Doughboys - Steak 'n Shake 4 with Evan Susser

Episode Date: December 19, 2019

The commissioner returns for the final episode of 2019! Susser (Deli Boys, Brooklyn 99) and the 'boys head back to Steak 'n Shake, a midwest chain with a tumultuous history. Plus, the final Snack or Wack of 2019. Sources for this week’s intro include:2014: A Blowout Compensation Year for Sardar Biglari by John Hamburgerhttps://www.restfinance.com/Restaurant-Finance-Across-America/March-2015/2014-A-Blowout-Compensation-Year-for-Sardar-Biglari/Fresno couldn't wait for a Steak 'n Shake. A year later it's closed. What happened? by Bethany Cloughhttps://www.fresnobee.com/living/food-drink/bethany-clough/article212526494.htmlSteak 'n Shake auction canceled, store continues operation by Alex Mannhttps://www.capitalgazette.com/business/ph-ac-cn-steak-auction-cancelled-0701-20170630-story.htmlAnne Arundel restaurateur indicted in plot to frame wife as terrorist, burn business by Phil Davishttps://www.capitalgazette.com/news/crime/ac-cn-arson-murder-plot-0829-story.htmlUS-born Steak n Shake closes its only UK site by Georgia Brontehttps://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Article/2018/08/08/Steak-n-Shake-closes-its-only-UK-siteWhere Steak ‘n Shake Lost its Way by Danny Kleinhttps://www.qsrmagazine.com/fast-food/where-steak-n-shake-lost-its-waySteak ‘n Shake websitehttps://www.steaknshake.com/about-us/Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a headgum podcast. Three years. Three years since this podcast's last visit to the midwest hot beef and cold dairy chain founded in 1934 in the town of Normal, Illinois, a momentous but often contentious three years in Del Boy's history that paralleled the travails of planet Earth. The rise of the far right in the west and populist opposition movements in the east, the continuation and pending conclusion of the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy, and the birth, death, and rebirth of the Popeye's chicken sandwich.

And this burger and sweet treat chain with a rhyming name too has had some momentous recent history. Under the stewardship of majority stakeholder Sardar Bighlari, the Trump-esque Maxim magazine publisher who engineered a Tostyle takeover in 2008 and probably added his name to the signage, the chain expanded from the midwest to blanket North America and establish outposts overseas. An adventure that may have been an exercise in hubris by Bighlari as a rash of new locations have shuttered in quick succession.

Billings, Montana opened and closed. Fresno, California opened and closed. Millersville, Maryland opened and closed. And subsequently, its franchise owner arrested for attempting to murder his wife and burn down his business for insurance money in the face of crushing financial pressures. The chain's quixotic UK expansion too ended after its lone British Isles location breaks it in less than two years after its founding. The closures even touched a location reviewed by this very podcasting guest.

It's Victorville, California, outlet closed in February of 2018. That same year, the number of customers hit an eight-year low as same-store sales dropped 5.1 percent. So as the planet burns, often literally from ever-increasing global temperatures, will the sun metaphorically rise once again on Sardar Bighlari's Heartland Hamburgory. This week, on the final new Doe Boys of 2019, we return, once again, to stake and shake. Welcome to Doe Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger.

Alongside my co-host, adult Buzz McAllister, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Oh, right. I mean, that's come on. That's just... It's topical and it's seasonal. You're just doing that because we posted this online and you said, Mitch is gonna think he's Kevin. Yeah, you do.

No. No, I am him. It's a standalone photo of... I don't know the third character it was, but it's Kevin and Buzz. Is that another one of the McAllister kids? What, Buzz? No, the third... There was one more kid.

Oh, yeah, it was the cousin. The cousin, okay. So it's the three of them. This got tweeted out. It got shared by us. You guys know what social media works. And it was the guest photo of you and me and Paul Rust, our good buddy, and someone was like, oh, that looks like that.

And then you said that you were McAuley. You said Mitch is gonna think he's Kevin. Yeah. And I do. You're Buzz, you fucking Buzz piece of shit. I'm not Buzz. I look more McAuley than you do at that age. No, you didn't.

Yes, I did. Fuck you. I looked like Buzz? No, you didn't look like Buzz. We both look like McAuley, but I look more McAuley than you. Has it really been three years since Steak and Shake? Yeah, man, we went... The last time we went was like...

It was that long ago? That was a while ago. The fuck's been going on? I mean... That was the last one? What hasn't been going on in this world, huh? Question. Time oil.

Are you... Do they stop you at the border of Normal, Illinois? You're weird. You're too weird to come here. Go to Abnormal, Indiana, the next tape. That roast was courtesy of Kyle Loder. He writes this roast courtesy of Huell Houser, whatever that means. Go to SpooMan at gmail.com if you have an insult you like me use on Mitch at the Dollar

Show. What does that mean? I don't know. It's very cryptic. All right, look. We got to introduce our guest because he's already chopping off a bit. Should we just introduce him first? Yes.

Okay. We're introducing him before the drop? Yes. Fine. This is a break from form, but... All right. He's coming in before the drop. Our guest, our first ever pre-drop guest, a writer whose credits include Brooklyn Nine

Nine, Fist Fight, and the upcoming film Sonic the Hedgehog, Evan Susser is back. Guys. This is up to Mitch. It's great to be here. December 6th, 2019, reddit.com. Can't believe I'm going to say this as a subject, but I miss Susser. By popular demand, I'm back. We made it happen.

And we were back to Steak and Shake. Right at you. The overwhelming amount of 11 comments. Yeah, I agree. I missed him. Yeah, truly, my favorite episodes. I respectfully disagree. He urged me to no end.

I would rather have a run of Bugman episodes than a single Susser appearance. Okay. Well, anyway, I'm back, guys. We're thrilled to have you. Posted by Reddit user MrsSusser. Yes. Is that my mom or my wife? That's your mom.

Yeah. Your wife, does she want you at Doughboys and out of the house, or does she want you back at the house? Good question. Fairies by the day. Hit the drop, Mitch. All right. Here we go.

How the hell? To Spoon Nation, everybody. Last drop of 2019. Was it a good year? I don't know. We'll talk about it. We'll talk. We will talk about it.

Why? Because I got news for you today. Yeah. It's a two drop day. It's a double drop day. Double drop day. Wow. Because we heard a drop before.

That was a first drop. And holding, and holding, which part of the fugitives? They fry now? They fry now. All right. Well, that was a first drop. That was a first drop, but that was by Caleb Demson. Hi, Caleb.

Hey, boys, if you just watched Rise of Skywalker, this would be an appropriate drop, but feel free to use it at any time. You're pal, Kale B. It's weird that when this episode is out, it will be on Rise of, wait, what's it called? Return of Skywalker? Return of Skywalker Eve. It will be the day it actually releases. It's not Return of Skywalker.

Oh, Rise of Skywalker. Rise of Skywalker. Is it Rise of the Skywalker? Is that what it is? Just Rise of Skywalker. I mean, Rise of Skywalker. This is why it sucks already. It's confused.

It's a little unclear. You're such, I can't believe, Wiger ranked his Star Wars favorite Star Wars movies and he put Last Jedi above the original Star Wars. Yeah. Put it third. Empire I. A movie that originally Empire I returned to the Jedi II. Last Jedi III.

You troll. You troll. I'm not trolling. I'm saying I feel Star Wars. The Rise of Skywalker. Star Wars. The Rise of Skywalker. The Rise of Skywalker.

Is that the first one? Wait, with a The in there? The Force Awakens. Okay. It's the second one with The on there. God. Well, according to the Empire Strikes Back. Wait, they, all three of the new ones have The's.

The Disney, the Disney sequel trilogy is all The's. The Force Awakens. The Force Awakens. That's so stupid. The Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker. They're all The's. The's. The's.

The's. It must mean something. J.J. has been putting these little clues throughout. Just sprinkling them in there. C-3PO's red arm. The mysterious lightsaber that Maz Kanata found. The presence of the word The in every subtitle. It's just funny to me that you hated Last Jedi.

You wanted to kill J.J. etc. Those are two different thoughts. Oh yeah. That was after, that was after The Force Awakens. You wanted to kill J.J. And then I saw him again with an open mind and I like him. You didn't like the prequels at some point. You came around and now you like the prequels.

I actually did like the prequels at first and then my people really were like, they suck. And then I was like, yeah, maybe they do suck. Yeah, sure. Was I a follower and a loser? Yes. But just like you're being out. Do you think you're potentially a follower and a loser now? No.

Now I go by my own opinions. I don't care about anybody, baby. Not even Jack and Bugman? No, because I disagree with them on stuff. Okay. I do. Jack and I don't always agree on stuff. I like, I also like, I like Rogue One.

Yeah. I do. Do you think there's any chance you will flip again holding your stars or his opinions in your life? Well, that would be fun. If you saw episode nine and flipped and you got, you were like, J.J. Hey, I might like episode nine. I haven't seen it yet.

Do you think there's any chance that you flip on the prequels again? No, I watched episode two and they're like, there are bad parts in it. But overall, I like a lot of the ideas and stuff like that. Anyways, is Snoke the emperor? Is the emperor friends of Snoke? We're going to know very soon. Friends? I don't know.

That's the big revelation. You never knew the truth. Snoke and I are friends. Not best friends. Just kind of good friends. I continued our besties. Snoke, look, this is awkward. Don't make this awkward.

Do you think anyone will do like Adam Driver in Marriage Story like yelling, but he's like yelling at Snoke or something? Oh, that's good. That would be a good match. Yeah, because it's all a bunch of fucking gloop now. Comedy is a bunch of fucking dumb goop. You take two things that aren't connected and you mash them up. That's what it is.

There's no even internet companies that do it anymore. It's just fucking a guy somewhere. Yeah. A guy realizing to do what all these internet... This is off topic, but I have a question. How do you make a meme? Truly, I do not know. Like how people...

There's a meme going around and you're seeing it and it has text and stuff. And that bitch, do you know? I'm sure Wyger knows. You want to tell you how you can learn? Yeah. UCB meme 101. There's UCB meme classes now. It's $495 for eight weeks.

It's a great value. If I put in your last name, do I get a discount? You get 20% off the first class, so more ties that figure out. But truly, maybe I'm very dumb. But is there a place where all of these memes exist as pictures and then you put blank text? Is there like an app or something?

I'm not trying to insult you, but this is like a question like my uncle would ask. Mitch, do you know the answer? There are websites that generate meme... memegenerator.com is one of them. Here's how you just go to meme generator. This is how you make a meme. You get a still from a movie of like an iconic moment. No, I'm not talking about that.

You mean the actual text, that meme text that you see? I understand that you could just see that text, where it's like there's a, for example, this cat meme where the people are yelling at the cat or whatever. I've seen the memes, so then do I have to find a version... because I want to make this meme, baby. Do I have to find the picture without any text and then go to a meme generator and put it in?

Will they just have it if it's a popular meme? So I have a question for you today that I've never wondered before, but are you dumb? This is the big Doughboy season finale revelation. Susser is dumb. I think that these guys don't really know when they're stuck, but someone please tweet at me and explain how to make memes. Someone will.

You can use Photoshop to add text to an image. I can buy Photoshop to just make a meme. I'm saying that's one way to go, but there are editors you can use to... I have to hire an editor? No, not an actual editor. You can have an app on your phone that will let you add text. In fact, you can do that just natively in iOS now. I send my memes out to Scorsese's editor.

Thelma Shoemaker? Yeah, Thelma Shoemaker. She sends them back. I had a second drop, by the way. Oh, boy. You said who gave us the first drop. What's the second drop? Paying attention. Dear Spoo Man, thank you for the many hours of red entertainment you guys provide. I'm an indie hip-hop artist from Chicago.

