to the tomatoes.

That guac was great. It's really, really good. Oh, and he squeezes a bunch of lime in there. I mean, just like the fact that it's fresh makes such a huge difference. It's really tasty. It's dynamite. I was going to say, it seems easy to make guacamole.

Like the way it is easy. He made it look very easy to make guacamole. It is easy. It's not that hard. You have to get fresh avocados. You can't just let them rot forever. But yeah, if you have an avocado, you just mash it up with like spoons like he did.

Yeah, I'm never going to do it. The Grande Fiesta platter I thought was hit and miss. They'll mostly hit. The Buffalo Chicken Tenders, weird, really had no connection to, not even an attempt at making them like Mexican at all. They were just straight up Buffalo Chicken Tenders. Not available outside of the platter.

You can only get them as an element of the platter. That is very strange. So it's the most secret item. It's the deepest item at El Perrito that you can uncover. And I got to say this. We've had Buffalo Strips at so many restaurants now. They were good. They were some of the better ones we've had.

They were on the better side. I was going to say of the appetizer platter, the king of the appetizer platter, the app to put your little crown on would be the quesadilla. That quesadilla was great. Great quesadilla. I like the, what were those little? Torta, flota.

The flotas. I like the flotas more than you guys do. I don't think they were bad. I didn't love the flotas. I thought they were just a little like, they were just a little dense and oily. They're just deep fried. And they're deep fried.

But you know, they've got like the, the flota has that, you know, that, that tortilla shell that's just like soaked in oil. Too much shell, I think, on their flota. I think a little too much shell. All right, so Nick, you had the problem of, you dipped it in the sweet and sour sauce, which wasn't supposed to be in there, right?

No, that is what it's meant to. Because I checked on the menu what the sauces are supposed to be paired with. It's jalapeno jelly. We didn't know what it was. It just looked like a little sweet and sour, like a little cup of syrup. They're not jalapeno in there.

No jalapeno in there at all. You remind me of the Bronco jelly. Jalapeno jelly. That's what they said that dip and sauce was. That's not accurate. Remind me the Bronco berry dip and sauce or Marby's, just a very strange dip and sauce. And it did not work with the floutes.

It just, it was just adding sweetness to something that didn't need it. The nachos like that were pretty good. You know, I don't know. It's weird because you get like six nachos. They were good. They're good. I wonder, I wonder what they would be like

if you got the regular plate of nachos. I think it would be better. Maybe they'd be better. The nachos weren't standouts for a Mexican food restaurant. I thought there was a weird bean pit. Well, they had a pit of beans. I think that's for presentation, to keep the nachos held and affixed to that position.

I think, you know, I look at the nachos and I'm like, I think that a big part of making nachos is like you have to put it on the plate and like let it melt onto the plate. That's why the plate's always a hot plate. So it might be hard in a platter situation to make the nachos that you otherwise, you know, wish that you could.

A huge boat platter. This thing was really long. Big, literally the size of like a skateboard. It was so big. It took up so much real estate on the table. It was the Gandalf of platters. No, you're Paul. No, Nick, you actually,

a skateboard is the perfect way to describe it. It was huge. And then we got the, then my Mexican Caesar salad arrived. Now, this is one thing that I always get El Torrito. It's one of my favorites. Since when I was a kid, it was like the only salad I liked. The dressing is really good.

It's got the cilantro-papita dressing that's kind of like a, it's kind of like a caesarean dressing, but it's got like, you know, it's got some more herbs to it and it's got some, what seems like, and I know it's not this because it's cilantro-papita,

but it seems like an avocado creaminess. It's like, it's got this green color to it. It's really good. They've got the papitas in the salad itself, cotilla cheese, romaine lettuce. It's a great salad. It's like one of my favorite side dinner salads and it absolutely is a nice,

one of the lighter things you can get in an El Torrito. You know, I gotta get cotilla cheese for around the house. Cotilla is one of the like, the ones that like, I think is one of the better cheeses. Yes, but you just don't have it around ever.

I gotta get cotilla. I love, I like the salad too. I did have a bite of your salad. It reminds me a lot of the, I think they used to have a dollar salad at El Pollo Loco like that, that I used to like to get. I think that was a rip off of this salad.

And that's fine. I understand why they did it. Parallel thinking could be parallel thinking. I'm not going to give El Pollo Loco that much credit. You know my, I love cotilla cheese too, and I think it's good on. I don't think it's good when places try to make it the cheese like the cheese.

That's supposed to be a hot cheese and a burrito or something. Sure. It's not a melting cheese. It's not, it's not a throw it on top. It's not a glue cheese. Sure, I can't not a glue. That's what you use beans for. The bean mold, the bean paste that holds everything together.

If you have a burrito and you want some sort of molding, like a something to hold it together, you need, you need some. Monterey Jack. You need some other sort of cheese. Right. What kind of cheeses are used typically in Mexican food? I was about to say, what is the, what is a burrito cheese? I feel like you'll, you'll get your cheddar usually.

