Doughboys - Munch Madness: Chipotle vs. Qdoba with Toni Charline

Episode Date: March 7, 2019

The second matchup of the 2019 Munch Madness: Tournament of Chompions is here! Toni Charlene (Don't Worry, He Won't Get Far on Foot, Comedy Bang! Bang!) joins us to discuss our recent meals and to determine the winner between Chipotle and Qdoba. Plus, another edition of Snack or Wack. Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wall Street of the West, Queen City of the Plains, The Mile High City, The Home of the Broncos, Rockies, Nuggets, and Avalanche. Established in the mid-19th century in an elevation of 5,200 feet, Denver, Colorado has since become ground zero in the battle for dominance of the fast, casual Mexican food sector. In 1993, culinary school graduate and mission-style burrito enthusiast Steve Ells opens a Made-to-Order Mexican concept in Denver at the corner of Evans Avenue and South Gilpin Street. Two years later in 1995, another culinary school graduate, Robert Hauser, partners with

investment baker Anthony Millardope and Zuma Fresh Mexican Grill at Grant Street and Sixth Avenue. Ells chain would be a phenomenon, expanding nationwide, receiving mockery on South Park and being partially acquired and then sold off by fast food king Ben McDonald's. Zuma would find success after changing its name to its current moniker, expanding to 47 states and being acquired by budget American West eatery Jack in the Box. Now with over 2,000 and over 700 locations respectively, these cross-down rivals from Colorado's capital have become two of the biggest players in Mexican American food service.

But whose tacos and burrito supreme will reign supreme in this Rocky Mountain Chowdown showdown? This week on Doughboys, the second matchup of the opening round of Munch Madness, the Tournament of Champions, Mouth of the Border, Fast, Casual Region, Chipotle vs. Cudoba. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants, I'm Nick Weigher, alongside my co-host, divorced brawny man, the spoon man, Mike Mitchell. Wow, that means I had a marriage. Hey, that's a win for you overall.

We got a little Irma Miao over your intro. The cats are out to play. Are you peaking? I think you're peaking a little bit. What? Are we peaking? You sung? Are we peaking?

I think we're hot. I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. Like your audio when it gets a little bit... Why did you change? I liked how I sounded it and now you fucked everything up. I think he was peaking. I wasn't peaking. You were peaking.

You were peaking while I was in the restroom earlier. When the audio gets too loud, it starts to get distorted. I know what peaking means. I just didn't know what the hell you were talking about. I don't know if it's showing up on their court or not. Maybe it's your intense reading of the intro. Yeah, I might have gotten a little too into it. That roast was sent in by Sean McCabe.

If you have a roast you'd like me to use on Mitch at the Top of the Show, roastspoonmanatgmail.com is the address. He writes, Sean also writes, thanks guys, love the show, hashtag Usung did nothing wrong. Oh, God. All these people think Usung did nothing wrong. He did something wrong. Turn my mic up a notch. Just a notch.

You're a little hot. Usung. I like to be hot. It's the Spoonman, hot mic. Well, yeah, I honestly am a little hot here. I think I'm going to ditch this sweatshirt I'm wearing, go T-shirt. Oh, you got the NBA sweatshirt on. Oh, I think it's warm in here.

It's a little warm in here. It's kind of a cold day. It's a cold day, but it's a little warm in here. Sometimes those temperatures vary from interiors to exteriors. I got to throw a sweatshirt on, which is my, it's the North Quincy High School sweatshirt. It's my North Quincy High School sweatshirt and the mascot is kind of problematic. No problem. You might want to take that sweatshirt off for the show photo.

Can we just, Usung, you'll just, you can just Photoshop in something over the North Quincy High School mascot. Yeah. Just put a Celtics logo over there. No one will notice. Mitch. Can you do that? Yeah.

He's going to do it. Now people are really going to try to figure out what you're, what the logo is. Mitch, uh, you know, it's Ash Wednesday today. That's right. You're a practicing Catholic or semi-practicing Catholic, but I noticed you don't have a, you have a. Nick, I told you this before. I'm Catholic only in the ways that it just fucked me up.

I mean, my family wasn't even that real, I mean, right, but I've, I've done my share of Ash Wednesday. So you did do that growing up that wasn't, what is that that you? Is it literally ash? Yeah. Yeah. They put you put ash on your forehead and then you just have it all all day long. Yeah.

It's at the right. It's at the whatever. I mean, I don't know it. I should know it. They, they, I think when they, when you get like the priest rubs like a little cross of ash on your forehead, right, you're not supposed, you're not supposed to eat meat. Is that what happened? Is that start yet?

That's oh yeah. Yeah. What is it? This ends in Easter or something. Yeah. I don't know the actual, the I, you know, and I was raised to Episcopalian. It's also a, I think, I think of Episcopalian, Episcopalian sounds reptilian, doesn't it? Like some sort of alien, alien race of lizard people.

It does. No, it's a, it's the, the American branch of the Anglican church. The cats are chatty today. Yeah, they are. It's good. They want to get on Mike. They should get on. Mike.

Meow. The tournament topic should be kibble. All right. Cats like kibble. I don't know what they eat. Isn't that just what dry, dry pet food is? I guess kibble works. Yeah.

Kibble feels more dog-like. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. What would you call cat food? Just cat chow? Yeah. Meow mix.

Nick, I got a little, oh, first of all, to Spoon Nation. That was a good one. Yeah. I thought I did pretty good with that. And here's a little drop. You know how I said before I played alto sax? Sax? I also play maritou sax.

Oh! But I, I have no, I have no musical instruments. Yeah! Thank you, thank you. That, it wakes up, it wakes up. I feel like I'm still got, I'm still in that, um, it sounds like you're smoking your lungs. Yeah, I feel like I've still got a cough, a little something out. A bubble juice chop chip with milk.

Weird. Look at them attribute on. No. That's from, uh, Robbie. Hi, Doughboys. Here's a drop I made. Your commitment and vision in such an important field is truly an inspiration. Keep up the good work.

Hmm. Alright, calm down, Robbie. Seek heat and stay sweet. Oh, that's cute. Robbie. I can't tell if he's just fucking with us though. I feel like he's fucking with us. I hope so.

I hope he doesn't mean that sincerely. That had a little, that had a little feel to, uh, it had a little feel to that. Is it Enya? Return to innocence. You know that song? You know that song? Is this is what am I? Is what I'm doing bad?

It sounds like you're doing the chant for the North Quincy High School basketball. You know the song in the return innocence. I don't know this song. I'm sure I've heard it, but I'm sure it's played on the radio. You song. You don't even have to. I'm going to get it. Okay.

I'm going to get it right now. You don't know the song. You were probably too old for it. No, I know the, I know the end of the, come on. I know the end of the innocence. Okay. This is fun. This is fun.

Very tranquil. A montage starts where Wiger starts shooting up the double. Everyone who has anything to do with the dope voice. Yeah, return to innocence. Oh, it's from enigma, not anya. So that's where I was. Oh, that's where the issue. Yeah.

Let's introduce our guest for God's sakes. You know her an actor and comedian. You know her from the previous. I don't like you. You came out with a couple funny jokes. And now I feel like I'm behind your. It's not a contest. Yes, it is.

It is always a contest. It's not. That's how you think of this podcast. Yes. Conversation with my friend. And guess what? I've been kicking your fucking ass for a long time, baby. An actor, comedian from don't worry.

You won't get far and foot in County bank bank. Tony Charlene is back. Hi, Tony. Hello, guys. Thank you for. Being back. Being here, being back. And I mean, being back in two senses.

One, you're returning to the podcast. You've appeared on the show before, but also you're returning because Mitch gave you the wrong time to show up. And so you were here. Wrong date. The wrong day. The wrong day to show up.

So you were here at the studio yesterday. By the way, it's not the first time people have come. It is the first time I gave the guest the wrong day. This is the first time I fucked up with that. Because now hold on a second. I felt very bad about this. Nick, we were all, I felt very, very bad. We were all over the place with this.

We were, we were, we were texting and figuring out a billion things. Right. We say we're in Chicago for part of it. And you were saying, can you get a guest for the episode? I said, yeah, I got this. I'm going to get one of the funniest people around. One of the best Tony's coming on.

It's squared away. Everything's good. And then we usually record on Tuesdays and I text you on. And so I was thinking it was a day later, but I text you on either Sunday. Right. I texted me on Monday. Fuck.

I fucked up bad. And you do. Should we read it or no? You can read it if you want. I don't have to. Well, I changed it. I changed it to 230. You know what I did?

I did tell you, I looked at the text. I did tell you, I told you Tuesday the first time I told you. So I fucked up. You told me Wednesday. I told you once. Oh, I did tell you Wednesday. Then you told me Tuesday. Oh, fuck.

Wow. And that's why I, and it was also, I had to eat. Well, should I say? He had to eat a lot. It was within less than 24 hours. You had a ticking clock if it was one day later. First of all, this is all and I'm going to look. I fucked up.

Then Nick yesterday. Yeah, I'm going to blame this all on you, by the way. I was, I was coming. Where the fuck was I coming from? Oh, I was coming from an audition. Tony Tony came over here. That was the day you came over. Tony came over here at 230 and I was it literally shirtless.

I told you I opened. I opened up the people and I said I'm shirtless right now, which I don't like to sound like Charlie Rose situation is crazy. First of all, I didn't open the door. Yeah, you open the thing. First thing you said was it's tomorrow, not high. Anything. And we're friends, man.

Like it's like not enemies and you're like it's tomorrow. And I was like no. I think I said to be fair. I think I said no. It's tomorrow. I think it was something more like that, right? And then we had a conversation for a while and I was like, oh, you said Tuesday.

Do you think it's do you think today's Monday? Like what what what are you think? Anyways, and then right halfway through the conversation through the people, you're like, I'm shirtless. I was like, okay, like all right. And then you're like, let me put on a shirt. I've seen you naked a few times. That is true.

That's for comedy reasons for you freaks. But you also were you taking a nap? No, I was not taking it. Oh, your pants off your belt was undone. I was. I had gotten out of the shower. I was I had been studying. I had been studying for this.

I've been studying for this audition. I had. I really I really was. I was I was studying lines for the audition. And then I and then I got in the shower and when you came, I had just gotten out of the shower. Gotcha. You couldn't have thrown a shirt on real quick.

I did throw a shirt on like halfway through the conversation through a shirt on. Okay. I had just gotten out of the shower. I was basically in boxer shorts. But you shower with your boxers on. What the fuck are you talking about? I had just gotten out of the shower and had dried off and put

on boxer shorts. Oh, okay. And like and the knock was on the door. I don't like to be shortlist. I put on a shirt within within within three minutes of me being shirtless. A shirt is usually coming back on. I don't want my shirt off and in within that three minutes.

Ben Tony came and I was like, oh fuck. I fucked up very bad and I had to go and do an audition in Santa Monica where you live. I can't believe you drive here for this podcast. It's stupid. I don't always drive. Sometimes I take the train. Oh God.

I mean, I can't believe that you travel here for this podcast. It's bad. It's a fine commute. I'm used to it. It is law. It is far. It is further. You shouldn't live in Santa Monica is the issue.

I like it over there. He loves it. It's lovely. We have a nice place. What about his beautiful wife now? My wife works. It's convenient for her. I shouldn't have said where my wife works.

My wife works. My wife works in West Los Angeles. She works in that same that same area. What address? She works in the general western region of Los Angeles. Anyways, I went into that audition came back. You song and I are talking about an interview we're supposed to have together.

Yeah, Nick and I and we're in. We're interviewing you song's replacement. And all the details have been finalized. You song sends us the confirmation email and then Nick is like, hold on. No to forever. When everyone thinks I'm the fuck up with this podcast after the confirmation email comes, Nick is like that place is bad.

That time is bad and I was like, what the hell do you want me to do? I get so fed up. I'm taught. I'm texting them. I'm doing a billion things at once. I just got back from this audition. I'm texting Nick. Next thing I know, I locked my fucking keys in my car, Nick.

It's your fault. That's not my fault. It was your fault. Also, I think the concerns I was raising were legitimate. I don't think the time it is now and the time it was scheduled for and what the location that it was because I thought we were either having it here or a place that was like right by here. We're going to a totally different neighbor.