Wow. And I wanted to submit a little rap jingle. I wrote about the show. Sorry, that was more than that. It came up with some lines while listening. And my friend, NASA 773. I think I maybe said that wrong. Yeah, it's spelled like NASA. How do you say it? It's NASA.

NASA? I said NASA. NASA. NASA? It's spelled like NASA. Stop saying it back to me. NASA 773. Made a beat for it. Hope you guys dig it. Thanks again for the show. We followed Kojak Raps on all platforms.

Kojak. Or on YouTube slash Kojak Raps. That's C-O, C-O, Jack. And Jack S. Raps. Right, so Kojak the detective is with a K. Kojak the rapper is with a C. That's right. If it's with a C, a rapper he will be.

But if it's with a K. A detective he may be. You would say? You would say, damn it. Like, I guess my name doesn't start with a C. Couldn't fucking rhyme anything. All right, here we go. Here's the drop. Ready, Sus?

Eating, yes. NASA Apollo missions? Is that something? That rules. That was very good. I mean, he's a really good. Is there a full version? He should make a full version.

And can that be your song that gets on the Billboard Top 100? How's that coming, by the way? I still got time. How much time do you have? Every year, I think. Someone posted this in the reddit the other day. You have just under exactly six months. So you're at the halfway point.

You haven't really made any headway at all. It's kind of a classic move. I mean, I wait until the halfway point. And I'll still fucking dazzle him. That was very good by Kojak. But I think rapping about Doughboys actually loses you credibility in the hip hop community. Street cred is gone?

Yeah, it may not be a good move, career-wise. I just want to say that since the rise of Skywalkers just came out that I just asking people out there to respect my privacy as I process the rise of Skywalker in these days. But that's cool with everyone. You just got a lot to wrap your head around, you mean? I just need to process.

Right. OK. Get on social media. I was seeing everyone saying, I'm still processing the movie. What the fuck are you talking about? You're still processing. Wait, people say that? Yes.

They are all saying it online. It's the weirdest. It's like what you say when your grandma is sick. What the fuck are you talking about? That's crazy. Please respect my privacy. I just saw the rise of Skywalker. Just need some space away from everyone for a bit.

That's so weird. It's insane. The world is insane. Yeah, it's a weird world. And look, speaking of movies, Sus, then we got to get into this quickly. Yes. I booked another role. We talked about it on the show.

Yes. So we have to address it here. Now, when you say you booked another role, do you mean a cinnamon role? God damn it. Yes. I booked a cinnamon role. I booked.

I booked it. How can you book it? You set up a thing and you go and get the cinnamon roll? Are you offer only on cinnamon rolls? Would you like a cinnamon roll? Yes. I go straight to callbacks with cinnamon rolls. I booked a role in a movie.

Jennifer Garner movie. Very exciting. Officer Jones. That was my role. But I was working on this Tomorrow War movie. They kept pushing the dates. And one date went later than my first day. Yes.

Of yesterday. They didn't even overlap. But I couldn't shave my beard. You're very bearded right now as people will see in the guest photo. And I'm going to show you. They said that I had to be clean shaven. So I lost the role. Don't get to work with Jennifer Garner.

Bummed out about it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm bummed. I'm very bummed. It's that sort of... I tried everything I could. Yes.

And it's a bad city. I mean, it's a good city. Right. I think people will be like, this is champagne problems. But you always want to try to do something and get exposure. I mean, it's a good city.

Right. I think people will be like, this is champagne problems. But you always want to try to do something and get exposure. You know what I mean? I'm not an actor that a lot of people know. Well, also, if you're a character actor

in a Netflix movie, that's not something where you're going to put another story on your house. Yes. Like that money is not all that great. I mean, it's money to act in something. It was minimum, for sure. But it's more about the exposure

and getting to do a fun role. Right, for sure. Yeah, that's a bummer. Yeah. It's a tricky thing with actors. I was saying this to Sus, but it's that sort of thing of like... I mean, especially because I think everyone just wraps

the 1% of actors into all of them. But you know what I mean? Right. But whatever. I was at a WGA meeting this past weekend and the statistic, the unemployment rate for SAG-AFTRA members is 95%. Yes.

That's... 95% of actors are out of work at any given time. That's why it just seems so... There's also this... SAG-AFTRA is the actors' union. You have to be very flexible with your time always and like, we're going to do this and we're going to not pay you a lot

to come here and do this and do that. And then like, when it's the opposite and you're like, can you please be flexible for me? It just doesn't work out. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. So I was... I think it was the most depressing day of my career.

Yeah. Up there. I mean, my second most... I mean... You've had a lot of depressing days. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest. The start of DOEBOYS, another one.

Yeah, that was bad. What's going on? The show we worked on, that was another one. That was depressing. The DOEBOYS, when we sold the DOEBOYS show to Netflix. That was also depressing. Another Netflix thing. It didn't happen all in one day.

Common denominator here. Let's see. What else? You've had a lot of depressing days. We sold the TBS Gamer show. Yes, and that didn't happen. That's depressing. Yeah.

Just a solid three years of unemployment. Probably at some point in there. Yeah, you're right. It's depressing. This was one of... You're riling it up. He's shaking the microphone. Because you...

I booked it. It was specifically hard, but at the same time, I'm very excited to do the tomorrow. Stop grouping the microphone. You're making feedback. Fine, whatever. Look, can I just say my thing for God's sake? Yes, of course. I'm excited about this movie that I'm in, so it's no biggie.

But I'm sad, and I want to tell people about it. Yeah, that's a bummer. You would have been a great officer, Jones. Thanks, Y.C.I.F. I appreciate that. What were you going to say? No, it's okay to be depressed. Yeah.

You know, I think it's been three years since we last went to Steak and Shake. That's true. That's right. Just to fill everyone in. We first went to Steak and Shake four and a half years ago for the first time. That's right. Then we went four years ago to Victorville. Yeah, so the first one we went to was the Santa Monica location, which is one of these.

We'll get into this a little bit. Steak and Shake by Big Glory, which is one with a limited menu. I don't want to talk about the restaurant yet. Yes. I want to talk about our journey as friends. I'm with you. So has our bond been stronger in the last few years? Probably not.

Then I don't know. We went to Victorville. We drove two hours from Los Angeles, had a whole big road trip. It was a triumphant experience. I lost my sunglasses. The weather outside was like the movie Twister. Oh, yeah. It was a lot like the movie Twister.

I felt like that one of us was Bill Paxton. One of us was Philip Seymour Hoffman and one of us was Helen Hunt from the cast of the movie Twister. Yes. Oh, let me guess. Mitch thinks that he's whatever. Helen Hunt. Mitch thinks he's fucking Helen Hunt. Was Philip Seymour Hoffman in Twister?

I feel like he was. I think so. Yeah. And then three years ago, we went to this Burbank Steak and Shake. Yes. And that was the episode of the Big Blow Up. Wait, that was the Blow Up episode? That was the Blow Up episode, which maybe you guys have forgotten, but I have not forgotten.

Sus. And I wanted to play a little something. That was Steak and Shake 3. I felt like that was Steak and Shake 1. It was not Steak and Shake 1. Steak and Shake 1 was my first appearance. Wow. Steak and Shake, I was just coming in, being like, I'm just a guest like any other guest.

Who knew? Who knew what this would become? Who knew how many people would try and weasel their way in for the susser roll? Who knew how many people would try and grab the torch? Not letting go of that torch. I'm gripping that torch tight. You can come on. You can go on tour with the dough, boys.

But susser remained. But now it sounds like you're specifically talking to Gabriel. No, it's not just about Gabriel. I'm above Gabriel. I'm not going back and forth with him anymore. I'm not going back and forth with Kevin Pollock. I'm not going back and forth with any of the people who've tried to usurp my little spot here. Not going back and forth with Nangle.

Wow. I'm not going back and forth with anyone. I think it's great that there's a big dough boys expanded universe. It's true. But I was the first. And I think it's important to remember that. Anyway. Yes.

On my last appearance or the last time we went to steak and shake. Not my last appearance. I've been back a lot. But things got a little tense and I just wanted to play a little bit. Okay. From. Wow. But I love fast food.

But if anything, this podcast has made me hate fast food and food has become more of a chore. I'm going to resign from the dough boys. You guys have kind of teased about ending the podcast. I think after Wiger's reaction today, I think I'm going to step down. You can do it with whoever you'd like to. I think 2016 would be a fine time to end the podcast. Like we could just have this be the last. This could be the last one.

If this is the last episode, I'm fine with that. This would be the last one. I'm fine with that. Me too. Okay. All right. This is the last episode. So we've made the unsubscribe decision for you, the listener.

If you are going to unsubscribe, you don't even need to exert that effort now at this point. You can keep the subscribers number the same, but no new episodes are going to come in. It's because you don't want to work with me anymore. I'm happy to work with you. We've had plenty of feuds in the past. It's fine. We have a worker relationship. This seems worse.

There seems something deeper. What's deeper about it? It's fine. You keep saying it's fine. Because it is fine. I'm saying that things are fine. I'm also fine with this being the final episode. I don't care.

We can cut ties. I don't care. I don't want to tether to anything. I will walk away from something and never return to it. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. I will not, and I will not look back on it with nostalgia. Is there more?

Are you getting ready? That's it. Wow. You know what? That wasn't as bad as I thought. I could have done a better job editing together, more of the stuff I should have gotten my involved. If you listen back to it and you're like, that was really good, then Emma did some stuff

after we recorded. But I wanted to get the essence of that fight. Do you guys remember? It did seem it kind of, you can tell there was a little bit of joking going on, but when we were in the moment, it did feel like about 15 minutes in there, maybe the podcast was going to end. And then by the end of the podcast, it seemed like you'd come back around, but now it's three years later.

Yeah. I can't believe that's the most oppressing thing of all that. It's three. That was three years ago. It's been stagnating for three fucking years. It does blow my mind. It sucks. It's been three years since you almost, and now that was even before there was a Patreon.

That was before you guys had made any money. I know. We were a little bit lost money on this podcast for like two years. We're going out of pocket for all our meals. It was before Doe Boys Mania had really taken over the world. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. We get chased down the street before a Doe Boys live show had even occurred. Wow.

That's wild. Yeah. We've only been doing it for about about 18 months at that point. Yeah. Go on. When listening to that clip, you know what I think? What? I think I should have kicked your fucking ass that day.

Fucking fucking stopped your teeth in piece of shit. It was before we had met Emma. That's true. It was pre-Emma. I think I didn't even live in LA yet, which is not it's not even worth it. Yeah. Were you were you like in college at that point? No, I graduated college in 2015.

I was out. I think Emma has been a calming presence. I think so too. As opposed to you song, who seems to ratchet up the tension. No one's quitting now. You saw you song. So when that when that clip you just played happened, you song was what? Like you was back in college.

He actually he was in college and he like called and like left a message from college. Oh, really? Wow. Because I remember there. That was in the early days when you song was at the was an intern at our old podcast, our first podcast label. And what happened with that, by the way? Yeah, I know.

I don't know. That's why you just bring up everything. I'll tell you off pod. Yeah, weird. It was weird. I don't know. We just switched networks at some point. I don't know what happened.

God damn it. I think I don't think any money was being withheld or anything. So you say I was the calming presence, but I didn't really show up until after you left that network. So maybe the absence of that network is the calming presence. It's possible. There certainly wasn't a man up there who was screwing us over. That still works up there.

Yeah. No, no, no. There wasn't certainly wasn't any alleged embezzlement going on with our ad funds. Now you might have to cut some of this out. Do we have to? I don't know. We're alleged was he just going to call and cry. Anyway, three years.