Like I'd say, you know, it's, it's something like that. How about cheddar? I think it's like a white, maybe a white. Maybe a white cheddar. It's not cheddar though. I feel it's like. I don't think it's cheddar either. It might be more Jack.

Oh well. I mean, you'll see, you'll see cheddar come up in, not like in authentic places, but you see it on, on Mexican menus. That's true. So then we got our entrees. We all, and Mitch, this was a new rule that you established and that I think we will abide by.

Do you want to tell us, tell everyone what it is? New dough boys rule. If you're, if you eye something on the menu, you really want to get it. It turns out someone else is getting it. Then you still get it and you enjoy yourself. Yeah. We don't have to make a conscious effort to get different things.

We can all get the same thing. And that's what we did. That's, we all got the same thing. We all got the exact same item in solidarity with the dough boys. I wanted to also get the same item to show how much I believed in the new rule. So we got the carne asada and enchilada.

And so what I did is dorky thing where you ordered the salad and did one different thing. But we'll talk about it. I wanted the salad. I like this. That's one of my favorite things there. I know. This is going against the rule what I'm saying right now.

You, you should get what you want. I thought I didn't get what I want. I shouldn't, I don't, this is the opposite of the spirit that I'm saying is that I'm getting something. If we're getting the same thing, we have to get the exact same thing. That's not the reason the rule exists. I made the rule up.

You don't know the spirit of the rule. You don't know the bylaws of the rule, the secret hidden A, B, C, and D of the rule. New rule. Get what you want. Don't let anyone tell you what to order. Bill Maher. You know, I was a page on the Bill Maher show on,

on a, and I'll say this. Yeah. Do you know in the beginning, like for the longest time with a, on real time, they show this thing where like a guy was protesting and Bill Maher's junior was like, get him out of here. Like, do I have to go down there and get him out myself? And he'd walk down and got the guy out.

I was there that night. I was working there that night and we're told that you can't do that. Like, like, so he was like yelling at us for a thing that you can't do where he's like new pages, new pages. Get them out of here. And like, we're told we can't do that.

And then he like went down there and did it himself. It was 21 year old interns making 50 bucks a day. Go physically grab this crazy security guard. So, so the carne asada and enchilada combo is what we got. You get a skirt steak, it's marinated in chili de arbol, or adobo, I mangled that. And you get with it, you get a cheese enchilada and tomato jalapeno sauce.

It comes with rice, beans, guacamole, warm tortillas. I went corn, you guys went flour. A good dish. You know, the thing is, it's such a thin piece of steak. We all got it cooked medium rare that it's, you know, it's hard to get that to temperature. It's just such a thin piece of meat. It was a little overcooked in spots, but it very tasty,

very flavorful and a huge plate. A lot of food. Yeah, a lot of food. I want to say actually, just going back to earlier in the meal, please, I think they give too many fucking, they give way too many chips actually. Because I was like not hungry at all. Like even, I know that we ate a lot and we had,

but even like when we were just doing the chips and salsa, like they're a little too quick with them. They should be more, they should be more conscious of like, oh, these boys have a meal coming up. Like they, they shouldn't maybe give you everything that you want. Because, you know, by the time I go to the meal, it's like less pleasurable because I eat too many chips. I wonder about the economics of Mexican restaurants,

because they are basically giving an appetizer away for free. And apps are big money makers for sit-down restaurants. You, like, I wonder, but then if they didn't offer it, people would be like, what the fuck? Where are my chips? Because there's an expectation for it. It's kind of a, it's kind of a, like, it just did a little extra cost in that sector.

Well, I mean, I think that it's probably not like a huge cost to them, except maybe in, you know, spent, lost opportunity. I mean, maybe we would have each ordered a dessert, you know, if it were for all those chips coming out and everything like that. I'll say also that when I ordered the carne asada and cheese enchilada, I thought it was going to be one carne asada and cheese enchilada, but it was, it is a whole thing of carne asada. It's a big, it's a big portion on the side.

Yeah, it's a big portion. On the side, you know, it was good. This meal was too much for me. It really put me back. Like it made me feel like it was too much food, actually, to eat all this food. It was, it was a lot of food after, after that app. Like, so we got the carne asada, the big, a pretty sizable piece of steak.

Yes. You got the cheese enchilada in, what did we say that sauce was? Almost kind of like a brownish. It was like a cheese and, you know, but it was almost like, it was like a red, but almost close to mole. It was like a darker sauce. Yeah, it's an adobo sauce. A double sauce.

Okay. Thank you. And then rice, the beans and the little, Nick, the thing that you liked, the little corn, the corn cake is great. The corn cake. It's a little bonus dessert. You get like a little, a little tiny, like half ice cream scoop of, of just, you know, this sort of minced up yellow cake.

Corn. Yeah, it's corn. It's, but it's, it's, it's, it's just got a little bit of sweetness. It's great. That was my go-to as a kid. That's why I'd scoop up first. So they're handing out a free appetizer and a free dessert at this point. If I'm, if I'm, you know, undercover boss, if I'm the fixer or whatever,

right, the profit, that's the first thing I'm cutting. You know, I'm saying, get rid of the free appetizer and free dessert. Yeah. Taffer's going in there. You're throwing money off the window. What do you think? First basket of chips and salsa free. And then after that, a dollar, a dollar.

