Doughboys - Pinkberry 2 with Grant Dekernion and Patty Guggenheim

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Grant Dekernion (@grantdekernion) and Patty Guggenheim (@patriscuit) of Twisted Metal join the 'boys to talk pod drivers, musical instruments, and old video games before a review of Pinkberry.Watch this episode at youtube.com/doughboysmediaGet ad-free episodes at patreon.com/doughboysGet Doughboys merch at kinshipgoods.com/doughboysAdvertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fmSources for this week's intro:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-aug-04-et-pinkberry-story.htmlhttps://www.tmz.com/2010/01/10/pinkberry-co-founders-marriage-loses-flavor/https://abcnews.go.com/US/pinkberry-founder-accused-beating-homeless-man/story?id=15378930https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-pinkberry-sentenced-20140315-story.htmlEXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/doughboys Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. Want to watch this episode? Check it out on our YouTube channel by going to YouTube.com slash doughboys media. In August of 2006, the Los Angeles Times published a story with the headline, The Taste that launched a thousand parking tickets. The article profiled a new West Hollywood frozen yogurt shop co-founded by Shelley Huang, a Korean immigrant and USC Bills. business school graduate, and her romantic partner, Young Lee, a fellow Korean immigrant with a background in nightclub design. Their co-lab yielded an aesthetically pleasing decor in a similarly sleek, minimalist menu, built around just two flavors, plain and green tea with fresh

fruit as toppings. The ostensibly healthy sweet treatery served as a bug light for the yoga pants set, lines of wealthy Angelenos wrapped around the block and paparazzi photographed Lindsey Lowen and Paris Hilton copying the Frogert. The brand was so hot, it quickly spawned a clone competitor, even down to the color plus fruit brand name, red mango. But as it opened enough locations to meet demand, first in L.A., then internationally, controversy naturally arose. It battled allegations that Wong's bespoke recipe did not contain enough active cultures to meet the legal standard for yogurt. And in 2010, after the company received an infusion of cash from pathetic Starbucks ghoul Howard Shultz. Huang filed from divorce from co-founder Lee, and then in

2012, Lee was arrested for horrifically beating an unhoused panhandler with a tire iron. He would serve seven years in prison for the assault. But the main reason for brand atrophy seemed to be simple loss of interest. In the 2010s, the company was surpassed by Froyo competitors like Yogurtland that swapped streamlined simplicity for good old American excess, offering dozens of flavors and toppings, sold by the weight in glorified personal troughs. Then, those brands themselves cycled out as proper ice cream parlors reasserted their dominance over GERP. Still, the SoCal yogurt purveyor founded by Korean-American immigrants has endured, now under the corporate stewardship of Canada-based Kahala brands, which also owns Blimpy and Coldstone. While no longer a mecca for

moneyed L.A. trendsetters, it's become a staple of mall food courts. And when you're enjoying its irresistible combo of frozen yogurt and mix-ins at your local shopping center, just remember that one of the founders beat a homeless guy with a tire iron. Jesus Christ! This week on dough boys, we return to Pinkberry. Welcome to Do Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Tiger Weiger, along with my co-host, Meal Diamond, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. All right. That's nice.

This isn't even really a roast. That's not that mean. This isn't even really a roast. It's a pretty cool nickname for a food personality, TBH. And the Spoon Man is surely familiar with roast inspiration Neil Diamond, whose anthemic Sweet Caroline is a signature song at the Red Sox's Fenway Park in Boston. That's true, Oggs. A city young Mike Mitchell was raised near. Oh.

That is true. This is true. I was born in the city, St. Margaret. And you grew up in Quincy, Massachusetts, as you've talked about. Keep up the good fork at Grip Grand. Our friend Grip Grand. Oh, we'd like Grip Grand. P.S., there was a suggestion from the boys after they read my last on-air roast, Tom Cruise,

that Grip Grand is a horny name. While they would never deny being horny, it is actually, for better or for worse, a rap name stream grip grand wherever music is found sorry to disappoint thank you all for the best podcast especially the dais mainly the dais thank you only to the dais okay grip grand i don't know if we can stream it because maybe grip grand will this is this trick to get to sue us yeah let's not do that we give them a shout at that's enough yeah could grip grand just not you could be a rapper and horny that's true that is also true honestly i would say generally that that tends to correlate yeah I feel like I feel like there's a lot of horny around.

You ever see Nellie's tip drill video? It's horny as hell. I haven't seen it. So are we going to stream these things or what? How you doing, Wags? I'm hanging in there. How you doing? I'm all right.

Oh, Mitch. What's going on? You asked me how I was doing so you can talk about how you're doing clearly. Do you want this truth? Yeah, tell us. I'm on the Epstein list. Well, you should be happy. They're not going to release it.

I know. I probably shouldn't tell people, but I just found out today I'm on the Epstein list. Talks yourself as being on the Epstein list and it was going to be under lock and key. I know. You were this close to getting away with everything. I know.

Why am I doing this right now? You want to be caught. That's the issue. You wanted it to be public so you could be associated with all these other high-end celebrities and feel like you're in the same group. Guess what number I am on it? One. Oh, you're at the top of list.

Yeah. But I don't know, it's not alphabetical, so I don't know how I got up there, but anyway, I didn't see anything, I didn't see anything at all. But, like, my friend offered me, like, a ride on his plane, and I took it a few times, and that's, you know, and now I'm on the list. So. To the island? Yes. We did go to the island, but I didn't see anything, okay? So, but, uh, what would you do on the island?

What activities are? We don't have to get into this. I'm just, I'm on the list. brought this up. I know. You brought this all upon yourself. Yeah. I shouldn't have done it. No, you shouldn't have. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have. You were so close to getting away with it. I know. I mean, whatever. It's fine. He's a good guy. He's doing well. So.

I guess I guess what we're in this territory, Mitch I'm on the list. I know. I was going to say. Well, not the Epstein list. Senna's naughty list. Been a bad little boy. See, I'm not on the naughty list, which proves you, even though I'm not on the naughty list, which proves you even though I am on the Epstein list. Well, because then now that's making me wonder, is Santa on that Epstein list? Well, guess what? He's

number two. Oh, boy. I think that they, I think they made the list from most Santa like to least Santa like. So me and then Santa. You were a degree too far in the Tim Allen transformation montage? Okay. They're pushing it. I'm doing all right. I'm hung over, dude. Yeah, I know you were saying this. You said you were hung over. Dude, I'm fucking hungover. It's a Tuesday. Why did you tie one on? last night. What were you doing? Monday night. Wild Night in Hollywood, my man. What did you do?

Me and the boys, we went to the Scii Celebrity Center, Scientology Celebrity Center. Okay. Now you're okay. And then we went out for some drinks. I went and saw a naked gun. A lot of fun. And it was funny. Very funny. And then I went and tied one on, baby.

Who were you hanging out with her? Do you not want to docks everyone? No, I'll dox everybody. Who do you want me to docks? I don't know. Social Security numbers. Let's go. I was with, Stavros was with us and he took off. Yeah. And then Neil, Calpacus, Tim Calpacus. We had one Greek representative there.

Geardner, Scott Geardner, and Ryan Stangerbott. What a crew. The boys. It was a boys night. Yeah. No ladies came. But none were invited. I thought we didn't see any.

Yeah, tied one on, Wags went a little wild, but it was a, but I'm feeling good now. I'm ready to do the show. I'm fucking, I'm ready to do the show. You know, the last time I really, because I never do this, last time I really like, like, partied slash tied one on, so I just went out to a bar for too late, passed my bedtime, was with you. Yes. And Dutton, and this was after we saw the thing at the academy. That's right. Yes.

Yeah. And we went to, what, was it Molly Malone? No, we went to Tom Bergens. Tom Bergens, right. Legendary bar. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Maybe that's why you got on the naughty list. Maybe it was, maybe you party a little too hard that night.

That was a great night. And you don't do that often. I don't. I was honored that you did it with us. Apparently doing it all the time. No, this is not normal for me to be hungover on a Tuesday afternoon. But what is your, so you're hungover, you tied one on your parlance. You get up in the next morning.

What are you doing? Are you someone who was like, like, I got to get like a bacon egg and cheese, you know, I got to go to Duncan. What do you do? No matter what, alarm going off at 7 a.m. I'm up. I'm up. I woke up around 10 today and then maybe closer to 10.30. I mean, that's a great. Gatorade? What do you do? That's a great question. I always, I love Gatorade. Like, I love Gatorade anyways, but my fierce strawberry Gatorade is a great hangover drink. It's like little nectar. And then I do like some sort of greasy. Grease work.

I had a cheeseburger today. I went to, I forget the name of the place. Okay. I forgot the name of the place. I was trying to think of it. I'll think of it eventually. But I got a cheese. Wendy's?

Oh, yeah, Wendy's. The Girl Mask. Yeah, it was Wendy's. Yeah. I went to like kind of a fancier place. Okay. And I met a friend for lunch. Fun.

And, um, let me see here. North Hollywood. Uh, uh, no, this is, this is, uh, around here, honestly. Oh, God. Hold on a second. I went to, this is very interesting. What do you do? Yeah, what are you doing?

I'm looking up, uh, are you trying to find it in a text message? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I got it here. Okay. Okay. No, I don't got it.

I lost it. Forage. Oh, I've been to forage. I want to forage. Yeah. Um, not strictly a burger spot, but you got a burger from there. There was a burger option, so I did it. Sure.

But I like something, I need something greasy. Are you, do you, are you, are you a great? We could ask our guess this, too, even though we haven't introduced them yet. It's true. Um, are you, are you a grease guy when you're hung over or? Yeah, I mean, I think that's the move, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, she's pizza classically to me is like, pizza is a hang, is, I want pizza after I'm hung over. But I am, and you, you were, you were joking, but I am someone who gets up early regardless.

So I usually would get like a, a McGrittles or something like that. Yeah, I don't do, I don't, like, a lot of times I don't know where I don't do like the breakfast fast food. hangover but I wonder I am wondering about our guests well Mitch if you play your drop we can get right to business here am I hit him with a drop she just texting me bathroom breakdown bathroom breakdown fist it and Tomas bathroom breakout breakdown the episode bathroom breakdown I have to go to the bathroom bathroom bathroom breakout that you think the episode's going so far flush don't be very Hello, Wiggs.

Why did you do this? For our audio listeners, Mitch is wearing a Sherlock hat and using a pipe. I'm Sharklock Holmes, Wags. You're Sharklock Holmes. Now, you might remember from the last episode, there was a bit of a fish story. That's right. Two weeks ago. From two weeks ago, there's a bit of fish, fish story in our episode with-

Is that fish history? A mystery with fish. Oh. Yes, thank you. Thank you, great. A fish, a fish, fish-stery. Fish-stery. My clothes smelled like fish.

I had a bunch of fish clothes. Fresh out of the laundry. It stunk like fish. It stunk like fish. The fish story has been solved, my boy. Yes, and what was the solution? You use this pipe all the time, so you're probably pissed that I'm putting it in my mouth. Yeah, it's my character, Sherlock Crumbs.

You're intruding upon my IP. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm stealing Sherlock Crumbs. I don't know. I feel like Sherlock Crumbs is established in the camera. and now people like shark lock homes is pretty good too. It just feels like a pretty half-ass thank you Grant, Grant pitched the name Sharklock Home Amelia said I should get the name the name's good

Amelia said I should wear the detective I should do the detective thing I will talk afterwards I had fish I had fucking bring it is Lev first gonna go against himself he's both of our lawyers we so I had fish I had some fish clothes that's right

you did a load of laundry everything smelled like fish. You couldn't figure it out. You thought maybe there was some cat litter in there. You weren't quite sure what the cause could have been. You thought so there was a lot of, there's a lot of allegations of mildew. Cat litter got into the washer. This is the truth. I cat food.

There was cat food. There was a lot of different ideas of what could have happened. I think mildew was the prevailing theory. People very much, they quickly jumped to me being gross in my fucking washing machine having mildew in it. You said you keep it closed though. Yeah, I do keep it closed, but I don't, I

I know that that can lead to mildew. Was it the pipes? We were wondering if it was a finding Nemo situation where a fish had gone up the pipe. We had no idea. But I have figured out the fish storywags. I had two fish oil pills in one of my pockets of my shorts. Oh.

And everything smells like fish. So I'm on the Epstein list and everything smells. I was like, fucking fish. Melting into your clothes. That's rough. How do you undo that? I don't know. I bought some, I don't know.

Here's the other thing outside today. I look at my window, tons of bears just circling my house. I don't know what to do. I've heard white vinegar is the move, so I'm going to, like, soak a lot of the clothes on white vinegar for like 12 hours. Okay. And some baking soda. Can some of that be a big can it lead to a volcano if I'm I was just wondering that yeah I do think those were the ingredients that made my volcano in science class yeah yeah well shit vinegar for sure research yeah I would honestly say just what just do a normal load with the same clothes just watch them and see if that that that end of itself does it before you do any science into your load like if you put it in the I think it's the softener part oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it'll run it through for you I've done so many loads I'm the load man I've done a lot of loads I've done a lot of loads

I don't know if that's the Nicklady. All right. Load man. I've done many loads in that washing machine and I've I've done many loads in that washing machine. And I, I, uh, I'm going to wear the fish on the ground. I've washed it. So a baby that's half Mitch, half shirt. I, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I think I'm going to soak.

I think I'm going to, Do the soak. I might try that first. There's one pair of shorts that I think that the pills were in that are really fishy. And they're my pineapple shorts. Wow. This could be your fishing shorts. I mean, they might have to wear them fishing.

Yeah. They had little pineapples on them. Wow. So I used them like when I was like seeing swingers and stuff. And now I was going to bring them to Hawaii. I'm going to go to Hawaii. Yeah. And now I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do.

So hopefully it will come out. That's what I'm hoping. But Hawaii has fish. So I don't know. It should be fine. Fit right in. They have shorts too. It's true.

Amelia's two boxes. Yeah. And Amelia, what did you say that it was going to, the shape of water? Oh, I said the shape of water lady's going to love you. Yeah. What happened on the end? You turn into a fish? I don't remember.

At the end of shape of water, just you jump into the ocean with the fish and have gills? Fish man. That sounds right. She ran away with him. Yeah, she ran away with him. She transforms as well. I think she has like gills. Oh, she might have gills with the end.

She goes into the ocean, I believe. But anyways, yeah, I'm going to, the fish situation, I'm working on it. But my issue is that I was like, this still smells like fish. And I put it in with other laundry and now like stuff I love now smells like fish. So I've fucked up so bad. You'll get it out. I will come out. It will come out.

