Doughboys - Roscoe's House of Chicken and Waffles with Carl Tart

Episode Date: August 11, 2017

Comedian and improviser Carl Tart (Comedy Bang! Bang!, Party Over Here) sits down with the ‘boys to discuss a chain famous for its chicken and waffles: Roscoe’s. How will this Long Beach native restaurant fare? Plus, a new mystery drink in an edition of The Wiger Challenge.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On October 20th, 1971, Beverly Brotus and Calvin Cortazar Brotus Sr. of Long Beach, California welcomed their son Calvin Jr. into the world. Thinging her little boy-boy resemblance to a penis character, her mother gave him the nickname Snoopy. The sober case stuck, and Calvin, aka Snoopy, showed a talent for music at a young age, playing piano and singing at his local Baptist church. As a teenager, Calvin turned to the emerging genre of rap music, and after graduating from Long Beach's renowned polytechnic high school, he braved a few brushes with a law before

turning to focus on a hip-hop career under the nickname Snoop Doggy Dog. Later shortened to Snoop Dogg. Snoop, along with his cousin Nate Dogg and their friend Warren G, formed a crew called 213, named for the city's area code. 213's output caught the attention of former NWA member Dr. Dre, who featured Snoop on his first two albums and helped steer his solo career. Since then, Snoop Dogg has perhaps become Long Beach's most iconic celebrity, a unique public figure known for his music, acting, avid marijuana use, and single-handed contributions

to American slang. But the Long Beach of the 1970s also yielded an icon of the culinary sort. In 1975, a Harlem native named Herb Hudson opened a restaurant in the city offering a double bill of chicken and waffles, a bizarre-sounding combination of neo-fights, but a deal with a lot of American history behind it, as both a soul food dish and a separate version of Pennsylvania Dutch origin. The SoCal chicken and waffles joint became a sensation with locals, expanding to multiple locations across LA County, attracting celebrity clientele like Red Fox, Natalie Cole, Notorious

B.I.G., and Ludacris, and being referenced in films like Jackie Brown, Rush Hour, and Black Dynamite. But its most passionate, famous patron was Snoop himself, who introduced the fried chicken breakfast eatery to fellow celebs like David Beckham and Larry King, showing enthusiasm for the chain that matched his love for the psychoactive drug he calls the sticky icky. In May of 2016, the restaurant's parent company filed for bankruptcy protection, and Snoop Dogg volunteered his fortune to ensure its survival. One Long Beach legend offering to rescue another.

This week on Doughboys, Roscoe's house of chicken and waffles. Welcome to Doughboys, a podcast about chain restaurants for the production of Feral Audio I'm Nick Weigar, alongside my co-host, Unkar Putz, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Unkar Putz? Oh, like I'm dumb. Yeah. Like a Putz? Like a classic insult.

Fuck that. That one's courtesy of Atgotom Coach. Great, a great Twitter follow if you're an NBA fan. Lots of good NBA gifts and takes. Well, let me guess, Coach Paterno? It's not what Coach Joe Paterno is. You think that's Joe Paterno's Twitter account? He's a Gotom Coach?

Yeah, maybe. You know what? Gotom Coach is a good Lakers fan. He's a good dude. Oh, you're friends? We're Twitter friends. I got to crack open an ice-cold croik. Yeah, go for it.

It was cool subject matter that you delivered Super Nerdy, by the way. What, the intro? I mean, his friend Warren G. I mentioned on the podcast when we did a double last week with Jessica McKenna, and I mentioned that I met Warren G. once, and I was so oddly starstruck as someone from Long Beach. That's cool. That's cool. And you got to shout out to your high school in there, too.

Oh, yeah. You went to the same high school as Snoop. And Cameron Diaz. Wow. And Tony Gwynne, I believe? Yeah, Tony Gwynne. Well, they someday have an infamous section for you. What?

Are you suggesting I'm like the Dylan Klebald of Long Beach Poly High? Mitch, that's sick. I didn't say Dylan specifically. Okay. But maybe you'll join them someday. Maybe you'll be as well known as Snoop Dogg and Cameron Diaz. How to how? To Spoon Nation.

Chip tunes in there. Some chip tunes. Chip, chip, chip, chip, chip, chip tune. There are always, Pete, our audience grows with every episode. We have new lists. They're hearing a drop at the top of the show. They don't know what's going on in the news story, and listen to professional programs. Listen to like a professional show.

That's what people do. Do you know what remedy to stop the sting? Dad jizz. Fucking hell. What's the matter with you? I think that's an appropriate joke to make. Happy eating. Shh.

Hey, Gracie Films at the end there. I thought that was Gracie Films. Yeah, of course it was. I was like, wait, is that Gracie Films or is that another one? You're a huge, huge, huge Simpsons fan. I know, but I overthought it because I heard it and I was like, oh, that sounds like Gracie Films. But wait, am I thinking that that's Gracie Films because it sounds like another vanity

card? Did they not play the shh? Maybe that could throw you. Oh yeah, it didn't have the shh. It just went right into the little ditty. That's from Jason Bird. Very cool. I really enjoy it when you guys fight, but hope that you secretly love each other.

We do. Hope you dig my drop. Be well, P.P. Daniels. P.P. Daniels. Oh, whoops. Also, I'm pretending to be someone else because this drop embarrasses me, but I guess you can see who it is. Oops.

Oh, so he didn't want me to say that it was his name. Oh, whatever. Whatever. Fuck you. And thank you. Mitch, it's a late night. We're actually probably people at the East Coast are maybe expecting the podcast to be out right now because it's past midnight on the Thursday.

That's true. Of an East Coast time. And so we're recording this very late. We're very tired. We're very full. It's going to come. It's going to be hot off the presses. Hot off the presses.

And steaming hot. Yeah. Steaming hot like shit. Like the pile of shit this podcast is. No way. We got a good ass guest. We got a great guest. Let's introduce him in one second.

I first have a couple of plugs. We'll be at the Now Hear This podcast festival September 8th through 10th in New York City. For info and tickets, go to NowHearThisFest.com. And as we mentioned last time, we're also going to be doing some live shows in the Pacific Northwest in October and Texas in November, December. Dates and tickets at ferrelaudio.com slash Doughboyz. And we got big news to announce at each of those shows. We do.

Big Doughboyz news. Okay. All right. Big Doughboyz news at each of those six shows. Uh-oh. We'll come up with something. Let's introduce our guest. A writer, actor, comedian from Comedy Bang Bang, Mad TV and Bajillion Dollar Properties.

Carl Tard is here. Hi, Carl. Woo. I've been waiting for this. Carl, I said, how do you know when I looked at you and you looked shocked and I felt immediately bad? I didn't know that you did that. Like, I thought that was a drop.

You hear that, Weigur. It's so good. It's very good. Indistinguishable from Mr. Hankey himself. Mr. Hankey, one of the, one of the, that was one of the funniest, truly one of the funniest things I saw as a child. I still love, we're both big and, and Carl, I wonder if you're the same, Trey Parker and Matt Stone fans.

I love South Park to this day. Right. Wouldn't you, wouldn't you say that? I think those guys are very fun. They're extremely funny. Huh. Wait, are you? Oh my God, you not as big.

I think they're insane. I think they're extremely funny. I think everything they do is super funny. I have some issues with the, with their political leanings. Oh, yes. I feel like, I feel like they kind of like take this kind of like libertarian stance slash like both sides are bad. And I feel like it's like, well, I feel like we're kind of, it's not true that both sides

are like both sides are bad, but there's, it's a matter of degrees. But they just are making fun of both sides. They're just making fun of it, but I, but I mean, I feel like it's the kind of thing where they're just sort of like, I don't want to get hung up on this because those guys are super successful and super funny. And I do like, I do laugh a lot when I watch like South Park. I think it's very funny. You know what's great?

My mom didn't let me watch South Park as a kid. Uh, and so I was more of a Simpsons guy and then family guy guy. Yes. Oh, speaking of voices tonight, y'all out there in podcast land, Mike Mitchell did a dope Homer Simpson impression from season one and maybe a little Tracy O. Mitchell. Uh-huh. It was, uh, come here, boy, come here, boy.

It is on my like, uh, it's supposed to be like, what's his name? He like impart fatherly lessons. It was like the old school Homer where he wasn't dumb. He was just kind of like a dad who was trying his best. It was a much less interesting character. And he's up. And we also talked about this at dinner. Yes.

Carl, this, this was, well, okay, go ahead. I'm sorry, but his catchphrase was let's all go for some frosted chocolate milkshakes. Let's all go for some frosty. I can't do the same. I'm embarrassed already. It was great. At the restaurant, at the restaurant here, I dropped the ball at the restaurant. It was good.

Right. Carl, you, you brought up an interesting point because we were talking about best seasons of the Simpsons and Nick and I, Nick said the thing, which is you said three through seven. I feel like people always say three through eight, Nick. And then, and I, and I said that I opened that up to one through eight, right? They are my favorites. But Carl, you said something really interesting, which I liked is that when you were watching

New York, your kid and it was, it was like 10 through 16. Was that what you said? Yeah. Okay. So just I'm the same age as the Simpsons. I'm 28 years old. They're on season 28. So my big Simpsons years, once my mom kind of stopped regulating my television.

But, you know, as the best as she could, because the Simpsons out here, which I didn't know you were, I didn't realize that you went to Polly. You forgot to shine Jackson on that list. Oh, wow. Were you there when he was there? No, I think I'm older than Deshaun Jackson. Okay. But that's crazy.

Right. Yeah. Deshaun Jackson went to Polly. He might have, you guys may have overlapped it. You may have like just left when he got there. It's possible that the NFL player I remember from our class was Kenyon Rambo who played for the, the Dallas Cowboys for professionally for a little bit. How are all these talented people going to your school?

It's like a, it's like a famous school in LA. That's crazy. Yeah. And Weiger went there. Cameron Diaz was the first time I've ever heard it pronounced that way. I've got people call me out for overemphasizing the Diaz. Yes. You do overemphasize the Diaz.

How do you say it? How do you say it? Cameron Diaz. Diaz? Yeah. It's not Oz. I mean, maybe it is. Maybe.

But the only way we can figure it out is having her on the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. Oh man. She walked into it. Hi boy. Oh God. Is that your Cameron Diaz impression? Hi boys.

Her signature line. Hi boys. I loved the mask. Oh yeah. She loves movies. She's in. Right. That's her thing.

She does. Yeah. No, I was. So I'm the same age as Simpsons. I watched a lot as a kid on Fox 11. I'm sure you remember this, Nick. Oh, come on. At six and six thirty.

Right. Or six thirty and then seven thirty. And then they screwed around with a schedule at one point. They switched to six and seven thirty. Yeah. So they could cram two other episodes in there. You'd be forced to sit through. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow, Nick. This seems like it was a crazy time for you. I remember me and John Saville were pissed off. I was pissed off too. Yeah. I was pissed off too because something else good came on at seven thirty.

Right. I think it was like Jeopardy or Will of Fortune. I liked Will of Fortune as a kid. Right. And so when they like put like that episode of Simpsons at seven thirty, I had to choose between the wheel and the wheel and the simp. And it was that was annoying. I remember you remember you were like LA locals.

