Doughboys - Steak ‘n Shake 7: Shake Shack 3 with Evan Susser

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Commissioner Evan Susser (Killing It, Fist Fight, Brooklyn Nine-Nine) joins the 'boys to air some grievances about the podcast before a review of Shake Shack in the seventh annual steak-and-a-shake year-end tradition. Plus, Slop Quiz: Holidough Foods edition. Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Coming up today, that link that you want to click on is down there in the episode description. Right down there. Check it out. There it is. Move your cursor. Go ahead and click, or if you're on your phone, use your finger and click that link. Click that link in the episode description. Can you imagine an Andrew Carnegie or a Cornelius Vanderbilt seeking a cadre of consultants

on whether they should buy a steel mill or buy a railroad? This was Sardar Biglari at a 2020 shareholders meeting for his eponymous holding company as quoted by Patrick Danner for my essay. The meeting, held in person in San Antonio during the height of the COVID pandemic, was typical hubristic bluster for Biglari, the man who became an infamous figure in the chain restaurant industry with his 2008 hostile takeover of beloved Illinois-founded burger joint Steak and Shake. Biglari streamlined operations, slashing the menu and eliminating table service at

new Steak and Shake by Biglari locations. Yes, his name's on the signage as part of a quixotic global expansion of the regional Midwest favorite. But now, a decade and a half into his steward ship, the bulk of those new locations have shuttered, including splashy flagship stores in New York City and Dubai, and the company is downward spiraling like a vertically held curly fry. But meanwhile, another once-regional fast-casual burger concept that puts shakes in the spotlight has continued its rapid growth worldwide.

Founded by New York City restaurant magnate Danny Meyer in 2005, the counter-service chain with sit-down prices has attracted a loyal following through its high-quality fair and regional slash seasonal offerings. But in its omnipresence, is it in danger of losing its magic in the same way as Sardar Biglari's Steak and Shake shit show? This week, on the final new Doe Boys of 2022, we return. Welcome to Doe Boys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, along with my co-host, Chris Crinklecutt, the Spoonman Mike Mitchell.

Chris Crinklecutt. Chris Crinklecutt. That's probably the better delivery. Chris Crinklecutt. It sounds like you're talking about Santa's hog. Chris Crinklecutt. Is Santa circumcised? I think Santa's circumcised.

I think he's uncut. I think he is. I think he's uncut. Santa's uncut? It's Saint Nick from Scandinavia. They're all fucking, they all got the windsock up there. How's this? Yeah.

Blitz in the uncut reindeer. Had a very exposed glance. I know, his glance would be hidden if he's uncut, right? Oh, I thought you said he was cut. Blitz in the uncut reindeer. Oh, the uncut reindeer. Okay, got it. Had a very sheathed glance.

Yeah, never really showed his glance. There we go. And if you ever saw it, it meant that he was horny. There you go. Perfect. Oh, love the other reindeer. Used to try to suck him off. Come on, help me out, I don't know what the fuck.

Saint Nicholas is actually of Greek descent, aka Nicholas the Woodworker. Oh, sorry, Nicholas the Wonderworker, patron saint of sailors. You know those Greeks get freaky with the scissors. You know he's cut, baby. No, those Greeks are uncut. They're all uncut. Is that true? I think so.

Pretty sure. I know religious people, right? If you're a Christian or a super Catholic or something, isn't that a... Most of the world population, I believe, is circumcised, but it's largely because of... It's practiced in the Muslim faith. So largely it's people with people who are of Muslim descent or of Jewish descent. And then there's also people in the US, there was a big move towards medical circumcision in the 20th century, which has now become discredited.

By the way, our guest just took his phone, put it on silent, then waited a second, put the phone on silent, did the phone, and then threw it back. We should get him in here. Let me real quick, that roast was from Dan. I'm trying this for the third year in a row. I'm trying this for the third year in a row, but I don't have a Twitter. My name is Dan, hashtag Spoon Nation, formerly hashtag Burger Brigade. What happened there?

Roastspoonman at gmail.com. He came over to the good side, which Sus will suss out today. Fucking QAnon, shit. Going from Spoon Nation to Burger Brigade, or Burger Brigade to Spoon Nation, rather. Well, guess what? His roast got played today. Of course, I'm sure that he's passed away from natural causes, or unnatural causes. He says he's trying it for the third year in a row, so he's at least was able to send

in another attempt. How many listeners do you think finally get their thing played, but they've passed away? More common than you'd think. I think probably like 40%. Yeah. If you have a, if you send in a roaster, a drop, and, or sorry, if you know someone who sent in a roaster, a drop, and it was used posthumously, let us know. Oh my God.

Hashtag drop from the grave. Wow. Hashtag roast from beyond. Hashtag roast from beyond. You might have been over with roast from beyond. Hey, who knows if either of the hosts will be with us when the episode airs too, so you never, you can never tell. That reminds me, I have not talked about this publicly.

I had a fall recently, like the old fuck I am. I fucking fell in my, my bathroom in the middle of the night. Natalie found me on the floor with a concussion, and I had to go to urgent care the next, I went to urgent care the next day. They immediately like sent me off to the ER, did a gamut of tests, and thankfully everything's hunky-dory, but it was a real scary thing where I just sort of like, like lost consciousness mysteriously, got up in the middle of the night to urinate, and then I remember standing in front of the toilet, and this is part of the thing.

You know, I've been advocate of the sit-down pee. I did not, I broke my own rule, and I was standing, and I, maybe that's what did it. Maybe that's what, maybe the standing is what caused me to lose consciousness. Absolutely, you know, could have been a punishment from a god or something too, but I, But yeah, it was rough, and I woke up, like the next day, I was like trying to piece together what happened. Yeah, you were trying to, you were trying to do a little knives out, a little, a little, Oh, yeah, a little amateur detective work, yes.

All of the last of the, the last of the gentlemen investigators, the inimitable Benoit Blanc. That's right. And I, I, I like, I went to take a shower the next day, took the- This seems to be a piss trail from the toilet to where he fell. My inference is that the victim in question was drizzling piss across the floor. Wait, you went to take a shower? He slipped in his own piss. I mean, that is possible.

Maybe I slipped in my own piss, I don't know. Um, but the, but okay, so I took the bath mat off, the fucking towel rack, massive dent in it, the fucking metal towel rack feels, it looks like someone's like, like bent it in, in half, like a fucking feet of strength. So I was like, so that's where my skull impacted, like fucking, fucking hit this towel rack, and then it looked down the trash can, metal trash can has another dent in it. So I like, fucking hit the, hit the towel rack, hit the trash can, and then was like, just out like a light.

It's fucking gnarly shit. When you told people, I told them that I was like, he hit his head and I was like, yeah, and he's been like acting like actually emotional since then, and knocked fucking emotions into his head. Uh, no, we were worried about you, Wags, but the funniest part of, the funniest part of all is, what did they put on you when you went to, when you finally went to urgent care? I had to wear a, a bracelet that said, um, fall risk. And they wouldn't let me keep it. Really?

Yeah. I was like, I was like, I like, Natalie was like, you should ask to keep it and then just wear it. And then, but they like, now we have to take it off of you. We're going to put one on you. That's a spill risk. We're going to put one on you. Uh, just get that tattoo. Emma, do you have the drop loaded up?

Yeah. I just forwarded you the email. Sorry. Oh, that's okay. Let's hit him with the drop. I was going to tell, I was just going to tell you to read the email. That's, which maybe, maybe that's what startups have. We get to hear a little bit more from Emma, everyone.

That's not a bad idea. I'll read drop emails. Yeah. Emma doesn't have enough work to do. So let's give her another task. Hit him with, hit him with that drop, Emma. All right. Honey, butter, chicken, biscuit, honey, butter, chicken, biscuit,

honey, buddy, butter, the honey, the honey, butter, the honey, the honey, the honey, buddy, baby, the honey, butter, the honey, butter chicken biscuit. Oh boy. I forgot how funny that was. There was both me laughing on the drop and then me laughing over the drop reminder. I'm a fucking idiot.

Hey, dough boys. Here's an oldie, but goodie. And then there's a asterisk and then in parentheses, citation needed as to whether that's actually a goodie. Thanks to fellow, thanks to fellow fans, Allison and Alex for help with the inspiration. See ya, Dan. We can maybe bleep his last name.

I don't know, but he puts his full name. Another Dan. He put his full name. If you don't want your full name read, you gotta, you gotta put just the first name. I'm going to read, I'm going to read what's in the email. Yeah, we're going to read what's in the email. It's not the Spotify live rule where your full name is displayed, but we

can't say your last name. Legally, they take that out for some reason. The Spotify live rules are out the window now because the show is snack pack is dead. Last episode tonight. That's right. Oh shit. All right.

So people know already at least. People know. Yeah. Let's get our, let's get our guests in here because I don't want to say this. He doesn't want to be here. Yeah. I do want to get our guests in here.

I do want to give one quick shout out real quick. This is a thing I meant to do on a previous episode. I guested on a Patreon episode of a podcast I really enjoy called Just King Things. I mentioned a few times this year that I've been reading all of Stephen King in publication order and the impetus for doing that was the Just King Things podcast. Cameron and Michael, the two hosts talk very fluidly and with a lot of

knowledge, a lot of like literary understanding, but also just like a fandom for Stephen King. So it's a great listen. It's a great like read along and listen along if you're a fucking book reading nerd. So yeah, check out Just King Things and then check me out on a Patreon episode where I'm talking about the Langoliers. Cool.

I just want to quickly say Twisted Metal comes out this summer. Check it out. It's a really great show. Yeah. I guess we can just plug up top. Why? Because I was going to say this. There's maybe a slight difference between plugging your own personal

project and then trying to give attention to it. I'm joking. Someone else. I had an audition the other day and I won't, hey, great audition. I mean, I'm not saying I did great, but a good audition. You did great. I know you did great. And the awesome person that I read with, I won't talk some.

They were like, my husband listens to the show and I was like, oh my God. Wow. He better be saying, he better not be like, you know, telling her how I really am that I'm an idiot. You better lie to her. That's what I'm trying to say. That's all. Anyway, Mitch on the podcast is always talking about how he has a

small hog and he wants to. This guy's a fucking alpha. He's an alpha. He's an alpha. All right, let's get, let's, our guest is like mad. We've, we've, we've kept him waiting for far too long. I had some dumb bullshit. I had to get to up top, but we're very, very excited to have him.

As always, the final episode of the year, the final new Doughboys of the year. We like to bring in our good friend, the commissioner of the Doughboys turned into champions, Evan Susser is back. Hi, Suss. Hi guys. How are you doing, Suss? You know, I, I've been sitting back and I've been watching and I am just kind of an amazement because you guys can go from we're not on the air, we're

bickering, we're grumpy with each other to record starts. It's all charm. This is true. Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm as good at putting on that, you know, smiley face. Sure. Sure. And I think, you know, I was debating how I was going to get into this, but I

think since Weiger started by plugging a bunch of podcasts, we didn't have time to, you know, we got to get right into it that this year, I feel like it just has to be said versus danced around that I, Evan Susser, the commissioner of the Doughboys podcast have had a falling out from the podcast. Weiger is talking about fall risk at the hospital. Well, the fall risk you should have been worried about was a falling out risk from your dear friend. And I think it, I think it really is encapsulated and this is not the only

example, but earlier this week, something big happened. You know what I'm referring to? Yes. Weiger, do you know? Um, maybe, but it's like, is it, you, you removed me from the Doughboys text chain. Oh, okay. I'm, I'm glad that's what it was because there's, there's also a lot of other,

like, yeah, there's something really grim right now that we're all dealing with that I'm glad it's not that you removed me from the Doughboys text chain. Now a little background, I don't know if the listeners are aware of this. It's kind of been alluded to, but basically from episode five of this podcast. There's been a text chain that started just the three of us called the Doughboys War Room, where it started where I would, you know, I was first just texting you guys, my reaction to the initial episodes, positive, encouraging, supportive

things. And then you became a consigliary. Yes. And Weiger included me. And you know, hey, in those early days, this was a scrappy operation. It was a cool, it was a cool thing happening. And there wasn't all the personnel. It was still figuring things out.