It's a long time and you're still doing the podcast. It's going better than ever. I do, you know, people, people know people do say, you know, I usually stop listening to a podcast, but those dough boys, they're doing great. I still love it. I do hear this from people. Who are who are these people? I mean, I work at Brooklyn Nine-Nine.

A lot of dough boys, big fans, including Dan Gore, Carol Colb. Now look, is there a feeling that the Carol, we gotta have Carol. They're too good to like the show. Is there a feeling that the Oktoberfest ATL episodes were not good? Yes. Wait, people didn't like those episodes. I don't think anyone really did, but I mean, you had some great guests. We had some great guests.

But Mitch was on the bed. That's funny. The energy was low. The energy was a little low. The energy was low. They felt obligatory. There wasn't really much of a thing. What the fuck is this shit?

Look, I'm just reporting what I'm hearing. I'm not saying I think this. I flew to Atlanta. We flew. You saw an Emma flew out. A great idea. We went on two separate weekends and you're saying the episodes weren't worth it. We ate six meals in one day.

Yeah, I mean, a noble effort. I think Mitch clearly seemed distracted. What are you talking about? He's balancing multiple movie roles. Yeah, he had the Patriots game on in the background. Is that true? That is true one day. Yeah, you did.

I think that happened a couple times. I also didn't watch it. He's canceling live show appearances without any regard for the audience. That is not true. That's another thing that I was thinking about when I lost this movie role. Hashtag no day. Oh, is it? You can't.

What? You're watching an anti-yesterday campaign. Hashtag no day. Hashtag no day. Oh my goodness. Cop can have a fucking beard for Christ's sake. I mean, I think so. It's not the worst thing a cop has done.

You know, I asked my father about this, who's a lawyer, and he says it's actually illegal for a police department to say that people can't have facial hair. Oh, interesting. Now, maybe there's a limit to how much you can have. Right. But is it illegal for production to say I can't have facial hair? I don't know. I think they can impose some requirements on.

Hashtag payday. But are you really mad? Are you really mad? I just want to clarify. I don't think you're mad at the specific movie. You're more mad at the situation. Yeah, I'm mad at the situation. Yeah.

I mean, I always it's exposure things. You want to get to work and be in scenes with Jennifer Garner would have been fun. Maybe she's like, Hey, do you want to hang out with my ex-husband? Oh boy. The Boston guy. The Boston guy. We make Goodwill hunting too. Yeah, they must still be friends, right?

After he cheated on her with their nanny. They probably are close. First of all, I won't have you talking about my former co-star that way. Second of all, they are friends. Are they really? They are friendly. Oh, that's good. How do you know that?

Because I mean, you know, I got the inside scoop. He's up on parole. He has an Us Magazine subscription. Keep in touch with all the celeb gossip with all the stars he's now hobnobbing with. So if Jennifer, if you're listening, I'm sorry that I didn't get to work. She might be listening. What if she did? Is Garner on the Patreon?

I got to check with subscribers. I still, I am so curious. Uh-huh. Who is the biggest secret star listener of Dope Boys? Wow. There's got to be one. I hope someone would out themselves and say it's me. But everyone would probably be a little embarrassed.

Yeah. Understandably. That's so sad that they'd be embarrassed to listen to that. They listen to the show. Well, I, well, no, I don't think they'd be embarrassed to say they'd listen to the show. I think most people, but maybe I'm wrong, would have the humility to be like, you know, I'm trying to think who's the famous person. That's your question.

You know, it's like Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks, sure. Well, I'm Jack Nicholson, so I shouldn't say something. Do you think that people would be? I would say how can we tell people we got some meter is above a thousand and you listen to Dope Boys, just announce it and say or send us a private email and say star secret fan or something. I like this.

I like this star secret fan. We also we have a couple of big time actors who listen to the show. Yeah. Manzook is a few other people is into the show. Oh yeah. What's up, Zooks? I was looking for IMD, the IMDb star bait meter, as after you mentioned it, and the first link is the site.

Boost your IMDb star meter with boostmystar.com. It's a way where you can fucking astroturf the IMDb star meter. So you're up there with Alexandra Breckenridge. Wow. And Rachel Brosnahan. That's so what a weird, what a weird world we live in. I guess it's probably good for your career. Is that like buying Instagram followers?

Yeah. It's like buying Instagram followers, but for IMDb. That's insane. That should be not allowed. That's cool. Yeah. I concur. Ian Somerhalder is still way up there.

Vampire Diaries guy. Great. Yeah. Good for him. What's Evan Susser got? You want me to search for Susser star meter? Uh-huh. Okay.

Hold on. Suss, how do you feel about this? I'm fine with it. Okay. I've done it before and I'm usually surprisingly high. Okay. Here we go. Evan Susser.

There's only one of you. A lot of times when you search for a name, there's a bunch of different ones. There's a bunch of different Mike Mitchell's, right? Are you like Mike Mitchell seven? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here we go.

This is interesting to listen to. No, this is great. This is gripping content. Where do I view your star meter? I don't know. Do you have IMDb Pro? No. Then you can't see it.

Oh, that sucks. Here's what I think. I think that I want to check his star meter today and then see after this episode. There's a bump? There's a bump after this episode. People are IMDb'ing Susser and bumping him up. Is that how it works? Is that on the metrics?

Yeah. I think it's part of it. It's IMDb searches. Yeah. There's to the astrologers so well put. I think I think Hollywood would be a better place if we left the star meters to the astrologers. Who is the who's number one on the star? It changes.

It should. You know who number one should be? Who the Oscar itself? I thought you were going to say Halley's Comet, but that's good to and the Oscar itself or Halley's Comet should be the number one on this. I mean that that was more in line of the joke I was telling. All right. I thought you were going to say like some historical figure.

You know who should be? Frederick Douglass or something. Or Jesus Christ. Yeah. Jesus Christ. You know who should be number one on the star meter? Yeah. The sun.

That's pretty good. Yeah. I think the sun's my favorite star. I actually don't like the sun too much. Yeah. The sun burns. It's giver of life. Like the planet does not exist with that.

I like would. Yeah. No, I know. This is part of my problem with it. Three years since the big blow up. That's crazy. You guys are getting along better. Pretty well.

I think this is the best year we've gotten along. I think. Yeah. Go on, Mitch. We'll go on. What are you going to say? I was going to say there have been some cranky times. Yes.

But I think that the. I think that you're also cranky. I think the. I think the. Yeah, but you're baby cranky. You're the baby. You're the baby. You are the one.

Not the baby. An inversion of the classic not the momotrope. Not the baby. You're the baby. You got to love it. You're more of a baby than me. But we have. It's been a while since we've had like a little bit of a fracas.

There were some cranky moments, I think on tour and there have been some testy moments in text messaging. Well, because you come on touring, I slept a lot of hour last night. Yeah, I don't have a good time on tour. But why do you sleep an hour the night before you go on tour? Nervous. I wanted to. Nervous.

You fucking geek. I can't sleep. It's not. It's less that it's more anxiety to being in a different like a bed that's not my own. I have trouble like sleeping in a hotel bed sometimes or or, you know, I mean, I never stay with anyone else, but like in an Airbnb or something, I have trouble sleeping there. So like a lot of this is you standing at the foot of the bed staring at the bed nervous before you get in.

I hope I tuck myself in, right? I think that the two. Oh no, I put the pillow under my butt instead. A serious suggestion for this. Why don't you start shipping your bed from home to the tour locations? I think that would be unfeasible. Like I just I'm having a hard time like cost prohibitive. Yeah, I think it would be hard to do.

I think then Natalie wouldn't have a bed while she sleeps in a separate bed. Yeah, she that's I mean, she'd have her bed. Yes, she wouldn't have the extra bed. She wouldn't have the extra bed. I think the I think it would be infeasible. Is it infeasible or unfeasible? I think it's infeasible. I think the how about not possible?

It would be not possible. Yeah. How's that? It's impossible. Impossible. Impossible. It would be unpractical. There we go.

Impractical. That's what it is. Impractical. Yes, like the jokers. It would be impractical like the jokers. Not the joker. The jokers. Yeah.

They're different ones. Impractical joker is kind of a funny sketch. Although it like he's just playing pranks on people. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be into that. That's good for like 16,000 views. That's a whole TV show. Yeah.

No impractical. I got distracted and tuned in at the wrong moment. Do you think people who I caught? I got distracted. I tuned in at the wrong moment. Are you one of the impractical jokers? Yep. Wow.

Classic impractical joker prank there. I think what's great about the impractical jokers is that they're all friends really. Yeah. That shines through. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. It's a different take from this show. I was going to say that episode, you can't tell that I'm more mad than I am when you

hear that because I'm actually very upset in that episode. Well, it might be edited by Emma to include more of that. Okay. I frantically was doing it before I came over. I was also very mad. But I was going to say you are also lividly mad and did feel like you're going to leave the show. I think it rivals the time that you canceled Good Morning America.

That was when I wanted to quit the show. Wait, was that this year? No, no, no, no. That was almost exactly a year ago. Oh, okay. So yeah, that's fine. Water under the bridge. What do you mean that's fine?

These things are all water under the bridge. Jesus. Do you think people will be mad who I called out and the other guests and said they're not Susser? Do you think people will be mad? You think everyone will realize it was all fine? Yeah, I think it's just fine. Well, then I'll throw John Hodgman in there.

Wow, you're on notice, Hodg. Yeah. Wow, this is... I mean, I like when we're open like this, Wags. It's good. It's good. Yeah. I think that this has been a good...

This has been the best I've felt about the podcast this year. I felt like sitting the time we've been doing it, not because of its... I think it's like a better quality level or anything like that, but I just feel like we are more comfortable with each other in a working capacity. It feels more sustainable this year than it has in the past. Right. I feel like it's in the past felt like, oh, this is burning so bright, but it's going to explode.

So now it's boring. No, I think it's still great quality, but it's just in a rhythm, a little less passionate, but no less love. Well, I think that my... I mean, why are... Why are you just extinguished the flame? What do you mean? No show, no book, no this, no that.

It just all went away. You didn't want to do anything. And that's why I was resigned to it just being a podcast. But just... But that's in its best form. It's as a podcast. You piece of shit. This goes from being like a better...

Then it's just like the TV show is like an add-on. What show has transitioned from being a podcast to a TV show and people are like, oh, the TV show is better. Things evolve when they change and it's fun and you can do something different. I just think it would be another revenue source. That would be the reason to do a TV show, but then when we've been presented with things, certainly with Netflix, the money was insultingly bad. It was just like, this isn't worth our time to do.

I would be making less money executive producing and starring in a TV show than it was as a staff writer non-union freelance for Funny or Die, a website. That's absurd. Yes, it's true. I agree with you. That situation was bad. That situation was bad. But what I'm saying is that's what we know.

We see with TV production is that they keep cutting the bottom. They're trying to fucking lowball everyone because they're trying to make things as cheaply as possible. When you go on this read, I can't disagree with you because I agree. But I'm saying if there was a situation where it was financially... I don't want to say lucrative because lucrative doesn't have to be the standard, but it was financially worth our time to do it. Yeah, I'm a greedy bitch.

So what? You know what else is greedy? Wario. Whoa. Yeah, he's the enemy. He's good. You play him. He's good.

He's the protagonist in some games. What about the Doughboys book? I would be fine. We're going to have a phone call about it. We're going to see if something happens. I'm into possibly doing a Doughboys book. I just think it's going to be a lot of work for me. Guess what?

