Doughboys - Krispy Kreme 2 with Sam Sanders

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Sam Sanders (Into It, Vibe Check) joins the 'boys to discuss chopped beef sandwiches, being an RA, and South Texas eats before reviewing Krispy Kreme. Plus, another edition of Food Court. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/doughboys  and get on your way to being your best self.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On April 5th of that year, the North Carolina founded Donut Shop went public with the stock symbol KREM. And for the irrationally exuberant years that followed, it felt like a natural next step for the once regional ring baker. But America quickly outgrew its glazed phase, as Dr. Atkins and his diet disciples decried carbohydrates as enemy number one, leading to declining sales and store closures, only worsened by accounting scandals. In 2016, under siege by the SEC, the company sheepishly went private again. But in 2021, emboldened by its savvy acquisition of insomnia cookies, the brand had a second IPO, SPO under perhaps the single cleverest ticker on the NASDAQ index, Dnut. And with a low carb craze in the rear view and cash-strapped consumers eager

for budget-friendly eats, can this famously misspelled doughnuttery re-ascend to the apex mountain of breakfast pastries? This week on Doughnuts, sorry, Doughboys, we return to Krispy Kreme. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, along with my co-host, star of Grazing Bull, Robert Dorito, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Grazing Bull. Robert Dorito. That was sent in with best regards from Billy, roastspoonman at gmail.com. A couple of strained puns there, but, you know. You know, they used to call my dad the bull. They called my dad the bull. Did they really? Your dad the whammer. Yeah, I knew him as the whammer. They

called him the bull as well. I called him the bull, too, yeah. Was that because he was tough, tenacious? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. Because he was a bullshitter? He was nice. He was a nice man. It was nice. Lovely man. Oh, you met him. I forget that you met him. We had a lovely time. Great guy. RIP. RIP. Yeah. Thank you for the RIP. I think you maybe... He met you and he was like, that's it. I'm calling it. Wise. Yes. The people have spoken.

I'm removing the stairs from my home. Wow. Wow. You've gotten too many comments about your tableau, about how you have stairs. I've talked to a stair removal agency and they're coming next week and I'm going to take them all out. It's definitely going to complicate things in the house. Yeah. Are you just going to abandon the upper level? What are you going to do? Yeah. I mean, I might have to get some sort of rope situation, but I can't really climb a rope either. Yeah, that's tough. That was tough, even in gym class. Now we're 20 years older.

Yeah. But I'm a man of the people-wigs, so I'm removing the stairs from my home for the people. No more stairs. Wow. Can I suggest Fireman's Pole? I like that. Getting up is the only issue. Yeah, that's true. Maybe I could hire a strong friend to live on the second floor in a pulley system. Hmm. This seems more cumbersome than just keeping the stairs. Like you might want to just roll with the stairs and deal with the criticism. The stairs are growing away. Wow. It's Wally Boy Wags. I've had a stress week. Come here. Yes.

And this guy is a little part of the issue. I'll tell you right now. Wally is causing you stress? Supposed to help relieve stress? You know, I mean, he always relieves stress. Yeah. Yeah. I found a little lump at the base of Wally's tail last week, and I was so stressed out, you know this, and I took him to the vet the next day. And I was very lucky to find out on Saturday after spiraling out for a couple of days that it was, what's the word? Benign. Benign. Here it is. It's benign. And I cried tears of joy. I'm very grateful to have the little guy Wags. I love him. And that really made me think about

that, that I'm lucky to have him. And I was scared for a few days there. But he's good. He's good. Maybe I get the lump removed. I think it's just a fatty lump, I guess. It's been nine. The vet said, would do whatever the vet says. They say to leave it be, leave it be. Yeah. I'm going to talk to him. I was going to talk to him yesterday, but we were recording, and I got no sleep. So I'm going to talk to him, I think tomorrow probably and say, what are you doing? Should I get the lump removed? But I mean, now it's benign. There's obviously no rush as opposed to, he's got a little, he's got a little shaved butt, which is kind of cute. But, but sounds cute. It is cute. But what a relief. You should try it

sometime. Shave that ass. Shave that ass. Shave that ass. Right around where your tail is Wags. Fucking shave it all off. You started off so silly, suggesting this architectural impossibility removing the stairs from the townhouse. And then you got, and then you got very melon called. You got very serious. So I'm glad you brought it back to silly. I look, I'm lucky to have my Wally and Irma and I was scared and I'm emotional. I had, I wanted to, I wanted to let people know. I wasn't telling anyone until I figured out that it was good to go. So I, I, we're animal lovers here, Wags. So I was, I was very happy to get good news. We love our furry friends. The things are benign with your feline. You're sitting pretty with your kitty. He's on

my lap right now. And I, wow, that was a rhyme for the ages. He's, he's on my lap right now, Wags. And I can feel that little fatty lump and it's luckily nothing. All right, don't play with it. I can't help myself. Jesus Christ. I like touching this little lump. Oh, wait a minute. Is it just as dick? Oh, it's his dick. I got to call the vet. I got to apologize. I got to apologize to the vet. The vet didn't notice. Yeah, that's on the vet, honestly. Yeah, I guess that is on the bed. Good point, Emma. All right, Wags, we should hit him with a little drop, but now I don't want Wally to move. Okay, hold on. You're okay, buddy. There he is. There he is. All right, here we go. I don't like the title of this drop already. I'm going to say

that. Great. But here is a little drop. Fuck Dom Brady. Fuck Dom Brady. Fuck Dom Brady. Fuck Dom Brady. Fuck you, Dom Brady. Wow. Fucking ear and piece of shit. Yeah, what have you done for me lately? Yeah. What do you mean, like the parody? Jesus, I don't want to get drunk. Creepy laugh at the end there. Does that capture how you actually feel about Tom Brady these days? He's not my quarterback anymore. I don't got to worry about him anymore. I was told for so long. I mean, obviously, he brought a lot of joy to me over the years, but now he's turned into like a fucking waxed faced fucking housewife down in

Florida. I don't give a shit. Yeah. It's not my issue anymore. He becomes a ghoul. He wasn't a ghoul. I was here. He's a good guy. Stand up guy. The reality is there. It's not my problem. Dear Doughboys, I made this about a year ago, but I sent it to the wrong email address. Oh, boy. It seems relevant again, given the dissolution of TB12's marriage. I guess that makes it relevant again. Mitch, you signed a sugar in the raw sugar packet for me in 2018. I still have it, even though the autograph has long since worn off. What the hell? How did it wear off? Shout out to super fans. Kinsey and Alex. Thanks bunches. Ivan and Durham, North Carolina, Nerf Carolina. Nerf Carolina would be fun. That would be a blast. Fucking Nerf guns.

Let's go around with Nerf bats. Yeah. Fucking. Oh, you had thought bats right off the bat. I mean, that's where my brain went. Yeah. I moved on to Mac. Mac Jones, baby. Wow. Or Zappy, Bailey Zappy, whichever one. It seems like it's Mac Jones now again, and he's never did anything wrong. Don't Google him. Okay. Whatever fucking truck has like a Confederate flag on the back of it or some bullshit. I forgot what he did. He did something bad, but I, but you know what? I've, I've forgotten about it in that time. So, uh, so it's fine. So it's fine. Wags, I want to quickly, uh, we got to introduce our guests because we got a great, we got a great guest today. And let me tell you, Wags, this guest

got credentials, but I want to quickly, I just want to quickly give a shout out. I want to, I want to, I want to quickly give a shout out because we were invited to two weddings, Wags. You saw these, I told you about them. You said no, of course. Uh-huh. But, um, Jess Jones and Matt Schmaltz. Um, my, my fiance and I absolutely love you guys. I've turned them into a podcast fan and he's turned me into something of a heat seeker. Doesn't chowing down on cheese curds and enjoying some brew dogs at the Paps brewery sound good. Thanks for being great. They invited us to their wedding. It's nice. Jess Jones and Matt Schmaltz. Jess, if I was there, I would have

objected and said, dump the goon, get with the spoon. Um, but, uh, and then also Elizabeth Bradley and Houston, Barbara, Barbara, Nick and Mitch. Doe Boys is our absolute favorite podcast and has gotten us through every road trip together. Thanks for playing such a big part of our lives. Houston and Elizabeth, they both, both sent us wedding invitations. Um, wow, lovely. One was, one was in Atlanta and one was in, uh, Wisconsin, I believe. Uh, now, did I say no, Mitch, because these were in the past? Is this one of those situations where you opened your mail late and then you blamed it on me? Okay. No, no, these were plenty on time. You said no, because you'd have to leave. You'd have to travel more than five miles.

Right. I'll zoom in. The other, I mean, the other one said cheese curds on get, oh, they said perhaps brewery too. So that's, seems like Milwaukee, right? One would think so. Yeah. All right. Anyways, thank you guys for listening and congratulations. That's what I'm trying to say. Both of you, dump the goon, get with the spoon. Why? Anything, just anything you'd like to say or should we just, we gotta get to our guest. We got to get to our guest, you know, speaking of fans. We love our fans and I'm a fan of our guest. I've heard him podcast a lot over the years. Very excited to have him. He hosts Intit, a culture podcast from Vulture, and is also a two-time McDonald's employee of the month. Wow.

Sam Sanders is here. Hi, Sam. Hi, it's so good to be here. I am so excited to do this. This is the first time since undergrad where I've had to eat doughnuts as part of the assignment. Am I spoiling it if I say doughnuts right now? No, not at all. Okay. Oh, you can say it. You can say it. That's fine. Yeah. All right. I have an undergrad story that involves crispy creams and intro to cultural studies class. Happy to tell it at some point, but first and foremost, honored to be here. Honored to be here. We're honored to have you. We're honored to have you, and especially a two-time employee of the month. Was that correct? Two times? Yeah, I want to start there. Oh yeah. So I started working at McDonald's in South Texas where I'm from,

literally when I was 14 years old. Wow. Thank you for your service. Yeah, God bless you. One of the ladies at our church growing up, her family owned like three, and our families were good friends, and she just always liked me. She treated me like one of her kids, and she was always like, when you're ready to come work at McDonald's, come on and work at the family farm. And I was like, okay. And then she was like, little secret, we can hook up like a little hardship family farming permit and let you work early. So there's still like carve-outs in the law that allow kids to work before they're like 16 or 18. It's like old farm shit. Right. She did it for me. So my little tidy self, 14-year-old in San Antonio, I think I first got an employee the month when I was 15,

and then once again, before I left McDonald's, but I worked at several summers during high school, and everything good about me came from the customer service I learned in that job. Was that your one, was that, did you work any other food service jobs? I sure did. So I did McDonald's when I was like 14 to 16. And then my junior and senior year of high school, I worked at this South Texas barbecue chain called Bill Miller Barbecue, and I fried chicken, bussed tables, and made chopped beef sandwiches, one of the worst jobs of my life. It seems, it seems hard. It seems complicated. Yeah. God, it was too much. Well, also, why are you going to have the person bussing the tables also frying the chicken?