But on Sunday nights, as usual, it was always the new episodes. And I really liked season 10 to season 16. I also am a big fan of the HD era, which a lot of Simpsons purists are not. Right. I remember when they switched over. I like it. I like it. Hey, the Simpsons are a good thing.

It's comforting to know that Homer and Bart and the gang are around still and they're still in there and they're still there. Right. That's how I feel about it. I like all the guys who work there. I love the Simpsons. Bart should be how old? Thirty six.

Yeah. He's he's he's I think Bart is me is older than me by a couple of years. Was he ten in the original series? I think he's ten. Yeah. He might have been eight. It started in when it starts. 89.

89. And then so would Bart be born in 79 or Lisa's eight and he's ten. Right. Okay. Lisa's thirty six. He's thirty eight. She's the same age as me. Wow.

Damn. That's crazy to think about. Twenty eight years. I mean, guess they did that in future episodes like we saw what these but it's still weird to think about. Yeah. They age in real time. That they would have aged.

No. I just like to think about the like, OK, there's an alternate reality where they they age the Simpsons characters like you would. And Bart is almost forty right now. Right. It would be weird. It's a different. Yeah.

And you have to think about like if you would smash Maggie. Oh boy. No. No, I think that Maggie might be. I would maybe maybe I'd be asking for Maggie's hand right now. And Mitch would be like, she used to be hot. What the fuck? That's my joke about you.

I know. I fucking jiu-jitsu did. And also Lisa, Lisa was she would be thirty six. Right. Thirty six. She probably she probably already would have married a millhouse. Oh yeah. We know we know that arc.

They were. I mean, they were destined. I didn't like that in one future episode, like, oh, in the future episode, they're like, what about millhouse? I'm like, oh, Lisa, like, fuck millhouse. I know. Right. That's like canonical at one that they that they like they lost their virginity to each

other. No, no, it's not because the future can change according to that. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Like none of that stuff ends up happening. Right. You know, I think Mitch, I think you and I should have like, we should marry Sherry and Terry in this reality.

So far, we're married. Sherry and Terry. We've each got a different, different purple-haired twin. And sometimes we swap. Yeah. Ellen came out on TV before Selma. Yes. I think that actually that did predate.

I think that was the first time that happened. That was that was big. I was I was I feel like still young when Ellen came out because if she was on the cover of Newsweek and she was like, yep, I'm gay. That was when Seinfeld was still on the air. So yeah, that was probably like 96 97 something like that. Okay. I wasn't too young.

But I was young enough. Yeah, that was that was that was a that was a big that was a big, big moment in TV, which is not even that long ago, which is a long ago. Yeah. I'm not compared it to like SNL. Right. You know how people always are talking about the best years were at this time. Yeah.

This was the best time for SNL. It just happened to line up with when you were growing up. Yeah. When you were growing up, when you were watched, like I personally think that the best years of SNL were 2003 to 2008, which were those years that I wasn't allowed to leave. I was allowed to leave my house on Saturday nights to go to parties in high school. Right. And I was watching SNL.

Right. You got some you got you got some good people at that point. You got Will Forte. Right. You got a. Those are the Chris. Chris Parnell. Chris Parnell was still on it.

Like the Kristen Wiig. Chris and Wig was there. Amy Poehler was there. Dominating. Oh, and Will was Ferrell was still there. Well, Ferrell was still there for a bit. Yeah. Yeah.

There were some there were some great people there at that time. Nick. What? What are you asking me? My favorite SNL cat in season. I mean, you just seemed so zoned out. No, I was trying. I was like trying to think of like who was on the SNL cast in that year.

And I was like, wait, what? Like, what am I? I was like, I couldn't think of anyone. And then I was like, where am I? What are we coming in a recover from? Those were like the years of the digital short. Right. Okay.

That's what that was. Sandberg and those guys. Oh, yeah. Halfway through there. But I really I got in my head about like, oh, wait, I was like, who was on that cast and then I couldn't think of anyone. And then I was starting to panic. And I was like, how am I going to contribute to this conversation?

I could see the panic in your eyes. I was like, what do I do in this? You can just say that it's a podcast. You don't have to keep everything. That's what I'm saying now. That's why I'm like, that's why I'm like, I'll just be forthright. That that was what was going on in my head, which is why I was like, look confused and disoriented.

So instead, like the rest of the night, Carl and I would be like, why is Nick looks so nervous? That's because you were trying to think of an SNL year. Right. It's staying coming out of Nick's ears. The old robot. I know for a robot, you forget a lot of shit. My brain has gotten worse.

Have you noticed that it was as all as you guys notice that as you've gotten older, like I can't recall facts as clearly as I yes, and I didn't know too many to begin with. So it's not a great thing. I think it's something we're doing to ourselves. It has to be because I used to pride myself on remembering people's names and faces. Right. If not names, it definitely faces. And I have done that, that Hollywood thing of double introducing myself to people.

Yes. And they give me like the, we've met. Right. And it's like, okay man. I'm sorry. Like, but I, and this sounds, it's a dickish thing to say, but yeah, I meet a lot of people. Like, you know, like, of course. Right.

It was weird that you said that to be in Mitch earlier. Like, hey guys, I'm waiting for my friends here. Right. In case you, you can move on. I don't know why you're talking to me. Though we've met. I'm always like, shut up. Yeah.

Like, whenever that happens to me, I immediately turn on the person where I don't feel bad anymore because I'm like, we don't know each other that well. Yeah. Cause if I knew each other that well, I would, I would at least pretend. Well, also I now just always say, Hey, what's up man? Or I just, if I, if it's that, that's a guy and a girl or anyone, I just say, Hey, how are you? That's what I, that's my little trick.

Right. I pretend. You admit the man in that case. Yes. Yes. I mean, I don't always say man. I just, I was just saying that safely admit the man in general, just sort of make a gender neutral.

Nick, for God's sake, I think the kind thing to say in that, in those situations is cause the person is still reintroducing themselves to you. Right. It's not like they don't want to talk to you. And I will make an example of myself and Mike Mitchell's first official meeting. Oh, cool. Oh man. So I had known who he was.

Right. Of course. Oh man. Big mainstay around Los Angeles comedy streets. Oh yeah. Oh God. How do I embarrass myself? He said, hello.

I said, I said, Hey man. My name's Carl. I'm a UCB guy too. Right. I know you. And he goes, Oh, hey man, you're on white women, right? And he could have just been making a general statement because I am an African-American. Sure.

But I think he, I think he knew that it was me and I was like, we've never officially met. I think that's the sentence ago. Like don't say the, we've met because we had met, but I don't think it was ever, it was like in the green room and it'd be like, Hey, what's up, dude? Yes. So like, I'm not going to go, we've met. I'm going to say, we haven't officially like, we ain't kicked it yet.

Right. Today we're going to be on set on this great episode of comedy bang gone too soon, gone but never forgotten. Right. And we're going to have a good time. Did I just, later you saw me talking to another black man going, you're on a white woman. Yeah. And that black man was Spike Lee.

Right. His episode of comedy bang bang is one of the best. Yeah. The one he directed. The one he directed. Right. It was like super hot. Everyone was sweating.

Are you bringing up the one Spike Lee movie that you could think of? Wait a minute. Everybody sweats in every Spike Lee movie. That is true. Crooklyn. I was just watching some of Crooklyn earlier today. Have you ever seen Crooklyn? I've never seen Crooklyn and it was, it was like as Spike Lee Lee as I like, it was very

Spike Lee right out the gate. So I didn't get to finish it. But what is it now? I can't remember the name of the, of the movie you're, that you, that you know, do the right thing. Do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what? I know what I love about that movie. It reminds me of East Coast Summers. Yeah. Well, I don't know the East Coast Summers thing, but I do think it like it, it evokes summer. I feel like summer in the neighborhood very specifically. Not the things that happen in the movie.

Punishingly hot. The summer is when you're out playing as a kid. Yeah. I don't know if it's a fancy or any jokes that you were going to make or whatever you were going to do, but it just reminds me of like a, like summertime on the East Coast to be super hot and humid, which I missed a couple of weeks ago for when you're there for Del Close. Yeah.

And it was filthy. It was disgusting. Yeah. It was a mess. Right. And it was so hot and so like, and I was born in Mississippi. I'm not a stranger to humidity, but it was so gross being humid in New York, walking across man, like what do they call man greats the subway greats, the subway greats.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man greats. I kind of like that. I like the idea of man. They're man greats. They're man greats from now on.

I could have made that up, but it was just so gross. Right. Sorry to anybody in New York. It does like that city does smell. Also, Carl, if you were like, you know, the things that those big things on the ground man greats. I'm like, yeah. I would never.

That's the fact that you questioned yourself that made me even question at all. You knew, you knew, see, but here's the thing, Carl, you, Weiger is always so pro-California. You're, you're, you're a pro-California guy too. I'm a pro-California guy. I'd rather, I say this all the time and I'm sure Weiger can agree that he likes, that he, I'm sure he can agree to this. I'd rather sit in traffic on the four or five at five PM in my car than be on a crowded ass subway.

Wow. In the middle of summertime at three o'clock and rats are driving the train and no wheels and just rats. Carl, today I was on the four or five at five PM and rush hour traffic driving over here to record an early episode at Mitch's place. And did you love it? And I agree with you in that specific scenario where rats are driving the train. Yeah.

This is, it was far superior than that. All right. You guys are insane. Yeah. Actually, I want to be on this rat train. The rat train seems, it seems like, it seems like ratatouille. That sucks. That movie was sucked.

Oh, wait a minute. Everybody's eating food cooked by a rat. It was charming. That's nasty. I don't know if the food, if a food, if I, if someone was like, here is a plate of food just to let you know, it was cooked by a rat, like the rat had like these mechanisms that like let him like drop out vegetables and, and, and, and he actually, he was controlling a man like a puppet.

I mean, I was just trying to make it more realistic. So he never touched it. Yeah. Okay. That's what that element made took it far out of the realms of reality. Did he ever touch the food? He never touched the food. He never touched it.

Yeah. There's no waste that ever goes. He's got poop somewhere though. He does get a poop somewhere, but he's not pooping in the food. I assume he's shitting in that guy's hat. He might shit in that. But hold on. Yeah.

That's part of the deal. That's not a part of the deal. It's like you shit in my hat and I'll pretend I'm a chef. Are you saying that the guy was enjoying the shit in his hat? No, the guy. No, I'm saying that. I'm saying the rat will be that is the part of the deal. Are you, are you, are you, are you, are you sure?

Yeah. Are you sure about this? I'm not sure about it. But wait, hold on. I'll look it up on IMDB. Okay. Let's see. IMDB.

I'm going to take a look. I'm going to take a look here. All right. Ratatouille. I'm going to type. I'm typing in all my keystrokes. There we go. Starring Brad Garrett.

Lou Romano. Wait. Lou Romano. Oh, he must have been the guy who... Patton isn't it? But yeah. Patton, Patton Oswald of the voice of Remy. Obviously.

