Doughboys - KFC with Paul F. Tompkins

Episode Date: August 31, 2017

The ‘boys welcome Paul F. Tompkins (Bajillion Dollar Propertie$, Spontaneanation) to review a cornerstone of fast food eateries: KFC. Together they discuss Pennsylvania eats, Mitch’s Bostonian dialect, and opinions on the colonel himself before deciding if the chain belongs on your bucket list. Plus, a special Mac attack edition of The Leftovers. Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Beginning at the age of 15, Frank Abagnale Jr. embarked on a six-year crime spree as an imposter. In which he stole his father's identity, fraudulently worked as an airline pilot, university professor, doctor, and lawyer, before being arrested and sentenced to 12 years in prison. After serving half of his term, Abagnale was paroled in the condition that he would lend his expertise on forgery to the FBI, leaving his story to be dramatized in Steven Spielberg's 2002 film Catch Me If You Can. Abagnale Jr.'s binge of Tarzan swinging from career to career parallels that of a more

famous American celebrity, except one who actually worked all those disparate professions. Harlan David Sanders, born in Indiana, back in 1890, was just five when his father abruptly died, forcing him to learn how to cook his family's meals as a small child and then take a job as a farmhand at the age of ten. Thrown into the workforce as a preteen, Sanders labored at countless lines over the next three decades. Carriage painter, streetcar conductor, U.S. Army soldier, though his ceremonial, Colonel title was not a military rank, blacksmith's assistant, and railroad fireman, during which

he studied law on his off hours. Sanders then became a lawyer, his legal career ending after three years due to a courtroom fistfight with his own client. Sanders returned to work on the railroad, sold life insurance, then sold tires, then, at the age of 40, began operating a shell gas station in North Corbin, Kentucky, where he made the fateful decision to offer hot food. Sanders' court and cafe cooked up steaks, country ham, hot biscuits, and fried chicken, compared in Sanders' secret recipe that used a pressure cooker in lieu of a frying

pan. Sanders' fried bird became a local sensation, attracting statewide attention, and leading to a literal gunfight with a rival operator over a disputed sign painting. Sanders survived the shootout, and his business survived the Great Depression and the Second World War, and in 1952, at 62 years old, Sanders franchised his chicken concept to a restaurant tour in Utah, who came up with a name that would define this bluegrass state eatery. As the chain exploded nationwide, the now white-haired Colonel Sanders became its official spokesman, hawking his chicken insides and commercials, and lending his likeness to

signage and packaging. Sanders remained visible right up until his death in 1980 at the age of 90. And today, 37 years later, his misses having grown into the second-largest restaurant chain on the planet, this lifelong hustler has become an immortal fast-food mascot, as iconic as the fictional Ronald McDonald. This week on Doe Boys, KFC. Welcome to Doe Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants or production of Feral Audio.com. I'm Nick Weiger, alongside my co-host, Jay Chowder, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell.

Jay Chowder. A play on Jay Chowder, the now-departed Boston Celtic. I know, crazy trade. What a crazy trade. A crazy trade. Look, we don't know... We don't know what we... Look, this is gonna be...

Oh, wait, this is... It's kind of on time. This is pretty much on time. This is on time. Yeah, like our last episode came out the day after the news broke. You actually informed me of the news via text messages. I did. This is the Kyrie Irving trade.

Kyrie Irving went to the Celtics. I had my finger on the pulse of the NBA trades, and I said, Nick, you got to come into this chat room. There's a trade going on. What were you doing? Yeah, what? You invited me to an AOL chat room for some reason. You had to get on your...

You had to pull out your old computer. Yeah, right. And so... I didn't have... I didn't have a free disc, so I didn't have any... Didn't have the hours left. No, we... Yeah, I was actually...

I was recording another podcast. I had guessed it on another podcast, and so like this big news broke, and people were... Like Twitter was going nuts for like a half hour, and then I got out, and you had texted me like, check out what's happened with this Kyrie Irving trade. Oh, I just almost played a drop on top of you. I'm sorry. Yeah. It was...

It's... I loved Isaiah Thomas. I just want to say that. He was a great Celtic. I'm not a Celtics fan, obviously, but he was a great Celtic. He was a great Celtic. He was great. And then...

You know what? There was a Boston fan that burned his jersey. What the... What was that all about? But also, here's what it was, because people have now done this. Like, I feel like people saw that happen with LeBron or whatever. We live in a dumb world now where people are just going to copy that on social media forever until the end of time.

Part of that is just some guy in Boston was excited to burn a black guy's shirt. That's not the case, Nick. God damn it. Boston is... You know that we're a good fan base. I know that you guys are a good fan base. That was a weird outlier, because Boston really embraced Isaiah Thomas. One of the guys who burned the shirt was burning it because he was mad at the trade, which

is a weird way to express your anger is to burn the guy's jersey. Very confusing message. But it was only like three people. I got a lot of crap for saying I don't like LeBron James, by the way. Whatever. We won't get into that now. Look, not all our listeners are sportos. We don't need to keep talking sports this whole time, but it was a big thing to us.

They're never going to get into sports if you call them sportos. We actually have a good guest today. Mitch, we do have a great guest, but do you realize how bad that sound, how insulting that is to our many other guests? Does this suggest that's an anomaly? This is an outlier? I'm sorry. What do you want me to say?

Matt Koalik, thumbs down. Armin Weitzman. Step it up, Dave Ferguson. Dave Ferguson, Hanford. These people stink. Anyways, here's this quick little drop, and then we'll introduce the guests. Yeah. Oh.

Howdy ho! The Spoon Nation. I couldn't even do that in front of our guests, because I'm too embarrassed when I respect them too much. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip.

Chip Chip. That's a Chip Chip, baby. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip. Chip Chip's all around.

What was that from? Did we say that on the show? I don't remember that. Also, we heard Armin, he is a good, they're all good guests. We have all of them are good guests. Okay. All right, whatever. That was from Chip Man.

And he said, here is a chippy drop for boys. He didn't say the boys, for boys. And girls, I think, from Chip Man. You know what, if you out there know the source of that, what comprises that drop, let us know, hashtag, Chip Man drop source, because I don't remember saying that at all. I don't remember us going on a Chip Chip riff at any point. Yeah. What is this Chip Chip riff?

What is that? We'll get to the bottom of it. Yeah. Let's do a quick plug real quick. First off, let me, the, that roast up top was courtesy of Tom Reed. You can roast Spoon Man at roastspoonman at gmail.com. Also we'll be at the Now Hear This podcast festival, set up for 8th through 10th in New York City.

Info and tickets now here at thisfest.com. And also we got live shows, the Pacific Northwest in October and Texas in November, December. Details and tickets at feralaudio.com slash Doughboys if you want to see us live. But right now, we are very excited about this guest from Virginia Dollar Properties, Bojack Horseman in the podcast, Spontaneation, Paul F. Tompkins. Hi Paul. Hi. We're very excited to have you.

Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled to be here. This is a long time coming. Big episode too. Big episode. Yes. Big guest. That's right.

Big chain. Paul, this is, someone said something very nice about you on Twitter and you can't disagree with it. I read this a while back, but they were like, PFT can make any podcast listenable. And wow, you are in for a challenge today, my friend, because we have a reputation for being audio garbage. And if you can somehow salvage this, the show sucks. It's really bad.

It's really bad. That's not true. You guys have a huge following. I think. People love this show. People love it. I don't get it. I don't get it.

I don't understand. People love the show ironically, I think. Audio garbage is a good name for if we ever make a podcast label, we should be audio garbage. If we ever defect from feral audio. Yeah. Sorry, Dustin. It's happening.

Dustin, there's a thing we've discussed behind your back. You should just know now. Step it up, Dustin. Dustin's joining us. Dustin's joining us. I'm with you. You're on your own U-Song. We're just ditching U-Song basically.

He should have spoke up. He's out. He's out. What was the hashtag again for the Chipp Chipp Audio? Let's see. Hashtag Chipp Man Dropsource. That's a great hashtag. You know what my idea is, I think that that hashtag is already taken.

I think there's so many. Right. Chipp Man. Yeah. But that is you guys saying Chipp Chipp over and over again. Yeah. We must have done it at some point. Like episode 33 or something and we've just forgotten at this point.

Yeah. We don't remember anything anymore. I don't know if it's from the food or what. Oh, so you have no idea what it even refers to? No. No. Okay. Nope.

All right. Yeah. I mean, it could only, it must refer to either chocolate chips or potato chips. I mean, or I guess tortilla chip corn chips. Or he could be a weird man who just, we each said chip and he took that and then looped it over and over again. Do you think, okay, so he is the Chipp Man and he's like, oh, this is my identity and I've found a way to, I hope that's not the case, but that could be the case.

Maybe he's done that with every podcast that he listens to. Just any time. You know, isolates the word chip. Right. Whenever he hears it. He normally doesn't have the opportunity to like get it played on Pod Save America, but he submitted it though. He submitted it.

He submitted it. Paul, you're from Pennsylvania as is my understanding of the Keystone State. Keystone State. All right. Is, is Pennsylvania the state of Wawa? Is that? Yes, absolutely. Are you a Wawa partisan?

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. We get, we get, we get tweeted at so often about they're like, why, we got to do Wawa. Why haven't you done Wawa? They're very angry at us. Right. We're not doing Wawa. Yeah.

Why don't you guys just book a flight? I wonder if people just don't know that some things are regional and they're not all over the place. But yeah, I grew up with Wawa and it's, it's, it's really good guys. It's really good. What is it? It's like a seven. It's like seven 11 ish.

It's like a, a sort of fancier version of seven 11 and they have actual good sandwiches there that they make in front of you and we call them hoagies. Okay. You might know it as a grinder or a sub, but they, they've gotten like fancier as the years have gone by and then they became known for their, their coffee was suddenly like this gourmet coffee and everything, but it's Wawa's are great. They're pretty great. We got to do, we got to go to the, Nick doesn't like to leave California often.

That's true. You don't like to leave the state and you don't like to leave your apartment. It's another issue. I don't like to leave this apartment and you don't like to leave California. So it's hard to, for us to get onto the East coast, but I love the East coast. I'm from, I'm a Boston guy and a, so I got a question for you. Yes. There's all, there's great debate with, with cheesesteaks and cheesesteaks come out of

Philadelphia. Do you have a side or are you like, cause there's Pat's and Gino's, but then there's people who are like, neither of them, they're, they're bad and then there's like this other place that I like better is, I feel like the answer I always hear. I feel like the difference between them is negligible. I think that I enjoy them both, but my favorite steak place was a place on, on South street, South street at third called Ischka Bible between third and fourth. And they made great cheesesteaks.

There was like a little tiny place and they had a window onto the sidewalk. And so you'd order there and get it to go and, or they had a little tiny counter inside. You could sit up, but that was always my favorite. I don't even know if it's still there. I hope it, I hope it is. If it's not there, it sounds like the most made up place I've ever heard of in my life. It's a Ischka Bible. It sounds like a sniglet.

What is a sniglet? Oh, so young. Yeah. You might be a little young for that. Rich Hall, the comedian made up this thing called sniglets, which is, you know, words for things that don't have words and it's Ischka Bible, Ischka Bible, Ischka Bible. Yeah. That is a sniglet.

It's very fun to say. It is fun to say. Wait. Does anything set it apart from the other cheesesteaks or is it just like a really well-crafted version? It's just a well-crafted version. It just tasted better to me for whatever reason. I don't know.

I think a lot of it honestly has to do with the cheese and depending on what kind of cheese you like. Some people like the classic is like cheese whiz that you get on a cheesesteak, which is very junky and very delicious. But I always liked American cheese on a cheesesteak. You know what? I like American cheese on a cheesesteak, too. Melted really well, yeah.

Provolone can be a little too mild. Provolone is not a ... I don't understand why that became the cheesesteak thing. Yeah. I don't grow up with that. Yeah. But like anytime you order, anytime you see a cheesesteak outside of Philadelphia, it's always provolone cheese and peppers for some reason, which is not the traditional cheesesteak at all.

Do you know what? I like white American cheese. Yeah. The sounded bad for a moment. I like white American cheese. White American cheese on a cheesesteak. You know that people cut up things that are set on the podcast and remix them into drops. I like white American.

I'm with you. I think provolone ... I like both Pats and Geno's. I liked every cheesesteak I had in Philadelphia. You know, not to ring my own bell, but I rode upon the Skookle River in Philadelphia. Well, well, well. You buried the lead. Bright Pass Boat House. Boat House Row.

Boat House Row. Very, very beautiful. Was it daytime or nighttime? It was daytime. Beautiful. Oh, I know that they light them up. Right. Yeah.

I don't think they would let me out on Boat House at nighttime. I feel like that would ... Were you out there by yourself? No. I was in a boat with seven other guys. That's why you considered it a brag because this was like you and your rowing crew in college, right? I was rowing crew in college.

