Doughboys - Little Caesars 4 with Josh Gondelman

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Josh Gondelman (@joshgondelman, Positive Reinforcement) joins the 'boys to talk sports fandom, Boston eats, and New England comedy before a review of the Little Caesars Fantastic 4 Pizza. Plus, a new Snack or Wack.Watch this episode at youtube.com/doughboysmediaGet ad-free episodes at patreon.com/doughboysGet Doughboys merch at kinshipgoods.com/doughboysAdvertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fmSources for this week's intro:https://movieweb.com/fantastic-four-director-josh-trank-landed-in-movie-jail/https://weminoredinfilm.com/2015/05/02/fired-the-strange-story-of-josh-trank-simon-kinberg-the-fantastic-four-star-wars/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/inside-a-star-wars-firing-792933/https://collider.com/fantastic-four-2015-josh-trank/https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/5/21246679/josh-trank-capone-interview-fantastic-four-chroniclehttps://www.ilitchnewshub.com/post/little-caesars-r-teams-up-with-marvel-studios-the-fantastic-four-first-stepsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This week on Doughboys, we return, for the second time this year, to Little Caesars, for the fantastic 4-in-1 pizza. Flame on! Go is the Doughnut Wars! Doughnut Wars! Welcome to Doughboyz, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Tiger Weiger, along with my co-host, Jurassic Spork, the spoon man, Mike Mitchell. Huh? Oh. Jurassic Park, Jurassic Spork, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Huh? Oh. Jurassic Park, Jurassic Spork. Now, to me, I think it's maybe overthought a little bit,

because I think Jurassic Pork is just a little bit cleaner. Lose the ass. But thanks for the submission. Hope you like this roast. Jurassic Spork, kind of like Jurassic Park. As I watched the newest one, Jurassic World Rebirth, I couldn't help but think how much better it would be if Mike Mitchell was in it.

How about that? Hey, that's nice. That is good. He could have run around trying not to diarrhea everywhere. So funny. I think. It was nice. I mean, he kind of belittles your gifts as an actor.

I think he'd maybe bring a little bit more to. I can do that pretty good, too. I mean, that would be very funny. To be fair, you don't have to act like you're pretending trying not to diarrhea. That's just reality. I mean, I'm sure very funny. To be fair, you don't have to act like you're pretending to try not to diarrhea. That's just reality. I mean, I'm sure that the set would be like, we don't like you diarrhea in the falls or whatever I would be doing.

I think it would be bad. What do you say? I would like that. You freak. In the credits, you're a man with diarrhea number two. Number two. He's number one. It's like Giamatti.

He was incredible. He was breathtaking. He died. He died. He died while filming. Love you all. Thanks for your years of free entertainment. Eddie Spaghetti, roastedbirdfuck.com. Eddie Spaghetti.

Amelia's trying to kiss up to me because she deleted a bunch of notes today on the- We found them. We found them. Everything is back on track. Everything's okay. It's all been reclaimed. It's fine. I looked at the Doughboyz notes section on my Apple phone,

and there were zero notes. And then I texted her, and I was like, hey, where did the Apple notes go? And then I went, and I showered. I'm planning a trip to Maui. That's fun. Speaking of Jurassic Park, with my mom and sister were going to Maui.

And trying to find a big long surfboard for the three of us to surf on. Like the banana boat photo from the NBA. You're all going to play on the Miami Heat. We're a good trio. I mean, we wouldn't do too well, but we are all tallish. It's true. Yeah.

My mom doesn't like when I say that. I feel like she doesn't like the compliment that she's tall, but she's a... Emma, you're a tall drink of water. I feel like that's like a, there is, unfortunately for women, like something of a stigma of being tall sometimes. Yeah, I think it's not as cool as men being tall. Also, like, I feel like I've said this to your mom,

but like clothing shopping just sucks. So being tall just becomes something that you're like, oh, this sucks and is a nuisance and not like a fun gift. But I don't have to ask for help to reach the top shelf at home. So yeah, yeah She doesn't like to get called like Kareen Abdul Jabbar because she's tall You know, like that's uh, you roasting your mom. I'm just saying That's pretty good roast

But uh, she's my mom's my mom is tall but I don't like I like I don't feel like she's all she's almost my height Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Almost your height. Yeah, yeah. And so is Emma, yeah. I feel like she was probably even taller when she was younger too, because as you get older, you get shorter. Yes, she's getting, she's turning tiny.

I love your mom. I wish we could, I didn't get to spend much time. We were in Boston with a, which hey, certainly pertains to our guests. We were in Boston and your mom and your sister Courtney, we didn't, we got to talk a little bit, but we didn't get to really hang out. That's right, you didn't get to hang with them more than, uh,

she got the Doughboyz comic book today and was pissed off she got a Weiger toy. She was like, I got the Weiger toy. I was like, I'll get it for you. But the notes are fine. The notes have been found. But I told you, I was like, the notes are all gone. And then I went to the bathroom.

And then you unraveled by the time I got back. I went to the shower. I thought the lack of response meant that you were mad, and then I was just frantically texting Mitch like, I'll relabel all the notes, it's okay, we'll get them back to normal. That's, well, I did not, I did not care, but then I was fond to come in here

and yell at you about it, it was fun. Why, because you were gonna ask if I liked the New Jurassic World. Yes, yeah, rebirth. I didn't love it. I know, yeah, rebirth. I didn't love it. I know, yeah, I know you didn't, I think you didn't really. I really didn't like it, no.

I think you would say it was akin to something that comes out of this little hole here. For our audio listeners, bitches rubbing Jemmy, so I guess you're saying a dog's butt hole is this little hole? Yeah, or dog piss, I guess, I don't know if you a dog's butthole? Yeah, yeah. Or dog piss, I guess. I don't know if you're talking about her little tube. Sure, yeah.

Dog cum. Or dog, her dog, yeah, or cum. Yeah, let's just park that URL. I feel like if you said it was dog cum, I would be like, I wouldn't know what to think really if you said it was dog cum. If you said that movie's dog cum, I guess I would know you think it's bad, but I was like, is that worse than dog shit or is it worse than, I don't think so. Is it worse?

I feel like I just would rather, I'm just, is that worse than dog shit? Or is it worse than, I don't think so. Is it worse? I feel like I just would rather, I'm just so used to encountering dog shit. Well, we're gonna have to decide this on a double. What's worse? We'll figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out. You were like, yeah, you were a little bit more of an apologetic, an apologist for a rebirth.

I don't think that I thought rebirth was good. Yeah. I just like am so, it's the Star Wars, the Rise of Skywalker. Right. You're numb to the Jurassic worlds. You're kind of just in the same way you're numb to the Disney Star Wars. So I was like, oh, whatever.

And I was like, oh, they're going to the park. I mean, like all the dino, like the dino mixing of DNA stuff. I'm like, I don't care about this at all pretty much. My favorite Jurassic world is Jurassic World 2, because I thought it was like interesting. They did a haunted house thing. I was like, this is interesting and different. And I think that guy, J.A. Boyana,

is that how you say his name? I think he's a decent director. But Jurassic World Rebirth, it's not, no one, everyone I've talked to has not liked it, including, I don't think you liked it either. I didn't love it. I'll say this. Yeah. I thought that all the set pieces,

like I thought the, when they were like the, the Moses sword or whatever, when they're in the boat with the fish, all the dinosaurs, the Jurassic fish. Right, yes, yeah. And then when they are, the T-Rex raft ride and then the bird stuff, I was like, all those action sequences were done okay.

And so I actually thought that they were better than, it made them better than a lot of the Jurassic World stuff because I thought that those set pieces were okay. But like, I didn't think the movie was good. I just didn't really feel the stakes in any of those because like it felt like kind of abstract. But anyway, I do like that it's structured around, it's like Shadow of the Colossus,

it's like three boss fights. It's like land, air, and sea. That was smart. That's interesting. Didn't David, he's like, David Kep. Kep. David Kep wrote it.

Third movie he's written this year, Two Soderberghs in a New Jurassic Park. How about that? Did he, he wrote the Two Soderberghs? Yeah, he wrote Black Bag and Presence. Those are both fucking good. I saw Black Bag really liked it. I love Black Bag.

Very fun. So fun. David Kep is a good writer. I mean, he wrote the it. Love Black Bag. Very fun. So fun. David Kemp is a good writer. I mean, he wrote the first Missions Impossible. He wrote the first Jurassic Park. Yeah, first Jurassic Park. I mean, he's good.

Yeah. The movie is, have you seen it? I haven't. Before we, first one. Wait, hold on, hold on. While we're in this world, while we're criticizing. Jurassic World?

Yeah, while we're in the Jurassic World. No, while we're talking about media, I just wanted to real quick shout something else out. Another Ari, Rejection, a novel that was recommended to me by Amelia Marino, our social producer. Amelia, this book is, you said it was very Weiger, and I read it and it is that in the sense that it's like really, I guess disgusting.

It's a truly disgusting book. Tony, Tulenita. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you read it? I haven't yet. I've heard it. I loved it. It's so good. It's one of my favorite books ever.

And then, yeah. It's so perfectly contemporary, like really captures like what a two online brain is like. It's very longer. Yeah. It's a long read too, about eight inches un's very white. It's a long read, too. About eight inches unread. OK. It's actually a pretty short book.

But it's pretty long, even unread. Red means like a boner. I get what you're saying. I think the. I thought you meant uncircumcised. Oh, that's good, too. Sorry. I'm doing a lot of talking for a voice that has been used,

and your audience does not know this voice. The sleeve is off. The sleeve. It is a sleeveless book. The sleeve is off. Sorry. So yeah, if you like this sort of shit, you'd like this book. I have no idea. Hey look, I'm just gonna say this. I really like it. I have no idea what that thing looks like. I've never seen it before. Your hog.

Why do we move to this? We're talking about a book that me and Amelia enjoyed. I have no idea what that thing looks like I've never seen it before your hog We're talking about a book that being Amelia enjoyed Try it can we talk about that for my own trouble for HR, but before the show as you gotta show me I can show it to Marin? Who are you? Why are you doing this? Get out of the garage. Our headgum, our podcast ends in the headgum bathroom where we're showing each other our hogs.

That's the last day of the podcast. You're both doing the Dirk Diggler monologue. We leave the bathroom nodding saying, it's just what we thought it was. Sorry to make you uncomfortable there, Wallys. No, I love it. Uh, I want to say this. I, uh, before, we got to hit him with the drop, right? So you just hit him with the drop for, oh, no,

I'll go into this first, because it's not as fun. OK. I have long COVID. I've talked about this before. And then people are like, how does he know he has long COVID, or whatever? And there is no test to know if you have long COVID. I've talked about this before. And then people are like, how does he know he has long COVID or whatever? And there is no test to know if you have long COVID. I've talked to a doctor for a very long time,

a year and a half. I always assumed I had it, but I was trying to figure out what was wrong. I took a nucleocapsid test recently, and I came back positive from COVID antibodies, which I haven't had COVID for over a year. So that is like a sign that you still have COVID antibodies in your body, which is a sign that you

were, you could have long COVID, I guess. So I got positive for that. My doctor, I'm kind of an open book here. So this is a lot of information, but I'm going to share this information because it might be helpful to someone. Okay. So last week we recorded an episode with Neil and

Mitra and I was shaking with anxiety and I didn't understand why I was shaking with anxiety. Yeah. And afterwards I made a joke that bombed and I was like so self-aware about it. And I was very upset about it. Uh, not that upset about it, but I was like, and I was shaking. And afterwards I revealed I was on like my fourth or fifth day of Lexapro and I had never taken Lexapro before.

And so, uh, my doctor was like with long COVID. He's like, there's no way to really, there's no cure for long COVID. Yeah. And he's like, we should just address some of these symptoms. And I had gotten an anxiety from like some of these symptoms.

I have brain, a lot of brain fog is what my issue was. So I have a lot of brain fog because of the last year and a half, I'm anxious and I'm depressed. So he's like, we can try some SSRI stuff. And there's some thoughts that with long COVID your serotonin is low. So I started, I started Lexapro and I was on like my fourth or fifth day of taking Lexapro and I

was like shaking with nerves and I didn't realize that the first week of taking an SSRI drug fucks with you so bad. Yeah, sure. And I had no idea. But I'm saying all that, not to make an excuse for myself for being unfunny, because I'm always unfunny. But I'm saying that because since I've been taking Lexapro,

my brain fog has been so much better. Hey, that's nice. So there's anyone out there who is suffering from the same thing I am, which 10% of people who get COVID get long COVID. So, so, or that's what they say now. So like, if anyone is suffering with it, I'm on Adderall and I'm on, and I am on a, a Lexapro.

Yeah. And Adderall, I don't even feel anything. It's low dose for both of them. It's like, it's like five milligrams for both of them, but I'm an open book. I wanted to say that and get that out there, but, and if it can help anyone in my situation, I just wanna let them know. That's right, hey, that's very,

it's very helpful you just say that. Yeah, yeah, and you guys were very nice because I was like, I feel crazy, and I was like shaking. To be fair, the joke that you thought bombed did not in fact bombed. Look, who cares about the fucking bad joke, it's such shit.

Do the joke again and we'll see if it's good. I was just so, if I didn't see myself and I was so worried that I was, oh no, no, no, no. I was so nervous that I wasn't myself and I never cared about, I've never cared about bombing on, I don't care anymore, it doesn't bother me. Mitch texted us and was like, just cut me out of the whole episode.

That's what I said after we were done, but you guys were also very nice afterwards and I was like, just cut me out of the whole episode. That's what I said after, after we were done. But you guys were also very nice afterwards. And I was like, I feel kind of crazy. And then you were telling me like, well, you know, from some friends experiences that like SSRIs in the first week or whatever can really mess you up. So it takes a couple of weeks to, for your body to get used to it and for sure. I'm on like eight, day eight or I'm like, not even, you know what I mean?

Like it was a, like a, maybe day seven or something like that. It's day six. So, uh, uh, wait, no day seven or something like that, day six. So, uh, uh, wait, no more than that. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what day I'm on. I feel, I feel much better.

I'm settling into it. That's great. Yeah. But anyways, if it helps anyone, I just wanted to say that I'm going to open book. I don't care about, uh, you know, I think there should be no stigma with taking any sort of, uh, antidepressants or

anti-anxiety medication. So anyways, hit them with a drop. no stigma with taking antidepressants or anti-anxiety medication. Right. So anyways, hit them with a drop. Better be a funny one. Hot grunty. Hot grunty. Hot grunty. Hot grunty. Yeah. Hot grunty. Yeah. Hot grunty. Hot grunty. Yeah.

Yeah. Find some hot grunty pics for God's sake. I've never seen the losing screen for Banjo Kazooie. Piece of shit. Yeah, you have. Oh. Oh. Oh.

It was a good drop. That was a great job. Remember that intense grunty conversation from our episode with Brendan James where we're also talking about drop. That was a great job. Remember that intense Grunty conversation from our episode with Brendan James, where we're also talking about pizza. That's right. And Hot Grunty is so hot. And I wish she was real.

Oh, no, I get what you're talking about. You're not that into her? No, I just need a pic for reference. I need to refresh my memory. Like I said, I don't think I saw the game over screen in Pedro Kazooie. She is very good looking. She's very attractive. Yeah, I get't think I saw the game over screen in Banjo-Kazooie. She is very good looking. She's very attractive.

Yeah, I get it. Can I see her? There we go. Damn. She was in Banjo-Kazooie. Yeah. Lot on. Mi bella.

It's one of those things where it's just like, damn, why'd they make her so hot? And then, as someone who worked in the video game industry, it's because it's just a bunch of dorks making the video game. Fucking horny dorks. You could turn me into a toad any day while I get that hot grunty.

