Doughboys - Steak 'n Shake 10 with Evan Susser

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Evan Susser (@evansusser) joins the 'boys to talk highlights from 2025, going unplugged, and NY eats before a review of Steak n' Shake. Plus another edition of Snack or Wack.Watch this episode at youtube.com/doughboysmediaGet ad-free episodes at patreon.com/doughboysGet Doughboys merch at kinshipgoods.com/doughboysAdvertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fmSources for this week's intro:https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/satoshi-nakamoto.asphttps://bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/satoshihttps://www.qsrmagazine.com/uncategorized/sardar-biglari-we-michelangeloed-steak-n-shake/https://fortune.com/2025/09/18/sardar-biglari-war-against-cracker-barrel/https://www.webpronews.com/steak-n-shake-sales-surge-15-with-bitcoin-adoption-and-health-push/https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/financing/beef-tallow-bitcoin-apparently-helped-steak-n-shake-salesDownload Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/8xqcrzj3 #CashAppPodAs a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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not an individual of Japanese origin as the name might imply. His creation is now inextricably linked to how stupid our world and in particular U.S. politics has gotten. A Midwest fast food chain ground zero for a culture war launched by a narcissistic vulture capitalist, who somehow turned a profit by branding a Bitcoin logo on a hamburger bun. This week on Do Boys, we return, possibly for the final time, the steak and shake. Welcome to Do Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Tiger Weiger, along with my co-hosts, 12 boys, from Quincy, 11 interruptions, 10 more minutes, late, nine hours sleeping, eight, what the fucks, seven trips to Quincy, six times a peek in five, forks, Waffle House, four scenes with Pratt, three flights upstairs, two rinks since 86, and a bath tub in which he jerks off. The Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Wow. Wow. Who the, who the fuck said that? Happy holidays to you, Spoon Man, Tiger, Emma, Amelia, Mike, ghost

Casey and U-Song and guests Sean Sakimai Snap the Hap on the DoScore RosedCorp.com Wow! Fuck you. A lot of work in that drop in that drop but Roast.

Well, actually. Perhaps a future drop. In fact, less work than any drop, I would say. Just writing a thing down, right? Yes, less work than any drop but more work than most roast. I think it's great. I'm glad that you did it. I'm going to need to be introduced early. Okay, sure.

You want to go ahead and introduce me now? We'll introduce you when we introduce you. Well, okay, it's me of Incessor, the commissioner, and guys, I hate to spring this on you. Uh-huh. I got a concept for today's episode. Wow. Let's hear it. Do boys unplugged.

Emma, can you? Yeah, just give me one second. We're going to get there together. Here we go. Oh, there it is. Hold on. Really good. Wow.

I'm wearing my flannel, much like Nirvana. Yeah. Grunge. So here's what I'm going to propose. So we have, for most listeners that were born after the Nirvana performance of MTV Unplugged. We're going to go unplugged. So this was a, yes. For our audio listeners.

For our electronics. Wow. You missed your phone fell on the floor. My phone fell out. Wygert. I have notes. I know. We're going to do without the notes.

There you go. We're going unplugged. We're going unplugged. Wow. It's a yonder bag. I mean, we still have the microphones, which I guess is still plugged. But I guess that's like, you know, you can't have to. Oh, no, no timer or anything.

Okay, got it. Can I keep these computers on over here? Mitch does have an out. So I do need to know where Mitch has to go. Well, hopefully that works out. It's not, that's not my fault. We have our candlelight. We do have our candlelight.

And we have, for our audio listeners, there's a bespoke doughboys unplugged back splash art, which is in the studio. right now, which is quite nice. That's why you're wearing flannel. It's not just like the fat guy uniform that big guys wear every day, right? Nope. It's all because of the concept of doughboys unplugged.

We're going to, you know, it's 10 years of doughboys, the year-end wrap, and we're going to, you know, I thought, what's the pomp and circumstance that I could bring to this episode? And not because I'm lazy, but I decided to strip it all back. Wow. Much like.

Oh, you can't be lazy. Look at this. I know. Much like Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska. It's just us. You know, we're like... I guess I'm the Paul Walter Houser role in this, I guess. Yeah, I don't know if he's in it.

I can't check on my phone. But if he is, then yeah, you are. So we're going to just get into it and get it real. What is that Bruce Springsteen movie called? Deliver Me from Nowhere? Bruce Springsteen, deliver me from nowhere. This is Bruce Springsteen, colon, deliver me from nowhere. Kind of a mouthful, that.

It is a little too much of a mouthful. I didn't see it. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen either. Maybe you won't see it. Yeah. Okay. Well, now you can go with the normal episode.

Mitch, if you want to do a drop. Emma, let's hit him with a drop. We don't have one. We're acoustic. Yeah. Mitch, hit us with the drop. We're unplugged. I get, I get it.

You can still toss to it. It's okay. We got a plan. All right. Here's a drop. Howdy? Howdy. How, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

That's ridiculous, Wiger. Bum, bum, bum, and then my shower is filled with calm. Well, isn't that special? Wow. Wow. Hey, Suss, this is actually like, this actually feeling pretty good. She's pretty good. What are you doing?

Why are you standing up in the middle of the recording? It was feeling pretty good. A part of a microphone stand fell off, and it was within, like, it was easier for me to get than from MBM to dais. We could have just left it there. It's fine. I don't know how urgent it was. I just, I don't know how everything works back there.

Is it urgent? I mean, I have no idea. I can't. It's not totally urgent. No, I'll fix it later. Everything is off track now because of this Loki. It's the unplugged episode. So it's like, instead of, you know, we, instead of the, the, the, you know, instead of the, the, the,

usual structure we're going to minimalism where we're uh you know it's it's a it's a maximalism which we often go we're just guys talking now yeah you know we're getting back to the roots isn't that what it's all about sort of thing podcasts have gotten so big they're gonna be in the golden globes that's right podcast category you know and it's all big celebrities and now i'm with you guys very clearly not celebrities no and we're just we're just riffing yeah and we weren't nominated or even close to getting nominated for a golden globes not short listed okay yeah Well, maybe next year we could get on that. Maybe we'd get nominated for a Golden Globe for a podcast.

I don't think it will ever happen. But we did win an IHeart Radio Award for Best Food Podcast, so that's something. And it sits on my kitchen counter. How cool is that? It's pretty cool. What are we going to talk about? You fool. You know what I'm going to say?

Yeah. So long, 2025, you piece of shit. Bye, bye, 2025. Get the fuck out of here. Done with 2025. Yeah. Now we're going forward. It's been 10 years, Suss.

We got the 10 years out of the way. Yeah. Really, but really a very conscious of the slow decay of time with this whole, you know, the decade of doughboys celebration, but then also in particular to the topic of today's episode, where we returned to a location of a restaurant that we went to 10 years prior. And look, I'm going to say this. Decades a long time. But it's also a short time. I think a little, a little coming down the stretch here. of life of life yeah of the of this going towards the finish of this season of dough boys and

of life yeah uh wasn't the easiest end of the year both of us you know both of us struggling a little bit yeah uh questioning we if we were ever funny if the show is still funny what's going on here uh but going forward i i have a positive outlook i feel good i do feel good about things to come and i think that things will change in the in the in the in the i think things will change right i think things are going to change with the podcast maybe a little bit that's possible we'll see we're going to we're going to weigh all that we've got a lot of things are going to a lot of things will stay the same like the patron that's staying the same

the patron will never change still keep giving money let's just get that right let's just get make that very clear that still staying and also the doughboys still proudly stand against ISIS we stand against ISIS not not ice or ice too but still we We stand against ISIS. Yeah, we stand against ISIS.

What are those guys up to? I don't know. I don't know. This is a good question. Can't look it up. And you know what? In other ways, maybe they're cool guys and maybe we would have gotten along with them. But I think fundamentally we just don't agree with what they do.

Yeah, maybe ISIS would have been cool guys if we've gotten to know them. In a different world. In a different world, ISIS might not be like they maybe could be cool guys, but they've done a lot of bad stuff. In our world. In our world. Yes. And you know what else? I'm going to go after somebody else.

Who's that? kills me because I'm a big animal fan. The Wuhan bat. We still don't like the Wuhan. The Wuhan bat. Patient zero for the COVID-19 pandemic. I agree. You know what?

ISIS, you want to win some of us back over. Take out the Wuhan bat. I don't think the bat's still at large. Is it? Does the bat not around? Probably died quite some time ago of COVID. You know, I'm still thinking. If it actually was the origin of it.

I almost feel bad now if the bat died from COVID. You were just saying. saying you wanted ISIS to kill him. Oh, how I feel bad. Like Tom Hanks got all that credit and people were like rallying behind him. Meanwhile, the bat was kind of the first. The bat was, yeah, I didn't know idea. I don't want the bats.

I don't want the ISIS and the bat to team up and spread COVID. I don't want any of that. But I don't, I didn't know that the bat was a victim of COVID. Where's this coming from? I don't know. He told me to rip. Nothing after 2020. I don't know what to do.

My phone's taken. away. So your brain just, like, defaulted to 2020. When did I stop acquiring new information? You know, that's probably true. Yeah. That thing that you said about 10 years being a long time and a short time, that was interesting.

And I was like, oh, that's like pretty profound. That's almost true of all amounts of time. Yeah, it is. And then I was like, well, one second is never really a long time, actually. No, it's not. So it's not really true of all periods of time. And like, a billion years is always a long time. He makes a good point.

one second your dick is getting pierced. Yeah, that's a very long second. Yeah, but then it ends. It's still, it's like. Yeah, but for that one second. Yeah. I guess that hurts for more than a second. That's a good point, Emma.

Well, then it's not a second. I mean, that one second you're getting your dick pierced. The procedure itself is probably pretty pretty good way. I feel like there would be a lot of retraction in that scenario. What do you mean? I'm saying like your defense mechanism. The dick is like, they're trying to like get it. It's like, whoop.

It would be dodging. It's like dodging and weaving. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. That'd be funny to see. That would be funny. Where is this coming from?

I can't talk about the Wuhan bat. You can talk about Dick Pearson. You can talk about these things. We can talk about it whatever. I was just saying maybe dough boys after 10 years, we've talked about items. Yeah. We've talked about different things we could do with. Changing up the format.

You love the word items. We also don't need to tease what the format change could be. We might do something. Maybe every episode is unplugged. No, I mean, it's going to be like this level. Do we have to put our phones in a yonder bag? I will need some sort of notes, even if they're analog notes. I will need something just to give some context for whatever we're discussing.

And probably some guest-specific questions, especially if someone I don't know. 2025 sucked shit. I'm done with it. I am ready for a new year. What year's been good recently, though? Haven't they all been bad? Has any year been good in like the past 10 years? Was it last year that we kept calling it a piss year?

Yeah, they're all fucking bad. It's not the year. You're trying to center it on the year so you think like, hey, we'll get in 2026, we'll get to that threshold. Things will be better. Things will improve. It's going to continue to be bad. No, you always give me a hard time of being a forgetful oaf. Yeah.

But maybe in this scenario, forgetting all these years has been a good thing for me. Wow. Maybe this forgetful guy, maybe all my positivity stems from the fact that I don't remember much. Wow. So you can approach the new day with optimism. That's what I'm saying. Okay. And I'm pretty optimistic about the next year.

Yeah, not me. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, it's probably will be bad. What do you want me to say? It's going to be bad. But you know what? 10 years was a big hurdle to get over. Here's my thing with 2026 because it's going to be an election year here in the states.

And it's just like every election cycle, I feel like there's a worse version of like, I got to vote for this fucking guys. And everyone's like, I know. But the other guy is like this. this, you know, a true fucking demon. So you got to vote for the guy. He's like, the woman could be a demon. It's true. It's true. This other, this other lady is a, is a fucking, you know, nightmare.