And I think we're going out of pocket for all the food. We're losing money on the show for us two years. And in those early days, I think that, you know, maybe sometimes I was being unhelpful and maybe, you know, causing friction, but also I think, you know, hey, I was there for some personnel changes that had to be figured out. Sure. You know, I was there for like some ideas about how we were going to do this munch madness thing.

And then even as a show expanded. Do I remember shopping for Christmas presents and having a long phone call with you over, over, you know, dramatic Doughboys media stuff? Yes. I do remember this. And I'm sure you do too. Yes. I think Sus has always been great.

I just want to quickly say that. Like, hey, sometimes causing conflict or whatever like still happens all the time. Well, yeah. So, but as a podcast expanded, became more of an operation where you guys, you know, knew what you were doing. You brought on people like Emma and Amelia who help in a much more concrete, maybe bigger way you could say, but I've still kind of been around. But, you know, over the past year, there's been like a lot going on.

I feel like I'm chiming in less and less. You're turning to me less and less. And it's kind of been just a slow. Hold on a second. Dating away. Yeah. This is, I've yelled at you for not being as active. Well, maybe there's a reason.

And the reason is because you're busy. You've got your work. You're working. No, that's part of it. That's part of it. But I think, I think there's also a little bit more. Okay. Last year.

When we recorded this episode, I was feeling probably as high as I've been on Doughboys in a long time. Wow. I had just done the episode man bites dog, which I had a lot of fun with. I think you guys appreciated it. He liked it. There was an appreciation post on the Doughboys Reddit, which is a bad place a lot of the time,

but there's a lot of good stuff that happens there. And that was, and they, they, they had an appreciation post. A lot of good stuff. There is. There's good people. A lot of. There's good people on both sides. But also the other thing that was happening around this time,

and I don't think this has been talked about on the podcast, is we were gearing up to write the Doughboys book together. Oh, that's right. And so just to fill people in on this, this was, you guys were approached by an editor from a real publishing house. Yeah. They make children's books. And the editor who was a fan of the podcast.

Very knowledgeable about the show. Very knowledgeable about the show. Very smart about, you know, like she came in with kind of an idea for what a book could be, which you guys all liked, then you came to me. By the way, we're consciously not using her name. I don't know if we should, I don't know if we should or shouldn't shout her out.

I don't think we should use her name. If she wants us to, she'll contact us and we'll say. Okay, great. Great. He doesn't listen to the show anymore. Yes. Well, we'll get to that. And then you guys include me.

Her name is Lisa McMillan. I was trying to think of a book name. Lisa Schuster. Thank you, sauce. Is McMillan. Yeah, McMillan. All right. Good.

Lisa Penguin. Yeah. And I'll give Wagga a lot of credit. You did a lot of the work. We had to put together a book proposal and we all were feeling pretty excited about it. And what also I appreciated about this, this woman is she said, look, here's a deal.

This is not going to be like a Hillary Clinton book where you get like, you're not going to get rich over it, but this will like, it'll be the kind of thing where, you know, if it sells really well, then that could be a good thing. But, you know, it's just, but it would do it if you want to have a book. It was basically the. Yes.

The thing that we're operating on. It would be nice to, I mean, it would also be funny in my byline, but also for all of us to have author. Yes. I think we all nice. We all like the idea. It was all the proposal that we put together was fun. And then we hear they're making an offer.

They make an offer. It is kind of as advertised. Not great. There is a counter offer made by dough boys, which was an aggressive counter in the other direction. And then the whole thing just disappears and we never speak of it again. We asked for the, we asked, we asked for the rights to Harry

Potter books. And this was after all the J.K. Rowling stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it was kind of, it was kind of like, oh, well, that's a bummer. It also like for me, I'll say as someone who's been on the

podcast for years, but also kind of been in like a nebulous kind of role as commissioner, I was like, oh, this will be a fun thing that'll kind of cement that I'm like a part of this thing. Yeah. And then it just was like, all right, it's gone in a similar kind of way to the Netflix TV show. Yes.

Yeah. I agree. Well, both, both had the commonality is that both had unfavorable financial terms and were presented as kind of a take it or leave it sort of proposal. And in both cases, our legal team and our lawyer doesn't like being shouted out, but we got a fucking pit bull and he'll fucking lock on your ankles.

Nick, you missed both there. We got pit bull. We got fucking pit bull. Our lawyer is Mr. Worldwide. And I like, I just like, I've learned to trust them and I've learned to, I've learned to say that sometimes the strongest move is to say no. Yes.

But the other thing. But also that any casting director is listening like, he's not that bad. He can work out a deal. But the other thing too, which was, which I think this was totally fair advice is he said, Hey, if you guys want to do this, let's take it to another publisher to which Nick, you responded, no, I don't want to do it with anyone else besides

the senator. Yeah. Which I think is fair. So that it was just dead. And that's the thing. Like she helped develop the proposal with us and she came to us and we wouldn't even have had the idea. I was like, I don't want to take it anywhere else.

Right. And then also this woman who we spoke to, who was very nice, who we just never spoke to ever again. Yeah. We owe her a follow up. Well, this will be the follow up, I guess. She doesn't listen to the fucking podcast probably anymore, at least.

Who fucking knows? Yeah. She was lovely. That would, that would, that would, that seemed like it was going to be a nice partnership and it just didn't work out. And that's, that's, but that's also this business. Most things don't work out. So what are you going to do?

Well, it's also funny. I'll just say this quickly because like other people have been like, you should take the show out again. But why is that one point you said it's just a podcast. That's what it is. Right. Like your mind was made up that it's just a podcast. I think that's, I think the best version of Doe Boys is the

Doe Boys podcast. I think a Doe Boys TV show is not as good as the podcast. Look, I'm not saying that, that that's wrong. I don't, I don't think that that's wrong. But you know, it's fun to explore some, some areas. I'm just going to say it. We were talking about starting a podcasting company. Well, let's not go that far.

We're not talking about starting a podcasting company. Sure. Doe Boys media, a brand then I guess. That's a single. That's chapter three of the fallout. I still haven't gotten to chapter two. All right. What's chapter two?

Can we, can we, can I just do it real quick? But while, while we're, while we're stopped down. Yeah. Because you are a moderating force. You are oftentimes a mediator, but also you love to poke the beehive with a stick. And you mentioned me, you mentioned me kicking you out of the Doe Boys text chain. The context for this is. You were a cranky ass bitch.

That's the concept. The context for this is. I was wondering if I could get by this part. The context for this is we had finished a full day of recording the Christmas special at the head gum studio. Yes. So I was, I was. By the way, Christmas special is chapter four.

I was there from, from roughly 10 30 a.m. until we wrapped around six or seven p.m. So it's like a full day, whatever. It's a full day's work. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You said something that's not even a full day of work for most people. Yeah.

I know. That's the thing. Like it's, it's, it's most people, whatever you have a fucking job, but you know the idea of like having a day at work and then you're fucking tired and I was on the train home and I was two stops away from head from where, where I got on where I get when I get a text from Emma. That's a photo of keys and is like, are these anyone's keys? They were left at the studio on you over at head gum.

Discover them. And I texted back fuck. I had to get off the train, get off the train, get on the bus and head back there, added an extra like fucking hour to my, my commute home. Why couldn't Natalie just let you in? They're my, I need my fucking keys. What are you talking about? I was going to leave my keys at the studio.

We'd get them. You'd get them to do what with? What are you talking about? Give them back to them later. You didn't have to get them that night. You could have gotten in your house. I mean, I could have gotten into my house that one time, but I have to get retrieve them at some point.

It's easier than going all the way home without my keys. We could have gotten them to you. We could have Uber them to you or something. It would have been, it wouldn't have been an issue. Uber the keys? Regardless, whatever happened. I fuck, I gotta, I like, I had to go get my, I love my keys at the studio. And I texted back, fuck.

And I, you know, we worked out like, Hey, Anya's going to stay at the studio. I'm going to get on the bus. I'll go over there. We'll, I'll pick up my keys. Um, and Susser replies, uh, Wiger, I know you've had a hard day, uh, and this is probably really tough, but LMAO. That's funny. It is.

That was shitty. And I was mad. So I fucking booted you from the chat, the text thread for a few days. You were fucking cranky. You were fucking cranky. You were fucking cranky. I'm cranky now. Yeah.

No shit. You were cranky then. Yeah. I was cranky then. I was fucking, I was pissed off. And I'm still cranky about it. You were cranky and then we got into a fight because you asked to not improvise in a scene the next day.

Yeah. It was like, I fucking, we were, how much, how many, but how much recording do we need to do this fucking thing? Guys. We're there the whole fucking day. This episode is not unlike the usual end of year episode with me. This episode is not about you two fighting with each other. It's about me fighting with both of you.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. Chapter two of the fallout. Tournament of champions. Sure. Suboptimal. It was very routine as it usually is.

I thought it was a lot of fun. Suboptimal. It was very routine as it usually is. I thought it was a good theme. It wasn't the most, it wasn't like the McDonald's one where it was like insane and we had to eat every fucking thing and it didn't have as many twists and turns. But as I normally do, I kind of helped develop the concept with you guys, pick the chains, made some appearances, was in the live.

You're talking York? Oh no. No, no, no. So it's suboptimal. Sorry. Suboptimal. We're only in March. We're only in March.

We're only in March. Okay. The subs. Did the live show, did the Q&A at the live show? Just because I was going to say you didn't do anything with the October chest. In fact, you were kind of unhelpful. That's chapter six. Okay.

So, you know, I contributed, I think, a fair amount, maybe not my best showing. Not, you know, when I didn't bring Maddie in a referee uniform, but you know, I was involved. And I want to be delicate about this because I want to be clear that for me, Doughboys has never been about the money. Okay. But from when you guys have started making money as a podcast, you've always very nicely, two times of a year, you've thrown the sus a little bit of cheese.

That's true. And also, that's also literal. Yes. And what's been funny about it, and again, this is speaks to, it's not about the money, it oscillates wildly, where sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. And also, and I am always happy for it. And it's the gesture that I appreciate, not the amount. So, do you guys know how much you threw me this year for my contributions to the tournament?

I'm guessing from your, this roundabout way of setting it up that we did not send you a bonus. Yeah, we didn't give you any money. That's right. Much madness. Which is fine. Again, it's never been about the money. Jesus, I didn't know this was going to be angling for a holiday bonus episode, you fucking.

Well, we're going to give you a holiday bonus anyway, but now it's going to seem prompted. So, I said, okay, that's fine. Then fucking cheese. That's fine. It's never been what it's been about. I enjoy being on the podcast. But, you know, that's fair. And I was sure it was an oversight, or at least I thought it was.

Of course it is. Not an intentional decision. And if I would have said something, it would have been remedied. But, you know, who wants to have to say something? Okay. That was chapter two. What did I say? I thought you were going to say some other point after that.

I agree with you. We fucked up. We didn't pay you money. Yeah. What did I say chapter three was? The Christmas special or is that chapter four? Okay. Well, now I don't know.

Disregard the chapters. Okay, great. You're afraid to get into the Christmas special. No, the Christmas special is a nightmare. Yeah, it really is. That is a nightmare. And this is maybe we can find some agreement on. And I don't know where we, but then, so the Christmas special.

Is this going to be the last year of the Christmas special? Maybe. Yes. Because here is where the Christmas special has gotten to. We can all find some agreement on this. Yeah. Is I get the text from Mitch. That is like, Hey, we got to write this Christmas special.