That'd be very funny for a Mexican restaurant to do. Like I've, I've added in the second time they came over and they're like, just so you know, they will be a dollar per chips from them. I think people would be enraged, but I think they were upfront. I think if you went up there and were like, would you like chips and salsa for a dollar? I think most tables would say yes. And then you get an extra dollar on the bill.

I don't know. They should do it like one of those restaurants where they come over and say what the concept is. Like when the waiter comes over, the concept here is that we're trying to reduce the number of chips that people eat before the meal. Right. So part of our thing is we charge you for the, for the chips. Also, we do small plates.

Do you know what, do you know what tapas is? Yeah. I know what tapas are. They've been explaining what tapas are for 15 years. New rule. Don't tell me what tapas are. So you get along great with him. Trying to get on his writing staff.

So I met a guy once when I went to a WGA thing. There's a guy, he's like, I'll write for the Bill Marshall. And I was like, hmm, I think it was at that meeting. You started, you started trouble. I won't go into that. I started some trouble at this WGA meeting. The beans, I don't know. I don't love their beans.

I love more of a like a, like a traditional refried beans. These are more like that. They're kind of that soupy whole beans in there. A nice taste to them, but come on. Yeah, I would rather get that. It's already, it's already not healthy. So what do we do in here with these beans? But the rice is nice.

They give you a lot of guac. Ooh, the rice is nice. Huge portion of everything. Tortillas, I think are, are, you know, they come out in a little warming container, which is good. The flower tortillas, which Jack and I got, the better tortillas. I'm a corn guy. Well, you know, it's healthier.

Corn, I think is like a better one for you. It's got a little bit more fiber in there. And neither of mine I think is great for you. But yeah, it's whatever. It's up to you. I don't care if you, if you like corn or flour. I do. New rule.

You have to like flour. I think flour tortillas are, are superior to corn. I think that people who are, who are... I mean, but then you go to Guizados and they're doing a really nice elevated corn. That's a great call. So it's just all about where you get the tortillas. That's fair.

That's fair. That's fair. I went to Salazar this afternoon, which is better than El Torrito and similar Mexican food. And I was like, the tortillas there are very good. It's very good flour. That's a good flour tortilla. So you should try that one out, Nick.

Maybe you'll be able to change your mind. I've had lots of great flour tortillas. I like them both. Both are fine. All right, relax. The both sides, the whole tortilla issue. Great entree. I'll get to dessert in one second, but it was about here in the meal

that Mitch revealed something that was news to both you and me, Jack. And we both... What a shock. We've known him for years. I thought I know the whole, every tale. Mitch is his own little bard. He goes, he tells like every tale of his life. Mitch, do you want to let everyone know what the secret was that you disclosed?

Sure. When I was a boy, I did some fashion shows. I was a little boy model. So this came up because I mentioned we were very near... We were at my childhood El Torrito. I mentioned I had to do Cotillion nearby at a place that's now in El Paquito Moss. Right. Jack had to do ballroom dancing.

Which is like, I had to go do ballroom dancing and Mitch was like, I had to do something like that. My mom made me do like independent fashion shows. My mom made me do like little... It was like walking the runway. Walking on the runway shows. I walked a runway. I did...

What in the world? I was in like a Macy's or Jordan Marsha... Before Macy's maybe even existed, like Kylene's Basement or something. And I was in a little red suit. I did a fashion show. I got up on stage. Were you a young Santa? Did they...

Before you watch... You walk the catwalk, did they reinforce it? This is me. This is very thin. This is the thinnest I ever was. And then my mom, I remember... I mean, we talked about this too, but my mom was like, do you want to continue to model or do you want to like hang out with your...

Or do you want to hang out with your friend, Justin? I was like, I want to hang out with Justin, my best friend from Quincy. Why were those the options? Because she was like, oh, if you model, like it's going to take up time. Oh, okay. You're not going to be able to maybe have as much free time. Just putting it in kid times. Hey, that's a good mom thing.

That's a great mom thing. She asked me to do it. She didn't force you to do it. Yeah. Yeah, I auditioned for Dennis the Menace when I was a boy. Did you know this? The movie? For Mr. Wilson?

My grandpa does... My grandpa does look like... What's his name from Grumpy Old Men? Who's... Walter Mathau? Walter Mathau. My grandpa did look like Walter Mathau, but I auditioned for Dennis and Dennis the Menace.

They had like a nationwide search and you went to the Boston auditions? I went to the auditions in Boston. I did. That's crazy. This is true. Do you remember your lines? No, fucking way. I probably didn't know them then.

I probably fucked up terribly, but I did a little... I did a little model fashion show. Wow. Nick, let's say what you said is that you were shocked I was never fucked as a child. Well, I didn't put it in those terms. You said that...