It sounded like you were just bragging about being at a place. Yeah. Like it was an exclusive river. Right. And also, it's not cool to have rowed crew. I was bragging about that anyways. But I was ... Did you row crew?

I rowed crew in college. I did not know that. For two years. Two and a half. I did it to get in shape because I was a chubby man. And it's supposed to be an insane workout because it's every muscle in your body, right? Yeah. It's every ... And you know what?

I didn't really learn my lesson from it because it's every muscle in my body, except I rowed wrong. So I like lifted with my shoulders. And then I came back from college my first year and all my friends were like, your shoulders are huge. And I just had huge ... Everything else the same. Right.

Everything else. Gigantic shoulders. I had gigantic shoulders. They're like, you look different because your shoulders are huge. And then the crew coach had to be like, you're doing it wrong and showed me how to do it because I was doing it. And my shoulders just got huge. But I did it to get in shape.

Why didn't it take them so long to notice? I think you find this ... Well, what does this guy do other than look at the guys rowing? Ward Romer is one of my favorite coaches, but he ... Not mine. I think ... He's way down on my list. I think one day he saw me. He saw my huge shoulders and he was like, oh, shit, we got to do something about this

guy's shoulders. What was he looking at the rest of the time? Probably the water. It's beautiful. Yeah, that's true. That's something hard to do. I don't think I could ever do crew because that guy yelling at me would drive me nuts. Yeah.

That was a bad part of it. The coxswain? Yeah, the coxsin. Yes. Coxsin, okay. Yeah, I say coxsin. But coxswain maybe is ... I've always pronounced the coxsin. I've only seen it spelled, so I don't know how you say it aloud.

Yeah, I don't remember it aloud. We usually would have ladies in the front of the boat because guys would usually be too big and would weigh too much. Oh, so it's coed. I didn't realize that. I didn't know that either. You can have a female coxsin. Yep.

And they would yell at you. And then ... Which was a nice going to college, so then I didn't have my mom, so I went and got a lady yell. It's a nice transition. Yeah. But I did that for two years because I was chubby. I didn't like almost anything else about it besides that.

But a nice plus side was being on the Skoolkill River. It's very beautiful. There's also like a fall there and you get kind of close to it. And it kind of was scary, but it's a very nice ... Philadelphia is one of my favorite cities. That's nice to hear. I think it's a city ... a city ... Shit, Philadelphia, a source drop.

It's a city that gets over ... I feel like it gets overshadowed. Like Boston kind of does to you. Like your Chicago's and your New York's, they think they're the best. And Philadelphia is more of a myspy. I love Philadelphia. Me too. So big fan. That's nice to hear.

You've never been. Yeah, I've never been to Philadelphia. I will go to Philadelphia. I'm very interested in Philadelphia. I have a question for you. Outside of the ... because I think cheesesteak, that's what people think of. Are there Philly eats ... are you from Philadelphia proper? Yeah.

I grew up a little bit outside the city in a neighborhood called Mount Airy. So for someone visiting Philadelphia, outside of the cheesecake, or cheesesteak, rather, which I think everyone's going to know about, is cheesecake a thing they have there too? They have cheesecake, but we're not famous for it. You're not known for it. Philadelphia cream cheese makes me think a bit. What is the cheesecake state? Is there one?

New York, maybe? Oh, I guess New York. I think you get New York cheesecake that shows up on the menu a lot. We told you we're bad at this. We've done this for two years, and we both have no idea what the cheesecake state is. We all figured it out. It was a collab. But outside of cheesesteak, what is Philadelphia ... what are the things to eat in Philadelphia?

It's a good seafood town. Oh, okay. It's definitely a good seafood town. And there's a lot of ... there's a lot of kind of divey seafood places and fancy seafood places. Right. I, myself, am not a seafood guy, so I don't think I've ever eaten in any of them. But there's places ... I mean, it's really sprung up now where there's a lot of places

on the water, on the Delaware River. They have restaurants that they've built out into the water, and then there's a couple of boats, I think, that have been converted into restaurants. Soft pretzels are a big thing. Oh, hell yeah. That's a big, filling thing. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what else.

I feel like Philly also just has great Italian food. Absolutely. Yes, yes, yes. The best Italian food. 100%. Grinders, like a ... Hoagy. Sorry.

Dammit. I knew it was one of the ... hoagies. Mitch, that was a faux pas. I know. You said hoagy just a few minutes ago. I know. I know. I was trying to think of what it was.

I got nervous. To be fair, I said them all. So that might have thrown you off. We call them submarines, subs. Sub sandwiches, just a little north up in Boston, we say subs. There you go. Also, a big sea ... Boston is ... I didn't get into it until I was much later, but would your family cook fish and so on?

No. I think that's the reason why I'm not into seafood is because our seafood was literally Mrs. Paul's on Fridays because the first Friday we couldn't eat meat because we were Catholic. Yeah. So I did not really have good seafood ever, but when I would be in a restaurant as a kid, I would never order the fish. It was just like I was meat and potatoes and that was it.

And so it's only recently ... I cleaned up my eating habits as an adult, but seafood is still kind of a barrier, but I make myself try things. But I still don't ... The only time I've ever ordered something as my entree was, I got a lobster roll one time and we were on tour with Comedy Bang Bang. We went to this seafood place and I was like, I'll just try this. And it was delicious. Yeah. A lobster roll is great.

I think a good lobster roll, but I think the lobster roll can be a trap sometimes because sometimes it's the thing that has a lot of bread, not a lot of lobster, a lot of mayo, a lot of filler. But that's pretty good anyways. You love mayo. I do love just bread and mayo. That's great. But I mean, if you're ... That's great.

For me, as far as classic sandwich goes, bread with mayonnaise in between, nothing else. But you're getting a lobster roll. You kind of want that lobster, and sometimes you get those ... And you're paying $19 for a sandwich a lot of times. You're paying a huge premium. If you don't get a large portion of it, it feels like a rip-off. I can't believe that there were just times where I would ... Because I was a race Catholic too, that I wouldn't eat meat.

I bided by those rules I walked by in my life, which is crazy. And it was ... Yeah, it's so weird. It's such a drag, like, I can't believe we can't have the thing that I want to have. Yeah. And every ... Yeah, it was like fish. You would eat some sort of fishy, fish meal. It's ... I hated that. Is that for lent?

It's for lent? It's good Friday, right? Oh, it's good Friday. I'm sorry, not good Friday. What is that? Well, it used to be every Friday. Every Friday. Okay.

Yes, it was every Friday. And then they cut it back to the first Friday of every month, which was ... I kind of don't remember why first Friday was a big deal, but you went to church. There was a mass. And then ... Because I remember we would go out to eat lunch afterwards. And it was a holy day of obligation. You had to go to mass every first Friday, and then ... Right.

I think it was like a half day of school too, and I don't know. I can't remember the reason for it though. And for our listeners, so you don't get confused, the first Friday, he's not referring to the Ice Cube movie Friday. We had to go see that movie. We went to church. We'd watch first Friday. Yeah.

Then we'd watch Friday after next. Friday after next. I can't remember. Now, because of Friday after ... No, it is Friday is ... Oh, it's the next Friday. No, it's Friday next Friday. And then the Friday after next. Friday after next. And now because of those movies, you have to call Friday the first Friday.

I feel like it's now, it's his unofficial name. Otherwise, people at Friday, oh, you see one of the movies with Mike Epps in them? Like, no. I'm talking about the Chris Tucker movie, the first Friday. Caesar just to clarify up top. Okay, so apparently it says that this is a ... It's Friday penance. This is a thing that traces from Catholics in England and Wales. My mom, we were raised at Episcopalian.

My parent and my mom's side, they were very ... Not strict, but very devout Episcopalians. And so my mom, they observed that every Friday growing up. And I paid for it generationally because they only had fish sticks. And my mom got sick of fish sticks, and so we never had fish sticks. Oh, no. And so I didn't have fish sticks at home at my entire childhood. I never ate fish sticks either. I think maybe my mom and dad were from the same generation, excuse me, where we never,

so we never had fish sticks. We had fish sticks. Did you ... They were the only things that I kind of was okay with. God damn it. We missed out. We totally missed out. Yeah, you didn't. You really didn't.

Two adult men. It sounds disgusting. Fish sticks. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we ate them a lot. We ate them a lot. It is, but they're nuggets.

I think anything for as a child ... Oh, they're definitely ... Yeah, they look like mozzarella sticks or whatever. We looked exactly like that. If you can nugget eyes anything for a child, I feel like ... Right. Yeah. Nuggetization is huge. I would eat any meal that was nuggets.

When a pizza ... What's it called? The little pizza? Totino's Pizza Rolls? Yeah. Pizza rolls came out. Yeah. It was perfect. But here's the thing.

It's like, okay, fish sticks, maybe even chicken nuggets. You're trying to get a kid to eat something that maybe they wouldn't eat otherwise. Pizza rolls ... You're just nuggetizing something that a kid already wants to eat. Yeah, all right. Yeah, that's fair. It's just like adding ... It's just making it more calorically dense, basically. Yeah, they're fun. They're more fun.

I guess they're more fun. Yeah. They are fun. Like, when you think ... Right. Let's stop and think about it. They are fun. They're really fun. Pizza rolls are fun.

This is branded content for Totino's Pizza Rolls, by the way. That's our Friday nights where it was pizza. We would eat cheese pizza. We'd have cheese pizza. We did too, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I forgot that it was every Friday for a long time, but then we gave up so quick. I remember that I would give up stuff for Lent, too, and I never ... Why did I do that

as a ... It was fucking pointless. And it just made me more ... All of that just made me more of a crazy adult when I think about it. So, whatever. Wow. It's over now. I know. I know.

I'm sorry. I wish I was a ... I think being Catholic is the worst of the worst lottery of the bunch. I don't know. I think having a pope is pretty cool. Like, I think just like ... Excuse me? There's so much ... You're jealous of us because we had a pope? A pope is a drag.

Paul literally rolled his eyes at me. There's so much stuff that goes on with the pope. The only time I ever fainted in my life was when Pope John Paul II got shot. Oh, wow. And so, I went to a Catholic school and the church was right next door. Everyone immediately went to the church so we could start praying as fast as we could for the pope. And it was ... I feel like it was summertime because I just remember it was being really

hot and there were so many people crammed in there and then just like my eyes started to like went to static and I woke up and a nun was loosening my tie all because of the pope. Wow. And when you said that at first, I thought someone was like, Paul, the pope's been shot and you went, oh, you fell over. Right. I mean, I probably would have.

I was pretty religious back then. When I was a kid, it was like I was on board with all of this stuff. For sure. 100%. I still am. I'm still. I still believe it. Why not?

I put it in half my life. Why not? Why not? If it turns out to be true, it's going to be great. You're kind of the Pascal's wager of you believe in God, which is your faith, which is fine, but a big part of that is that you are afraid of the devil. Paul does not know that I am legitimately afraid of the devil. The devil.

He's really afraid of a red Satan poking him in the butt with a pitchfork. I mean, is that what you imagine he looks like? Do you think he looks like the classic devil? Not like a guy in a costume, but like I'm just saying, if I went to hell, I would not be surprised if he looked like Tim Curry from legend. I think he would look like a big demon. Right. My guess.

But you know, there's a chance that he does. He does. There's a chance he looks friendly. It's a slim chant. He looks friendly. That's how he gets you. Come over here and then he'll slap you around for a minute or whatever he does. Well, you can end up with a devil like the Billy Crystal from Deconstructing Harry kind

of like the just like, oh, it's just a pleasant man, but he's actually the devil. Do you know what happened? Actually, I can tell you what happened is I saw the Exorcist as a boy. Oh, yeah. And terrifying, terrifying movie. And then in my head, I was just like, I believe that could be real. I think that there's some sort of devil and it feels real enough to me to be to be real. And I still, Nick, no, I am Catholic, but I don't know if there is anything out.

I don't know if there's anything out there, but I believe that there might be a devil. Like if you don't, like, like, why would you only believe in the bad part? I have big numbers on the table. I feel like I feel like he's going to be a real and everyone will be and will all be down there. He's real. Look at him. I'll tell everybody he was real.

So the devil. Okay. So the idea of the devil, like, because I, of course, I believed when I was a kid, it's like it was just a absolutely real because you're told this when you're a kid and then you see something like the Exorcist, right? And it's like, oh, this is what it looks like in practice. Like this is this is the devil at work and, you know, a scary face flashes on the screen for a second and then he possesses this child like, oh, okay.

So this is like there, it makes it way more real to you. But when I think about it now, like the idea is the devil exists to tempt us to do bad things. But so like, the devil talked you into doing this podcast is probably part of it. Is this considered a bad thing? Is this unholy? Too far. Yeah, probably.