And I just had such a visceral reaction of, I don't fucking want to. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we've all felt like this has become like, like just like a dreaded part of the job. Sure. An albatross. Which I think especially for me has become, well, it's not even

a fucking job. Sure. So I, I'm grumpy doing it. I do probably the worst job I've ever done, which I'll say to Mitch, he did a fantastic job this year. Thank you. I appreciate it. And he really, he really filled in all things, but everybody is grumpy about

it. And it also led me to the question of, does anyone enjoy these or like these? And is it more than a hundred people? Yeah, I know. So I feel like every year doing these things has caused everyone to be mad at each other by the end of the year. Yes. I hate it.

I feel like it's very self-indulgent. It's a lot of improv for me, which I don't like doing. And then I feel like it's like we're calling in every favor from all of our friends, some of whom are extremely busy around the time of the holidays to come in and do like a fucking, one of like 18 characters in a fucking paywalled special. I mean, I don't know. It does, it does not feel worth the effort to me.

I think that a lot of people really enjoy them, but I'm going to say this. This year, I think Sus and I did do a good job on the script. I think that we did do what we were supposed to do. And Nick, I think that you were really cranky about it. I'm not saying that. Yeah. And I'm just saying like, I have a lot going on right now. Well, I think everyone always has a lot going on at the end of the year.

Yes, I know. Specifically, I've been very stressed out lately for reasons we were not going to get into on the podcast. And it was difficult to have you be so upset about it. Mitch, I got to cut you off. It's not about you two fighting. It's about me fighting with you guys. Sure.

I'm not even saying that. It was, it was, it was, it was hard for me for you to be so upset about it. When I was, you know, we, we, we, I feel like we, you know, got it done earlier than normal. We did it by the day we were supposed to do it. Every, you know, the script was, was, was there. And I know that it's frustrating. And so I guess I'm trying to say like, I was stressed out. My feelings were hurt a little bit.

And I feel like what I came to the realization of is like, Nick doesn't like to do this. So he doesn't like to perform in this way. So why am I, so we shouldn't make him do it anymore. If this is, if he's going to be this upset by it, this shouldn't happen anymore. So that's why I'm like, we should retire. We should retire the, the Christmas special. Which is fine. Or let me like introduce it.

I can be, I'll, I'll fucking do the intro and then you can be the guy. But also I think that a little bit, there's maybe a thing, and this is as I've been thinking about a hashtag, the falling out. That maybe it's just, and I understand why, because, you know, Doe Boys has been, it's been chugging along. That maybe we've become prisoners of our routines. And that it's like, okay, this is how we do things. And if something works, then that's just the way things are done. And that can be good and that can be efficient. But then also maybe kind of leads to everything feeling a little bit like a slog.

Sure. I think, I think that there, you know, people talk about the blow up on the podcast. And this is hashtag, and this is hashtag, the falling out. This is so, so, so Monday after the record, Wagga, you were in a cranky mood, and the accessory had been removed. We got into a fight about the Christmas special because you didn't want to record an extra scene. And, and I, you know, made funny, you said it's like one day of work. But look, I think the fact is, is if you don't want to perform anymore, I'm not going to make you perform.

My thing is, is that you are funny and good. Thank you, Mitch. That's nice to say. So like, that's the thing is like, I'm right. We're writing it. You're not being indulgent. Like, we're being indulgent on your behalf. And I get it.

I get it's annoying. Whatever. Okay. Can I, can I, I just want to interject real quick. First off, I have a pitch for the falling out. Can we call it a commission impossible fallout? That's good. Yes.

Okay. Hashtag commission impossible fallout. So, so, but anyways. No, no. I just want to say, I want to say here. And I was going to say this, this Monday when we got into a fight. Yeah. There was just a lot going on.

I get that. And I, and I got further context for what was happening later. Let me just say this. I can't. If I can just interject. Yeah, go on. If someone in the dose court could make a commission impossible fallout with my face over Tom Cruise. I'd appreciate it.

That's great. Okay. Go ahead. Back to the series. I got, look, I came at you too hot, Mitch. And I am sorry for hurting your feelings. I do think you like the script I thought was, was very funny. I think you, I think you did a really good job with it.

I think it's like a, it's a funny concept. And I think you, you know, you had good instincts. I like in terms of putting it together and you put a lot of work into it. And you got it done by the time that like, you know, Emma wanted to get it recorded, which is all great. And so those are all like things you should, you did, you did great on. I think that, that I could be a little bit less grumpy. Sure.

I could be a little less of a Christmas special scrooge. But I also like a lot of my concerns were just like more about it just being bloated and more about it just being like, here's, there's just so much in here. And I feel like that's where a lot of my frustrations came from. Sure. And also, Emma, it's a ton of work for Emma. Emma does. It's so much work for Emma.

Emma does, and Emma does a kick-ass job and it's, and it's crazy. I get that. It's always bloated. That is always the thing that we deal with. Yeah. Emma does. You mean the dough boys? Yes.

Not. Yeah. The actual dough boys. Not the commissioner though. Yes. We try to, we try to get, you know, try to get people on that, that people like that being said, this year was the year where I was like, never mind, let's not do this anymore. I don't, I'm not going to push this thing.

Is this coming out before or after the Christmas special comes out? Before. Oh wait, after. No, it is before. No, this will be before the Christmas special. This is going to be very funny to hear all this complaining about it and then hear a very silly and long Christmas special. It seems like everyone's having a great time.

It might be the worst one. I mean, like, don't say that. I think it's going to be the best one. I think it's going to be the best one. I mean, like, Nikki, you don't want to do it. I think you don't want to perform anymore in that way. I think it's going to be the best one. I'm not going to make you perform in that way anymore.

I think it probably will be a really good one. It will be very funny. We have very funny people doing it. Of course. So, and just again, to further contextualize where I was at. Like, I went across town and did, you know, eight hours of improv the day after being discharged from the hospital. Of course.

So I was a little bit in the, like, kind of a weird place. Of course. And then you got on the bus. And then, hey, I was right there with you, though. You know that. I know, yeah, I know. I know, you were there. I mean, I didn't hit my head and you literally had a bruise and a lump on your head.

It sucked. The timing was bad. It sucked. And you forgot your keys. Yeah. And then I said, left my ass off. And also I want to be clear about the commissioner impossible fallout is I do not feel like I've had a falling out with either of you individually.

I feel like Mitch, we're still pals. We see each other all the time. Weiger, I talked to you all the time. We're on all sorts of different text chains about a various interest. I feel like we get along great as individuals, but I feel it's really more on the podcast. What are you saying here? You're not resigning. You better not.

You know what? He's breaking up with us. Earlier this year, a few months ago, I wrote a letter of resignation. Jesus Christ. As commissioner of the podcast, I thought, you know what? I've had a good run. It also, it might be funny as a bit to just say I resigned. Sure.

Sure. Yeah. It would be funny. And just, you know, somebody else does it. And also too, like enough's enough. Like how many, like fucking, how many the blow up, the glow up, the fucking falling out. I mean, I'm going to fucking run out of, you know, brilliant ideas. You don't need that name one every year.

It doesn't have to have a name. It does need a name. And so I wrote this, this statement, resigning as commissioner. And I read it and it was good. It was funny. It had some real stuff, kind of stuff. I didn't hear about how proud I was of my role. I read it over and I read it to Jamie, my wife.

Jesus, this is depressing. And she heard the whole thing. And then she said, why would you resign? You love being the commissioner. Wow. And I said, that's why I love Jamie. You know what? You're right.

And I ripped up the statement right then. Wow. Wow. So I felt like I wanted to come on and bring up all this stuff from the hashtag with fallout. One, because I needed a fucking, you know, big concept to come in for this episode. Yeah, sure. It's a good angle. And two, because I thought if we're going to move forward, we got to get some of this

stuff out in the open instead of burying it down. Sure. So we can figure out how in 2023, we can bring me back into the fold and I can be more excited and you guys can be more excited about doing this together. This ties into a conversation Wyze and I had during the Fezzoli's episode. Okay. And Wyze, I asked you, I said, do you? Well, this is not during the episode to be clear.

This is when we were at Fezzoli's eating together. This was not on the podcast. We were at Fezzoli's eating together. Yeah. I was genuinely nervous about this because I don't want the podcast to end. It's how I make my living. Yes. Depressingly.

I mean, look, I'm not saying it's depressing in the way that I love that. But you would think that, you know, when you're an actor who appears in multiple popular television shows. Yes. When you make your living, not on a podcast. And then people will say, you have stairs and I'm like, I'm 40. Uh-huh. And like I got, not saying that it's...

But they go on for ages. I mean, they're really beautiful. Yeah. Multiple flights. They are gorgeous stairs. But for, you know, like, I'm like, you know, like... I've got a wife and a kid. I don't have fucking stairs.

You have a beautiful home. Beautiful home. That's the issue. You know, maybe if I was getting my $300 munch madness. You get... Like, I mean, look, in Hollywood, you don't make... People barely make money off of TV and movies. As much as people think that they make a lot of money off of...

The Doughboys is... I make a living off of Doughboys better than I ever have of anything in the entertainment industry. That is the truth. And I love our support. I love the listeners. This is true. Some piss me off, of course.

Yeah. And they write stuff and they fucking piss me off. But that's why I think the stupid stuff is worth it. But then that's the truth. That's why I do think stupid stuff like that is worth it. Yes. The question that I think we got into was the Christmas special was if that was something that everyone loved, then sure, it's worth it.

But if it's... Does everyone love it? I don't know if everyone loves it. I don't think so. I honestly have no idea. I know that some people like it. And I want to say like a good group of people like it. But I don't know what that means.

Anyways, Wags, I asked you... This is at Fazoli's. At Fazoli's. What were you eating at this moment? Do you remember? We actually were done eating at this point, which is kind of sad. We were setting up a tripod in the fucking restaurant. But I said to Wags, I said, are you done with this podcast?

Because it had been hard to... Look, I know that I'm a bad communicator too with emails and stuff like that. But Nick, I think that you answer on your... When you want to answer, which I think is good, but sometimes for me... I think everyone does. That's true. But a lot of times it feels like Nick is trying... You know what I mean?

Like where I will always... I feel like I'll always kind of try to address something when I see it at least or something. Well, yeah, sure. I mean, we were talking about that. You just both have very different schedules. Sure. It's not even that different of a schedule. He was making fun of me for taking a nap this morning before we recorded.

And I've been going through a lot of stuff. Okay. Anyways, what the fuck do you want from me? That is the truth. I mean, it just... Yes, you're going through... I mean, how many times can you just kind of... It's the truth.

I'm stressed out. It's been fucking stressful the last couple of weeks. Because I got kicked off of the text chain. What's that? Because I got kicked off the text chain. That too. I kept adding you back in and he kept kicking you out. I was adding you back into the text.

No, I don't want to get into it. I'm trying to steer away. I know you are, but I'm just saying it's difficult when you can't talk about things. But I'm saying anyways, I don't think that this... I don't think it's as much as a schedule thing. But anyway, I asked Wags, I said, are you done with the podcast? Yes. And Wags, you shocked me.

Because I was like, if he's done with the podcast, I'm not going to force this person to continue to do a thing they don't want to do. And then you shocked me with your answer, which I know you remember. And your answer was, I'm in a good place with the podcast. I'm in a better place with the podcast I've ever been. I was... My jaw almost hit the floor because it didn't feel that way at the time. And I was like, what goes on with Get Played?

Why is it easier for him with Get Played than with this podcast? What makes this podcast such a pain in the ass? Or why does he hate doing this podcast more than his other podcast? And I guess the answer is me. I guess the answer is just me. And you're all laughing, but it makes me sad. No, Mitch, I love you. And when I said that, I meant it.

And I feel that way. I am in a pretty good place with the podcast. The Christmas special makes me cranky. But I think we have a good rhythm to it. I like being back in studio when we're able to do it. I said we couldn't be in studio today, but... After seven. Yeah, but...

I was told we were going to be in studio. Then there are too many fucking text messages in the chain now. And I can't keep up. I got how I missed it. And then I was disappointed because I was like, oh, this is going to be a good end of year. We're going to be together again. And then it didn't happen.

But it's fine. Chapter seven, though. You guys are together at Mitch's place. I wasn't able to make it over there today. But we are... You're going to say sauce? Yeah, go on. You're supposed to say something.