Yeah. You're not wrong, you bitch. I got news for the Doughboys listener. An exclusive. The Doughboys book will be Scratch and Snip. And the scratch part will be your own eyes. I'm trying to claw them out of your head. So look.

I think we got paid to write something. Yeah, I'm into it. I just think I feel like it's like it's... Look, it doesn't matter. The show is what it is. We're not going to have a TV show. I'm old now. I don't give a fuck anymore.

You're in movies. You're a movie star. This has been the year of movie star Mitch. I know. It's been a good year. You got cast in two movies. Two movies. Who cares if one of them got taken away?

I care. No one cares. Hashtag no day. Hashtag no day. Tweet at Jenregard. Let's get this trending. Thank you. My mail just came.

Oh, that's exciting. No, it's not. God, why is that exciting? Why haven't we made your mail delivery person? We haven't made a mail carrier a character in the show. Should I go chase him down? No, they'll hate that. The guy who was like, when I come to the door,

like 1 p.m. is still in his underwear, wants me to come in and record something. I'll be right back. All right. Cesar has stood up. He is going outside. I assume to have some conversation with his mail carrier. He's approaching the mail carrier.

Okay, now... Did you see that thing where Mayor Pete, that little shit, was involved in... They said no, they were very uncomfortable. Okay. Mayor Pete was involved when he was a consultant with laying off... No, he was advocating for...

It's getting fucking political now. He was advocating for the post office to move to non-union labor and cut a bunch of jobs in a streamlined... He was working for this McKinsey consulting firm, and he was doing all this shitty stuff to fucking undercut the post office. And now he's supposed to be the fucking Democratic

standard bearer, this fucking little... Fucking woody from Toy Story looking piece of shit. Wow. Fuck Mayor Pete. Wow. Mayor Pete sucks. Is this right wing wager? No, this is left wing wager.

Oh, okay, good. No, I don't like Mayor Pete. He's so fucking craven. Just do what in the Simpsons episodes, when they defeat with all the advertisements, he just don't look. Just don't look at Mayor Pete? Yeah.

When he's doing his dance, don't just don't look at him. I don't want to look at the Mayor Pete dance. Would you have Mayor Pete on the podcast? Yeah, we'd have him on. Would you have all of the Democratic candidates on? Is there any you wouldn't? I got a question.

I have a poll for the Doughboys listeners. Okay. This will also get some listeners mad, too, because like when we got... Remember that one guy wrote an email that he was done listening to the show? Which is... Because you were got two political.

Yes. And then also that I alluded to... I said I was going to take Trump out to eat. And people didn't like it. Didn't someone report that to the Secret Service? Yeah, a guy told us that he reported to the Secret Service. That's very funny. I mean, I hope he's not listening still.

It kills me or something. Right. I didn't mean anything. I hope you're still listening. We're just messing around, buddy. We understand that some people use this as an escape from politics, and sometimes the world is in such a state that you can't avoid talking about politics,

and sometimes we talk about food and intersex with politics. If President Trump wanted to come on to Doughboys, what would you do? We'd have to say no, I think. Yeah, I think we say no. But would our listeners want that to happen? I think that... No, I don't think our listeners would want it to happen,

because it'd be like a platform. It'd be like SNL having Trump on. It was like people are upset about that. Or do you think you guys would have it in you to be like real serious journalists? To get him on and grill him. Yeah, grill him and be like, we're not doing any drops,

we're not talking about Quincy, we're talking about these policy points, and it's just like a complete format shift. We're gonna ask him the tough questions. What's better, the Big Mac or the Whopper? Is it true that your hair is a comb over? It's time you answer these questions, Mr. President. We wouldn't have him on.

Yeah, we wouldn't have him on. He's not combing. Yeah, I don't think he would come on. I think he would. Oh, you think he wants to come on? I think he might be the big celebrity listener. I don't know how I feel about that. Why do you always make fun of me?

I can't do a Trump impression. No, that was really good. That was pretty good. I was transported. Do you think that Donald Trump and Bill Clinton ever talked about those boys? I wonder what that would sound like, Mitch. This sucks.

Hey, you listen to the latest episode of Doughboy. They were giving our boy Jeffrey Epstein a hard time. I heard it. I didn't like it. You don't talk about the dead that way. That's good. Yeah, I liked it. Epstein was all this year.

I mean, I know he's been in the news forever, but I mean, it really like his arrest and then murder were just like really took over the news cycle. Yeah. Do you think people are upset about hearing Epstein? When people say we're getting too political, they're like, lay off of Epstein. I got a question for you.

Will Epstein make the Oscars in memoriam this year? I think he's got a fighting chance. He might sneak in there. You could see Ghislaine being in the audience too. They cut to a teary-eyed Ghislaine. Look, she's there with Jason Sudakis for some reason. Like what? They're dating?

I guess. All right, I got a question for you. I don't have a question. I just have a statement. I changed my mind. Today, we were going to go get for Steak and Shake 4. Yes. We were going to go get breakfast at Steak and Shake.

The final frontier, the one thing we have not tasted at Steak and Shake. I got to go to Atlanta tomorrow. We're recording. We're doing 12 hours of Doe Boys today, basically. Yes. It's too much. It's too much.

It's a lot. Because I just found out yesterday that I was going. Yeah, this is just how we had to schedule it. By the way, this is hour one. This is hour one. You'll see. So it's already fucking tanking. Yeah, we should just lie and say this is hour 11 or something.

That's why it's bad. The last frontier, we were going to go to Santa Monica. Convenient for you. Yeah. Meet there at 10 a.m., eat breakfast, come back and record. Take a break, come back and record. Yes, please continue. We switched that up.

I said, let's not do that. Let's go get lunch. Now there's going to be a suss. You want to tell everybody that there's going to be a steak and shake five. Yes. Now to be continued, we're going to go and get breakfast. We'll go back and we'll revisit it.

But for the sake of time and for our sanity, we went back for lunch day, which I think was a good idea. Can we take a step back before we get into this meal, which and maybe we'll do after a break. But I do want you to tell us real quick because you were, you know, people don't maybe don't understand that how much you work on the show and like consulting capacity and you give us a lot of like feedback and info and suggestions and notes

and one of the things you were doing is acting as a producer today. You were finding a steak and shake that had breakfast. You were calling a bunch of them. You called the Compton location. You call the Santa Monica location. They call the Elisa Viejo location, which is a two hour drive. That's true.

And what did you find? Yes. Can I just say that this year he didn't do as much. He wasn't as a producer as much this year. All right. Yeah. He didn't do that much this year. He's got a kid.

He's very busy. He had a kid. He was on Brooklyn nine nine. Uh-huh. I know Dan. I know you love the show, but you stole our suss away. You got a fire for next season. He's got deli boys distracting him.

Now he's got his own podcast empire. I think that I was, you know, I think I was pretty involved still for not being as involved. The real thing that fell off is I wasn't at as many of the meals as I am, which really did break my heart. I hope you guys believe me when I tell you that. Yeah. You go back and listen to episode from 2017 and it's just

like Eugene Cordero being like, yeah, we were at lunch and like Susser was there for some reason. One of the best things that it's just exists for some reason. Yeah. Um, but you have Eugene back. Eugene's great. Got to have Eugene back. Enforcer Spoon Nation.

Yeah. You've got to come back. Eugene's in the Mandalorian. Yeah. Now it makes, it makes sense. The Enforcer Spoon Nation. Was that what it was? I forgot what his title was.

I thought he had something nautical. Was it not? He was captain. Oh, he was. Maybe I think he was the captain of Spoon Nation. This is deep Doughboys lore that we don't even know. Yeah. Um, but, uh, but so what was the question?

You were calling all these, you were calling all this, the the steak and shakes and they all had different answers. So I had a big idea that if you were going to do steak and shake again, we had to do something different. And I pitched the idea of doing breakfast. Everyone liked that idea in the time that I came up with that idea. Yeah.

And which was about two months ago. Mm hmm. Several locations seemed to have closed. Yes. A bunch of them. A bunch of them that were around where we were going to go. Including the Victorville one as I mentioned in the intro. Yeah.

So then I started calling some places to see if any had breakfast. The Burbank location that we went to does not serve breakfast. The Santa Monica location I called and they said, yeah, we literally said, we kind of serve breakfast. And I was like, what does that mean? Yeah. There's like a breakfast sandwich and you can also get like eggs,

I guess. And I was like, well, that doesn't really seem that inspiring. Yeah. And then there was the other one. Where did you say? Elisa VA. Yeah. They seem to have like, oh, you can get pancakes.

You can do the whole thing, but that is two hours away. And we would have had to be there before 11 a.m. Uh, and just to like that was the idea in theory. And then in reality, we went to Burbank, which is very close and both Mitch and Nick were over 15 minutes late. We were late today. So I was at 12 p.m. I think I was like 13 minutes late.

No. Incorrect. I was 15. Yeah. I was probably on the dot. Yes. In my defense, I'm checked out. 15 minutes.

This is the last record of the year. Fucking done. And you know, as I say in the Irishman, 15 minutes is saying something. Wow. Wow. So, but you know that I heard speaking of the biggest celebrity fan.

I heard that DeNiro listens, listen to dough boys to warm up, pump himself up for the Irishman during filming. Great. Anyway, we just fucked it went to Burbank as long as the Irishman is like one dough boys episode. Are we into the meal? We put out an Irishman. We put out one Irishman every week.

It's not quite an Irishman every week. We do with the double. It's like, oh yeah, we do with the double and the episode. We put out an Irishman every week. You fucking lazy fucks. Joe Pesci. You make an Irishman after what 20 years? We put it.

We put out a new Irishman there every year, every day, every week. The dough boys and Irishman a week. That works with me too. Oh, I got news news. My sauce. That was a fake. What's the news?

What's the news? Ancestry.com updated my DNA profile. You don't have any wise-ass remarks to say? It turns out you're 100% that bitch. It turns out I am 100% Irish. Wow. I got 100%. You're pure blood.

I'm pure blood. Because I thought at one point you said my mom's Irish. You weren't confident about your paternal side, but you're fully Irish. I got to tell you, since I found out, kind of got a bit of a hatred for Muggles. Muggles? The Harry Potter.

The Harry Potter. They're half-bloods. You don't know this? I hate these movies and I know this. I thought Muggles were just non-magical people. That's what I thought too. Oh, for fuck's sake, what are the half-bloods called? By the way, when you said I've got a hatred for a...

Like at that syllable, I was very worried. Jesus. But then I was like, well, how would this be a chain? So here's what we're going to do. Mitch is not racist or anything like that. That's a joke. Okay, what are we going to do, Wager? I was going to say...

Muggle is just a... Oh, mudblood. Mudblood, a non-magical person, right? Oh, that is. What is the mixed person who's half-magic and half-not-magic? I don't think that exists in the Harry Potter. It does exist. I don't know if there's a name for it.

Search for half-magical creature or Harry Potter. By the way, some fucking Harry Potter dork with a fucking Quidditch tattoo is just screaming at us right now. Yeah. They're on the Stairmaster at their gym. They're called Whizbanks. How don't they know Whizbanks? Can you please stop crying on the Stairmaster next to me?

What do you got, Wager? I was going to say we should take... What we should do is we should take a break. We should come back and we'll talk about steak and shake. We'll talk about our most recent visit to steak and shake. And I'm going to do a little tease here. When we get back from break, Evan Susser is going to tell us

if the Sonic the Hedgehog movie, indeed, includes a romance between Blaze the Cat and Wave the Swallow. We'll be right back with more Doughboys. Welcome back to Doughboys. We're here with Evan Susser. Steak and Shake 4 is on the menu. Susser, how about it?