I love the computer lady. Jobs at birdfuck.com. It's not fair that she's not real. You know what I mean? It's not fair that hot Grunty isn't real. The sexy version of the villain from Banjo-Kazooie isn't real. Mitch is the single issue voter, and he'll vote for whoever makes Hot Grunty real.

There could be some, like, I guarantee you I'll make Hot Grunty real. I would, Caruso, whoever it is for mayor, you know what I mean? I would vote. I would vote anyway. Anyone who could get Hot Grunty into our world. But you know if Hot Grunty was real, she'd just like date a DJ.

You know, like she's not gonna be dating Mike Mitchell. Fuck. From Twisted Metal. She's gonna be dating like Logan Paul. I could DJ. Oh, Parappa the rapper, who she'll probably date instead of me. I also think Parappa the rapper should be real. Yeah, Parappa the rapper who's, who she'll probably date instead of me. I also think Parappa the rapper should be real.

Actually, I'm mad that Parappa the rapper isn't real. That'd be cool. It would be. Cool rapper dog. Uh, hi all. Happy fourth. My pets are scared shitless because of the fireworks. So I'm staying in and making drops.

True Doughboyz fan behavior. Hope you enjoyed this hot, grunty drop. God bless you all. Sam or ham underscore sando in the dough score. Thanks, ham sando. I can be found at gummilung.com. Gummilung.com. Wow, how about that?

Mitch, our guest today, returning to the show, an Emmy-winning writer and comedian from Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and Desus and Mero. His new special Positive Reinforcement is available now on YouTube, Josh Gondelman. Hi, Josh. Hey, thank you so much for having me. It's such a pleasure to be here with you all.

We're so happy to have you, because you're based in New York, but when you're out in LA, it's so great that you make time for us, and we're so happy to have you back. Oh my gosh, truly a pleasure. It's so much fun to chat with you guys, to start the movement, the Hot Crunchy Movement. Um, I did forget whether this is one of the podcasts

we were supposed to talk before you're introduced or whether you're super not. So, I barged back in. No, you're not correct. Also, you can talk before we. I'm just shouting dog gum. People are like, who's saying dog gum? No, no, that was perfect.

We should remind, like, let's, Emma and Amelia, let's remind ourselves in the future to tell our guests that it's fine to talk. Oh, OK. Because was perfect. We should remind, like, Emma and Amelia, let's remind ourselves in the future to tell our guests that it's fine to talk. Oh, OK. Because it's fine to talk. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. We talk for a couple of minutes up top.

We get, we get, we, you know, we're talking to each other, getting readjusted to the episode. Right, we're warming up. Yeah. But I think people can chime in for sure. And our listeners can kind of 2x through that chunk till the guest pops in. I think you handled it the perfect letter.

You did great. Thank you. Level. That's very kind. Level. You're an Emmy winner. I'm a Jemmy sitter. I like that.

That's really good, Mitch. See, I'm not even embarrassed by that. That looks like the program has kicked all the way in. So you've been out in LA for, you're out here for about a week or so. A week. Anything in particular you've been nibbling? Oh, you're out here for about a week or so. A week. Anything in particular you've been nibbling? Oh gosh.

I have, yes. So my wife Maris came out, she had a launch event for her new essay collection, I Want to Burn This Place Down, available now in bookstores and book internets. And yeah, she's the best, she's just a really, really wonderful writer. And so she and I went to, we'd never been before when we were visiting LA. We went to Musso and Frank's for the first time. Wow. That was a blast.

Classic sort of Hollywood experience. Totally. A place where we reviewed it on the podcast before, but for people who maybe didn't listen to those episodes, episodes where we talked about it, it's like a frozen in time, like 1930s, like fine dining establishment, what that idea of old Hollywood was, and where the Rat Pack used to dine when they were in town. And I love, like, Alec and his friends.

I love, like, a cozy booth, too. We have a two-person booth. I feel like we live in Brooklyn, and there's all the, like, so many of the nice restaurants in our neighborhood, the chairs are, like, stool, one strap of wicker over the back, and that's the whole chair. And it's like, I just, I like to be comfy. And so it's like a nice comfy experience,

like a cozy like, ooh, we're out, and it's a night on the town. We did, we were super jet lagged, so we did go out at 5 PM and left at like 6 45, still like blazing sunlight. I like that. We had a, like, I love the atmosphere in there. I think it's great.

It is one of those things as a bigger guy. It's, people used to be smaller when you're sitting in those booths. They're pretty snug. Frank Sinatra was two foot six. You don't talk about it. Well, not all of them were small. It is true.

There was a Ava Gardner quote of, you know, he was 110 pounds, or 119 pounds, but 19 of those pounds were his cock, something like that. 119 pounds? You didn't say it the way you like to say it. I can't remember the quote. Cock.

Cock, yeah. Sorry. Full English on it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it was great. Sorry, I blazed right past Frank Snatchers' big dick. 119 pounds is very slight. He was a small man. Yeah. A short king.'s big dick. Yeah. 119 pounds is very slight. He was a small man.

Yeah. A short king. He was a short king. Yeah. 119 pounds. Yeah. Jesus. I don't know if that was actually true.

She may have been being hyperbolic, and she was certainly being hyperbolic about him having a 10-pound cock. It was so sad. Or cock, rather. Just tumors. Riddle of tumors. Yeah.

Just the saddest cock you've ever seen. Enormous and just a death sentence. And then Airbnb is right next to, a few blocks away from this. I was going to say, one look at hot grunt you're done for. You're going to turn pale white. All the blood. We're near this little coffee shop cafe called Doubting Thomas, which are Airbnb

hosts recommended for the pastries, and they are really good. I got like a Danish with whipped cream and fruit, and they have a very like, um, avocado forward breakfast burrito that's really good. I know, I've heard recently, I know your breakfast burrito stance, so I apologize for bringing it up. I just, I was, I went hard on them. I think I went a little too crazy on the breakfast, but went hard on them. I think I went a little too crazy on the breakfast. But I did.

Yeah, you did. I went a little too crazy. I've had good breakfast burritos before. But it's, yeah, so it's been nice. We've been trying to eat well, but not overdo it. My wife is now gone, so I'm going to eat like a monster for three days. I love it.

What do you like? So this is a thing when you're in a relationship. There are the meals you get when you're not with your partner. You get to go a little bit more feral. You get to maybe have stuff that they're less interested in. One of those things for you. Unless you live in that hashtag no wife life. Wow.

I know. People aren't really doing hashtags anymore. The no wife life, you can go feral whenever you want. Sure. Yeah, well, I want to hear the answer to this question. But also, I do want to hear what you got at Musso and Frank's. want, sure. But yeah, well, I want to hear this. I want the answer to this question. But also, I do want to hear what you got at Musso. I want to hear what you guys got at Musso and Frank's. Oh, yeah.

So OK, I'll do that one first. We did the Caesar salad, which was great Caesar salad. We did something else. Oh, we got olives. My house is a big olive head. Love olives. And so we went with the marinated olive bread, which is really good.

We each got an 8 ounce, which is really good. We got, we each got an filet, eight ounce filet. Very good. The potatoes are gratin, good. And then the grilled broccolini. Yeah. I think you did a great order. Thank you. What did you, do you, how did you think the food,

because I think a lot of people who go to Musso's, it's funny to me because we went for steak and shake, whatever number it was, eight or something with Susser. Where's it? Nine. It might have been this last year with Susser. No idea. Susser was happening.

Could have happened pre-pandemic. I have no fucking idea. I think it was in the future. It could be in the future. I think. Mitch is like having a premonition. It was December 23. 2023.

OK, so not this last. It wasn't the last. Oh, right, because we went to the pizza place the last one. So two steak and shakes ago. Yes. And Susser wanted, I think, a big steak dinner. Our December year-end episode where we go ostensibly to steak and shake.

And I had like- Because you're a big fan of their beef tallow fried ball. Yeah, that's right. This is- I had like one of my favorite dinners there. They were like knocking it out of the park. But then I think sometimes, like I was like, oh, this is like one of the best steak dinners I've the park. But then I think sometimes, I was like, oh, this is one of the best steak dinners I've ever had.

And then I think that there's other times where people can go there and be like, the food is okay. Well, again, part of the frozen in time aspect is it feels very dated. The menu is not, I mean, doesn't completely condense. But it's fun too, to ask cargo and stuff like that. Yeah, sure, yeah.

There's that whole section that's like, here's a bunch of fucked up shit. Yeah. That's what it's called, I think. Yeah. Jelly bread? What the fuck? Bread. Claw of newt.

Damn, yeah, Joey Bishop loved the claw of newt. He would hit you if they were out of it. I guess the Rolling Stones' favorite thing to order there was liver and onions. And it's just like, oh yeah, they're old men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very old- British.

And British, yeah. Yeah. Was that like back in the day even, or is that like? I think it was back in the day. That's funny. But okay, so like you're on your own, you get to eat whatever you want, you get to go wild. What do you indulge in?

So my wife has type 1 diabetes, and so there are certain foods that she kind of steers clear of, Jeff, because it's like not great for her blood sugar, which like stuff with a lot of sauce is kind of unpredictable. So I do a lot of like Indian food. Oh, wow. That's like kind of like if she's out at a work thing and I'm home for the night hanging out with the pug,

I like almost I like very reliably order Indian food for myself. We can't just blaze past the the the pug. But so that's what Wager says to Natalie when he's going to record with me. I go hang out with the pug for but I just wanna come back to that. That's what Weiger says to Natalie when he's gonna record with me. I go hang out with the pug for a while. What is your, like any favorite Indian dishes, any go-tos? Gosh, the place that I do, that I go in my neighborhood has like a special that I can break into two meals because it comes with, you get an appetizer,

you get two veggie samosas. I get the lamb sag, because it's got some chicken in there. It's not too creamy. And then some rice and a garlic naan, as usual. That's my usual order. And I break it all right down the middle and do lunch the next day. Tell us about your pug.

Oh, she's so good. Her name is Maggie. She's from, I don't know if I should even say this. She was the pug rescue of New England. They were very gracious, even though we don't live in New England. They know my New England roots and our pug roots, so that they hooked us up. And she was living in Worcester, Massachusetts.

She was with a foster family. She was a Worcester foster. And... And she is so cute. She's like four and a half. Because we had an elderly pug named Bizzy who passed away last year. I normally don't say it like that. No, thank you.

I normally say we said goodbye to her last year. And then I tell people she left the country during the election. We're out of the election. But there's two versions of that. There's a totally. She thought Trump was going to lose and she was out of it. She was like, I don't wanna live in this country anymore.

Ha ha ha ha. She, and so we, our last bug busy was 17, a little over 17 when she passed away. And we thought... Rich long life. Yeah. It's amazing. We felt so grateful for that. And then we thought we were gonna wait a little longer before getting a new dog and then, don't listen, Jimmy.

And then like this spring, my wife Maris was like, oh, you know, I think I'm ready. And so we kind of, you have to go kind of whole hog in the adoption process because you just like fall in love and you have to be like, I can see myself living with this dog for a decade. And then you go, ah, someone else got her. And you're like, ah, shit, I'm bereft.

And then you have to fall in love with a new dog every three days. And we really lucked out. And we got a real star. That's amazing. Yeah. Love it. We're really, really psyched.

All right, you mentioned Boston. And the New England Pug Rescue. Pug Rescue of New England. Pug Rescue of New England. Yes, I remember running away from them often. Um... Um... Get the big net.

Ha ha ha. We're talking New England. You and Mitch have shared roots in Boston. That's right. You started doing comedy there. I did. I really love Massachusetts. But we're talking. I started, so, at Dick Doherty's Beantown Comedy Vault.

Okay, okay, cool. And... Yeah, yeah, that's not a bad spot. I'm the comedy studio in Harvard Square. Yeah, that's a good one, yeah. I hosted an open mic at Sally O'Brien's in Summerville for a while. The only one I didn't know was at the Harvard Square one. Oh, yeah, I think I do know. Wait, what was the first one again?

The Dick Doherty's Beantown Comedy Vault. A lot of the Emerson guys. Oh, OK. Because it was right kind of in the Emerson campus, essentially. The only one I don't know is all of them. I know the one in Harvard Square. OK. But a lot of the, I mean, when I was in Boston,

I saw Robert Schimel at the Comedy Connection. Comedy Connection at Faneuil Hall, right? I worked there a couple of times, like a little bit before they closed down. Yeah, Motley's was a club that's gone. Dick Doherty was a fascinating, rest in peace. He hired me to host college night at his club on Tuesdays. And he called me to give me his life story.

And I think this is OK to share. But he goes, he was like, he's an old guy. He kind of looked like Ben Franklin. And so on the phone, he's like giving me the rundown of his career. And he's like, I was famous. I was, I was killing. I was bringing him on a hand over fist, playing all up and down Cape Cod. And I was like, okay. Uh, that was like the, the reach of his. Right. And he was like, I was rich. I was famous. And I threw it all away on booze and drugs. And I was like, I'm really sorry to hear that. And he goes, uh, that's okay because I got rich I was famous and I threw it all away on booze and drugs and I was like I'm really sorry to hear that and he goes, uh, that's okay because I got rich and famous again Yeah, and I'm like, so do you want me to host a show for $30 on Tuesday night or not?

It's like 22 years old like oh, sir They love to tell I mean,, sir. I love to tell. I mean, you know what? I love to listen. I do, too. I love that kind of mythologizing the good old days in a fun way. I remember being on the phone being like, well,

I'll never forget this story, and I will never fact check any of it. Well, there's all of those guys, like Lenny Clark and all those guys, there was like the places on like Route One and stuff. You know what I'm talking about, Emma? There's like that like a- Giggles at the Prince Pizza.

Prince, yes, Prince Pizza, yes. And then the Kowloon. Yeah, Kowloon, yes, yeah, Kowloon is a lot. Kowloon's legendary. Wags has never been to Kowloon. I got to take you to Kowloon. That would be a really fun Boston trip. Yeah.

It is like, I heard, this is again, never fact checked it. Someone said it's the largest Chinese restaurant in the world. Wow. It's this huge, like two-story fusion, Asian fusion restaurant, tons of tiki drinks. And there's like a ship's mast as part of the decor that you can eat dinner in, like eat dinner

in the bow of a ship. And I went to, they also have true, you go upstairs, I went to, it was a memorial reception for a friend, and I brought my wife, she'd never been there, and she was like, what is this place? And we walked upstairs, and there was the biggest thin blue line flag I've ever seen in my life. Oh man.

She was like, I donated that. And my wife was like, is that for the funeral? And I was like, I think it's just for the restaurant, to be like, hey, we're cool cops. Don't fucking fuck with us. I'm sure they got a ton of cops in there. For sure. It's right on Route 1.

So it's like a place where you go under Mai Tai's and then you go on to Route 1, basically. But on a highway, basically. Yeah, it's on a highway, basically. I remember driving around there, going there after theater plays and stuff in high school. And Route 1, the on-ramps are like six feet long. You have to go from stops to 70 like that.

Yes. It's two lanes, so there is no way to get out of a way of traffic. Everyone's just going full tilt. And I was such a nervous, slow driver as a kid. And I was driving my dad's. This is 2003. I'm driving my dad's, this is like 2003, I'm driving my dad's 86 stick shift Honda Accord,

just like praying no one rear-ends me going 1,000 miles an hour. I would say it's akin to the two, is it the two that has the stop signs that you have to then just jump out on? Is it the two freeway? I think it is. 110, yeah.