No, I don't have anything. All right. Anyway, go ahead. Mitch, you know you and I have a friction. That is both the... It makes the podcast harder to do, but I think it makes people... People are compelled by our dynamic as a result.

Sure. And that's the thing. It's the yin yang of the two of us that I feel like kind of gives Doughboys special sauce. I don't know how many times I had to say that I did not want this episode to be about the yin yang of your dynamic. I wanted it to be about the yin yang of my...

Shut the fuck up for a second. Let him talk. That's all I wanted to say. I love you, Mitch. I know that we have a hard time working with each other. This is supposed to be... We love you, Susser. We also love you...

Whatever. It feels empty. It feels empty. It feels empty. Take a break and talk about the fucking restaurant. I tell you how much I thank you for the fucking Christmas special. Let's just talk about the fucking food and the burgers and whatever.

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Welcome back to Doughboys. We are here as Commission Impossible Fallout continues with our buddy, Evan Susser, to discuss Shake Shack. Now, we try to do a stake and shake every year with Suss. Hold on a second. I want to say one more thing. I know that we have friction, you and I.

Hold on a second. Unbelievable. I'm just trying to say this. Yeah. By the way, I'm realizing that phrasing sounds very horny. A lot of that friction will be coming from your side. I've been emotional this whole episode. Susser's here and seeing it.

Yeah. Like I said, there's stuff that's going on right now. But I feel like you've been a little bit colder this year. I don't think I've been colder. I think you. I'm talking about Susser. I mean, Swagger. It's supposed to be about me.

I know. And I'm trying to make you happy. Like that's the thing. Well, I appreciate that. That's been bothering me. But I don't think you're really making me happy. I've been trying to make you happy. What?

You're completely out of frame, by the way. I'm just seeing your shoulder. Yes, I know. There's two of us here on one camera. Yeah. And it's me and Suss. Yeah. I've been trying to make you happier.

That is, that's the thing that has been draining. I guess. Well, I think you don't need to worry that much about my happiness and trying to make me happy. I hate you. You always do this. You always fucking do it. Do what?

You text me, Wiger's being insane. Yeah, I know. Then we get the text. I don't do that. Or I text you, Wiger's being insane. And you're like, yeah. And then we get in the chat and then you put it on me. What's easier with Wiger's being insane?

No, he's not. All right. Well, there's my fucking night right there. You agree with me sometimes, but you only come after me in the tech chain. Anyways, why? Yeah. I'm trying to make you happier and it feels harder to do.

That's why I got scared with the, and that's why I asked you that question of fizzoles. Uh-huh. Because I'm like, I don't want you to be unhappy. That question at fizzoles. That's the truth. I don't want you to be unhappy. I don't want you to be in a happy area either.

I want this to be easy on both of us. Thank you. I'm not unhappy. I kind of have been. What, silence after that? You don't get to say fucking anything else? I thought you were going to say more. You're unhappy with the podcast.

So if I'd put that question to you at fizzoles, Mitch, if I'd put that question to you at fizzoles, you would have been like, yeah, I am kind of done with though boys, but we have to do it because I rely on it. No, I'm not done with it. I just, there's, it's just. Wow.

The, the, the, the, the, our relationship, I, it's, is, because I love you too. It's just, it's been a lot. That's all. I, the thing that helps me the most, if you want to say like, hey, I want to make things easier on you. The thing that helps me the most is just regularity

in terms of schedule. And so, and I feel like sometimes it's a little chaotic. And I think we, I think we've mostly been great about this, but like, I, I feel like, you know, like this, and this is the thing, Emma and Amelia. And, and also I want to give Emma the opportunity to speak if she has anything to, to say, cause she has to watch, listen to two toddler toddlers bickering for 365 days a year.

So I just got Gatorade all over my computer. Hold on. Okay. What kind of Gatorade? G zero strawberry Kiwi. I don't love that strawberry Kiwi. Zero is, it's a pretty good, but go ahead. Zero's good.

Say what you're going to say. I was going to say, I want to, I want to give Emma the opportunity to speak in a second, but, but Emma and Amelia have been like, hey, let's schedule, like not like, let's try to get a month ahead in scheduling, which is great. Like that's a perfect thing to do for 2023. That's going to make your life a lot easier because it could be

like, hey, I know when we're doing dough boys, you know, know what we're doing. It's not like the situation we are now where we're recording on a Saturday and we're trying to figure out Monday's record and my parents are in town. So it's like, I got just like all this shit going on. You know what I mean? Sure.

I have no problem with that. I don't have an issue with recording ahead of time. We're scrambling because of Monday, because a guest canceled. Yeah, I know. That's not my fault. You know what I mean? I can say it was your fault.

I know. Yeah. But I was saying like, that's, that's the kind of thing that helps. Emma, I don't know. I did. Sorry. This is your Saturday.

How are you feeling? You know, I have, I'm, I knew that there was going to be some yelling based on the text group this week. So I don't know if this is what I expected fully. We love Emma and Emma does a good job and she puts up with too much shit. I love you guys. Look, I think, I think every, it's funny because this is not

unique to this podcast. Love you both. But every podcast goes through this, I think, and I think, I'm just going to be completely cut out of this. Jesus Christ. She loves you too. I didn't hear it. Of course I love you.

How could I not? So if you were going to quit, I was going to quit right after you. I don't want to do this without you. Wow. You're on my back. Well, then we're fucked. Yeah, we'd be in deep shit.

We're fucked. Susser's one thing, but Emma, Jesus Christ. Fuck we do. We'd be fucked. Jeremiah. No, I think everybody needs little things that are different from everybody else to make something that is this constant and turn and burn and like it never ends kind of process.

Everybody has little things they need to make it easier. So I think we all need to figure out what those are and communicate them better to each other because it sounds like we all know what they are, but aren't telling each other what we need. Does that feel accurate? That's great. That's great advice.

I think if me and Emma quit, I think Amelia would just come in with sharp elbows and just like grab power. Yeah, she could do it. And be commissioner or producer. They're fucking done. Max, you not schedule your other podcast? No, it's super scheduled. It's fucking insanely scheduled.

We have a fucking, yeah, go on. I'm going to say this. I think you know this about yourself. You like to have that input though, too, right? Yeah, I like to have that input. Yeah. I'm saying there is a way that- I'm starting myself.

This whole thing was for me to talk about my grievances and it's just become the fucking you two again. All right. What's some other grievances? What's chapter fucking eight? Let's hear it. Anyway, I think everyone should get a piece of paper and write down the five things they need to make their lives easier when it

comes to dope boys. And then we're going to share them all in a meeting at the beginning of 2023. That's great. Wow. I love that. That's a great call. I'm sticking to it.

Emma. I'm writing this down. That's good. Amelia, you heard it. Help me. Emma, you appreciate- You appreciate scrambling to find a pen as the meeting begins. This is the type of bullshit.

This is the type of bullshit I'm talking about, Sus. It's a comedy. It's a comedy show. Yes. This is the type of bullshit I'm talking about. When you and I wrote the fucking script and then these jokes still come, we did everything he wants us to do. And these jokes still fucking come.

Do you want to be no joke? And then this morning I was taking a nap. Yes. And he made some joke about me napping or sleeping. And it was 11 a.m. And I've been going through a fucking some shit. Yes. And I got fucking mad.

We know. Because we know. People don't know. You've fed it so many times. What's Mitch going through? Pizza Hut was out of fucking dough. Shut the fuck up. Shut up.

That's what's going to happen. You know it is. Yeah. He's won people over. He's a difficult man. Just say it out loud. He is also a difficult man. I know I'm a difficult man.

Everybody's difficult. No one's easy. Can you find anybody? Can you name anyone who's easy to work with? I think everyone's difficult. No. Heather and Matt are easy to work with. Yeah.

Emma's easy to work with. Emma's a dream to work with. The rest of the Doughboy staff is pretty good. Drop King. Drop King. You song drop king. That's a marginal. But yeah, fish is great.

Emma's great. Amelia's great. We love everybody. We love everybody. We love everyone. You're being an asshole. And I'm being an asshole. That's a joke.

We love Drop King. We love you, son. I just feel like to your other podcast, you're not being as angry about it. There's no way. I frustrate you. No, it's not as much of a source of... It's a completely different dynamic.

It's also like... Make me Apidaka. Make me Apidaka? Make me Apidaka. Make me Heather. You can't just be made into Apidaka. Apidaka's his own man. Treat me like Heather or Apidaka.

That's what I'm saying. Look, I... I don't know how to address that. I don't know what to say to that. I can treat you like... Because that seems to be suggesting that this is a one-way thing. Where I'm somehow keeping a bunch of shit onto you.

When that's not the case, a lot of times it's like you came at me hot and I'm fucking coming back at you. And we're throwing haymakers at each other. It's not just me dogpiling shit onto you. I agree with that. I know that I'm very frustrating. I'm saying this year...

I truly was trying to try this year to not annoy you. That is the truth. I was trying not to annoy you, and I felt like I was annoying you ten times over. No, you weren't annoying me. Why? I love you. I'll get real again at the risk of getting emotional.

By the way, this is the weirdest conversation I'll be having when I'm just looking at Mitch's elbow. That's good because I don't want to get more emotional. Okay, fine. I think that you have a gift. Right? What does that mean? What?

Disagree. I think that you have a gift as a funny person. God bless you. And... I think that... it makes me sad. I'm not trying to get emotional. There's stuff going on in my life.

Yeah, I know. You're okay. You're okay. You're fine. It makes me sad. Crazy. It makes me sad that you don't care about that. Care about what? What do you mean? Being a funny person.

I think he cares. We're different men. Yeah, I just have a different sort of... The juice you get from, say, doing a live show, I don't have that feeling. But you still have it in you, your podcaster. Sorry, I spit on sauce. I think I'm...

First of all, it's very nice of you to say, Mitch. I do think that I am good at podcasting. That's not... I think that's a fair assessment of... of my ability to host a show and keep things moving. I think at a hosting capacity, I'm good at that. For me, this has become my main creative outlet.

Like this podcast. I don't really do anything else. And a big part of that is just like fucking laziness. Because I reached a point during quarantine where I was like, well, look, I can make enough money to live comfortably. I'm extremely blessed from doing two podcasts a week. And that's easier than me being in a writer's room. So why do I need to worry about that?

It's way easier. And honestly, it's more lucrative, as you talked about earlier. I think that for me, it's that sort of thing of like... You have that creative thing in you. Okay. Hold on a second. You have that creative thing in you and then like... A lot of the time is just kind of like, who cares?

Let's just do this. And... You think that I'm apathetic. Is that what it is? I sometimes think you're apathetic about stuff. But I get it. I get that, but I just think that... Like...

For me, it's kind of like, why are we going to do this unless it's to be funny? And this episode is the opposite of that. But why are we going to do this unless we're going to do... There were some good funny parts. Like, why do something in that... You know, like you want it to be funny and good. Yeah.

And then sometimes you're like, this is your nine to five, but you're a podcaster and you're funny. You have that power. A lot of people don't have that. It's the truth. Are you going to tell them what great power comes great responsibility? Yes. That's the truth.

Okay. I'm giving up on trying to do my bit about making it about me. I was optimistic, but it just became one of the fucking episodes like it always is. That's fine. I was also trying to... This isn't coming from a bad place. I was trying to avoid the normal, like you guys getting into it, because Mitch, you do have some stuff going on in your life right now.

Yes. Yes. Which, by the way, we all do. Everyone does, yes. And this, yes. Yes, yes. It's weird to not be able to talk about stuff. Yes.

But I'll just say that I think that you both can be apathetic, grumpy. And it's sometimes, I think, different things. And like Nick is saying, the things that he gets to charge out of and the things that you get to charge out of. When you're very overwhelmed and busy, sometimes you just want to like, let's just keep it simple. Sure. You know, you just have that.