Anyways. Go to that dropper? I will right now, Wags. I'm doing it. I got it. Uh, uh, Hey, Dofam, breaking away from the usual drops I've sent in that are compilations of y'all

saying, come or wow on the pod, and instead submitting a dumb parody of an anime theme from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure-wise. Very cool. Based on the bathroom breakdown segment, alt-drop title was Do-Doh's Piss-Zar Comventure. I feel like you're kind of crowbaring come in there.

Cheers, Thomas. Letten Tickles in the Doe scored and previously submitted 500 riles, a space dot do-to-see drop. Thank you, Letten Tickles. That was very good. They did a good job. Thanks, Thomas. Rosed at Birdfuck.com.

Drops at birdfuck.com. Mitch, here on the Doe Boys podcast, Twisted Monthill continues. Wags, welcome to Twisted Month. I mean, we're in week three. Yeah, I know. Welcome to. Still, it's from the show. We got a couple good ones here today, Wags.

From Twisted Metal Season 2 now streaming on Peacock, Grant DeCurney and Patty Guggenheim. Grant, Patty, thanks so much for being here. Oh, thanks for having us. Thank you. This is so cool. This is a dream. We're very excited to have you guys. I know you well from Toronto and from Twisted Metal.

You're so good in the season. Grant is one of the head honchos over at the show. Big boss. Yes, wrote a fantastic season-wise. I love it. Let's talk Toronto because you all spent so much time up there. I visited Mitch for a little bit. We all of us visited Mitch for a little bit up there and spent about a week

recording some episodes. Patty came to, that was so fun. Were you at the live show as well, Grant, or not? I was not there. I missed that one. Yeah, that was great. We had a, but we did have a good time up there and thank you for coming.

But like, it's a great food city. And I'm curious like any particularly notable. Toronto food experience is up there. Oh, yeah. There was a great, what was the place where they had the noodles that went up really high and then they cut them with scissors? Oh, shit. Oh, I didn't go to that place.

It was like Mia or something. Fuck, I didn't go to this place. What the hell? I wanted a long noodle. Hand pulled noodle. Yeah, I heard of this and I didn't go. They, like, will stand at the edge of the table and, like, hold up a noodle that is, I don't know, 10 feet tall.

And then they just cut them for you to eat on your plate. That's cool. It was cool. It was a spectacle and cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Can you get an uncut noodle? Just one long. I would want one long noodle if they could do it.

You would want a lady in the tramp that with somebody? Yeah, wherever it ends. Who knows where it ends? Yeah, who knows who has another end of this thing. Let's go. There is really good food, though. They had a great food city. Oh, and where did we go?

Was that Lee? Lee is the hot, hot spot. We talked about Lee a couple weeks ago with with MJ. With MJ and Stephanie. And we had one meal at Lee. I had a lovely time up there. Very good. What I remember is...

Dunked all over Lee, remember? She didn't like it. She was a bit of a Lee skeptic. But I had a great time. I think that salad was like everything. That's a whole slaw. Yeah. Unbelievable.

It's 21 ingredients. Which is like you go there and you're like, all right, come to the slah. This is the reason to come to a nice restaurant. And then the slaw is a showstop. Yeah. It's a fucking Baskin Robin's sloth. 21 different flavors. Emma, you had the slah.

I love that sloth. The slaw is good. I could eat a meal of just that slaw. It's very good. I did. I did. Think about that slaw for a long time. I did.

The slah's fantastic. Yeah. By the way, a question we should ask you guys. Patty is a famous drunk on, plays a famous drunk character. Patty plays a famous drunk character. Yeah. So we should be asking you guys what your hangover,

it's Madison. It's right, correct? is the character from She-Holk, who is like a tipsy gal. Yeah, party gal. What's your hangover cure? What's Madison's Hangover Cure? Madison's is French Fries. I love it.

In Mayo. And that's really mine, too. Yeah. French fries. I just crave French fries and Mayo? First, in Mayo, yeah. So that's yours, too. This isn't the thing you picked up in Canada or anything. No, I love that.

Oh, damn, all right. I don't know where I picked it up, but I love that. Frizen mayo, I do, like, I mean, I'm a big male fan, but like, yeah, especially if it's a high quality male. It's, it's funny because, like, my introduction to that was the, was pulp fiction, and they talk about how disgusting it is in that opening scene. And, you know, Travolta is, like, telling Sam Jackson, like, you know, they dip French fries in over in Holland to not catch up, it's mayonnaise. And he's like, whoa. Do you think that stops you from trying it for a long time? But then when I later had it, I was like, this is fucking spectacular.

Which is confusing me because you did just take a spoonful of mayo when you were younger. We told us this before. But the idea, but it hadn't planted in my head that the combination of fries and mayo was like, you know, like that in of itself was disgusting. I understand these things do not necessarily make sense together. But like that's how my brain processed it. But then, you know, I had it. And there's the, I've mentioned it before on the podcast, but there's this restaurant, I believe it's just called diner in Brooklyn. And Nellie and I went to it in many years ago.

and went a number of times and it's just like they have like a house mayo they make that you dip the fries in and then bad boys is tasty as fuck it's really good

I just watched Pulp Fiction and went to the Vista and watched Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs a double feature Yeah You know he went to the Tarantino went to the groundlings

to scoop up a bunch of those people Oh really? Or Pulp Fiction That's right because at the end of the movie What's her name? Who plays

It's Pat Oh yeah Julia's Sweet Julia Sweeney is at the end of the movie. Kathy Griffin is in it. Kathy Griffin's in it as well. Kelly Griffin, Phil Lamar. That's right. Phil Lamar.

I think we're in Mariama. Wow. Philomar gets killed. I know. That's so sad. Is his name, uh, it begins with an M and I forget what it is. Yeah. Oh, well.

I made a joke. Hmm. Yeah, we can figure this up. Name starts with M. Gets killed. Gets killed. Phil Lamar. It's Mar.

It's not help. It's not. It's not Mar. During the movie, when they showed the gimp, you know how they, like, open the thing and the gimp comes out? There's a gimp cage that they keep him in. I leaned over to Stabros, and I said, that's where we keep wager at headgum is in a similar thing. That's fine. And we laughed at you.

That's a good bit. That's a good one. That's a good. It's also true. Oh, yeah. It's where I live. Marr. Philomar played Marvin.

Marvin. There wasn't Marvin. Oh, we were so close. Far short for Marvin. Wow. They used to call me Messy Marvin back in the day. Did they really?

Why did they do that? Because of the fish clothes? Well, I mean, honestly, yes, in a way. I looked like there's a character called Messy Marvin if you want to look him up. I think it's a life serial commercial.

And I looked a lot like Messi Marvin when I was a boy. And also, I was, people said about me that I like, I'm just, as I'm spitting, I had like a tomato. like a permanent tomato sauce stain around my lip was like character people with that that was that well that was you have this kind of thing like yeah like yeah there was probably sucking on that top lip yes yeah messy Marvin that everybody okay so let me see if I can find a picture of myself as a boy

but I looked a lot like messy so I got called messy Marvin forever forever you were a two-headed chap a bowl cut and glasses I I 100% did oh I pretty much that blonde yeah I'll search young boy in my Apple photos. I was also a blonde boy whose hair darkened. Either of you all have any sort of. That's a common thing. Yeah, it is, right? I'm always confused by that. Yeah, I don't get it.

And people, you know, eyes change color. Yeah. That's weird. I know. Were you blonde? Was her mad scientist. Boy, blonde boy? I was a dirty blonde boy.

Okay. Then it went brown, then it went white. What? Mitch, what are you looking up? I think I was a little blonde. I'm trying to find a picture of me as a boy. And I did find one. Hey, there you go.

And I looked like Messi Marvin. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Dead ring. Honestly. I looked a lot like Messy Marvin. Very similar. Patty, when did the French fries and mayo thing develop for you?

When did that become your go-to combo? I'm not sure, but, you know, probably when I studied abroad. Okay. So you did study abroad. Yes. I probably was abroad. Okay. Because it wasn't in Indiana.

Right. I think I studied in Prague, and they did that there. Prog? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Any notable Prague food? Yeah, Shvichkova.

What is that? Oh, you, we should go do an episode. I would love to. Can we? Can we? Do they have it here? Go to Prague? No, we got to go to Prague.

Okay. I'm out. Oh, man. They're like dumplings in gravy and then some kind of meat, and then it's really just like the gravy is the... What is it called again? Shwitschkova. Spish...

Shvichkova. If you couldn't get fish-stery, you're not getting like Swishkova. It truly sounded like something you made up on the spot. I was like, damn, what is it? But it's... It sounds like a nation from a Marvel movie. Spich.

Spichkova. Spishkova. The last in Kovar. Shvichkova. Swishkova. Wow. And then... This is the best, drunk food, schmazni seer, which is just means fried cheese.

And it's literally like a huge, like, hamburger patty size of cheese in a square, fried. Is it breaded? Breaded? Fried. And then mayo and then a bun. That sounds heavenly. Yeah, that's amazing. That's what the streets, like, smell like at night.

Wow. And you just walk outside of the bar and then you just get schmaws on the street. And you just are in heaven. Wow. That's wild. How long were you there for a semester? A semester. And then I stayed a little longer.

And then I went back a few times because I loved it. Granted, do you study abroad? I did not. You're like me. You're a lifelong Southern California. You don't even want to go visit. I visited. No, you like me, you've lived in L.A. County.

I have basically your whole. life and basically yeah and like i'm curious as as someone who also grew up here do you have any favorite local local eats oh wow yeah what's your favorite schnishkova spot my favorite schizkova spot still did the bad um there's a lot of them i like uh uh gilberts in sanamaica oh gilbert's great for tacos old school like just uh and for a long time they might still be cash only just a you know like classic mexican dishes yeah that's probably that's one of my favorite places um trying to think of places that are more laid back too because like when i think of southern california food like for me i think of like burgers and i think specifically of tommy burgers

fat burger and an out burger kind of that i like fat burger there's a place though it's one of those you know how there's a bunch of off-brand Tommy burger diners or burger stands. They all have like, it's like the akin to, uh, it's a famous raise in pizza in New York. It's like they're all these simulacrums of these,

uh, you know, places they're called like Tommies with one M and an I or whatever. Yes. My favorite was for a time there was Thomas, because they put the apostasy in the wrong place. Yeah. So there's a place on Pico and Centinella that caught fire,

but I think they've since rebuilt that's big tommies. Oh, big Tommies is great. With one M. Yeah. And I love that place. Nellie and I used to go there all the time. Yeah, love it. Big chili cheese fries.

That's one of my favorite spots, too. Wow. What's that one that has a diner, but then there's also a drive-in? You know what I'm talking about? You can get like a turkey burger. It's like a diner, but there is a drive. Is it a Tommy's? No, it's not Tommy's.

There's one right by Paramount. Oh, do you mean Astro Burger? Astro. Astro is a lot of fun. Astro is delicious. There's an Astro right near. Have we ever done Astro before on the pod? We have not.

It's up for grabs. Yeah, we can do Astro. Oh, well. There I can't. Of course you can. They got the fried zucchini. The fries, that's what I was thinking of, the fried zucchini. Really?

And really good ranch. They have, in my opinion, the best ranch in town. Yeah, it's a solid spot. Yeah. Diner culture has, it's gone through a lot. It's hurting here in L.A., I feel. Sure. I mean, it's very much so.

Yeah, it's hurting. Of course, yeah. But Cafe 101 used to be open 24 hours. It's Clark Street now, right? It's very good. It is still very good, but it's like the hours. I think they're going to start opening later. Okay, good.

Cafe 101 was like a place that you could go till, like you could go at two in the morning. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I missed that. What is your, because your late night options are so limited now. Did swingers close? There's still, there.

Okay. There's a couple of them. That's open late, right? Yeah, it's, it's open. I think it's open pretty late. Okay. And Cantors. Cantors is.

Cantors. And Cantors, I feel like, has seen better days. but it's going to be sad if they go everywhere. I know. Patty, I'm curious, as someone from Indiana, like I don't know much about Indiana food culture. Are there any Indiana local chains or any, like, beloved local cuisines? Well, I just got to tell you, there's more than corn in Indiana,

which is a catchphrase that we have. Are you even the corn state? Yeah, oh, yeah. Okay. Some people think it's only corn. No, but there's more. But there is more. Am I wrong you thinking Iowa is the corn state?

Or is Indiana also the corn state? I thought Nebraska. Nebraska's a corn state. I think they're all that old. You're thinking because of corn huskers probably because of Nebraska. Oh, sure. Yeah. Or did they just husk the corn in Nebraska?

I don't know. We make it. Okay. And they husk it. Okay. Shipp it down south. Yeah. Sorry.

Indiana, there's more than corn in Indiana. Yeah, there's more than corn, which was, oh, that was the theme song for this place called Indiana Beach, which is also kind of weird because we don't have beaches. It was a. There's a theme park called Indiana Beach. Indiana Beach. There's more than corn in Indiana. I don't know.

There were so many confusing things in that. They really didn't say that. Really? That was the real song. I thought you were just making that up. Indiana Beach. There's more than corn in Indiana. Yeah.

So there aren't beaches, though, so I don't know. What a shitty-ass. It was a fucking song. Was Indiana Beach a beach themed? Theme park. Yeah, it was like a bird, like a two can was the thing. Was there a water park feature? There might have been a water park.

I can't remember. It seems necessary. I can't remember. But there were some rickety rides, and that was why you went. That's fine. We had water country. Water country. Water country, have some fun.

That was, that was a song. Somebody really got away with some stuff on those theme songs. Water, I mean, it was a longer version. I'd probably remember all the words, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Let's have some fun. No corn in sight.

Now, Patty, a lot of the times when people quote the Raven, they're speaking of Edgar Allan Poe. Right. But after the season of Twisted Metal comes out, they'll be quoting you, Raven. I do a lot of that in the show. Did you like that? It seems like you didn't.

Mitch Why did you do that? He really made it a big thing so he's like, now. Also, like, in the middle of her answer about Indiana food. I know. So ill-timed.

All right, let's hear more about Indiana food. I have to switch gears so fast. I was waiting for the never more part of the joke. Yeah, yeah. I meant to do the never more thing. Oh, shoot. Wait, do you want to try it again? No.

No, okay. Well, they're going to quote agoram porn. Never. Fuck. Eggrel in porn. Angrel in corn? Is that what I said? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, what's some local Indiana?

I mean, besides, do you like a corn on the cob? I do. I love corn. I love corn on the cob. I love everything corn. I named it my cat corn cob. That's right. Cute.

She cute. Do the cat count? Do you have another cat? Two cats. What's the cat? J.W. Stink. He's from Indiana under a highway, and my brother rescued him and then brought him to L.A. And then Corn Cobb is new. J.W. Stink and Corn Cobb? What a combo.