I think it's the 110. It is the 110, okay. I thought it's the 110. It is the 110, OK. I thought it was either the two or the two. Hyperspecific New England highway talk to hyperspecific LA highway. That's right. So yeah, it's- I mean, now two places know.

I guess that was more just freeways. That was for you. No, no, no, I get it, yeah. Is it the 110 or is it the two and the 110? I guess it is the 110. The 110 goes to Pasadena. Maybe it's both. Samoa Joe loves- Calhoun. Calhoun. The two and the one, I guess it is the one. The one tango is pastina. Maybe it's both.

Samoa Joe loves Khao Khao Loon. Wrestlers always go there. It's that sort of, like a lot of Chinese restaurants, which you've seen some. Like there's a, it's like a Chinese restaurant slash Tiki theme that mixes between the two. If it was not owned by an Asian family for years, like an Asian-American family, you would look at the building

and be like, is this building racist? That's the old Boston charm. Is this building a cult? Is this like culturally specific, or is it a full on mockery? I mean, a lot of those places are fucking awesome. I mean, like, they're some of my favorite places. They're like a restaurant that tells it like it is. They're my favorite. They're like, they're Disney. A restaurant that tells it like it is.

They're like Disney. They're like Disney restaurant. Sure. And like, it's representing like a culture that doesn't actually exist. Yes. It's just sort of like this weird, band-aid approximation.

Everyone I've ever been to have been Asian-American owned. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. It wasn't like some guy named like Sean Smith being like, yeah, this would fucking rock. Dude. I mean, I have dreamed of buying the Wallace & Yau Club Sean Smith being like, yeah, this would fucking rock. Dude.

I mean, I have dreamed of buying the Wallace and Yacht Club and turning it into a tiki bar, which is appropriation. But that is my dream of doing that someday. But it would fucking rule. To have, imagine that, a yacht club and it's a tiki bar. You go out on the water. Whatever. That's nice.

I think in our current political climate, appropriation is a plus now. But you can't actually be the original cultural nation. You will not get funding. This might make it happen, honestly. But Route 1 has. The federal government is giving you funding for this Tiki bar? They took it away from Noah.

We don't know when storms are happening, but we do. We can't have white people on a Tiki bar. On Route 1, there's a Sonic Wags, and there is a Pizzeria. There's the second best pizzeria, Regina Route 1, there's a Sonic Wags, and there is a pizzeria. Oh, yeah. I'll go fast. There's like the second best pizzeria, Regina, and there is like a... Used to be Hilltop Steakhouse.

Yes, yeah. And they had the big neon cactus and cows and stuff. There's a building that is half Dunkin' Donuts drive-thru and half liquor stores. You can get everything you need in one spot. It's America's drunk driving capital. The other Santarpios is there. There's like a lot of stuff on Route 1.

Santarpia's pizza, we all went with. We had a lovely time when we were in Boston. Did you go to the East Boston one? Is that what it is? Yes. Yeah, by the airport. And he loved it. I loved it.

Well, I was going to ask you, you worked at the communication there in Faneuil Hall, which is now closed, right? Yes, it closed. Yeah, it was big, like 400, 450 seats. Big comedy club. This is when you could make a living going up and down Cape Cod. Right, sure. You can make not only a living like when you could make a living going up and down Cape

Cod. Right, sure. You can make not only a living, but you could become rich and famous. I throw it away on Boos and Drugs. But that's the thing, you hear the story from Dick Doherty, was it? Yeah.

You hear that story, and it's just like, yeah, there was a time when that could be a living. I actually believe him. I believe that he had some. And it feels like a Catskills, Borschbelt, like, oh, there's this circuit for this kind of performer. And he did, and he was, I should say, was sober for many years before he passed away. So it's like, you know, I wasn't like,

ah, I was fucking drunk. Yeah, sure. But he, but yeah, it's that kind of thing where it was like, oh, there, and New England is still in some ways like a closed circuit for comedy. Like when I started there, they didn't, other than the comedy connection, didn't bring in a bunch of other,

there were a bunch of clubs in the city that were like, the same roster of local headliners, many of them are really, really wonderful. And then some, you're kind of like, oh, this person is still doing that kind of like, old school. Sure. Steve Sweeney is still like the very local stand up guy. He's like a guy who like does radio stuff and like,

will go and do like any sort of like, banquet or whatever in Massachusetts. When I saw, when I met Sandler after Righteous Gems, when I'm like great. I thought you said when I met Santa for a second. That's a liar. That's a liar. Nice to meet you.

Yeah. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. I would love to see you break to an adult man that Santa isn't real. Well, I'm to find out.

When I met Sandler after my meeting Santa, it's another story, he was, I was like, I'm from Quincy, and then he was like, oh, they got this place here, and I didn't, I was like, yeah, and I was just like saying yes, because I was nervous and trying to make the conversation short and just make Sandler like me. But he was basically seeing the Beachcomber,

which is a bar in Quincy, I was like, I can't believe Adam Sandler played the Beachcomber, which is now closed. Just a tiny little shitty club in Quincy, Massachusetts, right where we got fried clams, Wiggs. He was doing a stand-up. My parents always go see this comedian, Bob Marley. The King of Maine. Yes.

He's a huge Maine comedian. His comedy is so New England specific, but it will get New Englanders pissing their pants. He has a kiosk, or used to at least, in the main mall that just sold his merch and his records. Wow. That's how big he is in Maine. And he's toured other places too, but he has 10 hours just about Maine. It's so specific.

Yeah, I mean, would you hate it? Probably is my guess. I don't think you would like any. It's very local, but you know what? I think I don't think you would like any, it's like very local. But you know what? I think I wouldn't understand it, but I think it's actually it. Yeah, it's like, it's really fascinating.

Like just he's like, yeah, I'm the king of this region. And like, there's so many people, like Tony V is a Boston, he's so funny. And he's still a guy that I like talk to for like standups. You know, like I would still reach out to him for advice with stand-up stuff. He's just the funniest, best guy. Yeah. OK, you mentioned you had a mic in Boston.

And we have to bring this up, which is that you have a connection with the writer of Doughboy's The Comic Book, available now, BeOurKids.com, which was written by Alex Fearer. Alex Fearer was doing your mic. Yeah. He would do that due time on that open mic. He just has like, from that time years ago,

I think he was still in college. He was super young. Super young. And like, his comedic sensibility was like so clear. He has like that old timey sensibility where I always tease him because like everything I've read that he's written, he uses the word stinky in.

And I'm just like, that's like a vaudeville upside. That's why he works with the Doughboys. They did do Last Call on the bathroom here before the podcast started. You're gonna wanna get here before the Doughboys get here. No, yeah, he's like a coked up Buster Keaton. He's great.

He's so sweet and so funny. And yeah, like, it was cool to, like, see him with this, like, the, um, like, prototype of his current comedic voice and stuff. It's like, it's so nice. And it's great to see people from that era thriving. And I, like, also have the, um. I'd say coked up Buster Bunny. And it's great to see people from that era thriving. And I also have the, um.

I'd say coked up Buster Bunny. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm like, oh, you hosted the first show I ever did. And I'm like, great. You'll be impressed with me no matter how bad I'm doing. Because I was like a slightly working comic when you were 19. I'm going to put you on the spot with this ask. But Alex is spoken so highly of you. He is such a great actor. And I'm like, I'm going to put you on the spot with this ask. But Alex is such a great actor. And I'm like, I'm going to put you on the spot with this ask. But Alex is spoken so highly of you.

He is such a fan of yours. He's so happy to know you. He would love to give you a rendering and a future issue of the Doughboyz comic book. Would you be willing to do that? Would you be willing to have your likeness appear in the printed pages of Doughboyz comic? If it does, I'm going to ruin the comic book for you guys.

It will ruin the comic book. It will make him very happy. It will ruin the comic book. It will make him happy. I mean, we might as well just throw it out the window. People just reading it like, ugh, through the trash. Well, now they can specifically look for this.

You're seeing a moment in the comic book which we have not. We've only written one issue so far. It's true. Well, two is almost done. Oh, that's very sweet. We've only written one. You and I just like looking at Google, and we're like, yeah, that looks pretty good.

Good job, Alex. Good job, Fred. Hold down thumbs up emoji. We work hard. They do the majority of the work. They do a great job. Yeah. Yes, it would be really helpful. We'd of course love to have you. It would be amazing.

Thank you so much. He's going to love that. All right. He's going to go. You'll see a lot of, you're going to see a gigantic email coming your way. By the way, I did, when I did Hidden America with Jonah Ray. Oh yeah. The CISO show, Rest In Peace CISO.

There was like a flicker where I was like, oh no, did something happen to Jonah? Oh no, Jonah is fine, Jonah sorry, just sorry to announce your death. Jonah is fine, Jonah is fine. I was looking for some last September. We were running around and we shot at a couple comedy clubs

there, but with Kevin Meany, who was a Boston standup for a long time and has passed away. Rest in peace, Kevin Meany. Very funny guy. Yeah, so funny. From the 80s comic boom, I feel like he was a big part of it. Boston was like, that was the hub, the 80s comic boom. But I think Bobcat was there, right?

Like Janine Garofalo. Bobcat, Janine. David Cross, who records in this verycat was there, right? Like Janine Garofalo, David Cross, who records in this very studio, Marin, yeah? Yeah, it's, I like, I feel- At Ranch East was over there. Wow. I feel so like indebted to the Boston Company legacy.

Did you ever watch that movie when Stand Up stood out? Yes. I loved it. It's like a really fun documentary. A lot of it is about- I think it starts with Kevin Meaney. Oh yeah. Doesn't it not? Like, isn't he doing a report on the street stuff? I might be wrong.

No, I think you're right. And there's a lot of good Stephen Wright. Yeah, yeah. The funniest. The guy on the couch from Half Baked for, to make the reference slightly closer to now. I guess, like, I don't know if young people have seen Half Baked.

The radio voice in Reservoir Dogs. Oh, yeah. That's also true. Yeah. I like him such a. And then even the people working out, I'm like, oh, Gary Gullman and Mike Birbiglia. I'm like, oh, this is so cool.

I really love that legacy, the Boston State of Legacy. And Mike Mitchell. Mike Mitchell. Who? Let's see. I don't know why you made me do it. No, no. I mean, it's the right way to do it.

And also, I think people in Boston would specifically say who. And also, I never did any comedy in Boston, so it's... It's also so funny, too, because I love Boston, I love visiting, my family's still there, but it is the kind of thing where it's like, uh, fuck you, fuck, like, people, there's the local, I feel like there's so much, like, apathy towards the local scene at times where it's like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck, like, people, there's the local, I feel like there's so much like apathy towards the local scene at times where it's like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you,

and then you're like, but I'm Aerosmith now, and like, we always fucking loved you, kid. Yeah, sure. Once you make it, once you, yeah. What's the other big place near the north end where I know this, I filmed it. Improvisilum? Improvisilum.

That's the other, that's a lot of young comedy people are in Improvisilum. Anyways, no one's. Sounds like where the Joker belongs. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Take that out. Just take that part out. No, no, no, that's good.

Take that out of the episode. I'll give you a Lexapro. Give me a location where I got that smile. Or got those scars. Excuse me. I like the Jokers at the Improvis Island. I think that's funny. Let's, uh.

I do like it. See, you didn't do this for me. I liked it. Thank you, Mitch. We'll take it out. No. I want to talk about Boston Beats a little bit. If you take a break, let me do it.

Improv Asylum sounds like a place the Joker would stay. Let's get it. God, I would love to see the Joker's Improv show. He'd be like, all I need to start is the location where I got these scars. I'm really trying to make that joke happen. Keep mine in, actually. Fuck, I don't think I'm gonna fucking hack.

Put it after Mitch's. So it looks like Wiger's trying to do Mitch's. But keep only the good one that I did, not the bad one. Let's talk Boston Eats a little bit. So OK, we're going to get into pizza. And pizza. We're at the Improv Assign. We're not far from Regina.

That's true. Pizzeria Regina, which I have enjoyed. I've enjoyed San Torpio's. Do you have any favorites among Boston Pizza? Amelia gives it a big thumbs up. There's Papageno's is out there too. But does not like Improv talk. That includes that night at Regina.

Let's not speak of that night. Amelia had a couple of drinks, and let's just say, she was speaking freely that night. That's why she erased all those notes. She was covering her trails. Yeah, that's right. But you did. You liked.

I was happy that Regina, I thought the cheese pizza was undercooked when we were there. But obviously, Regina is the big one. You've been to the North End Regina before. Yeah. Yes, of course. And it's fantastic, of course. It's great.

I will sometimes, even when I take the train up from New York, I'll get a slice at the South Station Regina's, which is obviously a little outpost. Sure. I'm like, ah, this is pretty good for train station food. I like that. Somebody feed Phil. somebody feed Phil. Everybody, Phil's hungry.

Phil. Phil Rosenthal's show, I got mad at him because he was eating at, he was like, pizzeria Regina, and he just did it recently. And he was at the Fanul Hall location. You're so close to the fucking North End location, Phil. It's like going to Grand Central Market in LA and being like, here's the full review of this place.

Yeah, there's the original location. It's like not even a 10 minute walk. He's so, well, a little 10 minute walk at least. But like, it's so close there. Maybe it was a production issue. Maybe that this is giving, you know, giving the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were like, well, we can't have you shoot

at the original, but you can shoot at the original. Let me just say, there'll be just as many thin blue line flags in that Italian establishment. Oh, I love that thin blue line. I wish it was red or green or white, but I like it. They do a thin blue crust pizza. It's really incredible. That's really incredible. So we have that, San Torpio's in East Boston. And then there are a couple other good slices around.

But what did you, what, what? There was, there was a great pizza spot. There still is, right? Right around the corner from where I grew up. And the, the owner, when I would come in, I would order, like my sister and I would split a little pizza when my family would order pizza. And we'd walk my dad and I would walk and bring pizzas back.

And I would always order, I don't know, I don't think I told this on the show before, but I would order the meatball and olive pizza and my sister would get plain cheese. And they would know that it was us from, because nobody else ordered that combination. And so I'd walk with my dad and the owner, Sal, would always very generously have a meatball

and a little sauce and like a to-go Tupperware for me. And he would go, a meatball for the boy. Oh, I love that. It was the best. Adorable. Love it. But my favorite, like, I mean, I'm a big Duncan guy, but also I was back in Massachusetts with Maris

for her Boston book event. I interviewed her, really held her feet to the fire. Just really grilled her. And we went to Anna's taqueria in Porter Square, which is great. Yeah, yeah. Which we have, we did. No, we've not reviewed it.

Oh, we've never reviewed it. Yeah, and I've never been. It's always on the list of things to review, but something's always gone ahead of it, so. You have had it. When do we have it? We had it for lunch before a show once. Did we? I think we did. I don't remember this.

If we did, I don't remember it. I don't know. This is great. But like, I it's funny because my dad would like eat. I think my dad would eat on us every day. My dad took me to, oh, my God. My favorite sandwich place. Angelo's. No, I love the angels. No, I love the Boston.

They're near. Oh, God. Oh, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's near, uh, it's, it's near, uh, the commons. It is called, uh, I'll figure out, I'll figure out what it is. But my fajitas and Ritas, my dad, my dad would take us to what's fajitas and Ritas. It's, it's what it sounds like. Fajitas and margaritas. Yeah. Is that still there?