Booth misses you. Sure. But even with the podcast. But still like, I care about... Yeah, sure. But I think that Nick cares a lot. And I also think that sometimes... I do think he cares.

I'm not saying he doesn't care. His expression of creativity might be figuring out like the exact rules for Munch Madness like weeks in advance. Sure. And making sure the bracket. And those are great. And that's all part of it too. And it's not always, you know...

That's fair. And doing, you know, the songs for Let Me Be Frank. And all these things that require planning an advanced thought ahead of them. Sure. By the way, it's not like I don't do stuff like that. No, sure. I do stuff like that. Sure.

I don't write an intro every episode. I know that's a fucking pain in the... Right. But that also too. I think that that can be his... That can be a source, an outlet and a creative thing. So I think that both of you guys have when... Sure.

Now that we're in... What year is this of Doughboys? God, I don't even fucking know. Seven? Eight? Seven? There are times that it's just fucking going through the motions. Absolutely.

That's just the reality. Yeah. I think that, you know, I think it's like finding that mix of sometimes having the routine and the schedule makes it easier to have more creativity to it. But that's... You're just going into like schedule stuff. This is not... No, but it's all part of it because the times when you're like...

When you say, just fuck it, let's keep it simple and we'll just fucking do whatever, that's when things, you know, it's behind the eight ball, you know? So it kind of all is connected. That like, you know, sometimes things get overwhelming and, you know, sometimes it is just going through the motions. I mean, can I just... You disagree? That's a good edit point there, Emma.

Okay. Can I just get some clarity from Mitch? What exactly do you mean? Do you think I don't want the podcast to be good? Do you think I don't want to do a good job on the show? No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying that you're... What are you saying?

I was saying that you're such a funny guy and then a lot of the time I feel like you don't want to... Like, it seems like you're like, I wish I wasn't in this business. I don't... Wall-E and Irma came downstairs. It was very cute. You're like, I don't want to be in this business. I don't want to do this thing.

You're like, you see Mapathetic to stuff sometimes where it's like, yeah, this will be fun. It would be fun for us to like fly to Colorado and do a thing. And you know what I mean? Like, that to me is fun. It's like... And look, and I don't even blame you. I know traveling is a thing you don't like to do. So I guess that is like a thing, but like...

So it's more like attitudinally stuff. Yeah, I guess so. It's just being like, hey, let's go do this. Like, here's a new fun thing. This will be fun. You're like, that's going to be a pain in the ass. I'm like, I know it will be. And it's kind of...

Look, the Christmas special is a whole other thing. Sure. It's a huge, huge pain in the ass. But like, you know, like, hey, what if we make it Grocer's month or whatever? And then you're like, I don't know. And then it will be like, time to do an episode. You're like, let's review fucking fabrics. And I'm like, all right, fine.

Let's just review fabrics. Well, look, here's the thing. My biggest thing, and this is a big part of like having a successful podcast, as you know, is we have to have an episode out as expected on schedule. So sometimes you get like, as I was saying, you get behind the eight ball. We just got to fucking record something. And that's the situation we find ourselves in. We got to get an episode.

We got to turn an episode out because if one doesn't come out, people are going to be mad. And then over time, they can't rely on the podcast, being there for their commuter, their work out, and they're going to stop listening to the show. So like, that's the most important thing. And sometimes I do think it's great that you think big. And you've come up with some really great ideas, but also sometimes your idea of fun, and you mentioned flying to Colorado, going to Casa Bonita, which again, is closed. We can't do it because it's closed.

Sure. But also, I think that's funny. But you know what? It is funny, but that's an enormous pain in the ass. And like, when we went to, you know, our buddy Eva Anderson, one of our very, very, very best friends of the podcast, she went with us to the Vegas airport so we could review Chili's too at the Vegas airport. That was a lot of fun. It was a really great episode.

It was good for the podcast. It was an enormous pain in the ass. Sure. But look, we don't have nine to five jobs. I understand. But like also, I have other shit going on. We both have other shit going on. And there's an element of the stuff that's like an adventure that to you is fun.

That to me is like not fun. Sure. Like I'm not getting a joy out of this in the same way that I'm not getting juice out of doing a live show, which is why I'm touring in the same way that you do. I already know that touring was crazy this year. And that was another part where I think that we've had a stressful year. It was a lot. Yeah.

And it was like tour dates that were like very far separated or whatever. I look, I shouldn't have used flying to Colorado as the example, because I know that that's crazy. And I was about to bring up another thing. I wrote to our touring guy. I was like, Hey, we got to make up a date in like Chicago, Minneapolis and London. And I was like, and it'll be fun to do the Edinburgh festival. And then watch respond back.

I'm not flying overseas. That's what he brought it back, which is, which I get. I'm not even trying to say stuff like that. I'm just saying that there's sometimes it feels like others. And I think maybe it is that sort of thing of what you called Mitch magic, which I hate saying myself, but I think that maybe it's that sort of thing of or I'm like, we'll figure it out. And then, and you very much want to, and I know that that's frustrating.

I get that. That's a frustrating thing. And like I said, like now this just sounds like I am the man who's responsible for all the issues. No, I think that you're making a good point. And I think that this is, you know, I think it's fair to be like in an effort to make things not stressful. Let's not lose the magic.

Yes. You know, let's not just like be doing. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you. Let's not just be doing this thing just because look, you guys, like it can like financially support you and that's great. And it can, you know, people can enjoy it, but like part of what made it exciting in those early years and why you like kept doing it even though you

were losing money on it. Yes. Was that it was like a fun and funny thing that people, it also, I mean, it just changes over time. You know, when we first started, like a lot of your guys friends were listening to the podcast. Now they all stopped listening to start their own fucking podcast. Right.

Yeah. And it felt like a, it felt like a vital creative thing. Do you think that this is anyone's first episode of the Joe boys that they're listening to? Not always. No, there's always, every episode is always someone's first episode. It feels, I think it probably feels a little less vital, you know, when we're doing, uh, uh, steak and shake eight.

Sure. Jack version. But that's what it's all about. The magic of it all is what it's all about. Finding those things that are. Yes. Uh, pains in the asses, but are worth it versus just things that are pains in the asses and not worth it.

Sure. And that's one of the things that, uh, and I do think that you guys should fly to Colorado to go, to go to the close. I think we should do at this point, but, um, but I think that it's, you know, not just being, um, not just being a servant to the schedule and finding the things that are going to keep the podcast fun and exciting for another, you know, seven years. And if you're going to keep doing it, it's good because the burnout is

going to happen eventually. If it hasn't already, uh, this, this year was hard just in general. I think it was a hard year, but, but just what's us is saying is wise. I think you turn your back. I think you got that magic in you. That's what I was trying to say before. I think you're so good at what you do. God bless you.

And, and, and, and, and I think that you try to turn away from that where I think that you should embrace it. You're a loser. You're a 40 fucking year old podcast. You're just like me. What else are you going to do? You're going to become a fucking vet. No, you're in it.

You're in it. You're a freak. I'm your life away. You're a freak. Yes. Okay. I, I, I'm a side show. You know, I admit that I'm, that I'm a desk Carney.

Like I'm, I'm behind a microphone. That's my life. That's fine. Like I'm, I'm happy with that. I'm actually, that's why I said, like I'm in a good place with a podcast at that, that, you know, fateful Fozoli's conversation. By the way, what a more consequential Dope Boys conversation. Fozoli's convo.

Truly. I really want someone to do an oil painting. Fozoli conversation. A day I was like, is the podcast going to end today? And then it was a very, it was a relief. It was a very nice. I remember you texted me about it afterwards. I was very relieved.

I'm, I'm with a, and I think this has come from both van and our van Robie show, our friend and, and, and sus. Like the attitude of like the, the, of just keep doing the show. Like I'm at that point now is like, I'll keep doing the show. I'll keep doing the podcast. I think what you maybe are talking about is other creative pursuits, which I, I, at some points I feel a drive towards that. But at other times I'm just like, what am I doing?

I got so much time to like go to the gym and play video games. That's fair. Like it's nice to not have like a full time job. It's nice to have. I feel like you have a lot to offer. That's all I'm saying. What are you saying? Are you saying?

Yeah, what are you saying? I'm saying, I'm saying like more than just doing the podcast, I think not losing that magical feeling of it and not having to just be like, this is a day job. I don't, I don't want that ever because that's not what I, what I signed up for. Well, let me say this. And I, and I get, and look, I will swallow that and be like, sometimes it will be a day job.

I get that. Sure. Go ahead and wax. Uh, you swallowing things pretty common. Jesus Christ. Just pull the zoom off the fucking. Is it okay? Are you still rolling?

I think it's okay. I hope that we fucking, I hope we lost everything. The, the, uh, I'm going to say the, the, I, I do like doing the podcast when we have a fun guest, you know, not when, when we don't have, let's say, a millionaire show runner, uh, who travels the world reviewing restaurants and thinks that he's, this is a 30 minute time commitment. Uh, when, when it's not those kind of episodes and it's like one of our friends or someone funny that like we've, we've, I, we've got, we've had people on the

first time guests this year that have been like, that person's super funny. I didn't even know them that well or that's a, that's a person I listened to their podcast and we had them on the show and we had a great time. Like, like that, that's fun. And I feel like that's, I, I like those conversations. I like them even more when they're in person, which is why I'm excited for us to be back in the studio for the next year. And I'll also just say in my defense.

By the way, we're going to be back in the studio next year. I mean, we're going to be back in the studio next year. Yeah. Well, we'll see cause we were supposed to be back today. We were. Yeah. Sorry. Anyway, we were supposed to be back Monday and then got canceled immediately. Well, we're, we're, we're, we're working on a replacement guest. Hopefully that'll work out anyway. Well, and this person do it.

Let's go to the salad place. It sucks. That's the idea sucks. But we've got to, but you understand. I do. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. There's a slot to be filled on Monday at the studio. We have to fill it. Yes. In my defense.

I complained about it. I groused about it. I was a pain in the ass to you and to Susser and to Emma and Amelia. I did the Christmas special and I did Yark Dobar Chest. Like I, like I will do these things. And you know what? Yark Dobar Chest was good. That was a good month. That was your idea. I took a nice gift. We fully committed to it.

It stressed the shit out of me, but we did it. And you know what? It came out great. Here's my question to you though is like, we got, we got three meals done in a day there. We got more than that. We got four episodes done, didn't we? Or something like that. I don't know. I think it was maybe just two, maybe two, two episodes in a double. Yeah.

Which is pretty good for just a day of, it's pretty good. But it also like was a thing. I kind of get, I kind of get the divide here. I think, I think I'm getting it. You both want to do these. I think doing these things isn't the problem. It's that like, Mitch, do you think so big and you have these big, great ideas and that's why you are who you are.

And you're so good at what you do because you do think big. And that's why it works. Thank you, Emma. But the scheduling of the big things can be really hard sometimes. And I'm a lot like Wags and that if it's stressful to schedule, it ruins the experience for me because all I can think about is how stressed I was up until it happened. You know what I mean?

And I think you can make the big things happen. We just need to like give ourselves, we need to be more patient with ourselves and the planning of things and give ourselves time to plan it properly instead of trying to like fist sit in there. But here's the other thing that's just about Weigar and Mitch, is that when you did have that big day where you were going to Disneyland and you were going to go to the Blue Bayou, right?

Yeah. Weigar, when did you, you were going to have, you were the plan was to sit down for lunch at 12.30 p.m. What time did you want to arrive at Disneyland? 12.30 p.m. The most magical place on earth. Didn't want to be there for one minute longer than necessary. Came at the end of our launch.

And I got to say this. You scheduled the pirate's dinner adventure. We were trying to go the week before. And then you scheduled pirate's dinner adventure. And then I, and then with the help of, of, of some good friends, we made, we made that day work. Like, like I, that stressed me out too. Like I made, I got us free.

I got us passes to our friend Adam. He gave us free passes to Disney. And I, and then I went there and we got the reservation. Like was that sort of thing? No, but I think that it was more. He had planned the pirate's dinner adventure. He had scheduled it for that night. Why'd you did?