But it's like, it's so you don't. If you, I just don't get, I don't get how you're responsible. If the devil has this power, do you know what I mean? Right? I feel like, like, I think of it less like a devil on your shoulder, animal house, how it was portrayed in animal house with the devil on the shoulder. The classic depiction, but not 300 cartoons. You know what the cartoons to when he came on your show, I don't, I just feel like it's

a force of evil because, because there, you know, I will say that there's energies in the world. Now, now I'm going to, this maybe makes me sound more crazy, but I feel like I believe in energies and in a positive and negative energy. And I feel like maybe the devil is just like a big dark cloud of negative energy. You know what I mean? But then do you think that there's a hell? Maybe down in hell, there's a big floating black cloud down there instead of a devil.

And that's where that's where, you know, I haven't thought this out too much. But you feel that whatever the, the essence of a human is, if it's the soul, you know, it could go to, yeah. That it could, that one of the, because energy can either be created or destroyed or would have to go somewhere. Yeah. And so it maybe goes to this dark cloud place. Isn't it crazy though?

And that point, you really give him a lot of credit. I'll try it. No, that was, that was, he said exactly what I was thinking. And I just want to say that isn't it crazy that in 30 years, like a man who believes in the devil now is like the dumbest man in the, it's, it's the truth. When I be like, I feel like my grandpa would probably yell about the devil all the time back 20 years ago or whatever. As recently as the 1950s or 1970s, maybe that was just like the accepted truth that Satan

was a, was a force who was working against us. Yeah. They like wouldn't even say his name. They were afraid of him. Anyways, this, this isn't devil talk unless it's devil, unless it's devil's food. Yes. That's right. Oh, tasty cakes is another thing from Philadelphia.

Oh, that's right. Tasty cakes. I think tasty cakes you can get, you can find more places than just fill. Yeah. I got another one too, but this might be Jersey specific. Is water ice, is that? Do you mean water ice? Yeah.

Water, water, water ice. That's what we called it. Yeah. Is that, is that it? That's a big filly thing. Yeah. For sure. And that is like a slushie.

Yeah. It's, it's so, it's hard to describe to people that haven't had it because it's not exactly a snow cone, but it is like, it's like a slightly more solidified slurpee kind of. Okay. Okay. It's you, you can eat it with a spoon or you can just eat it like an ice cream cone kind of. Oh yes.

Oh, I've had, I think I've had water. Yeah. And so it's really good. Yeah. It's really good. The consistency is very enjoyable. Right. And it's hard.

It's not like crunchy or brittle like a snow cone. It's, it's, and people that haven't had it, they, they, every time people are like, oh, it's like a snow cone. And they, they refuse to believe me when I say that it is not like a snow cone. It is not like, I know what you're talking about. It is not like a snow cone. It's very smooth. Yes.

This is right. This is right. There's a, there's a place in the hell for people who think it's like a snow cone. Oh, I can't wait till they get to that dark cloud. Oh, they'll see. They'll all see. Oh no, Paul, this is a big question for you having you here. When it comes to slurpee, you're more of a slush puppy guy, or I'm thinking now you're

more like a 7-Eleven slurpee man. I don't know what the slush puppy, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it? Oh, it's slush puppy. You've ran into this before. Is that regional? Do you, so like a snow cone, like do you not, do you like it, you do like it smooth if you're drinking it?

Yes, yes, yes. Because I do think water rice is, it's Nick, it's a, it's a, it's a spooning, it's not a beverage. It's a, it's very much like a dessert or something. When it comes to the semi-soft desserts in general, I am a straw man. Like I like the, I like the shake that you can have with the straw. I like something that's like a little, when, when something gets a little thicker, I mean, you know, I like a frosty, I like a blizzard, but I, and generally I like something that

you can consume and that, that's definitely the case with slurpies as well. I like that you can slurp them down. The only time I ever had a frosty, I thought it was a milkshake and I tried to drink it. I could not. Yeah, it does not work. Um, I, I, so are you, are you, would you be more of a, a straw based dessert guy, you would say Nick? No, because I like a proper like cake moray or an ice cream.

I like just like a scoop of ice cream, but I'm saying like, when you get to something that's like semi-soft. Would you rather have a scoop of ice cream or would you rather have a milkshake? Scoop of ice cream. Really? Yeah. Ice cream is tough to beat. Yeah.

Would you rather have a milkshake over an ice cream? Really? Yeah. What about ice cream soup, where you let it get melty and then. I do, I do like that. Sure. Yeah. No, that is good.

And like, like a Sunday when you get, when you get it melted out a little bit. Yeah. But I think I'm straw. I think I'm team straw. Hashtag what, Nick? Straw or nah? Oh boy. That's not bad.

What's wrong with that? That's not bad at all. Oh God. Hashtag straw or nah? So that's like a catch all you can say whatever your opinion on straw based desserts is. Yeah. Got it. Or you could just do hashtag straw or hashtag nah.

And now you don't mean nah, G-N-A-W. Or maybe you do mean G-N-A-W. Yeah, I do. It works both ways. It works both ways. Great. I feel like, I think I like milkshakes more than I like, than I like ice cream. Okay.

Okay. So it goes over a pie. Oh God, now we're in tough territory. Well, that's the thing. I like all those baked desserts as well, but in terms of dessert, I would have to say ice cream is probably number one for me. Wow. Yeah.

How about cake or pie? I have a bit about how cake is better than pie, but I'm absolutely split down the middle on cake and pie. I love them both. They're both good. Yeah. I had a boys and berry pie last night. It was somebody's birthday.

And her favorite pie was boys and berry at this one specific place where the guy who brought it for her had to give a credit card number to reserve this pie. And so, wow. If he didn't pick it up, they were going to charge him like it was a fucking car. That's crazy. That's insane. Yeah, it was really insane. But guess what?

It was a real good pie. I feel like boys and berry, is that a, is that a hard fruit to come by boys and berries or? I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's just a cross between different berries. Oh, okay. And raspberry.

I was going to say, I've never come across a boys and berry in my life. I do not know what one would look like. Yes. I think it's a berry mix. I think it's because my mom used to be a big boys and berry jam fan. I think, I think, yeah, I read on the label of a nuts jar once that it's like three different berries mixed together. Nuts berry farm.

Yeah. They have nuts jam. They have nuts, nuts, preserves and jam out here. You get it. When we were shooting the birthday boys, we had this very old actress come in. And she was extremely, she was very, very old and she was great. But she was like, like, like we were, like we were like making sure she was comfortable and stuff.

But she, and she was old and I got the point across, she's old. So she left and we were down south and it was like the middle of rush hour. We were shooting on a campus down near like Anaheim. Okay. And, and she, and she was like, I'm off and we were like, see, like, see, are you safe to drive home? Yeah. And she's like, I'm going to nuts berry farm and she was going to nuts berry to pick

up jam. Yeah. You can do that. That's so weird to me to go to the amusement park. People go to the amusement park to pick up jam. They have great fried chicken there too. Mrs. Nuts Fried Chicken. That's what she wanted jam and fried chicken.

Yeah. You could just go that because you don't have to go into the park proper to get that food. I like, I'll just have it there. The really weird thing is that there's a theme park based on a jam store. It is strange. It is. That's the weird thing.

Right. And the origin is very like, so I guess the guy not, we used to go to nuts berry farm all the time because I grew up out here and the, I guess the guy not, he had a literal berry farm and he'd sell preserves and stuff and then he started having carnival attractions there to just sort of like, you know, he one day was like, you know, wait, this is better is Charlie Brown. Yeah. How did the peanuts get involved?

Right. What? The peanuts are involved in the weirdest things. Nuts berry farm. Met life insurance. Yeah. Why? I think Charles Schultz, didn't he love, I think he was a huge money fan.

He loved money. He was a big fan of money. No. Entertainment's most voracious capitalist, Charles Schultz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they're, they're very niche things that they're, the peanuts, I mean, the peanuts

is a much bigger brand than nuts or met life. You would think they could have some association with like the Six Flags, you know, corporation or something. Yeah. You think they could have some higher profile gig. Yeah. M&M's jump on that. What do you mean?

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Planters. Like the planters guy should be down there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wait, are you suggesting the planters guy should be at the nuts berry farm theme park? Why not? They should have a ride? Yeah. The planters man should be, I feel like it would be a very. I think what Paul was suggesting was that peanuts should be the peanuts character. Oh. Should probably have the peanuts characters.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good point. But I do. Mr. Peanut would be walking around nuts berry farm. Yeah. It's me.

How about the Kool-Aid man? Why isn't he there? Yeah. Exactly. They should put, if Mr. Peanut was there, I feel like it could be good for the property and I feel like he's a dignified man. I feel like you'd have, you'd have like a nice jaunt. His ride would be like a.

Oh, he has a, he has a ride? I thought he was just like walking around. Good pictures taken. No. He would, he would have a ride as well. Like a body works. So it has wild, his wild ride and then Mr. Planter, Mr. Planter. Mr. Peanut.

Mr. Peanut. Yes. He says leisurely ride. He was leisurely ride. Just a nice drive around the countryside. Yeah. But you still end up going to hell. You still go to hell.

Yeah. You go to hell when I want to. And then Mitch is there saying, I told you. Oh God. I want to see that so bad. Someone would Photoshop Mitch into the hell portion of Mr. Toad's wild ride. I just rode, I just rode Mr. Toad's recently and it's a great, it is a, it's a great ride. Yes.

I went to Mr. Toad. Oh, you were there recently too. I went on Mr. Toad's wild ride. It is a great ride. Look at this. Oh, yeah. Oh, you don't want the world to know that? It was a very nice 1% thing we got to experience.

Oh, God. I don't think we want to. Oh, that's funny. So when you look 1% or I can't talk about it. No, you absolutely can. You absolutely can. I just, I don't think, I don't think we can, I don't think it was a thing we were supposed to publicize.

But it's very nice to have. Because Nick was just in Disney and you just rode Mr. Toad's as well. You know, the thing is I was with my, with my buddy Jesse Joyce and he didn't realize that there's like a moral to the ride. And it is like a very, like we, we went around the track and it's like, it's very on the nose and referring to drunk driving. Like you go to the pub and then there's like just, there's like bartender with like his arms full of pints and then you just go on the road and you like crash into a train and

you go to hell. It's just like a big morality play. It's specifically targeted at like don't drink while driving, which is a weird thing to target at like. I feel like it was like Walt's. Seven year olds. Right. Walt's probably had a crazy night or something and wound up in the front of Tamo Shanter or

like on the curb and was like, I need to, I need to make a play out of this or something. This ride was like his community service. Yes. You have to make a ride that will stand for generations to warn people of the evils of what you have done. Have you ever been to the Tamo Shanter? Oh, of course. I was just there the other night.

Oh man. I love it. And for those who are listening who don't know, we may have mentioned this before, but there's a Walt Disney table. Yeah. And where he sat with Imagineers and they carved, they actually carved little cartoons, no famous ones, but they carved little cartoons into the table, little dinosaurs. And there's a plaque with his name on it.

And I think they draw, like they draw on the wall or something around that table because it's still a hangout for Disney animators. Oh, right. Cool. That's one of my favorite places. I love that place. Yeah. That's fantastic.

I'm a Lowry's VIP member. I am too. Hell yeah. I have the Lowry's card myself. Wait a minute. How can I get in this club? You got it. Nice try, Walker.

You got it, Joe. I won in the club. He doesn't get in. They send you on your birthday. They'll send you season salt with your name on the label. Oh my God. And the weird thing is, there's a note that says, you have to eat this whole by itself right now.

Yeah. Wow. You have to just chug the season salt. You can't put it on anything. You have to bring us the empty bottle and proof that you ate it all in one sitting. It's very complex. And then a timer starts. It's very ominous.

You have no idea what's going to happen. It says we can see you. Right. But anyways, this doesn't sound fun. You got to join. It's scary. I mean, I'm going to join. You got to join.

It sounds awful. Yeah. I'm doing it. It is. It's great. You earn points when you have meals over there. But you just like approach like the major D at a Lowry's restaurant and be like, I want to join the club.

Is that simple? It's that simple. Okay. I'm going to do it. If I had my guests and they're probably going to see you and say, we don't know what you're talking about, sir. You think I'm not Lowry's VIP material. I don't think so.

We reject it on site. I think you might be. Now Paul. Yes. A good transition here is you like roast beef. How do you feel about fried chicken? And damn it. We had it when we were talking about fried chicken a minute ago.

A minute ago. I forgot that. Do you like fried? Are you a fan of fried chicken? I am a fan of fried chicken. Yes. It's a big craze out here right now in Los Angeles. Yeah.

I've noticed that. It's on every menu now. Yeah. It really is. There's a howlin' rays, which is a great place down in Chinatown. And it's great chicken. And then Gus is a few others. There's a few big ones.

Yeah. Dinas. Dinas is stuck around for a long time. It's been around for a while. Honey's Kettle over in Culver City. Honey's Kettle. Yeah. Honey's Kettle.