Big fat ones. I don't know. It was what I was in college. Was that in the transportation building? Or no? No, that was up towards Suffolk, off the comments. Yeah, on a little size tree. And it was just a place that we all, the second you turned 21,

it was an honor to go sit at fajitas and ritas and just drown in a margarita. Yeah, it's great. It sounds bad and good. Yeah, it is. I bet objectively the food is not good quality. It's a great place to sit and get trash on margaritas and just eat chips and guac and stuff. Like I bet like objectively the food is not good quality, but a lot of fun. It's a great place to sit and get trashed on margaritas

and just like eat chips and guac and stuff. Right. It's so fun. My dad would get like just a white rice and chicken. My dad was much healthier than I. It's burrito, no cheese, just like white rice and chicken, and maybe beans, and then a turkey sandwich. He would eat that every day.

He would always just have the same lunch all the time. And it was Anna's, but I didn't go to school in Boston. And so my Anna's taqueria experience, Anna's or Anna's? Anna's, right? I think it's Anna. I don't know. We had a Maria's taqueria was right on Emerson's campus,

which is like, so that was my go-to taqueria place. So when people have an affinity for Anna's, I'm like, I was at Maria's while everybody else was at Anna's. And there's Felipe's now in Cambridge. And was the sandwich place you're trying to remember in the transportation building? No. And it's Sam LaGrosse's.

Sam LaGrosse's has some of the best sandwiches. I was going to look up whether it was Anna or Anna, but I opened up my browser and I still had a tab of a hot grunty. Holy shit. Hey, now wait a minute. That's a different hot grunty. That's Fannart. This is Fann hot grunty. Oh yeah, this is fan art. This is fan art.

And I'm liking that, too. You're a fan art fan. I might be doing some rule 23 grunty searching later. Rule 23. Oh, fuck. Rule 34? Yeah, I don't know what 23 gave me. Paul Pierce's number, rule 34.

That's the truth. That's the truth. Oh, man. One of my best friends, who is a really funny comedy writer, my buddy Jason Marcus, he this morning, I think, sent me a video of Paul Pierce being like, they were showing him different people.

They were like, was your game better than this guy? And he was like, yes. To all of them. It was like, I just love. I love that attitude. I love that, man. Paul Pierce gets way too much shit, because here's the other thing, Wiggs. Paul Pierce was genuinely good.

Yeah. He was a great basketball player. All-of-famer. And from LA. I have a lot of affection for Paul Pierce. He should be in that conversation with a lot of those guys, and he's not. And he has the confidence.

Some would say he has too much confidence about him. But I like it. He's an Inglewood guy. Well, he came from Inglewood. He went to high school in Inglewood. Mitch, I think this is some Photoshop enhanced cosplay you might appreciate of a game over screen. You know what?

Maybe I should just get to meet this lady. I think the audio listeners, Mitch, has gotten up and left the studio. Anna's concrete. There's a cloud of dust behind his feet. You know what, it's two N's, so it could very well be Anna's. I think it is Anna's taqueria.

I don't know why I started changing. I think I said Anna's, but I don't know why I said that specifically. And you know how it is where we all get scared because Boston people are just gonna yell at us. It's just gonna happen. It's so, yeah, it's brutal. I know that firsthand. I know that.

All right, just delete all the notes. I just want to give a shout out to Ernesto's Pizza in the North End. I like Ernesto's. Did you figure out that sandwich spot? It's Sam LaGrasse's. OK. You got to try Sam LaGrasse's last next time.

I can't believe you haven't had Sam LaGrasse's. But, and Kowloon, those will be the next things that we call them after this. Kowloon is such a blast, it's really fun. Sounds like my kind of spot. It is funny, yeah, we're gone. Oh, I was gonna say, there's a place in Quincy that is Cathay Pacific,

that is like a much shittier version of Kowloon. But you would, I think you would honestly would fucking love it. You took me to the China in Quincy, which I think was a similar sort of experience. The China is a newer version of Calhoun, but you would, I think you would honestly would fucking love it. You took me to the China in Quincy, which I think was a similar sort of experience. The China is a newer version of it, like Cathay Pacific, you'll get like, like older weirdos karaokeing there every night.

Right. You would love it. It's a, you know, we've dumbly built this country around a personal operation of the automobile and all our infrastructure is like, is like roads you have to drive on. And then there's the, you hear about a place like Calhoun, and it's just like, oh yeah, so much of our economy

is reliant on drunk driving. We just have normalized, like people, you have to drive someplace, get fucked up, probably be over the legal limit, and then get your car home safely. I will not name this person. This is years and years ago, but I opened for a much older headliner.

This is years and years ago, but I opened for a much older headline, and this is 2009. And he showed up with a large Dunkin iced coffee cup with visibly not iced coffee in it. And the manager was like, what is that? And he was like, black Russian. Half full black Russian. Oh my god. She goes, we have booze here. And he goes, yeah, I was working somewhere else

a couple weeks ago. They said they don't like when I drink, so now I don't take chances. Jesus. Jesus. This was in Boston? This was at the Caloon. Yeah, that makes sense.

Ernesto's great slice of pizza on the north end. And then Galleria Umberto, which is like, you can get a Arancini's and stuff there, but they have a little square size that's very good. But when I was a boy, I went to Boston Children's Hospital because I was losing sight in one eye. I almost went blind in one of my eyes. And I've said this before, right? You've talked about this.

Yeah, I almost went blind in one of my eyes. They didn't know what was wrong with me, and then it turned out that I was almost going blind in one eye, I couldn't see anything. But my mom took me to get a big slice of pizza, and I think it was at Ernesto's, because they have like giant, giant slices of pizza. And it was like a memory that will never leave me

and a thing that like, it's my happiest memory. Being in the car with my mom and having like this, like a slice of pizza, a big slice of cheese pizza, and it was delicious, Wags. Yeah, how about that? I mean- Right after they told you you were losing your eyesight? I mean, I didn't care.

I mean, I think they were lying to me. And I think it was probably right after they told me I had to wear an eye patch for a year or whatever. But you know those young food memories that just never escape you? No, yeah, I know what you mean. That for me is, and the first time I tried buffalo fingers, I remember in my head too. When was that?

Down Cape Cod at, and there was a bar that had them kind of early, and I'm going to remember the name of it. I just found out I was going to lose the use of one leg. Yeah. Diabetes. Yeah. Aw.

The one I think was because you jacked halfway off. Just one side of your dick. We had this is, I, my friend, a childhood friend would, like this was like when we were 10 and we knew that there was such a thing as masturbating, but like didn't know the mechanics of it at all. Right. Like instead of this, because this wasn't

a thing we'd seen as like, oh, yeah, whatever, I had a friend that started like this, like you're starting a fire. And so that's how our whole friend group of 10-year-olds was like, what are you doing in there? Like moving an open palm backwards and forwards. Like rubbing sticks together in a fire. And we did that for like until someone was like, guys,

I got some news. There's a new way. You know what, I think the name just came back to me, but I'm not sure. Is it Bobby Burns or something like that? I don't know. That's the place in the cape with the buffalo tenders? Buffalo, the first time I ever had buffalo wings. Oh, buffalo wings.

Yeah. I just remember the bite. I remember having the. We did the wings at Ye Rustic Inn, too, while we were in town, which was great. What do you think? How fun is that? It was great.

It was the last. It was our Marises after party was for the book event. So you've, you know, you were in Boston, but now you're in the city that never sleeps. That's right. Yeah, home of the slice, New York City. Home of the slice. Do you have any favorite?

Somebody call that sellout behavior, going to New York. Not LA. Yeah, what's he going to say? Not LA. New York City. Do you have any favorite? Somebody call that sellout behavior, going to New York. Not LA. Yeah, I was just going to say. Not LA. New York City? I will tell you, I bet you feel the same way. A pet peeve of mine is when someone moves, especially from Boston, but from anywhere, to New York or LA

and is like Yankees hat 24-7 then. Or like, same honestly with the Lakers. And I get like, you live a place and you adopt it, but it's like, you land at the airport, you buy the Mets hat at the airport before you leave, and you're like, I live here now. And I'm a Celtics fan, so I say fuck you to all of you. I don't care.

You know, the thing that's harder for me is being a Red Sox fan. And baseball used to be my number one sport. And also, the Dodgers are so good. Yeah. And we've given, you know, we basically gave Mookie Betts to the Dodgers. And good. Yeah. And we've given, you know, we've basically gave Mookie bets to the Dodgers and now they're like winning

and the Red Sox have been shitty and it's just harder to watch them. And I want to adopt the Dodgers in my second team, but I can't ever, Red Sox will always be one. And then I just like, don't care that much about Dodgers. And as a result, I don't watch baseball anymore. Yeah, the Red Sox have been, it's been a tough couple of seasons.

I wear, I get a new Red Sox hat basically every year. Like I sweat through the whole thing, a big sweaty bald head. Sure. And thank you. And so I got a fresh hat. I'm like beginning of the season and I used to live uptown. I used to live in Harlem and it was a little more contentious with people. I think I live in a neighborhood with a few more transplants as I am one myself.

And so there's less like homegrown, like, Yankees forever. But I got it the other day and like couldn't figure out what was happening, because I just walked down the street and a guy went, we're gonna get you today. And I was like, who the fuck, what? And he was like pointing to my hat, I was like,

oh, right, and he's like, oh, good. And he was like, wow, the Red Sox were sweeping the Yankees right before they traded Rafael Devers. And I was like, I was like pointing to my hat and I was like, oh, right. And he's like, oh, good. And he was like, wow, the Red Sox were sweeping the Yankees right before they traded Rafael Devers. And I was like, ah, you know, I like our chances. And he was like, no, we're going to get you. And I was like, OK. Wiger and I were just talking about how sports, like sports ownership has gone out of this like phase of,

oh, it's like these billionaire rich people that own them to now like corporations. It's like now it's around the. Yeah, it was like these billionaire rich people that own them to now corporations. It's like now it's around that. Yeah, it was a family thing where like the fa- like this was like a, and not even that these were good people. The owners are always pieces of shit. But that's one of the things you just

have to accept when you're rooting for a sports team. But like there was a time. You're against Clembers fans because you don't think they should have got rid of Donald Sterling. Yeah. Bring back the dog. Yeah, he's Johnny Cumley. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They, like, the owners used to be, like, there was a time when it was, like, a family business and, like, the family would own this and this would be, like, their main source of revenue. Yeah. Then it became a thing where, like, now, then it was hobbyist billionaires, where it's, like, now they're on the team. Now it's so big that it has to be, like, a sovereign wealth fund owns it.

Yep. It has to be, like, a, you know to be like a hedge fund and a bunch of trustees like allying together. I'm so stupid about money. And I don't care to know about it. But when they're like, oh, yeah, we have to have like a sovereign wealth fund to purchase the Lakers or whatever, I'm like, maybe it just

shouldn't cost that much. Right. Like, is there something we could do so that it costs an amount of money people can have? Maybe, yeah, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to buy it that way. Maybe that should be, but you know, whatever. Look, Wick Grossbeck seems like a nice guy. Didn't he sell the team?

He did. He did, yeah. But it seemed like he was the one that wanted to keep it. My one New York team is, because there was no Massachusetts WNBA team, the closest Connecticut, which is not the same. I claimed the Liberty when they moved back to the city from Vibon up in Westchester. And that's been a really fun few years too. What a who. Just won a title.

Just won a title. Celtics and Liberty. I was two titles Josh for a while. I claimed both personally. Who's the elephant that stomps around? Ellie the Elephant. Yeah, a lot of fun. Horny. Incredible mascot. Yeah, horny mascot. Horny?

She does like dance. She gets like, she does like some dances that are pretty horny. Doesn't she? Let me see if I can look her up. Is twerking horny? Or is that, I can't tell if twerking is horny. Doesn't she kind of do a twerk or something?

It's a little horny. Yeah. OK. I mean, you're shaking your ass at somebody. Actually, I did find a video of her dancing. Oh, no. There she goes. I do not like that this exists.

I do like that that exists. She does. Towards the end of the game, they do the Ellie Stomp, where all the backup dancers are dancing with her, and then she stomps, and they all fly back like she shook the ground with her big stomp. That's fun. All right, maybe it's not that horny.

That's not the only thing. She does a little Torkin. OK, all right. That's great. Yeah, it's a great mascot. Yeah, a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Do you think I'm committed to being an Angelino? I think so. I've been here for 20 years. Yeah, a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Do you think I'm committed to being an Angelino?

I think so. I've been here for 20 years. Yeah, I know. I think so. Like, yeah, no. Why would you think it is? I love the city anyways. I can't believe fucking Kohl's is shutting down. Kohl's, which is the one of the two places in LA, one of the two institutions that claims

to have invented the French dip sandwich along with Philippe's. Go while you're here. French dips. I think we've been. Kohl's is great. French dips and I've been to Ben. It's really good. French dips and discount pants. RIP to a place that can do it all. Coles is like over 100 years old, just like one

of these things in the city that's like, you know, like historical, cool to go in there. The food is great. The area, I think, is just a lot of people. There's not a lot of traffic there anymore I don't know what the deal is, but they're closing. It's just a fucking another place another fucking bummer Yeah, Papa Christos a Greek place recently shut down another place. That's just been there forever the diner. What's it called the oh, yeah And in downtown that was owned by Mayor Reardon back in the day

Why can I not pull the name right now? Pantry pay the pantry. Yeah, it's just yeah, right now? I can't pull the name of it either. Pantry. Pantry, yeah. It's just, yeah, it's three and whatever, fine, but like it's- Pantry Cafe. Yeah, these are places that you kind of wish could still, could stick around forever because they feel like such institutions,

they feel like such a part of the city. And then just to know they're going to be bulldozed and they're going to put in like a five over one, like luxury condos with a street level sweet green and a Yoga Works you know it's just I'm with you on that because I'm not a person nothing old should ever go away right right right I am like I mean that's a Boston anything I mean so Boston I mean I mean like it is that sort of thing of like hey there's cool hundred years old building I mean like I guess at some

point some of that stuff structurally has to go away. Some of it. I'm with you too. Like, the Green Monster could tip over and kill 80 people and I'd still be like, but you can't close Fenway Park. They almost put Fenway in, Southie at one point. That was the talk at one point to build a stadium and a baseball park in Southie and it was like,

that would've sucked. And they were like, we gotta keep it though, still. Now they'll never, ever, ever get there. We're gonna put it in a big truck, we'll move it in Southie, and it was like, I wanna sell, and they were like, we gotta keep it though, still. Now they'll never, ever, ever get it. They're like, we're gonna put it in a big truck, we'll move it to Southie. Yes. But it does feel like lately, especially, so much stuff gets replaced with stuff

that is like objectively worse. Right, for sure. Yeah, where it's just like, oh, it's a, why do they have a seven story Chase Bank ATM? Like, how does that exist? And why do they, like, it was a historical monument, and then whatever, they bulled those down, and were like, oh, it's the fucking worst.

On our block, there's a, where, the block of the studio, there's an Oakberry, which we've been to, and was like, it sucks, it's bad, it's a bad acai bowl place, but it's like expanding wildly, and it's the sort of thing of just like, again, you see one of those things that's just, it's, they're apartments, but they're too expensive for people who need housing to actually afford

them. They're priced like, you know, over market rate. They're geared towards a luxury, you know, at a luxury price point for, there just aren't enough people to fill all these luxury apartments. But then at the street level, it's just like, you'd see a place like a fucking Oakberry. It's just like, no one even likes this place. Yeah level, it's just like, you'd see a place like in fucking Oakbury. It's just like, no one even likes this place. Yeah, and it's just what's there.

Yeah. But people are always there, it's like, because there's nothing else. Yeah. Go put away everything else. And not to be hypocrite, but I like the handles that they put in the bottom of one of those. I love the handles.

I mean, we like the handles. We can't complain about the handles. Speaking of the handles, Paul Pierce is a hall of fame. Yeah. Yeah. You ever have a handlesel's ice cream? No, I heard you talk about it. I don't think they're in New York, yeah.