I'm going to burn you right now. You song. We had discussed all that stuff. Hadn't we on that text chain? He's nodding. Yes, folks. But Mitch. He's nodding.

Yes. You're glazing over. I love to glaze over things. And Mitch, did I show? Jesus Christ. I didn't mean it like that. You sick freak. I meant the sugar.

The human sugar. But Mitch, did I show you compassion? Did I say don't worry about it, buddy? Did I say it's fine? Did I wolf down two burritos? And in 24 hours and less than 24 hours and was here right on time. You were and you're a good friend and can you maybe show some grace to somebody else who might Nick.

Yeah, as soon as you song says that we had discussed all these things that he was then worked up about you song say it into the mic. The details were out there. Wow might not have been bombshell. Might have been on me not communicating them clearly. Guys, you can tell the reason that you song is scared right now is because Nick is going to fucking scream at him later. No, it may very well have been something that I overlooked.

You caused me to lock my keys in my car. That's you. I didn't cause you to lock. That wasn't on me. I was saying, look, even if with that detail has been said, logistically there was an issue with going over there at that time right after this record. Shut up.

And I thought that maybe we could just we could easily switch to a different location that was closer to here to make it more convenient for us and equally convenient for the person. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You're way too mad. You're not.

Hold on. Your place on a new convenience spot was the Denny's like a block away. Yeah, that's close. We're going to meet at Shake Shack. There's it's not even that closer. It's Gower Gulch. It's easier to park than that neighborhood that the Shake Shack is in. There's plenty of parking below the below below the Shake Shack.

There is. You fucked up. I don't think it would have been on time. You fucked up. What did you do about locking your keys? Yeah. How did you do it? Yeah, like what?

Oh, I got I got my little ways to get back in the car. I called triple A and a guy came out and used the little balloons to inflate my door and I'm locked in. I just say, uh, the Nick's head. This is Nick's fault. You told this entire story to this guy. He's like, uh, God, one podcast. I'm never going to listen to.

You know what? I was one of the challengers on in the Munch Madness. I was that's I was downtown this nightmare of I came from Santa Monica and then drove an hour and 45 minutes to downtown and I was in the in the downtown location of this place, which is there's only a couple of them. Hour 45 an hour. Hour 35.

Yeah, it was. It was that long. Yeah. People don't realize how. How bad. Bad LA traffic is and also just like how like expansive. How sprawling it is. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, I was. Yeah, it was about an hour 35 after when you get an audition in Santa Monica at 4 p.m. It's just a bad. It's bad. It's bad news. I think all our listeners can relate to that feeling. It's bad news.

It is. It's it's it's a it's you do a bunch of work for to go in to not get a part. Yeah. And then you drive two hours. Yeah, I'm sure the night janitor in Sioux City, Iowa's. Oh man. Glad I don't have an audition in Santa Monica.

Nick, the majority of actors are working class. So you should. So you should fucking zip. I know that. I'm like you fucking writers. Right. What are you talking about? You fucking writers.

You hoity. Toity writers. Toity writers. Yeah. Are you? We're in the middle of a labor action right now. We're getting screwed just like everyone's getting screwed. All right.

Look, we're fighting each other. We should be. This is the whole this is the distillation of what happens is that the we have. We're fighting each other when the this larger apparatus on top of us is the real source of the problem. I do feel sick already from the munch mat there. I've I've eaten.

I've eaten burritos. I've my last three meals have been burritos or we will talk about that later. Have it's been burritos or tacos or other or other things. I can't say what it is, Nick. You get what I'm just saying. Yes. Tony, you were I felt like you were about to say something.

Oh, I've just as of this recording, I've had a burrito every day in the month of March. That's crazy. I didn't intentionally do that. And when I got your text, I was eating a burrito. Oh, my God. And I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, our burrito is my favorite food.

I was like, you know what, Tony? You're going to have to not eat any more burritos this month. Like I literally like out loud to my dogs said that and then you texted and I was like, of course, I'll do the dough boys. And then you're like, you have to do burritos tomorrow. And then your dogs are like, okay, more burritos. And then the dogs also say you should try some kibble. Yeah, they did.

So a kibble burrito. How about that? Throw up. Dogs. You know what cats also eat their throw up occasionally. Sure. That's a gross thing. Yeah, it is gross.

Yeah, it does. It does. It does separate the beasts from the men. When you think about that, the the front, and I should say men. It should the human from the beast. I go what you're saying. Those are very. It's a very Tolkien Eskway of you to put that.

Yes, separate the beasts for the men feels from the man. Yes. Right. Tony. So burritos are your favorite food. So I imagine that's where you your allegiances lie. Or I'm sorry. No, I don't want to assume it.

I've just just taken your words. It was between pizza and burritos. But I think I have come to the conclusion that pizza is my favorite. Although, although I try to lean vegan and I feel like vegan pizza isn't quite there yet. They can't get the crust right. Right.

So I think the crust is OK. I think it's the cheese. I think the cheese is kind of like if it's a thing on to itself, that's one thing. But if you're expecting pizza, it doesn't to me quite deliver that same sort of thing. Right. But a veggie burrito.

Yeah. Veggie burritos are great. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, yeah, absolutely. I think that delivers. I mean, I think vegan is still maybe tough. I mean, you know better than me, but like like a vegetarian burrito, that's what that's the thing I would say like about

Mexican food is it's like very accessible to vegetarians. I mean, that's the thing our buddy Raj Desai was saying when he was on the show is that that Mexican food is like a great go to if you don't eat meat because you can get basically every all the same stuff just without the protein. Yeah. But so so pizzas in maybe your favorite burritos right there with you.

So I imagine that's where you fall in the tacos versus burritos discussion. You're a burrito fan. Absolutely. How do you? I'm team burrito too. By the way, Nick, you know this. I'm you.

I'm a taco man. Really? Yeah. I'm a taco guy. Hard shell, soft shell. I would show flower. I'm I would say I like corn soft tacos is like that's like the ideal sort of like that.

Takarilla or taco taco is you're just like choosing the worst one. You're talking about you. You just you keep going down and like tacos. Okay, fine. All right. Ritos are supreme first. Ritos are good.

Burritos are better. They're not. Then you're like I like tacos and you're like oh God, which one's corn tortillas? Of course you like corn tortillas more and then what type of corn tea is not crispy, but soft corn tortillas. That's the worst fall apart. I'd love that.

I don't know when it falls apart. It's all sauce and nothing else. That'd be great. Hold on. If the protein is just in my hand and the taco shell falls away. That's what you want. No, it's not what I want.

I wanted to corn tortilla with some heft, some structural tortilla. I want to get those two tortillas that are let that are layered up on top of each other so it doesn't have that problem. That's the way I have it with nothing in it. That's my favorite taco. I'll tell you a place that has motor oil.

You fucking robot piece of shit. All right. What? Yeah, I meant you went too far. Fucking robotic asshole. You pick the you know what? I'm mad at you. I really like tacos more than burritos.

I do. I can't believe you. I would say probably and I bet I bet if we pulled the audience, I bet tacos would come out ahead of burritos. Okay. So any burrito versus any taco? I think people, I think people there are more taco fans than burrito fans.

I think I think burritos are like a plus or like an add on or like just a tear below tacos in most people's eyes. Let's pull them. I think pull them. Let's pull them. We'll pull them during the show. Tomorrow. I will record this on Wednesday.

We'll pull them tomorrow on the show releases. You know, I don't like them. Oh my God. You peel the fans all the time. The listeners. I'll fuck them. What? Bitch, shut up.

You're the most pandering live performer I've ever witnessed. They're fools. Oh my God. They are fools. Bitch. They're going to get mad at me because they will be taco and there will be corn tortilla taco so far. It's like crazy.

Because that's the original form. Well, that's how it's. Yeah. Okay. You know who does it really well? Guisados has a great. Guisados does have great tacos. Isn't it a corn tortilla that is soft?

Yeah. I believe. Yeah. But if I go corn, I want that crispy corn shell for the. Yeah. I like a crispy. Yeah. Yeah.

All these are. It's all good. It is. All right. Fine. It is all good. Yeah. Look.

I'm getting mad at you again. I should be getting mad at the system, man. Thank you. Mitch and be honest. Have you ever. Yeah. Went down on a woman. Be honest.

Be honest. Be honest. Be honest. Jesus Christ. Be honest. Yeah. I went down on one. On one.

Okay. I put. I'll go. You put what? Jesus. What? What are you going to? I put on swim goggles in a snorkel, I went down snorkel.

What did you do to them? Just sort of exploring. What did you suddenly wonder? Making savings. Looking for a little treasure chest. Look. Looking for gold. Oh boy.

Is that what you did? Very graphic demonstration. I've been down. I've been down there. Nick. Oh, you want to be asking me? Yeah. I live down there.

Oh God. That's a nightmare. For all of you out there who's like hell yeah. That is a fucking nightmare what you just heard. Dear God. Tony, I'm curious as a, so you like Mexican food as a genre. Absolutely. Between Italian and Mexican it's a real debate on which one genre of food I should have put it.

I think I would put like, I might say Mexican is my favorite food. I love Mexican food so much. It's definitely taught to. I think I have it more. Yeah. I really love it. Mitch, what is the rank in your pantheon? I just need to take this time out.

Yeah. God. Comparing down there to a taco is first of all, you should get it. You should get a fucking yellow card for that bullshit. I can do it. Also chill out buddy. No. Don't turn this on me.

Are you trying to now be some sort of like feminist like? Yeah. That's right. All right. Great. Is that all you have to say? No, I think, I think comparing any sexual, anything sexual to food grosses me out. A sausage and a dick.

Yeah. I don't like that either. Oh, okay. Cool. I don't like it. That's fair. Food is food. And things are things.

Things. All right. Flesh is flesh. Food is food. But sometimes flesh is food. Yeah. If you consider the slang. I hate you.

Harvesting is me. Yeah. All right. I got a yellow card. Fair. You got a yellow card. Is that what we're doing now? We're getting penalties.

Yes. Yeah. And you know, you can be ejected from an episode. Okay. And you have to sit in my room until the episode's over. We're literally before we started this podcast, you said I put all my garbage in there. I did. I did.

I not only not only did I do that. He also did say that. I said, oh my garbage is in there. It is. So now I know this is like we can just call your bluff because you're not going to eject anyone because you're not going to have you don't want anyone to go into your bedroom. You sit in the cat. You sit in the cat office.

In the office where the litter box is. Yeah. With your unused desk. Yeah. With your clean and pristine desk. The only thing that hasn't been touched. I know that. If I go in there and if I put you in that room, there's no way that you're not going

to fucking take a load in the litter box. Take a load. Take a load. Look, it's funny that that sounds weird because like drop a load would be fine or drop a load. Take a dump would be fine. But take a load sounds. Well, that leaves it up to the listener of what thing you think you're going to what you're going to do in there.

Right. Am I going to burgle it or am I going to unleash one? And what are you going to unleash? Yeah, Mexican food to answer your question. Yes, the genre is the genre of of Mexican food is one man. What kind of load that's not now I'm understanding. Yes, you will. Hey, Wally.

Hey, buddy. Wally jumped on you songs lap and you song freaked out is the only way you pet a you pet the cat adorable. This episode is chaos. Good boy. It's probably it's it's it's moved up from what I was a child. Right. It was probably like 10th.

I didn't even know Mexican food that well. You mentioned this before, but yeah, it is a thing that within our lifetimes. Mexican has become like kind of a second national cuisine of the U.S. But there was a time when it was regionally just located in the American West where we're Tony and I grew up. It's it's it's either it's to I love Italian food still. I always write and if you include pizza in that it's that's big. And then it's probably up there with like it's probably up there with like American

style like burgers or sandwiches and stuff like that. It's it's it's so it's it's tied with for two, I'd say. Tied for two. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty that's higher than I realize. Yeah, it's way up there. I love it. I love it.

I love it so much. But if you guys are and also it made me appreciate like coming out here. I yeah, I don't think I when I was younger. I didn't like to do. I didn't like to I was a very simple eater when I was a little kid. And then when I got to like high school, I kind I by the way, simple eater sounds like you don't have to use her place or something. And then when I got to like it just puts his face right on whatever's in front of him.