Well, that's a weird question. I think we have to address the teaser. Yes. That's what it is. That's what it is. The Sonic. The Sonic the Hedgehog teaser. Blaze the Cat, Wave the Swallow.

Is there a romance? You know, Nick, all these years, I've been coming on this show. Yes. Yeah. It was announced I was writing the Sonic the Hedgehog movie. That's right.

Every time I come on, you ask me a question about it. Yes. And I say I'm not at liberty to say. Yes. The movie is coming out in about two months. I'm at liberty to say. Wow.

I'm at liberty to say that this is not the Sonic movie that I wrote. Wow. It's not to say that there's a negative thing. It's just a different movie. I don't have credit on this movie, even though you've introduced me as having credit, even though it's something you've known

for a significant time and continue to ask these questions, even though it's a sore spot for me. When we recorded the prequel episode, which people will hear in the new year, I believe. No, that'll be the final double of this year.

Okay, they'll hear that, which was recorded before this, but it's coming out after. You just asked me again, even though you knew the whole situation, and I just made a joke. But enough's enough. So that's what the situation is.

Mitch complaining about his movie that he almost shot. I wrote a whole movie. I flew to Tokyo. I, you know, did this whole thing. My partner talk to executives and talk to a Sega executives into writing doing the movie movie comes out.

Jim Carrey is in it. One of my childhood heroes. Okay. It releases a trailer that the Internet is outraged over. Somebody stop me. I make changes to it. And then a few months ago,

I find out officially no credit on this movie. And it's WGA makes a decision. I respect the WGA. The WGA asked me to fire my agent. I happily did it. They asked me to fire anyone else. I will do it.

I will end my friendship with you guys. WGA asked me to, in a heartbeat. So this is not, this is the point of being awkward. Yes. That you keep asking me about it. It's gotten to the point where I

feel a little bad for the people who have received writing credit. That this other person is so Wow, associated with this episode is the Wyger and Susser blow up. Is this the blow up to it's not the blow up to, but I just felt like I had to address it.

Yes. So you can keep asking me these questions about it. But I felt like I had to say something. Yeah. Hashtag snow Nick that Sonic with an N.O. in the middle of it. So I hope you like snow Nick.

I hope you like coming up with those cute fucking questions. I've actually had a blast. But that's what it is. Yeah. One guy and one guy only fucking Wyger. It's working out for me. It's working out for me. But just to be a little sincere

for a second. Obviously. I just made Union Minimum working on a Disney Plus show. I think Hollywood's working out for me. But truly this is to be sincere. Yes. Obviously it's to work on a movie regardless of if it comes out good. If it comes out bad to work on a big movie

and it comes out and there are trailers and there are commercials and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Even if your version is not really the version of Get Made it's a bummer to have worked on something been so close to something like that I'm not going to say that it's not. But and I mean this sincerely

I was thinking about it while I was driving over and I knew that you were going to ask me about it even though you've known the situation that you should have continued to do it. But you know the situation for months and months. But I was thinking

if I had to choose because it kind of has lined up. Yes. From when I've been working the life of that movie because podcasts have lined up. That's true. And if I had to choose between being one of six writers

on the Sonic the Hedgehog movie or having my position as commissioner of the Doe Boys podcast being a regular guest and being in the Doe Boys war room and being a part of this thing for such a long time so intimately involved

if I had to choose I would pick Sonic. Yeah. Yeah, that really wasn't presented for you. No, I would pick Doe Boys because it has been such a pleasure to be a part of this. To have seen this thing grow.

I feel like my even though obviously you guys are so much more of the captains, I'm just the little devil on the shoulder giving my opinion. I was confused because we were on a ship for a second and you were a devil on our side. Well, the metaphor is not perfect.

It's been very fun. I'm very glad I am back here for Steak and Shake 4. We're going to talk about the food again. And it was a good that you brought it up because I needed to address it because I came on this podcast and talked all about writing the movie. People still ask me about it.

About getting the job. So it is kind of awkward at some point. You have to, you know, people are so you have to say something. Yeah, and that is the reality of showbiz to give you credit. You gave us a warning that this might happen in season one. Yes. Which is a very normal thing to happen.

Yes. That kind of is how it goes. And there are high highs and then other things that aren't as good. But I still, it was a fun movie to work on. I've had other fun opportunities since that's kind of the way it goes. Yeah. Well, I'm boycotting it. Yeah. No. Along with no day.

Hashtag snow day. Hashtag snow day. Hashtag snow day. I would say. Hashtag snow day. Yeah, go ahead. Hashtag snow day. Go see the film snow day. I was just going to say if the shoe was on the other foot and I was given the choice between

Doughboys and being credited on the Sonic movie. Sonic movie in a hard way. Be the easiest decision in the world for me. Not do this podcast and get to write a fucking. Oh, fuck you. Sonic movie would be rad. Hey, Mitch. I like how the Sonic looked before they changed him.

You liked him with the teeth. I love your one big contribution. You did tell me. They're right in the script that they look like. You got to show his teeth. Give him some chompers. Give him some pearly whites. Yeah, I should have said we and we had credit until that point. The trailer came out. They took the teeth out.

They took out the credit as well with the teeth. Yeah. But you got to, is it true you got to keep the teeth? Yes. They gave you a baggie. That's cool that they're physical teeth from a computer generated model. Yeah, that's one of the reasons being so delayed. Yeah, that seems like a big production challenge.

Just out of floating teeth on set. Hey, so Snake and Shake is a Golden Plate Club member. We've reviewed it three times. I don't believe it got pulled from the Golden Plate Club the last time we visited. I could be wrong. No one remembers. No one can go back and look. Whatever. We'll just take that as fucking canon.

I think it did lose out of the Golden Plate Club. Look, this is a J.J. Ryan Johnson handoff where we're just going to ignore what happened before. We're just going to say that things are different now. So yeah, it was at the Golden Plate Club and we'll see where it goes now.

Founded in Normal, Illinois, like we said, a Midwest staple, expanded nationwide the past decade. And we talked about Sardar Baglari, who also owns a stake in Cracker Barrel who took over the company in 2008 and kind of altered its fate for better and for worse. Made it accessible to us, certainly.

They're now West Coast outposts, but the quality and certainly the sales have declined. So let's talk about our visit. We went to the Burbank location. I got to say that I think it was genius that we went back there. Look, is this based out of my...

The most convenient option was genius. Was it because, yes, I didn't want to wake up early. I'm going to probably be up till 7 a.m. tonight packing to go back home. Yeah, that might be a part of it. And I didn't want to wake up at 9 a.m. to drive to Santa Monica, which Nick does every day

to go to stake in Cracker Barrel. I just think we all knew that, like, you were going to show up at 11.15. Yeah, I wasn't going to work out. It was just inevitable. There was no way you were going to be there. I wouldn't have been that late.

You would have not been on time in time to get breakfast. There's no chance. I think it would have been tricky. Look, what we did was way better. And I got to say this, Nick. I will say, I offered to pick you up and drive you to Burbank. And you said, no, I think I'm good. Which, when I offer

that just means, no, I think I'll rather be late. And I even texted everyone. I'm like, I'm going to leave now to be on time. But it feels like I'm just going to be waiting for you guys. I did tell you that I was going to be late when I was there. I got a lot going on right.

You know what? Right now in my life, I think that I can be excused for this, right? You're about to go back to, you got to go to one of your two movies. Okay, just the one. You can't start making fun of this. It's funny. You have the thing that people want that you work towards

and then they took it away. Because you wouldn't shave your beard. No, I would shave it. Refuse to shave. My beard is who I am. No, I couldn't do it. I wasn't allowed to. It was frustrating. I wanted to shave it off. You have to have a beard contractually

for the Tomorrow War. Is it the Tomorrow War or just Tomorrow War? The Tomorrow War, I believe. I'll lose the thud. It's cleaner. But you had to have a beard for the Tomorrow War and you weren't allowed to have a beard. I wasn't allowed to shave it. And it was you know when you should have one day

you should have when you were on set you should have improvised and been like, it's so hot fighting this war. I got to shave. And then they're like, wait a minute, this scene is 12 minutes into the movie. It's going to create continuity

issues. It's so hot. Being here in Tomorrow. We're not filming chronologically. We can throw my beard hairs at the enemy. Think about it. I can't tell you how close to write you out with that

with that guess of what the movie is. I was frustrated. You know this. I was very depressed by this. I wanted to shave my beard. I was like begging. I begged like a like a pathetic man. Please help me.

Nothing worked. One way is that you didn't get what you wanted. That's one way to look at it. On the other way to look at it is you both didn't get what you wanted and lost your respect and look pathetic to multiple people.

So, you know. Kind of depends how you look at it. Wyger, help me out here. That's a bullshit that actors have to go through. You shouldn't have had to grovel for your job for something that you already got hired to do. I stated it fine before.

Now we're getting into too petty. It's fine. Tomorrow is going to be great. Let's talk about steak and shake. Let's talk about the food. Mitch, you got the prime steak burger. I've got the description here. Are thick and juicy, six ounce steak burger

on a bakery fresh brioche bun, American cheese, lettuce, tomato, onion, pickle. Served with fries. This bad boy came dry. Am I wrong? It did come dry. Yeah. It's like a Doughboy sexual partner. Arrive dry. That's not coming.

Yes. Dry. Dry as hell. Wait, but like coming like orgasming? Like dry? It was dry. He said like a Doughboy sexual partner. Yes. Yeah. Confused it. Yeah.

C. O. M. I. N. G. is what he was saying. Yeah. But unlike a Doughboy's sexual experience, the bacon was thick and hard. It said that's what it said on the side. It was a very weird thing. That is very strange.

It was like like hard or thick. It was like a week. It's a thick thick. But then it also said like like like there was it wasn't even crispy. There was another weird word for it. Anyways, it was dry. Let us tomato, onion, and then there was ketchup and mustard at the table.

A thick burger patty. This thing looked bigger than any of the other burgers I'd had there before. Yes. Look, it was dry, but I got to tell you, I put some ketchup and mustard on there and it was pretty tasty. It was just like kind of a classic clean tasting burger. It certainly was easy

on the eyes. It looked like a good burger. It was by the books, it kind of reminded me of like a diner burger and it tasted good. I think that their buns, their buns are still like a little too shiny. The brioche buns are kind of like a little too shiny into whatever.

The taste of the bun is whatever. Right. But yeah, it was a decent burger wags. Susser, your burger, you went with the... Wait, remind me which one you got. Yeah, grilled portobello in Swiss, grilled portobello mushrooms, melted Swiss,

caramelized onion and garlic mayo. How'd that one treat you? You know what? It was pretty good. I think it was, and maybe someone will tell me I'm wrong, I thought it was maybe one of the few burgers that I had not had on the menu and I wanted to try something different. But I thought it was pretty good.

You know, just kind of... It was... I was a little bit like kind of exhausted to be there. It kind of felt a little stupid. I'm like, why are we even doing this? We've just been to this exact place before. We're not even doing

a thing we haven't done. It's just kind of a log of food. But then when I was eating it, I was like, yeah, that's pretty good. The fries that came with it, I was not particularly impressed by. But the burger, pretty good. I agree. There's something with the bun

that I feel like could be better. So the fries are very skinny. The fries with this particular batch did not compare to your steak and shake. I think these were a little worse. But also, I never particularly liked them. You've never really liked their shakes. Their fries, rather.

Shakes are another issue. I got the chili mac supreme, which despite the use of the word mac, is in fact spaghetti. It's chili with chili over it, rather. Spaghetti. Not macaroni. And it's got a...

chili, cheese, onions. It's their beans. The five ways, and then what's the... The fifth might be spaghetti sauce. But it's very tomato-y. It's good chili. Honestly, I like this quite a bit. It was very filling. It felt like a... my favorite meal when I was like nine years old.