I should go while I'm out here. That's what I'll do. A lot of fun. Wifeless. Also, the Vista Theater, which is a place that Quentin Tarantino saved, they're playing, uh, uh, it's playing pulp fiction and Reservoir Dogs double feature right now. That feels like insider trading to me.

If you want to go and check it out, it's a, it's a, it's a, that is, it's playing all his movies this month. But, uh, that, that I love that they saved that. Why is the Arclight we've talked about, which I think there's been some motion on saving it, but there's a lot of places I've gone down. I just want to say quickly. Yes. Bobby Byrnes, B-Y-R-N-E-S that's the first place Ed Wing's Neil Kiley shout out, thank you for that. Um, but, uh, Bobby Byrnes is the place. I bit into, uh, uh, Buffalo wing.

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Because this is the first later record we're doing. It's not after. It's still light out. I couldn't tell from here. I don't know. It's after after dark, it's still light out. I couldn't tell from here, I don't know. Well it's after dark because Mitch ordered a Little Caesar's Hot and Grunty Pizza. I thought it would be fun to theme. I think when we were recording later it should be Doughboy's After Dark.

Okay, sure. I did have that thought today when I was on our hike this morning. I was like, oh it's Doughboy's After Dark Day. Sometimes we generally would record in the middle of the day, but yeah, recording the late afternoon. Can there be like a cooler theme song? Not cool, there's nothing cooler than Cassie's theme song,

but like a little like, Riddididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididid Just you singing Careless Whispers? Maybe. I don't know. That would be a pretty good theme song. I would like that. You can clip that and use it. Make it sound better. I don't know. I think because this is going to be a thing we're going to be doing more often, we should not do a different theme song. I think it's going to disorient people.

But yes, we want to designate it to Doughboys After Dark. It is Doughboys After Dark. High five. Brrrr. Brrrr. Brrrr. Brrrr. Brrrr.

Brrrr. Brrrr. Brrrr. I like how you're making the sound of a trumpet, which is a saxophone in the song. And then you're pantomiming a guitar. A guitar. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha ha. All right. We'll cut that out. Ha ha ha ha. We are returning to Little Caesars for the second time this year because of the Fantastic Four meal. We covered Little Caesars in January with Jono Wilson, an episode we actually recorded last year, so it feels longer ago than it was.

But that was, I believe, maybe the first new Doughboys of this year. The Fantastic Four pizza felt like an occasion for a quick revisit, a quick little pop-up. Love Jono. That's funny. I knew that it was recent that we went here, but this is a brand new pizza. We gotta try it. It's a brand new pizza. We're moving closer to Doughboy's items too, by the way.

This is also an interesting bit of synergy because, you know, last week we were visiting Pizza Hut with Neil and Mitra. This week, rather, we're talking about Little Caesars. Next week, we're going to Papa John's, we can say. Holy shit. It's a one, two, three. And the Ann Pizza episode just came out on Patreon. That's true. It was like a pizza try.

It was a pizza fucking month. That's true. But in the main feed, it's three of the big four, three of the big four pizza chains. That's fucking wild. Just absent dominoes, which we love. Where do you stand on here? What was the Papa John's episode we just did

and I don't remember? It's coming out next week. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Oh. Right. Yeah. Oh, wait. So the whole thing I just said is an episode. It's the next episode.

No, that episode already came out. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah. Um, I almost wore a shirt. What is this face you're making? I almost wore a shirt that would have been weird. Is that a Doughboy's After Dark?

It's after dark. Bitch is like, I can't a shirt that would have been weird. Is that a Doughboy's After Dark? It's after dark. Bitch is like, I can't see you. It's after dark. I almost wore a shirt that would have made it weird with the next week's episode. We'll talk about it. Wait, tell me.

Oh, can I say it? You can just cut it out. But I had my, I brought my shirt. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I know. You just connected the dots for Midge's ass. But I heard last night through the grapevine that he's the best.

He's great. It was a fun episode. Fun episode out next week. So do we just, is every episode pizza and jell- oh no. No it's not, no. There's a new Twisted Metal trailer tomorrow, Wags. How exciting is that? You mean as of this record, it will look an out for-

It will be out now, so it's perfect. That new Twisted Metal trailer is out now. Yeah. Getting close to the release, Wags. All right, so we're very excited about that. Coming in July 31st, correct? That's correct, yeah. So- Plugging mid-show, sorry.

Let's go. We're talking Little Caesars. Where do you stay? You got the Big Four. You got the Mount Rushmore of American pizza chains. I know you got access to a lot of the best pizza in America in New York. But if you are going to a chain pizzeria,

Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa John's, Little Caesars, what's your pick? OK, so I live closest to a Domino's. And once a year, Maris, who's not a big pizza eater because the carbs in it are really weird for blood sugar, will be coming back from a party. And she'll be like, I'm a little hungry. And I'll be like, is it the Domino's night?

And she'll be like, yeah. And we'll order from the Domino's. And that's always such a treat. My good friend, Allison Lyby and I, we have gone to this Papa John's, because it is near a venue where we co-host a show. And we were walking out, and we saw Papa John's, which we call Take of the PJ.

And we were like, it was late at night, and we were both pretty drunk. And we were like, can we just get a slice? And the guy goes, I got a whole pizza bag here. I'll give it to you for like eight bucks. And we were like, okay, It was the middle of winter. And we were like, OK. And then we ate the whole pizza in a Papa John's.

It's just like storefront bulletproof glass, one metal stanchion. And we just like, people were coming in to like pick up pizzas to go just saw us being animals. They're just pick up their little kiosks now, basically. Delco is the portmanteau delivery and carry. Oh, interesting. We did Delco mount down.

We just fucking went ham in the Papa John's. And then I woke up the next morning and was like, I feel bad. And also, are they on the BDS boycott list? Oh, sure. Oh, sure, yeah. I mean, this is all that we work this. And the answer is yes.

Yeah, yeah. Everything is. Doughboys is doing a tour of every company that's on the BDS list. We're doing a Soda Stream episode. Yeah. It's BDS June here on the Doughboys podcast. Reverse boycott.

That's always the funniest to you when there's a legit, I mean, not like this situation, obviously, but when there's like a legitimate boycott of like, hey, we're not going to Target because they got rid of their DEI. And then like one guy is like, I'm going and I'm buying all their shirts that aren't gay. And you're like, what is this? Yeah, that's insane.

That'll show us. Yeah, OK. My question to you is, as a New Yorker, I feel like Griffin Newman is someone who gets Domino's quite a bit, right? Like, but is Domino's, I actually- I mean, Griffin Newman can't exactly be the arbiter of- Sure. What good food is.

I agree with that. But Griffin, you maybe know the answers, but is Domino's, like, I'm sure Domino's are also, like, very popular in New York City. Yeah. But I've just, I could never see myself eating as much Domino's. It would probably be my local pizza place that I would eat at more. And that's it too

Like there's a couple places in the neighborhood that I'll do a pie or slice There's place called Norm's not too far from me in Brooklyn that does like real great They have very few options, but they're all like classic good great pies like love that sausage or pepperoni great Can you give your top three pizza spots non chain in New York quickly? Sorry, you know, it's all just like someone Oh my friend Ashley Hamilton just did this as a, sorry to buzz mark it, subway takes, but a subway takes of like, it's just the good place that's closest to your apartment.

And that's kind of how I feel. But like the other one, the classic one is like, Joe's Pizza is right there, Comedy Cellar. Sure, yeah. And so that's- I've had that exact one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll go there every once in a while too. And that's kind of like the one I'll seek out.

Yeah. And I, but Norm's is great. There's like a new- My understanding of the way you eat Joe's is you take like one bite and then you throw it in the trash. With a paper plate. That is, that's a different place. I think that's Ben's.

But that is a traditional New York slice. You take one bite of the tip, you throw it away. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Louie. What you were gonna say, there's a new place? I think, yeah, there's a new, there's the, there was a Detroit style place that was open

for about four months in my neighborhood that closed because they were trafficking cocaine in the back of it. Oh my God. So I never got to try it. The pizza. Yeah. I also didn't try the cocaine.

There's now a Joe's out here and I get it. I'll sometimes get that, it's pretty good. But also if you want Domino's, you want Domino's. We talked about that. Yeah, just something. There's one in Harvard Square too now. Oh, shit, oh damn, all right, yeah, they're really, they're chaining out.

Yeah, and the Ottos all around there now too. It's so funny because, Ottos? Yeah. There's the Connecticut, what's it called? Sally's, Sally's a Pete's, they're like opening everywhere now too. It's like, a lot of these places that were classics are like trying to turn into national chains

or at least spreading their wings, I guess. That's why I wondered, did they partner with a franchising company with Fransmart or something like that? Fransmart is what took Halal guys from being a local New York thing to trying to make it nationwide. And it just way over expanded, way too quick. But yeah, there are these companies that exist now. It's like how, you know, it's called Fransmart?

Fransmart, yeah. They're a major franchising company. What they do is they look for local chains or local individual restaurants that are, you know, popular and are like, how can we scale this up rapidly and turn this into a national brand? How can we take a thing that people in one city love and turn it into a thing that everyone in America thinks sucks?

Yeah, it's exactly it. And it's a really, it's just a, it's one of those things where it's like a profitable business model, but it's just another of the things that's kind of just smoothing out anything interesting and eroding the overall quality. Frans Smart is what I think about our good friend Fran Gillespie.

Frans Smart. She'd love to hear that. She is? She'd clip this out and send it to her. Make her day. We love our Franny. We love our Franny. Fransmart.

It kind of bums me out to try some of these bigger, or like these fan favorites or local places or whatever, and then trying to turn them into chains. I know Pizzeria Regina did try that kind of, and then they slowed down. I like going to a place and being like, oh, this is a special thing that I can get when I'm here. Yes, yeah.

We were talking about Domino's in New York City. I feel like the time that I first noticed a chain scaling way up and then just getting their ass kicked was like when they started opening Krispy Kremes in Boston. And everyone was like, we will never go here. This is not Dunkies. It did not, it didn't fucking work. They beat it back like the Redcoats.

Yeah. It just didn't, it didn't, Dunk, we're just Dunkin' loyalists. There are, I mean, there are just certain territories that are very, you know, fond of their particular local donut shop. And the same happened with Shipley Donuts in Texas, when they tried to expand Krispy Kreme there, it was not super successful. It was a beat back the tide. And then I guess Little Caesars has always been kind of like a wild card to me.

I've never had that much access to it. And then what's the other one? Pizza Hut? I think Pizza Hut is like, eh. Pizza Hut, we had a bad experience last week. We think Pizza Hut has gone down the tubes. Nick and I have, I didn't have a lot of access to Little Caesars either. It's not a huge Massachusetts chain.

It's not. But we had the ads. Yes, 100%. That and Red Lobster and Sonic, the ads were there well beyond the representation of the restaurants. Can I guess that Route 1 probably had at least one of these at one point? I'm sure that they did.

The Sonic and Route 1, the ads had been going for so many years that when they opened the Sonic, it was like traffic for weeks. Yeah, onto a highway. Onto a highway! It was just like a whole lane, a two-lane highway. Wow. Two lanes in each direction, full way and just like, we gotta get hot dogs! Uh... But I'm sure that, I'm sure there was either a Little Caesar's So you need two lanes in each direction, full way, and just like, we got to get hot dogs.

But I'm sure there was either a Little Caesars near Rootwater or something at one point. But it's always on the outskirts. Red lobster, same thing, because you're in lobster country-wise. Why are you going to eat a red lobster? Sure. There is a couple of them in Massachusetts. I think there was at one point.

I'm not sure if there was any more. Nothing close to where I grew up. No, no, same. Yeah. So I didn't know Little Caesars that well, but anytime I had it, I liked it. And then I think Little Caesars does a damn good job. It's like a cheap price point, but I also think the taste is there. I like it. I love Little Caesars.

We used to sell the frozen Little Caesars pizzas as fundraisers in school. That was like my only understanding. Interesting. To me, Little Caesars was like a frozen thing that we would sell as fundraisers. And I loved the frozen pizzas, they were pretty good. But I guess the only way I remember that. I've never had a Little Caesars frozen pizza ever.

They were like little mini ones. Oh yeah. It was like just for school fundraiser kind of thing. Were they akin to the pizza puffs we got today? No, they were like a personal pizza. They were like a personal pizza, okay. Yeah, like it was like four little slices basically, yeah. A kin is the word of the day. We've each said it.

Did we? What context did you say, kin? Yeah, I said it twice. You said it once. I said it was akin to Jemmy's butthole, and then I said... Oh, right, okay. And then I said akin to something else at one point, and now you've said it. That's three in a row. So Mitch is up one.

Yeah, you gotta work it in somewhere. Um, uh, I... Look, I don't know if I'm excited for the new Fantastic Four movie. Sure. Are you excited for it? It seems like Superman, like it looks visually like both of them have a new gloss on them.

It looks like they are trying to do something visually interesting, which is nice, I guess. I will say this. I'm very burned out on the MCU, as I've been pretty burned out on the Jurassic World movies. So I'd say my enthusiasm, because it feels like it's trying something new for the new Fantastic Four movie, The First Steps, is akin to my enthusiasm for the recent Jurassic World rebirth.

It's all knotted up, baby. Arrr. Where, and so we'll see. I think just at least it feels like it feels like it has an aesthetic. You know, it has some of the Marvel quippiness that I'm not super fond of that's still present in the trailer. But like, it feels like it has an aesthetic. I like that it has a specific setting, you know?

I like that it's a period piece. I feel like it could be interesting. Sure, it might be interesting. Look, I'm more interested in seeing Superman and my boy Beck. We'll have seen Superman by the time this episode is out. I am enthused for Superman. I will say that I have, I've talked about it before on the podcast,

talking about last week's episode, but when I worked in the video game industry, I worked on two fantastic four video games. So I like, that's like, I'm not a big comics guy, but that's a franchise that I have a lot of knowledge I absorbed of, just by virtue of working on those games for several years. But I guess I'm just interested to see if they pull it off or not.

I don't know. It seems like a tough property to adapt. It also feels like they've done a couple, right, that haven't really hit. Yeah, this is, I think, the fourth attempt at a Fantastic Four thing. Because the Roger Corman one, they had the Tim Story. They made a couple movies with him.

And then they had the Josh Trank movie, which absolutely tanked. And then now they've got the, you know. Trank tanked? Trank tanked. And now they've got the new version. Damn. Where did you stand on the Fantastic Four?

Are you a comics guy? I'm not really a comics guy. And similar to you, I'm like a little burned out on the MCU of like, hey, here's three TV shows and three movies every year. I don't think that's like a super unique or interesting thing. No, not at all.

But I can be convinced if something's good. Like, if there's enthusiasm. Like, this is a few years ago now, but the first Black Panther movie, people were like, oh, this is kind of its own thing. And I was like, yeah, this was great. I had a great time. So I could be convinced if friends go to it

who are not superhero movie people and are into it, that will be the litmus test for me. But if someone who sees every superhero movie is like, this is in the top 10 of the last three years, I'm like, great, cool, yeah, I'll like turn it on when it's on max or whatever and fall asleep. Right, yeah.

I just, I want them to be a little bit horny. It seems like the Superman's kind of horny. I want the Marvels to be, gruntify them a little bit. They're sexless films. Yeah. Dude, remember we had Mitch's, Spoonman's horny seal of approval? Whatever happened to that?

I deleted it. We should turn that into a kinship shirt, by the way. Three. That's not the same. Yeah, that doesn't count. It doesn't count as an a-kin. I guess you did say a kinship shirt. A kinship shirt.