Lou Romano is Linguini, the voice. Okay. That's what that is. He does a great job. All right. So hold on. I'm going to bring up the IMDB goof section, my favorite section of IMDB. This is so...

This is taking you so long. All right. Here we go. Okay. At around 18 minutes, when we first see the kitchen, the frying pan handles are sticking out. One of the first things a cook learns is to keep handle... handles at an angle in a way so that the pans will not accidentally hit and cause injury.

That doesn't sound as much like a goof. That sounds more like an object... like someone's subjective. That's the most boring goof I've ever heard. Right. Okay. Here we go. Another one. Continuity.

At around 45 minutes, moments after Colette berates Alfredo for his messy sleeves, his sleeves are clean. This seems like a legitimate continuity issue. I mean, maybe less of a thing in answer. Is there anything about rat shit? Okay. Here we go. At around 51 minutes, when the chef celebrate the success of the sweet bread prepared by

Linguini, we cut to an extreme close of Remy's asshole shitting into his hat. Into Linguini's hat? Yeah. But then one minute later, his hat is clean. So yeah. It's in the continuity section of the goof spot. I do remember at one point, yeah, being in a theater and all the children applauding when you see Remy's asshole widened for his most dropping to follow.

Real weird use of an ECU, but hey, you know, Bradford, Bradburn can do that. An ECU? Extreme close up. Oh, learn the lingo, baby. Damn. I've been in Hollywood for a while and I should know, I should know stuff like this. I liked, I liked, I liked, I liked, uh, I liked Ratatouille. It was a fun time.

And you know what? If, if there was a meal prepared by a rat and it tastes good, I would eat it. I would eat it regularly. That's, that's just New York people being New York people. Right. I'm not, I don't even, I, I, I want to upstate New York. I didn't even live in New York, but I, but you know what? I am on your side.

I'd rather sit in traffic than be on the subway subway. Subway's not good. Especially right now. Like they get shut down. They're stopping. MTA is overwhelmed. I'm, I'm a big like, I like public transit. I like like writing the train in LA.

I was going to say you love the train. No, I like the choo-choo, but here's what I was going to say. I like her. You had to say you love the choo-choo like a little boy. I like, I like to hop on the choo-choo, but here's the thing. I will say that like the, the, is this like a polytech thing? Does like Snoop Dogg say like choo-choo, does Cameron Diaz say I want to ride the choo-choo? You think that's the etymology of it?

You think of the origin? I'm trying to figure out why you say choo-choo like a little child. No, it's a thing. It's a, it's a little wigerism, a little wigerism. It's my own thing. Look, here's what I was going to say. I, I do like public transit in theory, but it seems like New York's transit is overwhelmed and it feels like, since that's the only way to get around, it seems like this whole

ordeal there. I agree. But wait, I wanted to return. We were talking about introductions earlier and I wanted to return to this because I wanted to run this by you, Carl, because this is my move. If I've met someone before and they introduce themselves to me, I do this. I say, oh, I think we might have met before, but like in kind of like a question way where it's not like, it's not agro, but I'm like, like, I think we might have met before, which

I think is okay. You seem like a very bad Riddler. Like, I think we may have met before and like leaving it on them to them to, that's actually an asshole move. You think that's an asshole move? Because now these people are like, I don't know, maybe. But I do it with like a little uncertainty, like I'm not sure myself, even if I know. I would want to be in a second.

You know what I'd say back? What? Maybe we did. Right. But that's fine. But that interaction is fine. That's a smooth back and forth. Like there's no tension there.

I think we've sort of like smoothed it over in a way where, okay, there's a little bit of recognition here and we're just going to acknowledge it, but we're not going to directly say for the record that like, I for sure know that you met me. Carl, how was it? What was your first meeting with Nick like? Was he on? My first meeting with Nick. Was he in the UCB prop turned off?

No, no, no, it was that party over here. I think, uh, I think we might have met before. Oh boy. I don't know. Honestly, I think it was that party over here and you addressed me as if you had known me for years. That's another thing I will do. I just like go jump right into like I know somebody.

Hi, Carl. Remember when we were boys? The grades? Jumping the tracks and skipping stones. Goo Goo Gaga, we would say. Carl, we got to hear from you as a SoCal resident for a long time. Tell us what your food history is. Tell us who you were eating at some of the same spots.

Nick was eating that. What your favorite foods were? Let's, let's hear it. Well, my favorite LA foods, uh, okay. So in, in south central Los Angeles, there's a series of just like ghetto burger spots. But that'll like they sell burgers and Mexican food because they're ran by Mexican people. And uh, some of them are called Tom's and Tams and they're like Tams number five and stuff like that.

A lot of variations of Tommy's. It feels like original Tommy's was like the kind of the virginity. And then they, there are a bunch of derivatives that are all called different versions. Very similar to the New York, like pizza, like, uh, there's like all the famous rays and then there's like one and two and then, then Roy's or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Some close to like Vons and Johns.

Oh yeah. Like that. Uh, so yeah, those spots have always been good in LA. So burgers. Yeah. Burgers are big. I get like the, like a bacon cheeseburger with these really good fries. They all have really good fries and just like a soda that's always in like a white cup.

Yeah. Like the white styrofoam cup. Yeah. Which is still kind of like of anywhere on earth, I think it still is in LA the most. Yeah. Those white styrofoam cups, maybe not in LA the most, but you still see them. Right. Like cups that I feel like should maybe be gone.

I think they've recycled them now is the thing, but, uh, I was, I was with you. I was a big burger fan. I wonder if either of you had the same thing when I was young, always got a hamburger as a boy. Didn't get a cheese burger. I did have a hamburger fray or hamburger phase rather where I wasn't having any cheese on them. From McDonald's.

I would get McDonald's hamburgers. I would do hamburgers. I like Burger King hamburgers more than I like McDonald's hamburgers McDonald's. You got to throw the cheese on there. It's just something about the flavors of that ketchup and cheese. Yeah. You're just talking beef to beef. But yeah, beef to beef, but at Burger King, they put, they, they, they like lean harder

on the mustard. Yeah. You ever noticed that? Yeah. I 100% agree with this. McDonald's, McDonald's lean is hard on the ketchup. It's hard on the mustard. I agree.

That mustard kind of substitutes for the cheese. So their hamburgers are, are better to me and the flame broil. I love this breakdown. Carl, are you, are you a Burger King fan? I'm a more of a McDonald's guy. Yeah. But do you like Burger King? Yeah.

I go to Burger King. I went to Burger King the other day. I saw Dupass. I'm a heroin. Oh, Jesus. A heroin over. Or maybe too much heroin. I don't know.

It wasn't an overdose. Yeah. It was just, I guess it was just really good. Damn God. It wasn't, it wasn't an overdose because I saw the same couple last night when I was driving home. Me and Lamar. Oh, they're fine.

Yeah. They're fine. My buddy Lamar Woods and I, we stopped at the Burger King on Sunday and as we were pulling up to the driveway, people were kind of like scrambling back and they had like the door open to the kitchen and then you just look out that door and you just see legs. Oh, Jesus. Oh crap. Like what happened to that guy?

And the girl who was like taking my order was like, oh, he was doing drugs in the bathroom. Oh man. So nonchalant about it, which is probably a sad state because I'm not surprised at all that you saw this at a burger. Where was this burger? Alvarado and Beverly. Okay. Yeah.

He was getting busy in a Burger King bathroom, but in a very different way. I mean, his girl was there too and she was holding the door open. We pulled around and she was like holding the door open for him being like, let's go. Let's go. And it's clear that he couldn't go anywhere. Right. But then, and she's like scratching. So I'm sure she's doing the drug too.

And then last night I'm driving home after I drop off Lamar, I'm driving home. It's like midnight. And I see this. It was a very distinctive couple because the girl had green hair. Right. And I see them walking down Alvarado and I'm like, okay, well, he's okay. He's okay. That's a plus sign.

Was the girl still scratching? She wasn't scratching. They were just walking fast. You know what? Maybe she had adult. A box. What's it called? Yeah, shingles.

She had shingles. It's going around right now. Wow. Well, this is a very awkward time to mention this, but today we are brought by Burger King's new chicken Parmesan sandwich. Shaved Parmesan, melted mozzarella, and rich marinara made with 100% white meat seasoned chicken filet. Check it out.

Is this true? No, it's not true. You bought that? What the fuck? You know, I hear that the chicken is still crispy and the sauce doesn't un-crispy the cheese, and that's the important thing, that's that commercial. I actually like that. I like the chicken parm from Burger King.

I'm a Burger King apologist. The last time we went, I was... The last time we went, I had a bad experience. It was bad. Right. They got to straighten some things up over there, but Carl, let's hear more about your food experience. What else were you eating?

Okay, so I was eating at the burger spots. Because I'm from Mississippi, barbecue is very sacred to me, because Mississippi is right in between like Memphis and New Orleans, and so I'm on from the Gulf Coast, so we big on seafood, we're also really big on barbecue. Barbecue's never been good to me in the city. Yeah. Wow. Never, and not even...

They've got some big spots, too. There's blood sores, that the one in Compton is the original one is more hole in the wall than the one up on La Brea. Do you like... Have you been to either of those? I've been to the one in Compton. Okay. But I've been to the one on La Brea.

The one on La Brea is good. It's good. I mean, I don't eat it, but... It definitely doesn't have like the charm of an old school barbecue joint. They've tried to take it in a more gastropub direction the way that presentation of that place is. What style is barbecue in your neck of the woods, Carl? What is it like?

We do heavy sauce. Okay. So it's like Memphis style, like drenched in sauce, sweet sauce, sweet spicy sauce. At least that's how my dad and my family members cook seafood, I mean, cook barbecue. But our big, like seafood is big. So when we have a family gathering, it's usually barbecue and seafood and then fixings. Do you know what I have at the first time when I was in New Orleans and I loved it? Weiger, you were down here for this trip.

We went to... We spent an evening together. We were there for a wedding, Stephanie Allen's wedding and with Tateg and we were down there and I had a roasted, they made this, like the flame broiled or roasted, about to help me out here. Oh, you're trying to always say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Grilled oysters. Grilled oysters, yeah.

That's what it is. I like them. I fucking loved them. I thought those were great. That was actually the first time I had those on like a char grill and they were delicious. Forever. I've been eating those damn things raw. Sucking them out of the shell.

Sucking them out of the shell. Sucking them out of the shells. So when I was a kid, I was always like, this is, like, looks like something from Alien and you're sucking it down your throat and I never liked it. Then as I got older, I got to like them more, but then I had those fucking grilled oysters and they're so good and I was so mad that I missed out on that for most of my life. Right. As a kid, I probably would have loved the taste of that too, I feel like.

Oysters are disgusting. Whoa. Wow. Too slimy. They are slimy. Not even grilled? And even when you fry them. The other day.

Yeah. Oh, that's another place where I eat in LA. They got like a lot of fried fish spots. Right. They're always very good. What is it? What's the big fish? What's the big, the fish fry place that's right over here too?

What's it called? There's a side. H salt. Oh yeah. But that's a, that's, that's more like a chain. Yeah. That's salt's fish and chips. Okay.