So you got to vote for the someone. You got to vote for Nosferatu instead. Right, right, right, right. Or Lady Nosferatu. The Lady, Frankenstein or Bride of Frankenstein. The bride of Frankenstein seems nice. I mean, Frankenstein seems nice in a way. Mummy or Lady Mummy? Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. Or Blue Lagoon or Lady of the Blue Lagoon. Yeah. Are they making a sexy mummy, I think you mean Black Lagoon. Blue Lagoon is the Horny. Blue Lagoon is a Horny movie. Forget that I mentioned that.

It's weird that it came to mind. It's a horrible movie that should be deleted. Speaking of movies, industry worse. Netflix is buying Warner Brothers. Yeah, it was bad news. This is another one where it's just like, it's like, what's your, you're either going to pick Ted Sarandos or David Ellison. Like, which one do you want to, like, are you like Netflix or like Jared Kushner?

You know what I mean? Do you want a complete streaming monopoly or do you want a new right wing media, media empire? Like, it's like there's no good choice. Well, you know my answer to that. I actually think Paramount might be the better option just because Netflix owning all of streaming is probably disastrous for labor. Yes, I agree with that. But you know whose fault it is? It's you.

It's you, everyone, you at home. It's the listener. It's, you know what? You, the loyal doughboys subscriber. It's your fault. Not them specifically because they go out of their way to get some good stuff like doughboys. Yeah. I'm saying it's all you fucking people at home

watching fucking Netflix filling up your sweatpants with farts get the fuck out of the house go see a fucking movie you fucking lose I'm talking to myself here too But people are seeing movies That's the only thing But I'm saying they say let's put on the new Netflix thing

And they just watch that and it's fucking terrible And they just repeat this They eat the slop They all eat the slop Get out of your house Go do something That me too The mirror is on me

two i gotta get up and go see something should we give him his phone back no this is good this is great go get out of there take those take the sweatpants off fuck your wife for once go fuck your wife get upstairs fuck your wife don't watch the new murder mystery on netflix you don't got to watch stranger things finger suck each other off do something get out of the house go see a friend. We think Netflix is good. That's what we've come to. It's just the monoculture.

It's just like... The monoculture sucks. We've figured it out. It's bad. It's just the dominant streaming platform, the one that everyone has. So it's like it's it benefits from ubiquity. But I agree with you.

I don't have it. Yes, cancel your Netflix, please. All these directors and actors, how about they don't take the money? How about they do something interesting for once in their lives? This is weird. I'm just getting for my neuralink implant that a new season of love just got greenlit.

Tune in. It's going to be fun. That's all I'll say. And can we just take a moment to Marvel at the master improviser? In a normal plugged episode, he would have said, I'm just seeing on my iPad.

But we took away the iPad. So we've said, how do I, how do I still make this joke, Neurolink? Well, what's the, smooth? Smooth. Perfect. What about me? I've been hypervising over here. I talked about the Wuhan bat.

No one saw that coming. You're doing good. Yeah. Everyone's doing good work here. Day is how we feeling. I'm great. I'm so plugged in. Same here.

We got like four laptops in front of us right. We have four computers on this desk. My brain isn't working as well. This show's not going to last that much longer. I killed it in an audition today Mitch I feel good about this for you I hope it works out for you You know how arbitrary this is

That it doesn't necessarily And you might be jinxing it You know I'm riding on a high Give me the high Mitch I would love nothing more Than for you to be You'd make $8,000 for a TV guest For you to become so successful as an actor

Where you don't need to do the podcast anymore I would love that for you I don't know if how many of those It's going to happen No I don't mean for you I mean, just, like, in general, how many of those people exist? How many people, like, have, like, you know what? Acting is my sole source of income.

And how many of them are big and fat? There's one or two? There's a couple of them. No, yeah, yeah. Are they my main competition? Probably, yes. But, you know, there's a few. Actually, actually, and there's some that aren't even my main competition.

I will say, people I like. I do think that the, we've talked about this, that the funny fact guy type have kind of disappeared for a little while. Yeah. And now, and some people who've been on the show, it's kind of like coming back. It's back, baby. That guy's back. I like all the members of Fat House, everyone who's in Fat House. Which is always good when, because then it's like someone could write something for, you know, this kind of type.

And then they don't get that type. So then they look around and see who's around. How about we write a show for multiple fats? Get me, get me and Zach Sherry. and Gaboris and Starvros, Fat House, get a show for us, huh? Mr. Genius? Why don't you write a lot?

You have the background, you fat piece of shit. You know, when you pitch a show, it's kind of typical that you talk about. So this kind of comes from my own personal experience. I feel like I could be like, okay, the show's called Fat House. And, you know, the way I relate to it, and they'd be like, yeah, we get it.

You know what you do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this actually comes from, yeah, we got it. Look, I think you should write that show. It sounds great. But, you know, a discouraging year in many ways. I'm frustrated. What do you want from me?

We're all frustrated. It's interesting that you say this from a place of frustration. I think this is where you and I are kind of both at mentally of, we both have had a good amount of career success this year. I'm not talking about dough boys, though certainly celebrating the milestone of 10 years of the podcast and it being celebrated in a number of different fashions. We're getting us getting some nice write-ups, a big write-up, a big write-up, a big article in Vulture. Yep, we got that.

Rebecca Alter. That's true. Yes, yep. Yeah, thank you, Rebecca. So the, the best. A lot of good stuff has happened for his podcast wise, but also like, you know, me, me as a writer, have had like a lot of new things happening because I put in 5% effort instead of zero percent effort. And you've been like booking some, some really cool things. I knocked it out of the park today. The addition for something that will maybe someday be on Netflix because it's going to get

bought up. But I wonder what it was. I have a theory. Well, guess what? I got a Scrubs audition later tonight. How's that? There's some inside scrubs. That said, what you and I are finding, and it might just be a stage in life thing, it might be a mindset thing. It might be a, just a general sort of like on we is that career success is not necessarily a salve for the sort of existential angst that we are both faced.

And we were both dealing with stuff in our personal lives that are, in a lot of ways, overwhelming whatever we can achieve professional. Or maybe it's not enough career success. We went a little cuckoo. Me and logs went a little cuckoo. Okay, let's get into this. We went a little. This is a straight jacket. And I think I have to say now that I feel fully responsible.

or at least partially responsible for you guys both going cuckoo because I haven't been here It's true I've been gone for six months I guess this has not really been discussed On the podcast has it We've maybe mentioned that you were in New York You mentioned you were in New York

Maybe obliquely but yeah you were in the Big Apple I was in the Big Apple basically for six months Didn't text didn't keep in touch Came back and you guys had gone cuckoo It's true You are maybe a little bit of a grounding force for us You're a good form of gravity. Thank you.

Right. Gravity. But I was in New York. You were in New York. I felt bad that I know you guys were all going a little cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo. Ongo. Horny? Horny.

I mean, why not? I mean, why not? I mean, why not? I wish. You heard that whole thing about my meds made me not, horn. Fingering your wife, clearly. They're just sitting around They're watching the latest murder bullshit on Netflix.

How boring. Honey, come up and figure me in a minute. I can see how the Yogurtland murder is at. No, you don't. Netflix doesn't even have it. Love is a great show on Netflix, and I saw how bad they, Netflix was as a company back then, a bad company.

One of the worst, trying to destroy theaters because Ted Serendro's a big, fat, red-headed fucking piece of shit. Is he red-headed? Red-faced. I don't know fucking bald piece of shit I don't think of

he's not red hair He's not bald He's a piece of hair He's like a pretty full head of hair I saw my son watching Lawrence of a rabia on his phone

And I think that the future Is they're all gonna knock on the movie theaters You dumb fucking asshole That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard And your son is dumb too You piece of shit

You almost said Lawrence of a Labia He's horny That one Lawrence of Labia You can watch that one You gotta watch that one on your phone

You can watch that one on your phone Do you think I'll get in trouble for saying Ted Serendos' son sucks? I don't know. How old's his son? I don't know. He can see shit. Eight. All right. Then I'm going to, I'll walk it back a little bit.

No, he's not eight. I don't actually know what with you is, but I do think he's an adult. All right, good. You can eat shit. Go on. No, no, no. We're not, we're not looking out. We're not looking at up. We're not looking at up.

We're on blood. You can look it up for yourselves. The internet's not working right for me anyway. Oh, what? The internet's not working at head gum? Something's going wrong. Is this an unplug thing or is just the fact that headgum is falling apart? No, just headgum falling apart.

There's some sort of technical snafu at headgum, strange. This week, by the way, here at Headgum is, what is the name of it? It's co-working week, so people are forced to come into the office. We were here earlier. Well, it was previously just called working. It's a crypt right now. It's completely empty. The headgum work full.

does not like you. I see the silent stairs while I just get Mitch is just kind of a happy go lucky guy I didn't talk too much about the show the company on here but you're getting the stairs. Are you kidding me? I was out there like I was breaking bread. We were making merry. We're having a great

time. I was chopping it up with the working full. We're having a great talk earlier. I sent angry emails too but never met in person. Oh wow. I think if they didn't dislike anyone out there it might be me. I just help them put up the marquee in front. It was so much fun. Yeah. I was I was a charmer. I was out there.

I was using some charisma, which I have. I told them all, like, you owe your jobs to me. This place is built on the back of Wiger. Snake charmer,

because they're all snakes out there, I tell you. But anyway, there have been like, like, seriously, like 20 people

here at the same time, which is insane. It's never happens. It's like, the office is at capacity. I was worried about the office. Honestly, in general,

I didn't know if the office could take this many people being in here. And we were discussing if, It's a better situation for using the headgum echo toilet or a worse ones. Because I think, like, your instinct might be, well, it's worse because it's embarrassing. You're going to, two dozen people are going to hear you shitting your brains out.

But I think it's maybe a little bit better because there's going to be more conversation, more white noise, more, you know, chuffaw. Yeah, yeah. What do you max it out at? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. What are you going to say? White noise at a podcast studio, yeah. Pretty good

Pretty good I'm gonna say I do think you're right that like if it's just like two hunks sitting out there you're like I gotta use a bathroom and then you're just like making explosive shit noises

in the bathroom it is worse to have the like you know the hunks are hearing that you good bro oh Jesus Christ yeah what do you max I'll tell you that

when I get out of the bathroom look we're all sick of dummies at the corporate overlords at the top of the food chain deciding all this bullshit right i mean it probably applies to to everything i was talking about netflix to be clear yeah sure not headgum i love you guys still but uh but i'm just sick of it there's been some success but i'm just sick of it i'm sick of a i'm sick of the world it's like you are and i say this uh about you specifically Mitch but i think there's a common sense sentiment, but you are, you are an empathetic man, you are someone who is thinking about the health

of the industry at large, not just your own individual success. So that everything is viewed through the prism of it feels like less, fewer things are being made. It feels like there's a general sort of state of decay. And if we're looking at more media consolidation, we're looking at fewer buyers, which ultimately always in an Indian industry leads to fewer job opportunities. Yeah. And I hate Netflix. Yeah. Bad company, anti-union. It was funny to hear people be like, they're actually like, and it's like, Ted Serendro's met with Trump. What are you talking whatever. I shouldn't get into all this bullshit because no one cares. None of these people have any sort of mortal center. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. Anyways, what's up, Suss? What's up, Susser? You happy you took our phones away? I think it would have been a much better episode. I just would have been looking at stuff and subdued a little bit. I think this is great. I think this is going good. I think people are going to really respond to it. What did you most want to look up over the past? Like, what is your instinct? Where did your compulsive brain go towards? Yeah.

Is Ted Sarando Spalled? He's not He's not He's not He don't even do to Google it Yeah You know I would have Being searched

What's that Ted Sarandos rule 34 Can we look that up one No we can't I want to Amelia can though Right No no no

Can she just tell us if it's good She can't She can't say it We're unplugged Inund or anything What the fuck do you want from us. We did the 10-year thing. We did the 10-year thing. We hit, I think, most of the things that were on the list of things that we were going to do for the 10 years.