Yeah, okay, good. I said as a... I said, as someone who was a... worked in child modeling and also was a devout Catholic, you dodged two bullets. I wasn't really like a devout Catholic. It wasn't like I was a super Catholic boy, but I mean, I guess...

You like believe in God. You're more devout Catholic than anyone I know in my entire life. I do believe in God, but that's like... I'm sure that other people even of my friends who were raised more Catholic think that's stupid, but you're right. I guess the bad guy from Spotlight Cardinal Law was at my... He was at my confirmation. I dodged a few...

I guess I dodged some bullets over time. And you walked the runway there. It was strange of them. You're lucky you were a bad looking child. So our dessert was the deep fried ice cream. But you know what? I'll put up a picture of what I'll find them on. You were a good looking, you know, young boy.

Well, hold on. He's a blonde-haired young man. You're still handsome. You did look like Dennis the Manus. But you were a toe-headed little cute boy. Yeah. You actually were a dead ringer for Dennis the Manus. Absolutely.

I'll show you guys the picture and then we'll post it online. I have a picture of basically what I wore when I did the runway. While you're bringing that up, the deep fried ice cream was a dessert. Vanilla ice cream, cinnamon sugar coating with Chipotle chocolate sauce and whipped cream. I mean, this I had as a kid because I remember just being like, Oh my God, deep fried ice cream. Like my mind was blown. And I remember loving it.

Having it now, a very good dessert. Very heavy. It's insanely heavy. It's good. It's one of these things where it's like, Yeah, I agree. It's like, it's a novelty that it's deep fried. I've had deep fried ice cream, deep fried like peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Sure. A lot of times I'm like, you know, I think the other it's a little bit of a novelty. This was a very, it was a tasty dessert, but I'm like, perhaps, you know, a flan might have been better. Probably. Or just like a chocolate cake. The supplementary, because the breading on it doesn't really hold up as you start to dig into it with a spoon or fork, but they give you the supplementary like cinnamon,

this like fried cinnamon dough or on the outside that you can kind of put the ice cream on and that works nicely. It's good. Pretty good dessert. I thought the stuff that came with it, I thought the actual breading to the ice cream tasted like a little like weirdly stale or something. Sure. Once it was fried, I thought everything else though with it was, was good.

Yeah. I was too full at that point. I like it's too much. Like again, my thing comes back to they shouldn't have given me so many chips at the beginning. And then maybe I would have enjoyed the ice cream better. So I can get behind that. Yeah, I was, I was, I was completely stuffed at this point. What do they expect us to exhibit self control?

I know. I mean, you know, I need somebody to do that for me. I expect I want a nanny restaurant. That's what I want. Sir, I think you'll spoil your appetite. But you're still finding this photo while he's doing that. Let's get to our final thoughts. I don't even, I don't even know if I'll get up before the show's over.

So yeah. All right. Well, let's get to our final thoughts. Jack, you've been on the show before, but just a refresher. We will, since I know you don't listen to the show, since you don't take in any of your friends. I'm on a text message shame with you guys. Yeah.

I'm like, I need to do this like on like my off time. Like I hear you guys like bickering over this stupid bullshit like all the fucking time. Like this show, especially I shouldn't listen to. I think it's good. I don't think you should listen to it. No one should listen to it. No, I do think people should listen to it because you guys are funny guys, but I just don't like need to listen to the podcast to have access to your sort of bickering and stuff.

Okay. Hear that. You should listen to the fucking like Jack AM show. That would be wild if you guys were waking up every morning to watch that. I do tune in to Jack AM probably more than people think. I've seen some Jack AM, but I haven't made it a part of my routine. Well, maybe you should.

Maybe I go back on it now. You guys should both be watching Jack AM. So you will sort of give a closing argument, a summation of your thoughts in El Torrito and this experience, all past experiences and give it a rating from zero to five forks. Yeah. You'll go first, Jack. Yeah. So, you know, I do have a long history with El Torrito.

And I think that in the pantheon, I think it's actually similar to Taco Bell in that, you know, we, there are, there is good real Mexican food. Right. And then there is good, then there is false Americanized Mexican food. And if you want to be, you know, if you want to be a totalitarian about it, you can say none of the American like fake Mexican food is good. But I think that some of it is good. And I do think that El Torrito is like on the upper end of sort of the fake Americanized,

you know, Mexican food. There's few too many chips. But I guess I think that that, you know, plays into the Americanized nature of it. You know what I mean? Right. It's a little like, it's like, I don't even think it real Mexican restaurants. They bring the chips. It's like a Gladstone's with the peanuts.

It's like a gimmick or something with the chips. But I, you know, I have a lot of like fond memories of El Torrito and, you know, that they've then they've been able to stick it out and stay sort of like, I actually liked going to this El Torrito that we went to because it had not converted into an El Torrito grill. This was a non modernized, very sort of 90s lunch, you know, cafeteria style. This is for birthday parties kind of place. It looks like it looks like a mission inside.