All right, Mitch is up three-two. We're going to next trainings tonight. I forget what the horse. The horny seal of approval. The reason it's a spirit is you stopped doing it. And now you don't even remember what it was. And you want to make a shirt out of it. I'm trying to think of the horny seal of approval so far of movies I've seen this year.

Are you surprised that Emma wasn't like, hey, Mitch, you didn't give a horny seal of approval this week? You didn't tell us some movie that made you horny this week. I think Trolls World Tour was on there. I think it was. I like that joke. I remember that. I think Trolls World Tour was on there.

Let's see here. The movie's up soon. You have a list? Well, I'm just going to see what I've seen recently. 28 years later, that's got a horny seal of approval. I'll tell you that much. Brokeback Mountain, horny seal of approval. Sure.

Jurassic World, no horny seal of approval. It's not particularly horny now. No. Yeah. And quick follow-up question on the horny seal of approval as a premise. Is it whether it's horny or not? They could have made Dolores a little sexy, if you ask me. Dolores is the little dinosaur.

Whether or not Mitch gets horny. OK. OK, great. Oh, yeah, sorry. It's whether I get horny watching it. So actually, that does open up a lot of things. Right. That's why Troy's running towards me.

I think it's important when a critic has their own personal taste in this, and just trying to create some kind of objective good or bad standard. It's when Mitch is watching a movie and he loses sight in one eye, gets my drift. It wasn't a blood thing. What? What?

What? What? It wasn't a blood thing. What is that? Is that a whatever? I know I shouldn't try to figure out what you were trying to say there. I like, the point is like, I agree with you

that MCU movies, they have like, these are, these characters feel like they're like Ken and Barbie dolls, right? Like they're like flat, like they have nothing from the waist down. There's no sexual tension or chemistry in any of these movies. It's just, it's like completely, it's like, like they have nothing for the waist down. There's no sexual tension or chemistry in any of these movies. It's just, it's like completely, it's like,

we've sanitized to the point where, where these are just creatures who do, like, they have perfect bodies, but they don't interact with, they don't, there's no like passion behind it. I gotta ask, well, you're saying that the blood goes out of my head, is that why, and that it's a one eye thing? It was a little- Or do I jack off like Popeye?

I don't understand what the, I don't understand what you're- I know it's a one eye of your dick. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, that's not what you meant. I thought that, like, it sounds like one of those things that people tell you, oh, you'll grow hair on your... Oh. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was thinking. Got it. Yeah.

Got it. That's good. So blind in one eye is you jack half the way up. It's edging. I saw edging. You'll go blind in one eye. Is Popeye blind in one eye, or does he just have one that's kind of closed? I think he's just kind of closed. I don. You'll go blind in one eye. Is Popeye blind in one eye, or does he just have one that's kind of closed? I think he's just kind of closed. I don't think he's blind in one eye.

He's always flirting. Now I do want to know if Popeye has trouble with his one eye. We'll find this out right now. But we do need to find out about the pizza, which by the way, from what I understand, to bring down an to... Incredible segue. We'll find out what's the deal with Popeye's right now, but we do have to find out about the pizza. We do gotta say what we think about this four quadrant pizza,

which from my understanding, the sausage is the thing, the pepperoni is the stretch guy, the pepperoni with jalapenos is flame on, man. And the cheese pizza is invisible woman. That's like the best I can guess for the four quadrants. Is invisible woman the most basic word? I guess she turns invisible. That's like no toppings you can see basically.

Yeah, invisible toppings. It takes you to invisible toppings. They should have glass shards. I guess the thing that I like where you're like. Emma, thank you. I like, no, I like where your brain is going with this like some sort of like candyed glass or something like a like an onion cooked at like a caramelized onion that's a little And it's like, this is for women only making $75,000. Very political pizza. They did, so they did one of these fantastic four menus previously at, I believe it was Denny's.

And Denny's had the fun thing with the Invisible Woman of it was invisible syrup on pancakes. Oh, that's fun. Which did kind of look like you were pouring ejaculate over your pancakes, but it was like, at least like the effort of like, hey, it's a clear syrup that tastes like maple syrup. There was something to it.

But it's a- You know, some of that ejaculate stuff. I think it's fun. Yeah, why not? Why not? This syrup's like dog gum. I would say it's akin to dog gum. Gondolmen's in the game!

Anyway, this Fantastic Four tie-in is akin to the How to Train Your Dragon Burger King menu from a few months ago. And this is a thing that we see more and more, which is it's an it's we're going to be to a topical tie-in menu, but we're not actually going to go all the way. We're going to use existing inventory to cobble together something we can justify as tied to the IP. And that's what was happening here because this is all shit they already have.

They already have a cheese pizza, pepperoni pizza, Italian sausage and bacon pizza, and a pepperoni and jalapeno pizza. These are all existing toppings. These are existing combinations that they have just like, you know, crowbarred into, we're gonna have all four of these in one. All that said, I do think it's pretty fun

to have a four way split pizza. So I do give them points for that. I agree. I think it's like a fun format for pizza. Yeah. Anything on Popeye's eye? I do, look, this just shows you why. So we've talked about how the AI Google write up is wrong.

So in the case of the cartoon character Popeye, his distinctive popped or bulging eye is a defining feature, not a condition he suffered from. It's a part of his character design, blah, blah, blah, blah. In real life, like, and it's his fighting prowess, in real life, a popped or bulging eye can be a symptom of an eye condition called Popeye,

which is usually called by trauma or infection. Oh, it's an eye infection. Yeah, it's a kintuid infection. That's why he's eating all this. But then... Four-three-middle. So here, but here's on the comic book Reddit. Yeah.

We know our favorite sailor was abandoned as an infant by his father, the reprehensible poop deck pappy, which I did not know. And a mother is never mentioned. Who knows if they were... Sounds almost racist. Possibly is. But since as an adult, the noble sailor lost his right eye never mentioned. Who knows? Sounds almost racist. I mean, it possibly is.

But since as an adult, the noble sailor lost his right eye in a horrible event he hesitates to inform us about. Wow. Popeye's like the silent generation. Yeah. Then largely he wasn't always called Popeye. So what name did he use? He's a pretty fucked up name to call a guy. I mean, this is...

You just named him after his disability then. Yeah, so it's just an empty socket? Captain Hook rules. And then there's people, then this guy says, wait, Popeye seriously has one eye? I always just thought it was a squint. Yeah. Wow, is this you?

And then, and then the original poster says, Popeye also has no teeth. Popeye is toothless. He's toothless? Yeah, Popeye is fucking scary sounding. Yeah. He's got no eye and no teeth. Pup eye is toothless. He's toothless? Yeah. Pup eye is fucking scary sounding. Yeah. He's got no eye and no teeth. Great diet.

He does have a good, he does. That would explain why he eats spinach. Yeah. Ah, for the one good eye. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so background on the, with the comic book, from this comic book Reddit,

is that he has lost an eye and he has no teeth. I wonder if that's truly canon or if this is just speculative. Yeah. And underneath Mitch, when I met Santa, he didn't even have a beard. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Little Caesar's springing phantom.

No teeth. No teeth, lucky olive oil. All cookies never stops to brush. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. He got discussed. Wait, what did you brush. I know. He got disgusted. Wait, what did you say? I missed it.

I'm so sorry. I said, no teeth, lucky olive oil. And he got disgusted with me. No, I love this. Let's explore. You know that common thing of toothy, gurgling gills? God, man. Your teeth are such an obstacle to eating my pussy.

Don't worry, olive oil. You got him removed? I lost him in a fight. Now you'll never say, hey, Popeye, stop it. You're biting my clitoris. I think it'd be more like lucky, olive oil of Popeye. Or no, sorry, lucky Popeye of olive oil. Olive oil has no teeth. Well, we don't know about olive. I think it'd be more like Lucky Pop. I have olive oil.

Olive oil has no teeth. Well, we don't know about olive oil. We have no idea if olive oil has no teeth or not. The science just isn't there. Little Caesar's is bringing fantastic variety to the table this summer with the launch of the new Fantastic Four-in-One Pizza, heroic creation inspired by Marvel Studios' The Fantastic Four First Steps. The Fantastic Four-in-One Pizza delivers four bold flavor

combinations and one large pie. In addition to the limited time Fantastic Four-in-One Pizza, Marvel joined forces with Little Caesar's to design its first ever exclusive pizza boxes for the campaign. When all four collectible boxes are put together, they reveal a hidden image connecting all four characters. Now, we got two of these bad boys

so that we can all have a slice. You're pissed. Because there's only two slices of each. We got two Mr. Fantastic boxes. You were pissed. The whole point of the thing is you get four different boxes. You get one of each, and then you can put them together. And if you put them in a grid, you make a four symbol.

Actually, you put all four together, full penetration. It's the horniest thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They start animating. They come to life. You kind of Jumanji's. Actually, wait, I did find a GIF of it. Actually, can I look at this? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Well, your rocky facial features are a little bit of an obstacle. What was really getting in the way of pleasure was Ben Grimm's thing teeth.

The thing is the teeth are also boulders. Yeah, how much of his, like his tongue and his, I'm sure that there is, I'm guessing that there probably is Lorax, right? You might have to look at the comic book, read it again. I think he has, I think it's just his skin that's been transmuted into rock material, though I believe his internal anatomy is similar.

Though the thing is he has super strength, so maybe his muscle tissue is emboldened as well. I don't know. Anyway, emboldened emboldened is better. Thank you. The this is why we have a room. Here's what I'll say. I thought all these slices were good. I mean, it's straightforward. It's a hot and ready pizza. And it's just it's Little Caesars as we know it. And it's just with but I think it's for topping combos are topping, you know, versions that that ultimately are,

yeah, it's straightforward and work. Wait, the pizzas were also, not to put anyone on blast, sliced weird. They were weirdly sliced, and also they weren't particularly well-portioned. So it's like, there was one pizza that had one pure cheese slice, and the other slice was like half cheese, half sausage.

And then the other one was three straight cheese slices. Yes, yeah. Yeah, which was like, this is, you know, the people making the high-end ready pizzas, they got a lot of work to do, but this was the premise that was promised, was quadrants. Yes, we want to make sure that in each of, for each of these different, you know, topping combinations, we are getting one quarter portion.

Mm-hmm. So that you can grab these individual slices and be like, that's mine! Ha ha ha ha! But if you were one family of four, and you're like, we each want to try one, you would be robbed of that with one of these pies. Yeah, a lot of siblings would be beating the shit

out of each other if we got the family of four. A family of four, though, you're going to get the two pizzas anyway. You'll probably get the two pizzas. And get some leftovers. I got an answer. Yeah. Once again, Google AI says, no, Ben Grimm, also known as the thing, does not have a rock tongue. While his entire body is covered in rock or orange hide, he retains his normal internal organs, including his tongue.

Fantastic Four subreddit though, disagree. It's split here. Okay. There's a drawing from a comic book that shows him with a rock tongue. So there is a rock tongue there. Olive Oil is furious. Yeah, she's not going to like that. And also, what the hell is she doing to Popeye? She's cheating on Popeye.

Yeah. Ben Grimm from the Vandess. They went to some camp together. Reconnected as adults. She does have a girlfriend. I can't remember her name. But I think she's blind. And so she doesn't like the rock features.

Don't bother her. She's been checking on the lot the rock features don't bother her. She's been checking off a lot. Here's a question for her. This is from someone in the Reddit. So credit to them. They've deleted their account, which makes sense. The real question is, the real question,

is it flaccid or erect? And does it shoot pebble or sand? Which is a good question. This feels like we could sell this like as like a scene in and of itself for like Mallrats 2. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Just like Jason Lee. Has there been a Mallrats 2 yet or no? No, I don't think there's been one. Okay. I'm just asking when he busts, is it sand or pebbles?

Ha ha ha. The Askew and New, the, what is it? Askewquiniverse? Esquiniverse needs to, we've got to see them all rats too. But anyways, it's inconclusive on Ben Grimm. Well, whatever the lore. We're out of time. I think the pizzas were, I mean, I like the pizzas.

I mean, what am I saying here? It was Little Caesar's pizza, these are classic combos, I think they all work. I did like the pepperoni jalapeno quite a bit, because I'm a bit of a heat seeker. I think I think they all work. I did like the pepperoni jalapeno quite a bit, because I'm a bit of a heat seeker. I think if any of them work, I feel like the Italian sausage and bacon, it's supposed to be, did not even have any bacon.

Am I wrong about that? I think there's a little on one of the slices. I noticed something I was putting on. It's pretty paltry. There's not a lot of bacon. It's the invisible bacon. Wow. That's the way to do it.

Thank you, Nui. It did suck. But thank you. I like it. Thank you for taking that dog shit journey with me. I love the idea of calling it an invisible ingredient. It just means that you don't get it. They're like, this is the invisible pepperoni pizza,

and it's just a cheese pizza. That I could track a little bit. That's funny. That is funny. I don't think this is really a bit full pizza, but I do like a promotion that's just like, ah, you suck, you loser. But it should be something like,

if we're actually talking about honoring the, you know, the, cause this is part of when we're evaluating these things is how well does it like actually live up to its premise? You know? I think it should have just been the sausage. That would have been fine. I think they, well, I would just say in general,

I think the four way split is great for the Fantastic Four. I agree. I think that the well, I would just say in general, I think the four way split is great for the Fantastic Four. I agree. I think that the pepperoni and jalapeno works as a Johnny Storm one because, you know, like, you know, again, I say this as something of a heat seeker, it is like a spicy pizza for the fire guy. Like for the human torch, I get that. But to also have pepperoni,

which is just pepperoni minus jalapeno, it's like, you just put that on because that's a crowd pleaser. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you just, like, you just put that on because that's a crowd pleaser. Right. You know what I mean? But what does that say about any of the characters? That's Mr. Fantastic. That's the stretch version.

That's Mr. Fantastic? What are you talking? I don't see the connection at all. Or is it cheese? Is that? I don't know. I think it should have been like a, maybe a, maybe if they did one quadrant that was like sticks.

Like, I could be like, okay, maybe I'm kind of getting that, like a stringy breadstick is kind of like Mr. Fantastic a little bit, I don't know. Or like a four cheese that you get a little pull on with the cheese. That would be fun, yeah, like a super cheesy thing. Yeah. And then it feels like no effort for the invisible woman. I know, cause Johnny Storm and the invisible woman,

a brother and sister. They are. So now I feel like the pepperoni is the invisible woman. So is it pepperoni and the jalapenos are invisible? Oh. I can kind of track that. OK. No, I just think that it's a bit.

That's wild what they're doing on those four boxes. Ha ha ha ha. I. Ha ha ha ha. That's what people want to see these days. It's true. It's too much. I just think.

It's just too much for Jemmy Lapp. Straight to the camera. The porn in this country. Yeah. I'm thinking like, the base, the brother and sister DNA is pepperoni pizza, and then he has hot. OK. He's the storm.

And then I'm like, the stretch one is cheese. I don't know, but I feel like that's maybe what it is. Or it's just that you get to choose four different toppings for four cauldrons of the pizza, and it's just like whatever you want. You can put four wants and you assemble your own fantastic. I think we're doing more work here than maybe they did. But I think that it's supposed to represent

the different things, right? Like, I feel like, I don't know. I'm opening our buddy, friend of the show, past guest, Matt Singers. You know, I am eating everything on the Fantastic Four menu. I'm opening this up to see if I can get any sort of context on the Fantastic Four pizza and over at ScreenCrush

to see which is which. But yes, it is reminding me as well, because the other thing that comes up on ScreenCrush is the Slamtastic Four for the Fantastic Four, which was Denny's one, which was such a more cohesive effort. They had the Invisible Woman Slam, which I mentioned, which has the invisible syrup, the Thing Burger, which looked like the fucking thing because of the bun,

the human torch skillet. They really, really went for it. And they also had the Fantastic Four cheese omelet. Exactly that. Super stretchy cheese. I thought when you said Slamtastic Four, it was the rap group Onyx. I was thinking they would talk slam.