That's like fish and chips. It's big, bad or stuff like that. I'm talking like. Another, like what I call them like hood fish spots, which is like, there's this place called Mel's fish on Jefferson. Okay. It's a really good spot. And there's a, there's used to be this spot when I first moved out here, I lived over

in the Baldwin Hills Crenshaw area and there was a spot called VIP fish. VIP fish. You buy, we fry. That's all the, that's all their like, uh, slogan. So you go in there and you tell them what you want. It's in like a glass case. You go, I want three pieces of whiting and three pieces of red snapper and shrimp and fries and they just fry it and it's like 10 bucks and get a ton of food.

My mom used to go and that's, we'd like half for dinner. Because of coming from the Northeast, the fish and chips and, and, and just seafood. There was a ton of that too. Yeah. I, and, and, but I'm, I, and I'm, you know, I'm with you as far as oysters go, but was it something that you, when you tried it, when you were young or just forever? When I tried it when I was young, right? It kind of, and I've since eaten like fresh out of the shell oysters with the horseradish

and cocktail sauce and stuff like that. And it's still not my, it's just not my jam. It is, it is just the thing it's, it's, it's a, Nick, I think you, you, you've, you've described it as like a, it's just basically like an, what do you, what do you say? It's just an, like a way to get the, a condiment. It's like, but basically, Oh, like a condiment delivery system. That's, yes.

You're, you've, you've said this multiple times. Con condiment delivery system, which I agree with. Cause oysters, you're not chewing those. You just, you just suck them down. You suck them down. Yeah. And like, It's ridiculous.

Right. And I, I like just taste, I use Minionette sauce every time I do, which is basically like, Minionette sauce? Is that, is that wrong? No, I just said, like, so this is like made for like, like ground up stew or it's not, God damn it. That's why you perk up some of this podcast. When I said Minionette,

some of Gru's castaways have been tossed into a blender saying, the sauce is not, it's not yellow. Right. It's fucking purplish. Okay. It's a, it's basically like vinegary and, and onions. And, and so I like the taste of that. And that's why I like oysters, but right.

I'll tell you what I do like to taste of when it comes to surfing down oysters. If they're really fresh, you get a little bit of seawater in there. Seawater. And that makes you think of the beach. Wow. Okay. That which, which basically I feel like oysters do kind of do taste just like naturally like seawater.

It is just like an ocean taste. Why not cut out the middle man and just fill up a fucking big gulp with seawater? Cause you'll die. Yeah, that's true. You'll dehydrate yourself. Yeah. Well, how come they don't sell seawater in bottles? They should sell more gallons of seawater.

There's not enough demand for it. Right. Carly, anything else? Were you a big In-N-Out burger fan? Yeah. Oh yeah. I forgot about In-N-Out. I did not jump on the In-N-Out train for a long time.

I was a, I was not a In-N-Out fan until until like high school, right? Late high school. Cause when we first moved out here, I was fighting everything. I was being that asshole. That's not from California. Sure. That was fighting everything California represented. And so everyone goes through that.

Ever. I feel like everyone who comes out here goes through that. Don't look at me when you say this. I'll eventually accept that this is your home. I like a lot of it. I mean, this will never be my home with you. This, this apartment is our home where you and me and you song live. We're going to build a family together.

With our children, Wally and Irma. Yes. Yeah. Um, I for you song. In-N-Out. Yeah. I never, I still don't get the, I still don't get the, uh, double doubles really.

Oh, okay. It's just too much. Right. Got a question for you. In-N-Out or fat burger? In-N-Out. Okay. And I'll tell you why.

Fat burger is super expensive. It is pricey. Yeah. It does get pricey. It's like it's like a shake shack. In-N-Out is cheap. It's a good value. Yeah.

I know. I know. You can feed your family for not too much money. The turkey burger at a fat burger is dope. Yeah. They do have like, if you're trying to eat to conform to some sort of diet, you have a little bit more flexibility at fat burger. But I also feel like everything's like,

just maybe a little bit of a better quality there. Like they just have better quality produce and everything. But, but, uh, yeah, it's definitely quite a bit price here. Also another place heavy on the mustard and not bad. Yeah. That's true. They do lean on the mustard there. You know, one thing I'm realizing as we're talking through this is,

because California has such this reputation as like, this is, oh, this is the place where people are health conscious. And like, like everything's got like avocado and sprouts. But like, there's a lot of heavy ass food out here. Heavy. Just like heavy, like a lot of our signature food is just like Mexican food and burgers and just stuff that's just like, and stuff that's like deep fried.

You know, it's really like, you can become a fat, fat man out here just eating local food. I didn't even mention that. What's that? Mexican food. Oh yeah. So I grew up on the West side and there's this chain of Mexican food places called compost on the West side.

Oh yeah. Yeah, compost. Yeah. And we would go there like so much after school. Right. Because it was one like a couple of doors down from our high school. And, and, uh, we would go there so much and I just get like nachos or burritos and stuff. That was always a big thing.

In the morning, before school, a food truck would park outside of our school and we'd get That's crazy. Big ass bags of french fries at 7 30 in the morning. I could not leave my school. My school, you California boys have a nice with fucking school. My school was like campus. It was, yeah. This was before school.

Oh, before. This is before the bell room. Yeah. We can huge bags of fries. We had no open campus. Oh, you could not walk outside again. Oh, we weren't leaving our school either. We were locked in.

You were locked in? Yeah. No, we weren't leaving. I mean, like until you were turned 18 and get like a lunch pass. Yeah. You were, you were on that campus. Even, even, even if you were 18, you couldn't, you couldn't have a lunch. But you couldn't go, you couldn't walk.

You guys didn't get a walk away lunch. We didn't have a walk. Walk away. You were there for lunch. There was three. The first lunch also was at 10 30 a.m. That's, that's too early, which is fucked up. Yeah.

Cause you that's like lunch is only what 30 minutes. Right. That's the brunching hour. So hungry. Yeah. You gotta be so hungry for the rest of the day. Right. It was, it was so early.

And then also, uh, at least, yeah, no, I'm pretty sure it was 10 30. Anyways, uh, we started at 7 45 in the morning. Too early. Yeah. Too early. We had, we had a class cause I had a zero period where we had my, my, uh, symphonic wins or like symphonic band, which I played bassoon in double read. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Double read for sure. We, uh, we so, but like that class started, I think at like 655. And I think back of like nowadays, if like, if you get a job and it says like, Hey, you get a 7 a.m. call time. I'm like, fuck, that's so early. And I just like, they used to be my every day in terms of going to school. I know lots of people work jobs.

I have to get up, get up early. Um, but like it, like for someone who's like 15, especially cause kids, I think naturally want to sleep in later. Like that's just what your natural. I think high school is definitely start later. Just start later. And so I, so you were playing, we were playing bassoon at like six in the morning. I was get, I was there at like 6 45.

So can my double read in a little, uh, film container filled with water to get it good and lubricated so I could put it into my bassoon. The film container read. Oh yeah. I played the saxophone on high school. Oh, did you really? Okay. Yeah.

Wait, what variant? The berry. Oh hell yeah. Yeah. The berry is a man's sax. Oh yeah. I played saxophone and my elementary school teacher told me to quit. Mr. Golanelli.

And I did. You fucking asshole. You showed him. I remember. Where's he now? Uh, I don't know. He's probably dead. Have I had a guest boy?

Oh boy. Uh, whatever. Ron Hill. You shouldn't have told me to quit. No, I hope he's in heaven. Anyways, uh, I remember going upstairs and I would play speaking of Simpsons. Yeah. I would like play like I was like grandma grandpa.

I think I maybe have said this on this podcast before, but I was like, listen to this and I would like, I would like play the Simpsons. Right. And like, I just like think of that now. And I just, I'm like, man, this is like the last few years of them like being alive. Right. Like they were like wasting moments on like seeing their shitty grandson and be like, it's like the Simpsons.

I'm playing like a horrible song. Survive the depression. World War II. I probably loved that shit. Yeah. I think I like, they were probably nervous about what I was going to grow up to be. Right. And this is like, like time is precious at this, this stage in their lives.

They were right to be concerned because this is what you've grown up to be. And they died on a week night. They died. We're talking about fast food. That's true living room. They died not much later after that song even like immediately after they all died within 30 minutes of me playing that song. I'll play for you next.

We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back with more Doe Boys. Welcome back. We're here with Carl Tartt. Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. So Carl, you talked about a lot of foods that you liked growing up. Yeah. Were you a fan of chicken wings, chicken?

Chicken wings are probably my favorite food. Oh, wow. Okay. Right. Because you suggested a couple of places that we could go to. And the other one was Big Wings, which is one local wing joint, which is like a micro-local LA chain. But Roscoe's, I feel like, is a little bit more known nationwide.

But so why Roscoe's? Why was that the place you wanted to talk about? Roscoe's, have you guys talked about it on this show before? No, not at all. So that's what I wanted to talk about something that y'all hadn't talked about. And also, I hold Roscoe's near and dear to me. Right. Chicken wings are my favorite food.

Yeah. Roscoe's first place, I mixed chicken wings with a waffle, which is dope. They have a great waffle recipe. Yeah. Great syrup. Their own mix. Their own mix. Right.

They don't tell you about all that. I think I might know what it is. It might, I think it's just cinnamon and sugar in the mix. I do it because I made this at home on the waffle line. I'm like trying to, like in the lab, like trying to figure out how to make my waffle like Roscoe's. I like to think that you've cracked the code. It was just that simple. They're like, our own mix.

Cinnamon and sugar. The secret dies with me. It's something else. It's something else because the cinnamon and sugar was close, but it wasn't a cigar. Right. It does such a, the waffles there do such a good job between being like thin, like almost like eggowy, like frozen waffles, but also at the same time fluffy, homemade, delicious, like it rocks that line.

So well. Yeah. It's so well. The butter. Yeah. The butters. The syrup. Everything.

So I, uh... You're a big, so you're a big chicken wing fan. Big chicken wing. I love, once I started eating buffalo wings, they became like my favorite. Buffalo wings, but I didn't have as much fried chicken growing up. I don't think there was as many good spots. And like KFC was kind of my only, was kind of my only fried chicken. Like, and there were maybe, maybe a couple other spots, but mostly like KFC.

KFC was bomb when we were younger though. Yeah, no, it was a lot better. They've changed, they've made it mass mass production now. And yeah, mass production back then too. Like, you remember like, we do chicken, right? Oh yeah, sure. Like back then KFC was dope. Churches was dope.

Churches was like, if my grandma didn't want to cook on Sundays after we got out of church, like she just got a huge bucket of churches chicken. From church to churches. Yeah. It was always super greasy. From church to churches. Popeyes is great. Right.

Oh, we like, I love Popeyes. We didn't have churches or Popeyes. We had, we just, we all, we really just had KFC. But we've had like in the podcast, we've done, even this year when we were doing our chicken battle, we were doing churches and Popeyes. And those both made it very far in the competition. They're both very, very good. Both very, very good.