That's what happened. Yes. But I brought, I bring it up that I think that part of your frustration is that you just would like Nick to be a little more open to magic. Sure. Where that, you know, if he's going to be at Disneyland anyway, maybe. Yeah, maybe come to Disney. But also, by the way, the scheduling for Disney wasn't my problem.

Well, guys, look, we've been talking now for 25 minutes. Should we get into the restaurant? Yeah. I mean, more like 75 minutes. Well, I said 25 because I imagine we're going to have to cut most of this out. No, it's all good. Yeah. Shake Shack was founded in NYC in 2004, 400 locations worldwide.

Reviewed twice before the Golden Plate Club. It made the Golden Plate Club when we visited with Jason Concepcion, nudged out of the GPC last year with Libby Watson. And we try to steak and shake every year with you, Susser. And we've sort of seen in recent years, you know, as steak and shake has collapsed under the stewardship of Sardar Biglari, you know, it's been harder and harder to get to and we've had to figure out new angles. We did a steak and a shake.

We did, last year we did Montes, which was like a vegan version of steak and shake. And Shake Shack, I guess, is kind of like. This year we talked about doing a big fancy steak dinner and milkshakes, another fucking thing that didn't happen. Yeah. I wanted to go get steaks. Chapter 10. I would love to get a big steak.

Suss, I'll still go get a big steak with you on the Doe Boys card. Wow. Right now they're running the Hot Ones promotion and they've also got some seasonal holiday offerings. Should we just get to our fork scores? I mean, timing wise, I feel like we should probably just get to our fork scores. Just quickly. Yeah.

There's a new, there's a new Shake Shack in Silver. Yes. And what's interesting about, which it was kind of an accident and kind of just out of convenience that we ended up doing Shake Shack. Uh-huh. But I was thinking about Shake Shack and I was like, oh man, like Shake Shack was like the cool thing. Yes. That like, you know, it was like, oh, you like it in York.

It was like, it was a cool thing. Like people would like whisper about it and then it just kind of, it became so ubiquitous that it kind of was like, ugh, at a certain point. Completely lost its specialness. Yeah. Kind of like a little podcast. Oh my God. Wow.

But on this visit, I was like, you know what? It's still pretty good. Kind of like a little podcast. I like that. So Mitch and I had the Silver Lake Burger, which I was skeptical of. It's exclusive Silver Lake Burger. You have pulled up what's on it. I pulled up the Silver Lake Burger.

Sus texted me last night. He said, can you go at 9 p.m.? Yes. And I appreciate you accommodated. Of course. And then he said, and then he said, I hope I'm not waiting and he wasn't waiting. I was there for about 10 to 15 minutes before he got there. It's true.

I got there and I was, and I got to say this, the parking is really bad. And a car pulled up and I was like, look at this asshole parking fucking so far back. Outstep Susser. He was driving his wife's car. It was very confusing how to park in that parking lot. The cars were very angled and also getting out was a whole fucking thing. Yeah. Look, the parking lot is bad.

Yeah. It's not only a parking lot. It is also, it's also where you sit. It's also their outdoor dining. Yeah. It's their dining section is the parking lot. Silver Lake is impossible to park in home of headgun studios. But Wally came, Wally and Irma both came downstairs because they were like nervous.

I think they hear me yelling. So look at this. This is very cute. He's scratching my leg. It's very cute. Like a post. So we get there. We walk in.

Suss moves his car up a little bit more. We decide on getting this Silver Lake burger, which is specific to the Shake Shack in Silver Lake. Yeah. It's regenerative farmed beef cheeseburger topped with LA's own Kalen and Kalen pickles. Grilled onions and Shack Sauce on a toasted potato bun. I got a double. Suss ordered himself a single. I said, you're not going to get double.

They change it to double. Change it to a double. We got Suss got fries. I got fries with the side of cheese dipping sauce wigs, which I would say maybe a little too cold. The cheese is not great. The cheese should have been hotter. They should.

They got to do something better with the fries or the fries are okay. Yeah, or something. The burger was very good. And when then we got the hot ones, chicken and bacon sandwich. We can talk about it. All right. We got the hot. We split the hot ones chicken sandwich wigs.

Yeah. And I got to say this, the hot ones chicken sandwich, I think it was pretty good. You said it was the best chicken sandwich you've had there. Yeah. Hold on. I would say there. I mean, I still, I still didn't like Popeyes like chicken sandwiches are better and much cheaper.

Yes. It blows the shake shack one out of the water. But it blows the shake shack one out of the water. Yeah. But yes, I thought that it sounded good. So a good, a good kick wags your heat seeker. Yeah. I got myself a yuzu orange cider, but there was also a conquered grape punch.

And so I said, you know what, give me a small of each. I want to try both of them. Sus ordered the harvest berry lemonade. They're out. So he ended up with a yuzu orange cider. What did you think of the orange cider, Sus? I kind of liked it. I kind of liked it too.

But that conquered grape punch just kind of tastes like grape juice and it was fucking delicious. And so that, that covers it. Hold on. That doesn't cover it all because I'm going to say this. I'm with Sus or I was like, whatever, shake shack, whatever. I don't, it's fine. I think people are a little too mean to it. I think it's good, but I don't like care enough to get it a lot of the time.

That's Silver Lake burger, Sus. I thought was fucking delicious. It was really good. It was really fucking, it was really good. Wags. I don't know if you wanted the Silver Lake location. I doubt it. No.

Those pickles, the Katelyn and Katelyn pickles, fucking great. The grilled onions, delicious. The thing is, it's like, man, this is like 800 calories. And even for a double, I'm like, it doesn't like satisfy the way. I don't know why it's so fucking caloric. I mean, I get it, but I'm also like, why is a big Carl just as caloric or, and it feels like it's, I'm like full when this doesn't feel like I'm full. It's very, you know, like it's very greasy.

But that burger was, was fantastic. And if you're ever in Silver Lake, you got to try it. It's worth a flight. It's worth a flight. It's worth the flight. Regenerative beef, by the way, I looked it up and because I was like, is that some science fiction, like lab grown shit? No, it's just a term for rotational grazing, which is there, you know, the,

basically the, the, the, the simpler, the simpler and the simplest terms, a, a cow is grazing on real grass with rich soil. So that's all it is. I also, I, so here's the thing, speaking to its ubiquity, which Susser was, was saying earlier, the two closest locations to me and the ones where I've recently had not great Shake Shack outings are at mall food courts. And so I was like, I should go to a proper Shake Shack for this episode. So I went to the Santa Monica location, which is in the hollowed out husk of a

former Panera, which itself was, was formerly a Pauly's Pies, a nice little diner that I remember going to the last week. And there was an old man by himself at the counter, ghost of Doe Boy's future. And, and he just said to us, he just said to the server, you say old man, I think you might be wrong about ghost of Doe Boy's future. He said to, he said to the waitress, I'm sure I'm going to miss this place. Oh my God. Which was just one of those things like Jesus Christ is fucking.

Because he's dying? No, because it was closing and what they're in the final week. Yeah. Oh, I thought this was a Shake Shack. Sorry. No, this was the Pauly's. It turned from a Pauly's Pies. It turned from a Pauly's Pies, which is like a local kind of micro chain.

There's a few in Long Beach to a, which is like a diner. And then it turned into a Padera as we gave this, this corporateized chain version of it. And then now it's a Shake Shack. Anyway, all that context was probably unnecessary. But I went to that location. It's a proper Shake Shack. And I got the Hot Ones Chicken.

I 86 the bacon. I thought it was, I thought this was a good, had a good fry on the, on the chicken. I gotta tell you, the bacon kind of helps. No, I thought it was bad. I think that was a good getting rid of the bacon. Yeah. I mean, it was like nothing. It's like that like sloppy fast food bacon.

That's like, so like nothing. Yeah. I think, I think the chicken breast is great. And, and I, I think I had a great fry to it. I love the crispy texture. I think the, the, I didn't love the hot one sauce is the thing. And I was trying to figure out what exactly it is, but it might just be, I do like vinegar, but it just might be too aggressively vinegary.

I was trying to figure out what, what element of it I just like didn't quite, it kind of had a sourness to it that I didn't love, even though I think the heat intensity was, was, was, was decent. I do like that potato, potato bun. And the cheese was completely unmelted. They just had like a basically like a room temp slice of Monterey Jack, which was a bummer. The cheese fries I thought were, were, were good. I mean, that was like, you know,

I just realized this is the first time you haven't gotten a steak, like a beef and a shake. No, last year we did monies. So that's one. And then I don't remember. I don't remember. I think I, I think I did have a, I did cast iron pan roast a steak. The year we did steaks and shakes at home. Anyway, these were the hot ones, cheese fries to be specific.

They're dusted with Aleppo pepper. And, and they give you a little sauce on the side for dipping. I actually like dipping these in ketchup more than the spicy steaks, spicy shack sauce. But yeah, these were, these were decent. I like their, their creak will cut fries. Here's the thing is the best item at Shake Shack, the hot dog. Because I minimize my, my, try to minimize my, my red meat consumption, but I have been trading myself to an increasing number of heated dogs.

Shout out to fish. Such an insane thing to not have red meat, but have hot dogs. Yeah. The thing that says they, the thing that they claim like takes time off your life when you eat them. But I can't, I can't resist the hot dogs sometimes. Sure. Sure. It's, it's.

We agree. They, they split and grill it on the flat top. Yeah. It is such a great, just classic dog. And you know, Shake Shack started as a hot dog stand. So it would make sense, but I think it gets forgotten. It gets lost in the shovel, but it's, it's, I think it's the best thing they have there. Um, and should we talk shakes at all?

Absolutely. Of course we got to talk shakes. It's, it's, it's a steak and shake episode. We should talk shakes for sure. And then we should talk a little bit more about Mitch's feelings about Nick. And if he has talent and fuck off. So I wanted the Christmas. You made Wally run away.

Look, Nick. Yeah. I was going to say this for the end, but we should do it here. I love you buddy. Uh, I'm, I'm lucky to have done this as many years with you as I have. And Suss and Emma and Amelia. Emma, you keep the ship running. Uh, Amelia, you also keep the ship running.

Um, Amelia still doesn't really quite know what the podcast is, which is great. God bless her. Which is good. It's great. It's great. She's also like, you should review pubes and we're like, we already have. Like we have to say stuff like that. Um,

I'm not going to make her listen to this episode. This is, this is actually cathartic. I, I feel, I feel better wise after talking about stuff. So, and, and, and I, and I love me. And I think that you're so funny. I still feel like shit. Can I be completely honest? I feel the same.

Like I don't feel like, I like having this conversation. I appreciate the honesty. I just kind of feel the same. Yeah. You know what? That's another thing that I should just be like, yeah, of course. Yeah. You feel the same.

Uh, but I'm going to miss this podcast. Anyways, uh, look, people love you too. They're going to just be mad at me when this episode comes out. I don't think so. Don't be mad at Mitch. This is an honest comment. No, they're going to be nice. I really think they're going to be nice.

Um, I, I, uh, I love you. Let's keep doing the podcast. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a good year. I don't think it's going to be as stressful as last year. Um, well, you never know. Uh, it's an, if we're going next the year after that as an election year, it's going to probably be start being bad.

Uh, look, uh, And you guys are going to be voting for different candidates or different parties. Uh, so we ordered our shakes and we had them on hold. Yes. As we got there, you had told us the Christmas cookie shake, the one you wanted. There was no more vanilla custard. Guess what we get there.

Same fucking thing for Susan. Wow. Out of vanilla, a very popular flavor. And here's the thing that was killer cause I wanted to try it. Uh, our front of knees told us it was very good. Um, He's like, that's the best one. Yeah.

And, um, there was, here's the thing is that there was one that was on the shelf for pickup order. So if you would honestly, if you would come like 15 minutes, if you, I think, All right, I'm sorry. No, I'm not blaming you. I'm saying like, I think it is a difference within 10 minutes.