Slam! Featuring biohazard. That's the judgment night. If they did, if they, man. But that was. If Onyx did like a remix of Slam for Fantastic Four, I would be so happy. Yeah, that would be really fun.

But just contrast, like, and I overall like this pizza. But just contrast what we're getting for the Fantastic Four movie in 2025, which is like a movie with the studio more behind it. Whereas like 2015, they were like, ah, this thing's kind of a boondoggle. The director's disowning it on social media. The movie tanks.

But back then, they put some fucking, they put some fucking effort. I still think about that movie sometimes. It lives up here in the Trank Bank. Yeah. Yeah. They put some effort into the cross promotion with the chain restaurant.

Like the Denny's menu is like, we're actually gonna do something. And here it's like, it's one pizza and we're just gonna shuffle some stuff we already have around. It's just like, we used to build things in this country. Don't you have that feeling? Grogs, I agree.

I'm with you. I think it feels a little more, it tracks a little better than some of the stuff you've covered recently. That's true. When we're listening, it doesn't even make sense. They're just like, eat it, it's sloppy. Exactly, right.

But this, it does all have the feeling of like, when AI does something and they're like, it's just good enough, you have to take it because there's nothing else. Right. You're just saying that as like, oh, man, this does seem like pushed into an AI machine. And I'm like, it maybe very well could have been. Make us a pizza.

Yeah, make us a, what's a fantastic four pizza? I feel like this feels like the answer an AI would do. But that being said, the four quadrants is kind of fun-wise. I think that they should have done more with it. And the pizza tasted good. So I'm-wise. I think that they just should have done more with it. And the pizza tasted good, so I'm like, then where does that leave me? I don't know.

I kind of enjoyed my experience. I'm looking at, just again, at Matt Singer's review, and he also is struggling in terms of how to map each. Because it's not clarified in any of the press materials which slice corresponds to which member of the Fantastic Four. I think the fact that there's four different flavors is supposed to be the whole gimmick. And that's kind of a bummer.

It is kind of a bummer. It would be, I'd just be having more fun with it. Even though I'm enjoying the pizza that I'm eating, I'd be having more fun with it if I knew which one I was eating. You looked like Galactus in there sucking it all down. I sure did. That's the guy, he's the bad guy in the movie, I think.

Eater of worlds. Eater of worlds, yeah the movie, I think. Eater of worlds. Eater of worlds. Eater of, yeah. Eater of pizza. Eater of pies. You're eating the whole world. There's some pizzas going down. I don't know what's that.

We also had the Little Caesars Puffs, which was a thing that we've had recently. Is that what they're called, the puffs? I don't have it in my notes. The crazy puffs. Crazy puffs. There's one pepperoni, one cheese. This is not connected to the Fantastic Four IP.

This was just another add-on you wanted to have in there. I thought those, I thought those guys. I mean, you had one too. I ate them, but I didn't order them, but I did eat them. I thought they came with some dipping sauce and they don't by default, which I think is really weird. They really could have used some marinara. Yeah, they're kind of akin to a hot cupcake.

I forgot about this. Fuck. Five, three, Mitch. I forgot about this. Fuck. Five free? I mean, I don't even know. I've got one. Wags, are you going to do a little puff piece on the puff pieces here, or no?

What do you think of the puff pieces? I think they're good, but unnecessary. Like, I'd rather just have another slice of pizza, wouldn't you? Yeah. I think we were nice to them when we had them with Jono, and I am kind of like, they're fun, but I don't think they're as good as the pizza, and they are salty, but I don't know.

I think those are fun for kids, I don't know. I guess, but I don't know, I feel like even as a kid, I'd rather just have another slice of pizza. You're pissed off today. It's all crust, so I feel like kids don't love crust. No, it's akin to the garlic bread that you're getting with your pizza. It's just like, I I feel like kids don't love crust. No. It's akin to the garlic bread, like you're getting with your pizzas. It's like, I'd rather just have more pizza.

I don't need the garlic bread. What is this for? Harris always had that funny thing about the Little Caesar. He had that tweet about the Little Caesar's guy having hair. He's like, why does the Little Caesar guy need to have hair?

And it was a great point. I don't know why the Little Caesar guy has hair. But we love the Little Caesar guy, hair, but. It's fun. But we love the Little Caesar guy. And we like Little Caesar. Yeah, I agree. And I just think, I didn't know that you were as cranky about this, not that you're cranky.

I'm not even cranky about it. Okay, all right. I liked the pizza. I just wish in general with these things, I felt the same way about the How to Train Your Dragon menu, which I enjoyed. Just like put a little effort into it. And at a certain point, it's just,

we're seeing so many of these now. We're not covering on the podcast because there's nothing to cover. But one that came out this year that is the most half-assed one I've seen yet is the Happy Gilmore Two meal at Subway. Wait, what's that? It's nothing.

It's just their normal meal, but it's called the Happy Gilmore Two meal and you get like the cheapest, shittiest plastic cup that you'd probably just throw right in the garbage that has a Happy Gilmore Two like character on it like the cheapest, shittiest plastic cup that you'd probably just throw right in the garbage that has a Happy Gilmore 2 like character on it. Oh, that's such a bummer. It's such like, there's so much more fun you could have with that if you want to do something with it.

But they're not, I yearn for the days of the IHOP, you know, Horton, Here's a Who menu where you just like, they went all out and they had a pancake with purple and turquoise syrup with a little like lollipop sticking out the top of it. It was nonsense, but like they put some effort into it. And now we're just reskinning existing items. It sucks so bad that this is what we're nostalgic for. No.

Like things are such a dog shit. Yeah. God, remember like imagine talking to kids. We don't have kids, but our grandkids would be like, we used to have purple syrup. And now it's just a happy Gilmore II cup. And they're like, can you do euthanasia against someone's will, or is there

a different word for that? I feel like, we've said this before, but we are at the point where we're rooting for like local chains, you know what I mean? That's where we are in the state of the world right now. And, you know, it's bad, Wags, but you know, what can we do? What did you think of the crazy buffs?

I thought they were fine. I don't think there was anything texturally or flavorful enough to like make me want to order them. You know what it would be, honestly, is, like, if I... I can't imagine a situation where I'd be ordering from Little Caesars but was like, I don't want pizza tonight. You know what I mean? It feels like something you would get as, like, oh, I just need this much.

But that's not why you go to Little Caesars You go there for the pizza. No one's like along for the ride in that way, you know, it was fine It just felt yeah, it felt If I could turn back time share If I could find a way That was akin to If you could find a way, I would need another slice of pizza. Also share. Also share. That was akin to another share.

I know, I fucked it up. That's just the same. It is another share. I deduct myself a point. 5-3, Mitch. No, I think he's 5-4. I think you're 5-4 now. 5-4?

Sorry, thank you. He did one there when he was on his angry rant there. You sounded like Andy Kindler. That, come on. I give it to him. All right. Give it for Kindler. We love Andy Kindler. He's great.

Great guy. And a third usage of a kin. We talked about it. We maybe should have said this on the podcast before, but this was like one of our last live shows we did before the pandemic shut everything down in Vancouver. We're up there doing Doughboys Live. And it was one of those things where

we were getting a ride to the airport. And Kindler was also going to the airport and was like, hey, we want to share a car. We're like, OK, yeah, sure, great. And he was just in there. And he was just like both being so funny and also roasting us the whole time. That's the Doughboys.

I want to do your show. What the fuck is your show? And we were like, we review fast food. He's like, what the fuck? And he was like, and you were at the comedy festival? Stuff like that. We were like, yeah, we're bad. I love that guy. I don't think, he's so funny. I don't think I've told this story before,

publicly, but I do, wait, wait, don't tell me a lot, I get to work with Paula Poundstone, who's so funny wait, wait, don't tell me a lot. I get to work with Paula Poundstone, who's so funny, and one, we were doing a road show in Kansas City, and she was trying to get out of town, or get to the airport a little earlier than me, and I was like, do you wanna come?

I'm getting a car at 4.30, and she's getting hers at four, and she was like, no, I wanna get the extra cushion. So I come out, and her car hadn't showed up, it's early in the morning outside the hotel, and I go, Paula, do you wanna come with me if your car isn't showing up? She's like early in the morning outside the hotel. And I go, Paula, do you want to come with me if your car isn't showing up? She goes, yeah, bird in the hand. So we get in the car, we have a nice ride together.

But before she gets in, the lift driver that I called in advance goes, she starts to put her stuff in the back. And he goes, do you know her? There was just like a lady standing there that was like getting into the car. He was like, she's been standing there for kind of a while. And that was like getting into the car. It was like, she's been standing there for kind of a while.

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Do it. I'm here too. We should get to our final thoughts on Little Caesar's Fantastic Formula and Little Caesar's At Large. Josh Godelman, you've done the show before, you know how this works. We'll each go around, give our closing arguments,

if you will, and give it a score from zero to five forks. You're a guest seated to my left. We'll begin with you. Your thoughts, your fork score. Um, I, thank you. I thought it was a delightful pizza. I liked the four quadrants. It is a fun, unusual thing.

I don't think there were any flavors or topping combinations that were duds. Could've used a little more bacon on the bacon. Could've used a little more even cut. But I think overall, solid. I wasn't dazzled, but I was delighted. Like, I love to eat pizza. Little Caesar's makes good pizza, like a good chain pizza.

And this was a fun variety, you know, a fun form to consume in it. I think I'm going to give it, I think I'm going to go 3.5. More feels like it would have had to go a little bit above and beyond. Less feels like it's unfair because it was a little bit above and beyond. Right. Less feels like it's unfair because it was good pizza. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Wow, there you go.

Little Caesar's to me is in the golden play club, even close maybe to the platinum play club. We like Little Caesar's a lot. Yeah, pizza to the people. But if I'm ranking this item itself. Yes, that's what, yes. Three, so I don't think it's, I mean, I still very much enjoyed the pizza.

I wish that there was a little bit more theming there. It's sad to be rooting for old school capitalism. We like, we root for this, like, when there was a Fraggle Rock racer at McDonald's. Like that's what we find. High menu used to mean something. I mean, it's the truth. It is, that's the truth.

They used to, they did I mean, it's the truth. It is. That's the truth. They used to, they did try harder back in the day. It seems like they spent a little bit more time or money on things like this. And like you said, Wags, this is something, I guess you could maybe get something like this normally. Maybe they don't let you break it down into fours, but that you could do a half and half or whatever.

We could have moneyballed it, created this in the aggregate over two pizzas. Yeah. It just feels like... It's... I thought it was both fun for what little we're given now, and also I wish it was a little bit more, but I liked the taste, the crazy puffs taste. What did you think of the crazy puffs? I had one pepperoni one while we were setting up,

and I enjoyed it. I didn't try a cheese one. I forgot to eat one. Fired. I mean, one leaving the notes was one thing. They're cold now on the counter. I could still go try one. No, you don't. You do not have to. In fact, don't do that. You know what? Olive oil would never want to date me. I'm happy that I have teeth because I get to chomp on this delicious Little Caesar's pizza wags, and I thought it was pretty damn good. Please eat me out, Bluto.

Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Be careful, for God's sake. All right, you think I look like Bluto? Ha ha ha ha. Be careful, for God's sake. All right, you think I look like Pluto? Uh, I, uh, I, I, I mean, like, I almost want to give it four forks, because I still just think the pizza's good.

You know what I'm saying? But I do think it is slightly lazy. But also, again, it's better than the Happy Gilmore meal. It's better than some other stuff we've had. You know what I mean? Ugh, just the item, I'll give 3.75 forks to. Wow. I like Little Caesar's a lot.

Pizza the people, pizza the working class. I like that it's affordable. I like that it's accessible. I like that the hot and ready is a decent price point. I think the pizza is just flat out better than Papa John's or Pizza Hut. I just prefer it to those two. I'd rather have Domino's in general.

I'd rather have Costco in general. But you know, a little Cedar storefront is a thing that I'll go to for funsies, cause why not? And again, it's just like, there's so few places where you can get a meal without spending an arm and a leg these days. I still feel like you kind of can feed yourself slash feed your family slash have an

affordable workday lunch at an LC's. All that said, we were talking about the fantastic four and one pizza, which again, I like the pizza and I like that it's four different varietals on one pie. I think that is fun. But just again, this is like the least amount of effort you can put into one of these things and still have it be a tie-in, right? It's just... It is one notch above cutting it into four slices instead of eight. Exactly. Exactly.

It's one notch above that. And so what we're dealing with, like, it's... It actually maybe would be more fun. Four big slices. I'd be into that. Caps into your core memory. I mean, honestly, if the thing sliced just wasn't sliced, it was the sausage and bacon, it was just one big slice.

I think that would be fucking fun. But it's just, again, we're just reskinning existing inventory, which I know something already said. But it's... But it's... What we're dealing with is what the fantastic four-in-one pizza with is what the Fantastic Four-in-One pizza is and what the modern version of the branded tie-in

menu is. It's akin to putting a red cape on a G.I. Joe and calling it Superman. Wow. It's akin to putting a Star Wars sticker on a white T-shirt and calling it a Star Wars shirt. It's akin to putting signage that says, you know, Batman the Ride on Splash Mountain

and calling it a new ride and claiming that it's got some sort of Batman thing. He's on fire. He's like the Human Torch. It's akin to putting cat ears on Jemmy and calling her a cat. It's just, it's like such. Huh?

It still counts. I like it. I liked it. That was pretty straightforward. I like it. No, I liked it. That was pretty straight forward. That was straight forward. I just was picturing it and I got confused. A dog. Just say a dog. Don't think about Jamie's specifics. Alright, alright.

It's got the ears. It's akin to me... Oh, fuck. It's akin to having a picture of hot grunty without any lotion. Mitch, well said. Thank you. I don't agree with that. It's akin to having a picture of...

I don't think that was so sad. No, Mitch is right. It's akin to having a picture of hot grunty with no lotion to jack off with. And for that reason, I can't give this quite four forks, as fitting as it would be to give the Fantastic Four-in-One pizza four forks. I think it does fall just short. And so for that reason, I'm going to reluctantly give it three forks, three times. And that's akin to a good review, Wags.

Wow. There you go. I lost track. It was like watching the NBA finals. I was like, I just want to see a good game now. I'd say let's call it a draw. No, akin akin akin akin akin akin akin akin akin akin. I win. All right, Mitch wins. Hey, I've't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I win. Alright Mitch wins. Hey I've got a food stuff we're gonna save you just put in your mouth it's

snack or whack. And we've got some- I would rip every one of my teeth out for hot gronti. One by one I would rip every tooth out for hot gronti. Why did you do that? You don't like me? No I'm gonna date Marshmallow. You don't like me? No, I'm gonna date Marshmello. We have some two newish Oreo varietals. Jemmy, you're gonna want to steer clear of these. You're not going to like these. One of them is going to be actively toxic to you.

We have the blueberry pie sandwich cookies and the chocolate covered pretzel sandwich cookies. Wow, two big ones. A lot of fun. Josh, what are your general Oreo thoughts? I like an Oreo. Yeah, me too. I'm gonna hand these to you. Thank, what are your general Oreo thoughts? I like an Oreo. Yeah, me too.