Yeah. Yeah. So I moved here, I came to visit my mom in the beginning of summer, like I'll say around May 1997. And this was a crazy time because. Right. I was under the impression that I was just coming to visit my mom. My mom had moved out here.

I lived with my grandma in Mississippi. My mom had me pretty young. So like my grandma wanted her to continue, like go to college and. Right. Start your career as an actor, like moved to LA, do that stuff. Yeah. So she moved out here. I was with my grandma and I remember my grandma packing like suitcases for me.

And I'm like, grandma, what's going on? Where are we going? Like, are we going to visit like my cousins in Atlanta? Or are we going up north of North Mississippi? Where are my cousins? Is it like, are we going to family reunion or something like that? And she's like, no, you're going to California to visit your mom. And I'm like, oh, I was super excited.

Right. Super excited. And she's packing my suitcases and she's getting kind of emotional. But I think it's just like, oh, grandma just doesn't want me to leave. You know, like I'm in there. She's like packing toys for me. And I'm like, oh, that's weird. I should probably leave some toys here for when I come back.

But she's like packing most of my toys. I'm like, oh, I do need toys while I'm there. I can't just be there without my toys. And so we, she packs all this stuff. The next day we drive from my hometown to New Orleans. I'm flying by myself to Los Angeles. So then I get like, okay, I'm scared. How old are you?

You're like eight or nine? Eight. Eight, okay. So I'm like scared at this point. I don't want to do this. Like what is going on here? That plane is huge because you can see it from the window. And this is before 9 11.

So yeah, my grandma and my aunt like waited with me at the gate. They just parked the car. We all walked through the airport. Like no security, like, except for the normal security checkpoints. And then we get to the gate and then my grandma starts like balling. And then my aunt's like, it's okay. It's okay.

And like they like, I get on the plane. They walk me on first and I'm like, now I'm crying. Because I'm like, what the hell is going on? Why is my grandma crying? Like what's going on? Turns out I was moving here. Man. That's really crazy.

That's like a scene in a movie. They're keeping that hidden from the kid. Yeah. That's so crazy. Because they knew I would have fought it. Right. I wouldn't have, I would have been like, no, I don't want to leave my friends.

I don't want, I just thought I was coming to visit my mom for the summer. Man, they didn't, they didn't really, they, wow, that's crazy. Well, was there a reason for that? Why? My mom had gotten on her feet enough out here to watch me. And also my grandmother was coming down with Alzheimer's. So like she wasn't able to like run after an eight year old. Because I was a busy eight year old kid.

I played baseball every day. I was, we went swimming a lot. I was in school. Like she had to watch me. And it was, she had to watch like a kid. So that was hard for her. So I got on the plane. I'm still thinking, I didn't figure out I was staying until like,

when it became like August. And I'm like, okay, school starts in August. Right. I got to get back home. Yeah. I'm going to the fourth grade, a third grade. Like, and my mom's like, no, you're going to the third grade out here. Wow.

And I'm like, damn. That's really crazy. Yeah. And so, so, but, so this day I get on the plane. The plane arrives in Los Angeles. I get off as soon as you walk through the gate. Like, like I said before 9-11, my mom's right there. Right.

And I'm like, mom, like I'm super excited to see her. We wait for my luggage. She introduces me to her then boyfriend who eventually would become my brother's dad. Like, and I'm like, okay, yeah, whoever this guy. And then, like, we get my baggage from the baggage claim. We get in the car and I'm driving. I'm seeing like that space thing at LAX for the first time. I'm seeing like super tall buildings.

I'm like, what is, I've never seen any of this stuff. Right. And I'm like, mom, can we stop at McDonald's? Like, I want to eat at McDonald's. And she goes, no, I'm going to take you somewhere special that we don't have back home. And she took me to Roscoe's. Wow. That's cool as hell.

That's crazy. That's awesome. And so that was the first time I ate Roscoe's the very first day. That's amazing. Off a plane, moving to the city. That's your first. Smiley it up. That's crazy.

1997. You and I, what had just grown our, our, our first, first layer of pubes, I guess. Jesus Christ. I knew you were going to say something about first pubes. I was not expecting a layer. Your first layer of pubes was 1997. Jesus Christ. Kara was doing something.

That's a heart. What a story. That's amazing. That's one of the best. That's one of the best restaurant stories that we've ever had about. That's crazy. And here it was about to crack something about that was the same month that Austin Powers released in theaters.

Oh, you want to talk about Austin Powers? Austin Powers was out. Yes. Yeah, baby. We had a legal cable. We had a legal cable. Wow. At my house.

And I was sat and watched Austin Powers all day. I thought it was the funniest day. And then at like 10 o'clock at night, I'm getting ready for bed. I'm still in the living room watching illegal, like watching TV. And I go, oh, I'm going to turn back to Austin Powers. I'm going to watch it again. I turn to the pay-per-view channel. It is now the hot network.

Oh boy. And it is hardcore porn. Jesus. And that was the first time. Every kind of crew, the crew is first layer of pubes. First layer of chest hair down to my butte. This was, this was a couple of months. Right.

I moved here. So, okay. So let's go back to your first Roscoe's experience. What did you get? The same thing I got today. Did you really? Is that true? I have not strayed from this meal.

Wow. That's crazy. I've been a waffle. Man, that's, that's cool. That's cool. That's amazing. When I came out here, I think Roscoe's was one of the, I told you this, Nick, it is kind of, first of all, Notorious B.I.G.

sings about Roscoe's. And it's, it's one of, it's one of the California restaurants that you know. Right. And I think that, I think there are more now that you maybe know about when you're coming out here, but it was in and out was the big one. And then Roscoe's was, it was, it was the, uh, Roscoe's was the other, Yeah. was one of the other big ones.

It's not as like, you know, there, there are hundreds of in and outs. There are like eight Roscoe's, but they were maybe more at one point. But, but it just like in terms of cultural relevance, it's outstripped. It's, or it's, it's outgrown how, uh, like, like the number of, of the amount of business it does or the number of locations that it has. Like people just know it as an icon. Carol, I was 22 years old. I graduated college.

My parents, my entire family took me to an airport and sent me to California. No, the first time I ever had it, I was an intern at, uh, at this production company that made the movie into deep was one of the last movies that they had made. Which one is into deep? I was with LL Kujae and Omar S. Oh, okay. His name was God.

Yeah. His name was God. He was like a drug dealer. That's a wow, Carl. I remember that movie because he stuck a pool stick up that dude's butt. Jesus. That was like, you're one of the, the few who remembers into deep. Well, I feel like, I mean, you know what, maybe, maybe people have, but I had,

I had seen it before, but I didn't know, like I had never rewatched it or like, I feel like I saw it on TV and never rewatched it. Hey, you know what? If you're out there and you've seen into deep hashtag, I'm too deep. I'm too deep. Yeah. Just change the end to an I am. And if you haven't seen, I'm too deep or if you haven't seen into deep, uh,

hashtag, I'm too shallow, I'm too shallow. I'm not deep enough. Yeah. We, I was, I was working there as an intern and, and, uh, the guy who like the assistant at that company was like, like, we're going to go to Roscoe's. We went to Roscoe's one day and I went to the same one we went to today, which is on, it's on Gower and sunset. Yeah.

Is that, is that, is that like, is that one of the, is that one of the most famous locations? I think it is. I think it's the one where, like, you know, because it's the most in like, kind of the heart of Hollywood. It's the one where you're most likely to see like a celebrity or something. Yeah. But, but I mean, like the original one, and I had no idea,

because there was one in Long Beach, uh, which used to go to, and I had no idea that that was the original one on Broadway, but apparently it was. And so, and then also the other one I've been to is the one on Pico. That's the first one I went to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pico on the bray, that was the first Roscoe's I went to. Yeah. Yeah.

But they're, yeah, I know that one. They're kind of dotted all across the, uh, the Southland. There's one in Pasadena. There's one, that's, Pico on the bray is the one that Obama went to. Oh, is it really? That's right. The meal that I got today was used, used to be called the Sco Special. Right.

Which is three wings and a waffle. Probably their most famous. And then now it's called the Obama Special. The Obama Special. Man. Which is cool. Maybe one day it'll be the Carl Special. Yeah.

Cause I'll be president. Do you think that would be the Trump Special? Oh boy. Of course not. Mitch. Maybe your Roscoe's. My Chick-fil-A. Papa John's.

At my Roscoe's. What the fuck? I don't even see you have a Patriot channel. Right. Now hold on, Carl. We'll talk about this off-pod. Oh boy. The Patriots are, uh, look, they're a good team.

Tom Brady, you know, here's, here's, here's what I have to say. He, he became, it's like, if you, it's like, if, it's like, if like for me, if they were like, who's a friend of, like they were like, Armin's running for president. Yeah. Armin Weitzman. And I was like, oh, Armin's running for president. Sure. I, I, you know, I'm going to support my friend Armin.

And then Armin won. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think Tom Brady thought that this man was going to win. Let me just say for the record, if Armin said he was running for president and Armin is a great dude, he is, he is ill equipped for that job. He should, there's no situation on which Armin should be commander in chief. I'm not, I'm not trying to compare Armin to Trump either. I'm saying like, you, I would never think that he would win.

Like if you were running for president and then you won, I'd support my buddy, but then and then you, it turned out you had terrible policies, then I would feel bad. Like, I feel like you do opposition research on me. You're saying you support my presidential. You're right. You try to tear me down. I'm a Patriots fan.

I love them. There's nothing I can do. There will never be a Trump special. Right. Good. I hope I, what do you want me to say about Trump? He's an orange buffoon, Nick. Oh, he's for sure an orange buffoon.

Who loves the Patriots. He does love the Patriots. He doesn't even watch football. He's a, he's a weirdo man. No, he's too busy combing his hairpiece. Okay. President wants to date his daughter. Okay.

Anything else, Nick? Uh, he's the commander in, he's the commander in beef because he's got a beefy ass. Trump do got a big ass. He's got a very large ass. He's got a huge ass. It's always funny. He makes fun of like, he's very like anti-fat people, but I'm like, you're fucking fat.

He's a very heavy man. He's a fat guy. He looks like, I mean, he's like, he's like six foot three, but like two 80. He's like a very, very large dude. I heard he made people stop having healthy snacks in the White House. Like all the people who worked there. Like, so when Obama was there, like walking around with like carrot sticks and hummus, but he makes people eat like candy.

Right. Everyone's got two caramel apples. You have to, he makes you, he makes you snickers. I know I did hear that he made, he was like, don't eat healthy snacks around because like he is like a crotchety old dude who's like, get that healthy shit away from me. Slapping bottled waters out of your hand. There will never, you who, there will never be a Trump special.

I can't even make a joke on this damn podcast. You can make it. We were just playing. We were having fun. No, I'm mad now. Mitch, we were having fun. All right. Let's get into our bully me.

So I got what I usually get was the number two sco's. This is a quarter chicken smothered with gravy and onions, two waffles, our own mix, as we mentioned. So let's talk about the core of the, the core concept of the restaurant, chicken and waffles, because I think it's another thing where again, a lot of people who've never experienced it are kind of like either like what or like, think it's like a joke, but it is a combo that like makes, when you're eating it, it's like everything's kind of like, like that same sort of batter.