Yes. Right. Yes. So I did that. It's a lot. And then I worked at a racetrack in San Antonio called Rotama Park, and my job there was half-time parking, and then half-time, again, making chopped beef sandwiches. That was my last touch of food in my work. And after that, it was, I was an RA and then, you know, talking for a living. There you go. Was that a South Tech? Oh, go on, Mitch. Well, I guess we're probably asking the same thing. Is the chopped beef sandwiches wise? Is that what you're asking about? Yeah. Is that a South Texas special? The chopped beef. It's a don't eat it special. Don't whatever you do.

If you were in a fast casual situation and they offer you a chopped beef sandwich or it's on the menu, unless you really love it, know it and trust it, don't eat it. It's the refuse. It is the part that didn't make the cut for the actual plates. And at one of the establishments I worked at, I'm not going to say names, the protocol was there was like the chopped beef table. There was like a metal table next to the first drive-thru window, but the chopped beef vat was in the middle of the table and like a metal tank inside of it. And as you were ladling out the chopped beef to make the sandwich, the rule was if any spilled on the table, you put it either on the sandwich or back in the vat. Oh my God. That's nasty. That's nasty. Don't eat chopped beef

sandwiches. Trust me when I tell you. Here's the thing. Nick and I both definitely want a chopped beef sandwich now. Yeah. I'm still in doing it. There's no way around it. Watch them chop it. If it comes out of a boat, if it comes out of like a crock pot looking thing where it's just been sitting there in a vat of whatever, don't trust it. Watch them chop that beef. Sam, I got to say this. I got two thoughts of everything you've said so far. One, Wyger DM me and asked me how we could get the child work thing going for dough boys. He wants to get kids in here working on the show. Okay. I'm down for it. Why not? If I ever have kids, by the time they're 12, they better be cooking for me. I'm going to feed your landlord, okay?

Let's go. Sam, the second thing is I was going to say is that you seem like you'd be a great RA. I think I'd have the relationship with you where you'd think I was a dipshit, but you'd still like me. I feel like you were a great RA. Am I wrong? It seems like you were great. I will say I love that work. I love my guys. When I was an undergrad as an RA, during that time, Gray's Anatomy was ascendant. I made all my boards on my floor. Watch it with me. Some of them thought they were too tough to watch them as Shonda. I said, we're doing this as a family. Come on in. I made them all Shonda heads. Sometimes while we were watching Gray's Anatomy, I would teach some of my guys how to iron and what does it mean to really eat a healthy meal.

I love my little kids. In hindsight, it was quite fitting that I was doing that emotional labor with these men. It seemed that I would very soon afterwards be openly gay. It was like, of course, I was tending to these straights and teaching them how to love themselves while watching Gray's Anatomy, but I loved it. I could tell you were beloved. You have that energy. Shout out to Debouie Hall at the University of the Incarnate Word. I rep the third floor for life. Wow. I love it. My only memory of an RA is that I had an RA who was kind of a tight ass. He was very much like, you guys aren't supposed to have whiteboards on your doors, that sort of guy. He was enforcing the code to the letter of the law. It wasn't a great experience.

I do get to say, if I was your RA, though, I would be terrified. Yeah. I mean, I was on his side. I was backing him up. I was like, yeah, guys, follow the rules. Seeing you walk into the dorm the first day and you're fucking and you're fucking leather jacket or whatever the fucking trench coat you were wearing. Okay, hold on. I'm saying you probably were scary. You probably were scared the RA a little bit is all I'm saying. I was probably wearing like a Kirby t-shirt. I was wearing a trench coat.

I will say they have a really intense protocol for RAs when you see someone who might be in distress. Your default is to be like, let me help you come over here, baby, but you got to pass them off. You got to pass them off to the superiors. And it's always like, I don't want to take my little tyke into the big leagues, into the big dogs, but sometimes you had to. Right. How to turn them in. That job has gotten so much in a good way and in bad way. It's probably gotten there's probably more to do in that job now. It seems like it's a complicated thing to do, even though I'm sure it was when you do, but now it's probably even crazier. I'm guessing in general, a lot of young folks entering college are just dealing with more

anxiety than we did, you know, like by all accounts and measures, Gen Z is just like living out the worst realities of like smartphone, internet, social media life, and it's making them nervous and sad. And I feel like, I don't know, I want everyone to go outside a little bit more, but I think that we had less of that internet pressure that they have now. It's insane. For sure. 100%. I'm like, my first broadband connection was in my college dorm room. We had dial up at home. And so like, that was the first time I had, I could like download an MP3. And I would plug in and like download songs on Rhapsody. It was wild. It's completely different these days.

Why? Didn't the president of the college come to your dorm and he was like, he got to stop downloading herby pictures. The university got sued by Nintendo. He's slowing down the internet connection for everyone. I was going to ask, well, we're on the topic of dorms. Do you have a, like, how was your college dorm food? We had a pretty decent, like, cafeteria situation. My school, University of Incarnate Word, it's bigger now, but it always felt like a hometown neighborhood college. And so everyone just got everybody and like, we were just like tight with the

cafeteria folks. And they were the homies and they would feed kids once their meal plans ran out. And they would like take in feedback as to what to make. It was not the best food, but you were always well fed. And you were doing the thing where like, there was a kid down the hall who had the rice cooker in his dorm. I feel like half of us illegally had a form and grill on top of the tiny fridge in the dorm. We ate. We ate. Yeah. It was a good setup. You know what's funny is just today, just this morning, Wags, I was texting with the other guys who lived in the dungeon with me. Can you now, do you now know who lived in the dungeon with me? Do you know this? What's the dungeon? This is the dungeon is where I lived my senior

year of college. Which school? I went to Ithaca in upstate New York and we lived on a house on Pennsylvania Avenue. And we lived in the basement. Three of us lived in the basement. Oh, wow. You know what they say about Ithaca? It's gorgeous. I like that. You know what? I never had one of those t-shirts. That was like a t-shirt. Like, I feel like a bunch of people, I felt like good people, good looking people, warm. I didn't have one. It's okay. It's okay. I didn't get one. You have to be cool enough where people know you're wearing that kind of ironically. Because if I put that on, people are just like, oh yeah, he's just that guy who thinks that's good. And I am. It's nothing like say a Kirby t-shirt where

people just know it's cool immediately when they see it. Right, of course, yeah. I love the recurring Kirby of it all. Can we keep this going the entire time? Honestly, yeah. It's kind of like a full show runner at this point. So yeah, we love more Kirby content. Kirby also would fit in great on the podcast. He eats everything. He eats everything. What does his voice sound like? I'm sorry, this is a tangent. What is this? Does he talk? This is a great question. Yeah, he doesn't have like spoken dialogue. It's kind of Yoshi-like, right? What if he was like, yo, it's Kirby? I'm fucking hungry. Like from the streets, yeah. They should have done that alongside the Chris Pratt Mario. So people wouldn't care about the Chris Pratt Mario. They'd just be so

charged by the Kirby choice. They'd be like, oh, right. Yeah, that's fine. Kirby fucking famished over here. What, I was talking about the dungeon. I was texting the dungeon and Poov, Wags. Yes, one of your friends Poov. And the other one is who is from the dungeons, Eddie Kinkel. Yes, yes, the King's Strat. Well, no, that wasn't his name, but we were texting and Poov was like, let's be honest. D.P. Doe like isn't good. Like we liked it back then, but it was trash. And I was like, actually, I went back to Ithaca when I was 30 and I got D.P. Doe and it was actually really good. So it does make me question like, of course, and look, I mean, I'm an idiot and I

like garbage like you do, Nick, but it did make me wonder like how much stuff that you liked then would you like? And I mean, stuff we loved is like Taco Bell and Chili's. And also, like we got the Kong triple whopper. I'm like, all that stuff I still think is good. You know what I mean? Like there's, I haven't gotten to a point where I'm like, I'm an adult now and I think that that stuff isn't good anymore. But I really still enjoyed, I still really enjoyed the D.P. Doe, but my question would probably be for like maybe late night slices and cafeteria food, but I never like loved cafeteria food. Who loves the cafeteria food? No one. Now, objection. Wow. That elementary school cafeteria pizza. It's slapped there. It's slapped. The one that comes, I'm talking about

the one that comes in a little box. We had one that came in like a rectangular box. Oh, ours was like on a big tray, almost like a cookie sheet and they would give you a rectangular slices. Wow. And the pepperonis are like small little diced little things on top. But you know, cafeteria pizza, grade school cafeteria pizza is actually that girl. Yes. Yeah. I've had some good, I had some, I have some fond memories of cafeteria food. I mean, like I've mentioned before, but the runaway hit at my elementary school, Riley Elementary in Lakewood, California, was a chicken fried steak. Everyone liked the chicken fried steak. That's right. Yeah. Which to me seems sophisticated for an elementary school. How many days a week are you eating at the

elementary school now as an adult? Okay. Hopefully none. All right. That's weird. Wags? Yes. That's weird. Zero days. Let's go back to San Antonio because I want to talk a little bit. You said stay away from the chopped beef, but are there any eats you should go for in South Texas? I mean, so I live in Southern California now, which is the land of corn tortillas, but South Texas is a flour tortilla situation. Anywhere you can get flour tortillas in San Antonio, get them. The great American Texas grocery store chain, HEB, they make flour tortillas themselves in stores. You can see them do it. And even those are better than most. So all the flour tortillas, yeah. You know, we're going to ask you to weigh in on which side,

which one do you like more? We got to hear. Flour, corn gets in the way. I'm eating the corn tortilla taco. I just taste corn. I'm eating the flour tortilla. The flour says, how can I support? That is also a, that is a great breakdown is that you are 100% right. Is that a lot of the time, and look, I've had great corn tortillas wags with tacos, but I think with a lot of places you're tasting, you get a lot of that corn taste. That's a, that's a great point that is not said enough. The flour is just kind of like, you get the flavors of the meat, the corn, you got a big corn taste. Corn tortillas are a showpony. Flour tortillas are a workhorse. Wow. I love it. I love that.