Yeah, they're cute. They must meet Wally and Irma someday. A cat party. They would probably just hiss at each other for 10 minutes and then it would be over. Do they get along, the two of them? They do. Yeah, they fight, but in a cute way. Yeah, yeah, Walley Nirm. Yeah, they wrestle. Wally kind of beats up on Irma, unfortunately.

Wally is the big brother. I actually don't know if he's older than Irma. But Irma is the little tiny kitty. Yeah. She's just little older. She's a little older. Yeah. And then Wally kind of beats her up.

Sometimes she gets mad at it. But I don't know how friendly I go with other cats because they never ever seen it. How old are corncob? Corncob is so new, so fresh. Like maybe three, four months. Oh, wow. Like she's little. She's very little.

Oh, that's so cute. And she, like, kind of rides the stink. Like, she'll, like, kind of jump on his back, like, her, like, arms and legs around him, like, a saddle. Like, she rides them around. That's cute as hell. You say rides the stink? Yeah. History 2.0.

The histories continue. That's my line on Raya. You want to ride the stink? So you're rescuing From, you know, they're rescuing J.W. Stink from, you know, they're in Indiana. What are you going to eat afterwards? Go back to the food and back. This is all we know.

Okay. Stake and shake. Yes. I love. Crispy, crispy. Have you all had? Yes. But it's a very sad.

Wags will explain this. Steak and shake, we've had an odysy with steak and shake over the course of this podcast, we have watched it try to expand nationally. That's what I'm talking about. And then it has, it's CEO Sardar Baglari, who is like an aspiring sort of Trump figure who put his own name on the signage. It took away everything that was interesting about the chain, changed it from table service with these expansive menus. Because that's a big part of the steak and shake experience, right? You sit down and you have a big menu.

Yeah. He could get spaghetti or whatever the fuck. And he was just like, no, it's just going to be burgers and shakes and you order it a kios. I hate him. And it really sucks. And he's ruined Maxim Magazine as well. He ruined Maxa Magazine. Oh.

Also put his name on the cover of that, which he also owns. Those are his two big properties. But he also has become this like fucking RFK, you know, Tody. And that's a big part of it. It's really nice. Yeah, it's a bummer. But the OG steak and shake, I know in the Midwest. OG is like in the corner of our, you know, like very close to us.

And it was the crispy, crispy little patties. Yeah. Really skinny little crispy fry. I like crispy. Yes. So like long crispy fries. crispy around the edge burger. That was just always really good.

But they have good food there. If you're going and you're going to be a little fancy to Indiana for like an N.500 weekend, which I'm still trying to get everyone to go to. I know. Have you been? I go every year. Wait, really?

Yes. You got to come. That's such an Indiana thing to do. I always try to get, but the Southern Californians don't want to leave. I'll leave always. You'll go. Okay. But there's a place called St. Elmo.

steakhouse and it's like the you get the shrimp cocktail and it's the fieriest cocktail sauce that like you're just like your eyes everything's watering a lot of horseradish yeah a lot of horseradish but you're having a time in your life

sounds delightful do you like when this goes to both of you do you like a thing where it's so hot that your eyes and nose are running a wasabi I love a horse radish where I'm like and like pickles like I love the things that like make your little jaw like yes when i'm dealing with with something horse radishy you know or like a wasabi like i'm i'm like david letterman watching future islands i'll

take all that that you got you know i that's a great reference i feel like i i love it and nataly loves it too she's just like she has an incredible uh constitution for it i just where are you on horse radish uh i i like it but not to the level of you too yeah you want to punish yourself. I don't need any punishment or any sweating or excretions of any squirt. That goes with the wasabi as well. I use about a tiny, a pea-sized piece of wasabi for

a whole meal. My issue is I just don't, I want, I never like people looking at me anyway. It's just in general. So I guess I shouldn't be an actor. But I like always want to hide my face like if i'm if i'm like sweating or like if there is like and i sweat enough on my own so like hot spicy food i don't want to sweat from but if i could be masked up while eating the spicy stuff i'm just like so afraid i'm so especially afraid of my nose running which i think i my nose will just run too much if i have spicy food and it's like the first thing that goes

and i hate it you should get one of those hats that has like curtains Haven't you seen this for like airplanes or something? You have a little curtain. You can like, and then you can open it up when you're ready. And so just take a bite and then close it for a minute. It would be good to have for this show when I tell a horrible joke and I can just close the curtain on myself. There's this movie that came out a couple years ago,

The Taste of Things, Juliet Benosh is in it, and it's a French movie, and it's a lot about, you know, like I believe it said in the 19th century could have the time frame a little bit. a little bit wrong, but it said at some point of the past, the semi-recent past and it's so much about, like, it's just a

couple who, like, cooks. Like, they have, like, a restaurant and there's so much, like, food preparation and, like, dining. But what, one scene, they have, like, this dish that you eat, and the way you eat it is you throw, like, part of the tablecloth over your head for privacy. So, like, it's, like, six dudes at the table, and they all throw the tablecloth over the head

so they can eat, like, this pheasant. That's, like, I guess, kind of grotesque. Oh, right. Oh, right. To shield your shame from God. Oh, is that what it is? That's what I thought it was, like, you're hiding from the heaven so you can do this, like, devilish thing. Yeah.

It did look kind of fun now. We should, yeah, yeah. What's the thing you have to hide that you're eating? It's not like a baby bird. It's like a whole bird. You eat it bones and all. But I've never seen it depict it. It's gross.

But it's in a movie that's coming out. It was out, it came out a couple years ago. It's really good. Oh, wow. Taste of things. It's a fucked up. It is a fucked up. It's one of those fucked up foods for sure.

Right. Yeah. Also, you eat the. Bones? You're eating bones? I don't know. Birds have hollow bones. I think it was like a baby bird.

So you crunch them. Yeah, they're so underdeveloped. You can just kind of mash them. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like cate. I don't like baby birds being eaten. Yeah. I don't need to know that the food I'm eating as a baby, I guess.

That's a big part for me. Veal. I don't, I don't usually you won't get veal. That's my, that is a, that's the one thing I won't do is kind of. That's a boundary for you. It is, it is. It is. I mean, like, it's just the fact that it's like, it's the baby thing.

I'm like, I don't want the baby thing for crying a lot. Yeah, because it's like you're eating a kitten. Yes, I can't do, I can't do, I can't eat that. Give me the full cat. I don't need the kitten. I can't eat the kitten. And Wally and Irma are getting plenty plumpy right now, wives. Jesus Christ.

You think I'm keeping us pets? You think you even joke about that? Eating your pets. I would never eat Wally and Irma. Are you kidding me? I told you I want to. break alf's neck when uh we talked about alf he's a piece of shit oh that's right alf eats alf eats fucking cats he's a fucking asshole i don't i'm not gonna eat wallie and irma okay good i i

treat them well i i i i was messing with wallie last night and give him kisses on the forehead you know what i want to do i wish i i won't ever do it but i wish i could lick them clean like they clean themselves i've done that have you have you know you have it just on stink's head up Just on top of his head, because I know that's pretty safe. All right, I'm going to do it too. Yeah, why haven't you done it? Yeah. I just, I thought it was a step too far to be licking my cat.

And I don't know, I feel like it felt like a, it felt like some sort of shame if I did it. I mean, it sounds like you want to eat them. It sounds like a gateway. I mean, coming from number one on the Epstein list. Yeah, maybe on the Alfti list. I don't know we get weird if I'm licking Wally and he gets turned on and then all of a sudden I'm, you know, sucking him off. Oh, Jesus Christ.

See now. It was kind of fun. What? I'm trying to promote the damn show here. I can eat my cat, but I can't suck him off. Sorry, Peacock. I don't suck my cat off, Peacock, relax. It is interesting when you think about the ethics of it, like, a pig would rather

be sucked off than killed and eaten for its meat. But if you sucked off a pig, people would be like, what the fuck? What you're doing? But if you eat bacon, no one's like going. The pigs don't have twos. You'll be going all around, sucking that thing. Right, yeah. Yeah. Don't they have I guess you probably won't? I guess that wouldn't happen.

Yeah, that's what was, yeah, they got corkscrewed yeah, they got corkscrew hogs. Yeah. But I don't think that means you have to physically twist your body as you're doing the act. Okay, all right, that's fair. Yeah. But I don't know, I'll be an anatomy of it. Okay, I'm curious. about... Twisted metal out July

31st. Yeah, speaking of Twisted Dix, Twisted metal was out July 31st on Peacock. Speaking of twisted. Patty, I'm curious because we,

I know there's a lot of I'm not sure of any of I haven't seen any of season two. I'm very excited to check it out but like, do you have any any driving stunts? Do you have anything

where you're in a car? Yeah. And were these sequences where you had like a pod racer on top of you and you're controlling? That's a pilot. You just found out about

pod racer. Pod drivers, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he just found out. Yeah, we told them about it on. Well, he seems like a pro. No, he does no shit. No, my understanding is you get a pod driver who's on top of the car.

They're connected to the, you know, the mechanics. And they're actually controlling it, but you're acting like you're controlling. Yeah, he was like a NASCAR guy. Wow. Up there. And it was. Was that Stanton? Yeah, Stanton, who, uh, his brother is, uh, his brother is, uh, the, the second unit director, uh, what's his name?

David? Yes, David. And, uh, and, uh, is, I'm, I'm right, right? Oh, you're right, you're right. Sorry. Oh, yeah, it was a brother team. Yes. But Stanton was like a NASCAR driver. Yes.

Yeah. And he was on, he was, he was in my pod as well. Yeah. And he goes fucking fast. Good driver. Very fast. Yeah. Wow.

Very fast. Like straight zero to, I don't even know how fast into, like towards a wall. Then you're like this close to a wall, a foot. And then he turns and you, and you're like, okay. Like, it's crazy. My whole body was sweating. like every, I don't think I've sweat that out of every place. Oh, 100, same.

I was, I was very nervous. I think I can, I was, I was, I was, oh, no, same. Every part of, and I was terrified. Yeah. And the person I was driving with, I won't say who it was, was, uh, I can, I can, should even cut, all right, I won't say who I was driving with, but the person I was driving with loved it. Yeah.

Like they were, they were having a blast. Oh, I was having fun. I mean, it was, it was. And I wasn't driving with you. No, spoilers. Or was I? Maybe. Raven and Stu, who knows?

No, who knows? But it is, it's fucking scary as hell. Yeah. But are you, like, just mechanically, you're on it, someone else is controlling it. Is the wheel just kind of going on its own, or do you have to, like, a timing-wise, I know that since this turn is going to be happening at this particular moment, I have to time it with their action. You have to do it on your own, yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Jesus, I'm so happy you're not my fucking pod driver. There's no way you would turn at the wall. We'd be going fucking straight into it. There are like moments where I said this before, but there's like a car coming out. They were so good at what they were doing. There was a car coming at you

and then you would turn right out of the way at the last second. It was wild. Yeah, it was really fascinating. And then you're seeing everyone else in the area too. Just, yeah. Yeah. It was crazy.

It was really cool experience. I love hearing this stuff because I've never worked on anything like that has a bunch of car stunts or whatever. the fuck it just like it's so hearing the mechanics of it and it's also like just hammers home how much of a collaboration every production is you know but grant did you get to like in your role did you get to experience like writing in one of these or just just feeling what it was like sure yeah um I'm trying to think what I did this season last season a few times every once in a while um one of the guys one of the drivers if it was between setups or something they'd throw me in and and drive me

around and scare me, yeah, and then I usually get out and think I don't want to do that again. But yeah, it's fun and it is impressive. The podcar, what's neat is ours were on top of the car, but on other productions, they'll hide a guy between the rear left quarter panel, so he's almost sitting on the ground next to the rear left tire. How does they see? Based, he's kind of on a little cart hanging off the side of the car based on how they want to work the camera around the car. Yeah, that

anyway, that's kind of a nerdy fact but they'll do that and you also don't have to paint out as much of a guy sitting on top of a car. But like the level of skill you must have to just like be able to do that and then not have like a normal point of view like you're controlling a vehicle.

It's just like, it's really, it's really present stuff. I mean, what I think's crazy for these two or for the actors is I don't know how you appropriately anticipate and sink the wheel movements with the car movement because they can't see

what that person's doing. Right. Yeah, how did you do it? I was just, when they were going right, I would just turn my wheel right. I was just following their lead. That's all I would do.

I was just following whatever they would do. And then once we did it once, I kind of knew, but I'll tell you what was the scariest thing to go fast in was the ice cream truck. Right. And so here's the ice cream truck.

Top heavy. It's top heavy. There's a big clown head on top of it. And then the stunt guys always want to go fast. But it was a mail truck, wise. It was a repurposed mail truck. It was hell. It was fucking hot as hell.

It sucked. There were weapons on the wall. It was a nightmare. But with a mail truck, the driver is on the right side on the mail truck. And so Sweet Tooth, they did have a fake seat for Sweet Tooth. And then they paint him out, basically, right? But there's like a scene where we were just like riding along in the ice cream truck

and it felt like it felt scared. It felt like we could die. Just for our, because we know we have a global listenership, for our UK listeners, what Mitch described the wheel being on the right side is not ordinary for an American vehicle. Right. Okay. That's good. So we just kind of give that. Sorry about our European

listeners. Because they might just be like, okay, why even say that? Yeah. Yeah. That's what a car is. But it's not the case. Like, because here it's on the right side because we, you know, we drive on the right and the mail truck driver. It's easier for him to get out and make deliveries. Yes. Thank you. And sorry to the three European listeners we have. Sorry to our UK listeners that

you had to, but hopefully you're no longer unmoored. So, okay, you're driving. Jesus Christ. You're, you're offset. You're just driving a normal day. You're not working. Oh, sure. Do you like to eat a meal in a car? I do. What do you like to eat? I hate these fucking stock

questions you have. That's a good question. It's an on-topic question. I do like to eat I'm going to answer it, Mitch Fine, go ahead Is that okay? Yes, I want to be talking about J.W. Stink. I do too.

Let's hear more about J.W. Stink like to eat. He loves food. Does he really? He loves my food. See, my cats don't love my food. It makes me sad. He'll give his little claw and whatever I eat my dish, my bowl, and like take it.

That's cute as hell. Irma will sometimes try to do that, but neither of them really like human food and it bothers me. I want them to, if I came home and they stole my burger, How cute would that be? It's really cute. I'd be very furious, but it would be cute for a second. Stink over to your house.

And, yeah. Please. Yeah, they don't, the mind don't touch any human food. Irma, like, I ate something funny enough. When I was at my old place on Palmerston, Wags, and I had frozen yogurt. Irma was dipping her paw in the frozen yogurt. Cute. We'll get into later on tonight.