Yes. It's very shaky, very shaky in there. So, you know, it's not the best food in the world. They give you way too many chips. But I have a fond place in my heart for it of nostalgia. So it's going to be a five forks from five forks from Jack Allison. Wow. Very good score.

I'll go and then Mitch, you'll the first timer your your maiden voice El Torrito. You'll close us out. Wow. I wonder, I wonder, that's a good score. I wonder where you're going to go, Nick. I have, I like Jack. I have a lot of fond memories of El Torrito been a bunch of times. First place I ever had.

What is that stew that's got stomach inside the stomach in it? What is it? The one that's made? Yeah, but try it, but there's a specific stew. Minuto, first place I ever had a minuto. Do they do it with tripe there? They do it with some sort of I just remember it being like this is we I thought it was weird and slimy, but I kind of liked it.

But they had it at the at the breakfast buffet on the Sunday. But and you know that but I really love Mexican food. Mexican food is my favorite food like Jack. I agree with I agree completely with what you're saying that it is an Americanized version of Mexican food, but it's well executed. It is as the chain was conceived. A chain like Taco Bell made by a white man who used the recipes of his of Mexican cooks to try to expand Mexican food and make it popular among white Americans hero.

It is it is Mexican food by white by a white guy for white people. And in terms of doing that, I think it succeeds. I think it succeeds quite well. The birthday I had there by 18th birthday went to the San Diego Zoo. I went to the then with my parents and then we went to El Torrito afterwards. I had a blast. Were there any friends there? No, it was the three of us.

My mom and dad were there. But did any friends go to the zoo? I mean, I made friends with the animals. What birthday was this 18th? Jesus Christ. I had a great time. But one of my one of my favorite birthdays. I and and I just like I have that memory is attached to it.

This last experience that was really good for the food was really good. I still don't go there with the one in Santa Monica with that at least sometimes because it's a good solid restaurant. It is a good chain version of this kind of food. You know, if you're in LA, maybe El Cholo is like the slightly better version of this that's specific just to LA. But if you're in California at large or the West Coast at large, I think El Torrito is a good option.

For that reason, I've rambled a little bit. But for that reason, I am going to land on a four fork score. Wow. Wow. Mitch, your turn. Look, Nick, I text you the picture. I look I I I love places like this. When I was a boy and Mexican food was felt very foreign to me when I when I was first

going I would go with my godmother who I talked about earlier and my godfather and their family, Neil Kiley, who owns the Fat Cat great restaurant at Quincy Jack's been there. Good wings. Yeah. That's great Regina pizza too. Virginia pizza is also go to Fat Cat before you go to Regina Pizza. What I like about this place that we that we didn't talk too much about is just the

just even the the feel and look of of the place which right touched on a little bit. But like is it like is it a is it Adobe? Is it what is the style of like the like the like the old just a restaurant style? I think they call it like a like a ranchero style restaurant. It kind of feels like it like if you go to one of the missions in California, it kind of feels like the interior of that if you go to Santa Fe, all the buildings. Oh, sure. They're all Adobe.

Yeah. Yeah. And and and like the the kind of brown floors and the and the big brown like big wooden chairs. I I love I love a great Mexican restaurant like that. When I was a boy, I didn't I I didn't appreciate the food. I was afraid to eat it. And then as I grew into adulthood, I loved it. And this place doesn't it does a great job with it.

Is it my favorite Mexican restaurant in LA? No, no, but there's a that's a hugely high set bar right now. I don't have. I don't have a like a big experience with this place. I love Piquito Moss. It's Piquito Moss. I think is maybe I don't want to spoil the score, but it's it's it's definitely in the Golden Play Club.

If not Platinum Play Club, go crazy. I mean this this place you done Piquito Moss before we've never done. Are you saying you didn't want to spoil the score you gave it before God? No, I mean either way. It's lame when I said was bad. There's always a there's always a spot in my heart for a place like this. The food was good. I had a really good time that the table side guacamole was great.

I got to go for forks. Nick I for forks. Wow. It was it was my first experience. I'll say this yes. It was one of the most stressful drives to get there and driving and trying to find a parking spot because it was still kind of it was hugely big inside and there was and there were not and there were still open tables, but it still kind of felt like it was not

like a slow night or anything massive footprint like to like two of the old pizza huts stuck out gigantic huge. I don't know how best buy. I don't I don't know how they'll do in the future or whatever, but like like is this a place that's going to close soon? I don't know. Well, I don't know. I saw someone when I was waiting for Nick to arrive.

I saw someone arrive with a door dash bag and I was like interesting. There's the future of El Torrito there. They're on the door dash app. Very interesting, but it was it was hard to even get a parking spot out front. It was it was it seemed like it was still people were still enjoying that place. Like we said, we heard three birthdays going on there. It's just it's just a class. It's one of those maybe eighteenth birthdays.

Maybe there was a kid there with his mom and dad and no one else. But a classic just a classic Mexican style restaurant. It was it's I had a good I had a great time with two good friends. Oh, there you go. Well, let me do. There you go. Golden Plate Club for El Torrito. Wow.