Middle slash high school. I started to eat a lot of different things. And then and that kind of continued on through college, but nothing like and then when I got out here and I was eating a lot of different Mexican food, I was like, oh, I like to try everything. Right. I mean, that happened before, but then it just made me appreciate different foods more and you know, being in Ithaca and Boston, I didn't have that opportunity as much as

you do in LA. You really have an opportunity to try everything while he's on my shoulder. It's very cute. He's being cute. But yeah, no, it's it's very high Nick. It's it's one of the. I mean, how is it not one of the best? Oh, Tony, that's this is cute.

This is what the podcast should be. Nick of like this should be us. Us petting cats. You forgot to comment for a second because you were looking at wall. It's very distracting. Your cats are up to mischief. It's not mischief for God's sakes. Well, I mean, if one of us was to crawl on the table, it would be disruptive.

You're like the bad guy in the Heathcliff and Garfield world that get mad at the cats and those impestuous cats. Did you talk about this already? If you had to eat one of them, which one would it be Tony? Ask me if I've gone down on them. I mean, not on them. No, I didn't say I hold on a second. I'll answer the question.

Yeah. Yeah, that came out way too. Like to load it. I've never gone down on it. If if going going down means going to bending over and kissing them on the foreheads, then yes. Well, then yes. And so I can say Mitch has gone down on his cat.

And which one if you had to, if you had to, I'm not saying you want to. I would not eat either of them. I kill myself. If I had to, I'd shoot myself and I feed them. I wouldn't. I could never eat one of them, even in like an apocalyptic situation. And if people were like, we need your cats to live, I'd say fuck you and I wouldn't let them live either.

I'm sorry. You know what? They're friends to me. Right. They've been my friends through tough times. Are you kidding me? They're your everything. Yeah.

Yeah. So I couldn't eat one. Okay. I think I'd go with Wally because Wally's less nice. I'm going to cut your head off. Irma's a little bit more approachable. I'm going to cut your head off. You wouldn't touch him.

If I had to, that's the scenario that's being proposed. I'm going to fucking eat you for saying that. I have to. Well, he just closed the door. It's normal. Oh, he closed the doors up for real. Yeah, he did. This podcast sucks.

What is, yeah, Tony, you got us wild today. Tony did. Yeah. On her. You came in super hot. You're yelling at me up top. You made me lock my keys in my car. That's not my fault.

You unleash the cats. People are lying about you. Mitch really thinks weiger made him lock his keys in his car. Shut up. I don't really think so against your listeners. No, they're nice. I like them. They're the best in the world.

What's happening? I'm mad at everybody today. Even me. No, you're you're good. I like you even me. Yeah, you especially you. I'm going to cut your head off. You song you're fine too.

You're fine. What is your guys? So let's say tacos, burritos. I'm not going to get one of those. I'm going to get something else within the Mexican food family. What do you go with my all answer first? I would go enchilada. I love enchilada.

Wow. Love an enchilada. What about you guys? I mean, quesadilla for sure. Quesadillas are great. Even before a burrito, I would go enchilada. Wow. Before a burrito.

But I love burritos. And if I'm going to say something original, I would then say fajitas. Oh, fajitas are fun. Here's my issue with fajitas. Yeah. Is that they continue cooking. They bring them out that sizzling thing,

which is a lot of fun. Everyone can agree that's a blast. Everyone's having a good time. We're having a blast. The whole restaurant's like, Oh, what a huge order. You know, everyone's, everyone's heads are swiveling.

I don't know about the whole restaurant. No, the whole restaurant. They're all, everyone's, everyone hears the sizzle, their heads crane over. Yeah. Like they're watching Lady Godiva walk. Chocolate.

Yeah, exactly. Nice reference. Lady Godiva. Yeah. The, the lady who was naked on a horse. Yeah. Your friend. That's who it was.

Right. I don't know. Hold on. Now I got to look at this. Oh God. Damn it. That was naked on the horse. Sure.

You know, all these trapped in the room now and Irma is just out. Yes. An English noble woman who according to a legend dating in the 13th century, road naked covered only in her long hair through the streets of Coventry to gain a remission of the oppressive taxation that her husband imposed on his tenants.

Hell yeah. Wow. What a great reference. And you know what? Actually, that is pretty cool. It is cool. I mean the,

the story is cool. All right. You go Mitch. Everybody's craning their head to look at these fajitas like. Sonic just walked into the restaurant from the Sonic movie. Strange. Yeah. He was strange.

It's really, that hair is a little too realistic. Wow. This was Evan Susser's final design. Yeah. It's a fajitas, but, but you know,

the sizzles very fun. They keep cooking. Yeah. And sometimes like, depending on what you get, sometimes they get a little, I feel like they get a little overcooked in that. Interesting.

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are you a drinker? I am like a little bit of a drinker yeah fun. I didn't know that. What do no. No, no, no, no, no. You're, you're confused. It's not fun. Yeah. Nothing fun way. It's not the fun version, no and a self-destructive way, we had some. We, we, we went out for drinks and we had a real view. You're, your lovely. The wife Natalie Dano is there in his, in his girlfriend Caitlin. We're all,

we were all together in Chicago had a nice little five-some got ourselves a booth at a Tiki bar. Your favorite. Don't say five-some Jesus. All right. We had a, yeah. What side of the booth did you sit on? I was right in the middle of everybody. It was the life of the party. Of course. It was fun. It was, and it was Natalie's recommendation. It was a great three dots and a dash. I believe it was called. I think that's what it was or back. Yeah. Three dots and a dash. Yeah. And we got, we got kind of fucked up. I did it. We, you know, because we went there and then you got,

you, you create your Quincy Maniacs were like, let's go to another bar afterwards. I'm like, what, what am I 19 years old? Let me go to another bar after being just been built. And it was like factor fresh. I also like 19 years old. I'm going to two bars. Yes. The age where you go to 21, Nick. Okay. 21 years old. Fine. So if you are going out to have a fun time, what, what are your drinks of, of choice? I like, I do love margaritas is my favorite cocktail.

Just on a night. Yeah. I'll just, I mean, I'll have a margarita. Yeah. For sure. But you know, mostly in the context of getting it with Mexican food, I'll like a martini. Ooh, what type of martini? I usually do with a gin martini and just sort of like a regular up martini, you know, nothing fancy with some olives, blue cheese olives, ideally. And then, you know, as far as drinks go, I, you know, I like, I love, of course, like a nice cold brew dog, although I have to limit my intake a little bit because they get me a nice

and plump. But I will go usually go with like a lager or Pilsner or something a little lighter these days. Not really into IPAs anymore. But I love, I really love red wine. I'm with LeBron on that. Ooh, what kind of red wine? You know, I will go with a, I will go with a Pinot Noir or a Cabernet. Pinot Noir is nice. Yeah. Could you tell the difference? Yeah. I mean, but not like, I don't have like a great palette for it.

I'm not like a Sommelier. I can kind of or can pronounce Sommelier with any confidence. I have a little bit of a nose for it. Yeah. I like red wine. A nose for it? Do you think you could smell the difference in both of those? Okay. Probably not. Just I shouldn't have said nose. I can taste the difference to some degree, but you could definitely stump me. If you brought out like a cab fronk and we're like, what's that? And I would not be able to guess it was a cab fronk.

So you're just a, you're just a drunk. No. Well, what do you like, Mitch? I like beer. I like shots. I like beers. You don't like beers. I do like, I used to really love beers. I just don't get beers that expire in your fridge. I don't drink by myself in my home. That's true. Oh, I do.

I don't come home and drink a beer on like a week on a, on a, I couldn't, I can't do that. If once it would make me plump, as Nick said, I don't want to get too plump. Right. Two, I, I would probably start drinking more. And, and I just shouldn't do like, I've never, I've never been a guy to come home and do my dad would always do like a glass of wine with dinner and I haven't gotten to that stage yet, but I, I can't, I can't do it.

But if you do go out, like what, and if you do, I do ciders a lot of the time now because they don't make me feel as, as bad as beer does, but I used to, so much of the time I used to love different beer, like I used to love to have different beers from oak, gourmet and stuff, I would get a ton of different beers around the corner from UCB and, and now that's, that's changed. Now I'll do either a cider or I'll do like the tequila and soda, water or something, something along those lines or a mixed drink.

I'll do a mixed drink a lot of the time. A Mai Tai, Mai Tai. Oh, you are a, yes. You're a big rum and dye coke. I feel like I'll do a lot. I'll do things like that. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. What? Just you like, you like cider. You're a cider guy. I am. I became a cider guy. I didn't think it would happen. So this is a, this is a real cider house.

Yeah, it does rule. We'll take a break. We'll be back with more Doe Boys. Welcome back to Doe Boys. We're here with Tony Charlene for Munch Madness 2019. The cat of the border. The cats are back in the room. Cats are the back of the room.

You song's gone. You song left. But we'll, but yeah, you know, we got a soldier on though. He left the, he left the zoom running. So we'll record this episode. Emma's not here. Unfortunately, we're going to figure it out on our own. Tony, I want to go over the rules for this real quick for you

and for the benefit of our audience. So here's what we're doing. We've got these two chains that are facing off. Tacos and burritos only. Side stay on the sidelines. As always drinks are in the Gatorade jug. Also on the sidelines. For this year, you will get one taco and one burrito from each

chain and it's eater's choice. You can go crunchy or soft, streamlined or loaded up whatever protein you want. You just get one taco of your choice, one burrito of your choice from each chain. They can be similar to each other. They can be dissimilar from each other, whatever you want to go with and then use your judgment to decide which is better

than the other. Our chains this week Chipotle, which we've reviewed twice most recently in 2017 when they introduced queso. It was in the platinum plate club at that point and then it has been kicked out because it has declined. Qdoba. We have never reviewed on the podcast a substantial size chain that we have never actually given a fork rating to Tony.

What have you been to? I assume you've been to Chipotle. Have you been to Qdoba before? No, I hadn't. You say substantial. There's not a lot in Los Angeles, right? Or did I look at there? I felt like there were like three like sprawling in very

different. They are pretty far from downtown, past Pasadena and then by maybe by your neck of the woods. There's one in Culver City in the formerly Fox Hills mall. There's one downtown and there's one in on the East side somewhere in East LA somewhere. It's a yeah, it's a big chain nationally, but they're just aren't a lot of in LA.

And I think part of that is just because there's so much competition here that it's tough for it for an outsider Mexican chain to break in unless you're as big as a Taco Bell or or Del Taco or Chipotle. But but yeah, you've never been there. Mitchell, you ever been to Qdoba? I don't know if I've ever been to Qdoba before. I never been.

So we're I may be never been. Yeah, we're three Qdoba initiates and Chipotle veterans. You've been to Chipotle. Yes. What is your feeling about Chipotle going in? What are your biases going in? Are they owned by McDonald's? They were at one point McDonald's on a chunk of them

and then they sold them off. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Well, forgive me if this is too to go into it. I was like Chipotle is fine. Right. Although I feel like I I've heard a lot more from people of like, oh, bad, awful.

I also used to live by a Baja and I thought Baja was absolutely great and fine. You say great. Yeah. And it's only recently that people are like, oh, no, gross. And I'm like, yeah, it's also gross. Yeah, I don't like it either. It really did.

It's strange that it went downhill. It's sad to say it was it was bought wasn't it wasn't a bought by somebody and it was bought by I believe it was bought by Wendy's or Wendy's parent company and it was mismanaged. What a crazy Wendy's dropped to the ball. It's a shame. Yeah, the there's the Baja fresh that used to be thriving in Santa Monica is now an empty shell and they've they've

taken the sign down. So you just see like the silhouette like like it's burned into the wall. A nuclear blast. It's just as Baja fresh. It's barely legible. Oh, it's really grim as it's not going to be in the tournament. Right.

I mean, we have not we haven't discussed it really. It's I don't think it's going to make it. I it's one of my burritos that I've had this month only because it's by my gym. So I have had a good workout then got a right right by it and gotten Baja and I thought it was fine. Which which one did you go with? As far as the burrito.