It's, it's not the exact same batter, but it's that same sort of like, you know, that, that crispy flakiness that you get from, from both sides of the meal. It has that in common. And then the sweetness of the syrup kind of like also kind of works with the chicken as well. Yeah. It's like, it all comes together really, really nicely. It's so fucking good. It's so good.

Let's, let's cut to the chase. It's fucking, it's great. It's an LA institution for a reason. It is, it's fun. It's fun. And also at the time, because, because Biggie sings about it and going back to Cali and, and he can, where he sings about the things he loves about the West Coast. And I, first of all, I think this is a beautiful song because there was an East Coast versus West

Coast rap, Pete Weigher. Right. I don't know if you knew this, but then also like a, to, to have it make his list, to have Roscoe's make his list is something special. Sure. Why would you think I wouldn't know that? I think it's sad too, and ironic because Roscoe shot Biggie Smalls. Whoa.

Roscoe himself. Wow. God damn it. That's crazy. That's breaking news. That's the, that's their private mix in the waffles. Damn. Ashes from Biggie Smalls.

They still have enough. Oh, he was big. He was a big man. He's huge. God, I hope Mrs. Smalls doesn't listen to the podcast. Oh, she's a Patreon subscriber. She donates something. That's $5 less for y'all.

Wallace, right? What's that? Wallace, Mrs. Wallace. Yeah. So, okay. So we got, we like a bitch. You didn't know that. I knew that Wallace was,

I knew Biggie had the name Wallace associated somehow. Okay. I did. I actually did know that. All right. Deepak Shakur, Biggie Wallace. I know there's a Wallace in there. Christopher Wallace.

Christopher Wallace. There you go. Jesus, Liger. Look, I'm not a total, I'm not completely uninformed when it comes to hip hop. I'm gonna be honest. I know a little bit. Look, I'm gonna be honest. I'm not a rap freak, okay?

I don't know every hip hop song in the world. Go ahead. I was, I was impressed with the other day that you knew Summertime and the LBC. You know some hip hop. That's a great song. It is a great song. Yeah. Dove Shack.

Dove Shack. I'm smothering ribs with barbecue sauce. It's like a very, very, and also like, uh, like beautiful, beautiful and very funny, like, like how detailed he is about the food. Fools get tossed. If they try to touch my barbecue grill, so continue to chill. It's a great song. Love it.

All right. Go on, Liger. I'm sorry that I disrupted you. That's fine. Wait, but tell us what you got, Mitch. Tell us, let's talk us through your entree. I got the Skos number one. I believe, which is the same thing without gravy.

It's the same thing with no gravy. Right. Yeah. And I ate so much food, uh, and I, and I got a chicken breast and, uh, and a leg. Yeah. It went all dark. Me. What did it say?

It was, it served. It's, uh, now I can't remember what it says next. We had served something style, uh, maybe just country style. I don't, I forget what it says, but it's, it's just, it's just fried. It's fried chicken. No, there's no gravy on top of it. Yeah. But it's good.

I mean, it's a good moist chicken that you get. Oh, it's, it was so good in two waffles. It was great. Amazingly good. We also got a bunch of sides. We got the candy yams. This is Carl's recommendation. The red beans and rice, some mac and cheese and some greens.

Uh, what'd you guys think of them sides? I love every single one of them. Carl, go ahead. Oh my gosh. You know, okay. So I ate so much food tonight. Mm hmm. Like, so I had, I usually get the, I, I kind of lie.

I usually get the number nine, uh, which is one wing and three waffles. But tonight I got two waffles and three wings and on top of that, I had a sunset, which is Kool-Aid and lemonade mixed together. Right. Uh, very sweet. Very delicious. Yeah. I got one of those as well.

I got one of those as well. I kind of went through like three, like three square meals in one sitting. Cause I had the, so I eat in portions. I don't eat stuff together. Some people say they just pose a mix to chicken. Yeah. With the syrup and so good. Like the sweet and salty and it's like, like almost made like a waffle chicken

sandwich. Right. I don't do that. I've tried it. It's not terrible, but it just ain't for me because I like my chicken. Like that's why I don't know if y'all noticed I ordered an extra small plate. Yeah. For my chicken because I don't want the syrup to touch my chicken.

Uh, I ate the waffles first. I didn't notice that. That's funny. I didn't realize that was the reason that was why, that was why either. Cause my thing is like, if that syrup touches that chicken, ooh, that's no problem at all. It's not bad, but I just don't, I want my chicken. All salt.

Right. I got you. Drowned in hot sauce. But like, uh, so I ate the waffles first, then I pulled the chicken over and while I was having like, I ate one piece of chicken as like the waffles were breakfast, that one piece of chicken was like lunch and then dinner started because the next two pieces of chicken and then I started to load on the sides a spoonful of red beans and rice, a nice dollop of mac and cheese, a couple of yams.

I wish I was, I wish I was paying more attention to this because this is very funny. Yeah. You have this whole art constructed in your head of like, basically how a day's worth of meals progressed in this one dining experience. It was funny because like that you did have like a sleeping cap on for your first when you're doing breakfast. Yeah. And then you put on a midday cap. Yeah.

You like hit an alarm clock when we sat down, which was strange. Yeah. I took a nap during, I took a midday nap cause it was my day off. Yeah. You sung was in the middle of an anecdote and you just sort of knotted off and I thought it was a little rude, but we figured you were sleepy. It's my day off. Yeah.

No, there, there's the portion, what, what we all got. I mean, there was a, I ate a ton of food myself, but there's enough for a couple of meals to make a couple of meals. I shouldn't have got two waffles. It's excessive. Like the, the normal portion there they give you is the quarter, you get, you get one quarter portion of chicken and then like, but even the quarter chicken and like that's almost enough because it's very heavy, but then you have two waffles.

Like one waffle is the right amount of food, I feel like, but they give you two, which is great. Cause I mean, I feel like the Roscos is an indulgence. So I think it's fine to like over eat a little bit there. Cause that's part of what, that's part of the experience, but it is a punishing amount of food and definitely like, I like, to me, it's a challenge to finish even that one plate and the fact that we had other things beyond that. I will say of the sides, red beans and rice, red beans and rice is one of my favorite,

my favorite sides. And I feel like this is a, this is a very good version of it, but I don't feel like it's like the stand out in this, this pack for me, it was the mac and cheese and the candy yams. That's fair. The mac, I think the mac and cheese is great. And that candle's candy yams are so good. They are sweet though. They're very, very sweet. It's like a dessert. It's candy. It is. It is. It's basically candy. I bought my, the, the thing with the, the red beans and rice and the, the greens is that you got to put some hot sauce on there and then they're the most delicious things on earth.

Yeah. You got to liven them up a little bit with some extra seasoning. And we ordered some cornbread as well. I ordered some cornbread later on. And Carl, you gave that good note of eating some cornbread with some of that other stuff, and it works with the greens and red beans and rice. It just like works so well together. They all work. They all work so well together. And I'm with Nick, Nick, I love it when you get a little of the syrup on your chicken. Hell yeah. You got to mix it all up a little bit. It's, it was, it was, they, they, they, they, they specifically, I feel like knocked it out of the park tonight.

Yeah. I recognize that that's what, that's how you're supposed to eat it. And that's an unpopular, but I also, I always separate my foods and I always eat least favorite to favorite. So like, if that, if my grandmother had cooked that meal, with minus the waffles, there would be no waffles, but let's say fried chicken, greens, cornbread, red bean and rice, candy, yams, mac and cheese, I would eat eight in this order per se. My grandma would have made me eat the greens because that's the vegetables. Right. Even though at that point they're cooked to oblivion, so they're probably not healthy anymore at all. She's like, eat the vegetables.

Right. So that would have been the vegetables. I would eat the greens and then I would have ate the red beans and rice. Then I would have gotten to the chicken. Then I would have ate the mac and cheese and save those candy yams for last. That's a good order. I agree with that. Oh, you gotta, you ended on the sweet, on the sweet stuff. I, I, I tackled mine. I weirdly went at the waffles first and then, but in between I was taking bites of that chicken and I gotta say tonight for me, the chicken was the star of the whole show. It was so good. It was so juicy, so crispy on the outside, so juicy in the middle. And I will tell y'all this too, Roscoe's chicken is my favorite chicken in Los Angeles. Wow. That's a big statement,

but it's real. Right. Have you, have you gone out of howling rays or anything yet? Yeah, I haven't been to howling rays. Yeah. Sure. Right. Sure. That's all I'll take. That's all I'll say about howling rays. It ain't bad. It ain't bad at all. I like to do who works there. He always hooks it up. He's a good guy. Good guy. I like it. I got the hot and it was good. There's also Honey's Kettle in Culver City. Honey's Kettle. Honey's Kettle's is good. It's really good. But Roscoe's chicken, Roscoe's wings for me is some seasoning that they use. When you add, when you take that seasoning and you put that hot sauce on it. Right. I'm falling asleep right now. And this is not even that late. Right. I can see Z's above your head.

There's something about when you eat that chicken that it does taste extremely classic. It tastes like classic fried chicken. Yeah. And it's just so well done. It was really, really well done tonight. Right. It was great. Remember Albertson's Grocery Store? Oh yeah. It's also a great chicken. I love the Albertson's Fried Chicken. He loves the Albertson's Fried Chicken. Yeah. I brought that into a, like I went to, we had to, this was when I worked in video games. There was an Albertson's right across the street and I went to Albertson's. I got some fried chicken for like, this was like the middle of the afternoon. I just, I just got like a two-piece and I brought it back and then we were having like a meeting, like our department meeting

and I brought, I went in there and I was like the only one with food. So I had like this bag of fried chicken and I just started eating it. And like the department head started going like, hey, so, you know, we had to fire this guy. Like just tried, it was kind of give the somber meeting about us, like them having to fire a guy on the team. And you were eating fried chicken. I just had like a big old like chicken drumstick that I was taking bites of. Jesus Christ. And I remember my friend, like my coworker just like looked over and was like, there's Nick chomping on chicken. So clearly they doing something inappropriate in the midst of this very somber. Hey man, just cause they do got fired on me. You ain't hungry. I know exactly.