I'm a corn tortilla fan, but I will concede that they have, hey, I'm a lifelong Southern Californian. I'm from SoCal. And I think the, like, I think corn, I will concede that corn tortillas have a lower floor. Like I feel like, like a bad corn tortilla, like out of a, a plastic bag can just be like, you know, like stale and inert, but you get like a good fresh corn tortilla. I could do some work, especially the context of like a, you know, like, you go to like a good taco rio where they make their own, their own corn tortillas. I mean, that's what it's all about. Yeah. But whatever. And just to add, besides flour tortillas, whenever I'm home, I just got to get all the brisket. Nobody can do brisket like Texas. I will not argue with

other people about their regional barbecue. I'm not going to argue with North Carolinians. I'm not going to argue with Kansas City people. I'm not going to argue with you, but I will say I'm only going to eat brisket in Texas. Wow. That's, wow. This is like the, this, it's, it's kind of like the burrito discussion of NorCal versus SoCal for burritos. And then it goes even further to San Diego versus LA, which I think LA, I think LA kind of just nods our hat to San Diego, right? I feel like. They have great burritos down there. The mark of the best breakfast burrito city is just which city is the most stoned per average.

And it's San Diego. It's San Diego. Yeah, San Diego wins that. My brother does live there after all. They're like, what else can we add to this thing? Let's do it. Yeah. Wow, Nate. Nate Weigher is down there, Weig. Yeah, Nate. Yeah. My brother, my alpha brother, Nate, has been living in San Diego for many years. Once he used CSD and just stayed there. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking cool as hell. Why would you leave? I haven't gone down there and she just lives a dream. Aunt Donna has a little motorized scooter and a little bike. And she's like in her 70s now. And sometimes

she's just like, all I did today was bike to the beach. And I'm like, yes, ma'am, you deserve a rules. And then like, yeah. And those like, they're stress free and they live to like 120. And it's like, it's so clear when you see people down there who are like, I'm having like a great time. And they're like, how old are you? And they're like, I'm like 102. And you're like, what the fuck? Yes. And they still skate. And they still skate. Yeah, you're skating. Yeah, you are. It's clearly, it's, there's clearly something that they're doing right down there. I took Wigs to Lockhart, Texas. Oh my, can you stop? That was where my childhood church was, is. Wow. Yes. Did y'all go to Blacks or Chisholm Trail?

We went to multiple, we went to Blacks, but we went to, I don't know if we went to, what was the other one? We hit up three Chisholm Trail. It might not be there anymore, but Blacks. I was very afraid to say Chisholm Trail because I was afraid I was going to say it incorrectly. I was afraid I was going to say Gism Trail. You just said it. But, but, but Wiger and I, Wigs, I insisted we go on. It was when we, was this, it wasn't our, was it our first tour? This was a long time ago. I think this was 2017. Wow. We were touring Texas for the first time. This was maybe our, maybe our second ever stint of live shows. And we're there with our buddy John Gabriel. We went to three cities in Texas. I think that still remains the only time I've

been to Texas. We went to, we went to Austin, Houston, and Dallas in three nights. And you didn't go to San Antonio. We didn't go to San Antonio now. Anybody who goes to Austin and doesn't swing through San Antonio, you're doing it wrong. At this point, Austin is LA. Interesting. San Antonio remains Texan. You go to South Congress in Austin, you're like, Oh, I'm on the West side of Los Angeles. Look, I'm looking, I'm now, I've now Googled, so we went to cruise market. We did go to cruise market. Okay. And we went, and we did go to blacks. And we went, you know what, I think we went to smitties was the third place we went. Yeah. Smitties to get some words. So my, so my thing,

we would do blacks a lot. And then we would do this place called Davelas in Sagan, Texas. And then we would get sausage from the Luling, like meat market, which is not too far from Lockhart. But the funny thing about blacks is that the blacks family like feuded in split. So there's two blacks barbecues. And one of them calls themselves the original blacks. And I always forget which one is which. But one of the blacks barbecues has the most amazing humongous beef rib known to man. I think one beef rib was like three pounds. So good. Oh, wow. Wow. It's like Flintstone. Sounds great. Go back. Go back. I mean, we, we, we, we, and you know what, I saw Waiting for Guffman after Lockhart. And I immediately was like, Hey, that's Lockhart.

Like the, I don't know how much of it was, but remember, uh, why is it? I think I told you about this, but Waiting for Guffman is like filmed around Lockhart. They're there. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. They must have had great lunch breaks and stuff. I mean, like, uh, yeah, I, because I saw the movie after I went to the town and I, and Lockhart is so burnt in my mind for how much I loved the food when I was there. Yeah. I was just like, it's Lockhart like immediately. Yeah. I know. I was there literally twice a week for most of my childhood. And when I was young, the big buzz around Lockhart was that they, every now and then they would film movies at the Lockhart High School because it just looked old and historic. And some horror movie that Usher was

in was filmed at Lockhart High School. And I remember all the girls were like, we're gonna go see Usher today. And it's like, sure you are. Go ahead. I can, I can tell you because I, I, I've just Googled again, why I'm Googling, I'm getting some good results. The movie is the faculty and it's a good movie. Yes. Wow. Never seen it. Is Usher in it? I want to confirm that. I'm not sure if I got that right, but I remember Usher being in the mix. It is, I think it's Usher. Hold on. I'm, look, I'm almost sure it's Usher. Or as the Texans say, Usher. It is Usher. Wow. Okay. Vamkey Janssen Wags, who I told you the other day. I think it's Fomka. Fomka Janssen, who I told you

I have a, that was a childhood crush, deep rising. Jordana Brewster. You got Elijah Wood, Josh Hartnett. That's a big one. That's a big one. My high school, Long Beach Polytech, had it, would have movies. Similarly, like it had like this old school, like, you know, built in the 20s, high, classic high school feel. And so yeah, movies would be filmed there. I was actually in the insider as an extra, the Michael Mann movie. And then they, yeah. And then they also filmed The Craft, which was like a wit, like, like witches in high school movies. Don't say it like that. That's the classic and we all know. Do you want to go to The Craft? Yeah. Do I live and breathe? Yeah. The, The Craft? Question mark. Question mark. Question mark. Assume. Assume. Assume on that one.

The Craft and then the, the film, The Other Sister, which is a, was it called The Other Sister? Was that one kind of dark? It was kind of dark. Yeah. You know what should have been filmed there? Is A Elephant by Gus Van Sam. They could have used you as the starring role. All right. Now, now, boys. Thank you, Sam. We're going to get things under control. We're going to take, we're going to take a break. We'll be back with more dough, boys. Charred to a crisp. Man. This show is brought to you by BetterHelp. You know, Mitch, I learned something new about myself recently. I learned I can stick to a bedtime routine. Wow. I can go to the bed, bed at the

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which quickly backfired. Subsequently, they were acquired by JAB Holdings, and taken private in 2016. JAB Holdings, Mitch, we've discussed before, also owns Panera, Insomnia Cookies, and Courig Doctor Pepper, which I didn't realize were the same company, but they've murdered me. Courig Doctor Pepper. Wow. Under one umbrella. Give me those Dr. Pepper packets for Courig. Let me get him in the house. Hot Dr. Pepper in the morning. Yeah. Dr. Pepper in the morning. Give me that hot Dr. P in the morning. Brooklyn's hottest newest band is Hot Dr. Pepper in the morning. Are they going to change the name of that holding group or whatever? That's like such a, that's just such a bummer of a name to hear, but why is I also say this? Well, that's like who owns

the world, right? It's all like these companies that sound very generic and own like, you know, these vast swaths of companies that are all like, you know, sometimes across completely different fields. I think they also own like Bali. Krispy Kreme is just kind of a gross term. I had never even thought about it. Oh, it is. It is the chorus, the angels sing when you enter into heaven. To me, it reminds me of like a teenager being like, sorry about the Krispy Kreme. Jesus Christ. I'm being honest. What do you want from me? My son has no socks left. There's Krispy Kreme in all the socks. That's what I'm saying. I never thought about it till today. Krispy Kreme is kind of gross.

It's a little gross, but, but look, I'm not, I'm not saying anything about, I'm not saying anything about the taste of it. I, so the taste of it, the taste of it. Well, we'll discuss it because, because here's the, here's another thing and same. I'm not sure if this is of what your experience with Krispy Kreme is, but I didn't grow up with Krispy Kreme. I'm, I'm in Duncan, Duncan country. I grew up in my, my, my hometown is, I knew I felt bad about you. I knew I felt something was off. There's other things that there's other awful things about me, but the, the, my home, my hometown, Quincy, Massachusetts, first Duncan donuts. So Krispy Kreme was not a thing. Even Emma will know this honeydew donuts before Krispy Kreme.

Krispy Kreme, I don't know how many there are in Massachusetts now. I didn't have any Krispy Kreme growing up. I had zero growing up. And then when I, when I moved out west, I heard heard about like Krispy Kreme and the light, when the light's on, that's when you get the hot, fresh donuts and people were nuts about them. I'm going to say this, a thing that I thought about, I think the idea of like a hot, fresh donut, which, if you get one from Krispy Kreme, they are delicious. There's no denying it. That part. But the, but there is one thing with Krispy Kreme and it kind of plays into today too.

They are sugary. They are a sugary, donuts are sugary in general. Uh, Newsflash, it's a motherfucking donut. Goddamn. Also coffee is hot unless you ice it. I was going to follow up with that. That coffee is hot, which is- The sunshine, the sky is blue. What else can we go over? But- My donut was sweet. Mwah!

Why is this thrilled? I shouldn't have come at Krispy Kreme. I'm just going to say this, Krispy Kreme donuts seem super sweet. Am I, am I not in the Cartman sense, but like they seem like super sugary. Like, they're a lot. They are, they are a lot. Yeah, they can be intense. I mean, like, like we didn't have, in Southern California, we didn't have them until like the late 90s. And I, in fact, I remember making a special trip out to like the first one that opened in the LA area, which was I think the Burbank location. And, and lining up for like, you know, when the, waiting for when the sign was hot to just try these donuts, because it was a thing we'd heard about, but like it was like a novelty

when it expanded out west. And I think that night was actually comboed with seeing the, the Jennifer Lopez movie, The Cell. Sounds like you had the best night of your fucking life. Sounds like that's what that was. Honestly, it was great. That does sound like a good night. That sounds great. Yeah. But Sam, I'm curious because when I think of, of Texas, I think of Shipley Donuts, but, but Krispy Kreme is also a big thing down there. I hate Shipley Donuts because they would not give me a job.