Let me tell you. This fried chicken craze I'm into a lot better than that fidget spinner craze. Oh my God. More chicken dinners. Fewer fidget spinners as far as I'm concerned. This sounds like you had that planned. Less chicken dinners, more fidget spinners. That's scripted in my notes.

I think that's one of the great lines in history. You think that's going to be on like AFI's a hundred years, a hundred great podcast lines? Lucille Ball, followed by Nick Weigar's spinner fidget spinner. What was Lucille Ball's line? Too many chocolates, I believe. Too many chocolates. Slow that conveyor belt down.

That's the one Lucy episode. And I know that because in Disney, when we went to Disney World, my mom got picked as the lady who to recreate that scene of Lucy. What? And she went up on stage and there was like a conveyor belt and she was like putting chocolate like in her shirt and stuff like that. It was very. What a weird thing.

It was very weird. There was like an I Love Lucy stunt show for a time. That you get to be in. It was recreating and it was like there was an audience of people and they pulled my mom up on stage and my mom was on the conveyor belt putting chocolates in her. She probably, she loves chocolate. She probably loved it.

And she was putting chocolates in her shirt and people were laughing. She was familiar with the source material. Yes. And I've never been more jealous of my mom because I wanted to, I want to shove chocolate in my mouth and be the funny person. Everyone was laughing at her. It was, it was, it was a great memory. But it was very strange.

I don't know why. I don't know how long Disney did it for. They would recreate or maybe they just recreated that. But they, I think they would do like a couple scenes from classic television. I heard they stopped doing that one because one time they got a dog up out of the audience and of course it died. It was a big, it was a big scandal. First of all, the dog shouldn't have been attending the show.

I didn't know that they were loud in Disney. I guess it was a service dog. A service dog. A blind person had brought this dog. That made it even more tragic. People were really upset. I hear, oh God, I won't make that joke. Thank God I didn't.

I was going to say that the man is lost within Disney now without his dog. Oh God. Damn it. Like he's still, to this day, still wandering around. He's still wandering around Disney. No one helped him out? No one helped him out. I just realized, you know, before I made the joke that I shouldn't make fun of a

imaginary blind man. Anyways, my nice story is that my mom was in Disney. Oh God, I hate this podcast. Mitch, you're needlessly melting down. You're doing fine. Everything's fine. You're doing fine. You told a fun story.

Yeah. We had a good time riffing on it. I don't know. What is that? It's all right. What's happening? It's great. I'm back.

Nick, can I tell you something? Yeah. You know how you say popcorn? Uh-huh. I just heard Jason Menzuchus also says popcorn. He's a popcorn man. He's also from Massachusetts. He's a Massachusetts guy.

So wait, is there not something wrong with me? It's just a Massachusetts thing? It must be. It's clearly a regional thing. That's all right. Let's see. I'm not that weird to all the listeners out there. Well, it's still weird that anyone says popcorn.

After my meltdown, I'm not that weird at all. After all, I'm kind of a normal guy. Yeah. I thought that maybe it was a family thing. I was trying to figure it out. I must be a message. Was Jason Menzuchus in my, were we raised together? I can't, I don't believe so.

Does he look familiar to you? Like when you see? He does. He looks like a brother. Okay. Well then maybe, maybe you guys were raised in the same house. We may, we may, or maybe, cause I think he's a North Shore. He was a North Shore guy, I believe.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. What a, what a, what a dumb dialect we have. But he and I both say, and this is, this is a larger regionalism. Reese's PCs. Oh yeah.

I say, I say, I say Reese's PCs as well. I can't help but say it. Right. And Nick, how it, it's Reese's, Reese's pieces. Reese's pieces. Oh, it's the word pieces. Yeah. The word pieces.

But we also used to say Reese's cups. Oh, interest. I haven't heard that. I'd say Reese's cups too. We say Reese's cups. Yeah. That's neat. That's maybe an East Coast.

It's got to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird though. I don't know. Like that one, it's right. It's written.

You know what I mean? It's like Reese's. It's something, but then everyone that I grew up with. We all said Reese's cups. It looks like a strong E. The E after the S seems like it's strong. Maybe it's the font. Oh, it could be.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Reese's, if you're listening, which I'm sure you are, fix that font. Right, Nick? Get that font squared away. Look, Mitch, we disagree on a lot of things, but this one we're on the same page on. Maybe fix that goddamn font Reese's. Comic sans or something fun.

The kids will like still. Yeah. Go with comic sans. Class up your organization. I wrote essays in comic sans as a boy like for school. Wait, really? Because I thought it was the cool one. You turned in like an essay for a high school written in comic sans?

In middle school. Yes, I did. I turned in comic sans. That's like the most cartoonishly bad looking font. Like it's roundly mocked by graphic designers. I thought it was cool. I thought it was like fun. I guess at one point it was cool.

At one point I was the fun guy in school, apparently, turning in the fun essay. St. Paul tells us that when I was a child, I acted as a child. And I thought as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things. I did. You know what? I don't use comic sans anymore. That's right.

But Reese's are for children. Anyways, moving on. Fried chicken, I think we were talking about. Fried chicken. What was your experience with fried chicken going up? Was it a thing you'd have at home? Was it a thing you'd get from chains? It was, as a kid, it was a special treat.

And I remember one year for my birthday. I might have been 12 or something. That was what I wanted for my birthday dinner was Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, wow. It was a very rare thing. We did not have it all the time. But it was, I loved it so much. Right.

The mashed potatoes and the macaroni cheese, all that stuff. The whole thing together was heaven to me. Wow. So specifically KFC. Specifically KFC. There were a couple other places. I always have fondness for kind of janky fast food. Flat hamburgers that you would get.

Like a dinky little place by the side of the road. That would be like after we were members of a pool. And every summer we'd go to the pool every single day. And then on the way home we would get water ice. And sometimes we'd get those flat hamburgers from this ice cream place on the corner across the street from the pool. And I loved them. Yeah. They were, even though I kind of knew that they were disgusting, I still, there was something about it that was very satisfying to my soul.

That warms my heart. Because you know what I would put in the same category as that is like a buttery hot dog. Like a buttery hot dog. You said hot dog. I know. I know. Yeah. I got to hear Zook say it.

It's another, we're not sure if it's me or if there's other people. I think my family says it the same way. But hot dogs, there's buttery hot dogs. Like kind of like skimpy, thin, like buttery bun hot dogs that I would get along with. Like I just like have this image of like those flat burgers from places like that. And we didn't have water ice, but like we would get some sort of lemonade. And that's just a, that's a great feeling. Yeah, absolutely.

So there was, we get like kind of junkie fried chicken from other places occasionally. And I don't know why it was, it really, I thought this is living. It was such a, I think because it was so rare and it was, it was made without, it's not like my parents would make a big deal out of it, but it just naturally became a big deal. Right. We, we, we, in my house, I feel like KFC would be a treat. Like if my, if my parents went out with my God parents and then all the kids would be at the house, we would get like a big bucket of KFC or something.

It would be like a big, a fun night. Like an alternate, like an alternate to pizza because we always would get pizza almost every Friday. And the bucket was fun. The bucket is fun. Real hoot. The bucket is a lot of fun. And I remember, I remember being so, the bucket, this, yes.

The Nick says things like a bucket is a real hoot. It's fun. But I mean, it is like, cause you can kind of approximate a family, a lot of fast food places, you're not really having a family dinner. You're having a bunch of your like individual things and sometimes I feel, but like you're getting that bucket and you can like kind of like, if you want to gussy it up a little bit and you want to have real plates and like, you can make it feel like an actual meal that you're just going to grab that last piece from the bucket.

Oh, right. That piece is for dad. That piece is for dad. Yeah. Dad gets the last piece. Dad always gets that last piece. Why not mom? Mom works hard.

Mom works hard. Mom gets the last piece from here on out. It's the hardest job in the world. Oh boy. Yeah. Dad probably got the meal because it was his turn for dinner night. He went out and got KFC because he's lazy. He needs to fucking straighten up.

Mom should get the last piece. I feel like it would be like a big, like it is. It felt like a celebratory thing. Right. Before we get into the food. Yeah. Real quick. When you say mom, in your mind, are you saying M-O-M or are you saying M-U-M?

I am saying M-O-M. You are saying M-O-M. Yes. I know. Okay. All right. I know. No, I know.

I'm sorry that I'm sorry. No, because I know, I know mom is also a Massachusetts thing. Yeah. Because we'd say mom. Yes. I assume they were saying it like in the British way. I think it is just like a holdover from the British. That's my, which makes me feel pathetic that I'm like a little British boy who's like,

mommy, mommy, you know, like I don't like that when I try to say mom. So you are trying to say mom and it comes out mom? It is just so ingrained in me that it's, that I've always said mom. Do you say like, what about a word like bomb? Do you say that like? Bomb. So you just, you do say that with not like a bomb. You say that like bomb.

Yeah. Bomb. What about B-O-X? B-O-X box. Is this a, have you, is this now a F-O-X? Fox. Okay. I made sure not to say F-O-X box.

We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back before no boys. Welcome back to dough boys. We're here with PFT talking KFC. Hi there. Paul. I got one big question before we get into our food. Um, what do you think of the colonel?

All right. I didn't know you're going to put me on the spot. Um, you're like Mike Wallace about to nail him on 60 minutes. Well, here's the thing. Ronald McDonald has, he's gone. He has been, he was, he was right. And Nick, he's, he's officially out. I mean, he'll be back.

He'll be back. Right. Is he in the Disney vault? Yeah. They froze him cryogenically. I think he's down at Knox. I think he's down and hanging out at Knox. Not, well, not, not Knox, Nottsbury farm.

You know what? I get to stay away from Nottsbury farm. It makes me have breakdowns every time I talk about theme parks. Um, the colonel is still strong. Ronald is, he's taken a back seat. He's, he's, he's in the vault. He's wherever we don't really know where he is. They announced at one point they were getting rid of them,

but I think that he will be back. Like Nick said, the current way they announced that they were, they announced that he was, he was done. Is that around when they had the sexy Hamburglar? Remember they had, they had that for like six months. There was the sexy Hamburglar. It was really weird. It was weird.

You bought a, did you buy a poster of the sexy hamburger? Why would there be a poster of him? I put it in my man cave. Hey, check it out. Sexy Hamburglar. And all of a sudden he's like, yes, kick ass. What I didn't like about the sexy Hamburglar was that the first image that we all saw of him, he's making us, uh,

complicit in his crime. Right. Because he's holding a hamburger that he's clearly stealing. Of course he is. He's burning it. And he's doing the shush with his finger to his lips. Like we're not supposed to tell the authorities. Yeah.

Yeah. We're not supposed to do this. See something, say something. Yeah, that's right. I'm not on your side. I dialed 911 as soon as I saw that J-Bank. There's a Hamburglar. Nick and I have a, have a, we are both, we are both,

we're, we both said that we're narcs. We would, we, we, we not, we would narc people out in an instant. Right. Uh, and, and so the Hamburglar is, I would, I would definitely, I would call them in. No, I have no compunctions about dropping down on the hamburger. But wait. But Mitch, you were curious about the.

The Colonel. The Colonel. Yes. I'm sorry. The Colonel. When I was a kid, I thought the Colonel, I, I of course loved the idea of him. I don't know why. Well, I don't know.

I was, I was a child who was like dressing up in suits. So to see this guy in that costume, it was like, this is, this is great. This guy is great. He wears a cape. He wears a cape, I believe. Right. He's a, he's a. What?

No, you're thinking of the lady killers with Tom Hanks. All right. He does not wear a cape. He wears a white. You know what I was thinking of the lady killers. He wears, he wears a princess. He doesn't not wear a cape. No, I think he's more.

I mean, maybe. The Colonel. Oh. Are you talking about the Hamburglar? I was thinking about the goddamn Hamburglar. We never, we never, we never went back to the Hamburglar. Mitch. We were firmly off of the Hamburglar.

For minutes. We were way off the Hamburglar. The original Hamburglar. Yes. He wore a cape, which now that you mentioned it does not make any sense at all. But he wore a pretty uniform and a cape and a mask. So. You know what?

I'm going to go home. He was in jail. He was in a scape convict. He didn't change his clothes. He just got a mask and a cape as some sort of disguise. You know what? I'm going to go all in now because I might as well. I think the Colonel wore a cape too.

No, he did not wear a cape. He did not wear a cape. He was not wearing a cape. He wore, he wore, he wore, he did wear suits. You're, you're a man who likes to wear a nice suit. Yes. And I think Nick and I should wear adults. We should do that instead of wearing gym shorts constantly.

What would you like? But I feel like you, you look good and you feel good. And the Colonel did have like a, like an air of, oh, this guy is a, he's got to have a good product because he, he looks the part. He was a gentleman. He was, he was very much a gentleman. I mean, say what you will. It's a good look.