Don't Carl, don't stick up. Thank you Carl. Do you remember when Oaks Gourmet was Victor's corner? Oh yeah. This is, this is a long time ago, Carl. For my time. Oaks Gourmet is a restaurant. It's like a kind of high-end like cheese. Yeah, they've the cheese. Yeah, exactly. It's like a high-end eatery that that's right neck on the same block as the UCB. They sell like beer and wine and stuff, but like a lot of food. There's food stuff there, but it's Victor's square. Right? It's at Victor's square. Yeah, it used to be this old deli. Victor's deli was what it was called. This old deli that with very dark windows that old guys would eat at. And I remember I went and got pastrami sandwich and I brought it into like a UCB show that I think like Besser was in. Right. And like everyone in

the theater was like, what the fuck? Right. Everyone could smell my fucking pastrami sandwich. Right. I was like the big stinky pastrami guy in the back row. Yeah. And I was just trying to eat a sandwich. I was just hungry. I couldn't help it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was a theater. When did they change that to Oaks? They changed that to Oaks in probably 2009. Yeah, something like that. Right before I started coming around. There you go. Started coming around around 2010. That was a big change. Maybe 2008 even. It was, it was, it was pretty early. Another UCB show's story real quick. That show, Facebook, like Paul Scheer and Paul Scheer show, they have that. There was a, they were doing that one night

and in the front row, this guy sits down and takes out of the bag like just a giant shrimp cocktail and just just starts eating a jumbo shrimp cocktail like one at a time while he's watching improv comedy like three feet away. That dude had to do that as a bit. Right. It was a great bit. Yeah. That's a, nothing goes better than some live comedy and shrimp raw seafood and hey, by the way, we get, we get to wrap up, but, but you mentioned you brought up. Yes. Carplut. And this is a little segue. I, I, I, I probably apologize. We're going off topic here. The, a picture of the porgs came out today, Nick. Oh boy. You want to talk porgs? There was a new, there's a new porg picture. There's a new porg picture. Carl, do you follow Star Wars at all?

No, I thought you were talking about Krista Porzingis. Oh man. Porzingis is a whole another story. Porzingis, we're, we're, we're NBA fans, but he didn't get traded, right? Nothing happened with Porzingis today. The porgs are, uh, this is from the new Star Wars movie. There was a picture of the porgs today. Nick, the porgs look bad. Look, I'm keeping an open mind about episode eight. I like the director of Ryan Johnson. I think he's done some good work. I think he's okay. I joined episode seven. What's that Kelly trans in it? There you go. Kelly Tran is in it. That's right. A UCB alum, but I, I'm not sold on the porgs. They had, there's a shot of chewy next to a porg. A porg is maybe driving, maybe driving, maybe with two, like I, I'm not, look,

I'm, I can't defend the, what do the porgs do? I don't know. I don't love the porgs. I don't love the porgs, but you know, I'm going in with an open mind. I'm just going to say that still did not give me confidence that the porgs were going to be a good contribution. Yes. I think the porgs might be bad. Anyways, which one were the porgs? They're, they're like these little, you know, I'll find a picture of the porgs and I'll show you. They look like CG, they look like CG penguins. They tell me original porgs and new porgs. Uh, I mean, they're, they're just, these aren't poor. Like there were no original porgs. Oh, I love the idea of original. And you know what? These are, I will say this, that porgs, here's the image that was released

in China. It's already on Wikipedia. Oh, okay. Yeah. The one next to Chewbacca. I don't like, look at that picture. He looks, look, he looks kind of like a happy feet penguin. He doesn't look super. I know it looks bad if there was no original one to compare it to. Yeah. No, I know. I mean, look, all right. That's fair. I'm just saying that as a character design, I don't find it particularly appealing. I don't, I don't know what the characters are like, but I'm just, it doesn't lend me confidence. You know what, Nick, now that we're on controversial opinions, we both think Game of Thrones has gotten bad. Okay. Look, we're not yet. Carl, do you watch Game of Thrones? No. Okay. We don't, we don't need to dwell

on these things that Carl doesn't know about. We'll talk about these later. We'll talk about that later. But yes, we both have weird, we have contrarian takes on Game of Thrones as well. Let's wrap up. Let's get to our final thoughts on Ross. Yes. So Carl, that's, I was segueing. Okay, fine. I didn't have confidence that you were going to do it. I thought you were going to go on another tangent. All right. One last thought about porgs. All right. Let's talk about, let's wrap up, Carl. All right. So Carl, here's how this will work. We'll go around. We sort of give our closing argument on this chain and then give it a rating from one to five forks. You're our guest. We'll begin with you. My closing argument, Roscoe's is near and dear to my heart. It holds a very

sentimental place. I, it represents my time here in Los Angeles, which at first was not when I enjoyed because I kind of got snuck attacked when I moved. Right. I, I, Roscoe's has always been good. I eat it maybe two or three times a year. That's, that's all it is. It's an indulgence. As you said earlier, the chicken, I feel like is the best chicken in Los Angeles. That waffle is unmatched even at the waffle house in the south, which if we ever take a trip to the south, we got to go to Waffle House guys. I want to be in that episode. We're going to go on the road at some point. So we get, we get, a waffle house is one that we've since almost the first couple months of doing this. People have said we got to go to, I think Carl's our waffle guy. Carl, you might,

you might get the, you, you, you may be now known as the waffle guy from to all those dough boy loyalists. Oh boy. Waffle guy. Let's go to waffle house. Let's do it. The nearest one is in like Arizona, like right or something. Oh Jesus. I don't know about that one. I want to go to one in Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia. Right. It's like the Vegas version of some of these regional chains. You can't necessarily trust it because sometimes it's like pretty different. Yeah. With that being said, all that wrap up food was great tonight. Didn't disappoint. Roscoe's has never disappointed. I have been to like four of the locations, the one in Pasadena on Lake Street, the one on Pico, of course, Gower, Cincinnati Gower, and the one on Manchester, Maine, and the

one by the airport. That's the newest one, I think. And they're all good. I'm going to give this five forks. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's perfect. Because I feel very similar Carl. I don't have the connection to it as, as you do. I always knew that it was one of the places I had to try. I, I, and I know, I mean, I really only knew about it from the going back to Cali, honestly. But the first time I tried it, you go in there, you just know there's something about the place. It's like, it feels like an institution. It's different. I like on the Gower restaurant, it's like, it's all wood and you go in there and it feels almost like Disney-ish. It feels like you're transported to a different place. Yeah. And I love that about it. I thought today the service was

great. We got everything we wanted. She brought extra syrup. And I thought, and, and, and she was great and, and, and she was on top of stuff. And then also at the same time, the food was amazing. They just knocked it, they knocked it out of the park. It's just great fried chicken, great waffles. It's, it's, it's a good time. There's, there's, there's people waiting outside. It's a lively atmosphere. It's, it's, it's, it's fucking great. It's just, it's, if you come to California, you got to go there. God bless Snoop Dogg for, for keeping it going. Yeah. Good job by Snoop. Um, I'm going five forks too. I love Roscoe's. Wow. Goodness. It's great. What is, what can you say? Right. I mean, it's, it's delicious.

You know, it's, I give the porgs one for, wow. I wanted to tell you guys, I'm sorry. Yes. But that location we were in tonight, the first time I went there, which was in the late nineties, uh, early 2000s, maybe, um, only the only, they have a big section now, right next to it. The only section used to be where we were sitting at, like, that's right. That was how small that restaurant was. You probably remember that when you first ate there. When I, when I, when I first ate there, I had, I had heard that that section, I think it was open. Yeah. But they, they were like, this, this is new. Yeah. Yeah. That was the new section. That, that, that building was that small. And if you go back, if people listeners

go back on YouTube and they watch, uh, Lenny Kravitz and, uh, what's the model's name from the nineties? The huge model. Uh, Cindy Crawford, Cindy Crawford and Lenny Kravitz go have lunch at Roscoe's. They have like an LA day and they go and they eat at that Roscoe's. This is on some MTV show in 1993. You can find it online. I'm sure. Yeah. So I've watched it. All right. Nick, sorry to get you all. I just, now I just want to know about this Kravitz Crawford show. Yeah. What was this? Wait, was this a two-hander or was this just like they'd have a different celebrity couple every episode? It wasn't, I don't think there were a couple. I just think she was like hosting and she was like, I'm going to hang out with Lenny Kravitz and we're going to see LA his way. So this

was like a Cindy Crawford's house of style, say. That's what it was. Okay. All right. That's what it was. Okay. So we'd see like the real LA. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Well, all right. Well, interesting. I got Kravitz on the brain. All right. Yeah, I'm sure you do. Thinking about that big old donger. All right. Look, knew you were. I knew it was what you were thinking about. God damn it. You pervert. This band's gonna contain that bad boy. How many forks you give that? Oh boy. I think I need a fucking pair of tongs for that thing. All right. Hey, Usong, come over here because this was your first time you had it. You've had it. Ross goes. Usong, what was your... Hey, take me to this mic real quick. Give us your assessment of this chain.

I'm so sleepy right now. I'm so full and so sleepy, but it was so good. Like, I definitely would go back and like, I think I would, the only thing is I would maybe use less syrup and I thought the drinks were a little too sweet, but I think they're very sweet. I just have a very weak, like the opposite of a sweet tooth. Can I give a forks rating? Yeah, go for it. Four forks. Usong, you ruined the perfect score. No, Usong score. Look, if you gave it five forks, I would have been, I would have like said, like, Usong score is my score, but since he didn't, I'm gonna just dismiss it. Thank you, Usong. Usong can do no wrong. You gotta sunrise, which ours was basically fruit punch and lemonade. His was lemonade and orange juice. And his was lemonade and orange juice.

But also, all these drinks are insanely sweet. I mean, that's part of the charm. They are very sweet. Look, it's crazy. It's over the top, but it's so fucking good. It's so well done. They're, you know, for the amount of the volume they do, the service is remarkably efficient, maybe a little brusket times, but they just sort of get their job done, and they get you in, they get you out, and they get you your food quickly. We were not waiting long, even though that restaurant was jam-packed, and there was a line out, not a line out the door, but a huge crowd outside. A couple kerfluffles outside as well. There was. You know what? Sunset Boulevard is always crazy. So if you're near Sunset Boulevard, there's always something going on.

But I tell you what, I have a great time there. It's an icon for a reason. It's delicious. And what more can you say? Welcome to the Platinum Play Club, Roscos. You joined the elite company of In-N-Out Burger, the Hillstone family of restaurants, many others, five forks all around. Wow. What is the Hillstone family? Hillstone family. It's like you got your Houston's, you got your Hillstone, you got your Bandera, you got your R&D. What am I missing? Dear God, do you work for this fucking company? You got the grill. Oh man, they're Goldstream. Yeah, Houston's is the big one. That's their big brand. Houston would say that he gives five forks too, but he's falling asleep. It's really, really great. Yeah, it's delicious.