But what is, what's your go-to food in-car? Literally anything. I'm that risky, like, we'll eat soup in car. Wow, that's wild. I know. I live on the edge a little too much, I think. Yeah. I'll, like, steer with my little, I mean, I have a Tesla, so if I have to, I don't have self-driving.

So I am using my knees. A soup in both hands driving with your knees? I've done it before. Wow. I like that you brought up, I have a Tesla, like, you were going to, like, I was going to try to, like, make it sound a little better, like, I use it. The driving feature, but I don't have it. I have a Tesla. I bought it this month.

Just to clarify. Yeah, I can't, like, if it's, if it's, like, first I don't like to drive, period, but like, if it's too handed, I'm like, that's too rich for my blood. I'm not, I'm not going to risk that. Well, then what are you going to do, like a burrito or a chicken leg or something? I'll do a handheld, but yeah, I'll do like, I'll do like a sandwich. I'll do like a sandwich, a burger, yeah, a burrito. Grant, how about you? Yeah, but I'll leave it to the fast food items that.

that feel purpose-built to be eaten while driving. Seems like you all don't like to live on the end. I like pulling over and eating in a car. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I do that often. I'd rather just sit in my park car or like Mitch, like we did when we had a little road jaunt over overnight from Newark to Boston for our on a recent tour.

We just stopped at the McDonald's and we didn't take that long. We sat for like 10, 15 minutes, but it was just nice to have a little bit time off the road. We got into Boston at like 4 a.m. by the time we landed. We got McDonald's at like 1 in the night. morning it was good it was a good it was that i like doing a little pit stop yeah for sure and then do you put like the ketchup's in the little like how do you do the catchups that's a great question i usually am doing i don't risk it where do you put the ketchup yeah i'm usually having dry guys if i'm driving are you yeah i'm not not dipping them fries i will i'll be on the

highway but if you pull over i'll i can make a little reservoir and like you know like maybe my burger wrapper or whatever the burger wrap yeah sometimes right on the top there too on the on on the dashboard. Just the ketchup on dabb. Yeah, you can put the ketchup up on the dash. And the dashboard keeps your food warm. It's a good place to store the food. Yeah, it is a hot plate up there.

Just made of leather. If I'm driving, I'll just, if I'm driving on the highway, I'll sometimes, if there's no one, if I'm like on a, like a desolate. Desserted highway. It's like a deserted highway or something. I'll be using my legs a little bit and then I'll, and then I'll open a ketchup back and I'll usually just spray right onto the. bite I want is usually the way I'll do it because interesting yeah but I mean I'm not usually I'm

pulling over I don't really I only eat on the way I said this on the when you asked the road food question in the last episode yes I said that I get us two weeks ago two weeks ago I get my meal and then I get a sandwich for the road and I eat that sandwich on the road home and then I eat my meal when I get into the house but that's a big boy that's a big boy order yeah but you said you do a similar you but you don't eat in the car like that I try not to yeah yeah Yeah, like granted, I'd rather just like, unless I'm absolutely in a sprint to get someplace and I try to budget my time where that's rarely happening, I'd rather just sort of pull over and take a moment to myself. Do you think because you're so cowboys, you are, you've budgeted your time in the car better than most. Interesting.

Wow. I like that we're so cowboys. That's the catch of so cowboys. I don't like that you like that you're so cowboys. I think... Come on, who's more So Cal than the two of us? I want to go surflated.

Yeah, buddy. I think, I think that's a really interesting, I never thought of that. Yeah, I never thought of it. You might be right, but I am always early, if not. I'm on time, if not early.

Yeah, I feel like it's in your bones. It is in your bones. To, like, have the traffic figured out. Yeah. I definitely did, you know, not that I'm, I try to also be very punctual, but I'm not perfect about it. But I feel like I did learn pretty young

that yes, you have to budget a lot of extra time and try to get anywhere. I also like I'm someone who tries to take public transit as much as possible, and that's another thing where I just like I give myself more time than I need. So yeah, I've just kind of, yeah, maybe that is the case.

Interesting. I've never interrogated that. Well, that's amazing. Yeah, into our web ringings. Are you all right? I don't know. It's just something to think about. It seems a little shook and shape.

Yeah, something seems awful. Got some shook SoCal boys over here Want to listen to Sublime? Sam, I have Boston Collin. Very cool. With his son. His son sang the... Wow.

Yeah. And he did a damn good job. People say that when he first started, he was a little wonky. But when I listened to him, he was great. The Sublime's lead singer's son. Oh, yeah, the singer's son. Yeah. That's cool.

Was there like a thing that you went to, like, every summer growing up, like a concert. We had the WVCN River Rave. We had the River Ray for a little while. And I think I went to, that was my first concert ever. But I went to Dave Matthews every, yeah.

Did you go to, yes? That was it. It was Dave Matthews? Yes. I still go to Dave Matthews concerts. I would go the second I ever could. There's,

well, I always want to go to the gorge. They do like a three day event, like they do three days of the gorge, and it's like a big, that's the big Dave Matthew. That's like the mother. Wait, where's the gorge? It's in up in Seattle, it's in Washington.

Okay. Oh, that sounds. So that's kind of the mecca for DMB heads. That's the mecca for DMB heads, yeah. Wags was a, Wags was an instrument, man. You're a music man. Now, what does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean?

You played your fucking bassoon or whether the fuck you played, didn't you? Yeah, I played, yeah, I played Woodwinds as a kid. You grew up in music? He grew up in music. Kind of. No, yeah, I played, but I mean, like, that was like a thing I did as a kid. Yeah, I played Woodwinds. I played clarinets.

Were you not a concert guy with all? A bassoon? Being a bassoon man? What do you mean? Was I not a concert guy? Were you practicing and you couldn't go to the concert? That's interesting. I was so into learning music that I didn't get to experience music as much.

I've never really interrogated that. Oh my God, I'm really interrogating you tonight. I think that you should go to a therapist or something. No, I like to go. These simple questions are about fucking. It's really throwing you. Awakening you, what the fuck is happening? I did like to go to, no, I went to, look, there was kind of this,

Grant, you may remember this, but there's a heyday of ska punk that was happening in the 90s. And so I ended up going to like ska punk shows as a kid. And then, yeah, I liked metal. So I saw Metallica. You know, I saw Rush who wasn't exactly metal, but, you know, metal adjacent. I got a concert as a kid. I more just aged out of it. It's not the other thing I didn't do it when I was young.

Grant, did you ever a music man? I was a music man. Wow. You said this earlier, too. You grew up in music, right? I grew up playing drums. I played in bands from grammar school through college. That's cool as hell.

I've seen Rush many, many times. Hell yeah. All right, P. Neil Pert. I know. So that wasn't a summer event, but I'd see the many time they came. And, yeah, I'd go to lots of shows, but I can't remember anything that was specifically in the summer. Do you have a favorite Rush track or album?

Favorite songs probably Natural Science Or losing it maybe And album-wise that's tough I don't know, I need to think about I mean moving pictures is the easy answer Or 2112 Yeah

Sometimes easy answer is the correct one Yeah Woodwinds That's right Drum Bialin Wait really you played violin? Strings

Cool. What age did you play violin? Second grade, I picked it up because there was a woman who came to our class and she could hold it under her chin and I thought that was awesome. It's cool. So I started lessons naturally. I wanted to play violin because of Dave Matthews band. Well, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty rad. Violin. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he did. Yeah, yeah, kind of. We'll talk about it after.

Yeah, we'll talk about it after. Um, but yeah, second grade and then I played through high school, like senior year of high school. Right. So if you got a violin, you could, you could. And I started taking lessons again. Oh, you have. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah.

Oh, that's awesome. I started taking in the past year piano lessons. Oh, cool. And I really enjoyed it. That's cool. Yeah, it's nice to have it a dog hobby. Can you play, uh, I've been taking guitar lessons. Is this really?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And. I haven't done shit. We're all enriching our stuff. I should be enriching myself, too. I'm not doing anything.

I'm fucking suss. When you're playing drums in bands as a kid, like what kind of music were you operating in? Oh, the band, I was in a band in high school for a couple of years, and it was, it would be called a jam band now, but that was before jam band. And we played a lot of reggae, as it were. And it's like rock, blues, reggae, jam band stuff.

and then I was in a metal band. Hell yeah. Yeah. And then I was in just kind of like a straight-ahead rock band. Did you have a favorite drum and a favorite symbol? Like, Jesus. Like a brand or type of drum? A ride symbol, a high hat?

Yeah. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Yeah. No, I had my preferred brand in size. Did you name your favorite symbol? No, but you know, it's like, oh, that's a six. scene inch a you know fast crash yeah or whatever they all have dumb names um yeah you have

favorites yeah i guess oh yeah yeah you know i mean it's an insane question that the man asked you i like a it's a straight ahead answer but i look a snare drum how fun is that yeah snare drums are great i had a bunch of those and again i think you should go to therapy for other reasons certain ones were cool for certain things. You ever do the thing where you do a drum fill and you have the tombs, you're like, do you doga, doga, doka, doga, doga, do you. I feel like that's a basic drum thing.

Yeah, but it's pretty good. I do it. I feel like that's like when you first learn how to draw. It's like month two. Yeah, right. I have a question for you. Can you play, do-da-da-da-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Can you do that song?

Probably. Do you know what a song it is? I did learn Dave Matthews. Which is, which song? Um, Ants Marching. You should, I, we got a void replacement right here.

Dun, that's Ants marching, right? Yeah, yeah. Rich, I can play saxophone. We got a Leroy Moore, uh, fill in here. I cannot pull off most of what that drummer does.

Cardifford is fucking bad on the drums. And I got vocs. I'll sing with Dave or something. I can do a duet with them. Oh, Dave's in the band now too. Cool. Yeah. It gives us a long word.

Yeah. Grant also worked, uh, You worked on Eastbound and Down. Wow. Correct? Yes. All right. Yeah.

And you also, you roommate, you were, can I say this? You were roommates with Danny McBride at one point, right? Yes, I was. Wild. How was the food situation in that home for you guys? Was there? Oh, we were pretty young and no one had a very good job. So we lived in West Hollywood.

And so, like, Fairfax and Santa Monica, basically. So most of the food any of us would eat would be whatever was kind of around the neighborhood and cheap. There was this place Los Tacos. It's like a taco place off Santa Monica in Fairfax next to 7-Eleven. We'd go to a lot. Then there was canner sometimes or is Damiano's pizza still there. They were open till like I think Damiano's is four in the morning. Yeah, yeah. And now there is a John and Vinnie's. Well, it's yeah, it's right near where John and Vinnie's was, but they have a, what's the prime pizza is right there now? Yeah, which is great.

Yeah, that area has gentrified a little bit more. But I also like, I'm trying to remember if Los Tacos is still open. That's what's furrowing my brow. The silent movie theater right there. I haven't been, yeah, I haven't seen, although you know what? I live next to Okie Dog for probably eight years and I never, it's always weirded me out, no. It is strange. I never went there.

Is that the one on Fairfax? Yeah. Oh, I always see characters outside there. Yeah. There always are. And Oki Dog is a distinct, like, thing where it's, like, two hot dogs and chili and some other shit inside a tortilla. Oh. Oh.

I didn't even know that. When you see, when you say you see characters out there, we're in Hollywood, so you're talking like Bart Simpson, Spider-Man. Yeah. All animated characters standing on the street. It could be non-animated characters, too. Like, characters who, like, they wear, like, short, short, shorts. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, Hollywood, you're going to see a lot of characters.

Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Like a chain mail short shorts. A lot of that's going away, which makes me sad, too. And even, like I was saying earlier, Cantor, Coles is closing, wise. We already, we already are cool. Coles.

Cache? What am I going to do with all this cash? Some context for our non-L.A. listeners, there's the, there are two restaurants in Los Angeles that are the purported inventors of the French dip. It's one of those food disputes that's unsettled. The one with a stronger case, Philippe, is still going strong. The other one which has a case and is also like a great spot

and has like speak easy vibes and they have the great French dip sandwich is Coles. Over a hundred years old. Coles C-O-L-E. Downtown. Yes. And that place is closing.

H-O-H-L is not closing. Sorry. Okay, thank you. Yes, yes. But sad, I mean, I'm more sad about Coles. Oh, I'm sad about that. That was a cool spot. I think Coles is the superior

sandwich, but that's just me. I kind of like Coles more than a, I'm with you. Coles more. I almost died there. You almost died there? You almost died there? What happened? Down there? I put too much horseradish on my sandwich and I almost choked to death. This is the truth. We were talking horseradish earlier. I didn't bring it up. It didn't. Wow. I put too much on that. I was like, it was with the Quincy guys. I just started like choking. I was like, oh my God, I think I might die here, you know, the, but surrounded by my

Quincy friends, which is a lovely way to go. I guess choking to death is the best. And the horse radish, you think? The horse radish was so, it was. I like, I ate so much of it. Was it wrapped around a pound of meat. It was, well, you know, there was probably a pound of meat also in there, too, is another issue. But I was, I was, I, I, it was, it was, it was, it was one of those scary moments for sure. Wow. And I haven't had a lot of those, but. You got this place shut down, didn't you, son of a bitch?

Don't try to fucking choke me. Are you here? Are you listening? Every Los Angeles restaurant, you tried to choke me, you're shutting down. It's a bummer. It's, it's, I feel, it feels like they're, I mean, it's happening, fucking, right? fucking everywhere, but it's like it's a thing we've talked about the podcast. It feels like a lot of these LA institutions

are shuddering. I'm excited to see the new condos that go in. So you would do nearby places. I figure Danny's a big eater too that the two of you guys would Yeah, and just whatever you could afford fast pizza like, you know.

Yeah, yeah. It's not like we were going out to cool restaurants or anything like that. I feel like you'd open your fridge and it would be like mustard and a bud light Yeah Don't drink the wrong one Yeah

Something something like that Yeah That's I I uh Did you did you shoot in North Carolina Or South Carolina Eastbound and down? Yeah

That was in a Wilmington North Carolina Okay Yeah And our our good friend Harris Whittles wrote an episode of that That's great Oh yeah

Awesome A great A very funny episode Um Grant Did you play Twisted metal as a young man. I did.

I actually remember when PlayStation, the first one came out. And were your PS1 guy? I got it. Yeah. I remember getting it. And that was, I don't know if it just happened to be at the store, but I remember when I bought it, it was like, oh, this is the game. And I bought one other that I forget.

I'm not a huge gamer, but at the time I, PS1's marketing was so good. You think you're like, wait, it's a CD? What's happening? Yeah. So I got it and got twisted metal, and that's kind of what we'd play. And then eventually I played more sports games and stuff, but I played the first one a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Patty, how about you? Did you play this metal a lot? I did. I played, I always was Sweet Tooth. Okay, yeah. But I didn't get far. It was kind of hard for me. It's a hard game.