Pretty good celebration. We didn't go to Orlando. Orlando didn't happen. Yeah. Yes. And will it ever happen? Probably not. Actually, yes. It will. Yeah. We're doing a show in Orlando. The Do Boys are going to Orlando and Tampa. We'll be in Florida. I mean, it's not going to, well, maybe it'll be what we had in mind. Who knows? We're doing, we're doing Tampa. We're doing Tampa. too. Okay. Yeah. Well, great.

Tampa. I mean, Sam, we could do two things in Orlando and then, uh, whatever. We'll figure it out. But everything, almost everything else happened that you predicted. I know. And in fact, Orlando maybe would happen if you didn't run away to New York like a coward. Right. You were in New York City, the city that never sleeps.

Yeah. What were some of your favorite bites? Wow. Shoot. I can't look anything up. Well, I knew this was coming. So I wrote notes. Okay.

So, New York, great, great. Food City. I don't know if anyone's... I don't know if you've heard that. So I put some categories. So... I had a great meal with you there. We had a great meal. We went to Keen Steakhouse. Unfortunately, it was the day after you left, guys.

Also went to Peter Lugar's Steakhouse. So those are some great... I went to J.G. Mellon, which is like a classic New York burger spot. Oh, okay. That was a good one. Veselka, which is a Ukrainian restaurant. Wow. That is good, but it's kind of...

That's like a vibe, too. And apparently, like, if I would... was like a real, like, if I'd lived in New York, I would have, like, been there, like, drinking, you know, it's, like, has, like, a certain kind of thing. Then bagels, people may be interested in my thoughts on that. Hmm. Uh, so Apollo bagels. Because you're a deli boy, is that why? Apollo bagels is the new kind of, like, trendy New York bagel that is kind of, like, a version of, like, a New York bagel and Courage bagel.

So we have here in L.A., which courage can be very polarizing. Have you guys had Courage bagel? I have cards bagel. I like courage, but also I understand what people don't like. They're kind of like burnt and like a little crispier. And New York bagels, traditionally are a little fluffier. And this Apollo bagels I thought was kind of a little bit in between. And I did like it.

Some people in New York. No, I like that. Some people in New York is very polarizing because it's like a she-she hipstery kind of thing. It's like they only have three bagels. They only are like two sandwich options. And people are like, this is dumb. I did like it. My understanding is if crunch, where you stand, Wags.

Fluff versus Crunch, I think probably in the middle a little bit. I'm fluff more so. Wow, okay. I mean, a freshly baked bagel, but go on. No, no, no. I agree. Like, if you, this, my ideal, I don't like to toast. Like, if that bagels are a little bit warm and it doesn't have to go through the toaster, that's great.

But like, but like, I want, like, maybe a little touch of crunch to it, you know? A little bit of crunch. Yeah, I like a little bit of crunch. My understanding is Apollo bagel is if you get a bagel that's not very good, the Sandman sweeps it away. Maybe he shouldn't have his iPad It's pretty good That's pretty good What was the other one?

Courage bagel Courage bagel that's in LA And then I lived right by Barney Greengrass Which is like a classic Yeah you know who I heard Always wants one of those courage bagels The cowardly lion

The Wizard boss You should have said Coleman Domingo And then I'd have been like, huh? You know, from Wicked for Good, he's a cowardly lion. I had to look that up. Well, yep. This guy knocked it out of the park and then mine sucked shit. You just like you just bailed on it.

Amelia was nodding along with me as I was saying it. I liked it. I went into some New York chains that they don't have here, including Indy, which is kind of like an Indian, like Chapolet, which was kind of I like that that exists. I was wondering that would be Indiana Jones themed at first, but that's still fun. No, it is too. Oh. It's Indian

food. Alright, well, this is great. The best of both worlds. This belongs in a choosium. Which is kind of... Fuck you. It belongs in a choosium. It's good. Could be a t-shirt. Non, I hate

non. That just seems racist. Man, I do want to look something up Because I'm worried, I'm going to get it wrong Oh, no, no, let's go ahead. Mr. Unplug, let's hear it. Samosas? Yes.

That's just, why I don't have to, I hate samoses. It's my joke. What is an ass? They're still punch up, though. No, it's not. Nond, I hate non. I guess it is. Maybe it is. I mean, it's equally as bad.

So you ate, unsurprisingly, you ate a lot of food in New York. Yes. I'm prepared to talk a lot more about it. But also pizza, went on a pizza tour. Scott's pizza tour with my friend Amy Rothberger is a pizza tour guy. Okay. What did you hit up? We did Mamas 2, Linder Street.

I had Mons of Bleaker Street. I had Johns of Bleaker. And then separately I went to, well I went to a bunch of pizza but no worthy ones Salon Carmines and DeFarra's pizza. I had DeFarra's as well. You just went to DeFarra's and not far from where your father

grew up. Yes, right where he grew up in Midwood. Wow. How about that? Yeah. So It's been a Susser history. Yes. And I liked them all. Yeah. I like the I like the good pizza. What do you, like what is your ideal

slice. Wow. Great question. Midwood. I think that for me I like it to I mean the ingredient not too sweet on the sauce.

I like real like feel what do you have for midwood? I don't know. That was kind of what I was thinking. Like a like a four incher. It's like midwood. That's what I was thinking. How many times I've heard a lady say I have

midwood. That's what was in my head. on with your pizza story. Man, I really did wish I had my phone because I was going to say, should I text my dad, but I'd ask him if you ever got that? But I can't.

Do we have a landline that I can call them on? I would have to guess that Kedgum does not have a landline up front. They have phones that look like landlines, but I don't think, oh, you know, I wonder if the phone connected to the gate is an actual landline.

Yeah, can you get an outside line? We have an outlet with a fly in it, I believe. I don't know if... Yeah, you could ask the fly if it could, like, you know, like carry your pigeon style, carry a message to your dad. Yeah, I don't know if there's any...

How do you think it takes a fly to get to New York. Yeah. Probably a day or so. Probably if you're a fast fly, I'm sure you get there pretty quickly. Does your dad watch the podcast or no? Does you listen? I don't think so. How fast does a fly fly? That is a good question.

That's a thing I'd look up. Yeah, that is not... Does do flies migrate, like birds? I heard that I think butterflies migrate. Great, which seemed insane to me. I actually know this because my parents' house in Maine is in the path that they like to go. And I watch a documentary about it. The monarch butterflies go from like some place in South America all the way up to Canada.

And there's a part of the year in South America where all monarch butterflies all go to this place. And it takes them three generations to get back. Wow. And they all just know where to go. Wow. And it's crazy. And if you're there at the time, the trees are just covered in butterflies. Can I say nasty as hell?

It's got to be an interesting place. It's got to be gross. And also there must be like an older, you know, that's interesting. an older butterfly communicating to the younger ones like this is where you got i'm not going to make it it's just like generationally built into them and there's there's like a cycle of generations where like three generations have shorter lives and then there's one generation that's like built that's like stronger that can make the whole flight back wow so like three generations or something like that to get north and then one generation goes back there's strong butterflies that's cool it's a

documentary called flight of the butterfly or something like that it might be narrated by david Battenborough great documentary Wow you knew a lot about that and she didn't have to look any of it up I knew that in my brain how about that you know what I like about the unplugged episodes us it shows that even when we're off our phones the show sucks shit there's going to be no tweets or no comments on the Reddit that this is the this is the best episode of the year no it's not it's not the best episode of the year well that actually brings me to something that I had thought about I know this

year, the podcast was introduced to guest, Stavros, who I heard is calling himself Rookie of the Year. He's lobbying for this. Okay, Rookie of the Year, we're thinking of Star-Ros. Last episode of the year, do we want to give any awards? Wow. Any superlatives. I mean, I'm okay with giving stuff, I think much deserved.

I think Stavros getting the Oki Rookie of the Year. Two main feed episodes, both good apps this year, a lot of fun. Biggest OMG moment of the year. What the fuck is this? Biggest OMG moment of the year. The biggest oh my God moment of this year. Can I remember anything that happened on the show in the past 12 months?

We started in January. Yeah, okay, yeah, that sounds right. With Little Seizers 3 with Jono. Then we had Big Mama's and Poppahs Pizzeria with Zach Cherry. Crispy Cream Pop-Tarts with Jess McKenna handles with a knees unsorry. Yes. So you wrote down all this. the episodes of the year. Then we went to February, where we had KS.C. C.S.C. Bowles with

Carmen, Chuckie Cheath two with Griffin Newman, Chick-fil-A-3 with John Hodgman, Mrs. Fields with Matt Singer. I would say my OMG moment is probably how bad. Then we went to March. How bad Chuckie-C-C-Ches smelled. Chequette-Chi-C-Ches smelled like diapers. Us wants to keep listing episodes. These all, also, you could have told me these episodes were three years ago, and I would have believed you. I won 100%. A positive, positive OMG moment after the Handles episode. we got free handles. That's pretty true.

That was a great OMG moment. I got free handles too. Unfortunately, A Niez did not get free handles. We gave your free handle. The free handles for knees went to you,

Suss. Yes, it's true. Yes. And my daughter was thrilled about getting free handles. We didn't discuss letting her have any, but that's fine. Which I thought it was a funny thing

that a kid, she's like, this is free. It's like, all your food is free. But she loved the fact that she got some free ice cream. Yeah, that's cute. Oh, the fires were OMG as well. The what?

The fires. Oh, boy. That was January of this year. That's not fun. That's an OMG moment. Well, I mean, I did say, oh, my God, we're going to die. That's not, that's not the, I think an Ong moment is maybe, for instance, the choir coming out at the Boston show. Oh, sure.

That was cool. That was an OMG moment. That still gives me goosebumps. Yes. That's great. It was a great moment. Reaching 10 years of. doughboys was kind of its own

OMG moment. I mean, that also was surprising. God. Hotest kiss. What? On the podcast? I took me from the podcast.

Were there any kisses this year? Did anyone give anyone a smooch? Should I refresh on some episodes that happened this year? So then March we had the tournament of champions, which was,

we started off with Wendy's versus. I like that Susser. You've done the podcast many times and you're speaking into this handle of the mic. With Lauren Lapkis and Arden Marin. Then we had In-N-Out with Manzoukis and Paul Shear.

Then we had Wendy's versus Taco about Carlin Lamar. And then the final was Wendy's versus In-N-Out with Gabris and Betsy. Did any of those people kiss? No, but you know what's crazy? I think the best kiss is going to happen on the last episode right here. Okay. Wow. Mitch just leaned over and gave a very gentle kiss to Jemmy.

How adorable. She had no reaction. She liked it. We think Jemmy had a bad dream last night because she was very excited to see us this morning when she came in and she was like squeaking and crying and talking to us when we were saying in the morning and she's been very like obsessed with Mike specifically today

and like snuggily. And so I think she had a bad dream. So I think she probably really appreciated a little extra love today. Oh my God. I can only imagine. Bones were dogs and dogs were bones or something. I don't know. Who knows what she's dreaming about? More like the Twilight Bone.

Yeah. Yeah, it is more like the Twilight Bone. That's really good. Keep them kisses coming. Jimmy. You horny Southern Bell? You think Jimmy would choose if we had a little bit of a bachelor, a bachelor-a-thing going on with me versus you.

Who do you think Jimmy would choose? First off, I am taken. So, like, I'm not going to enter this Bachelor competition to potentially romance Emma's dog. That's true. But I, so I think. If you're both sitting on a couch, where does she go? Yeah, you might win that competition for sure. You'd win that because she's used to you.

She's more comfortable around me. And also, I'm single. She treats me like a teenager. Midwood. I'm not midwood after the kiss. Everything is the same. Everything is very much to say. What are the categories you got, Suss?