Congratulations. Mitch has texted me the pick of him as a child model. Yeah, I've seen this in his home. I've seen it in his home when I visited. Yeah, that's that's that's what you look very dapper. You're wearing like a turtleneck. You've got like a plaid vest and a nice little red blazer on top. I look similar to the the the child who comes back from the dead in in a in pet cemetery.

Hey, that was our review of El Torrito. It's time for a segment. It's a roundup of Thanksgiving snacks. Well, we've just got one snack. It's an Easter edition of Seasons Eatings at Easter. Okay, I copied the wrong thing. Let me take that again. Easter.

Hold on. I'm going to take that again. Thanksgiving edition. Did you read Easter? I copy pasted the wrong copy. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. We are leaving some of this in because that is insane.

I copy pasted the wrong thing. I didn't realize it. You copy pasted Easter and then I just read it without thinking. We've got a Thanksgiving snack. It's a Thanksgiving edition of Seasons Eatings. It's a much better copy. There's no. And this isn't even Thanksgiving music.

Well, that is the official theme song of Seasons Eatings. Whatever time of year. Mama Cita, Donde Esta, Santa Claus, as covered by the band Guster. So here's what we've got. You song, we sent you far and wide to try and track down the 7-Eleven Thanksgiving chips, which you could not find. So we have a compromise. Yeah, you fucking failed.

Well, hold on a second here. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that.

I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that. You song. I'm going to side with you song here. How many places did you song have to go for you song? Say how many 7-Elevens you went to? I have at least talked to or visited at least like 10 or 10, 7-Elevens. And I was on their business line for a while just to see if.

What do they pay you here? It gets college credit. I feel like I'm being used for bipartisan reasons. Or I mean partisan. Oh, okay. Yeah, I hope the chips are good. I know you song. You probably went to the fucking same 7-Eleven 10 times.

You went to too many 7-Elevens. I know there's a lot. So maybe you didn't have to go too far. But I told them next time. What did you just do? The paper towel. You pulled out like seven sheets. You know what happened?

I kind of unspooled it. Yeah. What the fuck are you doing? I didn't mean to do that. Hold on. I'm going to grab one anyway. Okay. Maybe that'll help.

These, you know, these look like a non-descript ordinary chips with some sort of seasoning. I'm going to bite into them. Oh, look at this one. Oh, you got to burn the one. Go off the mic. People with synesthesia. It shouldn't be shooting into the mic.

Is that what it's called? I think so. Is synesthesia. Is that the one? Wait, is that the one where you can like taste colors or something? Yeah, I think you confuse your senses. Well, let's say something like that. Yeah.

So someone's like biting it, hearing us bite into a chip, and they're like seeing a buffalo. It's like they don't really. It's mesophonia where you think. Mesophonia. Yeah, that's the one. Oh, okay. These are weird.

They taste like giblet gravy. Like they taste like a weird, like bitter gravy. You know what, Mitch? I had some of your stuffing that you're going to be doing in the next episode. That's right. And I actually think a fistful of these all crunched up might be just what your stuffing is missing. Just crunched this.

This has that gravy flavor and, you know, that savoriness that we were wanting. My stuffing is missing a little. Well, no spoilers, but it's missing a little something. You guys can find out on the Patreon on Tuesday, our Don't Boys Double episode, where we have a Thanksgiving cookoff. I think these chips are pretty bad. It's just a weird, like why would I have this over anything else? It's clearly a gimmick.

It tastes like the aftertaste of gravy. If you eat too much gravy and you like burp up gravy. Right. That's the taste. Yeah, the lingering, the lingering after. And that's better. I like to burp up the gravy. Oh, God.

You dudes. It's fucking disgusting. It's sort of a pugnance. Time out. You drink gravy, you piece of shit. Well, not anymore. You drink gravy. I was the time when I said gravy was my favorite food.

I don't, I wasn't. You said favorite drink. I wasn't. Did you ask for like straight gravy, but I asked like ramen or soup is better or something like that. I said, I asked if ramen and people got so mad at me and it made more sense than people. You, I mean, Nick, you got.

I'm still not on your side. It is like, if you say like it's like what's better, like citizen Kane or movies. Yeah. That's what, yeah. He, he's the problem. Do you hear me? Just categories.

They were soup, chowder, ramen and foe. One encompasses all the others. I know the best of them all. I know that soup doesn't compass all of it, but I'm thinking like American soups. What you're going to put tomato soup and chicken noodle soup and all that shit in there. Are you just talking about like Campbell's?

You want to just say Campbell's soup? Yeah. Look, is Campbell's whole line of soups or foe or let's not re-litigate this? Would you say, would you say chicken foe? I'm just trying to do stuff that the people on the subreddit. Yeah. You asshole.

I'm bringing back the stuff that everybody loves. See, I'm just like all you guys on the subreddit. I know all this shit. Would you say that chicken foe is different from chicken soup? I'd say yes. I wouldn't call. Well, I think I would say it is a chicken soup. It is a chicken soup.