I brought in a resume. They fucked up. You're a two-time employee of the month of McDonald's. I know. They did not hire me. Yeah. We talked about it a bit off, off pod. Oh, sorry. But Weigher and I, no food service experience. I worked in a theater, which is the closest to basically serving food, but neither of us had, have worked in the field. So we always give credit to anyone who does. It's a hard job, but go on. Continue with what you were saying. Sorry. Oh, Krispy Kreme, like my experience with Krispy Kreme came in undergrad,

and I'll tell you my Krispy story if I may. Please. Please. Okay. So I went to undergrad at the University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio, Texas, and for whatever reason, I got obsessed with Krispy Kreme's my sophomore year, and I would drive down 281 to the Krispy Kreme that was there, and I would wait for the light to go on, and then I would order a dozen glazed, and I would eat six in my dad's pickup truck and then drive back to campus and eat six more later. Wow. And I was just obsessed. I would only get the glaze. I only wanted them hot,

and I loved Krispy Kreme so much in my, actually, it was freshman year. My freshman year of college, my intro to cultural studies class, taught by Dr. Julie Miller. Shout out Dr. Miller. You were great. Love you. We had a whole section about how western capitalism is like driven by the worship of brands, and some brands are almost deities in the cultural sense in America, especially, and we're just talking about brands and the power that brands have over the American psyche. And I was like, Dr. Miller, idea. And what if we all had like a brand loyalty day in class? Next class, we all bring in artifacts of the brands that we are most attached to, and she was like, oh my God, that's such a great idea. So I roll up the next class with literally

three dozen Krispy Kreme's donuts, and I got away with it. I was eating donuts in front of the professor, in front of the students. I thought that I had won. That's how much I love Krispy Kreme. It's funny that you're, like, it's funny you're saying, oh, listen, I think that, like, probably on a daily basis, Wags and I were just eating donuts in front of other students and professors. Yeah, yeah, nothing attached to it. Yeah, yeah. Then I remember also while I was still in undergrad, the brand kind of tanked. It was the public offering. It was also everyone, like, going Atkins, I think, was hot in that moment. So it was just like no carbs, and they were closing down Krispy Kreme's. And it was just like hard times for them.

And I was, like, worried about them. But lo and behold, they're still here. And right now, where I'm at in South LA, I'm 1.2 miles from a Krispy Kreme. I have 18 on my kitchen counter right now because I got some in preparation for this taping. And they still taste just as good. They still taste just as good. And that is my Krispy Kreme story. They're good. And you know what? I actually think they even do hold up. I think that they are super sugary. And I don't think that that's a bad thing. Just you got to know that going in. I also think that they are great. The day of, I actually think they have maybe a better shelf life than they hold for days. That's that's, and I think

it's because of that sugar coating, but it preserves it. Yeah, it's like a salt cure, but for donuts. It is. You can see that layer. It's almost like that sort of thing of like, after they're, when they're not hot anymore, they're almost like plastic donuts. Like you can drop one and you're like, oh, it sounds like it's going to shatter or something. Dunkin Donuts, shelf life of Dunkin Donuts, not great, but I will say this shelf life of Dunkin Donuts is they're bad as soon as you take them out the store. God damn it. I'm sorry. It's just easy. You set me up. I'm a Dunkin Donuts. I love Dunkin Donuts. I will say Dunkin Donuts has got worse. Not bad. The hash browns are bad. I like their hot breakfast a lot. I think that

the issue with, if we're talking donuts though, you know, the thing with this issue with Dunkin Donuts Donuts is that they're made at like a central bakery and then they're shipped out to locations. They're not baked in house anymore. Sometimes they taste, they sometimes taste tail. They sometimes think in Wally's tail again. They sometimes taste stale. Don't taste that. I've never tasted Wally's tail ever. They sometimes taste stale. First time for everything. I will never put Wally's tail in my mouth. They sometimes taste stale the day you get them,

like the fresh batch. And that's unacceptable. But I like Dunkin Donuts foods and I think that Dunkin Donuts also in a way that Krispy Kreme maybe is trying to now, maybe Dunkin Donuts saw the long game because, you know, they started, they introduced bagels when I was young, but their breakfast sandwiches and stuff like that all came around pretty early. And the issue with Krispy Kreme more is like, you're thinking just donuts when you go there. And I'm not saying that that's an issue. If you do it really well, and I do think that they do donuts pretty well, but you have to be in the mood for donuts. And like you said, Sam, in this country, people aren't eating cake for breakfast every day anymore. It just doesn't happen.

It's just the thing that doesn't happen as much. And so to me, that's why I feel like I get some of the brand struggles with Krispy Kreme, especially when they expand it or whatever I get, why they have some of that. But there is something about, and it feels very California-y, even though I know that it's not a California brand, but the thing of the hot donut light coming on, why, because it feels like an in and out drive-through sort of thing of like, we got fresh hot donuts coming and get them. It's classic Americana. I do. I love that. It is classic Americana. And like the whole visual aesthetic of like, like the whole visual aesthetic of Krispy Kreme and in and out is like harkening back to what feels like it might be the 50s or 60s, you

know, the visuals is giving you that. And I like it. And the great thing about the hot and fresh Krispy Kreme donut, you can recreate the hot and fresh Krispy. Any Krispy Kreme donut, you microwave it for 10 seconds. It's like it's brand new. Hot, soft, sexy. Oh. I wish I was that. Hot, soft, and sexy. Just believe in yourself. Yeah, there you go. I agree with you on the Americana thing. And then it's that weird thing in the last seven. You're like, I love, you know, Mel's drive-in and everything. And then like the last seven or so years, I'm kind of like, I don't know about Americana anymore. Well, you know, it's age. This is a thing I realized also in undergrad, I could eat a dozen glazed Krispy Kreme

donuts and just live my life. The older you get, the less the body can handle that shit. I'm like, I have literally 18 over here right now. I had one a few hours ago and was like, I need to wait until tomorrow to have another one as much as I love Krispy Kreme. Like the older I get, the harder it is for me just to take extremely rich food. Sam, that's that is that 100%. I ate probably with the equivalent of two to maybe two and a half donuts this morning, just like with everything combined. And I, my blood feels thick and I am having like, I'm having like jitters that I usually have from drinking coffee. Like that's that's what the sugar is doing to me right now. But I'm not going to say like,

I had a lot of bites that I really enjoyed. You were going to say something before I cut you off. I was just going to say that it is, yeah, I mean, I had to exercise restraint. I had to impose a restriction on myself and only get like the three packs because if I got a dozen, I was going to eat all of them. And so I got two three packs. Should we talk about this for a second? Yes. I said, fuck, I'm going to have to order like 28 donuts. And Wags is like, hey, you know, Sam has returned with his 18 donuts. Sam, this is, I, I, look at that. What a spread. I also got the minis. Hold on. Wow. Wow. Sam, we got almost maybe an exact order. We maybe got the same exact thing. Look at those. Yeah. I got, so Sam, this is,

Wagger was like, you can get the three packs because I was like, I'm going to have to get like 28 donuts. And he was like, he's like, you can get the three packs. And I was like, no, I'm not going to get the three pack. Well, like when I was like, Sam, like, I knew I didn't need that many donuts, but I was just like, you know, just in case maybe, and then it's like, I got six glazed and I was like, well, let me try the other varietals too. So I got six of everything else. And I was like, oh, they got minis. Give me four of the minis. And then I leave out of there with literally almost 20 donuts. That's the trap. Yeah. That's with the minis I went over. I had, I got a dozen donuts and then I got these minis that were 16 minis. I'll say this.

Which kind of minis? These, I got, so right now they have, they have thanks in so many, in so many ways. These are thanks, these are Thanksgiving minis, which came, which came like they were a bunch of different pie flavors, Wags. I'm not sure if you have the, the menu up online. Apple caramel. Oh, it's filled with, it's filled with apple. I had one of those. This is the thing I had, I had handyman over. So, and there was like multiples of each one. I just, basically I want to take bites of each one. And then I like put out, I put out, I put out on a plate, like a, like some of each for, for the guys. And then after I tried the pecan pie donut, I was mad. I shared them. They were so good. I like immediately was like, fuck. I wish I didn't,

I like, I like a little brat. I wish I didn't fucking share. They were the, the pecan pie, Dwight's, I know you're a pecan pie fan. Did you try the pecan pie mini donut? Here's the thing. Or mini, yeah. Because the mini donuts only came in that big pack. Or mini cupcake. I was, what are you, this is, you're gonna, you're gonna call a donut a cupcake? Donuts are pie now. I mean, I guess they're, they're adjacent. Donuts are cake. Donuts are kind of pie. Donuts are fried cake, unless they're filled. If they're, in like a regular crispy cream glaze, that's the, that is the cake. I had to take a long time ago that cupcakes are pie. Yes. And so now I'm continuing that onto mini. Cupcakes are pie. It's nonsense. It's utter gibberish.

Sam, I told you there's more stuff not to like about me. But these mini, the mini pecan pie donut slash cupcake was my bite of the night or bite of the day. Well, I forgot what we're going to say. Wags the, the sweet treat of, I don't know, who gives a shit? It was my, it was my favorite bite of the entire, they were, they were really, really good. Sugar bomb once again, but they, they were good. Sam, how did you have a bite of that apple one? That's, I actually saved two of the apple ones. And then I had the other apple one. I was like, not as good as the pecan pie one, but still pretty good. This is a good stuffed donut, but I think I have a larger gripe with all donut fillings. Like I'll always take

a regular glaze as opposed to a film because all donut filling tastes incredibly synthetic. Even the best donut filling sauce. You're like, I just taste chemicals in here. And they're not bad chemicals, but it's like the difference between a really good store-bought cake and a really good bakery cake. You just taste that little store-bought of it all. You know what I'm saying? For sure. It's a little chemically, a little sciency. I, I still, but I have a nostalgia for that. That's the thing. I have nostalgia for like the sciency, uh, raspberry jelly that's inside one of those bad boys. So like, I still like it, but I can completely acknowledge it. That's, that's an issue. Whereas like a regular glazed, if someone told me, well,

you know, they only make them with four ingredients, they'd be like, I believe you. They just taste like, taste as clean as a donut can be. Although also giving you diabetes, right? Yes. 100%. I mean, like I am, that was the other thing with today is I wish that there was more like, Oh, I would, I would love to try the breakfast sandwich from Krispy Kreme, but I also appreciate that they don't do that. Not every restaurant has to serve every single thing. 100%. They know they're lame. So I do, I do appreciate that they're, I do appreciate that they're staying in the donut lane, but um. On, on that point real quick, Mitch, because we reviewed Winshills and that was kind of my, there wasn't really a dominant SoCal, uh, donut chain, but

that was the closest thing to something that was everywhere. Did you all like Winshills? I like Winshills. I did like Winshills, but, but, but in talking in terms of menu sprawl, that place has it worse than anyone because they have like wraps, they have like paninis, they have like pizzas. It's like, what are you doing? You're a donut shop. Dude, donuts and coffee, focus on that. If you want to throw in bagels and breakfast sandwiches, sure, but why are you doing all these lunch options? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to trick you here and be like, you should know this, but you should know this is that so much of I think what for Winshills is now is it's like that working class one-stop

shop. It's like guys pulling in and getting a bagel sandwich or they're having their lunch at 11am and another guy's getting coffee and they're getting like a weird pastrami sandwich from Winshills. Like I, like I think that they, that they had to adapt to survive in some ways. Like they needed to kind of offer what a seven 11 could offer. You know what I mean? Look, if you want to have egg salad or tuna salad for a bagel, that's one thing, but like when you start offering like, like, hey, we're going to do this Greek wrap, I think you're just, you're going too far, but I'm sorry, we don't need to. That said, also if any food dish is called a wrap, it's a little sad.