It is a good look. It's a very good look. And now he is, he has transformed over the years. Now there's a lot of, there's comedians, there's a lot of comedians now who are more jury duty or something. I got to be the Colonel for ten spots, three print ads. Yeah. So first it was, was it Darrell Hammond?

Was he the first one? Darrell Hammond was the first one. Norm MacDonald. Norm MacDonald was in there. Oh, Jim Gaffigan is in there. I feel like we might be missing a couple. They, wait, they, the super tan guy did one of them. The, the, the very tan actor.

Oh, that's right. George Hamilton. Yeah. Really? There was one, there's one George Hamilton KFC spot. It was specifically because they had like golden wings. Yes. For the Georgia gold or whatever.

Yeah. For the Georgia gold. Yeah. Georgia gold. What's fascinating about all this to me is that the Colonel was a real man. Yeah. And so, you know, he had, he had this kind of amazing life and, and he didn't actually get, he didn't really come to fame until his like mid sixties.

But just the idea that it's, it's, it's like if Batman was a guy, you know what I mean? And they're just sort of like, oh, we're just going to continue the Batman franchise. He died in 1987, but we're just going to keep Batman going, you know? It's cause, cause none of the other fast. I mean, Dave's, they retired Dave from Wendy's after his death. Yeah. Nobody's playing him. No one's carrying his legacy on and making, like kind of making a cartoon out of it.

Like kind of doing a cartoonish impersonation. Yeah. That's strange. If Dave Thomas came back as like a cartoony man, I think people will maybe be upset. It's my guess. Understandably. But with the Colonel, like he kind of, he's on the signage. He's on the packaging.

Like he already is a little bit of cartoonish. He's kind of been, like that was part of his persona. So I think it feels a little bit less weird. Well, we've both seen the founder. Have you seen the founder? No, I have not seen the founder. We both enjoyed the founder, Nick and I, but, but, uh, I feel like they maybe tried Ray Crock is, uh, you see the, it's funny.

You see Michael Keaton playing Ray Crock the entire movie. And then at the end you see real Ray Crock and he's like, yeah, like, like, you, you just like hear that noise when you see him. And I feel like he's no longer alive, right? He's, he is past. Yeah. Yeah. But he, but he, he's just like, I feel like if they, they probably tried to do a

Colonel thing with Ray Crock at some point is my guess. And people were like, wait, do you think, do you think they tried to make like a, a cartoonish mascot out of Ray Crock? No, no, no. I'm saying back in the day, you don't think that Ray Crock was like, you come to McDonald's and like, I'm sure that he tried to be a spokesman. Yes. And I think that he is like very, probably at some point.

I think that he is like, when you, when you see Ray Crock, like it's, it's like, make that noise. You made that note that, that note. Like it's like, it's a guy who like kids aren't going to like Ray Crock. Right. I mean, I'm the same. Wow. I mean, like there's a lot of people like this.

There's a lot of like a, the Colonel is, looks dignified and, and, and looks like a fun grandpa. He looks like a character. Yeah. Yeah. And Ray Crock seems like kind of like a sca, like a scarier grandpa or something like that. You, you agree with me here.

I feel like I have to see a picture of Ray Crock. You'll get what I'm, you'll get it when you, when you, he didn't have the natural, he was a businessman. He didn't have the natural charisma of maybe some of these more showman-like executives or, or corporate founders. I don't think he was particularly gnarled looking by the way. Like you said, you're, you're talking about him. Like he's some sort of like monstrous looking man.

He just reminded me of like Ross Perot or something. He is like a little grim looking. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. It's kind of got a little bit of Mr. Burns to him. And then also like he was much, much older. No, I don't think he's this guy.

I don't, I don't, it looks like the, the sort of jerk boss on an old sitcom. Right. Yeah. He's not as friendly as the Colonel is. I'm sorry. I was looking at a picture. That was the issue. They focus tested these spots.

And then like a group of like 24 people watching it all simultaneously went, Hey, like, well, we can't air these. First, first they said, first they said, what was that? Yeah. Why did all these people make that one noise together? He, he, I think that the Colonel is like a, he was a friendly man. He helped, he helped the brand. I do agree with you that it's sad that not sad, but it's great.

It's just, it's, it's bizarre. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. Yes. Well, let's get into our food a little bit. Okay. So we got, we got a few different options here. We got one.

We got an eight piece original classic bucket just of the, the, the regular standard KFC, the chicken that made it famous. We got some mashed potatoes and gravy on the side, some mac and cheese. We also got three of the, the chicken littles, which is their new, it's kind of like a, I feel like it's kind of a Chick-fil-A inspired slider. But they had them. I feel like they come back and forth. Oh, is it not a new item?

It had to have before. New to me. Yeah. I think, I think they've been like specials for a time. And now they, they found out how easy it was to just put a strip on them. Charge two dollars or whatever. Yeah. They're, they're in now.

And then there was also a famous bowl in there in that order that we had got some taste of. But yeah, I guess let's just sort of talk through it. What is your standard order? What would you normally get at, at, at KFC, Paul? I mean, that's pretty much it. Yeah. You know, I would get the, I would get the chicken, like in my younger days, when I was

out on my own and I would buy Kentucky Fried Chicken, which I haven't done in a long time. Right. It used to be like, you know, it's that thing when you're first, you realize you're in charge of yourself and you're like, I'll do whatever I want. And then over time you realize, oh, I can't keep doing that. Right. I would eat Kentucky Fried Chicken once a year. It would make me feel bad almost instantly because I would wolf it down.

I did it. I did it today. Yeah. And then I would feel like I got punched in the stomach and then it would take like a minute for that feeling to fade. And I'm like, I'm going to get Kentucky Fried Chicken again. But I would get like a four piece chicken with mashed potatoes and gravy and macaroni and cheese.

Sometimes I get one of those weird little cakes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The chocolate cakes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a, that's a good order. I, I, I actually would never cause I eat a ton of fast food growing up, but I would go to a KFC Taco Bell. They had a KFC Taco Bell that merged together. So I'd get like a Zinger sandwich back in the day. Oh right.

I would always do. What's a Zinger sandwich? It was like, it was, it was this cave. They brought it back, but it's not the same. They brought it back. It's different. It's different. It was like a spi, like chicken strips and then like spicy sauce on a sandwich and it

was good. And, and here's the thing I was going to say about KFC and this maybe is a little strange, but I would, I was, I'm a strips man. I always would get strips at KFC. Really? Yeah. Just because I always just feel like having bones and stuff is just such a pain in the ass.

Oh man. I don't know. I get it. I get it. I like, I love fried chicken. I just, the strips are so easy to eat in there. Good. The KFC strips are good.

Yeah. I just feel like you're always, the issue with strips for me is that they're, they're sacrificing moisture for it to make it eat a little bit, a little bit easier to eat. But I feel like even with fried chicken, like there's bone in foods that are a pain in the ass to eat, but I don't feel like chicken is one of chicken is pretty easy to eat around you. Chicken wings though, I think. Chicken wings can be a drag.

Yeah. Chicken wings can be a bummer. I've never been a chicken wings guy. Just the idea of it being this, this amazing treat is always lost on me because I feel like it's so much work for so little payoff. Right. Yeah. I, I, I guess I can handle it with a wing, but like when it gets to like crab, that's

the thing. This is like, okay, that's too much work for me. Oh, I have to smash it with a hammer. Yeah. I've, I've, I've like, I've been like on a date eating chicken wings and then I'll like the rest. I mean, that's on you for ordering that. Yeah.

I know. But like we, whatever, it was one time and we went to eat rustic and I just remember like the whole time I was like, like there's sauce all over my face and all over my hands and I, it's discussed and that's, so I'm not, I'm not, I love, I do love buffalo wings, but there's got to be like a certain time and place and that's me alone in my, in front of the TV on like a Sunday or something. Right. And, and, and so fried chicken is can be a similar thing where I just don't want to,

it's too much to have the bones and everything like that. I do. Also bones and aren't bones a grim reminder when you're eating too. You can't think about it. You can't think about it. You can't. You just can't. It's true.

Either you got to either eat it or not eat it. The bones. But you must not think about the fact that you are tearing into the flesh of a thing. Yeah. Like you heard such early to eat it. It's like, yeah, I'll eat it off the bone. Right. I don't need, I don't need you to take another step.

I'm fine to just eat this thing. You don't have to debone it. Yeah. I just want to cut the carcass in half and let me have my portion. I always feel so bad when I look at the little graveyard I've amassed when, you know, and like if I eat buffalo wings or everyone I have that little, the little, the mound, you know, the bone mound, we don't know the bone mound. Right.

Yeah. Wings in particular, I feel like you can just see the amount of death that you've caused because it's, you know, an individual, an individual bird only has two wings. And so you're working your way through an order of 12 wings. You just know how many lives you've just, just, and like you're involved. Were you telling me specifically that birds, an individual bird has two wings? I was making sure that you knew that. But for me, the biggest thing, the biggest thing that I feel in terms of like, oh, the

number of lives that I've eaten is like popcorn shrimp where I've just got shrimp tails left. And I'm just like, oh my God, I just ate like 30 shrimp and I just ate like their entire body. Like I just put that, like all of it into my mouth. A family. Yeah. You wiped out a generation of shrimp. Right.

LLX. Uh, uh, locks. Okay. I hope I, I'm afraid that this, this bit will carry on into the outside. I'll see you in a year. And you'll yell a three letter word at me. I hope that I remember. I hope that I remember in a year's time.

So besides the death factor, I, I, I, I do, I do love fried chicken, but that's, that, that wouldn't be my go to, unless I was a big, unless we were doing a bucket. That, that's, that's the way I would do it. Well, how did you think the chicken stacked up today, Mitch? So from what I remember, I'm very interested in following what, what you think, because we did, we did the family style bucket. We got a side of mashed potatoes, side of mac and cheese. We talked about this a little bit.

Yeah. We got biscuits, the famous bowl and the chicken noodles. Yes. Uh, and also what else? We have apple pie and a cookie. Uh, we should I get into that later? Sorry. Uh, anyways, the chicken for me, the mashed potatoes tasted so much like they, like they

did 20 years ago. Absolutely. I was, I was kind of shocked that it, that they tasted so much like they, that they, like they once did. I couldn't believe it. It was like eating nostalgia. So it was, it was, it was crazy. The mac and cheese too.

I feel like that a mac and cheese has gotten a little maybe watery over the year. I feel like it used to be thicker. Like I felt like, especially KFC mac and cheese is like a little bit thicker, but it was, it was, I still was okay with it. You just mean like the, the tech, like the consistency of the sauce is a little, yeah, yeah. And then finally the chicken and then the biscuit, same thing. The biscuits were good.

What do you think? Maybe a little hard. I love KFC's biscuits. Me too. But I think the, you know, if you're comparing the different chains, I think church's chicken has the best biscuits, but I think KFC's biscuits absolutely get the job done. Like if they're flaky and they're warm and they're, they're moist enough, I think they're delicious.

Yeah. Then the chicken, here's why I felt like the chicken used to be more crisp. I don't know if I'm just remembering from 20 years ago. Well, there was, if you recall, an extra crispy option. Right. Okay. And it, which I, that was always tough for me as a kid because I, it was like, it was more savory.

It was more sugary. I don't know what it was. You could taste, it was like a junkier even version for sure of the chicken, but I loved it. It was like a thing. It's like one of those things where it's kind of too much, but I couldn't stop eating it. I couldn't stop craving it.

And with every bite, I was like, this is, this is intense, but I'm not going to stop. Yeah. I remember that as being the, definitely the, the, the crunchier kind of option. I feel like it's still coming into it. I was like, okay. I don't go there that often and I kind of like look on it like it's not one of the best ones, but it's, it's not a bad. It's not bad.

It's not, the food is not bad, but the chicken felt a little, a little more lackluster to me, but was still good. Like, like, right. The skin just kind of like comes off of it a little too easy. It feels like a little wet. I think, I mean, I think the texture of the, the skin, like the crispness of it is like a thing you could, you could maybe object to, but I think actually the flavor of the season is, it's very, it is very good.

It's very distinct. It's almost like, I think it's a little MSG heavy on it. Like it feels like you, you're just kind of can taste the MSG, but that's a good flavor. Yeah. And I really like the, I really like the texture of the, the secret herbs and spices or like the flavor of the secret herbs and spices is just the texture of the chicken. Like you're saying, it kind of feels like it's not, not as crisp as it could be. How many herbs and spices?

Isn't there like a number? Isn't 11, 11. Oh, it's 11. Okay. Yeah. And I can't taste all of them. In fact, I don't know. You can't.

In fact, I was counting them as I was, yeah, one of them was like, that's cardamom. That's time. The cumin. My, my, my, the only one I could get was pepper, which might be wrong. I thought I was sure pepper was in there. That's a safe bet. Salt and pepper, which is, yeah. One slot.

Those are gimmies. Those are gimmies. I'm the guy that the colonel shakes his head at when they guess. I was like pepper. And he's like, yeah, of course you idiot. There's pepper in there. If this was wheel of fortune, those would be like the free like vowels we'd give you at the end.