I'm going to hand these to you. Thank you. So, for you, you can start with their, and Mitch, you can start with the blueberry pie. What are you more excited about here? I'm more excited. I feel my hunch is chocolate covered pretzel is easier to execute in a cookie form.

Yeah, yeah, a little chocolate and saltiness. Yeah. I feel like you can do that mass produced where like blueberry sometimes is like, doesn't quite hit the mark. I'm gonna take two of each. Oh, that's smart. Why fuck around?

I think you're probably right. I think I'm more excited about the chocolate pretzels. Wanna make sure these aren't from Wonka. Oh. Oh. You know what he does with all the blueberry bullshit he pulls? I'm kicking the chocolate covered pretzel over to you.

When I met Santa, he told me Waka was a real asshole. I gotta tell ya. I mean. What are we starting with, blueberry pie? I gotta tell ya, I took a bite of the blueberry pie one. All right, let me do it. Wow. Blueberry pie one's pretty fucking good. Weirdly. I'm impressed.

It's less science-y than I would have thought. It's way less science-y than you think. That's what I was worried about. Look, there's a little bit of science in there. But also, it's like a familiar science. Like, the blueberry is like a familiar science blueberry. It's like the blueberry you had in drinks or whatever growing up.

You're just happy that it's not so much science that could be a vaccine. Ha ha ha ha ha. Jimmy is staring me down. I talked to a virologist. I'm believing the science now. I've turned. Deas, I think you should try the blueberry ones first.

I like the blueberry ones. I think I like the blueberry one too. I'm shocked. I'm having the chocolate covered pretzel right now. I just tried some cream. I didn't get very much salt from the chocolate covered pretzel, which I kind of was looking forward to. I want to be a lot more salt forward.

Because the salty sweet is like the appeal to me on paper. Exactly what I was hoping for. And I felt like this really turned my expectations on their head. Is that the golden Oreo cookie on the blueberry one? Mm-hmm, I don't know. I think maybe on both of them. Yeah, maybe on both. Well, it's supposed to be a pretzel cookie, I think, on...

Oh. It's a pretzel-flavored cookie, but what it needs is like visible salt granules. Yeah. I'm talking about the blueberry one. No, the blueberry one is a gram-flavored cookie. So it's a gram-flavored cookie with blueberry with blueberry flavored cream and then a pretzel flavored cookie. It says topped with salt, although I don't see much salt here,

and chocolate flavored cream. I would say the chocolate covered pretzel was almost akin to an E.L. Fudge cookie. Mmm. Yes. Thank you. Emma, thank you. Emma, thank you. Somebody appreciates me on this goddamn panel. I'm just turning on everyone.

You know, EL Fudge stands for everybody loves fudge. I didn't know that. Isn't that fun? Yeah, I guess so. They should have called that Joe EL Raymond. This is what a guy there is, murder mysteries. This is... The pretzel one is more sciy than the blueberry one, weirdly.

Yeah, I agree. More people, roughly twice as many people, love fudge than Cool James. This feels like a... It feels like a much easier lift to make the chocolate covered pretzel work. And I think they maybe just fucked it up by being like, well, we don't want to be too salt. It feels like a much easier lift to make the chocolate covered pretzel work. And I think they maybe just fucked it up by being like, well, we don't want it to be too salty because kids aren't gonna like that much salt. But like, no, that's what we want.

We want the salty sweet combo. I agree. It's a bummer. That one's a let down. The weary pie is a triumph. Yeah. I did not think I would enjoy it as much as I did. And it also feels, it's different enough.

Like it's Oreo, classic Oreo shape, or the Oreo crunch, and the consistency of the cream. Do I have it on my tooth? No. Yes, you do. Oh no. Olive oil's gonna be pissed. Yeah, cause you were eating out of Navi.

Wait, is it blue? Yeah, it's blue. Oh, it's the blue one. Super blue. Oh no. At least it looks blue to me. This is like when you had your blue tongue and we couldn't figure out why. It was vitamins we found out. It was your vitamins. That scared the shit out of me.

You thought you blacked out Nate Smurf ass. It's a pet peeve for me, Josh. I'm just like, ah, it looks like an IV fucking jizzed inside my car. I'm like, oh, it's a pet peeve for me, Josh, of just like, oh, it looks like an IV fucking jizzed inside my cookie. It's like, because you know jizz is the same color as skin. You know that math. I'm trying to want more of these pretzel ones. I think they're maybe bad.

Not bad. They're not good. It really does taste so much like those fudge cookies that you're talking about. Like, it doesn't even taste like an Oreo. But not quite as good. And the blueberry pie one doesn even taste like an Oreo. Yeah.

And the blueberry pie one doesn't taste like an Oreo, but it's like recognizably Oreo in construction enough that it's like, oh, if I don't want an Oreo, this is like a different thing that satisfies the same textural satisfaction. I feel about these the opposite of what I would have guessed. Yes, you do. Same, I'm 100%. I thought I would have loved this pretzel one and then I would hate the blueberry and it's kind of the opposite.

I don't hate the pretzel pie. What an inversion of expectation, subversion of expectation. I don't know if the pretzel's bad, I still can't tell if it's bad. I don't like it. I'm gonna give it a whack. I will give a whack to the chocolate covered pretzel,

does not deliver on what it promises, and a hard snack to the blueberry pie. Snark, snark. Ha ha ha ha ha. A snark to, Jesus. Is that like a New England snack? Snark, snark, snark, blblbl, snack to blueberry pie or hard snack,

I would agree with you, Wags. Yeah. And then soft whack to. Come bite in one eye. Soft whack. You won Banjo-Kazooie, you didn't get the game over. Soft whack to the pretzel Oreos. Soft whack, I think they're almost good. You're trying to lose at Banjo-Kazooie so you can jack off.

But you win. But you're too good. Fuck! God damn it. These magic hands! They're only good for one thing, and it's Banjo Kazooie. I'm going to say soft, soft whack. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Because they're also not quite as good as an Yale fudge cookie, which I like as a cookie very much.

And it doesn't deliver on chocolate covered pretzel. It's not chocolate covered, first of all. I think that these Yale fudge cookies blow these out of the water. For sure. For personally. I First of all. I think that these are EL fudge cookies blow these out of the water. For sure. For personally. I didn't want people to think that I was saying whack,

EL fudge cookies are whack. No. These are good. Do you know what the issue is that they were trying to, the wafers are supposed to be pretzel wafers, and they just didn't go hard enough on it. Yes, they didn't. No, I totally agree.

Which is also not what chocolate covered means. Chocolate covered doesn't mean chocolate on the inside. I agree. Wow, that's a great point. And also, here's a- Thank you, Dan. Here's, let me throw this at you. What if they did a gram or just a golden Oreo shell

and then inside you had chocolate covered pretzels inside of it with the chocolate, inside the chocolate. It was like chocolate cream with like little bits of pretzel and a little crunch to it. Yes, I know, what the hell? That's actually kind of what I thought was gonna be happening. Yeah, me too. We're giving away free ideas to Oreo fucks

That's what that's what it should that I mean, you know what Nabisco take the take our ideas They should any contrarian takes from the dais do we are we all in agreement? No, whoa Amelia you're on thin ice The blueberry one was so good when I first tried it Yeah, then I had the chocolate covered one, and I was like, I don't know about this. But then I went back to the blueberry, and it tasted like science.

It did taste, the second one tasted more science-y to me than the first one, but I still picked the blueberry over the pretzel. But you go whack for both then, Amelia? They're both snacks. They're both snacks? Whoa, what a curve ball. This is akin to a mutiny.

Just like a restaurant by your feedback, let's open up the feedback. Today we have an email from Jeff. Jeff writes, I just got back from a, it doesn't say Jeff Dutton, but it could be. I just got back from an amazing vacation to Japan with a friend. We went to Okinawa and he kept telling me

one of his favorite dishes there is called taco rice. I had no idea what this was, so he took me to the local taco rice spot and explained that tacos weren't a thing U.S. service people could get in Japan. So local restaurants created a dish that took all normal taco ingredients and put them on a bed of rice instead of a tortilla.

Are they Franken foods you would like to try like this or have an idea for one? Thanks for the attempts at humor. Always a highlight of my makeup. All right, Taff. What the fuck? Wow, cool. First of all, I definitely want to try taco rice.

It sounds cool. That sounds good. It's like a taco bowl. Yeah. Well, so what this is immediately making me think of, and this isn't exactly an answer to Jeff's question, but the dish they have in France, the street food, the French tacos, which is not like an actual taco, not what

we know as a taco, not like the Mexican dish, but it is more like halal meat and fries inside a tortilla with some sort of like cheese sauce. And that sounds delightful. That is a thing I've wanted to try and it has not made its way to the US in any form. Like I told you, I'm going to Hawaii with my mom and sister. That's right.

So if anyone has any, if anyone has has any because this episode comes out next week So if there's anything in Maui or Oahu, I've never been to Hawaii before I'm excited to go with my wait Are you gonna be are you gonna be out? They're gonna be there next week. When are you going? Well, no I'm saying this episode comes out next. Okay, so I won't you'll have time for Do you think that we have doughboy schedule? Don't worry. Do you think that we have doughboy schedule? Bitch is skipping town. I mean, I could see you being worried that I just forgot.

Zooming in from Hawaii. You're on a surfboard. Aloha, Wags. So if you got any recommendations for Oahu or Maui, hit me up with them. But I was looking at a lot of food there, and there's a lot of fusion food in Hawaii, anyways. And Hawaiian food has like, there's

a lot of different cultures that are bashing over there and stuff like that. This is hard for me to answer because I'm like, what is like, what's a food I'm going to make up that is like, you know what I mean? That is like, going to be good. You know what I mean? Like, I like meatball subs, and I like Chinese food,

but I'm not gonna make some sort of fucking hybrid that works, you know what I mean? And I like Mexican food, but I'm not gonna be able to, actually, meatballs in, Meatball's going into, fuck. Italian taco, that sounds good. That sounds kinda good. Fuck!

Mike and I made bolognese a couple weeks ago and we had leftovers and he had some buns that he had made. So we made, we kept calling them sloppy nays. It was like a sloppy joe, but with bolognese instead of like sloppy joe meat. And so it's kind of like a meatball sub, but like more sloppy joe style. And it was really good.

10 out of 10 recommend. That sounds good. Man, a meatball, some sort of, like a meatball taco does sound nice. I guess you'd have to slice the meatball as well. I have a little fried chicken taco when you can find that, which is not at all like authentic Mexican food, but still a good combo of two things.

Yeah. I'm the sucker for any of that too. Like when someone does like a pastrami egg roll, I'm like, ooh. Yeah. That's awesome. Oh, same, yes. Or like I've had cheeseburger egg rolls.

Those are fun. Great. We brought up the had cheeseburger egg rolls. Those are fun. Great. We brought up the China that we brought earlier. They do pizza. They do Chinese food on pizza, like an orange chicken pizza and stuff like that. Yeah. And it works.

Some of them work. That's the thing. That to me, on paper, orange chicken pizza sounds a little repulsive. Yeah. I can see the sweetness and the cheese flavor kind of rubbing up against each other. But then again, I guess it's not too far off

from a barbecue chicken pizza, which works sometimes. Or you could do like a boneless sparerib pizza. I think it's similarly sweet, but I bet you could get the ratios right. I got it. Pulled pork, yeah. Meatball sub burrito. Okay. Meatball sub burrito. OK.

Meatball sub burrito. So you're taking the ingredients of meatball sub, maybe adding some other components. There's pro-blown cheese in there. There's meatballs, and there's marinara sauce. But what do we stuff in there? Do we do rice? Pasta noodles?

Yeah, noodles instead of noodles. But now has this already been made? Kind of starch on starch. But it might be fun. It's like french fries or rice and a burrito. But my question is, does the rice make it more like a meatball sub-burrito? Could the rice work with the meatball?

I don't know. I think it could. You could do like an orzo or something that's like a couscous that's pasta-like, but the size and texture of. But then that makes it now it's like a spaghetti and meatball burrito. That's true.

My whole creation is destroyed. No, you're trying, Mitch. You don't need to do the starch. You just cut up little pieces of bread like burrito. That's true. My whole creation is destroyed. No, you're trying, Mitch. You don't need to do the start. You just cut up little pieces of bread like I'm sub. That's fun, too. What about the next step of a Choco Taco? The next step of a Choco Taco is a full-on waffle that you can fold into a tortilla and put ice cream inside.

You got like an ice cream burrito. I like that one. A bursuito. Very nice. Wait, bursuito or a bursuito is good. What was your alt? I thought you were saying burrito. That's pretty fucking good too. A bursuito?

He's two for two. A burrito or a bursuito. Bursuito, cause we invented it. Trademark. That's a kind of a trademark. I don't know, that's too much. Three hats, because we invented it. Fuck. Trademark. That's a kind of a trademark. I don't know. That's too much. Three hats.

Now we're talking. Nobody's done three hats before. Honestly. Get Führer on the phone. We'll add seven more. This cap's for sale ass motherfucker. I will say, Wags, that a burrito, the burrito answer to a choco taco is pretty fucking good. Does a sushi burrito fall into this category?

Oh, for 100%. Because that was a huge thing for us. And those now, but those are like, those are almost so, right, like those are, there's tons of sushi burritos stores and stuff. My issue with this, sorry, sorry for cutting you out, but my issue with the sushi burrito is, I feel like it's a little unka-pachka.

It's like, I don't know if I want that much sushi in one bite, you know what I mean? I like more like a nigiri or like an individual cut roll where it's like, it's a smaller, yeah, it's a smaller portion. There's an ahi tuna sandwich in Hawaii, I was just looking at it and I was like, do I want that, like do I want a sandwich

full of raw fish like that? I don't know. I say this as a fellow, like fat fuck, that's such a fat guy thing to be like two weeks out from vacation and like looking at your planning your meals. I was doing it with my mom and sister too, and it was, the restaurant list is like 80 restaurants. Yeah, sure, yeah.

We can go to like six. This is my priority for this trip, is like what place I'm gonna eat at. I mean, everything else is incidental. I can't even eat anymore. Right. Not only in my fat guy shot, but then also, this medicine is making me not hungry,

and I'm going to stop all, I'm going to be crazy and hungry the entire trip. There's like this, you know, the longstanding kind of myth of like, if I get on antidepressants, I won't be funny anymore. You're, this podcast, you're like, I'm on Lexapro. I might not be hungry enough to do this podcast. I was worried about that, but I also, I don't know,

not fun anymore anyways. It doesn't matter. You're doing great. Look, I don't think that we've solved this question. I think it's too hard of a question to ask. But I think we did OK. I think we had some great pitches. If you have a question or comment

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where you're like, there's like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, what's new in pot pies? Hey, put some sloppy Joe meat in the pot pie. How about this? Dessert pot pie in like a filo dough. Oh, fuck, I love that. Fuck, dessert pot pie. What would your guts be in the dessert pot pie?

You gotta have at least a couple scoops in there, right? I think so. Yeah. Clam chowder. In the dessert? No, no, no, in the pot pie, in the pot pie. In a savory version. Clam chowder. In the pot pie. In the dessert? No, no, no, in the pot pie, in the pot pie. In a savory version. Clam chowder, you said clam chowder, right?

Yes. Okay, all right. That's interesting, because that's like a bread bowl pot pie concept. I'm into that. All right, some good alts. A dessert pot pie, if that was on a menu, you would order the dessert pot pie.

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I do feel, I feel. I do feel like shit. Yeah. There is like, we haven't talk about it in the review. I do feel, I feel. I do feel like shit. Yeah. There is like, we haven't talked about the Rumblies factor, but we each house like four slices of pizza and then two crazy puffs and then came in here and talked for two hours. It is kind of a gauntlet.

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