Yeah, do they it's like a real veggie burrito. Oh, okay. Because yeah, they I remember they had the Baja burrito the burrito Ultimo and the burrito Manos, which was a big one. Oh, I think I did that once or twice to went back when I was twenty two or twenty three. My Dos Manos stays. Yeah, you know, you know what I was going to say about

fajitas. No, my big issue with fajitas. I know that you put my big issue with them. Also, you get it. You see you get a pro you get you don't usually don't get a protein, right? You just do the. I just do a veggie.

They'll have like a tofu. Okay. Places don't do them well. If you if I had good yeah, he does I'd be happy, but I think it's one of those things that it's hard to do well. It's that can be bad. Yeah, it's one of those things is that it's it where you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of tamales.

I think tamales can be done really really poorly and so you're like tamales not good and then you have a good tomorrow like that was really good. Yeah, this is just never done well. Yeah, so I think it's in kind of that that that classification of foods that are there. What's a good hashtag for that Nick foods that are that are good, but not done well like a like a there's a lot of variants.

There's a lot of range of outcomes hashtag different eat comes different for sure. It comes. Yeah, that is the best. Honestly, that's the best hashtag like instead of different outcomes comes. It comes. Why hashtag why greek?

Hashtag why greek comes. I think it's good. Yeah, no, there's there's a. I don't know why I stopped doing hashtags. I can do it too. It's easier to put it on me. It is. It is.

That's the way it goes now. Hashtag why greek comes. All right. C O M E S your perves. See you. C U M S. Yeah, the other one's pretty full. Hashtag's already very active.

So yeah, I went to the Santa Monica Chipotle, which Mitch used to be a Pocky Tomas. What a shame. I know it was a quite a downgrade. Yeah, I was surprised that Pocky Tomas pulled out, but it must have been just a very expensive rent and and so the Santa Monica Chipotle and then I went to the Culver City Q Doba such such as it's the saddest.

I can't believe it's so it. I mean that just sucks for you. I said this is maybe like one of the first times I felt bad for you. It was my go to Pocky Tomas. I saw Conan O'Brien there once. Oh, very cool. Yeah, what did he get?

I didn't hear what he ordered. I did. He was behind me in line. Didn't you say that he was about to order and then Jay Leno jumped in the way to get everybody though. That's a good order. Jay Kevin was there. Kevin was there.

I'm cheering him on. So I got the I got the I went with a soft shell taco. Now he told it mentioned I liked I like corn tortillas. They don't have corn tortillas. Are we talking about Chipotle? Which I'm starting with Chipotle. Yes, I got the the corn the barbacoa soft shell taco with a with a flour shell because that's what they have now.

Added the heat of edgies, their salsa verde, sour cream, cheese and lettuce. You know, the nature of Chipotle is they stuff things with so many ingredients and I think for the tacos, it's a problem because it's just overfilled. I just get way too many ingredients for the saw for the size, especially too much lettuce. The flour tortilla I think is passable quality and it helped

pretty tough with the wet ingredients. It's just but it basically is just a smaller like open face burrito. It's like and so and I like their barbacoa. It's nice. It's it's it's it's well cooked. It's it's decently seasoned. It's got a good like slow cooked texture to it.

But my my takeaway from eating this is barbacoa soft shell taco is why bother getting a taco here? Like I've done it before and I'm just always like why why did I bother like if I'm going to eat the calories of a tortilla? I'll just get a burrito because it's better composed. It's better constructed. It's what this place does. I it's it's it's strange that they even have it on the menu

in my opinion. I mean, I guess you just have it by necessity. They're crunchy shell tacos, which I've had before a little better, but they're soft shells. I just are like, what's the point? The bean and cheese burrito is the other thing I got and this is how I'm going. I'm just I'm just going pretty simple with these at least for

the first round, pinto beans, cheese and salsa. They're pinto beans. I think I find pretty plain because they're usually I think it's partly a byproduct of their buried with a bunch of different other ingredients. So they're just kind of they're more for texture and for protein and for fiber. I will say because the way this was constructed, the the

cheese didn't quite get melty, which I really like a melted cheese and a bean and cheese burrito and here that was just kind of, you know, just kind of cold cheese that you're biding into. However, the spicy red salsa worked really well, gave it some spice and flavor. In fact, that was really pretty much the only source of flavor in this thing.

A little paltry in terms of ingredients. I think that's because it's an unusual order. They usually just, you know, they're usually making things that are loaded with a bunch of other stuff and here they just didn't throw that much into it. But that said, a solid execution, a good bean and cheese burrito, which the cheese was a little bit more melty, but I think it was good and only $2 and 20 cents.

Can't complain about that for a chain that they can be a little expensive. I thought it was a that was a relative bargain. Tony, what was your experience with your Chipotle trip? Okay. Chipotle, I went, I think they opened at like 10 30. This was in Toluca Lake and I was there at like 10 45. Because I thought I had to wolf down a food, but I'm saying

like, so I got the, the, the opening music, little trans music, which was interesting. Not a lot of people there. So I got a veggie taco. I didn't even know they had a hard shell. I do just like, she just grabbed the soft shell, uh, assuming Lee and I was like, well, that's the way, uh, it comes or maybe they don't anymore.

They used to at some point. Oh, okay. They, they might still like, um, but it was just a veggie, uh, taco with, um, I tried the pinto beans, um, with the grilled veggies, uh, a little bit of a lettuce and pico de gallo. Um, and that was it on mine. It fell apart. I get it.

I also ate it there. Right. Uh, so there was an even travel time to kind of like, it fell apart right away. There was no taste to it. Like none whatsoever. Like I even individually kind of like tasted the beans, tasted, uh, the veggies and there was just, it felt like

there was nothing. I should have got that hot sauce on it or something to, to spice it up or salt. Like it just felt like it was just a bland. It did feel like the tortilla was soft though, which I am not a huge man of, of corn tortillas, but it did feel, um, I actually not too bad. But so you did get a corn tortilla.

I did get a corn tortilla. I didn't know they had crunchy tortillas. I did. They, cause they, I got a, I got a soft tortilla, but they only had flour there. Oh yeah. I wonder if you're, well yours must have, it must have been a soft corn.

I did, I'm surprised because I thought they might have faced that. Maybe it was flour. Yeah. No wonder. Cause I was like, Oh, I thought, okay, I'm an idiot then cause I was like, this is a very soft corn, uh, tortilla, but it must have been flour.

You're wolfing down Mexican food at 10, 45 AM. So probably a little disoriented to begin with. Um, yeah. Because Nick told me to tell you it was Tuesday and I locked my key to my car. Hey Nick, get it. Um, so yeah, there was just nothing to this, nothing. And I, and I understand that there's going to, I feel like

maybe be some blowback of like, Oh, I didn't get a meat or this or that, but it just, it feels like you could put some seasoning on those veggies. Like you could do something with those. Right. It was also early. It wasn't anything, I don't know if I got maybe last night's batch reheated or, uh, it, it, it just felt like there was

nothing to it. I might be stepping on your butt, but did you not do any Sofrit, uh, what is it called? Sofritas, the tofu protein. Uh, you know what? No, I thought about that before too. I think because the, the staff was very curt with me and I was a little like thrown off by that.

Were they like, why are you in here? It's 10, 45. Probably. I was like, could I have the veggie, uh, taco? And they were just very dismissive anchor and I was like, I feel like I'm doing something wrong somehow. And so I pretended like I, I, I just went with it with it. Yeah.

Uh, and confidently said, I've been bullied into orders before when you're, when you're scared and you, it happens. There's this happened. I even thought about it too. I was like, Oh, I'm going to get their tofu. So I was a, I was a little excited, even though I heard that somebody got a little sick from it before, but I mean people get sick from all sorts of things.

It's tricky. I to probably stuff for me because when I first started, I was like, what's the big deal about this place way back in the day? And then I grew to be nicer to it and enjoy it more because I felt like it was that sort of thing where like, oh, I get that scratches niche, they can do big orders. They're like a lunch. They're like, if you work in an office, it's a lunchtime place

and the and their burrito like their big burrito can, can, it can hit the spot. It's like, it's like a, it's a San Francisco style burrito or whatever, but what are they called Nick? Those mission style burritos. Yeah. I mean, I know that they're not good, but like also like, I don't know for like the quality of them is decent for for mission

style burritos down here for a chain version and so I became nicer to Chipotle. And we've kind of gone back and forth on this place a bunch. It's we loved it. We reviewed it early on. We reviewed it within our first 10 episodes of their buddy Mike Hanford. I think we gave it five forks apiece.

It was just like we were, it was, but that, you know, that was those were the, the heady days of 2015 and it was a completely different time and I think, I think Chipotle is in a different place now than it was then. Yeah. I'm sorry. You ran through your burrito. Yes.

Okay. I should do that too. Sorry. My veggie burrito was black beans. Decided to mix it up all those veggies. I also added guacamole to it. Love their guacamole. I thought it was so good.

I think the young woman was also like thrown off because at the end she's like, Oh, is that it? And she like kind of like crumpled mine into a ball. Like she didn't know, cause I think she was expecting like other different things, but it was also the end of the line. It was like, I couldn't possibly add anything, but she was so thrown and it looked like a baseball that she gave me and it too fell apart.

I get it. Burritos fall apart. I don't necessarily fault it for that unless we're grating on that and it, but the guacamole, whatever it touch was great. The rice, I got half of the brown rice, half of the white rice doesn't have butter in it. I was curious if it did and it tasted like nothing that it everything tasted like nothing except for the guacamole.

It's pretty substantial. Yeah. It was very like not even overly salty, not even like in one direction of bad. It was just nothing. Yeah. I'm with you. And I think that was, you know, like I said with my burrito,

I had similar experiences absent the salsa. There just wasn't a lot of flavor there. I used the word in substantial. I don't mean in terms of it's not filling. It is filling, but it is just sort of like kind of a lot of it tastes like empty carbs. Mitch, what was your experience? People get mad at me.

I've had Chipotle a lot. I got a post made at Nick. I know that people get mad at this, but I had to actively tell our fans to fuck off. No, it's fine. Go ahead. Give me all the shit you want. I've been to Chipotle.

I've done it a bunch, but I did try new. I tried stuff. I hadn't tried before here this time. So I went with a taco. I went with I went with the crispy corn tortilla Nick and inside of it. I actually kind of this is kind of interesting. I if I was in the store, I maybe wouldn't have done this, but

I didn't uncheck the beans and rice in the taco. So there was actually beans and rice in the taco, white rice and black beans in the taco. Rice is very odd. I mean, which is beans and tacos on occasion, which which is just not needed, but I'll just say what I'll hit on what Tony was saying. It just added a more of a non taste the entire thing right.

So it was black beans, white rice. I went with barbacoa as the as the protein, which what is it's just shredded beef, right? I take a barbecue beef. Yeah. Okay, kind of yeah, which I think maybe is well. I'll tell you what happened with my burrito in a second. Barbacoa cheese, fresh tomato salsa, romaine lettuce, sour

cream, tomatillo, green chili salsa. It of course was completely it fall a fellow part. I couldn't the taco shell couldn't contain all that stuff. It was just it was a goopy. It was just a mess. Those those chipotle tacos do not travel at all. They don't travel at all. So that so the taste of it was just kind of like a nothing on

top of that, but the barbacoa was kind of the best bite and taste I had of the entire of the entire meal. I went with a a steak burrito and I got black beans, white rice, cheese, fresh tomato salsa, sour cream, tomatillo, chili salsa. I never get. I always just get chicken burritos when I go there right. I never usually get the the steak burrito.

It was they're always too big. Mine didn't fall apart the taco completely fell apart. My issue with it was more was that the steak is just kind of like a thick protein in in the burrito. It doesn't work as much as like a barbacoa would or whatever. I don't think their steak is very is great there. It's not. It's like it's it's not great and I was I was switching it up

because I was like oh like a steak burrito, but it's just like pretty much cubed steak right that like you bite into the burrito and then like you have to chew down the steak as you eat it. It's not it doesn't it doesn't work well at all and so I know that I got kind of I I should have gotten pinto beans because I never usually do pinto beans there, but hey wouldn't have made a difference when I mean it a lot of it did just feel like kind of like a gloopy mess.