Like, if I got this as a kid, I would love it. And getting as an adult, I was like, you know, this is still pretty good. Little waggy. Yeah, I think little waggy would lap that up. Put it in my... What's the instrument you played? Put it in my bassoon? Put it in my bassoon.

I'll sneak it, sir. What do you mean, weird? It's weird that you're imagining him wanting chili in his bassoon. It's weird. I think it's good. Like, I'm using my ombra shirt to suck individual spaghetti strands through the mouthpiece? Yes.

All right. I don't think it would work. I will say I one time did have a huge chili, cheese, fries, like, just before an orchestra concert when I was playing clarinet, and my stomach was gurgling very, very loudly on stage.

But I also don't want to get up because I have a heart on. Like, the chili cheese fries? Maybe hard? We're performing clarinet in front of an audience. All right. I like the chili mac a lot. I think it's great, and I like that they have it there. And honestly, one of the things that bums me out

about the Sardar Baglari Takeover is that this place, Baglari has bragged about reducing the menu of this chain, that it used to have this sprawling eight-page menu, and he cut it down to two pages, like, focusing on burgers and fries, and I feel like part of the charm of this place, Susser, you're a guy,

you're someone who went to this place as a kid a lot, is that it has, like, such a big menu. Does it get more in college, correct? Correct. Yes. But I like that they have elements like this still there. I like that they still have the chili and the chili mac. We also got a, yes, go on.

I was saying that, like, one of the best things that could happen for the Doughboys universe is President Biglari. Is if Biglari became president. Right. Sardar Baglari ascends to the highest office in the land. Why would that be good for the Doughboys? Because it would just be a very,

because we could do steak and jake six. We could do, you know, we could do a Sardar Baglari impression of him talking to Clinton being upset about Epstein. You know, it'd be good for the podcast. Bill, you got to come in and try my Biglari steak and shake.

He also sounds like Trump. We also got the classic footlong and fries, which is a big, it says topped with mustard, but it also came dry. However, there's mustard and ketchup on the tables. And the, you know, the old school mustard and ketchup

containers, I was like, maybe I'll just get some of those for my home. Those are a lot of fun. The red ones. I got some big orange, red and yellow ketchup and mustard containers. I actually think it's not that weird. It's kind of a fun thing to do. Yeah.

If you ever had any guests at your where you live, it's kind of weird if it's you and Natalie. If it's like you have a house or an apartment where you're having people over and you're cooking up burgers, and it's like, you know, ten people like, hey, grab some ketchup and mustard for just you and Natalie.

It's like you're making your house or restaurant. But also Natalie is one for the two of us. Natalie has also made the decision to make her life so weird by being married to you. And I guess that it's all good. It's good to do it. Nick, as a hog enthusiast,

what do you think of that footlong? I tell you, it's a substantial piece of pipe. I feel like I was looking at a Jason Derulo selfie in 2020, Nick. Yeah. Will you invite me and Mitch over to your apartment? Have you guys want to come?

Would you want to? I don't want to drive across town for you. I would. OK. I don't know if I want to go in there. I don't know. I mean, I just don't know what we would do. We could watch a basketball game. It's like it's like going over to the principal's house.

You see me in street clothes. Don't you think it's weird that you've never been to where he's I remember when he got this last place and he moved above someone I know, an actor who's been on Parks and Rec. We could say his name. Great dude. Kiff. Yeah. Kiff. He's a great dude.

And in that time, I remember when he moved there, you have moved again and no one went to your house. One person went to my house. I think you dropped something off. Came to pick something up. Did he go inside? No, he was stayed on the street. That's insane. That's insane.

What was he going to do? What was he going to do inside? No one's come in there. Now he's had friends over. Oh my God. What are you going to say, Sus? This is insane. It's weird.

What am I supposed to do? You're going to come over to my house? What are you going to do? There's a living room. Well, take care. What are you doing? What's going to happen? I'm going to come over and look at your living room and leave. No, you fucking idiot. Inviting someone over to your home is an expression of intimacy that you do

with your close friends. Yes. That it just is like you don't have to hang there all the time. Yes, but it's a little. Take this knowledge back to your home planet to the white garrians. You fucking crazy piece of shit. Just like if your friend has a child, you try to meet that child. I tried to do that. We tried to set that up.

We did try. Yeah, there was a lot of issues with baby Susser. Yeah. Baby Susser schedule conflicts with Weigars didn't work out. I'll come over right now. No, you're not welcome. She's grown. She's grown. She's grown.

She's talks. She's she's graduating from high school. Yeah. Wow. I've grown in the grade. When you're coming over, why girl? I don't know. Anyway, make it awkward then

I've grown to since this even though those three years we've grown since I mean physically we've gotten larger. Our hearts do. Back to the food. Yes. The classic for long fries is a big old piece of meat and I tell

you that was a great dog. The only thing that I found aesthetically displeasing is that it comes in this gigantic trough and it was a little tilted because it was bigger than the tray and all the grease was pooling at one end. So it was a lot. It looks super gross. It tasted great and then I was like, is the juice

is that good? I don't like the juice. The juice is kind of good. The juice is hot dog flavored water. There was a little nub left at the end. We were all taking communal bites for this one dog. Did you dunk the nub? Yeah, I did the little nub. It was a little soft up with the juice. I didn't dunk it

but it had been soft up. I didn't intentionally go in the but the nub was great. I thought the dog was really good and crisp after the dub but also I wish there were some relish. We probably could have asked for some but there was just a ketchup monster. We didn't mention one item

is the chicken sandwich. They have a spicy or grilled chicken sandwich. It's kind of the year of chicken sandwiches. They really had a moment in fast food this year. 2019, the year of the chicken sandwich. It kind of was the year of the chicken sandwich. We got the spicy chicken sandwich which was breaded

and fries. The foot long comes with fries. The chicken sandwich comes with fries. The burgers I think you have to add fries. Wait, no, the burgers do come with fries as a default. So there's a lot of fries here. We were kind of like... You hate fries.

No, I love fries. I'm a big time fry fan. We were just kind of overwhelmed with fries. We had a lot of fries. Sounds like you don't like them still. I love them. I think that the steak and shake fries are little puny fries. They're little shoestring fries. They're like... Tungus? Yes, I was just going to say

Tungus. You were going to say they're Tungus's pubes? I was going to say they're Tungus's pubes, yeah. Of course, what's us? It's just crazy. Tungus's pubes? No, we're just doing this. We just slipped right into it. A little secret. We took a break. We took a break.

We took a six hour break. Crazy stuff has happened. The house almost burned down. Something weird happened where my nest alarm... I have cameras in a smoke alarm. We recorded a bunch. I had a meeting with my writing partner, Van Robucho. It's true.

My R2-D2 fucking... We took a break in the most inopportune, talking about the food. We're just going to slide back into it. We just went right into chicken sandwich. Anyway, the chicken sandwich I didn't think was that great. It's not that it's not very good. I thought you guys were being a little hard to it.

The patty itself was close to the Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich. It had a good crunch to it, but I think it was under-seasoned. A lot of these places, it's frozen. Which, whatever, I can get on board with that. I don't know. I also have gotten really into the spicy chicken sandwiches

like Helen Ray's that they have out here and the other good places. A Nashville chicken sandwich. I'll say that I think the Wendy's chicken sandwich formula I really only like in terms of it's got a patty. It's got lettuce and tomato I only like

at Wendy's. In every other place I've seen it executed like the deluxe one, they have a Chick-fil-A. I don't like as much as their regular. The Popeye's chicken sandwich just got pickles and spread and that's all it needs. More chicken sandwich in general. Fair. That's fair. I thought it was fine. It wasn't great.

Again, it was like weirdly. This did have mayo on it, but like weirdly kind of plain again. I don't understand why they don't put more sauces on their stuff. And maybe this is a big lorry situation. Which by the way, wait, we already talked about this. We already talked about President Big Lorry.

See, now we're not pros anymore. You threw us off, Sus. Well, that was really just you. I'm writing in in the next election. We really had a mind mill on the Tungus's pubes thing. We did. We certainly did. I mean, we're both hacks now. We've melded into one fucking shitty hack.

Also, my R2-D2 fucking timer, kitchen timer, melted on the oven. Because we turned it on without moving it off. I blame you, Weiger, because you turned it on, I think, didn't you? Yeah, I did turn it on. Yeah, so you didn't move the R2-D2 timer and it melted. The R2-D2 timer is doing it in a place where it's going to be melted by the oven. It's the oven sucks.

And so you got to move it when you turn on the oven. But why do you keep it there? Why don't you put it somewhere else? Because that's where it stays. And then I move it when I turn on the oven. It doesn't make any sense to you. You melted my R2-D2 timer. I'm sorry for melting your R2-D2 timer, but I think it's kind of bananas that you don't just find a place to keep it.

That's insane. I think you just don't use the oven very often. I think that's what the issue is. It is true. I don't use it often. What the fuck is this shit? That's what this is really all about. I want to talk to you about how you should cook more. You should fucking move my R2-D2 kitchen timer.

I didn't know that it was in a place where it's going to get melted. It melted. It's a kitchen timer? Yeah. That's bad design on there, part that it's so meltable. Yeah, I agree. Well, you did it anyway. It's a gift. Look, it's everyone's fault, but mine. It's your fault for leaving it on there.

It's their fault for making something so meltable. It's special. Everyone's fault, but mine. It's the general electric company's fault for making an oven that R2-D2 doesn't even melt in the Star Wars movies unless it happens in the Rise of Skywalker. Who knows? Do you have

Toy Story themes, paper towels? Yeah, he does. This has been a discussion before on the podcast. What's wrong with that? I guess I don't listen as closely as I used to. There's no reason to. It's a throwaway detail. I get a fucking pack. Smoke alarms are going off. R2-D2 is fucking melting.

The cats are meowing in the other room. I'm now nervous leaving them wigs. Do you, like, crank off? Do you bust in the Toy Story paper towels? The hell? Am I standing here in the kitchen cranking off? I'm just saying, like, do you take a few, like, you take a handful and, like,

you're busting all over Buzz Lightyear? Susser's leaving. Is he leaving? Yeah, Susser's leaving. Susser went to the other room. I don't know what's going on exactly. He does! I found him! I found him in his room! I need to go check on the cats because

Susser just burst into my room to do a bit. Buzz Lightyear's face is covered in cum. Oh, boy, so paranoid. The cats are fine. The cats are fine. He's gonna burn them down because... Susser, do you... Did you have a good meeting with Van?

Did you discuss the Sonic issue with him? That I was gonna talk about it on the podcast? Yeah. Yeah, I did. How did you feel? He was fine with it. Okay. I haven't talked to Van. I mean, you guys must be both a little bit. It just seems, it's such a frustrating process when you can't, when you work on something

and then ultimately an external body. We've moved beyond that. I'm just saying. Let's get back to the food. Well, Mitch got up. You got up and then Mitch got up. We had to talk about something. Turn on my oven. Don't touch my oven. I turned it on because we needed it. You melted my R2-D2. I'll get you a new one. Yeah, that's what I want to hear.

Did you like the shake? No, you won't. Yeah, I did like the shakes. The shakes were good. We had two shakes. We had the... You just have so much shit here. What do you want me to do? I haven't been back. It's the one thing I care about.

I haven't been back. This is insane. I have to leave again tomorrow. What do you want me to do? I'm losing my fucking mind. I'm sorry I melted your timer. You shouldn't have. I feel like you should find another place for it, but it was my fault. Let's have the...