100%. The idea of a wrap is sad. Make a burrito. Just like wrap. No one's ever happy eating a wrap. No. In fact, I do a thing on this show called the lettuce wrap. We're all trying to wrap and no one, and no one likes that either. It's like a thing of like a- Yeah, although P.F. Chang chicken lettuce wraps, an exception. We do like those. We're fans of those. I, I, why is, I get your point about it too. And I'm just saying like, some of these places feel like they have to adapt. Krispy Kreme doesn't feel that way, which is a good thing. It's refreshing. I don't, I don't want to, but for me, I would probably you,

like I would probably frequent Krispy Kreme more often if it was like, hey, we got breakfast sandwiches and whatever, but I, but I like that they don't do it, if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm with you. I like that it's streamlined. I like that it's just donuts and coffee. I will say that my regular Krispy Kreme, the one that I, that I went to before the pandemic has closed down. So that was the Santa Monica location, RIP. I went to the Baldwin Hills location. Oh, that's where I was today. Yeah. Yeah, that's, and, and I will say I could have taken the new K-Line. I was upset with myself. I had an opportunity to ride the new Chuchu, and I didn't do it. Anyway, so yeah, I know. There's a stop right by there. Anyway,

you were in my hood. I'm like right around there. Where do you live? Just a little south of there? I am in Lambert Park. So like a mile east. So if you are on, if you're on like going towards USC. Yes. Yeah. Sorry for making you, I didn't mean to make you dox yourself to our listenership. We can, we can, we can believe some of that. We should believe that. So weirdos aren't driving by. They can't find me. It's a lot of houses there. Also, you want to come through? Come through. We got donuts. Come eat. Wasn't K-Line Kevin Federline's nickname? Is that correct or no?

It might have been. I think it was K-Fed. Let me tell you a name I never expected to hear in everyday life. Oh, K-Fed. K-Fed. The other first half. Kevin Federline. Yeah. What's he up to now? Sorry, tangent. He's back. No, I don't want to show him he's back. He's guesting next week. We're going to review Del Taco. He's, my guess is that he's probably with Britney stuff. He's probably, he's probably not well liked. It's my guess with K-Fed, right? Could be, but he also feels like he has enough fame to be on cameo or something.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was on there. Okay. I'm going to search that as you go on with your point. Yeah. What I was going to say is that the, the, I really wanted to like the app because the app is sleek and I want to order with the app, but I had so many issues with it. I put my order in and I went to a checkout and it logged me out and I had to re-log back in. So I tried to do that. Wouldn't let me, wouldn't let me log in. Let me bring up the error that I kept getting because this was driving me nuts. I would get the error when I was trying to use this app. Hold on one second here. Oh, he's gone. I thought I had it. God damn it. Jesus, Jesus. Why? I had this up. Why? I screen capped this. I already have Kevin,

I already have Kevin Federline's fucking cameo page up. Is he, is he really on there? He is on cameo. What's his price? Let me guess. $62. This is, that is a great guess and I can't give you the answer yet because I, I can't find the price right now. All it says is $3 to message him. So I'm going to open the cameo app. So I could message him for $3 of the off the dough boys card. I could message him and say, I could message him and say, what have you been up to and try to figure out what's going on? But I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll let me see here. I'm going to, Oh, I have my cameo. Wait a minute. I have my cameo. I created a cameo profile and I've never done anything ever and I'm not going to do it, but I have a half star. I've never done one.

Damn. That was me. Sorry. Damn. Maybe that's just like, but yeah, maybe that's my level of fame is what they put it at. I'm going to find out what he, I'm going to find out what he's charging, but go ahead, Wags. Okay. So here is the, I figured this out. This was an iOS thing. They just reorganized my photo album by like days. And so I couldn't find this photo in sequence. So I had to go to all photos and I found it. Here's the, here's the screen cap of the error message I got. Uh-oh. Sometimes even donuts have technical difficulties. We are working on it. So please keep trying. So that would piss me the hell off. I was enraged. No, I was, no, I was just a little irritated. So I, I did every step you can do. I deleted the app,

I reinstalled it, re logged in, didn't work, uh, made a new account, didn't work, restarted my phone, reinstalled the app, new account, didn't work. While in the Krispy Kreme. While, yeah. Well, well, physically in the Krispy Kreme. No, I was just all doing this all remotely. Uh, I ended up having to go to my, to use my browser. Like, like my app is just bricked. It's, it's completely unusable. So it was a, it was a bummer. I don't know exactly what happened. I don't know. Maybe it's an issue that's specific to me, but unfortunately I wasn't able to use the very sleek app. I did order on the browser. This did make you mad. Yeah. One of the app to be good. The app is crap. But I ended up going, the browser was fine. I went there and

I will say the customer service was great. They had my order ready to go. They were so friendly. I've never had a bad experience at a Krispy Kreme. Yeah. They're not, they're generally nice. Delightful. Great in-store experience. Like Sam guessed $62 for K-Fed, aka K-Line, as I call it. What is your guess? You want to go over or under? I guess you could do it that way. I would probably take the under there, but, but to be, I'll try to be more specific and I'm going to say $37. All right. K-Fed is currently unavailable, but when he was charging for videos, $79.99. Sam wins. Wow. Free Krispy Kreme for life. I used Cameo and a bunch of Doe Boys live shows to make it seem like we had celebrity guests. What would you have them say?

I just had to make fun of Wags. Kareem, we had Kareem talk to you, Wags. Oh, yeah. Abdul-Jabbar, my all-time favorite Laker. Yeah. Oh. I think I like, I like try to have him be like, say like Nick sucks and that you like Mitch, even though he's a Celtics fan. It's like the directions I gave to him and he was too nice to even do that. He was, yeah. His was great though. There were a couple of good ones on the tour. And then some people that we probably like shouldn't have even gave $50 to or whatever. Probably shouldn't have given money to John Taffer given to the political tack he's taken in recent years. So here's what I got. I got the original glaze,

which I think is still the star of the show there. I got a pumpkin spice cake, which is one of their seasonals. I got the strawberry iced with sprinkles, a little too strawberry for me, but I, but you know, I didn't want to try one of the iced ones. I liked that one, but okay. I just, I don't like, I think there are, there's, there's strawberry flavors a little like bubble gummy. It's almost like a little too artificial. I also got a chocolate ice custard filled, a glazed raspberry filled, which I really liked and a maple iced glaze, which maple donut is my favorite donut. I think they do a really good one. And this one was also great for Duncan. It was terrific for,

for dipping a little coffee. I thought that one was way too overpowering. Oh, I love thinking about it right now. I probably shouldn't have paid Kevin Spacey for that cameo either. There's a few people now like in hindsight where I'm like, oh, maybe we shouldn't have paid them. Yeah. Um, especially cause I think Kevin Spacey had already fled the USA or whatever the fuck he did. Oh, oh, oh, he was, he was already, he did. It was nice that he said, let me be Frank though. We appreciated that. Sam, what did you get at Krispy Kreme? I'm looking at my order right now. Oh, I got the receipt, baby. Hold on. I'll also say that, that, that another issue is I asked,

I ordered a glazed cinnamon roll and unfortunately that was not included. Sam is bringing out a CVS length receipt. Yes. Wow. Look at that bad boy. Six original glazed one apple fritter, one glazed raspberry filled, one glazed lemon filled, one maple glaze, one glaze sour cream cake, one chocolate ice cream fill, two minis, one Dutch apple pie, one pumpkin pie, two more minis, one pecan pie, one lemon cream pie. Wow. What a home. It's obscene. My dogs are going to eat so many donuts this week. Unfortunately, well, I'll try to feed them to Wally and Irma. I'm not sure how, I'm not sure how that will work out, but I, so I got, I got this 16 pack of the minis,

16 minis. Again, the thanks in so many ways. So the, the thanks. Is 16 minis the equivalent of eight full or, or four full? Probably about, probably closer to eight full. They seem like almost half a donut. They're coming. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. They're, they're, they're a lot. So this is, this is what comes in the minis box. You got the mini pecan pie donut, which I raved about. I loved it. Mini pumpkin pie donut, just okay. Mini lemon cream pie donut. Didn't love it. Mini Dutch apple pie donut, probably my second favorite.

And then you get also just the glazed donuts. You get many versions of the glazed donuts, which were of course good because that's their bread and butter. I also got myself a dozen donuts because I want to try some stuff. I got a chocolate iced with sprinkles, a chocolate iced glazed, a chocolate iced cream filled, a strawberry iced with sprinkles, a chocolate iced custard filled, a glazed raspberry filled, a glazed lemon filled, a sugar ring, which is like, there's no glaze to it. I liked that one likes maple ice glazed, which is one of your favorites,

two overpowering for me, powdered strawberry filled, one of my favorites. I liked that powdered strawberry filled quite a bit. Glazed chocolate cake, which I liked a lot, just kind of a basic chocolate cake donut, and an apple fritter. I got an apple fritter as well. I thought the apple fritter was good when I tried it yesterday. Today when I had it, like took a couple more bites of it. I didn't love it as much, but I still think that overall pretty good. If you get a hot apple fritter from there, I think you're doing pretty good.

Glazed chocolate cake I liked quite a bit. Wise, I loved the powdered strawberry filled, like I said, one of my favorites, but I think I liked the strawberry iced with sprinkles a little more than you did. The custard filled, and the cream filled, kind of like their Boston cream donut, which I guess maybe more the custard filled. Someone's going to yell at me now. But all the other filleds, wasn't crazy about like the glazed lemon filled, wasn't too crazy about it. I did like the raspberry filled. So like the two jelly donuts, basically I liked.