You did so much writing. But I think a lot of it maybe is just Doe Boys' Dates that you wrote down. bite of the year bite of the year this is a great question now I may need a refresher on some more episodes

no problem I was gonna say I think your bite of the year might have been off pod I think it might have been Hogg Island

I love we had a fantastic meal at Hogg Island hamburger America but I think I think we had a limit this to on Hogg Island

what a surprise we got to limit this to I think chomp episodes for the main lines okay God should I maybe to be a little

quicker not say who the guest was and just say some of the restaurants Yes, of course. Okay, Cafe Gratitude, Dickie's Barbecue, Subway, Five, Wendy's four, Popeye's six, Jesus Christ, a podcast, and he's 10. Panera three. I've been saying. Pratt's a Gilded Cage. Manger.

Planet Hollywood, Randy's Donuts, Burger King's 7, Chili's 7, Panda Express 4, Taco Bell 9, Pizza Hut, 4, Little Caesars 4, Pop Papa John's.

Papa John's. I skipped over Carl's Jr. Friend of Major, I can see as you, Papa John's is giving you pause here. Or am I writing. Jenny's Splendid Ice Cream, then Salt and Straw. Oh, right, because we, Twisted Monthel, we did all ice cream. All ice cream. McDonald's Ice Cream, Phil's Coffee, Alfred Coffee, the Luca's Italian Deli.

Wait, we did something in like the last two weeks that were, I mean, first of all, we did Daikakuya. Yeah, that was great during, during soup month. But also, didn't we just go somewhere great in the last three weeks? October. Plant, Pac. Power fast, silver lake ramen, lapangotien, the original soup kitchen, that cuckooia, Danny's four, Jimmy John's three, Costco three, toothum chocolate emporium. Well, definitely wasn't toothsome chocolate emporium. That might be, I feel like a winner.

Yeah, that was real planet Hollywood. Well, no, the barbecue place was very, very bad. Dickies was also very, very bad. That was execrable. Boy, some real, some real garbage we shoveled. into our mouths this year. Are there episodes that haven't come out yet? Oh, he was Costco that you really... Oh, we did have a great experience at Costco. We just, it was something we recorded

in the last few weeks that we love. I think if we're limited to mainline episodes any, we had a great time at Sizzler. Oh, we had a good time at Sizzler. Yeah, hasn't come out yet. It hasn't come out. Not of the no, it's come out. It'll have been out.

It'll have been out. What the hell? You know what I'm talking about. Amelia knows... How do you keep track of any of this? Well, there's a, we're talking about one episode that's coming out in 2026. So it's possible it's that one. Legal seafood was pretty good.

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No, what are the Words? Yeah, one of the, one of the things in the yearbook? Superlatives. Oh, superlatives. Do you have any superlatives? Biggest L-O-L. All right.

N-A. Not applicable. Okay. More bacon. In 2015, we susser your first appearance of the podcast, which I believe was like episode 18. It was very early on. You are the guest for Steak and Shake. This is a chain that is beloved to you because of your Midwest connections.

This is a place that was founded in normal Illinois back in 1934 and was a Midwest regional chain for decades. In 2008, it got acquired, I believe that's the year. It got acquired by Sardar Bigglari, who is this Trump-like friend. figure a huge piece of shit huge piece of shit um and ruined maxim for he also owns maxim magazine i think he has stakes in ferrari he's been trying to get to acquire uh cracker barrel you know you cover that in the intro i'm not sure if i got into the cracker barrel stuff much we should talk about that because that's not that that is a thing that we that we can touch on but like the uh basically he he expanded the chain

nationally and globally and as part of that there was there were new outlets in southern in California, including one in Burbank, which we reviewed later, but the one we originally viewed was in Santa Monica. We went down to the Santa Monica Promenade Outdoor Shopping Center. We ate there, and, Susser, I remember eating there with you in person. We did this 10 years ago. Eating there with you in person and you being shocked. Your jaw dropping at what we would have was.

Because it was not the steak and shake that I knew. No. It was a steak and shake by Big Lari. And it was this like slimmed down version of the menu, which slimmed down. I heard that. I was already furious. but it didn't have all the offerings it was not as good I didn't like it it didn't feel special in any way it felt just like a crappy can I also say you did eat your you finished your entire meal sure but you know that was because I was taking the podcast so seriously yeah yes it's true only that reason um so I was so disappointed and then we looked into this that so we learned about Big Laurie we learned about this whole situation and we said okay there are some there is an original steak and shake in Victorville

we're going to drive out it was a super windy day it was like something out of the movie Twister or Twisters These days you could say Twisters You could say Twisters Yeah Well I can't believe we recorded this in a pre-Twisters reality

That's right that's true Unimaginable Now that now Now what a world we live with Now you can choose Twister or Twisters You can choose either one World Joyster Back then when you heard Glenn Powell

You thought it was Go on Go on I had it Oh you thought it was Colin Powell's son Pretty good Unfortunately it was pretty good But anyway

It was a pre-twister's world Yeah pre-twister's world And we went to that stick and shake And we liked it It wasn't I Because look I wanted it to be part of the story

that we went and we're like, it was great, but I think we kind of, it was a little inflated by being like, it was very windy that day. It was very windy. It was like a scene of the movie Twister, but we had, but we didn't give it five forks all around, I will say. And we liked it. We liked. We had a great time.

Then, and that was like, just, just to clarify, Victorville, California is, you know, like 90 plus minutes outside of L.A. So we did it. We did a big road trip to get there. And it was, as opposed to the streamlined kiosk airport version of, you know, steak and shake that's at the Santa Monica Promenade and also was at Burbank, California. The Victorville location was a full-fledged steak and shake with a full-fledged menu. I believe they had table service at the time.

It was beautiful. It was the steak and shake experience that you remembered in a lot of ways. Yes. Not, I would say 100% the experience, but it was pretty damn close. I think to get the true experience, we would have had to go to the Midwest to St. Louis. Right. And maybe even through a time machine. Wow.

But it was, but it was good. then they opened another steak and shaken Burbank and so for the following year I believe we went to the steak and Burbank and that one sucked that was bad

it was bad and then it's just never we went to the corpse of each we did a very bad live show last year now I'm remembering where we went to the pizza place was that last year that was last year

show was pretty rough yeah it was a rough show I don't do well in the live show no you did a good job you did a good job Your presentation was great The issue was we front-loaded it with bits And then when we actually got to the show We were like, oh wait, this show is boring

That is true And also didn't really come out as a gator She did, but that was like that was a sort of thing We could have used that like We could have used that like halfway through the show To boost the energy back up here I don't mean to push back But I don't think if you moved the gator bit

To later it would have been a knockout show I think the problem was giving the audience Hot dogs and chocolate chunk cookies and taking away their ability to laugh. That was a little bit of an issue, yeah, they were eating. This was an issue. This was, and I think there was, I don't know how many people choked on hot dogs, like in Field of Dreams, but there was a, it was very dangerous. When we're up on stage, it's dangerous to give people food.

It's dangerous to give people food when we're up on stage. Wait, you were so, but we had a pretty good, let me be frank, I believe, at that show. Oh, did. That was good. Okay, yeah. That was fun. We got them back. What was it?

It was popular, I think. Yeah, we did a wicked thing. Oh, right. And we did the. song from the Muppet Christmas Carol, yeah. That's right, yeah. But you know what? I think that show, the reaction to it was like, too many bells and whistles.

Mm. Unplugged. Unplugged. And now we're stripping it all back. We should have done a live show again. Or we should done a live, whatever. We didn't have live shit next year. Yeah.

It's going to be a fucking nightmare. But anyway, then the pandemic happened and we shifted. Oh, yes. In, it's, you know, this is nonlinear story telling. We're going back, yes. And we shifted to being like, all right, we're done with steak and shake. Big Laurie proceeds to be more of a bad guy and we don't we're not interested in giving them any we're not interested in platforming steak and shake anymore right yeah and we think

we're done with steak and shake but unfortunately we had to go back steak and shake was not done with us wow we had to go back because why we could have just we went out for a steak dinner it was really nice so we had a nice we did that one year yeah that wasn't good enough I mean, there's something that just felt like it had to be done of returning to steak and shake. Sure. And especially with all of the stuff, which is crazy, and this kind of feeling of the world is too small and two things seem too connected in a weird way, that steak and shake has really been at the foreground of the, like, Trump culture war issues. For sure. They have, they've really embraced the Maha movement, the Make America Healthy.

Again, RFK, they introduced beef tallow fries, feed oils. They had, I believe, a press conference with RFK at a steak and shake. They had a promotion at some point where if you, like, brought your Tesla, if you drove a Tesla, you got like some. Yeah, that sucks maybe the most of all. Everything is, everything about is annoying. They introduced a Bitcoin burger. That's right. pay in Bitcoin, all really...

Which we did on this video. Which we did. It was nice. Really, uh, pandering to, uh, this, like, kind of maga, maga movement. Yes. Um, specifically the maha, like, by way of maha. Well, but no, also like the Bitcoin and the, uh, in the Tesla and all of that kind of stuff, like really embracing that.

And then, yes, with the, uh, cracker barrel, that became a culture flashpoint because they changed the logo and... Big Laurie, you taught me all this. Yeah, I'm a little worried now that we're going to get in trouble, but... Why? Well, I don't actually know all the facts exactly. Basically, and I don't have my notes in front of me, but basically there was a... You put them in the fucking bag.

You think we've been going for 20 minutes or 70 minutes? If you told me we've been going for seven minutes, I would be like, yeah, it's not surprising. I'm guessing 45. Anybody else my guess? I'll guess 47. 28. Is this price as rate rules? moving over for 53.

Wow. Okay, pretty good. All right. Almost trying to wrap it up. So there was a, you know, the Cracker Barrel changed its logo and then there was a semi-astro-Turfed.

Lands with a thud at the end of the air. There was a semi-astro-Turf campaign against the Cracker Barrel change, but that was spearheaded by Steak and Shake by Bigglari because of Bigglari's failed attempts to take over Cracker Barrel in previous years.

He got the last episode. You can have anyone in here. It's kind of amazing the way he established this because on the first episode, you were on, steak and shake, steak and shake one where we went to the one in Santa Monica. You called your shot and said, I'm coming back and we're going to go to the Victorville location. So you became the first repeat guest on the podcast and we had you back that very same year. And it was for the end of the year, I guess. The original rookie of the year.

The original rookie of the year. Wow. And then we're the original oaky rookie of the year. That is, I mean, we can't go back. can designate workies of the year. But then we, and then we mostly...

I guess we could. And then we mostly maintain that tradition, not every single year, sometimes our availability issues, but for the most part, we've been doing steak and shake, blank with Susser at year.

In that first year, we had Paul Russ, John Gabris, Fran, Nicole Byer. Yeah. Suss declares himself to give the year. All right, fair enough,

you want it. He won it. Fair and square. But, look, You've won this last year spot. I think you deserve this end of the year. The end of the year slot.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. We thought for 10 years it was worth it to go back to steak and shake. We've got to go back. We've got to go back. We went to the steak and shake in Victorville again. Don't be, look, we know it's bad. We know it's bad.

All these places are bad. All these places are bad. We know it's bad. There aren't any that are good. We thought we needed to go back and see what a shit hole this place is. We were like, this is going to be great. We're going to fucking shit on. We're going to dunk on this place.

Yeah. Can't wait to give Biglari a piece of our mind. Right? I mean, that's what you're saying. That was the idea that we said, look, we can't change all of the bad things that are happening in the world. Yes. Our, but what we do have is a very little bit of influence. A specific set of skills.

When it comes to chain restaurant reviews, we can maybe move the needle. We can go to this place. and tell everyone it sucks. Yes. Unfortunately. Yeah. It was really good. We regret to report you that we had to you that we had a great time at the steak and shake in Victorville.