Okay, I'm going to put it in the fucking fridge. How's that? Put it on the counter. There's too much stuff in the kitchen right now. That's also your fault? No, it's not. I've been gone for three months. There's dough boy shit everywhere. There's now... From our good friend Ryan Perez, there's now a J.J. on my table.

Yeah, there's a J.J. Abrams Funko Pop figurine. Get him out of here. He should melt. R2 melts, but... No. Okay. Should we melt J.J. in the oven? Let's... As... As the one... Jew here, I...

I feel uncomfortable with the direction that this is heading. Is J.J. Jewish? I don't know. Abrams? I don't know. Doesn't seem not Jewish. No. Anyway, don't do a hate crime. Yeah, it didn't mean in an anti-semitic way.

Well, I'll tell you that way. Why was my smoke alarm going off? Anyways, I liked... I did... Maybe it's because your... Maybe it was your alarm... Your fucking timer melting. Do you think that's what it is? It probably was the timer melting.

But we didn't smell any smoke from it. There's no way this timer melting. Your smoke set the... What? Are you playing video? What are you watching? No, it was my nest. I opened it up again, and it's the video of us. It's just us screaming? Posted. It's me and Susser booking it to the sidewalk.

I'm standing outside. It won't let me silence it. It probably was. It was probably the plastic that was burning. This episode... There was no smoke. We hadn't started the oven yet. Yes, he had. No, we hadn't. No, we hadn't. Yeah, you're right. It probably has sent you...

Who's gonna fucking melt my Archery D2? Pre-cog fire. Can I say that you blamed the fire alarm going off on me backing into your mirror with my chair? Well, first of all, you shouldn't back into the mirror with a chair. That was just you looking for me to blame. We moved the...

We moved the table away from the mirror, yet you still do it. I have, like, no room back here. You got... Do you see how Cloud tightly tucked Diane back here? I'm a large man. You got fucking fat, my friend. You can't fit back into your little spot anymore. That's not the reason. Yes, it is the reason. That's not the reason. I can't even extend my legs

under here. That has nothing to do with me being fat. If you weren't a fucking tubby, you wouldn't fucking knock the chair into the mirror. Mitch, Weiger actually has gained weight, so I don't think it's nice when you make fun of his weight anymore. He's got... Like, seriously, he's got him pretty tubby. Yeah, I've got it. I've gained a lot of weight.

I don't think it's getting me in. That's fair. Am I fat enough where I can make fat guy jokes again? I say, you're welcome back. Oh, all right. I'm no longer a weight trader. Welcome back, you fucking fat piece of shit. So, back to the milkshake. Yes. Yeah.

So, we had two. We got two of them. We got the Oreo Cookies and Cream Red Velvet, which is a specialty flavor, and we also got the M&Ms, which looked delectable. Like, just... The M&Ms, it was like, now we're talking. Yeah, that one looked great. But I will say, in practice, Mitch, you had a great observation about the M&M shake.

Mm-hmm. Too big. The M&Ms, like Weigar, they're too big. They were too big and unlike Weigar, too hard. They were... They were just very, like, they were too... Oh, yeah, that was my issue. They were too hard. Yeah, they were too big and too hard.

They were too big and too hard. That is definitely nothing I can relate to. Anyway. Biting into them, they hurt your teeth. Yeah, they hurt your teeth. And we were saying the McDonald's one worked so well, they made a good point. They used the smaller ones. They used the baking-sized M&Ms

in the McFlurry, I believe. And that's just a better execution of the... Even though the ice cream was higher quality, this was just... The mix-ins were too frozen and too big. It was just awkward to eat. Mm-hmm. I agreed with this. Yes.

And I definitely preferred the red velvet shake better, which we'll get to. But when I stopped, by the end, I stopped thinking about it as a milkshake with M&Ms. And I thought about it as cold M&Ms surrounded by ice cream. Yeah.

And I was like, you know what, I'm liking these spoonfuls. It was... Yeah. So I did kind of, like, it grew on me, even though it's wrong. They've done something wrong here, but I also kind of liked it. It wasn't bad. I would say I enjoyed it, but it was a little awkward to eat.

But you're right that if you think of it more of a Sunday or more of an ice cream treat, the Oreo Cookies and Cream Red Velvet I thought was all in run. I loved it. It was great. I thought it was delicious. It honestly, I thought... Because I love, I don't know if you guys like red velvet cake. Mm-hmm. I love it. I think it's great.

I do like it. Usually the flavor red velvet I don't like. And I think if it tastes like artificial, if it's like an ice cream or something like that. Mm-hmm. But it was really good. Yeah. I don't know if I was 100% like, oh, this is definitely red velvet.

But it was just very good. I agree with that. Right. And I really enjoyed it. I could have like just had a ton of that. Yeah. Well, here's the issue here. I mean, we should get we should we should get to our review. Yeah. But here's the issue for me is it was

pretty good. Shake and shake overall. Yeah, big larry. Let's just get into it. Yes. We sure you want to get to our final thought. Let's get to our final thoughts. So we'll go around. Let's get to our closing argument and give this a score

from zero to five forks. Susser, a long time patron of the steak and shake franchise. Your closing remark, your fork score for this visit. Man, guys, I don't even know. I'm so turned around by it. It was while I was

waiting for you guys for 15 minutes. A woman walked by with a younger teenager person. Oh, there's a sting. Have you ever been? I said, no. It's pretty good. You said no. No, no, no.

This was a conversation I dropped on. And she said, it's pretty good. And I can't disagree with that. Yeah. But it doesn't really deliver. It's still even though look and maybe I'm stuck in my ways. But it's still it hasn't

completely rebranded. It's still kind of holding on to the past and the refineries kind of thing. But then they have this like slimmed down menu. And the fries are not great. It's kind of expensive for what it is.

There's not table service. Table service. I'm not even though the food is good. I'm not surprised that it's kind of struggling. Because it kind of feels like what is it anymore? Right.

It's like, you know, when you say Shake Shack, which is also like, you know, in Burbank, it was like right around there. Why would you go here as opposed to a lot of other restaurants? Yeah. It doesn't have like a diverse enough menu that's like, oh, well, and, you know, people aren't really

coming here for chili. I don't think it's not. It doesn't have enough variety. And I don't know if it can really compete with like the best premium burger places. Right. Yeah, I agree with that. I think I would have to give it

three forks, three tines. Wow, three forks, three tines just on the outside looking at it. Three and three quarter forks. Yeah. Wow. All right, Mitch, go ahead. You leaned your head against the microphone momentary.

It's just to gather yourself. It's a chaotic end of the year wigs. This is the real chaos energy on this episode. Well, no, I think actually the first half of the episode is pretty calm, energetic. We're talking about things or maybe a little all over the place. Yeah. But I think a good energy

now it's now it's the dark side. Yeah, just like Rise of Skywalker. We're getting a little bit of and I don't know if those are done, by the way. No, I was just peeking out. Okay, no peeking. No peeking. I was peeking.

I was peeking. Look, Big Laurie was introduced into the mix. We went to Victorville where yes, outside it was a lot like a scene from that movie Twister. Mm hmm. Today,

it was like a lot like that movie A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood. It was a nice little day out. What, that doesn't fucking work for you? No, I think that's good. I was just processing it. I was, I didn't know if you meant like literally because it was a beautiful day in the neighborhood, like just taking the title at face value or if you're making

some sort of Mr. Rogers reference. But when I understood what you meant, I thought I was like, it's good. It's really good. God. I wish Mr. Rogers could meet you because I think he'd be like, you be the one person on Earth. He'd be like, fuck you, Nick. Who's, who's this door? These guys are fucking a loser.

Eat shit. What's that, what's that Daniel Tiger? You think Wiger is a pussy? Yes, I do. Anyways. Big Larry came in. Yeah. Look, when you drop sus into the dough boys

and makes things better. A little bit of sus goes along. What goes a long way? It doesn't insult now. Sorry. Most people probably would agree with that. Adding sus to the mix. It's like making a big stew. It tastes great.

Big Larry mixing into this, into this, into steak and shake. It's, it's not as good. Yes. The equation is off. We have to go back for breakfast. We have to revisit a real steak and shake. We, yeah, we need one with table service. This is, look.

I strung it. I struggle with a lot of restaurants on this podcast. It's hard to figure out where they lie. This is probably the biggest. This is probably the one that's maybe the toughest to review of all of them. It's an enigma. It's why we keep going back.

It is why we keep going back. But I want them to look to the future because we too got to look to the future. Nick, it's 2020. Right. It's going to be the year 2020. And I think we got to solve steak and shake in this new year and move on from it. I think we got to finally figure out

what the deal is with this place. Give it a final fork review. In 2020, we need to finally see steak and shake with perfect clarity. That's, I agree. And it's time. It's time to move on. And is it time to move on from steak and shake?

Or do they stay with their tried and too classic and have that menu because you're right. They're in an in-between place and they're not moving on. They're fucking up. They're closing. Victorville is closed. They're an eight seed in the NBA playoffs. They're neither rebuilding or

winning a championship. They got to do something. I'm looking ahead. I'm looking to the future this year. I hope that steak and shake does too. And I think that we're going to figure it out when we go and visit. I'm going to give it three forks and three times as well. What's going to be the hand holding club with us. Wow. The burgers didn't have any sauce on it.

Like, come on. Some weird decisions. Just some weird and the menu. The burger was pretty delicious but it just tasted like a classic diner burger. If I went to a diner and got that burger I'd be like, hey, this is pretty good. That's the level of what it was. But shouldn't it be more?

Well, that's what I keep coming back to. I mean, but the food was good. That's what I mean. We were sitting there. That point to me is the big one because we were sitting there and we kept going. You know what? This is pretty good. We kept saying that. I enjoyed.

The chicken sandwich was a weak point because the fries are serviceable. The footlong was great. I had that and I was like, I wish I'd gotten just the big footlong for myself or I'd gotten the chili cheese footlong. It's a very good grilled hot dog. I agree.

And it feels like high quality meat. The chili mac was good. The chili mac supreme I enjoyed. I liked the chili spaghetti. I thought it was, you know, again, it was very flavorful and delicious and filling. I thought it was like a great unique item

that they had there. I wish they had more of those unique elements on the menu instead of just being so burger dominated. Because really like two thirds of the menu is just burgers and I feel like they got it. Either diverse. They haven't streamlined enough

so now it's just like they have some weird scattered remnants from their old menu. But I love the shakes. I don't know. I'm going to say three and a half but I feel like I'm in the same I'm going to go in the hand holding club with you guys because I'm also so indecisive

that I feel like I need the company of all of us. I feel like we need to be together on this journey so I'm going to say three forks three times. I feel like that is where this place belongs. It's not quite in the platinum or the golden plate club but it's certainly not bad.

It's quite good. Interesting. Oh and this is another thing. They have a tip jar for cash but you cannot tip on the card which I love to cash tip but I hate it when places do that because it's like let us tip on the card

if you don't have cash because otherwise those employees are just getting the short shrift in terms of tips a lot of gratuity because a lot of people don't carry cash anymore. Big Laurie making his moves for his presidency. Yeah, it's big Laurie. I'm just skeptical of this guy all around. Hey that was our review of steak and shake.

For the first segment it's the final edition of Snack or Wack of 2019 and for this very special edition we have whipped up some of Quincy's own oven fries. That's right Nick. Wow, they're very crispy.

We indeed put them at 450 so they'll crisp up. We did them at 450 so they crisp up just like I tell my mom to do it. I mean this is fake, I've never told her to do that. That's real. From the Johnny Pemberton episode. Yes.