Oh, it's fine. Look, I don't know what else is in there. Right. But it does the skin. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe paprika. The skin does taste great. And the chicken was juicy enough. It was pretty moist. Yeah. It was pretty moist. I just, I, I feel like all together it didn't, it wasn't as coachy. It wasn't as cohesive as I remember being, but also remember this is, you know, we had

it for the chicken fight tournament. But, but then before that, this is like, you know, like in the last like 20 years before that, it was like five to 10 times or something, you know, not a thing you have regularly. Yes. Not at all. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember the last time I had it.

It's been quite a long time, but for me, everything tasted exactly as I remember. Yeah. It was really, it was like eating nostalgia. Yeah. It was easy how much it's like, yep, this is, it was like I ate it yesterday. Yeah. It was exactly the same as I remember. The mashed potatoes and gravy and biscuits in particular.

Yeah. Those were just like, yeah, it's like, like biting into a memory. And the mac and cheese, I didn't actually notice much difference from the mac and cheese, but also we were, I think we were a corn family. So I didn't get mac and cheese until adulthood, really. That was my adult. Was it corn? Yeah.

It was like a little corn on the cob. A little corn on the cob. And then they, I think they have niblets now. Cup. Why am I now getting scared too when it happens? My eyes opened wide. We, we, we did, we did, we did, we did corn too. I think we would do corn and mashed potatoes over the, over the mac and cheese.

I think when I was a teen though, you know, it hit up that KFC Taco Bell. I was getting that mac and cheese. How did you feel about the chicken little spa? Did you like the chicken little? It was good. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a, a Chick-fil-A kind of thing.

Yeah. And it was, it was enjoyable. A funny thing is I recently discovered after always thinking that I did not like pickles. I think I might like pickles. Oh yes. There was a pickle on there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And it was like, when I was a kid, I would take the pickles off of a McDonald's hamburger or whatever. And then I don't know. There's something, I have a weird love hate thing with pickles because there's sort of, there's something about the, the texture of them that I maybe don't like. And maybe it's the brininess that I sort of both love and hate at the same time. Okay.

But I, so I recently realized, oh, I've been leaving. Like I don't, I don't take pickles off of sandwiches anymore. If I, I don't know. It's a, it's a weird thing. That is, that is, that's, that's very funny to me because well, especially as a kid, I feel like pickles are fun, like the fun, like they're fun. I don't know why I didn't like them. But I also, I think I can only, I don't think I can eat like just a pickle.

Right. I think it has to be like slices on something else. I don't know that I would ever. Oh, like a pickle spear. Yeah. I don't think so. Is it the cucumber? Like, like, is it like a, I guess the texture is strange.

It's soft. It can be soft. I think a lot of things are probably holdovers from when I was a kid of convincing myself I didn't like a thing. Okay. That just became part of the fabric of my personal identity is like, oh yeah, I don't like that thing. Right.

Sometimes I have to realize why I may not have had that since I was a child and maybe I would actually like it. You know, my question to you is, did you like tomatoes as a child? I did not like tomatoes. I liked all tomato based things. Yes, we do. And it was not until adulthood that I could eat tomatoes, like just tomatoes. I think that a kid's number one enemy, I think is tomato.

I think kids hate tomatoes because I hated tomatoes growing up, but I loved tomato sauce. Absolutely. I loved ketchup. Yes. And any other, I can't think of any more. Tomato soup? Tomato soup. I didn't like tomato soup as much, but I have grown to like it a lot.

I love tomato soup. Tomato soup is, there's great one at Sidewalk Grill, by the way. Oh, really? Great tomato soup. Okay. It's amazing. Nick, were you, did you like tomatoes? No, I did not like tomatoes.

Did not like tomatoes as a kid. All right. My theory is working out here. I think kids hate tomatoes. Yeah. I think that's probably true. They're like weird. Well, there's a part of it too is of when there was a bad comedian, you throw tomatoes

at them. Right. And so like, you're like, oh, these are the things that you throw at someone you don't want to eat. Like, you know what I mean? Like these are the things you're getting rid of. Right. No one wants these things.

Like that movie website, Tomatoes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. Rotten tomatoes. They go rotten. Right.

Attack of the killer tomatoes. Yes. There's a lot of reasons to dislike tomatoes. And I think the kids hate. I think kids hate them. I think that's probably true. Because they're weird. They're unique tasting and they're, they don't, and they also taste very foreign.

It's the same way if you eat a strawberry, you eat a cherry versus the strawberry candy or the cherry candy. It's very foreign from what the, like the kid friendly version is. So I think we have the real thing that there's a, there's a natural sort of a version. We want to hear from listeners hashtag dough boys, 18 and under all you 18 year and younger kids who listen to the podcast, Paul, hold on, text, tweet at us and tell us if you like tomatoes or not. Wait, what's the hashtag?

You just said hashtag and a long sentence. Hashtag dough boys, 18 and under. I really don't think you should be using this hashtag. I think this is going to get us into trouble. The listeners who are eight dough hashtag dough boys listeners, 18 and under. And also a hashtag. If you're using that hashtag, feel free to DM Mitch. Jesus Christ.

That's disgusting. Do you guys ever get pushed back from a World War one veterans for the name of your podcast? You know, I don't think, I don't think any of them are alive. I think the last World War one veteran, the last World War one, but no, we've, we've never gotten any pushback for, I mean, it is stolen dollar. We, we, someone, we are just using something that they used to identify veterans. We ran into one World War one guy and he's like, I love it. He loved the podcast.

He was a big fan. That was nice. Yeah. Well, that's, that's all you need. That's your seal of proof. You said we should review more mush. Gray mush, he said. He said we should have this nurse on the podcast.

This is our review of gruel, which speaking of which, the KFC famous bowl. Yeah. This was something you requested, but I never had one of these. I had never had one either. That's why I requested it. I could not bring myself to try it either. I was, I was, I had enough. It looks visually unappealing, very visually.

You were very right to not taste it. I mean, it doesn't look, it's, it's mashed potato based with then corn on top of that. Then you get little chicken nuggets, basically, like a fried chicken nuggets or, and then gravy and cheese melted on top of this whole mess. And I was saying that that was very much like, I was like, this is like the nightmare scenario of like what they serve in like, like a nursing home or something. Like it's, it's not, it's not, it wasn't fun. And it didn't taste that great.

Right. Like, like, like I'm surprised that there, I'm surprised that people like this. I'm surprised that it's kind of like a popular new thing because the double down, there's a sandwich at double down that had no bun. And I never tried that either. I like the double down. Really? Yeah.

I mean, cause the thing is like, it looked so fatty, but it was actually, if you, it if you actually break it down, it was more carb friendly than like a, a sandwich with a bun. Cause you're just getting two of the chicken patties with meat and cheese in between. And so it was very heavy because they're breaded chicken patties. So you could get it grilled. I only had the breaded version, but it wasn't nearly as like this kind of cartoonish thing because like, if you think of it, it was less, less bread than you'd get on like a

whopper. You know, I mean. Okay. Yeah. But I never had one of those. And I'm surprised that those don't stick around and the famous bowls are, are still there. Oh, are they not around anymore?

The double down, the double downs are not around. There's something about the, the, the sort of the embrace of the gluttonous factor of these things that fast food in the last handful of years, maybe 10 years has really just like gone all in like, yeah, we're going to put together, you can get a thing. Well, it's just like a bowl full of everything that you eat in one sitting and we're going to pour cheese on top of it too. Yeah. And there's something about that that is, I guess, profoundly disgusting.

Right. That it feels very, it feels very America and very like, it's almost the worst aspects of everything. Yeah. It's cynical. It's like, yeah, you'll eat this. Yeah. You fucking monsters.

And it's also catering to this, which is, this is actually almost the part I enjoy about it. Is it's catering to stoners and drunks, right? Yeah. For sure. You know, that whole fourth meal thing and everything. It's like. Often overtly.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Taco Bell, we've, we've talked about this before, like it's like a dangerous place at two 30 in the morning. Like, like I feel like that's like people who are, are like very drunk driving through the drive through. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I can tell because sadly I'm going there not drunk and I'm seeing every, and it will be, it would be so packed, but they do, they can, and Jack in the box is the same. They have like a stoner. Yeah. Four. Yeah. They've really pushed that.

Yeah. Well, part of young brands as is KFC and it feels like Taco Bell is certainly more than anyone. You could also put maybe Carl's Jr. Hardy in that, Hardy's in that category has really pushed the, what you were talking about Paul, the, the idea of like just excess for fast food items. So it feels like some of that probably the, the famous bowl is probably the same. Well, that's kind of where KFC leaves me a lot because I feel like it's like, it seems

like sometimes they're trying different things and I'm like, what is their identity? I feel like it was like a wholesome with the old colonel or the wholesome family. Yeah. Yeah. And now it's like, like, what, what are they trying to do? They got the golden wings. They have the colonel is weird now. I like, I'm kind of like, what is, what is the deal with KFC?

That's like all, all food marketing. It feels like these days kind of the self-aware mascot. Yeah. Chester Cheetah is kind of now the self-aware sort of snarky, winky version of himself. Yeah. I hate, we, we said that we hate the new. What did he used to be like? He used to be just like a cool, used to be like Axl Rose.

He was fucking cool. Nick and I thought he was much cooler. And now he's like an uppity British man is he's like, he's like, he's kind of snooty. He's a little disengaged. Yeah. He's a little detached. I feel like if I was eating Cheetos in front of him, I'd be like, how do you like those or something.

I'd be like, these are your product. You're making fun of me. He's got, he's got, right? I feel like right. He's gotten, he's, he's, his head has gotten big or something. That guy. Amen. No, I feel, I feel like every bit of food, like I feel like all these mascots now, these,

these ones that like even we knew from, you know, back when they were like just like serial mascots in the eighties or whatever, they're all like, they're all self-aware. And I feel like they're all, like, I feel like the, the, the copy we're getting from all of them is like, uh, like, uh, yeah, I'm a toucan who like serial. I know it's pretty random. You know, like they're all kind of like trying to be like, oh, we're doing some sort of internet-y irony. Yeah.

So just embrace who you are. You don't have to. You're talking to cam. That's cool. Yeah, exactly. I mean, is it like they're giving you permission to eat this shit? Like we're saying like, look, we all does garbage. Yeah.

Life's a joke. But I do think that KFC isn't like, you know what Carl's Jr. is, you know what they're, you know that what they're marketing is. I feel like even McDonald's has become like more of, has moved, moved more into the area of what KFC was of like, it's McDonald's. I'm loving it. Here it is. And this is what it is.

And KFC is just kind of like, it's, it's, it's strange to me in some ways. I think they're, I think what they should be doing, I think I don't know what their, their, how successful their business, I mean, certainly worldwide, they're, they're the second hugest chain. They're, they're very, very successful. I don't know how their business is in North America exactly, but it feels like what they should be doing, what they should be kind of embracing is just the idea of that you can feed your whole family because that, I think that's the thing.

It's like a fun, it's like a family dinner in a box. Yeah. And my memory was always the ad camp. Right. Like, look at all the food you get for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know how much it, like, again, you know, it's, it's hard to tell from

their marketing because it's so kernel focused right now, how much that's, that's their, the bullet point they're trying to convey, but it feels like that's what they should be doing. Yeah. It almost seems it's more like about sports where they're saying you can get all this because I think like most of the, the ads are kind of centered around sports. Oh, okay. You know, where it's like, it's, hey, you and your buddies and your man games. You can get all this fried chicken has like nothing to do with family anymore.

Yes. Yeah. Boy, good. That's a, those are our new families, our, our buddies we down in the, down in the man cave. Yeah. Yeah. Families are gone.

Now it's just dudes hanging out in man caves, emulating the sexy hamburger. You would, you've never had a, you've never, I feel like you've never even had a space to have like friends over. Am I right? I feel like in your house, yes, in my home, there's a bed and there's a bed in a TV. I have way. Hold on. You live, you live in the hospitals.

This is all. Yeah. This is all like a fantasy because I'm in a medically induced coma right now. So that's what we're not real. You're not real. You songs real, but the rest of you are, I feel so bad for your imagination would have to be better than you going to do a food podcast. Um, no, I, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't have a lot of guests over, but we

do have guests over at times. I think, I think we maintain a lovely home. My wife and I, my dad and his, his later years, all of a sudden I went home one time and he's like, I got like a man cave. I was like, you've never in your life have ever, you've never even said man cave. I've never seen like your friends come over and have a beer ever. They never did. But he had a little man cave down in the basement and it was great.

And it was just for him. I mean, no one, it was just his man. It was no one else. How did he decorate it? Uh, a lot of nudie pics. It was actually trips, uh, pictures. My mom put up pictures from their trip to Africa. They, that's nice.