It's a hard game. Yeah, it's hard. And I don't want to be mean about the game, but if you try to replay the game, it kind of sucks. Should I not say that about our game? Yeah, you probably shouldn't say that, Mitch. What are you doing? The game kind of sucks now. Oh, old games suck.

Sandbagging your own IP. The IP is great. The character of Stu is fantastic. The, I get what you're saying, which is. Oh, old games kind of suck. Yeah, old games. The mechanics aren't the better. It's of its time.

What I loved was the store. I think. No, no, no. I was like, game is stinky. Oh, oh, oh. Oh. The characters were always what I was into, like, who was driving the cars. So, I mean, I was more into that part.

So that's why the show is so fun, because, like, we get to know the characters. A hundred, yes, that was very, it was fun watching, like, I was watching clips of it. It's a great game. It's a great game. It was very much, like, the first of its kind. Yeah. It was, like, made a whole genre of. It would be awesome to see a updated.

Yeah, a fully modern version with everything they have now. Oh, the video games kind of suck. That's what happens. Banjo Kizui wouldn't be fun to play now for me. I would think it fucking sucks. Would Banjo Kizui be fun to play in 2025? And it was a great game. It might be, I mean, it was trying to think the last, I mean, I did replay Mario 64 fairly recently with the past couple years.

And there are some aspects of it's like, this control is a little bit clunkier than I remember. Yeah, it sucks. Suck shit. Well, come on, man. What are you doing? Do you like cup and ball, you fucking asshole? I love cup and ball. You like cup and ball?

But here's the thing, Mitch, like that early 3D era, just to follow what you're saying, that early 3D era of gaming, like the mid-90s into the early 2000s, yes, they were figuring a lot of stuff out mechanically, and some of those games feel pretty ineligent by today's standards. But if you go back a little bit further, as you know, Mitch, some of those games that came from the 16-bit era when they'd really figured out 2D gaming are very playable in modern sense. You play a game like, like, you know, a link to the past or Super Mario World, those games, or Sonic the Hedgehog, too, those games feel very elegant and very modern. Yeah, some of them feel okay.

I like Crash Bandicoot, too. Oh, wow. And I have that on my Twitch now, Switch. Oh, Switch. You have, yes, they don't Twitch. You don't Twitch. But I have a Switch, and I do the Crash. It's kind of hard.

I think I have fighting theme. I think games are hard. Games are hard. Well, I think that's why, like, if you get good at it, you feel so good. Maybe that's why people love to be gamers. He's a big, Guag's a big gamer. So when you're good at it, it feels great. It does.

I will say this. Let's type back to something we were saying earlier. I'm learning piano as an adult. You're learning guitar, you're relearning violin. Mitch. Vocals. Yeah. When I'm struggling to learn a piece,

I think of my time playing Sekiro Shadows Die twice. and how many times it took me losing to Ishin Sword Saint before I finally beat him perhaps the most infamous notoriously difficult final boss in all of video gaming and the sense of triumph I felt when they finally defeated his third form

and I think about that and I'm like if I can do that I can learn the can'tina band theme from Star Wars on piano and I'm able to apply that sort of sense of dedication that sense of perseverance so yes I think that there is a tremendous sense of accomplishment that comes from video gaming Yeah.

Yeah. This may seem harsh, but I think you should be euthanized. Emma, you put a lot of time into Breath of the Wild, I know. You have a few games that you play the shit out of. You're playing Stardew Valley now. But you know the phenomenon of like you get really into a game. You really get deep into it and you do start to feel some sort of ownership over. It becomes like a weird obsession where you're like so proud of yourself for like growing a good pumpkin.

You're like, oh, cool, I did it. Or like the boss fights is a big one. I feel like there's a lot of times where I try to beat something and I can't, like, I just keep losing. And so I just walk away from it for a few hours and then I come back and then you crush it and you're like, yeah. It's so sad as I. That is another thing because like your subconscious works on tasks

when you're not doing it. It's the same thing you probably as a writer have experienced the moment of having a breakthrough when you're just like on a walk. Sure. I'm not even thinking about it. And it's just like, oh, wow, I figured it out. Yeah. I'm not trying to insult the game twist.

I just going to go back on this here for a second. Twisted metal and Twisted metal, too. They're good games. Yeah. And Twisted metal black, right? Because of Metal Black is, I mean, that's an even better game. These are great games. The ones that are more recent are much easier to play.

Yeah. You don't want to play Jacks. Jacks was a great game, you know. I love Cupp and Ball. I love Jacks. You love Cubs ball and you love Jacks. Pick up sticks? I mean, leave me alone.

I got to pick up these sticks. Have you ever actually tried to play Jacks? It's kind of hard. It is hard. It is hard. Just like video. That's what I'm saying. They don't suck.

They're just very hard to play. Speaking of hard games, did anyone ever play MIST? Yeah. Yes. I played MIST as well. MIST is if you liked MIS, there's a game called Blueprints that I'm kind of on. Well, here's the thing. I played too much blueprints and I got, I no longer like blueprints.

But there are some people who really like blueprints. It's a similar sort of experience for Missed. I loved MIST, but I didn't know what, I didn't know what was happening ever. Mist is extremely confusing. And I didn't, as a kid. There's no description, no, not. Intentionally opaque. Yes.

You had to keep a journal, which I didn't. Did you play mist? No. Okay. We got to get it. I literally turned it on and started and this isn't for me. Yeah. I got lost in that mist and I loved it.

I played the sequel Riven, which was also very hard. It was, it was, and I was just like, you had to figure out clues and then, like, write stuff down, but I would just click around enough that I would, like, figure stuff out. And I never really got the hang of it. It looked beautiful, though. I missed a beautiful world, Ribbon, beautiful worlds. I made it, yeah, go on. Well, Homer also kind of, they kind of did a missed thing when Homer goes 3D in the Treehouse of Hours episode.

Yeah, it's somewhat mislike. I mean, it's, you know, kind of evoking Tron as well. I had an incident, Mitch, where I was trying to pick up Riven at the GameStop, at the mall, actually bought Piven, the Jeremy Pivens, him. The very, oh, my God. That's my favorite joke you've told all day. I'm wondering what the levels are on that game. I got an audition for entourage. I was texting Amelia because I didn't want to say, but something fell out of my ear.

What? Right now? Something fell out of my ear, and I just want to make sure that it's not caught on camera. Right now? Right now. Do you a second? It was fine. It was like, I thought there was a hair or something about an air. Just a huge chunk of wax?

I hope it was not a chunk of wax. I didn't know what it was and I went like that and I was afraid of that. I just was trying to mark the time. I was trying to do it non-discreetly, but then you were talking to me and then you told this fucking Piven joke and I felt like everyone saw me texting and I had to tell. It's fine. It might have been a fish oil. I never clicked. Emma, wait, you referenced growing pumpkins. Are you romancing anyone in Surdy Valley? Um, no, but I, not yet. Well, I just don't keep,

Romance is a key element of this game. Romance is like, romance people. I keep talking to just like everyone and giving them things and hoping that they like the gifts that I give them. Yeah, sure. Um, I did make it through one whole year and I just had the spring dance and Sam agreed to dance with me and I didn't have to watch everybody dance like a loner in the

corner. So I felt like I'm making progress. Sam's kind of a bad boy in my memory. He like plays video games a lot next to the river and he gives me like stoner skateboard vibes. That's the vibe I get from him. Yeah, he's cool. Okay.

Wait. This is sounding hot. It's like so cute. Confused. It's like Animal Crossing with dating. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

And no, you're not dating animals. You're dating people. But they're not real people. No, they're NBC's. Okay, they're NPCs. Okay. Yeah, you're like a little farm, you're growing crops and raising animals and dating people. It's cute.

It's very peaceful. Like little house on the prairie or something. It's like a very no-stress game. You're just kind of lock around water and your crops checking. out the town. It's cute. Very cute. That's very cute. Mitch, a lot of people aren't aware of how much they spend each month. Do you know how many subscriptions you pay for? I have no idea, Wags. Oh, my God.

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Where is ice cream in your dessert hierarchy? Yes, a second question. And are you a sweet tooth? Are you a sweet tooth? Secondly, how do you feel about frozen yogurt specifically? Because, you know, Froyo versus ice cream, the eternal struggle, like where, in which camp do you lie? For me, I'm always going to be like frozen yogurt is the second choice.

I love ice cream. But I don't know, Froyo has its place. Yeah. Froyo is a fun name. I give it that. Yeah. Or Frogert, also fun to say? Brogert is fun to say.

But it's never beaten ice. scream. No. It's like, it's a little indulgence when you're still trying to be kind of good. I mean, like, I think that if you,

honestly, I'll say this. If I want to go like fruity toppings, I like having a frou and the tart base. It's more of what you're in the mood for, Wags. Yeah. I think they sold it to college girls as like the low calorie,

no sugar. They definitely did. It was full of horrible things. Right. We were like, but this doesn't have calories. So they would, like, sell it to us, you know, on the campuses. Yeah.

And it worked. And it worked. Yeah. And they were lying. But now it is. I would always go ice cream over. Sure. But, like, when you think, oh, I should be having low fat something.

Yes. Oh, I guess I will. Yeah, that sort of was. It was the low fat thing. Low fat. They do it with muffins. They did it with everything kind of sweet. Yes.

Yeah. Not to genderize it here, but ladies love the frathings. It's, that, I think that's the truth. And I think we're being sold a whole bunch of lies. I was like how they pitch this low fat, but then they let you fill your own cup. So it's like low fat, but as much as you want. Yeah, but have a pound of it. Yeah, throw a bunch of Eminem's on top of it.

And it's like, little stuff in there. Yeah, yeah. It's just like full chemical. Right. Yes. But the boys, give us the cream. I want the cream. I want the cream.

You are on the same side. All right, yeah. No, I'm on the same side. I'm just telling what I've been through. Yeah, I'm a full creamer. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Full creamer over here as well. Cream, loads. What other nickings do we get?

But a nice frozen yogurt has its place. Yes. I'll say this. I wasn't expecting much and I had a good time today. Yeah, I will say the same very generally. But talking about ice cream, like, for me, it's my favorite dessert. So, like, I'm in Hoghaven just having all these frozen sweet treats. Like, Grant, is ice cream, like, where does that rank? Would you take a cookie over it, a brownie? What's your number one? Yeah, I think my top cookies are probably top.

Wow. For me, a cookie or a pie. What kind of cookie? A chocolate chip. Okay. Wow. Crispy or soft? Great question.

It really depends, but I usually lean soft. Sure. Soft as well. I don't like this. The top of the mountain for me is probably like a banana cream pie. Oh, my God. That's a good choice. That's the top dessert.

Fuck, banana cream pie is so fucking good. But ice creams in the upper actually, it's top. After those, it's probably ice cream. Patty, you seem to be a crispy food person in every regard. You just didn't like. Dessert and food. Because you like the crispy burger patties, the crispy fries. I like a thin crisp cookie.

Interesting. And then if I was going top dessert, it would probably be like a creme brulee. Ooh, I like that answer. top that you... Do you hate the goo underneath? Do you want just that sheet of crisp? It's a good combo. Okay. I think it's a good combo.

Textural contrast is delightful. Yeah. God. Yeah. I like a nice softy though sometimes. I like a lava cake. I think I lean more soft desserts. I'm then crisp desserts.

I like a soft... Soft and goo. Soft and goo. I like a soft gooey. That is the truth. A soft gooey dessert is up my alley. You know what I like? I think I just like different textures.

I think I like... Because you said banana cream, you said banana cream pie, and I just lit up because, like, banana cream pie is so good. But, like, you know, you're getting some fluffiness, you know, but you're getting some creaminess. But then you're also getting, like, the, you know, the chunk of the crust. You're kind of getting all those different things. And you get that perfect bite that's kind of getting them all. Some bananas might be in there, too. Exactly.

Yeah, you get a little bit of everything. So fun. I worked at two candy shops. Wow. Actually, one was candy and one was desserts. That was my high school dreams. Sweet things. and I did get fired for stealing

You stole What did you steal? I would steal like full gift baskets Oh my God Patty I know You deserve to be in the world Of twisted metal You're as twisted as everyone else in the world

I know I'm evil You stole gift baskets I know I got fired And I But I had a dream about it the other night And I think that like The gods have forgiven me

because I had a great time there the other night in my dream. Oh, did you really? Yeah. Like, oh, I can't say this story. But basically we would eat a lot of the candy. That's fine. You can say the story. Sweet Things isn't going to pull anything on you now, I don't think.

Or maybe they will. I can't tell the other story. I'll tell you after. The second place was an ice cream. It was a dessert restaurant where you would go, like, after dinner with a date. Or so long. like an ice cream Sunday with your date. What was that called?

That was De Brand Fine Chocolates. Wow. Okay. It was their last name was Brand, but they wanted to make it French. So it was like de Brand. Oh. And we had to wear berets. Is that true?

Yeah. And I ate so much of that. I stole so much candy. But I quit before I got fired. Wow. Do you steal anything from Twisted Metal set in season two? Who me?

Yeah, yeah. No. I think it'd be right that day. No, I didn't. I didn't. I wanted some shoes, but I think they're all packed up.

Oh, shit. Pinkberry was founded in 2005 in West Hollywood by Shelley Wong and Young Lee. Huge lines and buzz in its heyday. Grant, you may have lived not too far from it. I'm not sure if you live in the same time frame,

but like, does anyone remember when Pinkberry was a high rod? I vividly remember. I remember Pinkberry craze here in Hollywood. Yeah. I remember I didn't know what it was. I'd hear that word. Yes. Not knowing what it was and not understanding. And then I think I found out a month later, it's frozen yogurt. And then I was like, oh, okay. And then someone said it was tart. None of it really made sense. Yeah. But it was, it did feel very, I don't know, it was a huge deal. Everyone was going. It felt very fancy when it first. It did feel kind of fancy. When it first opened, I specifically was like, I look too much just like shit to go into Pinkberry is kind of how I felt. Yeah, you'd be looking at cool people like waiting in a two-hour line. Yeah, yeah.

And it looked like an Apple store before Apple stores existed. It had that sort of presentation. And so, yes, there was like a veneer of like, you know, respectability to the whole enterprise. And it was just, but looking back as this thing is now just like in mall food courts. And it feels like just like the same. on the exact same level as like a yogurt land or a menchies or whatever the fuck. It like, it just feels so asynchronous. There was at that one point, like celebrities were like going to Pinkberry.

I felt like Paris Hilton was going to. It's so weird. I think I have such a relationship with it because I think it was right when I moved to L.A. Okay. Like I arrived and Pinkberry arrived around the same time. You guys came at the same time. And so from Indiana, we didn't have anything like that. Sure.