And then the custard cream filled and the lemon filled, I could have given or taken. I didn't really love them. And that was the one I liked was the glazed raspberry filled. Sugar drink one was good, and also like less sweet than some of the other ones. Right. And the chocolate, I took a bite of every donut, basically over the course of two days. Was I supposed to do that? You absolutely do not need to do that. You do not have to do that. Emma is vigorously shaking her head, no. Okay. I was like, damn, I fucked it up. I would never inflict that on you unless you want to.

Emma's mad at me because she knows I'm going to be like in a hospital at some point soon. But chocolate frosted is one of my favorite donuts. I love a chocolate frosted here, the chocolate iced glazed. And I thought it was still pretty good. Sweeter than the Dunkin Donuts chocolate frosted. There's the one with sprinkles on it, which the sprinkles don't add anything to me. I don't need the sprinkled version. Just give me the straight up chocolate frosted just as it is. But those are problem by winners wise. The two jelly filled ones, the chocolate ice glazed, the chocolate cake, the apple fritter, and the sugar ring was okay too.

Maybe I put it up there. And it's strawberry filled and the raspberry filled. Strawberry iced with sprinkles close, but I'm close to what you're thinking too. Like I didn't love love it, but I didn't dislike it as much as you. All the donuts were good. They're fresh. You could tell that they were fresh. It's day two of me having them. They've held up pretty well, Sam. I didn't get that experience of them being hot and fresh out of the oven. Did any of you get hot out of the oven hot donuts? I did not. But not this time.

Micwave it for like five to 10 seconds, literally. And it's just boop. I'm wondering if I should go try this trick with this mini glazed donut. Yes. Yes. Yes. Do it. Yeah, go for it. Why not? I'll be right back. All right. While he's doing that, Sam, your thoughts on the donuts you had this particular visit? I mean, all of them are fine, but like the holy grail, the pinnacle, the standard is original glazed.

Yes, right. And I've felt that way since my youth. I think in general, the ones that I tried with the filling, as filling donuts go, and these are the minis, they're solid. I'm still just not that big of a donut filling person as we established. All roads lead back to original glazed. I know that's a pretty base level review, but it's truly my heart. It's, I mean, that's the reason to go there. And if you can get them hot all the better, but they are absolutely, they do a delightful glazed. And I certainly, I still remember the first time I had a hot Krispy Kreme glazed donut, like from the hot sign, like ready to go.

And it's a very memorable might. You're just like, oh my God. And every time I have another one. Exactly. It's a revelation. And every time I have one now, it's like it's biting into a memory. So yeah, I'm definitely a fan. I'm curious, like how often do you have donuts in general? Not that much these days. Me neither, yeah. I've got a middle-aged gut nowadays, and I just can't really be fucking like that.

Okay, you got a hot donut now, spoon man. I got a hot one. I did it for about eight seconds. I saw it like a little bit of a, it's very hot because it was a mini. Okay, sorry about those donuts. No, no, no, no, no. I think you were right to go over five seconds, but okay, cool. I gotta say this, it smells fantastic. It smells really, really, really good. It's just like, I think, I think, I think, I think you nailed it.

Like, like when I was saying like, oh, they feel like fake. They feel like kids toys, like where they're just so covered in plastic. When you microwave it, this thing is soft. It doesn't have that same vibe to it. It's a preservative. Yeah. A hot and fresh. Oh, do it, do it. Drum roll, please.

I'm like, can you put a drum roll in post? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, okay. Oh my, I mean, it's fucking. Now come on now. Now come on now. It's really, really good. Come on.

That is, I mean, come on. That's, And you're going to get that freshness for like three or four days of having those donuts with a little small microwaving because that little coating of the sugar glaze literally cures it, preserves it. I'm telling you, man. Is this the only one though that you can do this trick with is just the plain glazed one? Or is there other ones?

I would not try a stuffed donut in the microwave. Yeah, I would not try that. You know what it is? A hot and fresh Krispy Kreme glazed is always as reliably good as perfectly fresh McDonald's french fries. Wow. Like you cannot beat hot and fresh McDonald's fries. You cannot beat them.

Yes. We're with you on that. I'm going to do the same way about a hot Krispy Kreme. A hot Krispy Kreme is going to do you right. This is, this, this, this to me, even though I didn't. Harrison from a McDonald's alum. A great comparison. What high praise.

Even though I didn't grow up with Krispy Kreme, this also to me, it gives that nostalgia factor of like, I feel like I'm at a haunted hayride and I'm eating a fresh hot donut, like just a simple fresh hot glazed donut, like, you know, or at a fair or whatever. Yes. Fuck, I'm going to finish the whole thing. I am so happy that I watched you have this experience. Yeah. This is bringing me life.

Enjoy watching you enjoy this. It's very good. It's that's, it's very good. Yes. It's very good. And I knew, I knew that the glaze were good. And I know that that's like their, their bread and butter and it makes sense. But you got to do that trick.

You got to say I'm, you got to use the, and I'm sure that a lot of people just know this trick. But, you know, to me, the little microwave and that, that, that was, that was huge. That was very enjoyable. Now, how can we combo hot and fresh McDonald's french fries with hot and fresh Krispy Kreme donut? Jesus Christ. I honestly think just like stuff them in the, in the hole. And honestly, I think that'd be pretty good.

That's your solution to everything. We should get to our final thoughts on Krispy Kreme. So, Sam, here's, here's how this will work. We each go around, give a closing argument, if you will, any thoughts you want to give for your summation of, of, of feelings about this particular chain and end that by giving it a score from zero to five forks. You are a guest. We'll begin with you.

Six forks. And I'll tell you. Wow. Oh my God. Wow. Something's going there. Krispy Kreme has never let me down through recession, through war, through pestilence, through plague.

A hot and fresh KK donut is going to do you right. Wow. Yesterday, today, and forevermore, the gold standard of a hot and fresh original glaze it won't let you down and it never has. Wow. That is worth believing in. Krispy Kreme's for life. Krispy Kreme's 20, 24.

Krispy Kreme's should egot. Okay. Like Krispy Kreme. That's it. Wow. Six forks. Yeah, baby. We haven't had a lot of six forkers in the course of the show.

I think there's only been a couple. You just, you just cut a promo like you're in the ring at SummerSlam. That was something. In this corner. This is tricky. Why is it? Maybe I'll go last because this is tricky for me. Okay.

Okay. I'll go now. Because same as you know, if four or above is Golden Plate Club, all five forks is platinum, but I wonder what Y is going to go here. Well, you said as you know, I don't know if he knows that, but as you were just told. As no one should know, but that's what it is. In the lore of this dumb podcast, that's been going on for too long. Yes, there is a Golden Plate Club.

The threshold is four forks. Mitch is a partisan. He has an allegiance to Dunkin' Donuts. So we'll see if that, if he's able to get over that. But I'll say this, I looked up our review for Shipley Donuts, which made the mistake of not hiring our guests back in the day. We gave it four forks. I did enjoy my experience at Shipley, but looking back on it,

I'm looking at the donuts we got. The thing I remember most is the collages. I'm realizing these aren't particularly memorable. And it's not like I'm like, oh yeah, that was that amazing bite we had at Shipley Donuts. Versus Krispy Kreme, I just have so many positive associations with, in particular, with the, with that glaze, with that hot glaze. And like that's just like a signature fast food item. And I think that goes a long way.

And also Krispy Kreme produced my all-time favorite vine, which I'm going to share with everyone here in case you haven't seen this. But this one is an all-timer. Here we go. Back at it again at Krispy Kreme. Back at it again at Krispy Kreme. So for people who are, you know, obviously everyone's just listening to this. If you haven't seen the video, it's a guy, he says back at it again at Krispy Kreme.

And then he does a series of back flips and then kicks the hot and fresh sign off of the wall. And then it edits before it drops. I got your hot and I got your fresh. That's up there. That's up there with the free Chewbacca Dew vine. Remember that one? It's up there. RIP vine.

And I didn't think I'd have nostalgia for vine, but I do now. Anyway, I'm going to, I'm going to say, I think, I want, I think this deserves a better score than Shipley. So I'm going to say four forks and one time. 4.25 forks. Go ahead spoon man. Look, I'm going to say this. Sam, I think you graze anatomy and added me to me.

I think I'm graze anatomy. I think you really pointed out the, I think you really pointed out the plus sides of Krispy Kreme donuts. And I, and look, just having that microwaved, it was fantastic. Come on now. I'm going to say this. We're going through like, we're going, we're going through it with dough boys right now and just walking over to the microwave.

I felt like my armpits are like, like I felt like I have fat armpits. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you ever get to this point in your life? Oh, I know what you mean. Yeah. Like I felt like my armpits were rubbing against each other. The underarm chafe. My armpits are like, yes.

My armpits got little double chins going on. It's too much. And I, I, I kind of am like, when, when we were doing Krispy Kreme, I was like, fuck, and I know that I ordered a dozen and I didn't have to do that. But I, I want to do my due diligence, but I was just like, it's tough to eat this stuff. It's a treat. But the point is, it is a treat.

And it's when it's, when they're hot and fresh, they're really good. I want to also quickly just give a shout out that I got, why is I got myself a bubble juice chop chip with milk, AKA I got one bottled chocolate milk. Wow. Which was pretty good. I actually kind of liked it. And then I also got myself a dole apple juice, 100% apple juice.

The, the, the chocolate milk was TruMu, which I drank yesterday. Some TruMu low fat, low fat milk chocolate. Emma and I were talking, I haven't had like a chocolate milk and like, I don't even know how long, probably like at least a decade or maybe, maybe once in a long time, I've not had a bubble juice chop chip. I enjoy that quite a bit. The donuts were, were hitting, missing some places, but I think in the end, the simplicity of what they're doing and what they're trying to do

and those original glazed, I'll, I can't, I'll give it a four forks. I'm giving four. Wow. Welcome to the golden plate club of Krispy Kreme. It gets into the golden plate. Congratulations. You're here to have it all. I'm kind of shocked by this.

Sam, you made, you made some really good points about it. Listen, listen, I, what I believe in, I believe in. Okay. And I will spread the gospel. I'll spread the gospel. Everyone here in the zone of my voice, go get you an original glaze and microwave that baby just a little bit, a bit. Trust me.

Yeah. You know, you know what? I think, and I actually, I, this, I think this is the thing with Krispy Kreme is they're just trying to make donuts. And I also think that maybe even more so than breakfast, they're just good treats to have at a party or whatever. Like, I like, it's a treat. It's a treat.