You know what happened is my mom, they went to, they went to Wally Wine and she went to Wally Wine and liquor, which is a packy, a package store. Uh, and someone from Kalua was like, uh, hey, like you should try some. Someone from, oh, like a rep for the brand. A rep. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry.

That did it. That does seem very strange. Like, is that a place that I don't know? Island of Kalua. Someone from Kalua was like, Hey, you should like, uh, try some Kalua. My mom's like, I am an older woman. I've tried Kalua and they're like, just try it. You can sign up for this thing.

And she's like, okay. She drank the clue as she signed up a few months later. She won a trip to Africa. Wow. My mom won a trip to Africa and she was like, we never would have gone there ever in our entire lives and, and they, and then, so then they like actually spent some more money to like upgrade the trip. They went down to Africa.

They said it was a life-changing experience. They saw a leopard pull of, uh, a baby oxen up into a tree. They saw all this crazy stuff. I mean, that is horrifying. That is life-changing. And they decorated the basement, uh, uh, uh, based on the Africa trip from real pictures that they took and the nudie pigs. Um, from that same trip, unfortunately.

Yes. A lot of natives, topless natives, national geographic mother and father, whatever they were doing, um, it was awkward bringing friends over. Um, but yeah, no, they, they, they, they, they, he got a man cave. And I just, I feel like you're a guy who has never, I feel like you've never had a friend over your house in your life. What do you want? We, I like, as a youth, I would a lot.

I'm married now, but yes, have you ever had a friend come over to your Santa Monica? To my, my, to a current place in Santa Monica, where you live, have you ever had a friend come over? Yes. You're asking me that. Yeah. You expect me to answer that question. Have you ever had a friend come over?

I don't think so. I knew it. You've never had a friend. I knew it. All right. Let's get to our final thoughts. Uh, Paul, this is how this will work. We'll go around.

We'll sort of give our closing argument, if you will, all our, all our thoughts collected over lifetime experience of this chain and then give it a rating on the order of one to five forks. You are a guest. We will start with you. I'm going to, uh, I'm going to say four. Wow. Because it, it's a very, um, it's a very satisfying eating experience.

Right. And it's undeniably tasty, you know, but it always does make me feel kind of bad after. Yeah. And I can't even, even now I'm kind of feeling, I just feel like, well, I'm also hungover. I went to a birthday party last night and, uh, the fittingly I had my old hangover food, Kentucky fried chicken.

I've been over it a long time, um, but, um, but yeah, it always does make me, but, you know, it's tough for me to, to judge because I also have been a lifelong too fast eater. Sure. I think it comes from growing up in a big family and I tend to just like, I don't know, it's like I start and I just don't stop until it's all gone. But there's no, there's no pause and there's no rest. It's just, I eat it until it's done.

So that might have something to do with it. But it's also, I mean, it is fast food, you know, but it's, it's good. It's good. I agree with you. I feel like we were very hard on, on KFC when we, when we did the chicken fight because we were putting it up against other chicken. And I gotta tell you that, that skin, the chicken's, it's a good taste. It tastes very good.

Yeah. The famous bowl was no good. The chicken littles were fun and they were good, good enough. And, and, and, and I liked the sides. It's like a very specific thing. It makes sense that it's the, the second biggest chain in the world. And it's a fun family thing. I, I, I feel like the chicken is maybe hit or miss.

If you have a good KFC, I just, I just wanted to, I want it to be more cohesive. But overall, I think I'm going to be nicer. I think I'm going to give it three forks and a quarter fork. One, what is that? One time, one time, three, three forks in one time. And I respect, I respect, I respect the four forks cause I was, I was almost going to go three and a half. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's good.

It is what it is. Like it's, it, there's a reason that it's been around for so long. I think they have to still figure out some things, but like why even change too much. Right. It's, it's such a successful chain that keep doing what you're doing, I guess. Yeah. And it was, so you can always go back and taste that nostalgia. It's nice.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with a lot of your guys' observations. I am a huge fried chicken fan and I think it is, I think it deserves to be up there in the pantheon of great American foods. I mean, it's your cheeseburgers, your pizza and I know pizza, I know these are all imports. I know these are all things that we have.

A fried chicken, you know, is, is partly, I think it's partly, you know, the some, some cooking techniques from Europe and some, some spice techniques from West Africa, if it's a bunch of things that have converged, but I feel like it's a uniquely American dish and I, and I think Americans do it well. And I feel like the KFC deserves credit as kind of the, the Johnny Apple seat of the trailblazer, the trailblazer and I like of the big, the big chicken chains, KFC, Popeyes, churches, for me, it gets the bronze. I prefer churches chicken.

I prefer Popeyes, but I think all three of these chains belong in the Golden Plate Club. Wow. Now, Mitch, here's the thing. Popeyes isn't first. I feel like we need to revisit Popeyes because I think it's, it's, it's a shame that Popeyes is on the outside looking in because I think Popeyes is great. I think Popeyes is the best of those churches is in the Golden

Plate Club. I'm going to give KFC four forks because I believe it belongs in that same company, but I think we got to revisit Popeyes and we got to, we got to nudge up that score a little bit. Can I change my score to three and a half forks then you're going up to three. So it was still keep it out of the Golden Plate. It's still out of the Golden Plate. Three forks in two times, three forks in two times.

It still keeps out of the Golden Plate Club. Okay. I just, it's hard for me because I need, I need this, that chicken to be consumed. And maybe we'll revisit. Don't worry, Paul, you never have to come back here. But we, we might have to, I, cause, cause, cause the taste is there. Right. But you got what I'm saying with like the, the skin falling off of it and so on.

Yeah. I think that's an issue. And you know, look, we, I should have acknowledged that we, we, the chicken sat for about 10 minutes in the Rachel Ray bag, what they had, maybe that affected that some of the, it's an insulated bag. So it could stay pipe and hot, but maybe that affects the moisture disbursement. Maybe that affected some of the skin falling off. I can't believe I'm the guy who kept it out of the, I'm usually the one who

wants it to get into the golden play, every place. And now I'm the one who kept it out. Well, you know what else you can also kept Popeye's other golden Blake. I'll be only give that three and a half. Oh, Jesus. We gotta revisit that one. Um, in any event, that was our review of KFC. Oh boy.

It's time for a regular segment. We have a fast food item that we bought yesterday and we're going to test how well it held up after spending a night in the fridge. These are the leftovers. So I've gotten some guff online, uh, from people telling me that that is not the current, the leftover steam from the second season and beyond. That was only the season one theme and they're saying that I should update the theme.

Let me be clear. That is the official theme song for the leftover season one, but it's also official, the official theme song for the segment that the leftovers on dough boys. We're not going to change it. This is, that's just what it is. So, yeah. So don't get hung up on that. Um, all right, Mitch, what do you have for us for the leftovers today?

Let's explain to, let me just quickly explain to Paul. So this is, we, we, we bought this last night. We put it in the fridge hot. We put it into the fridge, you bought it directly into the fridge, directly into the fridge. Um, this is not something that anyone normally would ever do. No, no, no, no, no, never do this. Um, so this is, it's, it's, it's leftover.

Today we're doing it. We're doing a big one today, I will say. Um, so basically what you do is you're going to take a bite at this and then you're going to decide whether it should be left here on earth to, to wallow in the sad state of affairs or, or is it Justin Thoreau? Is it? Justin Thoreau. Yeah.

Right through Thoreau. I think it's Thoreau. Louie Thoreau, Justin Thoreau. Okay. Yeah. Justin Thoreau will take this up to heaven with him. Right. Is basically, doesn't he stay on earth?

He's one of the leftovers. That's the whole thing. He's in this scenario. He takes the heaven. Um, all right, but today we have, he's Justin Thoreau going to take this with this, which is good to bring it to heaven if it stays here on earth. Uh, and where's, where's a white jacket today? We have some may call the Rolls Royce of fast food sandwiches, the Big Mac.

Right. This is big. Here's the thing. Lettuce heavy, which sometimes just isn't great with a, so Paul, you can take a bite of it. You don't have to eat too much if you don't like, cause I'm going to say right out of the gate, the texture of this bun is really, it has not held up well. I mean, it has gotten very, very hard overnight in the fridge.

Yep. I'm going to take a little bite of this. I can take a bite as well. I mean, it tastes like a Big Mac, but it tastes like an ice cold Big Mac. I wonder how much you could bring this back to life with a little, thank you, Paul. Um, friend of me, that Afghan, I wonder how much you could bring this back to life with a little time in the microwave or the toaster oven. I mean, because of, because of, because of the bread and lettuce factor, it's

always tough with the microwave. It's not like hot lettuce is disgusting. Nick loves hot salad. By the way, no, that's not true. No, don't like a hot salad. I like a normal temperature salad. I agree with you. The hot lettuce is disgusting.

Wait, it's an ongoing thing that you accused Nick of liking hot salad. He's accused me of liking, like I like to warm up my salad in a saute pan before I eat it. You like, you, you admitted to liking some sort of hot salad. No, I didn't. I think I said a salad with some warm elements can be nice. Okay. That's, you know, you get like a, like a, like a salad with some roast duck or

something. You get like a high end salad. He loves the hot. No, I don't like, if I just get like a chicken Caesar salad, I don't want that. I want that cold. I don't want that warm. How cold? 80 degrees.

No. Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. Baseless thing to accuse me of. And your acolytes just believe this. They just get, they just accuse me more than they hate you. That's not true. Um, here's, they, they both of us then, um, here's what I, here's what I think saves

this sandwich a little bit. Uh, and it's, it's your old friend, the pickle gives it a, it gives it a crunch. That it gives it kind of a crunch that it needs. Yeah. I'm actually shocked about, I'm shocked that this tastes as good as it does. Cause it didn't feel good. The sauce helps too. It didn't look good.

The sauce helps. Absolutely. It's, it actually is for me, I'm going to vote that it gets taken up to heaven. Cause I, I think it's actually not bad. Yeah. Um, I would eat, I would, I would, if I was hungry and I was like, I have nothing, huh, there's a big Mac here. I maybe would eat this just cold.

In the very odd situation where I bought an extra big Mac and I left it in the fridge overnight, I would, I would enjoy this the next day. I mean, it's not as good as a fresh big Mac, but it's still fine. And I think there's, there's probably some wizardry you could do to sort of resuscitate it a little bit. Maybe if you, you toast up the buns separately from, uh, and, and heat up the, the, just the mid part and the microwave or something. I don't know.

I agree that I would have this raptured up to heaven. Right. Um, with Justin Thoreau. Um, and I have a confession to make, which is that I actually enjoy cold leftovers. Wow. I am fine to, it's, it's like most, most leftovers the next day. I could absolutely eat cold.

No problem without, without most of them. Well, yeah, I think it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never pizza. I've never heated up in my life. I agree with you on pizza. And actually we, we, we reviewed fried chicken today. Actually I like fried chicken for me. I like to eat cold pizza.

I like to heat it up, but you never heat it up. I like it just as much cold as I do hot. Wow. Wow. That's, that was a question we had, we had a, we had a few weeks back. That's crazy. I've never, that's love it. Wow.

I do like cold pizza. I do think it's really good. It's like a different thing. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's a different consistency. And it's, it's a different experience. But you like it more than hot even? I like it just as much as what I said.

I'm not some, uh, Nick that you can, uh, throw accusations at and everyone believes it. Oh my God. Scared the life in me. MOP. Mup. There we go. Oh, I kind of did say mup. Yeah.

It's like a slur for a muppet. Fucking mups. Get out of here. Kermit, get out of here. You fucking mup. Whoa, man. My kids are here. Um, yeah, I was, I was impressed by this.

I liked, I usually like to heat up, uh, I don't know if there's anything that I usually eat cold that I, that I, that I, that I like a leftover. I always like to heat it up microwaves though. Let's be honest, microwaves are not great. No, they're not. They're not good. It's funny how little they have come along as long as they've been around. Right.

But it's like, there's, it's like, there's not enough settings or something. You know, it's still like, you can't ever, I've, there's like a, I got to get this burrito from Trader Joe's that it doesn't, there doesn't seem to be any consistency to, uh, the time, uh, in regard to how well it gets heated. So sometimes it'll be perfect. Same amount of time. Another time it'll be like cold on the edges. It's like, I don't understand why this isn't working.

Yeah. I, I, I 100% agree with you because like, I had a microwave in the 80s when I was, when I was a kid and I was like, Oh, this, the technology, see back to the future too or something. And they, they rehydrate a pizza and you're like, wow, that's going to be in, in 20 or so years, we've gone 25 years and it is very like, they, they can't like single out different that you're reheating a big Mac. Like they can't make it taste like it did yesterday.

Even just the center still being cold and a lot of stuff is just such a frustration that you think like the microwave industry would have sold for me, it's always like, when you get like, cause I do, I remember we used to be broken and, and, and I get like the hungry man meal is like, and I just remember how complicated those were to cook where it was like, put this in for 45 seconds, take, rotate it a quarter turn, another 45 seconds, take it out, take the, the plastic just off the corn, put it back in there. They're like, cut a slit over like the, the, the Salisbury steak and put it.