Yeah. There was one and then Mitch asked someone's like, it was like for a pickup order and Mitch was like, can you just give that one to us? I did say like, I'm the woman kind of laugh. And then, but then he was like, But seriously, can you?

And then she's like, no. And then I jumped the counter. Um, I was sad to not try it. So then we ordered, we put in the orders for the cookies and cream and the. Yes. Chocolate peppermint shake.

Yeah. We got the milk. What is it? It's the cookies and milk chocolate milk and cookies shake. And that's what I got as well. And the, what was the pepper one called? You just had it there. The chocolate peppermint shake.

And so we already have these orders in. We're eating. We're two fat guys in the back of the restaurant eating burgers. And then a guy who works there is like, would he say like, Oh, like, are you getting shakes? Yeah. He started talking to us about the burgers. Yeah.

And then he said, Oh, we said, Oh, we like this. So like burger and he's like, and have you tried the shakes? And there's a new seasonal shakes. We're only going to have them for a limited time. They're amazing. Like, especially the cookies one.

Well, you're out of that. And he's like, well, all of them are great. And they're only going to be here a little bit of time. And then we're never going to make them again. And he goes, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. This is true. To have these shakes. He was,

these shakes up so much. True. And we're finished. And then we're like, well, we got to go get the shakes. Yes. But we get the shakes. Look, here's, this is, this is. Sus said his wife, Jamie,

wanted to shake on the dough boys dime. I said, not a problem. Yes. And, and, and, and so we got, we got, I got the chocolate milk and cookies and Dwight's got one of, and the summer side sus got one of each to got the peppermint, chocolate shake or whatever it is in the, in a chocolate milk and cookies.

You decided to, to drink the peppermint. Yes. Shake and look on your face. I'm like, oh, once in a lifetime shake. And I take a sip. And it's just like a chocolate shake with like some peppermint sprinkles. That's it.

It tastes like nothing. His, his face dropped. He was like, not happy. In fact, it felt like our outing was over at that point. You were ready to go. Yep. Um, and, and there was clear disappointment on his face. I'll say this as a chocolate lover,

that chocolate cookies and milk or chocolate milk and cookies, whatever the fuck it is. I liked it quite a bit. Wags. I fucking, I thought it was nice and chocolate. You got cookie chunks in there. I told us to throw away the mint shake and just get a new one, but he didn't do it.

Did you try the, the, the chocolate milk and cookie shake? Here's the thing. I got home. I've had to lean on Jamie a lot this week because I've been on set on the show, killing it that I've been working on. And so she's been, you know, with our daughter, she's been doing basically all the childcare. I thought this was going to be the nice thing that I would

show up with a milkshake. Um, after, you know, going out and come home, she's fallen asleep. Oh boy. So I put the milkshake in the freezer. I have no idea how that's going to hold up. What on earth? What should have I done?

You should have drank it pretending you never got it for her. What are you thinking? Pretend you didn't get it for her? Yeah. It's not like a move. They were out. This is what, I mean, I'm not married. Clearly I don't know what to do.

Um, Wally and Irma are sitting here with Sus. It was very cute. You actually just backed into Irma and scared her off, but it was very, they've, they've come and Sus, they like you. What did you think of the milkshake swagger? Well, you want to just blow by that? You know, you know, yeah, sure. I love your cats.

Uh, first off, I think the freezer is the right move. I've done that before with shakes. I think that's, that's your best option. So maybe it's good today. Who knows? You can eat it like an ice cream. Uh, the chocolate milk and cookie shake I thought was fine. I don't love chocolate in the same way that you do, bitch.

I'm, you know, I'm a big vanilla advocate. I know that. I would have really liked to try the Christmas cookie shake. I think a chocolate, you know, I do, but I do really like milkshakes. I do kind of feel like, like, like Sus's assessment of the peppermint shake is kind of how I feel about the book and cookie shake. It was just like, it was a chocolate shake with some chocolate cookie crumbles in it. It was like, it was very much a down the middle execution of that.

And I will say that, that, that my biggest, my biggest thought on it is I did not have to exert self-control not to finish it. Like I had about half of it and was like, I get it. I don't need any more of this. I had even less and Mitch was so mad. I wasn't, no, I wasn't mad. I was mad because you went to throw away a full shake, which I offered you to do, but I was like, if you're going to throw it away, I want to try more of it.

That's all I want to do. I want to try more. And you know what? It wasn't good. I mean, shake wasn't, wasn't good, but I thought the milk and cookie shake was good. Oh, we got to get to our fork score. Yeah. So, Susser, you know the drill, your final thoughts, your score from zero to five forks.

I mean, I really think that I'm digging in that Shake Shack is like the Doughboys podcast. So that's for forks. Wow. Wow. Good score. That's pretty good. It's still good. Even sometimes if I can like be completely honest in a way that I haven't before this year,

I sometimes have gotten a little behind on listening to the podcast. And I'm understanding. There's a lot more options. There's a lot more options and I don't, and I'm like, I fucking talked to these guys enough. I've heard enough of this. I don't always need to listen, but then you know what? I listen and it still makes me laugh.

Wow. And I still enjoy it. That's nice. Even if the guest is only eh. Yeah. Right. The guest is like, you know, what are you saying? Like some sort of former showrunner guy.

Right. Some former showrunner who thinks he can be in and out in 15 minutes. Right. Clay, he was a fan of the show, was excited to do it. Yeah. Hypothetically. But no, I still think, look, I still think the burger is really good. And I'm like, I'm not going to, except for the fact that I'm trying to not eat quite

as many cheeseburgers in my life. But beyond that, I'm like, would never be unhappy to have a burger from Shake Shack. Cause you once rivaled Wimpy, correct? Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to go with four forks. Wow. Spoon man. What do you think?

If I had a rank this year, there's things that happen to me that are five forks this year. Got two twisted metal wigs there. Right. And I think that we did have. Got to walk up and down flights of stairs. Got to walk upstairs every day. There was, I think while touring, there was fun stuff while touring, even though it was

kind of crazy and chaotic. But overall this year feels like a two and a half. And you know what? Well, I, Sus, I think that the podcast. Things often, things often said to Mitch in his bedroom. Jesus Christ. You want to have hard? So I think that the, and God bless you if you got that and you're working with it.

I'm sure you're kicking butt. You're doing better than I am. You know what's funny wags? Yeah. I came up on my bullies. I said that I had one bully in my life. It was Ryan Whitney. And like, you know, like, like I'm like, if anything close to a bully, I don't think that

I was like bullied that much. And then he, he addressed it. He was on a podcast and he addressed it and people were tweeting at me. Really? Yes. Wow. I didn't know that. And he was like, I don't remember this.

And he said that he didn't think it happened. And if you look at him, he's a fat fucking loser. So he probably has to make up stuff like this. Well, actually. The other guy that he was doing it with was more annoying and he's like just making fun of kids with acne because they talked about what it was. And I was like, you're fucking your 40 year old dude making fun of people with acne. You fucking loser.

Anyways, but Whitney. I wrote a thing to Whitney. I wrote it. I DMed him and was like, I DMed him and I was like, Hey man, I don't have a, because they were talking about how like, he was like, I feel bad. He has a grudge. And so I DMed him and I was like, Hey man, I don't have a grudge. Like we talked about this on the podcast.

And you know what? He wrote back and was, was very nice. Wow. And so, so that, that I buried a hatchet. It's a. Is he going to come on the podcast? I mean, I doubt that that will happen. We're in different worlds, but it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a night.

It was honestly a genuinely nice response. And, and, and it was a, it was, it was, it was, it was very, and he was like, Hey, congrats on your success. And I said, Hey, same to you. And that was kind of a, that was, that was kind of it. It was kind of a nice bearing of, of the hatchet. And, and, and I, well, I also wanted to know that like, it wasn't a thing that I was holding a grudge about.

I know you call me a grudge man. So this man bullies you when you're a kid and then your next interaction with him is you apologizing. We were 14 years old. I don't count. I mean, like I felt bad that he had to address it. And it was, it was fun to tell on the pocket. It's fun to say that your bullies are professional hockey player.

I mean, that is fun. Anyways, that's, that's the hatchet buried. And I look, I'm looking forward to next year wigs. And I think the podcast is still fun and good in its own way. It sucks to say that it's good yourself, but I think Shake Shack still has some of that magic too. And I taste it when we ate that Silver Lake burger. So I'm going with sus.

I'm going for forks. I think it's a four forker. I would, I would, but like you, Mitch, I was mostly like, I was mostly untouched by bullies. Very fortunate. I didn't really have much bullying I had to deal with the closest thing. I had a couple of kids who were kind of in a couple of incidents in sixth grade. I think that, that transition to middle school, like I was like, you know, kind of dealing with that.

You get this that like middle school doesn't even count. You know what I mean? Like it's like, come on. Yeah, sure. It's a different thing. But anyway, but what I was going to say is that, you know, I had a couple of kids who were kind of harassing me every morning before school began when I got there. And I told my older brother about it, my brother Nate, my Alpha brother.

And he said, here's what you do. My brother's like five years older than me. Very cool. He's like, go up to them tomorrow. First things first, say like, frankly, blank, say their name. I think you're an asshole in a British accent and say it to both of them. And I was like, okay, all right, sure. I'll take your advice.

I would go up the next day and I go up to one of the kids. He's a different name. But I go, frankly, Ethan, I think you're an asshole. Oh my God. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish.

You know what? It fucking worked. They were so thrown off. Whoa. Whoa, man. What's wrong? What's wrong with Ethan? No, we're just having fun, man.

They were so thrown off that it stopped. That was the last day of harassment. Never happened again. And you know what? The kids became one of my best friends. That's insane. Is that the one who put the dead bird in your locker? No, different guy.

That is insane. I mean, your brother is Alpha. And now hearing this story, I'm like, I'm not sure how Alpha he is anymore. But no, I figured it out because it effectively was like, I was throwing them off so much that they had no idea how to handle it. And like he understood like the brain of a bully. You come at them in a different direction. It's two things at once.

Cause if you just said, I think you're an asshole. I mean, you think you're an asshole if you or, and if you were like British me like, I won't be bothered by that today. You'd be like, why are you doing a fucking weird accent? You lose it. But it's two things at once. In like short circuits of bully's mind. It's like, do I make fun of the accent?

Do I make fun of him standing up for himself? I don't know. It's actually, man, your brother fucking rules. Your brother does rule. I'm going to say this. If you came up to me and you said, frankly, Mitch, you're an asshole. I would kick the shit out of you. And I would call Ryan Whitney over to help me.

We both fucking beat the shit out of you. But, but, but by the way, yes, it was that now that Susser says it, it was that sort of thing of me being like, you're an asshole. And then I think he was like, you're an asshole. Like, look, we were, we were in freshman English class and we did stand up to fight, which is a proud moment for me, which he doesn't even remember. But it did. Are you able to stand?

Yeah. But I was able to stand up and I knew that I would get my ass kicked. But I was like, let's do this. And also cause on the podcast, they're like, like a teacher would shut that down. She did shut it down. Like she, but I'm saying she let it get to that point. Anyways, the hatchet is buried. Wow.

There. And, and why I got to use that. I got to use from here on out. If you're from here on out, if you're bothering me, you might get frankly, why could you have an asshole? You're a wanker, isn't it? So the, it falls to me whether you think it would work in England. If an English boy was getting bullied.

If he said, Hey, you're an asshole. Like did like an American accent. That's a great question. I think it could work. I think it absolutely could work. I think he'd be fucking recruited by Hollywood and be in a million movies in America. So it falls to me whether this goes into the golden plate club and.