So I was very intrigued. and excited about this craze. What year did you move to Los Angeles? 2005. Wow. That's when I did my internship. I moved here in 2005 as well. Really?

Oh, wow. I didn't officially move, but I was here for my internship then. Oh, cool. But that's like... What do you steal from there? From the internship? Yeah, honey candy. My innocence is all that.

I'm just kidding. There are over 250 locations worldwide of Pinkberry. the very dark thing I mentioned in the intro, but co-founder Young Lee was convicted of assaulting an unhoused man with a tire iron in 2014 and sentenced to seven years in prison without parole. So like, you know, Mitch, the CEOs, the founders of these places are all people like Papa John Schnauter, Karl Carcher of Carl's Jr., you know, who funded so many like anti-abortion and anti-gay causes with his fortune. They're true goblins, but this guy, Chick-fil-A guy, steak and shake.

Family. Yeah, Biglari from Steak and Shake, can we mention this very episode? They're all pieces of shit, but this guy maybe takes a game. Not fair to goblins, honestly. Goplas aren't that bad. Way worse than goblins.

We last reviewed Pinkberry back in 2016. It's been a while since we revisited it. We all gave it three forks and we're in the handholding club. Here's what I will say about Pinkberry. My two big question marks I had from this experience was... Can you say, if you have a tire and don't beat someone with it? Any of our listeners, don't beat someone with a weapon. It's not what it's for.

It's not what it's for. It's for changing tires. I think you just made a difference telling the listeners not. Thank you. I agree. If you're in like maybe a life or death scenario, though, like it was like you, you're like apocalyptic sort of thing and you kind of have to do it to survive to protect your family, that's one thing. All right, that's fair.

Also, if someone like really pisses you off. Someone really makes you mad or just kind of like looking at you like and you don't like the look of them. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you can do it. That's okay. But, you know, just. only in those specific circumstances.

The two question marks I had were they put smoothies out there, like they're in their, like they're advertising them on their website, but I did not find a location that actually had smoothies. It doesn't seem like you can actually get them. And the other thing is when they launched, they had two flavors. They had original, which is kind of their general sort of tart flavor, tart yogurt flavor, and then green tea. Green tea soon to have been excised from their menu.

And that's such a thing I think of as being associated with pinkberry, and I'm not sure why they did that, especially because it feels like macha green tea is like, the flavor that's in the Zikex now. Didn't the mascot have a little green head at one point? Yeah, bring the green back. What's going on? There was a little, wasn't there a little pink?

It was like a little squirrel, yeah. Yeah. I feel like that was part of the brand identity, too. Because I remember people being like, oh, it's from Korea or it's a, like, it was this special delicacy that seemed like it was very popular in other parts of the world. And then the green tea kind of like fed into that. Yes. But yeah, to drop that flavor.

I think I remember. I think I remember the day I went to Pinkberry And I saw the guy Pouring the like stuff into the machine Oh like the syrup This like the bag of like Yeah the fake stuff That was going to be in the thing

And I think I was like oh Yeah Oh Ru in the fantasy for me I'm thinking Menchies I'm thinking of the Menchies mascot The Mench's Maybe there was just a berry on Pinkberry

That's a little Barry sitting on top Did they have a hat? There is no, there's no hash. It might just be the green stem of the berry. That is, Grant's got it correct. That's that on the little end there, that little berry. There's no mascot. Okay.

They were like, the stores were glittery, weren't they? Yeah. They weren't they, like, shiny? They were shiny, but very kind of, there was, yeah, very clean. It always felt very clean and almost kind of clinical. And I also remember, like, you know, back at the, and they'll still do this to some extent, but it's just like, you know, you're getting your, your yogurt with blackberries, on it. They're like basically taking tongs and like picking individual blackberries and placing

them, you know, in a very aesthetically pleasing way. So it's like, yeah, it had this feeling of everything being kind of, you know, curated and handcrafted as much as yogurt could be. And that's all kind of gone away just in the sake of making it more efficient. So I went on my own because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to make it in time for the meal. Thankfully, I was able to join with everyone's bites today. But I did go in advance. I went and got strawberry shortcase. in person to the Fox Hills Mall. I said it was strawberries, blackberries. This is a double cream month for you because you have been afraid to miss every meal,

but you've gotten all of them. So you've been double dipping in the cream. Hey, you know, it's not the worst thing in the world. I get to have a little extra cream. But I like, I went on my own just in case. I got the strawberry shortcake, strawberries, blackberries, cheesecake bites, and coconut flakes. And today I got the pomegranate with mango kiwi, cap, and crunch, and fruity pebbles.

I have everyone else's orders here, but like I do we want to just talk through what we got? You got yourself an original tart. I got myself an original tart. Yeah. It was, I got Cap and Crunch on there. I got strawberry popping bobo, which everyone seemed to be very interested in when I showed them. Like salmon fish. It looked like you guys thought it was row for a long time.

And I said, it's actually strawberry popping boba. And then your tunes changed pretty quick. Then it became, ooh, can we try some? And I said, yeah, you can try some. You remember all this? And so I let you guys try some of my boba. And I like the popping boba. I think it's nice little, like I don't want gummy worms necessarily.

I love gummy worms, but I don't want gummy worms necessarily. I don't want that on my yogurt. And also they get hard. They turn, the gummy worms turn into little hard worms. You don't you love that fake dirt dessert? I do like, I do. Well, that's the dirt cup. That's its own thing.

That is hot. That's not cold. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, no, dirt cup is dirt cup cold? I thought dirt cup is cold. It can be cold.

Yeah. Isn't it? What the is? fuck is in a dirt cup you know what you're talking about oh it is pudding chocolate pudding with crumbles oh like that you have a kfs oh i'm thinking of the old parfays from kFC sorry no no i mean probably very similar and it's like it's like cookies and cream and like uh and and in chocolate pudding but i let everyone have some of my story pop and boba and i had strawberries and there too and i would got to tell you it was quite the mix uh with the original tart

medium-sized I enjoyed it you had a bite of mine right I did I like I did like your combo I like the I think the Captain Crunch is maybe my favorite the Captain Crunch works

really well on on a frozen yogurt and I feel like that's like it's at every frozen yogurt chain now right like isn't it or I think it's it's kind of become a staple yeah yeah Patty so we had some issues with your order because one of the toppings you wanted

was not available but you got a pomegranate yogurt with honey granola and a chocolate hazelnut, which just, I think, just came bare bones, right? Well, the menu is extensive on the website. Yes. And so I was going to get crazy with it. Right.

And so I ordered a latte flavor, which they promised me on the site. And then what was the other one? Ube honey. Ube honey. Ube. Yeah, sounds fun. I want to try that. Let's say the online menu is a lot of.

like Twist's Metal on PS1 It looks like shit It's hard to navigate I think more the The opposite maybe Hard to get to the next level The online menu Was more like the old school

Steak and Shake menu Yeah right right It's presenting options That are all longer available Yeah And so you're looking to the online menu Your appetite is getting wet It's like oh I get to try all these things

Oh my mouth is watering Ordering these things And then you try to actually go to in store And there's so much variation between individual franchises in terms of what they're offering. So I did have pomegranate flavor, which was really good. I did like the pomegranate quite a bit. I did too.

I think that was my favorite. Yeah, it was real good. And then chocolate hazelnut. My favorite topping is the little crunch. Chocolate, bowl. Milk chocolate crunch. Baby ball. And that's what you had on yours, Amelia, and you kindly offered up.

You offered some. Patty wanted that on her. You wanted it on you. yours, right? Or no? I did, but I think that was for my old order that just... Got it, got it, got it, got it. You know, we all got it. We got boned. But the pomegranate was really, really, really good. I liked that. Grant, you got the, the, they have a seasonal summer melon crush flavor. You also got a tart and a hazelnut. Yeah, I just ordered more than everyone because I thought it. You should try them all. No, you were smart. I was

I was happy that we all did it. We got to take bites. That's what we wanted. Yeah, the tart, I had granola and almonds on it. It was okay. I've never been a big fan of the tart. The chocolate hazelnut was decent. It had brownies and peanut butter cups on it.

It was probably a little too much chocolate. And I'm just going to, I need to say, the mini peanut butter cups have never worked and are still not working because the chocolate to peanut butter ratio is all out of whack we're talking about the real little guys yeah you're dropping a big bomb here yeah no i want is it there's like no peanut butter in there yeah there's too the chocolate casing is too dense yeah and just like when you get some of the larger format risa's items the chocolate's a little too dense yeah there's not enough peanut butter but flavor was fine and then the summer

summer melons or I don't know what it's called the summer melon series summer melon crush the summer melon crush I was looking forward to and then did not love because I there was like a dairy thing going on

in what felt it should have been more an ice based fruit I agree I had this similar sort of experience with I took a I was like took a bite of that bad boy and it's just like it feels like it should be more like a like a sorbet almost like make this a dairy

free flavor, you know, really lean into the melon. I don't know. It just that one really didn't work for me. But yes, Patty, I agree the pomegranate was good. I got my toppings I got was mango, kiwi, cap and crunch, and fruity pebbles, which again nice textural variance. Elementary school ass

order you got there. What the fuck are you talking about? You got cap and crunch on yours and strawberry popping bubble. What are you doing? Elementary school order because I got two cereals and you got one? When you open yours up. I got the more adult cereal. Swapping Swapping fruity pebbles for strawberry popping boba puts you in grad school.

What's what you talking about? Captain. A captain crunch is more adult than fucking the fruity pebbles. I also got a cap and crunch. Yeah, well, you got the fruity pebbles and your ice cream was pink and it looked like a little kid's ice cream. I got mango. That's what Patty got. I did get that flavor, but I did look over at yours when you took the top off and I gasped because I forgot what we were doing.

And I could not tell what I was looking at. Yeah, I will say, I thought mine was great. I like the little bit of crunch I got, and I like the mango and kiwi were the right pairings for the tangy zip of the pomegranate. I was just so surprised by how good that pomegranate flavor was. The strawberry shortcake, to me, comparatively underwhelmed. It tasted a little bit, I don't know, you know, the sciencey sort of art, like fake cake sort of flavor to it. I just, I would have liked a pure strawberry. It would be a good gimmick dessert?

What's that? Have you had a restaurant? I think this is a good idea. No one's going to like it. Say it. No, it's not good. But I genuinely think it's a good idea. I'm not going to do it.

I want to hear it. It's strawberry tall cake to have like a tall version of strawberry shortcake. I love that. Like a stack super super high with like lots of the layers. I love that. If you want a whole restaurant dedicated to strawberry tall cake? I mean, I don't think, yeah. Or just like a special to dessert.

A big tall strawberry short cake. Thank you. I think it's maybe a novelty dessert and a larger concept. I don't think it could sustain a restaurant of itself. I didn't want to say because you don't think I'm joking around here. I can be dead serious on this show sometimes. I don't know if the slices would stand alone because they'd be so tall. We could have little things to hold them up or something.

Okay. Well, like dowels? Yeah, yeah, some sort of dowel or some sort of. That's great to have like structural items within cake. Strawberry tall cake. Yeah. That's fun. Is it not fun?

I love that. Thank you. Yeah, eating around a wood pill. You have like a shish kebab of cake. That's fun. That's fun. That's fun. Yeah.

That's all. That's all I had to say. I think that I think the move with the strawberry tall cake, you bring it out like this. You don't have a structural element supporting it. And then you turn it on and to eat. So it's like the presentation is like you're walking out. It's nice and tall. But then like I'm going to put it on your side so the table can enjoy it.

If we had Patty and I actually in our good friend, Greg Warswick had a meal at the Cheesecake Factory together. Oh, that was wonderful. Up in Toronto? Uh, no, here in Los Angeles, wags, where doughboys began. Oh, you went to that, the OG one. That's where it began. We were at the OG. The Grove Cheesecake Factor, we conceived the idea for this very podcast.

Yes. I recently passed guest and friend of the show, Sonny Sharp. I recently had a meal with him there. Did you really? I did, yeah. Oh, I love it. Can we go back? Of course.

I would love to go back. Yeah. We're Stubbs. We're Stubbs members. We're Stubbies. So we should go. What did we see together? An A-list.

I forget. I forget, too. I forget. Oh, we saw Drop. Fun. We saw Drop. That's right. Drop was kind of fun.

We liked it. But we went to the OG Wags. Yeah. The creation of the fingers touching the first doughboys moment there. I love an inception story. You have an inception story? No, I love them. You just explained your inception.

Oh, I thought she said she had an inception story. I'm sorry, I apologize. Yeah, I got incepted. I got knocked out on plane. I stole a safe code and inside my subconscious. I woke up in the grove. Then I went when I saw my son. Should have inspected you to not do the podcast and get rid of this idea.

I really liked mine today and I liked mine okay when I went over the weekend. And I mean, like, how are we rank in yogurt? Like, who is, what's the number one yogurt spot right now? I have no fucking idea. Is it Menchies? It's, I think it probably is Menchies, right? Is it Menchies? Probably.

Yeah. Do you mean in terms of, like, like, you know, market dominance? Yeah, or do you mean in terms of, like, what's the gold standard? What's the best one? Yeah. Who's the top, yeah. Who's the top yogurt? What's known is, like, the number one?

Uh, I mean, it might be, it might be yogurt. land still just because yogurt land kind of went everywhere. I bet. Yeah. Yogurt land. But there might be some newcomer who everyone's like this is the spot. I don't know. I just feel like I generally feel like frozen yogurt right didn't right now is in a bit of a recession. I feel like like ice cream is kind of risen up and I think you're also seeing like these places that are I feel like like like you know boba places and like milk tea places or like kind of like taking that what used to be the frozen

yogurt category. Will yogurt return in space balls too? First question. and will, like our friend Charles Ingram predicted, will baby Yoda be called gogurt. That was his prediction. That's really cute. I think that's cute. I think it probably will happen. I mean, what's interesting you bring that up is I felt like Pinkberry when it came out,

everyone was freaking out about frozen yogurt. And that seemed like the second coming of frozen yogurt. Right. Because it was big about 15 years prior. Yes. There's a TCBY and Penguins era. And then it quieted down. Right.

Right. And then Pinkberry brought in this more, it was kind of like the second wave. And it was kind of fancier. Like I felt like when yogurt first started, I felt like it was like purely ice cream rip off. It was the same thing. It was like, it was toppings and ice cream flavor type stuff. Yeah. Yes, the toppings of it. I'll see if I can get any context on what the big frozen yogurt chains are right now. But, like, I will just say the thing I like about Pinkberry is I feel like their toppings curation, although it's a little bit irritating that it does not line up with what they promise on their website. I do feel like they have good toppings, and I like that they have like a handful of like the more indulgent, sillier, you know, more childlike options, Mitch.