It's, it's, I think, I think, I think they almost too sugary for breakfast. They are. They're, but I think that they're really, they're, they're, they're done well. And they're, and they're like, they're Big Mac, AKA that, that original glazed. It's fucking good. What were you supposed to do? It is the, it is the, it is the caviar of fast food pastry. You don't want to have caviar every day.

No. But when you want to have caviar, you want to have caviar. And no one's ever going to tell you, oh, your caviar is too rich. Motherfucker, it's caviar. You just unknowingly went into the voice, the voice that we use for a Doe Boys listener, which is just, I don't eat caviar every day. Wags, you actually, Wags eats caviar pretty much every night, right? Wags, fucking me.

You're, you're the one with stairs. Well, I'm getting rid of my fucking stairs. Now you're going to be the one with the only one left with stairs. I don't have stairs. You live in an apartment building. I'm anti-stairs. Why are people doing stairs? Even if you think you like stairs in your house,

at some point you're going to not want stairs. Why is this an apartment building so he has an elevator and stairs? That's pretty crazy. That's called luxury. Must be nice. 1% must be nice. It is nice. I like it.

Here's what I'll say. Yeah. I also had this, like I said, I had this Dole apple juice. I'm kind of on an apple juice kick. Why? Because I know that I'm not supposed to drink juice either, but I'm kind of enjoying apple juice lately. Be careful with those liquid calories. They are, the apple juice is good, but be careful.

But I'm just saying, I've had like a, like in the last two months, I've had like two apple juices and I've enjoyed them. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. Now do you do simply apple? No, but I should. I would love simply apple. It's not bad.

Yeah. This is the people that make Simply Lemonade, Simply Orange, whatever. They also have apple juice. It's quite, it's decadent as apple juices go. Doesn't it feel like at some point in your childhood, it's like apple juice times are over. It's, now it's time for orange juice.

Like it feels like, it feels like apple juice goes away. It feels like you put childish things away and that includes apple juice. And I'm kind of like, why, why, why, why, why put it away? It's not bad. It's good. It's good. And then there is that moment when you realize that Sunny D is poison.

I can't do it anymore. You're like, this is, wait, it's not actually orange juice. What is it? Yes, it's, this might be a thing like with poof when he said that, that, that, uh, DP dough is bad. Wags and I might drink Sunny D and think it's still good. There's a possibility that we would still enjoy Sunny D. I haven't had it in years, but I remember it was a thing that we didn't have at our house,

but like a friend would have it and I'd go have Sunny D at their house and be like, like, holy shit, what is this miracle tonic? This is, there's cocaine in it. There's cocaine. Wow. Golden plate club. Golden plate club. Congrats to Krispy Kreme.

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Welcome back to dough boys. We're here with Sam Sanders. And hey, it's time for a segment. I've got some hot button food topics and we'll be judge, jury and executioner. It's another edition of food court. Mitch, this is ring of justice edition. In honor of donuts, these are all topics related to ring shaped foods. So I'll give a topic and we can all just sort of weigh in and come to a consensus.

First topic bagels, everything or just some things. Sesame. Yeah. Sesame. Yeah, I love sesame. I just think sesame is my go to bagel. Sesame is a great bagel that I, yeah, as I got older, I enjoyed it more. I was, I always liked an onion bagel growing up wigs.

When I was real little, I think it was like raisin and cinnamon or just plain. I liked playing quite a bit. But, but onion was my favorite for a long time. You know what though? I'm an everything man. I love everything. I love sesame too. I like both.

I think there's, I think there's a world where we can have all of these. So that's why I think everything should be allowed. Well, I only appreciate everything bagels because they let me know that there's also available for purchase everything bagel seasoning, which is perfect in your scrambled eggs. Wow. That seasoning is delightful. But, but as far as an actual bagel goes, I'm with you.

I think I'll go with a, a sesame over and everything and everything. Oftentimes it's unga pachka. It's just got too much going on. Honestly, a poppy seed bagel is nice too. Yeah. Give me one of those. I want it all. Give me everything.

I'm an everything man. Split decision. Split decision to one. I hear that. For just some things. Next topic. Sidebar really quickly. There have been dogs barking throughout, but I don't think it will be bad.

It's okay. I'm just apologizing for that. No, it's okay. I got you. Okay. Usually we, anytime we record the podcast, like animals usually like start to howl. And it's kind of like when Damien walks by and. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, we'll, we'll have meowing for Mitch's cats. We'll have a, we'll have a barking from Emma's dog. It's no, no big deal. People are used to birds, chimpanzees. What is, what is the, what's the movie with Damien Wags? Damien, wait, is that the, uh, the bad seed? No, I forget it.

I can't believe I forgot it. Oh, anyways. Children of the corn. No, not children of the corn. It's some haunted child movie. The omen. Thank you. The omen.

It's the omen. That's how they go to the zoo, I think with Damien. And like all the animals go nuts. That's basically what the Doe Boys podcast does. Anyway, that was long-winded, not worth it. What's the next topic? They're both, here's, here's an, here's an amonica. You're going to remember it.

Why they're both the men movies. They're Damien, they're Damien and Omen. They're both the N movies. Men, men movies. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, okay. Next topic in ring of justice edition of food court. Cereal, fruit loops or honey nut Cheerios. I want to hear y'all first.

I'm going to, of those two, I'm saying honey nut Cheerios. But Yikes, we talked about it the other day. Give me some frosted flakes, baby. That we're talking ring-shaped foods. That's the exercise. You already forgot it. Two topics in. I forgot it.

I'm going honey nut Cheerios. Honey nut Cheerios. Look, I used to be a Fruit Loops fan too. Like honey nut Cheerios and Fruit Loops, two Cheerios that I did eat growing up. Yeah. Just now as an adult, give me the honey nut Cheerios. Give me that B.

I do like those. I can still eat it as like a breakfast. Give me the honey nut Cheerios. Yes. I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah. I think this one is unanimous. And this makes me, because I'm definitely honey nut Cheerios.

Fruit loops are too much for me now. But I'm curious, what if we were like honey nut Cheerios versus plain Cheerios? I think I would go honey nut Cheerios still for me. Yeah. People who feed their children plain Cheerios are the same people who are like, my kids don't watch TV.

Well, you're just mean to your kids. Kids need sugar and bad TV to become fully American. And also like, it's like, my kids don't watch TV. It's like, no shit. They'd see that there's like good food that they're not getting. They'd be so mad. Yes. Anyway, sorry to can't say I'm.

Also, sidebar, which milk? I'm a whole milk purist. Only whole milk for me. Wow. Look, I grew up in a house that was skim milk, because my dad grew up in a time where, like what they thought cholesterol, like that was the worst thing in the world.

And you need to drink skim milk to not have the, you know, the, and so he drank skim milk every day. So that's what I was raised on. Now I would go lactose free milk is what I would go. And I don't really care about the percentage, but I'm lactose free milk man now. That's, that's the way I go. Okay.

Look, I, I like dairy. It can definitely be a little bit of a hit to the gut to have that, that, you know, just have like, like straight up milk, like dairy milk, cow milk, dairy, dairy dude. But I am a dairy dude. I think if I'm going to do it, I'll do whole milk, though generally speaking, I'm usually an oat milk guy at home. Okay.

Yeah. Oat milk worse than lactose free, in my opinion, but. So many good days in my life as a kid was like the most gigantic bowl of froth to flakes with whole milk that was like two degrees above freezing, just like ice gold. Oh hell yeah. And that first hit, that first hit, baby. That sounds great.

One of my best friends from middle school and high school, John Savy, we used to go to his house after school most days. And he like introduced to me that like, you can just have breakfast. You can just have like cereal after school. Like you have that as an after school snack. And we like just go like, we just go like eat cereal. I was like a teenager. I was like, I haven't figured this out on my own.

And you know what? After a rough breakup, you can only eat honey nut Cheerios for a week and be okay. I'm fine. Unless you were splitting up with the honey, honey nut Cheerio B. And then you would have had a bunch of reminders. Because it reminds me of her. All right. Next up, onion rings, small or big?

Wow. This is actually the hardest question you've asked, but I think I got to go big. I'm with Sam. Yeah. It's more fun. Small? To me, to me, big means that I'm getting like the nice real breaded onion rings.

And small means I'm getting like the super battered onion rings. So that's like where my head goes. Now, is that true? It doesn't necessarily have to be true. But I'm going big. Like a big dangly onion ring. Give me a big dangler. My issue is that when I think of the like some of the better fast food onion rings,

they are tight little rings. They are like little, you know, I'm thinking of Burger King's onion rings. I think are pretty consistent. Those are kind of like calamari size. But those, but also that's that's an anomaly. An anomaly. And they're also. But good job getting anomaly on the second try.

Yeah, I thought that would have taken you four. Well done. I'm going to say that yes, but those also aren't like, oh, this is what the, yeah, these are onion rings. This is what I'm craving. This is like, if I don't feel like BK fries, I'll get their onion rings. So if I'm going to proper onion ring, yeah, I want that to have like a larger circumference.

Give me the big boys. Yeah. They truly are an anomaly. Yes. I love when you get the big onion rings. Like at a restaurant where they fried it right there fresh. When like you can like pull the onion out, eat the onion. Oh hell yeah.

Yeah. That's fine. And then save the crispy circle for the dip in the sauce. And that's just like a fried dough bite. Oh, right. So good. Yeah. It's also, if that happens by accident, it's not like a disaster.

Versus it's not like your burrito collapsing. It's like, yeah, it's fine. Yeah. All right. This one's unanimous. All right. Next up. Lifesavers, mint or fruit?

Fruit. Fruit. People who prefer mint lifesavers over regular lifesavers spend way too much time on next door and might call the cops on you. That's Karen energy. That's Karen energy. I'm sorry. We're not.

We're not. Wigs is a bit of a Karen, so it'll be interesting to see what he goes with here. Are you mint? I don't, I don't know. I mean, this is the thing, I've had, I've certainly had more mint lifesavers. But by the way, in his other brother, he does have the next door app open. And he's, he's, he's up to, he's, he heard dog barking. He wrote it on the next door app.

I also saw a guy in a blue shirt and blue shorts bringing boxes to our front door. How dare he? Very suspicious. I think with mint lifesavers, there are better minty mints to have. And if I'm going to go for a minty mint, let me go old school nuclear, give me that Altoid, blow my mouth out. All right.