And again, keeping in mind that we've both established this metaphor that it's like the podcast. Yeah. Right. So it's both a review of the restaurant and also a review of the podcast. Yes. Of us and our collective. And there's been the criticism that maybe you're a little less of a, you

know, enthusiastic person. And that sometimes when there's a little bit of magic, you don't, you don't just get on board. So anyway, with all that in mind, what do you, what's your rating? Processing all of that. You know, it has become ubiquitous. It is, I feel like it's, it's, it's lost its specialness. And I will, I will, you know, I'm going to go to, I'm going to, I'm going to defer

to my lovely wife, Natalie, because I got home from Shake Shack and I go up to her and I say, Shake Shack is very, and she finished the thought for me. She said a word that I don't commonly say, but is a word that I understand. It's, it's, it's meaning. She said, she, she says mid. And that's how I feel about Shake Shack. And that's how I feel about the dough boys. And so my score is three, four.

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continues towards the conclusion. Hey, it's time for a segment. I got a food related exam and Mitch and Suss must compete for superiority. This is Slop Quiz, Holodo Foods Edition. This is compiled by our associate producer Amelia Marino. I think this is a really nifty quiz. So here's all it is. I'll give you a question.

You'll both have an opportunity to respond. Actually, I mean, you know, whoever goes first, I'll tell you if you're right or wrong. So, you know, buzz in if you think you know it. Okay, first up, first question. And these are all multiple choice. Which country originated gingerbread? Your options are A.

Greece, B. Germany, C. Holland, D. Mitch. Belgium. Go ahead, Mitch. Belgium. Not Belgium.

Fuck. The other option, Susser, A. Greece, B. Germany, C. Holland. And it wasn't even the one that I wanted. Germany. That's what I was going to say.

No, unfortunately. You're both wrong. It's Greece. It's Greece. I'm shocked. It's Greece. Also, I don't know why Germany makes me think of it, but I also have to complain that your intro material about Santa and the reindeer being

uncut was particularly unwelcoming to me. Anyway, next question. By the way, I'm going to say all those gingerbread men probably uncut wise. They're coming from Greece. Hell, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know it.

Yeah, gingerbread originates from Greece. Susser, you might have been thinking this because the gingerbread house comes from Germany. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I knew that. I knew that. We all were thinking of that. You're both at zero.

Next question. From which country does eggnog originate? A. The U.S. B. Mexico. C. England. Mitch. Or D. Mitch.

France. I'm going England. Mitch, you're on the board. Whoa. Oh, let's have a nip of some dog. Are any of these going to be fucking Hanukkah questions? I mean, I don't know if these are. I guess these are Christmas questions.

We'll get their susser. Is eggnog and gingerbread men Christmas? Yes. What do you think they are? I guess you're right. I thought they were just kind of holidays. I think this quiz you'll find very inclusive. We'll continue.

Question three. Ancient Romans invented fruitcake for what reason? A. To satisfy their wives. B. To satisfy the gods. C. To sustain soldiers in battle. D. As a prank. Thus. B.

C. You are correct. It was a battlefield ration. Because of its portability and shelf life. All right. Next question. I knew that it was about shelf life. Conscript me if that's how it's going to be.

Question four. It might have been a prank too. All right, go ahead. Question four. From which country do latkes originate? A. Austria. B. Russia. C. Israel.

D. Italy. Well, I'll let you ring in first. Sus. Go ahead. It was Russia was an option? Yes. Russia. It's not Russia.

Mitch. Mitch, the other options are A. Austria, C. Israel, D. Italy. Now I feel like Israel is the answer I want to go with, but I feel like that can't be right, right? Austria. It's not Austria, amazingly. It's not. It's Italy.

That's insane. The first connection between Hanukkah and pancakes were made by an Italian rabbi in the 14th century. Hey, are these going to be all Hanukkah questions or what? Question four. Who invented hot chocolate? A. The Romans. B. The Mayans.

C. The Mesopotamians. Mitch. The Greeks. Go ahead, Mitch. The Mayans. You are correct. Is that what that show was about? Yeah.

Yeah, brewing hot chocolate. And they had cool jackets. Number five. That's good. Soufganyot is the Hebrew word for what? Soufganyot. Thus, jelly donuts. You are correct.

It is jelly donuts. What were the options? Option A. Wait, pronounce it again. Soufganyot. Would you read the question? The phonetic pronunciation I have here is Soufganyot. Soufganyot.

That's not it. No. I mean, Soufganyot, I guess, just said quickly and more confidently. I guess that's right. I just want to hear the question-wise and the options. It's the Hebrew word for what traditional Hanukkah food? The options are jelly donut, applesauce, and sour cream,

matzo ball soup, or brisket. And it is jelly donut. That's a traditional Hanukkah food? It is. It's jelly donuts? Yeah. Fried in oil. Hey, maybe.

Yeah, I know. Might be doing some snipping after this episode. I'm sniffing. Midora shows up. Yeah. I think they maybe snipped a little too much off. Yeah. Next up, according to folklore, why do candy canes have hooks?

A, to hang on trees. B, to get a more prominent swirl. C, to ward off evil spirits. D, to remind unruly children of the shepherds who visit infant Jesus. Yes. D. Why not? It is D.

It is D. Yeah. Here is some context from Amelia. Unruly children remind them of the shepherds. The choir master at Cologne Cathedral in Germany wanted to quiet down the loud children at his church, so he asked a local candy maker for sugar sticks. To justify giving candy to children during worship services,

he asked the candy maker to create a hook to the top of each stick to help children remember the shepherds who visited infant Jesus. Wow. All right, we have two more. Mitch is in the lead with three. Susser has two. Anyone's game. Next one.

According to southern folklore, eating which of the following foods will bring about good fortune in the new year? A, pickled herring and rice. B, colored greens and black eyed peas. C, lentils and sausage. D, biscuits and gravy. I need to give this one a tie. Yeah.

I know it. Emma knows it. It's the... Oh. What? No. Suss. Yeah.

B. Black eyed peas. You are correct. Apparently, the peas represent coins and the greens represent paper money. Let's get it started in here. I made some greens for Thanksgiving. Big hit.

Mitch, say it again. Let's get it started in here because Susser has tied it up. That was great. And peas, right? Was the answer? Yeah, black eyed peas. I couldn't think...

I literally couldn't think of another black eyed peas song. I mean, they had so many. Next up. A traditional dish often served on Jewish holidays. Kugel is a baked casserole usually made with either noodles or potatoes. What does the word Kugel translate to? We made a joke that Kugel would come up.

Kugel. Kugel. A starch. B eggs. C pudding. D sphere. Okay, what was the question? B eggs.

Mitch, you are wrong. Fuck, tied up. What was the question? A traditional dish often served on Jewish holidays. How do you say it, Susser? Kugel. The phonetic pronunciation I have here is Kugel. Okay.

You're saying Kugel. I trust you. I'm just saying. Also, you're saying Kugel. Kugel? Okay, go on. Kugel is a baked casserole usually made with either noodles or potatoes.

What does it translate to? A starch. B eggs. C pudding. D sphere. I really don't know. I guess maybe pudding. A starch.

The word Kugel comes from German for sphere globe ball. Weird. So the Yiddish name is a reference to the round puffed up shape of the earliest version of the dish. It's a tie. Wow. I like that. Everyone wins.

Everyone wins. That's good. Just like a restaurant value feedback. Let's open up the feedback. Today's email is from Ryan in Denver. Ryan writes, I was reading some popcorn from one of the ubiquitous giant holiday tins. I think that was a good ratio of Hanukkah questions.

There were three. Okay, all right. There were three out of eight. That's fine. I'm just joking. Ryan writes, I was recently eating some popcorn from one of the ubiquitous giant holiday tins and realized that while I love the combination of caramel popcorn along with a cheddar

powder popcorn, I never see those flavors mixed that way in other contexts. And objectively, it seems insane when I stopped to think about it. Are there any other flavor combinations you enjoy which shouldn't work or you only enjoy in a specific context? PS, while I hope the question stands on its own, it's also a great excuse to hear Mitch say popcorn repeatedly.

Thanks, Ryan. I just want to say that. Sus answered the jelly doughnut question faster than I've ever seen anyone answer a question about anything. He was like a pre-cog. That was just what he was going to say. Yeah. It's a good question.

These questions are really so hard to think of off the top of your head, but did you have one? A flavor combination which shouldn't work or you only enjoy in a specific context. I mean, this is the thing. This is maybe a cop-out answer because I think so many people do this, but I always think of dipping fries in a shake. We're talking about today's chain.

That's always a great thing to do and that makes sure it's salty and sweet. I like that. And I also, similarly, yogurt-covered pretzels I never thought should work. I was like, this looks revolting. And you know what? It's fucking good.

Those work great. Yeah. Those are very good. You know what my answer is? What's that? What's that? Wow. Beautiful.

The two of us together. That's good. Thank you, Seth. Yeah. It shouldn't work and you only enjoy in a specific context, i.e. listening to Doe Boys. I guess popcorn. It's funny with those tins.

I eat them all individually. Yeah, I don't mix them. I don't mix them. I'm also not a big popcorn guy. Yeah. I know that about you. I think it's insane. I think my answer is that I don't really like to do that

that much. So, do you have anything? I don't know if I do. I think I just like all foods together. You know what? I think the only the weird thing, yes, me too. Nothing will bother me. I think sometimes I'll put pickles on stuff that maybe

sometimes don't need pickles. Take a cheese, put some pickles on there. That's normal, though. That's a normal thing. I like, here's something I'll do. If I'm in a pinch and I have salad dressing, I'll use mustard. And you know what?

It kind of works. That's pretty good. Nick, I'm going to go to end the episode. Nick and Mitch. Should we take out the earlier version? Yeah, take out the earlier one. We're just ending the episode. No, move the earlier one because it was good to hear.

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Listen live on Spotify. That's going strong, Mitch. Man, we didn't even get into Spotify. Yeah. Well, you cut me out of that thing and how that worked out. You got yourself fucking canceled. I never appeared on the damn thing. Nothing.

We got one last episode. Come on. I'm busy. I have plans. Yeah. I don't want to do it. We did it, but I didn't want to. You wanted to. That's not true.

Yeah, you did. You said Spotify is getting too much criticisms from people. It's bullshit. We got to get on that platform and show them that it's good. Jesus Christ. And you specified it's both you like it, one that they have Joe Rogan on, and also that they pay musicians, you know,

you know, a pittance and have basically made recording our, and I like that you liked both of those things. And you wanted to support Spotify. Why? Look, here he is poking the B's nest again. Why? I'm going to say this. Yes.

Big business. I'm the fucking bear that goes to the B's nest. Why? I'm going to say this. We gave a bad answer. If you give us the things you mixed up with your food, hashtag all mixed up, all mixed up, not 311. Yes.

Hashtag all mixed up, not 311. Let us know what you mix up. And if you have a, and if you have any posthumous answers from Adobe's like fan who died, you want to throw in there. We'll take those as well. Susser. We love you, buddy. Thanks so much for being here.

Thanks for all you do for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And there might be a Hanukkah bonus coming in the middle. You can fucking keep it. I think you'd like to plug Susser. You want it? Killing it season two on Peacock.

Coming out sometime. A lot of funny people past Doe Boy's guests. Oh, and me and Mitch. Wow. Look for that. Check that out. And hey, that'll do it for the final new Doe Boys of 2022. We'll be back in 20.

We'll have a, we're going to rerun a couple of doubles and we're going to have a best of of the Spotify live show that will be coming in the main feed and then 2020. Again, the best of wasn't that best. You just pulled a, you pulled a camp crust or a crusty land right there. Why? A crusty land?

All right. End the episode. Bye everybody. No, wait. No, explain that. What do you mean? Nothing can possibly go wrong. It's kind of what you were, you did a, oh fuck this.

Oh, I get, yeah. Yeah. And you, and you, you mean inchy and scratchy land. Oh. Well, Emma, crusty was a different thing. I said crusty land, but still, Emma. Yeah. They don't go to crusty land.

Edit the last bit of this episode out. Scratchy land. We're, we're starting on a good foot in 2023. Bye everyone. No flubs in 2023 until next time. But the Spoonman, Mike Mitchell, I'm, I'm Nick Weigar. Happy eating. See ya.

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