Here's the thing Nick. I know side stay on the sideline and drinks from the state. Yeah, drinks are in the gatorade. Drinks are in the gatorade. It's right greater. I jug that are on the sideline drinks are the steak. Drinks are in the gatorade jug that are on the sideline. Yes to be clear. I'm going to pour in an Izzy's clementine, a clementine

Izzy soda because I got a clementine Izzy and I then I did get a side of queso and a side of chips and salsa. Nick we're opening up chips and salsa are doable. It's the chips and salsa or what get the Golden Whistle or a side tournament. Yes, you know it's for the Golden Whistle Award. Yeah, it's for a side like a side but does it apply now. It does, but just use your memory. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. How dare you but think about the salsas to that's important, but I did. I got queso and some salsa.

I got the green tomatillo chili salsa because that's my favorite one. By the way, I don't think queso should count. Well, they both have queso though both of these places so I feel like it should and I'll get to that too. Okay, because I was do I compromise my morals for to do it? I think a queso. Yeah, feel on this. Yeah, I did. I use the queso that I bought for the chips and salsa and I and I poured it a little bit on the burrito. I was either pouring the green tomatillo chili the salsa on the

burrito or the queso just to get any flavor out of it and then I would stop down on the on the steak. A lot of the time I think Chipotle burritos can go by the person who makes them because a lot of times they can be really packed with rice or too much beans or whatever and like the equation is hard to get down, but it just it wasn't really bad outing by just like no matter how you pack it. There's not a lot to to whether you're packing a bunch of beige food like there's only so much like it's still not a lot

to I guess. Yeah, maybe you give more of those flavorful things, but like you what you're packing is is the same ingredients, which is nothing. Yeah, or just not a lot of taste. I would do barbacoa in the burrito if I had if I if I could do it all over again. I went outside my chicken burrito order. Yeah, I think there are some proteins that are more flavorful there or you just load up a lot of salsa or guac like you were saying. Well, yeah, pretty sounds like a pretty universally not great

experience from Chipotle, but however how to what it comes down to is not it's it's absolute performance, but it's performance relative to Q Doba the other chain. I went to the Q Doba in Culver City. I went to the one at the mall. I saw a cat in the parking lot. So was it was it a feral cat, Nick? I think yeah, I think it was a stray cat just sort of walking around. Why do you first of all, why did you tell me this? Why not? I thought you'd be interested. I'll be so sad about it. He's probably

doing fine. Cats can live already. Was it a kitten or a cat? It was a full full-fledged cat. It was like one of those ones that was like orange and white. What do you call a cat like that? Garfield is a Garfield even Garfield is orange and black. Whatever a Gargamel. Oh wait, Gargamel's the guy. Gargamel's the guy. He's got. I don't know what his cat is cat's name is. What's Gargamel's cat's name Tony? No idea. Shit. I feel like at one time I did know this. Let us know hashtag Gargamel's cat

quiz. Anyway, he was some sort of Garfield. I could tell because I went on a Monday and he was pretty grumpy and so I went inside and they call their tacos knockout tacos which is you know a little violent. I don't know how I feel about that. You don't? Yeah, I don't know. It was a Vander Holyfield gonna punch me in the mouth with a flavor. I wish. Well, you let us know. I will. I also the taco I got was called a two timer also don't like that reminds me of the marital sin

of infidelity. Well, that's on you buddy. Hmm. Yeah, I should that you should think about that. I should I should be well boy. This is making me think about things. Yeah. No, I would never I would never but I would eat it. I'm not saying you. Yeah. Oh, you're saying hmm. I think we both know how that would. So, uh, I got the two timer which is called as such because it is basically a plus double decker. Here's what's going on in this. It's pulled pork, salsa roja, shredded

cheese, lettuce pico de gallo and cotea cheese in a crispy taco wrapped in a flour tortilla spread with three cheese queso. Um like I mentioned very similar to a double decker with a but with this pulled pork protein which I thought was similar to the the barbacoa in terms of texture even though it's a different animal. Uh it's got this chili verde sauce which I thought was had some nice flavor. It didn't soak through the hard shell. Amazingly, I ate it there. Uh the

queso gluing the soft shell was a little nacho cheese artificially. Uh but it was fine. Um the chipotle quality romaine like that's how I characterize it because it's basically the exact same shredded or sliced diced up romaine lettuce. Uh but just less of it. It was a better proportion. The desiccotea was really nice. Just much more thoughtfully assembled than chipotle and think better overall. It just felt like this is a dish. It didn't feel like it was like

an add-on. Um their bean and cheese burrito. Again, pinto beans, cheese and I got their their spicy salsa and a flour tortilla uh which was a fine tortilla. They do do a light warm-up like with chipotle. The pinto beans were a little bit more flavorful. They they put in more of them though still under salted which was a problem with the chipotle ones. Nice proportion of cheese. It got a little bit melty in there. The habanero salsa was a better salsa. I

think with a little bit more flavor and a nice kick to it versus these chipotle spicy red salsa held together. Good execution. Three dollars and seventy cents. We're talking chips and salsa. Let me just touch on this real quick. I felt like the the qudoba chips were like to tostitos. Their salsa roja was like pespicante. Those I thought were not very good. Their their salsa verde was I think passable. Pretty mild. A little bland. Uh could use a little bit more

acid. The add big chunks of like it was a green tomatoes in it. Yeah, it was just like the tomatillos were like kind of diced. They're a little bit chunkier in there and yeah but the I I think I I might say I the chipotle ones have like a little bit of lime the the chips and so they just have a little bit more to them. It just feels like they have there's a justification for why the chipotle ones they're charging you extra. However, neither of these chains should be charging

for their chips. Yeah, it's just be add-ons like it's kind of insane that there's an extra fee for that. Tony, your qudoba experience. Okay, so I go to Hope Street. I went to like Mountain View. Oh, okay. Oh, the east one. Yeah. Okay. We went to the three area. I'm very excited. Okay, so I got there about eight o'clock at night. Couldn't have met the most friendly guy. He I think his name was David. It on their name tag. It says my name is blank and I like blank. I think

he liked soccer or something. Oh, that's cool. He was like first time here and I was like, mm-hmm. And he's like, well, welcome. How'd you hear about us? And I was like, oh, he's like, are you just passing through? Did you just see the sign and come in? And I was like, oh, a friend recommended it and he's like, oh, great. He was so nice. You like the place was very clean. I would say both places were clean. You don't consider Nick a friend, by the way. No. No, no,

no, no. That's a good friend. And so he was he like, well, basically this is walk me through the menu, which it's a simple menu, right? So there was it wasn't too much of a need. And so I got a veggie burrito and with the grilled veggies on it. He's like, what kind of rice do you want? He's like, Oh, I could do half and half. He got like very excited about it. He said three or four times. He's like, we don't charge for guacamole and we don't charge for queso. He

peppered that in a lot. Right. And I was like, Oh, okay. And I wasn't gonna do the queso, but he seemed so heartbroken. He's like, we have a few different types of queso. I would highly recommend the spicy queso. And I was like, Oh, well, and he's like, it's really good. Like he he was so into his job. Like, I was so curious if he he seems like I guess I don't know how old anywhere from like 25 to 40. But I didn't know if he owned it or like he was just very emphatic about his job. Like

he was just so excited. So I was like, Okay, great. Like, it's like so weird to encounter someone who like cares about your job. Yeah, like I mean, just like so so passionate. Yeah, not just liked it, but was just like, I want you to have the best time in the world. Right. And I was just like, so I did get the spicy queso. So I feel like in some ways, it's not necessarily a fair comparison because I did, you know, add some things to it. Got the guacamole, black beans, like I

said, the half and half rice, which I did with the other one. The taco I did a taco with that one I know was a corn tortilla with the veggies on it, black beans as well and guacamole. And I was so full again, this was the same day that Mitch texted me and I was eating a burrito. And I was like, I just have to like, wolf through this right for the podcast, ate every bit of it. I loved it. I thought it was delicious. I singled out a little bit of like the veggies like bite on their

own to see what that would be like. I think they had more flavor to them. Just with simple flavors of just like, you know, like, salt or some sort of seasoning on them. And it was just I really liked it. It was also the same for the taco, which it didn't have the other accoutrement, but like some sort of corn sauce type, sauce type thing, and was good and was a nice corn tortilla, which I usually don't like. I also got the whole wheat tortilla for my burrito. Right. And it was

good. Yeah. And he he again, couldn't have had a better that one. I did. I didn't eat there. I drove home and and that was about a half hour ride. It held together. I mean, the taco did fall apart because I just think the the tacos are so small. They're they're going to but the burrito fell apart a little bit, but I was able to handle it and it was it was great. I Nick I I'm with you guys. I was it's night and day the taco options night and day. It's crazy. I walked into you're

referring to the the the Cameron Diaz Tom Cruise movie. That's right. Everyone's favorite movie. I walked into Kadoba. My keys have been locked in my car. I traveled from Santa Monica. I didn't eat Nick all day. You you and I were going to maybe try to get Kadoba together. Yeah, but I had that audition. So I waited and then I just didn't eat end up eating eating anything because I didn't want my stomach to hurt. Yeah. And so I was starving. I come there. I lock my keys in my car. So

the first 30 minutes. I'm in Kadoba. I'm talking to AAA to have a meet me on Hope Street down there in downtown Los Angeles during rush hour to come and open my door. I get that squared away. I get over there and I see the I see the taco menu for the first time and I don't even know what to get because there's so many of these options. I try with each of these places that are going up against each other. I try to kind of have it balanced where I got the barbacoa taco at at

at Chipotle and then I did a steak burrito. So this one I kind of flip flopped it. I looked at all these options and then I landed on the gladiator the gladiator taco with and I went flower flower shell for both my taco and for my burrito gladiator taco gladiator taco. It's so violent. Relax. Jesus. What are they trying to evoke God? Do you are there? Are you gonna knock out tacos? Do you want you want the gladiator fucking the assassin relax the annihilator

relax. Mrs. Gore. You want to put a fucking parental advisory sticker on the window of the place. Your taste buds though. I don't know. I forgot Al Gore's. What's her first name? Tipper. I knew it. I knew it. I didn't know it ex-wife at this point. Oh really? Yeah, oof. You said about that. Gores feeling sore tippers out the door. I got the gladiator taco grilled steak bacon, pico de gallo, lettuce, mexican Caesar dressing, cilantro and nick. I always say this wrong

cotilla cheese. Tia I think it's pretty. Yeah, Tony, Tony, no, no, it would just felt like a lot. I don't like cotilla cheese. No, I, I, I enjoy it. Here's the thing. The guy I ordered from two was such a pro. He was cool as hell. I liked him a lot. He just, he, and he, and he told me for my burrito, he was like, I was like, what should I get on here? He's like, he's like queso and I didn't get it because I just think that it's usually overwhelming. He's like queso, either the spicy queso or the

regular queso. And I was like, I'm not going to get it. It's just usually too overwhelming, but he, this guy was smooth and he knew his stuff and he was, and he was doing just a great job behind the counter. I will say this. Yes, that he forgot the mexican Caesar dressing and then he didn't put any cotilla cheese on there, which I think would have added to this thing, but he was making two things at once. He was, he was doing a knockout job. I didn't care. Anyways, he was doing a knockout job making that knockout taco. Jesus. Subliminally got in

your head. He was taco. He, he, he, he. First of all, we have a pocket. I threatened to cut off your head earlier and you didn't have any issue when you have a problem with the knockout tacos. Well, yeah, because I know you'll never do it. You have the guts. He wants me to so bad. The gladiator taco was great. I mean, even with the Mexican Caesar, which would have been a nice element to have and the cotilla cheese, right? It was, it was, it was a really, really good taco and just leagues better than, than what I experienced at Chipotle, unfortunately for my burrito.

I went with a ground beef. I went with kind of like an old school, the, the taco, the old, the oldest school taco filling I got in the burrito, a ground beef burrito. I did that with rice and beans, white rice and black beans. I was so torn on what to do. I think I thought I should have probably gotten pinto beans, but I went black beans, sour cream, cheese. And then I was like, anything else is there? And the guy was like guacamole. So I added guacamole in there. I also got onions in it. And I got, um, uh, what's it called? Uh, the tomato salsa.