I for sure rather have, rather have an Altoid, but I think I must reluctantly, despite of it, maybe it paints me as a Karen. That's fine. I think I have to go with mint here just based off of my life experiences with lifesavers. Okay. Maybe you're a Karen for good. Perhaps you're a Karen for good. You know what, we got to think about that sometimes.

Sometimes there are Karens for good. There are Karens for good. There are a lot of evil Karens, but there's Karens on the good side. Yes. Like if you're calling the cop on another Karen, I support. You get an NAACP gold medal. Excuse me. Are you the manager?

Are you the manager here? Yeah. I just wanted to say your cashier gave me excellent customer service. Yes. Yes. Karen for good. There you go. There we go.

That's a good Karen. All right. Final topic. I couldn't think of a good one for this. So it's just Bundt cake. Yes or no. Only if you say it the my big fat Greek wedding way. Bundt.

Remember that scene in my big fat Greek wedding? Or they're like, what kind of cake? Bundt. Bundt. What? Bundt. Bundt. Bundt.

Add it in post. Add it in post. Add it in post. Remember that? Oh yeah. Yeah. They really lean on the T there. I haven't seen it in a while, but I do recall this.

You know what? I agree with you. I'm saying Bundt. I need that Bundt. I can't do it. I don't. I can't even remember. You can do it.

You can do it. Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. Bundt.

Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. We all sound like, we sound like Nixon. We sound German. We sound German. Bundt. Bundt.

Bundt. Und Bundt cake. Like there was one, but there was one baseball game that was played in World War II between the Americans and the Germans. And this is a scene where the villainous German managers, Bundt. Bundt. Bundt. And they put the winner of the war on the line, like whoever won the game on the war.

Yeah. Well, here's some other good Karens. Karen Allen. Karen Carpenter. There's a few more. Great Karen, quality Karen. There's some good Karens on the side of the game. I say yes to Bundt.

Yeah. Yeah, I think we're all in favor of Bundt. Yeah, why not? Hey, that was Food Court. We can adjust this edition. Just like a restaurant value or feedback. Let's open up the feedback. Today we have an email from Brie.

Brie writes, when I was a kid, my little softball team played in the state championship in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, the home of the Groundhog. The first day of the tournament, our team ate at Arby's and won all three games. We were really superstitious. You did well in sports after eating Arby's. It's wild to me. This is like, I've mentioned before in the podcast, my wife would, she did gymnastics in high school and she would go to Wienerschnitzel before like gymnastics practice.

And she would get a triple chili combo. And it's just like kids' bodies are just ridiculous. You could take a chili dog, a chili cheeseburger and chili cheese fries. That was like giving her fuel. That was like to the dome. That was like good for her. Yeah, exactly. And then go do a bunch of back hand springs.

Anyway, the first day of the tournament, our team ate at Arby's and won all three games. We were really superstitious. So in the spring of Groundhog Day, we lived the exact same day for an entire week. That means I had to eat the same sandwich at Arby's every day for lunch. It was awesome at first, but soon got old. We won the state championship. Wow, congrats. Wow.

And I never ate at Arby's again. My question is, what would your ideal Groundhog Day meal be? Yeah, this is an elaborate scenario, which just happened here. Congrats, Bree. So we're talking about a meal, I guess, that you would have to eat every day. It's a good question. I am, well, as you know this, I am a guy who can eat the same thing a lot. I like, that's what I found out about my dad is my dad would go and walk and get himself

a turkey sandwich every day. And he just had, he ate a turkey sandwich all the time. And then sometimes he'd get like a burrito, like a chicken burrito with no cheese, like a plain, the plainest burrito. But he, but he was like, he just would get a turkey sandwich. Like he would, he didn't mind eating the same thing every day. I think that was passed down to me a bit. Cause I, I, well, cause I eat tender greens almost for lunch a lot, like almost every day.

But I, but I, for me, if it's groundhog day, which again, let's remember here, we're not going to wake up the next day of chubbier. You know what I mean? It's like, if this is groundhog day, we're just reliving the same day over and over again. I got to go to Regina Y's in the North end. You know it, you know, that's my favorite spot. That's where I'm going. What's your order?

Regina, I'm going to get, I'm going to get myself probably a large cheese pizza and then a large pepperoni with onion. Well done. And a big Coca-Cola and hopefully go with some friends. I hope I'm not alone on, on groundhog's day because it would be fun to, and you know what though? That's interesting. Cause then you got to go with friends every day.

And then you got to have like the same conversation. So that'll drive you mad in its own way. They were the same outfit. Yeah, exactly. The same outfit. Fuck. Yeah. So maybe it's just better to be alone.

Jesus. Well, don't try to overthink the psychological horror of it. It's Regina. I mean, it's some, it's some, it's some sort of, it's some sort of pizza. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's the answer for me. Okay. Cause I could eat, I could eat pizza every night. Same.

If it didn't kill you, if it like wouldn't kill me, I would, I would want it every day. My favorite pizza habit, order a pizza big enough where you eat half that night and then have the rest of it for breakfast the next morning. Yes. Man, baby. Yeah. I did that. I did that on Sunday.

I fucked up. What's for you? We discussed this on the show. You deserve it. Pizza and cold pizza and hot coffee is one of my favorite breakfasts. Jesus. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh yes. Absolute delight. I hate mine up, but I did, I did a, I got a large thin crust pizza from Domino's and I, and I ate half it that night and then half the next day. I will get triple bean pizza, which is like an LA staple. Oh yeah. Really, really good.

Oh, triple bean. Oh yeah. Nancy Silverton. Oh, it's her. I didn't know that. I think it is. Yeah. I love her.

Love her. And then I reheat it in the oven the next morning and it's like it just got to you. So, so is this, would this be your ground hot? Would you do triple bean or do you have, or would you? I would do chicken pad thai and I would do chicken pad thai. Wow. Delivery from the Thai restaurant, everyone gets delivery more than goes in and they're like a 4.4 on like the Uber Eats or Caviar app, but they're actually better and they're consistent.

And that's the place you order chicken pad thai from online. And there's a soothing nature of hitting the little pad thai icon and no one is going to be pretty solid for meal delivery. And I would have, I would eat that for a week. A good delivery chicken pad thai from a 4.4 star Caviar recommended Thai restaurant. Damn, that's how it's fucking, now I want pad thai. You know, you just made me, I'm now questioning also, I'm like, there's cactus takaria wags, which you know I love.

And I'm like, man, if I could have a carne asada burrito every night and it wouldn't like kill me also. That sounds good. That's, that's maybe my, that's my West Coast one, you know, the East Coast is Regina, West Coast is a burrito. I look, I love Mexican food is my favorite food, favorite type of food. Fried chicken is my favorite like dish. I love wings too.

But I was thinking about having, choosing all of these and it's like, yes, maybe you're not putting on the pounds if you're reliving the same 24 hours, but you do feel the intestinal after effects. And I think over time, having something that heavy would just be kind of like its own sort of punishment. So I wonder if I would do- But you wake up once the next morning, that turd is gone. You're just going to make it to bed.

There you go. That's wisdom right there. That's wisdom. So you're not, you're not shitting when you're on ground? Like the groundhog comes in, the groundhog comes in, eats that turd, right, Adia? And the next morning you wake up- Jesus Christ!

Such a fucking gnarly image. But you put that in my brain. We're almost to the finish line. Yeah. Well, guess what? The groundhog eats your turds. Jesus. At midnight, the groundhog comes in.

So I guess just the quicker you go to bed maybe, like, you know what I mean? I don't know. Do you wake up knowing it's groundhog day or not knowing it's a groundhog day? Yeah, I don't know. I interpreted the question as like, it's maybe this is just a thing you could eat over and over again, but I guess if you are actually trapped in groundhog day, then I guess you probably at a certain point realize that, oh, I'm in a time loop. No, you know.

There's no escape. I think, I think you know. And also, you turn on the TV and they're like, the groundhog, like they show the groundhog and he's got like brown fur all around his mouth. And you're like, I know what he was up to last night. This image in my head. This is disgusting. I love it.

The groundhog ate your turd. He's got a brown, he's got brown fur all around his mouth because he ate your turd. It's more like groundhog. Am I right? My answer is grilled cheese sandwich. If you have a question or comment about the word for chain restaurants, you can go to the Doughboyz podcast at gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at 830 go to that's 830-46-36-844.

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Sam Sanders. What does the groundhog most wants you to eat? No one that he's going to have to eat the shit. Groundhog is like nothing, please nothing. The groundhog is like begging you. Go on a liquid diet. I beg of you. Sam, an absolute delight to have you on the show.

Thank you so much for giving us so much of your time. Yes. Like I said, I'm a fan. It's really great to talk with you and check out your podcast on culture. What an awesome, what a great first guest. What an awesome time or why. Yeah, terrific performance. This was delightful.

Thank you all for having me. This made my day and my week. You got a blast. What a treat. The podcast is into it. Tell us about into it and anything else you want to talk about. Yeah. So I have been hosting a show for Vulture in New York Magazine since the summer.

It's called into it. It is a weekly pop culture podcast that helps us obsess better about the pop culture we're obsessed with. I talk with Vulture's best and brightest and other celebrities and journalists all about popular culture in every sense of the word. Memes, internet, music, TV, movies, even some books. We've had the likes of Damon Lindelof on the show. We have discussed the political symbolism of Yellowstone.

We did an opus on like the greater meaning of Taylor Swift. There was a lot to unpack. We just do the heavy work about the fun stuff in a fun way. Check that out. And then I want to plug my second just for fun podcast. I have a little what we call our group chat come to life podcast. Me and two journalists, friends of mine. Poet and journalist Cy Jones and poet and producer Zach Stafford.

We literally during pandemic turned our group chat into a podcast. It's called Vibe Check. And you can hear that every Wednesday into it's every Thursday. Vibe Check is every Wednesday. And yeah, check out one, both eat some crispy creams while you listen. There you go. Hell yeah. And just for the listeners, it's into it or into it?

They just to let them know. Yeah, it's into it. Two words. I in T O space. I T perfect. Into it and then Vibe Check. Um, it's just such a smarter sounding podcast than what we do. I mean, anything.

Listen, truly, you guys are doing good stuff. Put the transcript of this in the library of Congress right next to the Lizzo flute. Okay. This is praxis, baby. This is for real. This is legit. This was a true delight. Truly.

Hell yeah. Well, to anyone reading this transcript a thousand years from now, in the bombed out remains of the Library of Congress. Until next time for the Spoonman, Mike Mitchell, I'm Nick Weigar. Happy eating. Weig's, I gotta go make a groundhog some dinner. See ya. Hate you.

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