When I hear chicken soup in my head, it makes me think of a chicken noodle soup. Yeah. Because that's what I was talking about. But you would be wrong. That would be bringing, that would be bringing your assumptions to it. Right.

Yeah. So, hey, maybe we're all wrong here. The chips are not good. The chips are very bad. Yeah. Speaking of wrong, these chips are wrong. This is terrible. This is a hard whack for me.

Yeah. It's a whack for me as well. Yeah, hard whack. It's a hard whack for me. It'll be a hard whack of tomatoes. Hard whack. Like it's like masturbating the passion of the Christ. High degree of difficulty.

Too difficult. Well, you know, there's all those games. There's a game where it's like, don't nut. Oh, whatever. That's a hard whack. That's a very hard whack. Do you know there was a game I played? You know what?

I mentioned my godfather son. Well, I shouldn't say this story. All right. All right. Good. Let's move along then. Just imagine something really weird. We used to play this game called Cookie and My Penis.

And that's all, that's all, that's what it was about. Okay. Okay. Well, then what is the story? You'd sing a song about like a cookie on your penis and whoever could put the craziest thing on your penis. I don't know. I shouldn't have brought up the story in the first.

Do you eat the cookie? No. You know, a lot of people ask. You've told a lot of people about this and I mean, and hindsight, it is weird. This is just a theoretical. This is the thing you're talking about doing though. You don't actually do.

No, no, we would actually do it. It was when I was a kid. But what did you do? I come out with a cookie on my penis. It was funny as a boy. And then you could see if someone could top the other person with something else on their penis like balanced on it with like, did you have a, you know, an erection?

Are you, are you, you have it, you know, on your, you're balancing it on your flaccid. I remember I did. How do you do it? Even on, yeah. We're holding against it. Are you holding it in under the, the foreskin? You hold it against.

They're holding it against it. Okay. Oh, you're just holding it up. You're covering your penis. I did fly swatter. I shouldn't have told this story. It's very weird. It's really weird.

It's really weird. Was this one of your, uh, uh, was this a runway show that you were having to do this? Yeah, well, I have Neil Collin. He'll explain cookie on my penis. He's going to be more defined. Yeah, I'm sure he'll take a, this will make a lot of sense coming very soon.

He's probably like a pediatrician now or something. That's like an actual job. He owns the fat cat. Oh, he owns the fat cat. Okay. Uh, hey, uh, that was our segment. It just like a restaurant fire feedback. Let's open up the feedback.

We have a voicemail this week. Let's take a listen to this one right here. Hi Doe boys. This is Joanne. I'm originally from Massachusetts, but about a year and a half ago I moved to West Virginia. And I had never heard of their really popular regional food, the pepperoni roll, which in its traditional form is pepperoni in dough.

It was a coal miner food. They used it as something that wouldn't spoil. They could eat underground. And now it comes in all sorts of ways. Traditional way, my favorite so far ago has been pepperoni, cheese and sriracha. So my question is what regional food, maybe very specific regional foods, have you been introduced to that you've really enjoyed? Thanks for the question, Joanne.

Actually got up. I got a picture of a pepperoni roll here, if you guys want to take a look at it. Yes, of course we'd like to see it. It's sort of, it sort of looks like a stromboli or a, or a hot, even just a hot pocket, but just with a softer dough on the outside. Calzone-y. Little calzone.

Calzone. That's a, that's, that's a better description. Mini calzone. And it looks like it comes in a bag and I assume you eat it. I assume you just eat at room temp. And you can eat that thing underground? Yeah, I guess so. I guess miners would take it down there.

That's what she was saying. A region, region. It does sound, it's cool actually. Yeah, it actually looks good. Looks good as hell. A regional food, eh? Yeah, the region specific things I think of, this made me think of, first in the, in the Italian sort of area, Italian American fair area, Missouri,

I think specifically St. Louis has these toasted raviolis, which are like deep fried and breaded. They're exactly what they sound like, deep fried and breaded raviolis. And they are indulgent. They are super duper like heavy, but they are so good. Jack in the Box had a version for a while as a, as a, and as a side, and man, they were so good. You talk about those a lot.

You love those, Jack. They were so, so good. Wow. They were delicious. I couldn't believe they, they took them off the menu. And the other one is New Mexico green chili. I think it's just like, they're, the way they do their, their green chili stew there is just, is just really, really good.

I've tried to make it myself and, and have done an okay job, but it does not compare to what they can do down there. Sounds like you fucked it up. Yeah, I fucked it up, all right. I tried my best, but I'm not, I'm not a New Mexico native, and I'm not that great of a cook. You know, you know what? Where's the Juicy Lucy from?

Oh, the Juicy Lucy is Minneapolis. Oh, I mean, I'm sorry. That's a good one. People get mad at me. Well, it's Minnesota. Minnesota. The Twin Cities, I guess. Is it, is it more of a sea poll thing?

I don't know. I feel like people might get mad one way or the other. Hey, there's two bars that claim it. Add it on to the Star Wars thing, the Rogue One names. You know where the Juicy Lucy is from. Tag it in there as well. There's two bars. There's two bars that have claimed to made the Juicy Lucy.