Um, so, and I did the green salsa too. The, the, the, the, what's it called? Pico, what's it called? Salsa verde. Thank you. Um, my, my issue with this is that, and again, I love this guy. This was, it was busting with rice. It did, it, it, it, it kind of tore apart when I was eating it. That's a real problem. I went up and I asked for a side of the, um, of the verde and they gave it to me, which is nice. And then I also did get a side of, of cause I did the set Chipotle.

I got, I did get a side of regular queso and, and the chips. Um, but I, I still enjoy this burrito better. Even it, it, it, it did, it did have its faults. The, the shredded beef, the, I'm sorry, the ground beef was like, it had an interesting taste to it. Like it, it, it didn't, like I almost wished that it was kind of like more boring and just kind of like a regular taco bell ground beef. It was more boring. It was, it was, it was, it was very, it was very flavorful and kind of like meaty tasting. And I kind of just wish that it was, it, it, it, it, it wasn't exactly

what I wanted. That's all. Oh, and so, but, but still I still was like, I still enjoy this more than the Chipotle burrito. I couldn't believe it. I mean, like going, look, I'm not saying what's which side one so far. It's so clear what I mean. Yeah. It's so pretty. I didn't think that Chipotle was going to lose this round. I really did not. It's surprising, but I mean, I just have never heard much about Kadoba. Yeah. And so I was like, let's see how this queso is. The queso at Quedoba was way better than the Chipotle queso. I was queso is a real weak point. So I couldn't

believe it. Like I was like, this is flavorful and good. The chips. I was like you. I was like, I hadn't eaten anything all day, but I was like, I got so much food. I ate almost everything. Also a drink that's in the sideline. I got a diet cherry Coke because they had the Coke 360 machines, freestyle or whatever it is. But the, the burrito, I felt like it was on me for ordering. If I went there again, I would, I would get, I would maybe do like a steak or chicken or whatever. And I would ask for lighter on the rice, but still just a better,

even if, even though it was falling apart, still a better experience. The chips, the chips in queso were better. I thought actually the chips had a decent limey taste to them, Nick. It was like subtle. They, but they both have like a, like a hint of lime. It's more aggressive at Chipotle. I just feel like the Chipotle at least feels like, oh, there's something distinct here. Whereas I feel like those ones to me, they, they taste of like tostitos. So you guys both got queso at both places?

No, I didn't. The, and you just got it as an add on at Quedoba. Yes. But the queso at Chipotle, and I was like, you know what? I'm going to do it for the pod. Looking for ways to be like, I don't, I do like cheese. I do like queso. I looked at it and it at Chipotle and it did not look appetizing at all. It was just like a, a white like looked, it just looked, and this was the beginning of the day. Yeah. It's very, it just looks so bad. I will say this very chalky when I've had it. I didn't, I didn't, I know

that's bad. That's a bad scripture. I didn't taste the guacamole that much in the burrito. So I don't know. I don't know how that stands on its own because it was in there and I didn't really taste too much. And also when I went to the front counter, I was like, oh, I'm going to do the ground beef and that he just scooped it out of a thing. All the protein that were in like these, these four metal containers that they just scooped out of like Chipotle, but it almost like the display of it almost doesn't even look as good. No,

it's not. And so I was like, maybe this will be bad. Maybe this is, but then it, it just was, it was, it was better ingredients. There's no doubt about it. Like, and this is downtown. This is on Hope Street, which is like, this is like downtown Los Angeles. It's not a, it's not the nicest. It's, it's, it can get a little grimy downtown and, and, and, and, and so you think that like a Quedoba downtown would not be, but it was, it was good. It was good. It was better. It was much better. Wow. Yeah. I can't, I can't help it. It was, I mean, you're right. It's, it's clear that I can't believe

Chipotle fucking failed. I'm also, I'm, I'm to the point where I can't believe Chipotle's in business. Oh, I feel like there's going to be a mass. I feel like there's going to be a mass folding of Chipotle's. I feel like it's going to happen. Like it, like you could get a taco burrito anywhere. Yes. I know we're talking about chains, but like I'm like, how can they, like there's, there's not, and I realize I'm not getting any of the, the, the meat, but it's like, I don't, I don't understand how you could possibly be. Do you know what I think it is? I think, I think, I think it's burrito bowls in the salad. Yeah.

It's a place where you can get those Mexican flavors, but in a context without carbs, I think that's why it works in LA. And then also I think they, their online ordering is pretty good. So for, for work orders, I think people use it, but it's basically the same ingredients without a tortilla, which is still no ingreed or not a lot of flavor. Yeah. Not a lot to them. Absolutely. And I think that's a problem. The, the inside of the Kudobo was even nicer. I mean, I didn't even mind hanging out there as I waited for the guy to come and open my door. It was a great, it was, it was, it was a nice

extra. I look at fucking one. I mean, there's no doubt. I don't mean to be anti-climatic. I mean, I mean, yeah, I guess, I guess I think it's very clear on that note. It's, it's time to get to our decision. So here's how will this work? We'll just sort of, what is that? What does that sound? Oh my God. A new challenger is approaching. What? Oh my God. We have some surprise tacos brought in by you song from Kudoba's corporate owner, Jack in the Box. Wow. Oh, Jack owns Kudoba. Jack in the Box owns Kudoba outright. Jack in the Box tacos. Have their fans, myself included. We are going to try these out. And will this be a plus in

Kudoba's favor? Will this be a liability? We're going to see. Thank you, sir. You song, you got a couple of veggie ones for Tony, I believe. So they're all veggie. I asked them what they were made of and they said soy, but really, but then I've been Googling and it's not the internet hasn't come to a consensus. I think that guy was, it was saying something that he'd heard from an urban legend because I don't think those are vegetarian. I don't think these could possibly be vegetarian. I checked with the person that I was ordering the, from the drive-thru window and again with the cashier, there were two different people and both of them that

their regular tacos are vegetarian. Both of them said soy. I asked them if they were vegetarian and they were like, yeah, it's made with soy. However, like looking online, it's like, it's very unclear what the actual ingredients are. You know where I'm going? The source, Jack in the Box nutrition information, which they legally have to provide it as per the affordable care act. I was looking at that too and I couldn't, I still couldn't find it. Wait. So you, can I ask what, how'd you order? I'll be the person. All right. Can I have three orders of two tacos, please?

What kind of tacos would you like? Oh, they didn't say that. I don't mean to do a horrible yes ending. I just mean like they actually didn't say it's. Yeah, I'm going to get some notes in your USB class. So, so they, they didn't even ask that. And it was like, can I have a, can I, one of those two tacos be vegetarian? And then we had a huge misunderstanding. And then by the end I was like, Oh, so they're all made with soy. And the other person said yes.

You had a huge misunderstanding. What was this misunderstanding? Cause apparently they are vegetarian. And so me asking if I could get one of those orders vegetarian was a, was, was foolish in their eyes. Hmm. I don't believe, I think they have bad information. Can we call them right now? Yes. Is there a different, cause it sounds like you're going to get bad intel from them. I wonder if there's a different, I've just seen one of the tacos.

Okay. What do you think? Um, I wish there was no salsa. You sang your fired. Should I, should I call a different? I'll say, I'll say, I'll say my thoughts corporate chain. Um, I can't find info on the, they just have the, that seems insane. Yeah. They don't specifically say what the ingredients are on the website. They just have the, the nutrition stats and they have the allergen listing. And it's even hard to find where tacos are listed within their vast menu.

Burgers and more breakfast, better for you chicken and more. Maybe we'd be in that salads, snacks and sides. Okay. Here's the monster taco. Nacho monster taco. You saw him by the way as a hero. He ran out during the record to get these taco. He's also on the phone. Taco regular allergies. SMW that is

at milk, soy and wheat. So it is soy is included, but that doesn't necessarily say that soy is the sole protein. I'm not sure I'm suspicious. What I'll say about the Jack in the Box tacos, they do have American cheese, which I really like and I think works really well for this sort of that they're trashy, but they're trashy in a delicious way. The smell meat or not smells good.

Yeah, or maybe it's like a familiar thing because I used to get high a lot and friends would go to the Jack in the Box and and this is like, I just had a question. Are the two tacos vegetarian? Oh, wait, I'm so sorry. Could you say that one more time? Are the two tacos made with meat at all? It's very soy meat, soy meat, soy meat, soy meat.

Okay. So there's no, there's no actual animal product in it. Okay, great. Thank you so much. That was a different Jack in the Box. That was a different Jack in the Box. Tony, if you don't feel safe, I wouldn't eat it. Yeah, I wouldn't either just because there was this one answer on Google that was like someone at Jack in the Box took a picture of the box and it said contains like a beef, even though it was a vegetarian option.

I've heard it was a mixture of chicken and another protein, like either pork or beef. This is weird. What is the meat in the Jack in the Box taco? This is this is this is this is a Nick. This is like a what was the burger place? That's a shake the steak and shake. Yeah, this is a steak and shake shake situation we have here where I don't know like a big glory style mystery, but glory.

The enigmatic person who acquired the steak and shake chain. Yeah, I have no idea. All right. Well, I guess we should get into it. It says all this shit. What is the Yahoo Answers? Yahoo Answers. Don't trust the Yahoo Answers. It says the main ingredient is beef, textured vegetable protein and grits.

Hmm. And grits. There's a lot of there's a lot of different and grits. Yeah, I guess there's a lot. Is this for texture? Yeah, grits. I guess the the cornmeal substance. Yeah, I don't know.

That's it's very strange. Grits are cornmeal, right? I think so. Yeah. Am I thinking polenta? I can't tell. I really don't know. I'm going to lick the other there is.

Tony is legitimately licking the shell of the of the of the tortilla. I think there is I think there is beef. I think there is beef too. I have a beef with these Yahoo's. Yeah, who answers and I think these these soy people are are wrong. I think they're I think it's incorrect. It's wrong. I think that I think they have circulated internally an urban legend

that originated outside the chain and I think they've actually interrogated what their product is and I'm not putting it on the workers, but I'm just saying like I don't think Jack in the box is a good job of disseminating what if you're allergic? Yeah, that seems crazy. It is crazy. Well, the outside tasted fine. I mean like a shell, right?

If I'm going to do my review. Yeah, let's smells good outside fine. So not so kind of the opposite of Mitch. That's how it was going down. I ate both of my tacos. I don't know if there was ever a question that I wouldn't. Yeah, I'll say this for someone who got this for another place that got booted from I the neck.

You're spilling the damn toppings all over the table. That's not. It's yeah. That's insane. Look at my place is spotless over here. Oh my gosh. I put all the garbage in my room. There is.

It needs a little bit more sauce. I wish there was a side sauce. I thought you just said there. I wish there wasn't sauce. Oh, no, I wish there was. I wish there was a side sauce because there's a little bit of salsa on there, but there's not enough. It's a little spicy.

A lot of times it goes with a taco sauce packet, which helps it quite a bit. You know what? I thought it was going to. I thought these were going to help Kudo because I do love them. I ate both of them. They're just such a trashy. They're like fried. I think they're fried with everything in them.

Yeah, which I love. They're insane. I thought they were going to help. But then this whole this whole soy versus meat thing is hurting it. I think it's only because they don't know. It's only this is the first. I mean, I've kind of heard that before, but this is the first time I feel like. Excuse me.

Do you burp from the licking of the taco? But I feel like contacting employees. Like if you're allergic to something, I mean, this could be a serious. I guess we have to get to the bottom of this. Even absent an allergy. It's just like if you're someone who doesn't eat meat for ethical reasons or religious reasons or, you know, specifically or pork specifically, which are two possibilities of this.

Wow. It's coming in. It's an issue. I thought I was because I love these. I love. I loved quit. I love Quedobas tacos. And then these coming in.

I was like, this is going to be a knockout punch. Even if Chipotle isn't already on the ground, knock out in the brain. I do have knockout in the brain. It was going to it was going to these were this was going to be game over. Yeah, with the with these tacos coming on. But now I don't know what these tacos supposed to do. It was a new challenger. New challenger.

Oh, it was a new challenger by the. Oh, like Smash Brothers. We like Smash Brothers. We just want to play the sound effect from Smash Brothers. Okay. So I think it's very clear. Quedobo one, Jack and Mox two, Chipotle eight. Well, we do our judging system, Mitch.