It was like, don't cut a slit over here. Puncture this one. Don't put that one. It was like harder than just like preparing a meal. And then it would still come out and it was like everything would, would, would be gummy and not fully warmed. Yeah. I would think that it would just be a matter of the thing sensing when it was

cooked, right? You know, where it's like, it should be, get to this temperature. So the machine will go until it's that temperature, as opposed to just like, we're going to throw this much radiation at it for this amount of time. The popcorn button, uh, most of the popcorn will pop. I don't know. See what happened or it might be, or it might be burnt or it might, or some might pop it up, not pop it all.

Yeah. It's very far. They're going to step it up. Whoever the, they really do step it up, step it up. Hashtag, step it up microwaves. Is that how it goes? Yeah. That's perfect.

I'm doing it. Okay. We did last episode. We talked, we, uh, last episode, I called out queso a little bit. I was like, it says something negative about queso. And then they'll veto went after me on Twitter. I wonder if we're going to get any pushback from like GE. We're talking microwaves.

Oh God, I hope not. Westinghouse is going to drag us. Yeah. Velveeta went at Nick. It was a great moment. What did they say? Oh, they just, they were like, cause Nick was like, Velveeta is like too, like, uh, I didn't insult Velveeta.

Hold on insulted queso. I actually didn't even sell queso. I was talking about Chipotle's execution of queso. Yeah. And, and Velveeta said, you can always spice up your, with Velveeta, you can add as much, you know, hot sauce or whatever you want to it. Nick is not like a spoon of mayo. Nick has admitted to eating a spoon of mayo before as a child.

Yeah. As a child. And he loved it. And then, uh, and, and it was good. He didn't deny it. Uh, and, uh, and Velveeta came at him. It was, it was, it was a little Twitter war for a moment there. And it wasn't really a war.

They just insulted me and I took it. Yeah. I took it. I like that shit. Oh God. Uh, just like a restaurant. Wait, hold on, Nick, is this going up to heaven for you? Oh, all of us.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. If I wasn't clear, I would give this to Justin Thoreau to carry up to heaven. Perfect. In our, in this version of the leftovers. Uh, just like a restaurant value feedback.

Let's open up the feedback. Today's email comes to us from Joe Bastia. Joe writes, now that Game of Thrones has returned to the public eye, I find myself irrationally angry at the popularity of such a godawful, horribly written television show. Even people whose opinion I usually respect tend to shower this show with undeserved praise. They, this hatred does have me wondering though, if I could apply this

feeling to a popular food stuff, are there any chain restaurants or even specific food items that you guys dislike, but everyone seems to enjoy the sentiment can be enough to force one to question his or her sanity. Hmm. So he's, he's, he's taken a contrarian opinion here. Although you and I have had our, uh, we, we have said, have both observed a decline in the, in the quality of Game of Thrones from our perspective. Paul, are you, are you a Game of Thrones watcher?

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't think I'm a Game of Thrones enjoyer, but I watch every of them. That's kind of how I feel now. If it's kind of turned into a slog, I feel a little bit. We've been saying, cause people accuse us. They're like, Oh, it's so easy to say this.

And Nick, you and I have felt this way for a couple seasons. Yeah. I definitely, I love the first season of Game of Thrones. I thought that was like just one of my best seasons of TV. Here's where I stand. First three good, fourth, pretty good. Okay. Five kind of bad six and seven bad.

I can't believe it's seven season. It's kind of crazy how long it's been gone. It's been on for a very long time. I, uh, it's just, there's like, but we, you know what? We, where we got upset cause we were like, we were so mad at the time consistent season and there's been stuff like this all year. It wasn't just this last episode, but there was a specific time consistent as the last episode.

We were like, Oh, that's annoying. And then people were like, it's a show about dragons, dudes. And we're like, but you can't be consistent with internal consistency. It's important. That's what makes a show good. Right. If it, if it establishes rules of a universe and then abides by those rules,

but it can't just be anything. It's like the thing about the, the zombies having the chains and everything, like that was a decent criticism. Yeah. Like that's insane because it's, especially when you consider the dragon as a cartoon, they can make it land wherever, like it didn't, it was their fault that they made, they wrote it, that it lands in this lake. Yeah, exactly.

And they wrote that these guys have chains out of nowhere. Like that's, that's on, yeah, that's on them. That's bad. And they also specifically wrote that these things can't deal with water. They sank. So like these things also went to the bottom and tied them up with to make it. He said, they wrote themselves.

And I agree with it. It's, it's, it's fantasies. A fantastical world. They can make whatever decisions they are choosing to make these decisions for to criticize them for making them. Yeah. Yeah. And especially the more fantastical the show, the more it has to have some

kind of logic to it that you adhere to so that it's, it, so that all that stuff isn't just ridiculous. Right. You know, it's got, that's, that's what makes it drama. That's what makes the stakes high. I agree. Is that if you have dragons, it's like, yeah, there has to be some kind of fucking rules.

And I think in the first three seasons, they did a good job with that sort of stuff. And I mean, they were very closely following the books and stuff, but it was paced out very well. It there, it does seem to be a thing of like, all right, let's wrap this whole thing up with this show. Right. Um, but as far as the food side of that goes, uh, we got so, I got so angry.

Um, uh, when we're ordering pizza, I don't like when people want mushrooms on it. That gets me no, no, no mushrooms at all. Wow. At all that, that has not changed since I was a child. They're still disgusting to me. I, is it the texture? What is it? It's the texture.

It's the taste. It's like, it's one of those things that I wish that I liked because people that liked them, they liked them a lot. Yeah. And I, I wish that I got, I had the same experiences other people did. Yeah. I have a little bit of an aversion because I had some food poisoning from a mushroom dip a while ago, and that was that, that just sort of made me, or no,

it was a portobello sandwich and then a spinach artichoke dip that I had both of the same in the same meal. Wait, was it, was there was mushrooms in the dip? No, it was a portobello sandwich. And then there was a, there was a spinach. I was going to say it's a Mario themed dress. Why is so many mushrooms, right? Why so many mushroom entrees, uh, uh, but you got, you got sick from the portobello

mushroom. No, I got sick from some company and brother spinach dip, but the mushroom was the same meal and I remember vomiting up both. And then so I have an aversion as a result, but I still, I still tolerate mushrooms and in certain settings I can have like, like, oh, this is a nice, uh, you know, whatever, cremini mushroom, like, like I can appreciate it in certain contexts, but in general, I'm like not super into it. I think besides that, it's tough for me.

Well, I think when people are say sushi and I, I do eat sushi now, I didn't know, I was going to ask if you ate sushi because you're not a big seafood guy. I don't know. I, I, I, I, it's not still not my favorite, but sugarfish is very good. And it's like a different sort of thing. But if you, that's more like a, like, like, it's a, it's a good mainstream acceptable sushi concept. Yes.

But I think you would agree with this. When people suggest sushi for dinner, it just is tough because then you're like, I either have to get sushi or like maybe chicken teriyaki, but sometimes that's not even at the restaurant. I always get the landlubber plate. So, so that, that, that, that is one that I will be like, I don't, I don't, I don't know, but there's nothing that I like, like we'll hate so much that I can't. I'm trying to think of something that like I hate so much.

One for me that I just don't get is LaCroix. Wow. I don't, I don't get what's so great about it. And I was wondering, I was wondering if you didn't like it today. Do you know what it is? It's, it's things that are, it's like, if you ever go to a place where they, they have a like spa water where it's like a big jug with cucumbers and stuff in it or lemons, it's like, I just want water or a glass of lemonade.

You know, but it's like that, that hint of flavor of something. It just feels like, what's the point? Yeah. I said to Nick that LaCroix makes me, I drink a full LaCroix when I'm thirsty and then I feel like more thirsty. Like I feel like there's something about it that's like the bubbles or something. Like after I finished LaCroix, I'm like, now I need like an actual drink. But does that happen to you with just like, like carbonated water?

Cause that only, it only specifically happens to me with these flavored ones. But I can drink even a Coca-Cola and be like, I feel, I think there's some specific thing going on with these artificial flavors that they've gotten. These things, I mean, they're, they're, I guess they call them natural flavors, but it's just that some chemical is involved, just produced from a different beans that let's it call, qualify as a natural flavor. But the, I feel like there's something within those that still like that has an anti quenching property in the same way that like, they say that artificial

sweeteners affect your body in the same way that like, like actual sugar does. Like you, you see, have a same sort of metabolic reaction cause just your body is perceiving sweetness. I think it's the same sort of thing with these hint of flavor waters. I just like an unflavored water. I mean, I'm okay with a LaCroix, but I'd rather have just like sparkling water flat sparkling water with no flavoring. I'm a big guy.

So it's always, I, I, it's, I, I'm supposed to drink these damn, I like Perrier more than I like LaCroix, but I'm, I'm, I want to say, what do you say? I'm a big man. Right. So I'm supposed to be drinking either water or look like, you're not going to have, you're trying not to have any liquid. I'm trying and even I'm trying to get myself off diet coke and I love diet coke. God dammit, I love it.

I love soda and it's a really hard, I, I will go in and out of drinking it every day where I like make myself stop and it's fine. And I drink water and I don't miss it. And then I have one soda and then it's, I'm back on the, I'm back on the train. Are you taking full sugar soda or like a diet? No diet soda. I, I, it's the only time I'll drink a full sugar soda is coke and a bottle. Yeah.

Oh man. It's so great. It's the best like that, right? The best they, they, they'll never, there never will be anything better than a Coca-Cola and I don't think it's, it's, it's, there's nothing. They're not going to beat it. Fuck you. Yeah.

Give up. Yeah. I don't think I have a good answer to this question. I mean, I was, I've mentioned before that I'm not a popcorn fan and I feel like people are like popcorn is the number one movie snack and everyone loves popcorn. I've had some good popcorn, but in general, I'm just like, they're snacks. I'd rather have, but yeah, I don't, I don't know if there's something that I feel like most things I like, most foods I like.

So it was something that has something that's popular that I have some contrarian opinion of. I have a hard time thinking of anything that fits that exact bill. Yeah. I don't know if there's anything I hate. How about you? No, nothing that I just said LaCroix. Yeah.

He mentioned LaCroix and he said mushrooms. I know anything I meant, I meant anything else. If you have a question or comment about the world of chain restaurants, you can email us at doughboyspodcasts at gmail.com to get the dough boys double our weekly bonus episode. Subscribe at patreon.com slash dough boys. I was just going to say, we're very excited to have you on here. I want to say, you know, I am a little nervous today.

I got to say this. This is very dorky of me, but when I came to Los Angeles, I thought I was a funny boy. I thought I was a funny, I thought I was, I thought I was a funny, I thought I was a funny guy because you came here at the age of nine. I was nine years old. You were an orphan. I was going to the comedy clubs and writing jokes at the comedy store for people. Yeah. Um, your short pants.

And then, you know, I, I, I saw you at comedy death, uh, death, uh, Ray would comedy bang bang. Uh, and you were one of the funniest guys ever. And then also I, I saw you on the road with the birthday boys. And every night I saw you come out and do a new character and improvise and be the funniest owners. And you're one of the funniest people. Thank you. Thank you. We're thrilled to have you. No, I'm thrilled to be asked. So there was some nervousness because I, I, I was afraid, uh, and I had a little

meltdown here and there, but we'll let it go. I just assumed this was business as you, I mean, it was pretty much, he's trying to act like it's an anomaly cause, of course I am. I want him to think I'm cooler than he thinks after the end of this. Paul, thank you so much for joining us. Do you have anything you'd like to plug at this time? My podcast, spontaneous nation, uh, comes out every Monday. Um, you can catch that there. Uh, I will be in, um, oh,

bajillion dollar properties, uh, which is the show that, uh, I was a cast member of for a CISO CISO, of course, is no more, um, to the surprise of absolutely no one, but there's a fourth season of the show that is completed. It's all edited post production. It's ready to go. So we're really trying to find a home for it, you know, um, and they're shopping around right now. So far no takers, but, um, if you want to, you know, bug the, the networks that you like, if you think there's a place that it should be, then, uh, let them know on your social media. Um, we're using the

hashtag, hashtag by Jillian B U Y J I L L I O N. We don't know if that's going to make any difference, but we got to try, you know, because we love doing the show. Right. No, it's so many funny, very funny show. I'm afraid, I'm afraid of tulips behind it. Drew Tarver, who's been on the show. That's right. So very, very funny. Yeah. Check it out. Well, yeah. Tweet about it. Hashtag by Jillian. Yeah. Thanks guys. Of course.

And now we're here for this episode of no boys. No next time for the Spoonman, Mike Mitchell. I'm Nick Weigar. Happy eating. See ya. D. O. C. Doc.