Those are hot looking fries right now. They look very hot. But they look very good. They literally just came out of the oven. We should maybe let them cool a little bit. Susser going for it. That's going to be unpleasant to listen to. They seem too hot.

It does seem piping hot. It's like good hot. It's hot. I'm going to reach over and we're sitting on a paper plate. Thank you very much, Emma. We whipped these up in Mitch's oven. We melted his R2-D2 timer

in the process. How do these compare to how your mom makes them? My mom makes them better, of course, but this is pretty good. I got a picture of these I just took. Oven fries, do we need salt on them? Maybe. There's a lot of chewing right into Mike.

This is really good. I'm very satisfied with these. I had a crinkle cut. Susser is helping himself to a lot of fries right now. I haven't eaten any food. We've been going for a solid seven hours at this point and no one's

eaten anything. We normally do taste test segments during records, but we haven't done anything because of all the stuff we recorded. Don't put too many on there. Why? Because it said it would take longer to cook. In fact, I'm eating the rest of them.

It had different directions for a half bag versus a three quarters bag, so I was like put the half bag on there. Because otherwise it would have taken even longer. It timed out pretty perfectly. They were done in time for when we were getting we finished our restaurant review and Emma pulled them out of the oven.

It kind of timed out well. Do you have any salt or ketchup? No. We might have some old crunch sauce. Let me check on the kitchen next to the melted RTD too. I think it's too better about that. What kind of oven fries are they? It's ridiculous, Mitch.

These are orida. They are crinkle cut. I kept them pretty basic. I didn't want to get one with breading or anything or any kind of seasoning. I just wanted to keep them simple. I will say that I like that these are a little bit crispy. They're a little bit burnt, but in a good way. I like fries out of a deep fryer.

I haven't messed around with an air fryer. I'm intrigued by it, but I think as frozen fries in the oven go, this is pretty clearly a snack. Everything would be great, but as is out of the bag, they're not bad. I think you could wake these up with some ranch or some ketchup pretty easily.

Well, I got news for you. Mitch is saying something from the kitchen. He said, well, I got news for you, and then I looked in there and he's got a bowl full of what looks like takeout ketchup packets. Nailed it. How exciting. This is big news. Is there hot sauce in there?

There's a bunch of hot sauces. A bunch of hot sauces. I'm playing Death Stranding right now. And how is it? It's fucking awesome. But these small fries remind me of these floating grubs that you can eat to restore your health.

That's kind of what they look like. Guess what? A big thing of kosher salt. Literally the Costco bulk size box. And there was one ketchup in here at least. A gourmet selection of hot sauces from various restaurants.

No, mostly Taco Bell and Del Taco. I keep them. I keep the packets. I don't throw them away. There's another ketchup. I think everyone might just get one ketchup bag. It's okay. I ate all my fries already. I'm kosher salting up my fries. Well, so when it comes to salt,

you like the kosher. But when it comes to JJ, he goes in the oven. No. Is JJ Jewish? I don't know if JJ is Jewish. Alright, you can throw that ketchup bag at a lager. Let's see. Like literally throw it at him or hand it to him.

He went to Sarah Lawrence. Oh, I nailed it right on his plate. That was pretty rad. Let's see. Hold on. There's not a religion entry on his... Where is he from? He's from... New York.

But it says, it was born in New York, but he went to Palisades Charter High School, which I assume is in the Pacific Palisades out here. Okay, here we go. He is Jewish, and his wife is Roman Catholic, and he sometimes takes his children to religious services on Jewish holidays.

So there you go. This kosher salt is like, dick as hell. Yeah, I think this... I don't know that this is meant to be table salt. I think this might be cooking salt. You know what? With the ketchup and the salt,

now they're really good. These are great. Oven fries works. Yeah, they're a snack. They're good. They're a snack. Hey, hit us with your picks of your own oven fries. Hashtag Oven Mies. Oven Mies?

Yeah, Oven Mies, like my oven fries. That's good. It works. Yeah, it works. What do you think, snack? Snacks all around? Yeah, snack all around. Well, there you go. Nice thread. We started up earlier.

You know that fun bit we had? Well, now we've got a low energy resolution. A jokeless resolution. Not only that. Well, you know what? In the new year, we'll like count them or something. Yeah. We should have counted oven fries. That was snack or a whack.

It was worth it to melt my R2-D2. Just like a restaurant value of feedback. Let's open up the feedback. Today's email comes to us from Victor Newmark. Victor writes, I love the Sandy Wexler double because I've also spent way too much time debating and analyzing Sandler with other dorks. He can't mean me a mitch.

Have you read the vulture ranking of Adam Sandler movies? It goes way beyond a typical vulture list and is the deepest dive I've ever seen about his work. I'm curious to know your thoughts on the piece and would also love to know what your own mount sandbores are. Bonus. Sandler is the king of shameless brand integration. What is your favorite product placement in a Sandler movie?

Most memorable product placement in a movie or TV show in general. Right. There's a lot going on. But here's the Sandler ranking and we'll just... I do not believe this is real. People hated this episode when we talked about Sandy Wexler. It was...

Susser wants to go home. No, no, no. But I'm happy to talk about Sandler. But... Sandy Wexler, I thought... I mean, I think people just are like such... They were... At the time Sandy Wexler came out,

there was such that Sandler skepticism was just sort of there. And I think the... I think that was kind of the issue. So this Vulture article... Oh, god damn it. Are they fucking paywalling me? I previewed this at home. It wasn't paywalled.

You only get like one preview a year. Why am I getting paywalled? I'm going to put it in incognito mode. Let's see what happens. Okay, here we go. Number 10, 51st dates. Number 9, Happy Gilmore. Number 8... Is that Happy Gilmore?

Number 8, Funny People. Number 7, The Week Of. Number 6, The Water Boy. Number 5, Big Daddy. Number 4, Billy Madison. Number 3, Punch Drunk Love. This list is insane. Number 2, The Wedding Singer.

And the number one Adam Sandler movie all time. Just says the best Adam Sandler movie, according to Vulture. 2006's Click. That's insane. I think that Click, while is something that kind of people make fun of and actually is maybe

better than it gets to rap as, but number one is insane. This list is insane. I'm mad now. So now we're ending the year with me mad. Are you happy? You did it. I was going to end like that in a record list. That's not. I was happy before this. Then all this shit happened.

Everything went down and this Sandler thing is the last straw, honestly. This is bullshit. We shouldn't have taken a break. We should have just recorded all the way through. Shut up. Just shut up for a second. Shut the fuck up. Number 1 is Happy Gilmore, you fool. Number 2 is... Oh, I'm sorry. Number 1 is Billy Madison.

I already fucked up. Number 2 is... Hmm. Happy Gilmore. Number 3 is Water Boy. Number 4 is Punch Drunk Love. Really? Water Boy would be that high for you? I like Water Boy. Number 5 is Little Nicky. I don't know.

What? What else comes before Little Nicky? Here's mine. Okay. I'll go. Billy Madison, number 1. Number 2, Zohan. Wow. Number 3, Happy Gilmore.

Number 4, Big Daddy. I'm not really as convinced about the order, to be honest. And wedding singer, I would put like Punch Drunk Love didn't make your list. I mean, it's great and it's cool to see him do it. But I think that for me, the best of Sandler is when he's doing comedies.

And it's interesting. I haven't seen Uncut Gems. I'm very excited about it. It's interesting and cool for him to do the serious movies. But I think that we like people, we like these comedy people for doing their comedies. And he's done a lot of comedies. Number 1, The Cobbler.

Number 2, Men, Women and Children. Jesus. Number 3, Bedtime Stories. And of course, number 4, his 9-Eleven movie, Rain Over Me. No, my honest take would be this is a fucking weird ass movie. Rain Over Me?

It's like a real, it's like a ran-as-easy but real. It's like his family died in 9-Eleven. Jesus. It's very strange. I got my list now. A ran-as-easy but real is that's what someone's family dying in 9-Eleven. If you actually survived your real run-as-easy. Is it about Sandlermore?

Yeah, Mount Sandmore. That's what he asked for. Okay, so we just need to do 4. You already did 4. I did more than 4, I think. You did exactly 4. I've changed it. One is Billy Madison.

Two is Happy Gilmore. They don't also have to be ranked. The presidents are not ranked. Three is the Waterboy. Three is Waterboy. And four is Big Daddy. Wow. I forgot about Big Daddy. I would say, mine will include

I will say my real one. Punch Drunk Love. Happy Gilmore. Wedding Singer. And my fourth one might be grown-ups too. Wow. Just a lot of laughs in there. Very silly movie.

You like the moment where Shaq throws the guy over the house. Yeah, it's funny. And what's everyone's Mount President more? Washington. Actually, time out. John Adams. Because Quincy? John Quincy Adams.

Washington. Lincoln. That's it. And then, don't ask me to name any more presidents. And then as far as the branded... Yeah. I mean, Dunkechino was so clear. It's not even a discussion. That's funny to say that because I also think that

Billy Madison hit. The Subway commercial. Oh, I'm sorry. Happy Gilmore. Hitting the Subway sub into the guy's mouth is really funny. But I mean, Dunkechino... Dunkechino's great. It's a good joke. Was that the best branded thing ever?

No. I actually thought of... I thought of the first product placement I noticed and it really stuck with me as a kid because it was the first time I was like, whoa, they paid to put that in the movie was in Terminator 2 when they're eating Subway sandwiches. The cops are eating Subway. I felt like I'd noticed something.

I mean, the best product placement is probably the Reese's Pieces in E.T.T. Yeah, gotta be. If you want to say the best just because it worked very well. And it made that brand popular. Yeah. My understanding is that one of the more lucrative ones was they put in the movie The Firm,

the Tom Cruise movie The Firm, he drinks Red Stripe beer, which is a Jamaican beer that wasn't really available readily in the States. And now it's like a staple of grocery stores. What's the brand on the map? I'll also say Little Nero's from Home Alone.

Right. That's a good one. Little Nero's is everywhere now. Yeah. Yes. Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Season 7. February 6. Watch that. Deli Boys.

We didn't talk enough about Deli Boys. Yeah, how's it going? I thought we talked just enough about Deli Boys. But we didn't talk about it at all. Yeah, no, perfect level. I was mentioning it once at the very end of the podcast. It's coming back, baby. Wow. You and David Phillips, your podcast where you view Delis. Yeah, same hosts.

Yes. And yeah, that's about it. How exciting. I just want to say, Wags, thanks for a fun year. Thanks, you too, Mitch. And I think you're right. We were right early on. We were saying it was just kind of like a little bit more harmonious in 2019.

It worked. So maybe next year it will be fucking hell. Yeah, it might be bad again. Well, last time there was an election year, we had the blow-up. So we might have another blow-up. We'll see. Oh my God, that's crazy. Do you want to make any predictions again, you fucking idiot? Yeah, Hillary's going to win.

Hey, Sus, thank you. Thank you, Sus. You helped us at the end of the year here big time. Huge part of the team. And of course, Emma, thank you so much for everything you do for us. We could not do the show without you. We really mean that. And you, song.

A special drop-in, you song. Good to see you. Thanks for letting me hang out for a little bit. Thank you for everything you've done for Doughboys and continue to do. We're happy. We're very proud of you. Thanks so much, for having me. Oh, thanks. Well, like, I guess this is the right time to say it.

Like, working for you guys for so long has always been. Hey, the lights went out. Weird. Oh my God, you song has been shocked. Oh my God. What the fuck? What did this happen? Who did it? He's dead. Wow.

Well, Emma, I guess that means you're the new Doughboys producer. Congratulations. Thank you for all of you songs murder in 2020. Until next time, for the Spoonman Mike Mitchell, I'm Nick Weiger. Happy. See ya.

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