That's right. I mean, so we'll go. Sure. Do you want to do you want to do you want to spell this out for everyone? We've talked about this on this with this week's this double this year. Our scoring system. It's a celebration of refs referees. Oh my God, cool.

How could basketball go on without referees? Finally, we you know about the people who are usually they get a lot of grief from the fan. Oh, chugging on a taco. They get a lot of grief from you. All right. Yeah, they get a lot of they get a lot of grief from the fans and from the players and the coaches, but we're going to put the spotlight on them and

celebrate referees. Okay, so our scoring system is broken down into five white stripes in five black stripes representing the referees famous t-shirt, the black and white referee shirt. If it's a so the white the white the white stripes are for tacos. Yes, the black stripes or for burritos. If you get a perfect five and five for each ten stripes, that's a full shirt. That's a perfect score.

A perfect shirt score. And then also we'll be awarding the golden whistle, which is the best chips and salsa. Yes. For each place. And then also the loser, once we get to that, we'll get Chipotle will be fed will be will be fed by the ref Dennis Leary to Bruce the shark Joss. Is that right, Nick?

It will be ultimately, but for now it goes down to the loser's bracket and fat chance kitchen where we'll have a chance to reenter the tournament with a second showing. Yeah, so zero to ten. I'm sorry, zero to five ref stripes, zero to five white stripes for tacos, zero to five black stripes for burritos. And then what's your golden whistle recipient? Tony Charlene will begin with you.

Okay, great. Thank you. I know you just reviewed this. Yes. What's what's the tacos? White stripes. White stripes. Yeah.

Okay, great. How could you forget that? For Chipotle, I'm going to be generous. And I'm going to say two. Wow. Yeah. This ref is going to be naked for the burrito because of the guac because of the tortilla.

I do it, Nick. I know you don't like a gummy tortilla. I do like a soft tortilla. I didn't get the tofu and I didn't get the queso. So I mean, comparatively, but it's, it's give me something like I was digging the rice out of there and the beans because there was no flavor. And for, I was just very disappointed. I don't know why I put it, not necessarily on a pedestal, but was like looking

forward to it. I, I'm going to say, um, you know what? My taco, I'm going to downgrade to one and a half. Wow. And my burrito, I'm going to give two. Wow. And that's generous. And that's for Chipotle.

Do I go in? Yeah. Go to Cudoba as well. Cudoba. Okay. So I did get the queso, the guac. There's no extra charge for that. I said the atmosphere, very welcoming, uh, and nice.

I got a wheat tortilla that was also soft. Uh, it did. Oh, okay. I'm, I'm bouncing back and forth. We'll go with burrito first. Uh, I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it four stripes. Four stripes. I'm going to give it four stripes.

Uh, and for the taco, um, you know, fell apart. I don't, I, I, I don't know why we keep doing this of putting all these ingredients in these small tacos. It's, it's, it's pointless. Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. What are we, what are we doing?

Um, but it did have, uh, some nice taste to the vegetables. Uh, and was great. And I'm going to give it, uh, two. Two. Okay. Well, I feel it. Two and a half. Two and a half.

And this, and that. So, and we'll, we'll save your file. We'll save a final decision for the end, but do you have a golden whistle recipient? So I think it's unfair for me to do it. I didn't know we were doing chips and salsa, Mitch. Uh, and I had shoved a bunch of food in my, uh, gullet between now and when you asked me when we thought it was. So I think it would be unfair for me to give a golden whistle, but you know what,

I'm going to give it to Kido. Wow. I thought you were going to say the breath swallows the whistle, but Kido, but gets it. Nick. Um, for me, this is tough because. Okay. I'll start with, I'll start with Chipotle.

Um, man, those tacos are just whack. I never, ever, ever, ever get a taco from Chipotle. God 1.75 white stripes. Wow. Just not good. I'm sorry. Burrito. I have, if we weren't, if I go with my chicken burrito, I'm going like 3.75.

I mean, it's the reason that we, this place got into the golden plate club to begin with. And now I'm just thinking of how it is lately, but I got to add in this. I got it. I also have to add in the fact that I only really like the chicken burrito there. The steak burrito is bad. I wonder how barbaco burrito is if, if, if, you know, when we go down to, to

Fatchy and sketch and maybe I'll, I'll try something like that, but I'm going to go with the burrito today for Chipotle. Today I'm going to do three and a quarter black stripes. Wow. Still a decent. Not bad. Yeah. I'm shocked.

Quedoba. Here we go. The burrito gets three black stripes. Wow. I think Chipotle and I am. Look, this was my first Quedoba burrito experience. So I, you got to take that into consideration. Tacos from Quedoba, four and a quarter white stripes really fucking destroyed

Chipotle. Wow. And then if you add on those shitty Jack in the box tacos, they sure the whole protein issue kind of was a, was a subtraction, but they're good too. Yeah. Golden whistle. It's got to go over. I know that the queso thing.

I know it doesn't come, but for me chips and I had some of the salsa. I had some of the, the, the green salsa, salsa verde. I got to go with Quedoba too. It's getting, it's getting the whistle. Wow. It's getting the whistle. I'll, I'll speed through mine. Cause I think we, I've said my thoughts in exhaustive manner.

I will say, I do want to, do want to note that I had a queso joke that I was trying to get out early. They didn't get to say, so I'm going to take my opportunity to say it now. Please. Do you need a setup or anything? No, I can just set it up. Uh, boy, all this talk of queso. I had that much queso.

I'd get a queso the rumblies. So, so, uh, anyway, I would say, how long have you been sitting on that? About 20 minutes. Okay. You guys originally talked about queso. And you had time to think. Yeah. Okay.

Great. Yeah. Yeah. I had time to think about how good it was. We're saying. Um, so. All right. In case you didn't know.

It wasn't worth it. No, I liked it. Um, yeah. Chipotle's taco was wack. One white stripe. Wow. No May. Uh, the, uh, black stripes.

I'll give it. I'll give it three because it was a fine. They're pretty good. Three black stripes for Chipotle for their burrito. Uh, a cutoba taco was good. And you know what? I would say I love Jack of the box tacos for me. That's an extra talk.

It's an extra stripe for white stripes. Nice. And, uh, their burrito, I think it honestly was about on par, but maybe just a little bit better than Chipotle's, I'm going to say three and a half black stripes, uh, partly because they just, the proportion of ingredients was a better execution. Golden whistle.

I'm going to just send from you guys. I think it's Chipotle. I think their salsas are better. And I think their chips are a little bit more distinct, but cute. I had a nice setting and I, you know, popular will. It's two to one. Uh, it goes to Q Doba.

So congrats on the golden whistle that you're walking away with. I want to take mine back and give it to Baja. Wow. To Baja. Wow. You know what? I will also give mine to Baja fresh. Baja fresh gets the golden whistle this round.

I, my golden whistle is, I agree with you, but the green tomatillo chilies, the green tomatillo chili sauce is the only thing I salsa is the only one that I like at Chipotle. And it does give me the rumblies. And I thought that the, I thought that the, um, the Sverde at Q Doba was better. And I thought the queso knocked it out of the park.

So I, I, I'm sticking with Q Doba. Right. But I think if you do a big breakdown, I don't know, maybe, maybe, maybe it's pretty close for the golden whistle. Well, let's count down from three and say our winner in unison. No, we're saying our loser. We're saying our unison or loser in unison that is going to be

sent to the three say Chipotle. Yeah. Okay. Three, two, one Chipotle. Nick, we got an underdog in the tournament with Q Doba Q Doba is now an underdog. I'll say this. If Dennis Leary, the ref fed Chipotle to Jaws, the shark Bruce,

I would, I agree with Tony that he may not even know that he ate anything. Yeah, which is dangerous with Jaws. Now he's going to be eaten. He's still hungry. Jaws. Okay. What didn't he explode or no?

He did. He did explode. He's still live for the purpose of this. That was a film. Oh, okay. Great. Now that I know that.

Cool. Now that I know this ref, the actual, the actual Jaws shark is alive and well. I'm going to go ahead and place bets. Chipotle loses. I don't know how this tournament works out. Fat chance kitchen. Yeah.

It's a losers bracket. And then they're going to. Okay. Chipotle is relegated to the, to the, to fat chance kitchen, which is now going up against, we can say it, against green burrito. Yeah. It's going up against green burrito, which was determined on this previous, this, uh, previous episode.

And let me just tell you, that's a Chipotle. If you lose out on green burrito, I'm embarrassed for you. Boy, that's a real, that's a real shit fest. Green burrito versus Chipotle. Whoever, whoever wins our toilet loses. Uh, well, can you know what moving on Chipotle relegated to the fat chance kitchen? I did not think it was going to happen.

Honestly, I didn't think this was going to be the, I did not think this was going to be the outcome. Yeah. Well, uh, you know, here we are. And hey, it's, it's time for a segment. We got a food stuff. We're going to decide if it should put in your mouth. It's snack or whack.

And Tony, you brought us some ice cream. Yes. Yesterday. Technically yesterday. So it's been sitting in Mitch's freezer. Oh, freezer. Shit. I put it in the sink.

You saw, watch out. Meet my fallout. Okay. Get it. Didn't. He has a bunch of meat. And that's all of it. There's, there's four containers.

Oh, very exciting. You should just leave the, you should just leave the chocolate container in the fridge because that's fucking mine. Did you have some? So Mitch got scared last night. There was a lightning storm. Um, and he was texting us and asked if he could eat some of his, the cats, the cats are scared of the lightning storm.

Mitchell is worried that it was a terminator coming back to kill me. So I got these as a gift. Um, it's from magpies. Wow. They're all vegan. Yeah. I know. But it is good.

And I am not. Yeah. One to be like, you can't even taste it. It's different. Right. Um, it truly is. Uh, thanks buddy. Good.

Thank you. Uh, you saw, go ahead and grab yourself a spoon. I got one of, I got one specifically for you. Also those other ice. Yeah. Those two in the fridge use on her for, for this as well. Not just. Not just my fucking personal ice cream.

Um, so it's really good. I think it's, it's LA native. I don't know if there are other, uh, ones. The name is cool. Magpie. Magpies. Sounds like a Zelda name. There's two in LA.

So, so going through these, I got, I just said it sounds like a Zelda name. And I sure it can be an animal. Oh boy. I think Magpies exist in our world. It's not like an octa rock. It's not a made up character. I was thinking MAG dash pie.

Oh fuck it. All right. Let's just eat the ice cream for God's sake. Oh, Tony, you go on. Sorry. Um, do you want me to tell you, well, these are just pints. The other ones are, it is like soft serve. It's, it's super good.

Um, for these are in the pints and then a two more I got today. So very exciting. This darker one is toasted marshmallow. Wow. Um, this is called lady gray, which is, uh, supposed to be like an Earl gray. Oh, okay. Love it.

Um, I, uh, as a gift, I got these and my intention was a sweet rice for you song. Uh, corn almond, which is one of my favorites. Oh yeah. Very exciting. Mocha for Emma. I wasn't sure if she liked it and then what, what's that Mitch? We got midnight chocolate over here. And then midnight chocolate over there.

Wow. Mine. But let's all, let's all do mine. You're such a baby, Mitch. Wait. Wait. I'm a little baby. Um, so yeah.

All right. So corn almond, I'm excited to dig into this. Of course you are. I like a corn ice cream. Oh my God. So this is supposed to be soft serve. It is, but it's been in the freezer. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah. So the texture has been affected a little bit. The texture has been affected. But these other two, I feel like you can get. Well, okay. The midnight chocolate is very good. This is really yummy. This reminds, I have a very specific flavor memory.

This reminds me of like the ice cream bars I would get off the truck by where it goes swimming as a kid. It's like, it has that very like a, it's kind of just sort of sweet, creamy flavor. It's kind of hard to identify what it is knowing that it's corn almond. I can kind of pick it out, but honestly, just towards more sort of tastes like just like sweet cream more than anything. How about you would watch kids swim? I wasn't watching.

Open kids from afar. You'd get too hot and you needed an ice cream. I wasn't there as an adult man watching children swim. Or your lives weren't working. So you thought you'd try the ice cream. I was there as a boy taking a dip with my companions, my friends. Fucking creep. Nick, are you going to hand us your corn ice cream for God's sake?