The food was very good. In fact, we were more bummed out driving there and then when we got there, the food made us happy. Yes. They were complete opposite of what I thought was going to happen. Yeah. There was tallow, beef tallow containers on the shelves. It's so fun. Look, here's the thing.

It's so. fucking annoying. There's a poster of a trad wife with like the, with like the text you had me at tallow. Like it's like there's Bitcoin signage. I wish, if I had one wish I would have wished for her to come to life and be my bride.

Yeah, and bear me many children. Yes. And but then the to take care of domestic chores. But then the like like like then on wife me, change my diaper. But the, but like then there's like Bitcoin logos all over the place. There's

sucks. There's there's there there's the beef tallow fry inserts on every table like like there. And it also features like a like American flags and shit. Like they're really like leaning into it. I said this too and I meant it sincerely that it reminded me of when you and I went to the Scientology brunch together. It felt that weird and that I felt that uncomfortable the entire time I was in. Should we get? This is an indoctrination center. Yes. There's there was a claw machine with like stuffed animals that I felt bad for just being stuck in there. Right. Yes. You did feel. like you felt bad for the Mario stuffed animal that was in there? Yes, I mean, it just felt like a weird, it felt like... Which was a little insane. Was it a cat Mario? It was Cappy. No, no, no, they were both. They were both in there. I'll tell you, wasn't wearing Cappy in there. The cowboys

who were wearing cowboy gear. That's right. There was a family of cowboys. There was a family of cowboys. But this was the other thing. That was later. That was later. Should we get into the food first or the experience, like the vibe? So we drive over there. It's a bit of a hall. Mitch is kind enough to drive. We carpool over there.

We have some fun goss in the ride over, some industry talk. I talk a little bit about New York. Yeah. We talk a little bit about industry talk. Some like grousing. Yes, yes, yes. And then we get there, we park, and there are not a lot of cars in the parking lot. Victorville, California, we should say, is basically a, I'm sure there's more industry going on there, but it feels like a truck stop town.

Like every chain restaurant is localized within the city limits of Victorville. The Tri-City Motel across the street seems very much like a truck. hotel. Right. And there's this huge gas stations and stuff. I think we should stay at next year. I think we should go and spend the night in Victorville. So we go inside the steak and shake location and there, I believe there's one other party that's dining. Yeah. And we're just off this hot goss. We're just off this hot goss. And we go and we're like, we're going to place a big order and it's going to suck. We're going to feel sick. They're like, that's fine. They have they do have paper menus or I'm sorry, they do have like actual proper menus, but they do not have table service. You take the menu, you look off of it, and then you order at the counter. But they will bring you out your food afterwards. And I will say this. They brought us a lot of food and they were so nice about everything. The staff was great. And I also did question, I did bring up. I was like, I brought up the elephant in the room to the, to the woman who was serving us, who was great. Yeah. Because remember, I'd said to her, I was like, do a lot of people

come in here and like order this stuff? And like, uh, well, I was like, to be clear, I, we don't like this. I had to tell her this. We should, yeah, we would back it up a step. So we look at the menu and a big thing that kind of push this over the edge where we have to do this is that they have this dumb Bitcoin burger. Yes. And we're like, well, we should try this Bitcoin. We should try this fucking burger with a Bitcoin logo branded on the bun.

Do you have to use Bitcoin to buy it? No, you can use Bitcoin. No, they will take any, they will take any current. We get there, we look at the menu, the Bitcoin burger is not on the menu. Yeah, it's true. So then it becomes even worse that we're going to have to ask do you guys have the bitcoin burger and i designated myself as the most maga-looking man amongst us to ask that question Mitch took the bullet so Mitch asked for the bitcoin burger they do have it that she showed like the whole thing of buns uh the bitcoin buns there was a whole bag of bitcoin buns for some reason

it seems to be the only burger that you can get like vegetables on like a tomato in again so we order we get the bitcoin burger we also get the double steak garlic burger the butter steak burger a chili five ways which is basically chili beans spaghetti onion some other stuff

chicken fingers meaty onion rings a chili steak frank and a bunch of tallow fries wider than a sprite Mitch got a cherry coke which was actually a Coke worth like cherry syrup put it

yeah yeah I was like can you make a cherry coke and she's like I can make you one I felt bad but it we used to The last time we went there, I got a cherry Coke because it was more of a diner. No, but it's good. They still have it. She was correct. Can't say.

And the Diet Coke. And then later, we ate all of that food and we got three milkshakes. We got the Oreo and Eminem shake, the Oreo Mint Shake, and the Cotton Candy Shake. So for me, the moment I knew that we might be in trouble is when I tried the fries. And I was like, these are good. Yeah. It's a bummer. I don't like that this happened

I don't like it It sucks The beef tallow fries tasted really good The beef tallow fries tasted good It was sad And look Maybe maybe beef tallow It shouldn't be a political issue

If beef tallow should not be politicized It's fat It's beef fat It shouldn't be politicized But it was good What do you want me to say The fries and cooked in beef tallow were fucking good They were annoyingly very tasty

Well fried as well Good texture to them Good friar work there freshly made. The fryer, and again, this is where I was wondering, I was like, oh, maybe also because they've been advertising this, they also like worked on, like, their frying equipment because everything was fried. Like the

the chicken tenders were like fried fantastic. Great fried. Yeah, so then that's what I had. The chicken tenders were good. I was like, oh, my God. The chicken tenders, I was like, maybe my first bite was the chicken tender. And I was like, oh, fuck, this is good. They, the worker there also brought us every, like, do you guys want sauces?

And I'm like, sure, she's like, I'll bring you every sauce. Every sauce. Every single sauce. they were great it's bad it's bad it sucks we're not happy about it we're not happy about it but yeah the tendi was really good then the double stick crisp and hot the garlic burger really you know we were sharing everything it was a really intense taste of garlic but honestly like something that i haven't had like i feel like every fast food place you're like yeah you got this thing it all tastes the same i don't know if there's another chain restaurants that's doing like that heavy garlic of a burger it was very garlicky and it was very garlicky and it

it was very garlicky. I don't know if I would like having that as my whole burger, but as like a little appetizer burger, I had a quarter of that burger, I was like, pretty happy with it. Oh, yeah. The sinners crew ain't walking in there. You're saying you ate, one quarter portion.

I did. And yeah, the sinners crew ain't walking in there. Is it walking in there? Jesus Christ. Bomb after bomb. They're like, It's the last fucking episode of the fucking year.

Last episode ever. We're just done. Let's wrap it up. The podcast is over. When you say the center is true, you mean like in the main part of the movie or at the end, like the cool like 80s guys? I like the cool 80s guys. Either one. The cool 80s guys are walking in and they're like, nope.

Uh, well, here's the other thing that is, is wild about it. A very diverse group of people in the restaurant. So, that's the other thing, too. so a first like a cowboy hat family comes in this is what we're talking about these mega freaks and then as they're there more like oh there's like a Hispanic family over there

and it just becomes like a very diverse like this is America yeah I think partly as a truck stop town it's just like whoever's passing through on the highway of life you know Not the Donald Glover dystopian this is America this is America there's a lot of good there's a good mix of people

in here. Coastal elites? We were there. We were there. We were representing. We were the bad guys. We were the bad guys in the restaurant. And everyone just enjoying it. And then the other thing. There was hand sanitizer too. There was hand sanitizer. You were surprised by it. As you can see, this is a pretty big order. Very reasonable.

Price lies. I was amazed by how how like a cost efficient it was for the quantity of food we ordered. I expect this to be at least $100. And it was, I didn't write it down. That's on me. I think it was about $64 and not a very generous tip from the door boys. But it was...

But yeah, it was... A well-deserved. They were great. They were great. The staff was great. And it was so it kind of gave us, I think, maybe a little bit of pause. Yeah, no shit. Yeah. It sucked.

But I don't know. So how are you thinking about it a few days later? Well, let me say this. The B-Frank. So we had the That was a chili cheese, Frank, she asked me if I wanted it like with chili and cheese. I said, yeah, why not? But then I was like, oh, that was a little bit of a miscalculation. I wish I could have gotten the Frank on its own in isolation so I could have tasted it because we already had a big mob of a big glob of a big glob of chili and cheese on the chili five way.

Which, by the way, the chili five way, maybe one of my favorite bites of the night. Chili Fiveway was great, really yummy chili, cheesy, cheesy, onion-y. And again, this is why I originally 10 years ago why I wanted to do steak and shake, that chili five way, is something that is just unique to steak and shake. It's not something that you can get at many other chain restaurants. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like, you know, that's the Cincinnati, you know, chili outlets. They'll have versions of it there. But specifically like steak and shake, they've got a bigger footprint.

And it's really good. It's a really yummy dish. And I also, I like the frank. I thought it was quite good. And then the burgers that I had, I mean, we had the, the double steak burger and. The butter steak. I just got out there just saying right now. The best burger was the Bitcoin burger.

Sadly, the Bitcoin burger was the best one. The Bitcoin burger was the best one? It sucks. It's really bad. The vegetables were very fresh. It had a real like crisp on the burger. I don't know what that is. This is your fault in some way, I feel like.

I feel like you are to blame for this. We're directing this to me or Susser. I don't know. Maybe both of you. I don't know. I just drove. This whole thing is my fault. It's not your.

No, the whole podcast is my fault. I mean, I just like, you. You know, whatever. Hey, I agreed to do it. It was good. It was good. By the way, halfway through Sus got the Rumblies. Yeah.

He said, there's an issue. The men's bathroom door is locked. Right. Can you stand in front of the woman's bathroom as I used the bathroom? And I said, yeah, sure. So I go and stand in front of, which, by the way, Maga's worst nightmare. a man using the bathroom not a man, a Jewish man in the bathroom

in the women's room We made the steak and shake bathroom in Victorville, California You don't want that to be known? Gender neutral. That's right, well I said that we made the, it was a great point that we made

the steak and shake bathroom gender neutral Right, so then we're expecting Oh, these MAGA guys are going to have, they're going to be up in arms about it. They were fine. I don't know, but everyone, They just saw me standing in front of the woman's room. I think they were probably more like, what's that guy doing?

And then later on, at the end of that, I went to the men's bathroom door, and Suss forgot to do one thing, which was pull the door open. Yes. It was not, the handle was locked. No, it was not. It was one of those handles. I understand your confusion, because it was one of those handles that looked like it turned, but it didn't actually turn.

You had to pull it. You had to pull it open, you dumbass. It was up. It was fine. If you used a little bit of force, you could have yank. that bad boy open. And then I think you went in there and did shit number two anyways.

Shit number one. It didn't work the first time. Okay, that's right, yes. Tooth dressed out. That's a bad feeling. Yeah, when it doesn't work. Your body's just not cooperating. Yeah.

But look, every every burger was good. All the burgers were good. It sucks. The attendees were good. The fries were very good. I guess if I was going to point it, there wasn't an item that wasn't really good.

I guess it was going to point at a weak point among the savory side. would be the onion rings, which I think were a little bit under seasoned. I still thought they were pretty good. They were good. I assume they were fried in the beef tallow as well, but I preferred the fries. And for like a premium side, you want them to be like to stand out a little bit. I think they maybe had like a wrong ratio of breading to onion. I don't know. I think the ratio is good to be honest. They were good. They were good. They weren't all, they weren't as crispy as they could have been. But that's really, I think, the most I could say. For me, the chili Frank would be my low point

but that's also probably speaks to that I don't like chili dogs probably why it didn't work out with Sonic but it's true he's back so every joke that we wrote down on our phones we can't read but every the Sonic joke you clearly wrote down

in your book did you pre-rate the Sonic joke no there was a Sonic the Hedgehog fan art Also, I didn't believe for a second that you don't like chili dogs. I actually don't like chili dogs. You know what? I'm kind of with you. Wags is more than chili dog.