And it's a hamburger that they've put cheddar in the middle of the patty. So it explodes with the flavor of cheddar. I've been to both of them. I went with Wu Tang when we went to the Super Bowl. We went to the other, I went to the Juicy Lucy place that I hadn't tried. It's great.

It's great. It is great. It's a great, it's a great burger. The cheese sometimes explodes. When I was in the airport in Minneapolis, I got a Juicy Lucy. The cheese exploded all over my sweatshirt. It was disgusting.

I don't know, man. It looked like a slob. Are you sure it was not cheese from before? Are you certain it was the Juicy Lucy? 60% sure it was Juicy Lucy cheese. Mitch, do you have any hyper-regional favorites? Come on, wider. Regina's Pizza or some shit.

Like, Regina's. Like, Chuftins. Emma, you can help me out here. We're talking Northeast. We're going to talk about Boston specifics. Look, first of all, I've talked about a gobbler on here for the gobbler sandwich, which isn't really specific because it's a Thanksgiving sandwich.

But Boston just did it. There used to be a great gobbler sandwich in Quincy. I wonder where that got invented. Montclair deli, Turkey, the stuffing, cranberry sauce in mayo. That, to me, is the gobbler. If you get a well executed one, it's quite good. And then, obviously, lobster rolls. We got fried clams.

We got a lot of stuff like that. Seafood in New England in general. I don't know if that's necessarily regional. I don't know if it's regional. What is like a regional box? Like, what is like a purely regional Boston thing that's not outside of Boston? The beans, of course.

The beans. Like the candy. Yeah, those shitty. That either Hanford or Tim Cowboys used to get me those every time they went to Boston. They suck. They're so so gross. Even look like shit.

They look like shit. I mean, deep dish pizza in Chicago. They got the Al's beef or whatever when I was there. A Chicago dog specifically. Oh, yeah. You know what? A Chicago dog is pretty good. Yeah, Chicago dogs are good.

I like that sport pepper that's on there. I like that neon relish. Yeah, you know, you get a well executed Chicago dog. It's a treat. I don't know. Fried conk down in Florida. I'm trying to think of it. And then there's plenty of New Orleans food

that's specific. Nick, we had some together, I feel like. That alligator cheesecake down there, though. I think that was more of a dish unique to that one restaurant. Hey, let us know your regional faves. Hashtag, don't you know I'm local? Oh, my God. Throw him in there.

And if you have a question, comment up with the word of chain restaurants. You can email us at doboyspodcast at dmail.com. I texted Neil about cookie on my penis. He hasn't responded. Maybe he never will respond to you again. You might not ever talk to him. Neil, you can call our doboys hotline.

Let us know at the doboys delivery line or voicemail. What are the full rules of the cookie penis game? 8-3-0-go-do. That's 8-3-0-4-6-3-6-8-4-4. And to get the doboys double with you on this episode. Maybe we did eat the cookie. That's a big twist. You eat the cookie and find out what's behind it.

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Thank you so much for being here. Yes. He doesn't want to come back sooner. No, I am getting itchy. I'm starting to be itchy from being in the apartment. But I'm nice and I'm nice to people. And so it's normal for me to come on a podcast like this. You are a nice person.

I'm a normal guy. I mean, you have to accept that you may, Jack may directly say to you that he did not like a sketch that you wrote. Because he found it preachy. But if you understand that, that's part of who he is. But who cares? You can tell me anything I've ever done for the Kimmel show, aside from the ghost thing or any show I've ever done.

If you're like, that's not that good. I'd be like, well, maybe he's right. I don't know. Give Jack some feedback. Yeah, give me some feedback. But I know you got a struggle session. Your great podcast has a live show coming up. We are doing a live show.

It's on Monday, November 19th, 2018. So it's this November. This is going to be at the resident in downtown LA. It's our first live show, Leslie, who doesn't even live in LA. Leslie III, our co-host, is coming out from Virginia. It's going to be a great show. It's our first live show. And it should be a lot of fun.

We have Sara June, who's a great stand-up opening for us. And if you live in the LA area, why not come to the resident on November 19th, 2018? You can go to, I think it's at bit.ly slash seshla is a nice link, an easy one to go to. Or just Google the resident struggle session on Google. Hell, yeah. Check that out. Hey, and I love Jackie.

Jackie Boy is one of my favorites. I love to have him back. Update Neil did text me. He said, oh, God, I would describe it as creepy. That's all we said. Me too. Just from what I know about it. Yeah.

Yeah, it seems fair. Illegal, perhaps. That'll do it for this episode of Dough Boys. Until next time, for The Spoonman, Mike Mitchell. I'm Nick Weicker. Happy eating. See ya. Hey, Spoon Nation and Burger Brigade, catch the Dough Boys live before the end of 2018.

Mitch and I will be in San Diego, November 30th, Brea, December 5th, and Phoenix on December 13th. For tickets and info, go to headgum.com slash live. Don't make us perform for no one. That was a headgum podcast.