But I also like that they have a lot of fresh fruit, which you don't always see at these places. Yeah. You don't necessarily, like kiwi, fresh mango, fresh strawberries, fresh blackberries, the blueberries, these aren't necessarily things that you're always going to encounter at your standard frozen yogurt bar. I think in person is the way to go with pinkberry. Yeah. Because you get to see. And the thing, they call their, like, chocolate little things, a different name than what I would normally. think they're called like nims or something what are they nibs not like coco nibs no it's not even that it's like

i don't know well those crunch balls i had to literally google the little things the little balls the little balls and then they used to have kind of like a gooey little ball mix oh yes i saw that there it was there okay well that what you wanted i think when you're like looking online it's harder to know like what these names of things are. So I think you've got to go in person. I think the website sucks. And you got to get in and say, ooh, those little goo balls. And then this little giblets.

Oh, yeah, I want that jiblet. I want that ghibit. I want that ghou ball. I think that's the way to, I think that's how you do. I agree with you. I think like these frozen yoga places are go in person types of. Even every, most ice cream places you want to go in person. 100%.

But having been in person, I will say that, yes, it's more fun to order and you get to, oh, what is that? okay, I'll have some, that's how I land on cheesecake bites. It began with the question, what is that? Cheesecake bites, oh, have some cheesecake bites, you know. I do like that part of the experience. My Pinkberry wasn't any better because I had it at the mall food court instead of having it, you know, here at Headgum. In terms of locations and market presence, Menchies is number one. Wow.

Then yogurt land. The third above TCBY, which is still hanging in there, and Pinkberry. And the third place is Sweet Frog, the Christian, frozen. and yogurt chain, which is big in the South. Never heard of that. Oh, Jesus cream. I didn't know. You didn't? None of us did.

Well, they did. Amelia, you got the coconut yogurt, the dairy-free, which I thought was good as hell. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, and you got some coconut shavings, chocolate crumbles, raspberries, milk, chocolate, crunch. Is that right? I liked it. No, it was better than all right. You're a coconut skeptic.

This is an issue. I like coconut. No, I think you're a coconut skeptic. Oh, interesting. Because I feel like you have a reaction That had too much coconut in it I feel like you have that happen a lot I'm a comedian and oftentimes

Like as gags coconuts are falling on our heads So yeah I have an aversion to them It's a classic bit A lot of that and twisted metal season two There's a lot of coconuts falling on stew's head It's season two Cars slipping on bananas

It's very Mario Kart this season But you But like I liked yours You were down with that coconut? Oh, yeah. I was very down with it. I liked how light and it was a dairy-free version. And it was really, it felt light.

It felt delicious. Yours had me wondering. No, no, yours had me wondering. You've worked here for so long. What about are you talking about? I could say anything about the food. You're doing great. Yours did have me wondering, like, is dairy-free the way to go at the pink bear?

Oh, that's the way to go. Yeah. This is just mad at me because I got a better order than him. That's not true. That's not true at all. I like that coconut's also kind of like bowling balls. That's kind of fun. That is fun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. I mean, like any other thoughts on Pinkberry? Is there anything we missed? I want to make sure we covered everyone's orders and toppings properly. My only thought on Pinkberry, and I think on they seem to be the only frozen yogurt chain that does kind of their angle, the whole tart. that whole thing.

I in general think I just prefer a more ice cream-like frozen yogurt flavor. Like, I don't love their flavors. There's no peanut butter. There's no salted caramel. I guess I want, savory isn't the word, but I want something less kind of. Rich-ish. I want something more rich and less tardy, I think. I think this is a good insight because, like, they're kind of, for a while,

they had like their like minimalism was their whole thing. It's like we're only going to do a couple of flavors. We're going to do a handful of toppings. It's going to be very fruit forward. It's going to be more tart. And now they've kind of tried to become like a yogurt land. But they're not going all the way where they have all like the, you know, the really indulgent flavors.

And like I feel like the ones they do have like a chocolate hazeln that's like kind of half in half out. Yeah. They're not committing. It's not that rich. Exactly. Yeah. So has anyone ever made a pickle ice cream?

I'm sure someone has. That sounds a little bit good. It sounds a little bit good. With chocolate covered of chips in it? Oh. Wait, chocolate covered chips or chocolate chips? Oh, chocolate covered potato chips. That's interesting.

Where is this coming from? I don't know. Are you a pickle fan? I was just curious. I love pickles. Do you like like a dill pickle? What do you like going? Yeah, dill.

Only dill. Got it. But I'm just wondering with a pickle ice cream because I feel like you kind of have to lean into the sweetness a little bit. Like it's going to be a little bit more relevant. Or are you saying like it'd be like a really like kind of tart like sour sort of ice cream? I don't know. Hmm.

We don't have to figure out with it. But we like the idea. It'll go in our cheese, in our tall, strawberry tall cake restaurant. Strawberry tall cake, a sign of pickle ice cream. I think that sounds great. I don't like the ones that are more cucumbery. You know what I'm talking about? Is that like a.

Oh, I like those. Oh, do you really? Like a Jewish deli you get. No, the pickles. Like when you go to a deli, they kind of give you a selection. of brines or some of them are very dilly and summer mind. I need like the very dill. I need like the very vinegory.

I like a more vinegory pickle. You'll sometimes get like a sunomono. I think it's called it's a the cucumber salad. You'll get a like Japanese restaurant. That's fun. Yeah. And that's like very vinegory, but it's not as pickled. And here's my issue with this.

It's like make up your mind. Are you a cucumber or you a pickle? And this little in between thing is not working for me. You got to pick one side or the other. You need a. The gender. I said, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. It's not what I'm saying.

But I want, I want a pickle or a halve a cucumber salad. And then when it's kind of tastes like a cucumber, I don't like it. I don't like it as much. I want, I want, like, the pickle vinegar. And I love vinegar. Yeah. I want that taste. You're saying cute makes you puke.

Cuke doesn't make me, I, I don't love cucumbers as far as vegetables go. But I do love pickles. Right. And I know that they're cucumbers. Cucumber is kind of the twisted metal on PlayStation 1 of vegetables. I'm not insulting the game, Sony. I love the game. Just an absolute unforced error.

No need for you to have said anything. Jesus Christ, I suck it. I suck at podcasting. You're doing great. You're doing so great. That's the only thing I do as I podcast. You're an actor too. That's right.

You're thriving. You're killing it. You'll kill it in. And you're a stage actor. That's right I am I'm a stage actor You kill it in season two of Twitsamel And you knocked it out of the park

With the scripts And you were so fantastic As Raven which we didn't Are so fantastic I can't wait to see Yeah Raven and Stu Are both amazing That's this season

It's very fun I think everybody's so great There was a scene There was one day I was having brain fog And you were very nice to me After the scene And I apologized to you later

But you were very nice And you're like that was great And I was like I sucked And I walked away I gave him a compliment, and it was like, he yelled at me. I was like, I fucking sucked and, like, went into the bathroom. And then later, I was like, I'm sorry.

I mean, I didn't really yell at you, but I was, I was being very down on myself. And you were very kind. And you always knocked it out of the park. You were always so good. Every take, as an actor, it's that sort of thing. How do you do it? I don't know how people, like you do it. You were doing it.

I, yeah, I sucked. I suck here, too. I suck at podcasting. This is the best podcast I don't know like You guys have probably heard this so many times But this is like the best podcast And so much fun to listen to and be on

Like listening to people talk about food There's something so wonderful about it But you guys are so funny It's just Two big fatties We were born for this It's perfect It's such a great idea

Like to dive in like this That cheese cake factory day He said it And it was, Wags brought it up. And I thought it was a good idea, but I was like, it might kill us. And I was kind of right. We were both right. We were both right.

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and any previous experiences, and then end by giving it a score from, zero to five twisted spoons Mitch what are we, what are we landing on? Ravens wings or we've we've changed it's been out of headbands

sweet tooth's truck I believe right is a is what the other thing but so Ravens voodoo dolls Ravens voodoo dolls that's pretty fun it's up to you guys what you would want to do wheels how about a how about Ravens Voodoo donuts Hey that's pretty good

But also that makes no sense. Just merging. Yeah, it's just merging two things, one that has nothing to do with us. We can rank it out of a Twisted Metal 1 on PS1. Mitch, that's the way to go. How many Twisted Metal 1 on PS1s does Pinkberry get? All right, perfect. Grant, your thoughts, your spoon score.

Yeah, I think I probably gave most of the thoughts. Pinkberry's decent, it's fine. would not eat again ever. Wow. I think it's decent and fine for everyone else in this room. Don't enjoy. Wait a minute. Fine for everyone else in the room.

Flavors are not good. Thank you. And I'll give it one twisted metal on PlayStation 1. Wow. Out of five, yeah. One twisted metal on PlayStation 1 out of 5. Damn, you just fucking. Yeah.

You fucked up Pinkberry. I was not kidding from your energy at all that you hated this. I mean, can you be that surprise? Yeah, I don't, I'm not a big, you know, angry frowner, but I've been seething inside. Wow. Yeah, I don't like it. Wow. I don't like it.

One spoon. Patty, your thoughts, your score. Okay. Not one spoon. One twist the middle. One PlayStation. The disc. We'll say it's a disc.

Yeah. One disc. This will make it easy. Yeah. So it's always, since its inception, been close to my heart. Wow. My pink heart. That's true.

That sounds weird. Okay. No, your heart's pink. You're like blue and stuff too, right? And I was craving it. What? An anatomical model? I was thinking of the anatomical heart.

Red and blue. It's like pink and blue and like a lot of different weird colors. I don't know. I've never seen one in real life. I have no idea, but it is like a. Yeah. My dad had an open-heart surgery. I didn't sneak in and see anything.

Like, I'm just saying I've never seen a heart, but it's kind of blue. Not even like the science history museum or anything? Yeah, I feel like I've seen one. Hold on. I'm going to look up a hard. I think of red as a dominant color, but I guess it's a bunch of different hues on there, yeah. I'm Googling it.

It's not black, hopefully. And I think you're in trouble. Okay. Yeah. Well, and I was actually craving this pinkberry about a week ago, and I brought it up to Kyle, and I said, I want Pinkberry. I love it. And that was before I knew this was Pinkberry Day.

Wow. So I've had it. Is Kyle a fan of, uh, is Kyle a fan of Pinkberry or no? We've gone there before. We have made an outing. But I don't think I need to go back for a long time. Yeah. I think I could probably go a year.

Um, so that's not, what is Kyle Kennedy, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, you're lovely boyfriend. What is, what does he think of? Pinkberry? Did he have fun when you guys went or no? It's been a few years. That's why I was craving it. Oh, so you just didn't go. I didn't go last week. I didn't go. Oh, I said I wanted to go. We thought you had a date night of Pinkberry. No. Yes, that's what I was that. Oh. But I was like, I want Pinkberry. So Kyle just got screwed in this. I was like, is it still there? I had that conversation. Yeah. But, because it had been a few years and I think I could go a few more years. I think I need a few more years.

Wow. Wow. I know. I know. I know. I will say the tart is where it's at for me, and the pomegranate's all right. But I live near a Van Lewin, and I'm going there. Van Lewin, I've stayed away. They seem snooty to me. I mean, they're just a name sounds like a bad guy from a college movie or something. They're like on my block and that honeycomb, I'm going there. We've never done it.

Honeycomb's a money flavor. I do like Van Lewin. I'll go to Van Luen on my own. We've never reviewed it on the podcast. We never reviewed on the podcast. We could have done it, and you love it. How many discs, twist the metal discs? I'm going to give it one disc plus one broken second disc.

One and a half discs. Everyone hates Pinkberry. Holy shit. I'm surprised by this pan. Really? Here we go. That's the human heart here. Okay, pink.

Is that a physical heart? It's a physical heart, yes. It looks like a 3D model. It is a 3D model. I couldn't find it on fucking heart, all right? Hold on. I'll find one. This just looks fake.

It seems like a guy who just has a fake heart. That's a fake heart. That's a fake heart. Hold on. I'll find a real one. It's like a chicken breast. Do you want me to give my review while your Google image searching parts?

Sure. Okay. Ooh, this one's beating. Look it. That's pretty cool. That also looks like a model, but. Yeah, I know it's not real for fuck's sake. I'm going to find a real heart.

I was going to be kinder to Pinkberry. Because it seems like consensus is more like Stinkberry. And I'm kind of surprised by that, honestly. Because I thought it was fine. But when I think about it, Your points are well taken. When am I going back to Pinkberry, if not for content? If I think about it, Mitch, we last reviewed this in 2016, nine years ago.

In the intervening years, have I been to Pinkberry one time by choice? I don't think I have. Have you thought about it? Mm-mm. I haven't really, honestly, I haven't really interrogated it until now. And I'm thinking about it. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think I've, I don't think I've gone back. I don't think it's been in my mind.

Another revelation. I would choose dozens of dessert places. I don't think that's overstating it. I could probably list, I could easily list 24 different dessert places I would go to. 24?

Before I would get to lean on Pinkberry. Let's hear them. If I'm going to Pinkberry Tallcake. Strawberry tall cakes. If I'm just going to Pinkberry. Pick a ice cream shop. If I'm going to Pinkberry,

it would be like a decision of convenience. Like I'm at the airport. My particular terminal has one dessert option. It's Pinkberry. You want a good flight. You're going to buy one for the pilot. Fuck it.

I'll get a, yeah. Yeah, yes. I want to buy. I want to tip the pilot with a pinkberry. I'll get that for the cabin. This is a good thing out here. If you want a nice smooth flight, you give you a pile of a little something on the way.

That's how you do it. Avoid that servile. A little cream on the way in. Now would you take the pink burger up there? In the airport over a new stand candy item? No, I'd probably grab like a, like a, you know, some sort of energy bar candy bars. Yeah.

I'd probably do that. I probably grab a sack M&Ms. I mean, like, I don't know. So, so I was going to land on three twisted metal PlayStation 1 dishes because I was like, it's fine at what it's accomplishing. But when I actually think about it, I mean, it's kind of dangerous of the pilot. It could get in the controls and stuff like that. Yeah, we changed it from give the tip for the pilot to what he was getting for myself. Oh, okay, all right, sorry.

I'd have the good sense to not get the pilot M&M's. I know they're going to clog the instruments. I just want to make sure. Yeah. You don't want a fucking idiot. Controlls. Sticky, sticky, sticky up there. No chocolate in the cockpit. We don't want to clog the controls up there.

Smooth flight. I am going to land where Patty landed, which is one PlayStation 1 disc plus one broken and half disk. I think this is a 1.5 chain. I don't know. I'm actually comparing it against all desserts. Yeah, that's probably where it lands. My heart is racing.