I like chili dogs, but I like a regular hot dog too. I like a regular hot dog more than chili dog. There's so many hot dog varietals that I'm into. The, I think the Unga Pachka, as you would say, Wags. I think the Lungapachka maybe was that garlic burger. I think it just maybe had a little bit too much going on. But I still liked it. It was still a good burger.

Yeah, I liked it. The butterburger also good. Butterburger was good. The thing I liked was, or the thing I was going to reference is there is a fan art of Sonic the hedgehog and tails that I saw years ago and I really liked I think it saved it on my phone but it's

it's tails and jeans shorts and Sonic's looking at him lustfully and it says Sonic found the only thing hotter than chili dogs guess tails his ass in those jorts I think you said this in the group

I remember this I remember this How have you guys never made any sort of employee complaints about this podcast? Do you think I want to go to a regular job? That's all right. That's fair. I'm not getting rid of from kissing Jimmy. She loves it.

Yeah, I think you did send that to the text. Yeah. There was another one I wanted to send because I was like, when we did our illegal seafood meal, we had a bunch of different, like, I had a bunch of photos that were flagged for that meal. and they were all like just like either either us eating there or like the you know the seafood tower whatever but there was one additional photo

and I was like why is this associated with this event and it was a giff of Wolverine dropping a towel and then his big pendulous hogs swooed back and forth I think we looked at the meal I think we looked at that at the meal

I think that's what it was but then it was like I remember seeing this too did I send this I probably send it in person I don't think I'd send it to the group chat I really, we maybe looked this up at the meal, and that's why it's saving your photo album with the same event. Or it was uploaded to our shared album or something like that. Oh, could be, yeah.

Wags, if I was Lev Ginsburg, I'd tell you to stop talking right now. The shared doughboys album is a gold line. Here's, okay, look, all the food was... Are we ordering McDonald's, by the way? I don't think we're getting McDonald's. But you do get Wags' arch card, and also I want my arch card before I leave from the year. We will say that we were going to try to get the Grinch meals. but unfortunately all the McDonald's in our area

are sold out of the Grinch meals. We're sorry. We're sorry. We're sorry McDonald's. We're sorry McDonald's. What do you want from us? We owe you an apology. We're defeated.

They can shake beat us? I don't know what to do. We got defeated. Also, can you get those arch cars? I really want to make sure I get it before I go. I actually don't know where they are. Wags put them away. I think they're in the drawer.

Oh, okay. We should talk about the shakes. No, that's fine. I can get it on the way out. He does. He does want you to. I mean, I do, but no, no, no, no. You don't have to get them right now.

No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going to stay. Here's, here's the thing that this is, this is the nail in the coffin of this whole thing. Yeah. I got an Oreo and M&M shake that was like one of my favorite shakes I've had this year. It was so fucking good. That shake was really yummy. And I was like, that was getting, another one of it was, I was like, this is going to be Ungapachka. Oreos and M&Ms, we've got too much going on.

No. No, it was a great textural variety. The, the, the two types of chocolate worked really well together. We ordered a shake that we thought would be bad. Yes, we got the, Cotton candy shake is like, all right, this is a limited, there's an LTO, we got to try this fucking thing. I'm going to hate it. I have it.

I take a sip of it. It's like, that's pretty good, honestly. It was pretty good. Like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the artificiality of it was pretty muted. It was like, just kind of like a, I don't know how to describe the flavor. Just kind of like a pleasing blue flavor. I mean, it's maybe made without high food gross corks. Well, right.

Well, it's another one where they're ever done. With real milk, the milkshakes. Yeah, it's good. And does make a difference. It's good. And then the orange. The Oreo mint one, I would say, was, I mean, it was better than the cotton candy one, which was more of a gimmick, but the, but the Oreo mint one was, was like, I didn't. I really had his mind set on this one.

I had my mind set on mint. You wanted a mint dessert. It was a little too winter greeny for me. I kind of agree with that, but also, like, it was interesting. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. I wish they had a mint chip one as opposed to Oreo Mint, as your only mint option. But it was good.

We're sorry. Everything was good. We're sorry. We're sorry. Our idea was to shit on the whole thing. Yeah. And instead, it's probably in the platform. But here's the thing.

Maybe, like, can, with everything going on in the world, maybe we can say, okay, this is how the MAGA movement can own the libs is by making their chain restaurants more annoying, but also better tasting. Yeah. And we can just kind of like concede victory on that. and that, I mean, can see defeat on that. And then maybe, you know, people can stop being disappeared in major cities. Like maybe like, maybe that I would take that trade off in an instant for sure. Culture war things we can like not worry about like, oh, that's a bad restaurant to go to. Sure.

Because they're like a bad person or they're doing annoying things. Yes. Maybe we can say like, hey, you know what? It's okay if you're kind of annoying. And then in return, don't do these horrible things. The culture war stuff is already... Because also I like to go into the restaurant and I want to figure out a way that it's okay to keep going to restaurants like this. I mean, this is really kind of the only one that has a Bitcoin burger and is very bad.

Right. I mean, Chick-fil-A is also bad. They're all bad, of course. They're all bad. Yes, they're all bad. I don't even know if Chick-fil-A is notably bad. I mean, obviously, their anti-queer stuff is horrible. But, like, like, as a company to work for, I mean, like, I understand the workers are pretty sad.

satisfied. They're pretty well compensated. It's certainly like a great customer experience. And I think their product is pretty good. But I also just say like all these CEOs are fucking pieces of shit. They're all people who are just going to, you know, again, people trying to be like, Ted Sarandos is much better than Ellis is. They're all fucking bad. They're all bad. They're all bad. They're suck. There's no, there's, you know, it's a systemic issue. Yeah, you could make the case of all of that is true, but they really rub your face in it at stake in shape. And it's fucking annoying. It's fucking annoying. And in some ways, like, are you signing off by going, and maybe I just say, I don't know. Maybe it's okay to just not get so mad about that kind of stuff. And maybe you can just go and enjoy it and be with people. Maybe that's like how we start to build bridges again. Yeah, I mean, like it's like.

Again, I'm trying to justify going back. Well, no, I mean, we have like this whole thing. We're also powerless. Yes. That the only thing that we can do a lot of times. times as act as consumers. So we have this whole thing of where corporate allegiance is a cultural signifier, right? And I'm good at that. I'm a damn good consumer. But like, where I spend my money, I'm voting with my dollars because my actual vote doesn't move the

needle one bit. Yeah, I'm voting with my Bitcoin. I'm voting with my Bitcoin because it's going to be the new fiat currency and just a matter of time. But like, like, it's a, and so we're all like, like, what you buy defines who you are and like, like, you can make political signals, based off of a patronizing one business and boycotting another. But it fucking sucks because all of these companies are fucking awful and all these companies are going to do whatever they can to have any sort of

have some sort of favorable political policy that just puts more money in their pockets. And Big Lorry sucks. He can go fuck a jar of tallow for all I care. All these guys fucking suck. If we did a rogue's gallery, Big Lari would be in one of the lowest circles of hell. He is a piece of shit. All these people fucking suck. And he is a particularly bad one.

But there's like, there's no place where can go and feel good about yourself. There's no, there's basically no business that doesn't have some sort of shitty thing they're involved with, even if it's not their direct, like, impact on, on consumers or on its workforce, you know, its effects down the supply chain, particularly in the food industry, there's so many, you know, environmental, like, you know, extensions that happen. So it's like, and then certainly the agricultural sector is way worse than the food service sector and all these companies benefit from

the way American agribusiness is basically unregulated. It fucking sucks. It's a bad, bad world. And all of this is good. I think you want to buy that are going to make you happy. What are you supposed to fucking do? I zoned out for a couple minutes there. Yeah. I didn't hear a lot of what you just said.

I got the gist of it. That the what was it? And yeah, look, maybe some of that's passing the buck And maybe it's, you know, what aboutism or something like that. But we, I drove an hour and a half with my two close friends. And also no wind, Serenity now. And we had a great meal at this restaurant.

And I enjoyed it. Like F1, got you there. It's hard. I don't know. We liked it. We liked it. Congrats us. You took two defeated men.

We were just completely defeated. Yeah. We wanted at least to have some sort of emerge with some sort of moral superiority, but instead we're having to justify putting money in Big Lurie's pocket. I mean, what do you want to do? But I mean, like, yes, there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. I understand some targeted boycotts to maybe move the needle, you know, but like for certain causes, I understand how that can be an effective strategy in certain cases. But I think like, and I think we're already past the era of judging someone based on. Yeah, we're past the era.

You hear that credit? Based on where they eat. The Reddit knows we're past that era. But who fucking knows? Who knows what the reaction will be to this episode? I will say that my reaction to steak and shake was... We went there with good intentions. Was skepticism.

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you've guessed it on the podcast as much as anybody you are a constant presence in the doughboys canon since its inception uh what is your fork score five forks wow why's you go first because i'm good i got to think about it you got to think about it um here's the thing what Big Lari did to stake in shake, like that really pisses me off the way that he just sort of, you know, egotistically had this quixotic, global expansion of a beloved regional chain. And that's kind of like symbolic of what happens, what's happening to American chains in general is that we're just seeing these things that like, you know, used to be localized to one part of the country. Now they're going everywhere and the quality is dipping. And it's just in the matter of of extracting more. profits or a lot of times what happens is what happened with steak and shake is that a lot of these new outlets closed and and and they had to do this tactical retreat and so it was just sort of like a waste of resources and a way that just sort of like like reduce the overall quality of the product and reduce reduce the status of the brand again for like you know

the out of something like greed we talked about dicky's barbecue pit earlier that was a place that was just like basically astro-turfed. It was just like, here, it's going everywhere. Dickies is everywhere, and it just sucks, and it's fucking bad. It's fucking bad. Oakberry, which we reviewed in recent years. Oakberry is another one of these places. It's started, is it?

The one on our block, on the headgun block, has closed, but Oakbury's another place that, like, kind of went everywhere, and no one actually likes it, but it's basically like some sort of pyramid scheme. The Capitol sometimes laundered through through this this assay bowl chain that's that's a completely unremarkable all that said i don't like biglory the man i don't like all the pandering to maha it is so fucking annoying that's the other thing about this that we do we just just need to underline it's so

fucking annoying like just shut the fuck up jesus fucking christ you won you control all the levers of power what the file like like what like why why is you're gloating not even like like amusing It's just fucking annoying. I get that you're putting your thumb in the eye of liberals, but in a way, it's like, man, this fucking, ah, God, you're just, ugh, you just, this fucking sucks. It's annoying as fuck.

It's annoying as fuck. Um, all that said, I have to give steak and shake five forks. Oh, boy. Um, what say you, Swoon, man? I, look the experience with YouTube I'll say this the experience in the face of

corporate tyranny I bonded with my fellow man that's right we had a lovely day and I am optimistic about the future still maybe because I have a bad memory like we established early that might be what it is but wise it was undeniably a great meal yeah it was so so good maybe this is the last time we review steak and shake but guess what I vote with my fork one fork fuck you steak and shake

wow oh my god it is locked out of the golden play club secretly five forks oh my goodness one fork I vote with my forks wow a bold symbolic stand

by Spoon Man and so it will not and I know that one of us had to do that technically yeah and you wanted it to be you I have to make up for some past voting So I vote with my fork

One fork Fuck you steak Fuck you big lorry A delicious meal Yeah it was really good Time with friends But I You know

Maybe we caught them on a good day Who knows It could be But it was a small lorry Is that anything Yeah hell yeah it is More like small lorry Yeah take that small lorry

Oh he's trembling now maybe bug glari because he's a bug bug larry is pretty good bug larry is good take that bug larry take that bug larry

anyways we did it suss yeah we did it I have a question for you yep in 2006 can the deli boys come back okay in review

has been answered Phil Rosenthal's new diner wow people have been asking for this online Wow. Well, it's a diner.