I just spilled. Hold on. Oh my God. Okay, here we go. Of course you did. Thanks you song. This is good. This is quite good.

Uh, to me, the corn almond tastes a little bit like, um, if you drink the milk out of eating cereal, like, uh, like corn flakes, it is like, and that actually might be what they're going. That mocha is hard. It's hard to tell that the mocha is not like it's hard to tell them the mocha is a vegan ice cream. Mm hmm. See.

It is. Which one is this one? Wait. So we've got the mocha is being sent my way. Tony, what are you working on right now? I don't, I don't know now. This is, this is a, I don't like the, this is a mess. That's either the sticky rice or the, um, sticky rice.

Or the corn one. Where's the corn one? Oh, that's Nick hasn't had sticky rice. No, that's the corn one. Okay. Right. Yeah. I just tried the Earl gray.

I don't love it. No. Not, not at all. You saw it. I got it more tap. Yes. This is corn almond. You saw your tea enthusiast.

What do you think of that Earl gray? Oh, it was good. That's the gray lady. Of course. Yeah. Like the New York times. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

It tastes like newspaper. Oh, I don't like it at all. I don't like the, I don't like the Earl gray, the like gray lady. I don't know. Yeah. I don't have some problems with Michael Barbara. No. Why are they giving Brett Stevens column space?

Oh boy. Is this the lines you would use at the pool? All right. All right. This is the way. Is this the Earl gray I'm having? I think that's the toasted marshmallow. No.

It's toasted marshmallow. What the fuck is going on here? You're not keeping track and you're spilling. Oh my God. It does taste like, it does, it does taste like. That's pretty good. It does taste like corn. It does taste like the milk of corn.

It's crazy. Boy, you get that. This, the, the texture of these non-prepacked soft serves. It's like biting into a cloud. It's just lovely. Yeah. It's so good. I'm telling you it's so good.

I wish I could do that for real to bite into an actual cloud. Brought down some plates. Try. You saw when you hand me that please? Yeah. Thank you. Boy, that mocha is a home run. What do you think of the rice one?

I think the rice one, the rice one tasted exactly like vanilla to me. Yeah. You didn't have as much as. But, but I thought it was very good. I can't believe that this is all vegan. Right. Yeah. It's a really, it's a nice little magic trick.

I didn't like the two, the two ones that weren't pints. I didn't like. By the way, Mitch. Mm hmm. I want to return to something from earlier. So we had a meeting scheduled. You remember for this interview? Mm hmm.

Do you know what time we had that, that interview scheduled to start? What time? 430. Do you know what time it is now? 440. It's 439. Yeah. It just turned to 440.

There's no way we would have made it. We would have had a half hour drive this other location. I was right to- First of all, it's not a half an hour drive. It also- One and a half hour drive this time. It was fine to switch it to 5 p.m. It would have been fine to switch it to 5.

I said that was fine. How fun is this? These are, these are delightful eyes. Sonny, we had the midnight chocolate again. I think it, the mocha or- Was this one? Yeah. Oh, that's what I was having.

I was having the midnight chocolate, not the mocha. The midnight chocolate's really good. You want to try the mocha? Yeah, give me the mocha. Thank you so much. Jesus, Nick. This is the one I haven't had. Yeah.

These are all, these are all delicious. I had snacks all around. I definitely like the, I definitely prefer the soft serve texture. But even these pre-backed pints are quite nice. And you know, if you're vegan, this absolutely gets the job done. It does a great job of simulating the ice cream you know and love that's loaded with dairy. Any, any favorites from the bunch? What's a magpie?

It's a bird, right? Oh, no. Yeah, I think it's a bird. I think it's a, it's a crow-like bird. Let me look it up. I would say again, Cornell, I'm being redundant. Cornellman would be my favorite. Cornellman's very interesting.

It's my favorite too. I don't think it's my favorite, but it is a very interesting taste. Mocha or the, or the midnight chocolate. I think I'm going to go midnight chocolate just because I love chocolate is number one. Mocha two, then the corn almonds three. And, but I did, I'd enjoy the rice one. Maybe I'll take another bite of that rice one. Yeah.

Is that it? I thought the, the, the two favorites for me were the midnight chocolate and the old gray. The, the corn was too sweet for me. You guys, you guys got a bunch of sweet tooth in here. Okay. All right. Thanks for having me on.

Get back in your closet. Um, the black and white Eurasian magpie is widely considered one of the most intelligent animals in the world and one of only a few non-mammal species able to recognize itself in a mirror test, which is, I admit you can't do that. Yeah, I know. You gotta be impressed. Wait, you can't do what? Pass a mirror test.

What's a mirror test? What, what is this? You know how, Mitch, you know how you look in a mirror and you're like, Hey, that guy's looking at me, but it's actually, you don't realize that it's actually you. They're, that's not how they are. They know that it's them. They understand that. Fuck you.

All right. I like, I like this one and I'm keeping it like Tony said. You suck. You can have, congrats on the sticky rice one, which is my four. I think that is my fourth favorite. It's just vanilla. You can have, you can have the, yeah. You can have whatever you want.

You suck. Oh my God. Thank you. Except for unless Weigher wants a corn dog. No, I'm good. I don't need any of this. I don't need any of this to go. I'm too.

Not even for your lovely wife. I'm not going to get, it's not going to have an easy way to get it home. I'm going to go all the way across town. What? It's just going to be, this is going to melt. I don't have any sort of weight. Are you going to be holding it in your hands? It's a fucking 40 minute drive with ice cream.

You think it's going to survive? I think it will be fine. I don't think it's going to be fine. I think it will be fine. I don't think I have an easy way to get it home. Take one of these little bags here. I'll think about it. By the way, I was going to, speaking of stuff I was going to do,

I was going to do a cover of the Everly Brothers dream, but change it to cream for this, but I ran out of time. Oh. Oh, do it in motion. Why don't you just try it right now? Cream. Cream, cream, cream, cream.

Cream, cream, cream. Cream, cream, cream. When I want ice cream, all I want to do is cream. All right, great. Nice. You're right. Wow.

To all you people listening out there, thinking about how Wyger does so much work for the podcast. For everybody thinking that. Wait, 200 people just deleted their Patreon pledges. Oh my God. This is an alive episode. Yeah, I know. I just like a restaurant.

You buy your feedback. Let's open the feedback. Daisy Mail comes to us from SPD. SPD writes, I've noticed something interesting happens when I eat chocolate chip cookies, then smoke from an oil pan shortly after. It's hard to explain,

so can Hyger or someone who smokes weed, try this on an app. A free one, please. Use Tate's Chalk Chip and Gelato, the weed, Roast Blob Kunkowski, shout out you song. What the fuck?

This guy was high out of his mind. SPD, more like CBD. This guy was a fucking blitz. Nice. Cool CBD. Is that the one that doesn't get you high? Yeah, but we get it. Tony, I picked this one out because I know that you're

someone who likes the sticky icky. Yeah, buddy. Have you ever had an experience where you're having like a food stuff and it's specifically affected by whether you consume weed immediately thereafter or beforehand? Okay, I'm sorry. So just so I understand the question,

have I eaten a food that's like, I want to get high? I think what's happening here is this guy's... Is that what you're saying? The specific issue with this guy is he's eating these cookies, then he's smoking from an oil pen, and then it's like tripping him out somehow. And I'm wondering, has that ever happened where

there's a specific food where it's just like, I'm eating this and then smoking weed in rapid succession or vice versa, and it's provoking a specific... It's a feeling for me. Like something weird is about... Something about this combo isn't working. Or is working well.

And like the anti... You know what? It's funny because there is like some stuff like when I would smoke weed, when I used to smoke weed. You don't smoke anymore? I don't smoke anymore. I don't smoke anymore.

Like panic attacks or something? Yeah, basically. You get it. I used to... Back in the day, you knew I would even do it back then. Oh, yeah. You get high as hell. I was a high machine, Nick.

A regular high machine. He was a fucking elevator. I sound more fucking of a square than you, Nick. I used to smoke it up, but there was some stuff that I like weirdly wouldn't crave. You know what I mean? Like when I was too high, I was like, I don't want to like go eat and like get messy

blowings or something like that. Like things that will get you messy or even too stuffed. But on the other side of that, I remember sophomore year when I smoked probably the most weed in my life of college. And I should clarify that. And eating...

My friend, Dank, his nickname was Dank, brought over apples and peanut butter. And we would eat slices of apples and peanut butter. And we'd eat crackers and cheese, and it was so much better. Man, it tasted so good. And what's Dank up to now? Is he an astronaut?

And be honest. Dank is doing well. He's great. Right. He's a great guy. State senator. He has a daughter. He's doing great.

Oh, that's great. Good for him. Little Dank. Her name is not Dank. It's Dankette. She rules like Dank. I feel like this will get pretty cheap. I mean, to be...

I would get high, and I would eat... I would eat pizza or cheese or something because I love it. And then I would think the process of it and it would fuck me up. Of where... I think especially when I would get high,

I'd be like, wait, what the fuck is this? Like cow's breast milk? It would really... It would just be too much to think about. But is it partly just the weirdness of it or the ethical quandary would like... Both of it.

Oh, got it. Excuse me. Both aspects. Both aspects. You know what's funny is that I wouldn't do... When I smoked marijuana as opposed to when I drank, when I drank, I want to have a burrito or Wendy's or McDonald's or pizza.

I want fucking a meal or heavy stuff. With weed, that wasn't like a thing. Smoking weed would have made me gain weight with the munchies and stuff. The munchies would be more snack-based. Like chips and stuff? Like chips are like... It would be something satisfying,

whatever I was craving and it would be satisfying. But I could eat a lot of it, but it would be that sort of thing. It would just be like a lot of apples and peanut butter or whatever, like a specific thing that I would just be snacking on in the room. Or like mac and cheese, I feel like I could just... Easy mac or something or...

Full mac. Full mac. That's good. Mac and cheese is a good one. I think that's a nice... I love mac and cheese. You got to go hard mac. That easy mac is like...

I know, easy mac. I was just thinking specifically my sophomore year of college when easy mac was at its height. You sang, you get high, buddy? I get high like two or three times a month to go to bed. That's fun. Do you tuck yourself in? I always make my bed in the morning.

That's not a joke. Oh, I love that. That's great. And yeah, my pen charges via USB. That's so fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not one of those. Yeah, everybody's having a good time with that.

I make my bed... Both daylight savings days, I'll make my bed. Ooh, it's coming up then. Fuck, I really don't want to do it. If you have a question or comment about the world of chain restaurants, you can email us at dowboyspodcasts at gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at 830-go-dow. That's 830-463-6844.

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What a pleasure. Thank you for eating so much Mexican food in such rapid succession. Thank you for coming to Mitch's place on the wrong day and then subsequently on the right day. It's all his fault. And thank you for your review and your insight. Is there anything you would like to plug at this time? A podcast I have nothing to do with and it's very successful.

It's just great and I like it. A word shatter. Whoa, okay. I like that. Check it out. Is it about Oscar movies? Yeah, it's a... Oh, I forgot his name.

Great interview. A great journalist interviewing great stars. It's a great podcast. Check it out. The most bizarre plug we've ever gotten, but maybe the most endearing. Yeah. I like it.

Check out Poodles. They're great. The dog. Yeah. They're really funny. They are funny. Yeah. I forgot the Oscars had happened because there was no host or anything.

I just forgot that it even happened. Right. Yeah. Well. Well, anyways, that's that. I didn't watch. Of course you didn't. Do you care about this industry?

Well, you didn't either, Mitch. You forgot they happened. I did. I watched. I did watch. But I think there might be something wrong with me, but we can get into that in another episode. Yeah.

I get like weird memory lapses too. Is there something happening to both of us? It's aging. Hi. Yeah. No, it's the aging process. You get older and your brain rots and like, I can't remember like what...

Like people ask me, what did you do this week? And I was like, I have no idea. So you don't know. Canada is just like a whole... It's like a gray block of time in my head. Well, not to make this the darkest ending ever,

but if this continues to happen, I'm going to put an end to this. That'll do it for this episode of Doughboyz. I'm not excited for this week, but I'll have Nick Weigher happy. Good to see ya.