I don't know if I'm sick or this is, made me nervous. But should we be rating it on its own thing and not comparing it? What it's trying, this is what we say. We have our own criteria. What it's trying to do. And what it's trying to do is be a frozen yogurt place. So you could say like frozen yogurt is inherently inferior to that, that's kind of what

I was thinking mentally. Frozen yogurt is inherently not going to be my favorite, my top dessert pick. So that. You love non-frozen yogurt. You're a huge yogurt guy. But even this execution, I was like, I don't know. Yeah, I probably don't have a reason to go here. So at 1.5 feels honest to me.

What do you think, Mitch? Oh, boy. Pinkberry is not the first thing I give to a pilot. You know, I would pick other, I would pick handles or something. Actually, I wouldn't give them any ice cream at all, probably. I feel like this is like the car thing all over again, except maybe even harder to deal with. You know, you're not supposed to open the...

You're not supposed to open the door to the cockpit. Oh, that's also true. That is, yeah. So you should never be handing anything to a puppy. Treats. you avoid the turbulence this time um i uh i i look stinkberry disgusting when you said stinkberry disgusting to me uh that's disgusting i was thinking up like a little brown stink berry um that is gross that's gross and i don't think that stink berry is that i mean i don't

think that pinkberry is that i don't think pink berry stink berry i think it's okay i like the original tart uh there's only one original tart my book though carl i like carl tart i like carol tart Um, he'll love that man. I love Carl Tart. I love Carl Tart. Um, uh, but I think that the original tart is pretty good and the fresh fruit toppings are fine. I don't know. Is it that different from Menchies? It's kind of the same shit to me. I don't know. Yeah. It's not, it's, there's nothing, do I think Menchies is all that better? Actually, Menchies is probably better. So I think like, I don't know. Very different than Menchies. It is different. To be fair.

All right. You know what? It does kind of suck. You guys won't be over. It sucks. It sucks. It's like place. It's like the place. It's like the place. PlayStation 1 Twisted Metal. I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it two, two PlayStation. Two, I'm going to give it two in the pink and one in the stinkberry. Two point, two, ugh. Two in the pinkberry and one in the stinkberry. This show sucks.

Do you think there's any chance, like the creator of the original twisted metal? David Jaffe. Yeah, decides to like, like, oh, they're doing a podcast about my game. Let's take a listen. He made a great game, and he's been very supportive of the show. So I like David Jaffe. I think David Jaffe. I think David Jaffe would know that the game is older and doesn't play as well anymore.

I think he knows that. I think someone in development would have a sense of, yes, it existed in a time and a place. Yes. I don't think that would be a self-assessment. He was a pioneer. He was. And they made a lot of great games. Yeah, I don't know.

Absolutely. Hey, that was our review of Pinkberry. It's time for a segment. What is the score of two and pink and one at two point? What? I said, oh, yes, just two discs. Two discs. Two discs.

It's time for a segment. I got a food stuff. We're going to decide if you should put it in your mouth. It's snack or whack. All right, Amelia, you're walking these over for us. My understanding is that these are some Swedish fish. That's right. That have these glow in the dark.

There's some strawberry watermelon glow-ups. We have to turn the lights out? Yeah, 100%. Oh, we can't. Oh, shit. Wait, can we? Yeah, we can. Oh, my God.

This is a dream comes true. We'll see if this reads on camera. I can't because it'll turn the cameras off too. Oh, okay. Dang it. Hold on, can I take that into it with the bathroom? Okay. Can you put it in your hand?

Yeah, we could cup it. Yeah. Yeah, so if you get the effect that way. I'm going to the bathroom. Okay. Unrelated? Yeah, just for a couple minutes. Is it just going to take his fish in the bathroom?

Do we need to charge it like a? Swedish fish mini glow up, strawberry dash watermelon with edible confetti that glows under, oh, it clothes under black light. Oh, do we have a black light? Do not shine a black light on me. This is so. So we got some twisted sweetish... Whole bottom half of your face lights up. I swear to God I wasn't sucking Wally off.

Does catches glow in the dark? I don't know. Here we go. I'm going to try these guys. These are some twisted Swedish. Oh, you didn't get in. Yeah, pass it back. Oh, yeah. Passing back. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Oh, wait. Oh, I only took one. I'm taking a handful. Are they all the same flavor? I only took like six. I believe they are all the same flavor. Oh, okay. I went to, um... Fatty, so I'm in three. Thank you.

I just wanted some. I went to the CBS and I had to get at, I was just prescribed Adderall and it was the only place I had Adderall. So I went to the CBS in Highland Park, basically. Wait, no. Where was it? I wasn't there. That's the only place that has Adderall? It was hard to get Adderall.

So they sent me to this one place and I went and got it. And I took a picture up and I sent it to you guys or to Amelia. And Amelia was like, you got to get that for the show. to get this for the show. Oh, yeah. So, you bought it already. I did not buy it already. I did not buy it already.

I used the doughboys car to buy this and my adderall. Oh, you're the adderall, too, then. No, no, no. I got to say this. I think these are pretty good. I like this. I don't like the fact that they glow in the dark. I feel like this is probably not a good thing.

I think it's just such a niche thing that you're around a black light. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I can't think the last time I was around a black light. College, maybe? It feels like they're doing this. It's for ravers. Oh, that's what it maybe is.

Maybe it's like a stoner culture pan. Ravers aren't eating usually. I wouldn't know. I mean, at raves, too, like, don't they have, like, candy? Like, sick on ring pops and shit like that. I don't know. I have no idea. But stoners.

Yeah, it could be that. But I think there's also, like, a level of, like, they just want to call it glow in the dark candy. So it gets like, oh, glow in the dark, let's get that. And then they don't realize that you need a black light to. Bambusal the children. I think there's a little bit of that going on. I got a question for you. Yeah.

And we take a black light to our turds later. Will they also be affected? That's a good question, Mitch. You can try it out in your home. Or poor back. Also, maybe put a couple of these in your pocket and running through the laundry. Yeah, this is, hey, no fischery here. No.

These are a snack. I love them. I mean, look, I'm on the record just saying gummy ain't yummy. That's just me not responding to gummy texture, but this is a well-executed flavor. I'm definitely getting a lot of watermelon from it, which I like. Less strawberry, but I mean, it is just maybe just a little bit sweeter than a straight-ahead watermelon, so I get it. No, does you put Bufan on once? I don't think the gimmick quite works, but I do think this is a snack.

No, these Bifanon? What's that? What's up? Yeah, that might work. They might get a little too hard. I was like this mixed with regular Swedish fish, too, so you get a little... You can get a little bit of both. Variety?

Jemmy, you don't want one of these. Oh, no. I think these are... Incredible confetti. Great. This is a redeem my dessert eating experience. Wow. Yeah.

So you had a decent time? I enjoyed myself, yeah. No, but I'd rather go to the Swedish fish mini glow-up shop than the Pinkberry shop. Wow. Me too. I would rather have these is, I would rather have, can I have some more? Yeah. Sorry.

What do you guys think of Swedish fish just in general? I just, I'm also a watermelon person. Yeah, I do like watermelon a lot. lot. I do too. I remember as when I had watermelon candy I was like

oh yeah this is working for me. Strawberry strawberry artificial flavor. I like strawberry artificial more

than like actual strawberries even though I do like strawberries. I like strawberries. But you guys all like the strawberry popping bobin that's artificial

that's a little artificial strawberry taste. Yeah, we know. But artificial watermelon is also this is very funny on the artificial watermelon taste

is right up there with artificial strawberry. Look, we glow and there's a little hole in the back to see that they glow and then under it Under black light.

It's like the two sides of the thing. That's fucking dumb. I think that supports my this is a trick theory. It's a trick. It is a trick. I wonder if you can't put something in there that would just glow in the dark because you can't eat that. There's no way that's edible. But there's something about black light stuff that makes it edible.

This is what we said to Amelia that this seems like, this is what I said to Amelia is. It seems like something we probably shouldn't eat. It's probably not good to be eating whatever the fuck is. It might just be the hue of the candy because, you know, black light. response to color as well as other chemicals. Yeah. Yeah. Like white clothes, pop.

Maybe it's just the fact that those are kind of translucent. Yeah. Yeah, you think you're right. I mean, it sounds like you're going snack. Yeah, a padden, snack or whack. Where do you land? Oh, snack. Snack.

Snack. Where it's snack all around. They're fucking tasty. Deis, what do we think of back there? Snack. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

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They write What? Big Boy Baby Guy They write I used to work as a manager for Peacock's YouTube channel. Whoa. Part of my task were to upload videos and create thumbnails. So for season one of Twisted Metal, I was tasked with uploading and creating the thumbnail for the first big teaser trailer with Sweet Tooth and John Doe fighting in the casino.

Wow. It was kind of a big rollout whenever new Peacock IP was being posted. Unfortunately, one of the thumbnail options I provided was chosen by execs as the leading thumbnail. It was a simple still of the two characters fighting, but nobody was. realized until it was too late that it also looked like sweet toothless pinning John toe up against a slot machine and fucking him up the ass. Comments were coming

in. This is the guy who posted it. Comments were coming in on the trailer and their hot new IP teaser was a big fat joke thanks to me. Execs were not happy and I got a bit of a talking to about being more aware of what's being posted but the thumbnail also went through a few rounds of approvals. So I was just curious of Mitch or any of the

other people who worked on the show were aware of the teaser trailer ass fucking mishap. Looking forward to more Stu and season two. And here's a picture of the thumbnail in question. I've got the pick here on my device. I mean, Grant, you certainly, I imagine you remember the initial reaction to this. Yeah, here's the picture. I, yeah, I do. I was, uh, yeah, that, that, uh, yeah, that was definitely, you blew it. Something I was aware of. I don't hold this person responsible for said, I mean, we all know how many

people's How many thumbs up you need to get? How many people need to sign off for anything to hit a corporate website? So, yeah, he's... It's also twisted metal and like, Sweet Tooth fucking the main guy is not that crazy. I don't know.

That's not that wild to me. Why not? You did fine. People over... That first clip people were tougher on, I feel like. But I do think Big Boy Baby Guy is correct that the thumbnail did dictate some of the reaction because people were like kind of like what wait what is this and that

still was being circulated in social media that was certainly a lot of people people you and i mentioned those the first they saw of twisted metal was that was that image and then that that that that little teaser yeah well yeah you blew it you fuck this over but when you watched that teaser you were fully in after you saw that scene right but yeah but i i do think i for sure but i think there were also people who just saw the thumbnail and then just went straight to comment or we're just reading the reactions to the thumbnail, and that was informed their opinion. The power of the thumbnail.

Yeah. I said this, I think on the, I think I said this on the MJ and Stephanie episode, or maybe I said it before the episode, but what I liked so much about the first season is that everyone was, it seemed like everyone was like, this is going to suck, and then people really liked it. So I liked winning a crowd over it was nice.

Sure. Season two is going to blow them away because we got googs, right to my left. Oh, you're being so. Got the googers. And we got Grant. We got you. We got the scripts. And it's this season rules.

But I don't, I think it's going to be, it's fine. Yeah. No. In fact, I like the way it played out because I liked that people were like, look at this. We're getting fucked in the ass. Right. Yeah. I just think it's kind of a fun that big boy baby guy ended up being a listener and they were the person.

Yeah. I think it's a lot of fun. You know, how about that? But is there, is there anything? I know you have to be cagey about what we can talk about. We have to be spoily light, even though we are in week three of release. as of this episode's release. That's right.

We're almost all the way there. Yeah, we'll have three more episodes are out today as of this new Doe Boys episode. No, no, two more. Two more, I apologize. Two today. Yeah. Two to that, got it. So, but like, is there anything,

Grant Patty, maybe anything pertaining to your character that, like, what you've really enjoyed about this upcoming season or anything people could be looking forward to? I mean. Do you get to wear, like, a cool, like, boot or something? I do wear a very cool booed. I would say my outfits are...

Your outfits are wild. Wild and killer. Like, I wanted everything. Wow. Like suits, things that I would never even imagine wearing that I'm like, oh, this is me now. I have to wear things like this. I haven't yet, but I'm going to do it. But I think like just the unraveling of all of our characters.

because we're under such high pressure, the intensity gets really hot and heavy, and it's just so fun. The tournament's a pressure cooker, wise. It's a pressure cooker. Yeah. And every character just gets to kind of, like, lose it in a really fun way. Yeah. Mitch, you should say your Edgar Allan Poe thing now, and then we'll take it out when you said it earlier. And why?

Because after the season, they're going to quote the Raven evermore because this new Raven has a lot of quotable. Fuck! I changed it, and I didn't know where to go with it. I'm an improviser. They're going to quote the Raven Evermore. They're going to forget about Edgar Allen Poe's Raven. There's only one top. There's only one top entertainment.

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Does Grant want to say anything about the season? Oh, yeah, Grant. Any other thing you want to add? Oh, um, yeah, so this is the third. Okay, so. So episodes, uh, six and seven come out. Six and seven, yeah. Yeah, so I think something, yeah, something I could say is if, uh, you're watching the show

and you're a fan of the games and the lore of the original show, or original games, rather, that, uh, keep watching. because a lot of people, I won't say the name, have been bringing up certain characters they would love to see and love to experience and there's someone coming that everyone's excited about. Yeah, and probably not expecting, but yeah, there's something big coming, yeah. Wow.

That's good. Love that. What a tease. That's a good tease. Our producers, Emma Erdbrink, our associate producers, Emilio, our supervising video producer, Casey Downey, our video editor, Mike Dorfman. kinshipgoids.com slash doughboys and get the Do Boys double our week of bonus episode over at patreon.com slash Doe Boys. Grant DeCurnean, Patty Guggenheim, Twisted Metal, Season 2. Out now on Peacock. People

should check it out. It's out. Check it out. Thank you so much. Congratulations. I have not seen anything as if this episode's recording, but I'm excited to watch along as it's released. Awesome. Everything you heard is so positive from everyone worked on it. I'm very excited. Congratulations. As are we? Thank you so much. Is there anything else you want to to plug or share about the show. It's on, again, I already said it, but it's on Peacock. If you don't already have a subscription, definitely check it out over there.

And if you do, make sure to be streaming it. Mm-hmm. Uh-oh. Is there another mystery? And tune in next week for one new fissory fuck, yes. Shark lock. Did I blow it? No.

I mean, I blew it as soon as I decided to put the hat back on. Goodbye, everyone. Thanks, Patty. Thanks, Grant. Twisted Month. continues next week. I don't move for this episode of Do Boys on Texas. Now next time, for the smooth man, Mike Mitchell.

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