It's not a deli, but here's the thing. It really is a deli. And I think, and I share this with my. David Phillips and you. I share this with my deli boy partner that we think that. Eh, maybe not the right time for a deli. Move it to diner. Diner boys.

There might be a little bit of a calculation there. A limited series diner boys with DP and Suss. Maybe that's why. Oh, you're saying, you're saying Rosenthal did this. It's a marketing decision. Yeah. To make it a diner. Just a theory, which kind of...

It's possible. It's possible. Yeah. We would love it. We would love a Deli Boys review of the Phil Rosenthal $38. I got some assorted food takes that I wanted to talk about, which we didn't get to. Well, let's hit them. Is it involved?

It's not, it's unrelated. Okay, it's unrelated. So let's get to our segment. I've got a mystery beverage and Mitch and Susser must decide what it is. It's the Weiger challenge. If we don't like the segment, we'll do a different one, too. Well, no, but we can still... Do you have another segment?

Yeah, we'll figure something out. There was a weird chip in there that I thought we could do snack or whack. You want to try the chip. There's a weird chip. Yeah. Amelia, we just go get the chip. Sorry. Get him the chip.

No, no, no, let's have this first. No, Brick, what is the chip? What is it? It's like, it's like, or it's a snack mix that tastes like a soup. We ate those already. We ate that on an other episode. And also, we gave that to you, I think. The Tom Cod.

Yeah, the Tom Cod. Yeah, we had that already. Didn't we give you some after? Didn't you? I don't know if you were here. You can have it afterwards. Yeah, you can have it. I already had some.

I just wanted more. All right, you have a drink in front of you. It is a brown liquid. Wow. I want to hear your more food takes. Yeah, let's hear some of these food takes as we do the Wigger Challenge. It's a Wigar Challenge to end the year. I like it.

I'm going to give a little whiff here. Okay, it smells very much like a cola. Very much like a cola. Telling bouquet, perhaps. Here we go. I'm going to take a sip. Mitch and Susser are both taking sips. Whoa. Okay.

I know it. Mitch is confident that he knows it. That's right. One swig and he's like, I got this. Your record is quite good in the Weiger Challenge. Vessor is taking a few tentative sips. Vanilla Coca-Cola holiday flavor. The holiday vanilla, very vanilla Coca-Cola. I am also going to say vanilla Coca-Cola, but I'm going to say

diet or a zero. Mitch, you have won the Weigel challenge, which means you win the rest of the can. Is there anything in there? Okay. Well, Wags, why don't you take a sip? Have you tried it yet? Holiday creamy vanilla. I have not.

Wait, is the can open? Oh, no, no. No, this is not open. Yeah. Sorry, that's mine. I mean, there's more in the fridge. No, no, no, that's what's mine. Here, try the vanilla Coke.

I pass it over here. I'm taking a swing of Mitch's glass. Oh, here's something I wanted to talk about when we were. sharing the milkshakes. Pretty good. The milkshakes made like... Pretty fucking good. You had the milkshakes straws?

I'm on myself. No, you did a good job nailing that. Absolutely. I would not have gotten that it was a holiday varietal. The milkshake stuff would get gunked up in the straw. Yeah.

And I did something where then I was like, oh, I'm going to flip a straw around and suck it out the back. Yeah. And then we were all sharing. I was like, oh, this is kind of gross to like pop it in somebody else's milkshake.

Yeah. I went and got a new straw. That's right. But then you guys just We're doing that too and then just pop them in everybody else was Yeah, we didn't care

Was that your other food observation? No, no, no, no. They kind of had to be spooned anyway. Yeah, but the shakes were very good. Yeah, they were thick boys. Okay, food observation one. Okay. Medium rare, sometimes too rare.

Interesting. I disagree. No, I like this because... Maybe only on prime rib. I think this is a good take. I mean, I actually like it. I like a medium rare. what I'm going for, and I like it to be a little bit more rare, but I think that people

who are ordering medium rare think they're expecting something a little bit less. And I honestly, people who order medium oftentimes, I will notice that the person, uh, the, the, the server will often say like, that means pink in the middle. Is that okay? And then a lot of people will adjust to medium well, because that's not actually what they want, but people have been conditioned to think that mediums, yeah. Oh, to me. No, to medium well. But I get what you're saying, that medium rare. I think sometimes they're worried that, that a person who orders medium rare, they're, there may be overcorrecting and undercooking. And I also think that in this world where it's like, oh, like, that's the right way to order things.

Yeah, sure. And that it's maybe not to everyone's taste. And also, like, you could go to a place and, like, you're saying, with primary or certain cuts, you might enjoy something that's medium and that I feel like. I mean, if you steak, you can eat raw almost. Sure. I mean, it's not that big of a deal. Jimmy had a cute little snore or something. What was that?

I mean, we made her sit through a year's, worth of episodes. She's fucking done for the year. She's checked out. Yeah. And can you blame her? I know. She's dreaming over here. Good girl. Okay. Next Food take. Okay. Wait, hold on. All right, sure. I say

an undercooked burger way worse than an undercooked steak. Here's a weird thing. I agree. Here's a weird thing about a medium rare and about like, you know, steak in general. It's like, beef is like the only thing you order to temperature pretty much, right? Is there anything else where you're like, like, chicken you don't order to

I don't know, it's like like fish. It's like, no. Lamb maybe, I guess. But it was just, why is that a red meat specific thing? I don't know. The tuna. Yeah, but tuna, but usually it'll be like it just comes rare. Yeah, you won't actually order it to temperature.

Or salmon. Sometimes I think you can ask for it, like, cooked through or a little bit more on the right side. But I don't know if you use that terminology necessarily. Yeah, but they usually won't, won't ask you how you want it cooked. Like, it's like, I don't know. It's interesting how just that, just that exist and just, in principle for red meat.

Also, not to pour salt on the wound, but every steak and shake burger cooked perfectly. They were all really good. Yeah, they were really good. I imagine fresh ground beef. I don't know if it's from grass-fed cows, but it was a high-quality beef. Or what was your next food observation? Good tasting wax is having a moment. What? Good tasting wax?

You know, these like candies that are kind of like waxy. What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. Are you talking about like Starbursts or mombas? Yes. Are high chews. Those are not new. But they're having a moment. You're seeing them in more candy stores.

I feel like there are variations of them are coming out. I like that this is very clear that you just were recently in a candy store. Good tasting wax is having a moment. There's an interesting name for these, and I forgot what it is. But like I looked up, yeah, well, the Good Tasting Wax is a specific name for like the Starburst category of candy, like sort of fruit chews. and it's not something you would expect that that is used in the industry. I think that the moment has actually already passed

for a good tasting wax. The moment might be passed. Do you guys look at something up over there? It says wax candy. Yeah, it just says wax candy. Wax candy, okay. I'm not sure if I googled the right question. Also, we're supposed to be unplugged,

so I was just going to not share it. Well, I appreciate that. It is an unplugged episode, but also you were in New York, so you might be seeing trends that we haven't even seen over here. Yeah, that's possible. Another thing that came from my experience in New York

what I think makes a good food city is not the highs but the mediums because I feel like a lot of good a lot of cities have like some good restaurants if you like go out and you seek out yeah what was nice about New York especially in a certain categories is you could go to just a pizza place and it would be pretty good or you go to just a bagel place and it would be pretty good and LA has that too with you can just go and get like a breakfast breeder which I actually found very hard. hard to find in New York, but shocking to me. Interesting. So that I think that, you know, when you're thinking about food cities, like, what's the medium? Like, if you're not doing so much effort to find the place, what do you guys think of that? No, I think that's a pretty good take. Like, I feel like like a replacement level, L.A., like Thai restaurant or L.A., like, obviously, like Mexican or Salvadoran restaurant, those are all going to be good. You know, there's all, like, yes, it's, it's the, the, the, the, the median is pretty high.

When your ancestors first came over Did they immigrate to Hamburger America? Is that how they came here? Hamburger America, the name of the New York burger restaurant. That was so good. Do you guys talk about it already? Yeah, we do. We really liked it.

We loved hamburger. We touched on it. Well, I was there with you. That's right. Yeah, I know, but I didn't know if you talked about. We did. When I said, we saw the suss, man. We said we talked about how we saw you.

Man, burgers are so good. Yeah, they are. They are good. I mean, we should have gotten McDonald's. We should have. I can't believe there's no food now coming in. Don't end this episode this way, that you're sad. There's no fucking food.

We're unplugged. What will we order with? 100%. There you go. Man, what did people do before? They used their phone or they walked to the restaurant. I don't know how many years you're spanning here. They fingered their wives.

Yeah, they fingered their fucking wives. They ate. They ate. They ate if you know what I mean. Any food trends for the next year that you see coming? So I'm glad you asked this. Uh, no. Uh, Italian, I already knocked out of the park with Italian.

Also, pickles are having, Oh, flavor is having such a huge moment right now. Pickle is big. I wonder if it's already played out, though. Pickle? Yeah, pickle we might be on the back end of. I think we're definitely on the back end of bowls. I think slot bowls are on the way out.

You can agree with my Italian take was good. Italian take was good. Italian take was good. Just overall Italian, which was very, the Italian sandwiches, So the Florentine, the Florence style sandwiches were big. There's a lot of Italian stuff going on. Speaking of Italian, that actually bring me to an idea that I have. Yeah.

I get your guys temperature on this. Okay. Italian dim sum. With the carts, it comes around, and it's like two raviolis for like $4.50. And you just get a ravioli each, and then it's like a guy coming around with Arincini's. I really like this. Yeah. Yeah.

It's pretty. Like one little scoop of spaghetti and then like a scoop of Alfredo or whatever. Yeah. You should maybe not say this. It's good. I mean, I should just do it. It's really good. Him some more like give me some.

It's fucking good. That's pretty good. You could open up, you know what? Include a patty melt that you charge $38 for? Wager, do you have any food trends that you see coming? It's a great question. I think there's going to be some, I mean, this is very broad. But I think that I think the next food trend Italian, I said, I think there's,

is going to be another Asian, like some Asian food trend that's coming up. You could not have a broader umbrella. Some sort of Asian, you know, the largest most populous continent on earth. Some sort of food from there is going to be dominant. But if I'm right, if I'm right, you've got to give me credit for it. Yeah, you got to give me credit if any Asian food is popular at all next year. Mitch can say, I told you so. I think that there's, all right, maybe it's because now I'm remembering I read some article on it, but I think

that there are some Asian and I think maybe specifically Chinese fast food restaurants that are gonna be made there are yes if you're talking about like like not necessarily even Chinese food but chains that are Chinese in origin that are from mainland China that are very popular over there

that are opening some U.S. outlets that is the process that is actually happening hopefully we'll get to review some of those I mean that would be an interesting experience to see what those Chinese restaurants are like stateside my you know I was going to say suvlocki

But I kind of, I'm going to say, I think the French tacos, which are a very specific Mediterranean dish that is popular in France and I believe is expanding to continental Europe, I think we might see French tacos start to go global. That's a great call. I have a very close thing, but next L.A. food trend, Fancy Euros. Fancy Euros is a fun one. I'd love to see that. You don't like this? I'm just, I don't know, are you just like pulling that out of nowhere, or is there any, I, I, I, I'm a little bit of an Ostradamus sometimes. I think that this is, I think this is, I think this is. And you know what? Here's another one. Summer of Watermelon. Wow, the summer of watermelon. I think watermelon is going to be really big this summer. We already had the Harry Stiles hit watermelon sugar high. Yeah, that actually makes me feel like it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens. Are we done this on the podcast before? I will be your year, oh, baby.

No, but I think we should. That's really good. I will cook me on some flame. That's pretty good. I'll be topped with some Zatsiki. Sorry, we're getting a little rocky.

I can't be. I mean, the last line is... You can take my hunger away. That's pretty good. I like it. Yeah, it's really good. Unplugged.