It's a great spot. Right. Yeah. All right. U-Song, you do realize that you control your syrup input, right? Is that what you knocked off this fork for? Because you used too much syrup? Yeah, that was a little weird. Yeah, U-Song, what the fuck? Deduct a fork from yourself, buddy. Oh my God. Wait, why are we turning on U-Song? I don't know. U-Song is the only thing good and pure about this podcast. He's crying. We made him cry. Oh God, no. He's not paid enough to endure this sort of torment. There was, on Vice News this week, did a very interesting piece on this guy who's cooking like, he's, he's, where is he? He's like in like some like, like, in like, you know how there's like, like Plymouth count, like the Plymouth for in Massachusetts, like the Plymouth

colonies where like, and this guy's cooking chicken there, like the old school way. And this is on Vice News this week. And you should check it out. It was a great segment on a, on a chicken in the black culture. And it was, it was, it was a cool segment on Vice News. So check it out, because it's on topic. All right. What are you surprised? I fucking plug in Vice News now. You get on me for talking about Hillstone. It was, it was a great, and it has to, it has to do with what, what we ate today. And it was, and it's, and it was cool. I'm sure it's great. Fuck you, Weigher. Move on over to Vice Land. I would love to. I would love to do Doe Boys on Vice Land with myself and Carl or anyone else besides you. Oh man, that'd be an upgrade. All

right. It's time for a regular segment. I've got a mystery drink and Mitch and Carl must guess what it is. It's the Weigher challenge. The winner gets a balance of the bottle. The loser goes home thirsty. Carl, you don't have any food allergies, do you? No. Okay, great. So I've given a blue cup to each of you, blue solo cup. If you did, we would have been fucked. Well, I wouldn't have had you drink it. And we've got the, you guys have this beverage in front of you and feel free to taste it, smell it, tell us what you're seeing and sensing. It's a pretty dark red color. Which is, I dig it. I've drank stuff that's this color. You're both taking sips now. Oh my God. Mitch, you made a scrunched up face. I did not. More scrunched up than usual. This

doesn't have real sugar. It's trying to be sweet, but it doesn't have real sugar. It's like a xylitol or some sort of xylitol. Carl, I'm usually pretty good at this game, but I may have met my match. This is insane. I feel like you're... Why'd you zero in on xylitol? You got your flavors down pretty well. Oh, yeah. This is, it's tingling my palate. Yeah. This is like, it's trying to be cranberry. But there's a little cran going on. Some sort of other fruit. Mitch, you're really not enjoying this. I don't like this. I say xylitol because aspartame gives you more of a sweet, a sweet taste. This is xylitol. The icebreakers have these little xylitol patches. Okay. And I used to eat when I worked at Rite 8. Here's the deal, Carl. If xylitol is in this drink, you win the

challenge. Okay. We'll look at the ingredient list and it says xylitol. I'll be very, very impressed. You'll definitely win. Is this... Every time I try to go and lose weight, which is always a losing battle, I try to find... Because I have such a sweet tooth, I try to find drinks... I know what you're going to say here, I think, but... That are healthy. And I think I've had this before. Okay. Okay. Is this that buy? So hold on. Hold on a second. You put your guess in. Okay. You're saying buy. Do you want to... Do you have anything more specific than that? Buy cranberry pomegranate. Okay. So I'm like that. Wow. Mitch, what's your guess? I was going to say there's a kai berry in here. A kai berry? Wait. How do you say that? A sigh berry.

Oh, a sigh. Okay. Oh, Jesus. That's embarrassing. Whatever. It's not that embarrassing. I'm dumb. That's like the 114th most embarrassing thing you've disclosed in this podcast. A sigh berry. You're like tell stories about walking around bottomless in a public restroom and waving at a stranger. I think that this is a sigh berry. Right. And I think it's cranberry. I think there is some cran in here too. Carl, I think that you're right about buy. Because I don't even know... You can't just say... I think that he's right. Then I'm going to say it's like a nature well or some sort of juice drink. It tastes like a healthy thing, but it's a sigh berry. It's a healthy juice drink. I don't

even know a brand. A healthy juice drink with a sigh berry. Okay. All right. Mitch, you have lost the Weiger Challenge. Carl got it by antioxidant fusion, Brasilia Blueberry, which is pretty damn close to pomegranate cranberry. And let me check the ingredient list. Bi-proprietary sweetener blend, stevia leaf extract, and erythetrol. I'm going to say that's close enough to xylothol. Yes, I think so. Carl, you knocked it out of the park. That was good. I knew it was bi because bi has a specific taste. Getting the brand dead on is pretty good. Bi is impressive. Jesus. When I was trying to lose weight, I drank the peach one. Right. Peach one was pretty solid. 5 calories, 1 gram of sugar. It says no artificial sweeteners, but

here we go, by the way. All right. You can have the rest of this if you like. This is a stink for sure. This shit, I don't like this. You don't like it. Carl, what do you think? It's fine. When you stop, when you stop doing sugar and you cut your sugar down, you cut your sugar intake super down. Something like this goes a long way. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The only thing I can say as someone who's lost a good amount of weight and done an okay job at keeping it off, the thing that worked for me is sugar-free altoids because I get that sweetness, but without like, it's still an artificial sweetness, but something about the artificiality with that strong mint made it sort of work as like, okay, this work is a substitute.

And then it was something I could suck on, not something that I was actually putting calories in my body. Come on, Mitch. What? You might, as soon as they said suck on, you got a little smirk on your face. I didn't say anything. Yeah, I know, but I know what you were thinking. It's written all over your face. Weiger, you just, you upped your protein intake. All right. You really upped your protein intake. Right. And you lost a lot of weight. Okay. We know what you're doing. How did you do it? Everyone knows what you're doing. You got to give me a diet plan. We can talk a little bit later, but I mean, like, the main thing was I was just, I really went on a, I was very strict about carbs and sugar specifically. And he upped his protein. It was a very

natural diet. What? You know, I know, I know what you're saying. What? You're talking about upping my protein. What am I trying to say? It's clear what's under the surface. You connected it to sucking. We know what you're doing. Stop trying to be coy. Stop trying to play it coy. You replaced fatty foods with what? With cum, Mitch. I know. Everyone knows what you're saying. Cum. Yeah, I meant cum. You took subtext. You were eating it. You took subtext and made it text. That's what you do. You were eating it in sandwiches. You were eating it in soups. You think I was just like going to a sperm bank and asking for their runoff? 100%. I was just filling up gallon jugs and taking them back and putting them in my fridge. I want the most twisted guys that come in

here and donate, you'd say. I specifically want the rejects. You want the reject sperm. All the people you'd never want to impregnate a woman. What's the matter with you? You put it on bread like a veggie might. God, this is disgusting. This is fucking nasty. It's the truth. Anyways, Carl, congratulations. Thank you. Just like a restaurant without your feedback. Let's upload the feedback. Today's email comes to us from Danny Boyko. Danny writes, How do you guys feel about frozen pizzas? As a kid, there was nothing better outside of the real deal. That is, as an adult, they still hold a special place in my heart. So what are your favorite frozen pies? Do you have a favorite brand? Carl, are you a frozen pizza man?

I used to be. Yeah. What would you go? What would you roll with? Let me think here. Red Baron man at DeGiorno. DeGiorno would be better. DeGiorno used to hit the 90s more. I feel like maybe it's just me getting older that changes my taste buds. But I remember DeGiorno used to hit as hard as like, almost as hard as like Pizza Hut Domino's like back in the day. Well, yeah. I mean, I feel like Pizza Hut and Domino's are like, you know, they're like very, you know, run of the mill chain pizza. And so there were like, I feel like the best frozen pizzas can compete with it. I mean, like you're still not getting the same Christmas that you can get from that real pizza oven, but I feel like you can, you can

come pretty close. Yeah. I mean, I've always loved delivery pizza more than I loved homemade pizza. Right. I started off with Elio Pizza back in the day, which was like the three, you could break it into three pieces and square rectangle. I think it's Elio at least. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it is. And then also I went, I before that, even I had Mama Celeste pizza. Oh man. Mama Celeste used to hit. Yeah. Mama Celeste was great. So cheap too. It's super cheap. Yeah. It's like 10 for 10. And I used to think they were really good. And also they do a good job when you microwave them. They're still okay, but always better when you put it in the oven, of course. Then I moved on to DiGiorno. I did like a couple, I tried for Shedda and I tried a

couple of hours, but DiGiorno, I think was the king for a long time. Right. California pizza kitchen ones were too weird. So DiGiorno. And then as I've gotten, as I've grown, I've gotten older, Red Baron is kind of the one that I think is, is one of the better ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Red Baron is, it does all right. I have never not burned a CPK frozen pizza. Those are, those are hard to get right. I mean, like, I feel like the CPK, because like, you know, the real CPK, which is its own thing. And I feel like you can't really approximate that as well at home. And then the same way that you can, like the TGI Friday is like apps are kind of, are pretty close. The home version are pretty close to the ones you can get in the restaurant.

Not, of course, you don't have that deep fat fryer, but they, they, like the CPK one is, is kind of night and day with what you get in the restaurant. Here are my picks. Red Baron, you mentioned DiGiorno. Here's the thing. I think my expectations for DiGiorno were too high because of the marketing. Every time I had it, I felt like, because it's more expensive than the other frozen pizzas. So I always felt like I was never quite getting something great. Mama Celeste, we mentioned my picks. Wow. Tonys. Oh, Tonys. The classic Italian chef, who's just like, it's shitty, but like, it's like, it's cheap and it's big. And it's got that Italian chef on the, and like to me, that just like, that just imbues it with like quality.

Like it just sort of like, like, oh, I trust this pizza because there's that Italian stereotype there. Like, you know, not, I don't think he's physically kissing his fingers on it. You love the Italian stereotype? Yeah, I do. I love Mario. I love Luigi. I love Tony. Okay. I love Rocky. These are real Americans. And I also love, the other one for me is Geno's. Geno's is like super, super cheap, like just a great value. And they come in like these kind of like these personal sizes. I got my Geno's. I don't think I've had it. Right. Because a lot of times that, uh, those frozen pizzas are a meal for one. And so like, if you get that giant, like big thing, like you're just, you're just taking too much pizza to the dome and Gabriel's

parlance or your, you know, like, or you're going to have leftovers and leftover frozen pizza is just like, come on. So yeah, like those little personal size Geno's, I feel like you're just about the right size, especially if you put those up in an oven. Gabriel's just texted me almost as you said that. I sent him a picture and he said, tell Carl, I said, hello. Oh, that's nice. Shout out for some Gabriel's. Yeah. Great man. Oh, good dude. Stop stealing his fucking bits. I'm going to say to the dome as much as I like. I can't say it as cool as Gabriel's. You can't, of course you can't say it as cool as Gabriel's. Man, Gabriel's is cool. Yeah, no shit. He's much cooler than you. What are you trying to do? I know. Be yourself.

Gabriel's could be a dope ass offensive line. I think so too. Oh boy. I'm the biggest pussy of the three of us, but you two could teach me your way. If you have a question or comment about the world of chain restaurants, you can email us at Doughboyspodcasts at gmail.com to get the Doughboys double, our weekly bonus episode. Subscribe at patreon.com slash Doughboys. Carl Tartt, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. This has been a gift and a privilege to be here. I've been wanting to be on this podcast. The people spoke on Twitter when I hit you. I didn't even know that that was going to happen. A ground swell of support. It's funny because we had already talked about getting in you. You were long overdue. We

talked about getting you in here. Everyone we have from here and I was going to be long overdue, but we had talked about Carl for a lot before this happened. Like we got a Carl on and they were like, wait, how do we book Susser for the fifth time? What happened? It always happens. Yeah, we get Susser back. I want to be back. Dude, I'm always going to go eat with y'all man. Oh, right. That was really fun. It was a fun time. Got to meet you. So you're the waffle man. One of the more amazing anecdotes we've heard on this podcast in terms of a connection to a chain. That's true. You and I don't really have any besides. We kind of like them. And that'll do it for this episode of Doe Boys. Until next time for the Spoon Man,

Mike Mitchell. I'm Nick Weicker. Happy eating. See ya.