It was a... Tough episode sucks. I think this episode actually matches the doughboys year. Yeah. I think that it's a very fitting end to the year. But I'm very hopeful for next year, Suss and Wags. And the dais in Gemmy. I think it's going to be...

I think there's going to be some good stuff next year. Where are we with Mitches out? It is 625. Oh, we got time. Should we do a listener question? Yeah, we should have... Hey, just like a restaurant, you buy your feedback. Let's open to the feedback.

And, hey, today's feedback comes from... Comes from Los Feliz Jeff. Wow. Wow. Dutton? I don't think so, actually. Yeah, probably not. I don't think it's a J-Man. Hey, Dofam.

I'm planning my trip home for the holidays and suggested to my family we do a Santa Claus draft. Portrayals of Santa for movies or TV, advertisements, or things closely associated with him, slay, reindeer, milk, and cookies. You guys are the experts, and I would be curious what each of you and your guests, would come up with.

Wow. I always really enjoy your drafts and I couldn't believe you haven't done this one, especially with Mitch's love for the jolly man himself. Hope everyone is doing well and thank you all for the content throughout the years. And his draft, his first round pick, is September Santa. September Santa for the big birthday boy's sketch portrayed by the Spoon Man himself. That's very kind.

Cited in Bob Odenkirk's book. It was, yes. That was very kind of Bob. He still doesn't understand what Doe Boys is, but we'll get them on at some point. The show sounds bad. we can go we can go get there's a local place that has great well this is what he's saying yeah there's a great local Chinese restaurant I was like that's not what the show is and he was like okay I was editing a video for him years ago I can't remember if I if this was a I said

this on the podcast I was breaking bad I was shooting breaking bad he was shooting like the final season of breaking bad and like called me from set um and it was like I'd send him a cut and And it was like, it was like one sentence like, Nick, it's Bob, the video's not working. He's just telling me I did a bad job immediately. Let me tell you, with two seasons of birthday boys, I heard that quite a bit. No, I was just laughing at this imagined conversation of like,

hey, like, honey, like, just want to make sure you're like coming home for Christmas. Like, yeah, like I'll be there. Like, are you going to bring, like, a girl? Like, you know, you guys, like, we can do two separate rooms. Like, no, no, girl. but I think we could do a Santa Draft with the whole family. A what? Santa Draft.

You know, it's like this podcast I listened to about fast food. So he's Santa, no, no, they just do drafts. Jeff from Los Feil has probably got a baby. He's probably got a hot girlfriend that he, uh,

Hey family, let's do a Santa draft. A boyfriend. He has a stud. There's somebody, there's an significant other that's looking good. You know, is heteronormative of me.

Oh, yeah. I agree. I'm sorry. That's all right. I went to steak and shake and now. I'm being heteronormative on the podcast. So, okay, so Santa Draft. Santa Draft.

Who would you? I think me and Wags do have the upper hand here a little bit. Well, look, can I, can I, I'll, I'm going to give myself the first pick. I'm going to take Santa Claus. I'm just going to say this. Yeah. A really good first pick. Really good.

Really good. Am I going third? It's up to you. Suss, you can get second. Hmm. How many Santa's are redrafting? Uh, how much time you got, Mitch? Not a lot of time.

Coca-Cola Santa? Pretty good. Wait, we're like a top three. That's what you can do? I think so. Yeah, it's like any portrayal of Santa or any, it's at anything related to them. But his is the real one. He's is the real one.

I've got the real one. Hmm. presence the idea of presence pretty good are we going snake style I want to send it back to say I get another brick yeah we are going so presence is my number one pick

and then I'm going to draft a good Santa oh man well okay I'll draft a Santa I'm going to draft I can't think of a second Santa outside of Santa. Yeah,

I get the big one. Like a movie Santa maybe? Yeah, I can't think of a movie Santa. There's a whole series of movies about Santa Claus, but I don't want to draft that. He sucks. Ooh?

Yeah, could you just draft Tim Allen? You could draft. I think Tim Allen is on the board. Oh, I'm drafting the reindeer and the sleigh. Sure. Big one. So does that fuck Nick Santa?

Yeah, he's fucking walking. Good luck. And I'm going to get that. And you got presents, too. What am I supposed to do? I was just a fat guy. Sitting there twiddling his thumbs. I'll go with Dan Aykroyd in trading places when he shows up, like, drunk in, like,

with Santa costume. That's pretty good. That's really good. I will go with the portrayal of Santa by Bobby Bacola in the Sopranos when he completely fucks it up because he's like shyness is a curse and he doesn't know how to handle the kids and one of the kids says fuck you Santa and then later Tony Sirico as

Pauli Wannett says in the end fuck Santa Claus Anyway I'll take I'll take Bobby Bacola's Santa and then you know here's the thing Santa's at his workshop he's up at the North Pole there's no presence there's no sleigh

you've got plenty of time to finger his wife Mrs. Claus and Arthur Christmas Okay You did Christmas? Arthur Christmas Oh okay I'm gonna do Christmas itself then

That's a big one Christmas Jesus Christ And you know what I gotta balance it The ying with the yang Christmas Scrooge I'm drafting Scrooge as well

Wait now you're in the four Yeah we're doing four I think we do four times You get your last pick Yeah I think you'll actually have the last pick Am I wrong? No, no, you do.

I do. Okay. You have three already? I mean, Hanukkah Harry. Hanukkah Harry is great. Good pick. You get the last pick, Wags. How many do I have?

Have three? Yeah, you get the last one. Last pick. So we just made me late for my thing to do this fucking stupid draft? You still have 15 minutes? The final pick. We might even get to do ads. The final pick in the sand.

Mitch doesn't have anybody do ads. I can dend all. Stretch this out a little bit. Mitch has a show to get to. Yes, the big last episode that we had to rush through. We didn't rush through. In fact, I think we could fucking cut this one down a little bit. We pushed, we rushed.

We didn't rush at all. You had nothing planned. That's the most I've ever seen you handwrite anything. And what the fuck did you bring up? It's mostly just doughboys dates. I will take from the World of Warcraft the Feast of Winfell. Intervator. Now we can end the fucking year. If you have a question or comment about the, for the doughboys, send it in to Feedbag

at birdfuck.com. Our producers, Emma Erdbrink, our associate producer, Amelia Marino. Our video editor is Mike Dorfman. Thank you all three of you for all the work you've done this year. Thank you. Thank you. We love you for doing the work. You guys. We love you back. We love you guys. And I love you too, buddy. I want to say one thing real quick, which is just a, you know, a little bit of of end of year Christmas sincerity. You know, I've been, I've certainly been struggling my mental health a lot this year. A lot of the fans have been incredibly kind, you know, sent me things or just relayed messages, things I've seen secondhand. And I really appreciate all of you who have extended any sort of support. It is meaningful. It is impactful. And I definitely feel incredibly blessed that

I have the support system that I know a lot of people don't have. But that also extends to everyone on here on staff and uh you know mike of course and and and i'm am amelia you know i tell you're my employees not my my my therapist but you've all been uh just like incredibly just just kind people and and have been very uh generous with your uh just your you're accommodating um my my my health issues that have like messed up with a schedule this podcast and it's kind of the first time that that's actually happened um and i also especially of course want to thank Mitch and Susser who are just, uh, you know, like this is the thing we, we, uh, they're, they're just genuinely good friends and they're, they're just genuinely nice, uh, nice people

who, uh, care about me a lot. And I really appreciate all of that. And it was a wonderful day that we got to spend together on. It was. And you know what? I'm happy. And a great record we got to do today. I also am happy that you've been vocal about, uh, your mental health issues because, uh, for Suss and I, we actually got you, we applied you to Bellevue. Oh, that's great. We're gonna, uh, I love that. Because you got a little bit, cuckoo. Yeah. We love you all right. We love you all. It's very easy to care about you

and to love you. You do so much for us. That's nice to say. Thank you. I also started eating these fancy gummy bears this year. The Albany's gummy bears I wanted to start. Are they good? Yeah, I like them.

What is elevated about these gummy bears? I don't know. They're just a little more expensive. But anyway, thank you for it. But anyway, thank you for that. Also, I wanted to plug the television show I worked on. Yeah, please, of course. Everett, Tessor, our guest, go ahead.

It's the fall of Rise and Ridge Dinkins on NBC this fall with Tracy Morgan, Daniel Radcliffe. That's what I was in New York doing. We missed you. And, you know, I think that, thank you for those nice things that you said. And, you know, take that good feeling into watching the show. Everybody. You know, I also had, you know, I deal with long COVID stuff.

And everyone here has been also been very nice to me as I try to figure that out. And I've seen some progress, which is good. That's great. I think we're going to see some good progress in 2006. I think I think you can't, you know, it's been a tough year, but I think good things are going to happen. But don't worry. If you guys are listening to this podcast because you want more depression talk or more

health issues, if that's what you're coming for, you're going to get more of that. It's going to happen. You're going to get that. Because I know some people are probably like, you know, I'm listening to the Sunwide, but some of these sickos, they like when things are bad for the doughboys. Don't worry. There's going to be plenty of that, too. Could a Do-Boy die next year?

It's possible. We'll see what happens. It could happen. A Do-Boy could die before 2026. That's true. Don't even speak it into the universe. Don't manifest. Sorry.

I've been saying we should have a tontine. You have been saying this for years, I think. Like, everyone who's a part of Doe Boys media, we all get keys to the Doe Boys' Patreon. Are we going to put the McDonald's gift cards in there? McDonald's gift cards, the arch cards go in there, and then the password for the Do Boys Patreon, whoever the last surviving member of Do Boys Media is, they get its bounty.

I'm going to get all the bones I want. Jimmy! She lives? She outlives us all. No, I love you all. I love you, buddy. I missed being here. We're happy.

You're back, Suss. Glad to be back. The conigliari, the commish of Doe Boys. You've been doing a ton of work on the comic book, which I think is largely unheralded, but you're, you know, like,

like, we, you've, you've been, you've been doing a lot for that as well. Well, it's been, that's a really fun,

uh, thing to get to be a part of in, as is everything with doughboys. And thanks for, uh, including me, and letting me from, letting me come back and do a second episode and then all the ones after that.

Should we do steak and shake ever again? I feel like this is like kind of like the, the finality of the steak and shake experience. Well, we did talk. we had another steak and shake idea this year which we maybe do

we should maybe do that to see if it's certainly as good as this experience was do you want to say it I think we can save it we can save we might end up there can you give me my fucking phone back

please yeah I need to I gotta go audition for scrubs for a guy who pours ranch on everything wait is that real that's amazing yeah that is true

what I thought you you've been saying for years you don't want to No scrubs. What's next? You got an audition for waterfalls? You're not supposed to be chasing. I don't like what happened with you two this episode.

Good news. Sean Boyle texted you. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. Sean Boyle, Funnier Diet Producer, produced my Gunkin-style video back in the day. Wow. Also one time invited me impromptu last minute to join him in his car to drive to the

porn awards. happy holidays thank you for listening to another year we love you what a what a relief to have my iPad in front of me because otherwise I could not say until next time for the spoon man Mike Mitchell I'm Tiger Weiger happy eating see ya bye hi I'm Nicole Byer hi I'm Sashir Zameda and this is the podcast Best Friends And we're here at HeadGum. So this is just a podcast where we just talk. Yeah.

We're best friends. Yeah. We talk. And then we have a segment where we answer questions and queries. So audience members can ask questions about friendships and we can answer them to the best of our abilities. Yes. We are professional friends. Subscribe to Best Friends on Spotify, Apple Podcast, PocketCast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And watch videos on YouTube. New episodes drop every year. Wednesday. That's the middle of a work week. I was deeply unhelpful to you during that whole thing. I'm really sorry. I felt the support. I was so okay. I was trying to be supportive. Yeah. But I was like, I don't know, reading seems pretty hard right now. It's a lot. I think you did good. Thank you so much. You're welcome. That was a hate gum podcast.