Doughboys - Tournament of Chompions: Chick-fil-A v. Wendy’s with Ryan Perez

Episode Date: March 6, 2017

The Tournament of Chompions: Chicken Fight continues, with Ryan Perez (Moonbeam City, SNL) helping Mitch and Wiger in their month long Munch Madness to determine the best chain restaurant chicken in the game. Chick-fil-A takes on Wendy’s in the second matchup of the first round: Sandwich Region.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Who invented the fried chicken sandwich? As true at Cathy, a devout southern Baptist who founded his restaurant chain based on the concept as the Dwarf Grill in the 1940s is so confident in his claim that he made it the company's slogan. Others say it was a traditional southern dish that Cathy merely popularized. Dave Thomas, the doting father who named his burger and fries chain after his beloved daughter, never asserted innovation, but the crispy chicken sandwich the company introduced to its menu in 1980 and the spicy variation it added in 1996 are two of its signature

dishes. So who comes out on top when you put breaded bird between bread? This week on Doughboys, the second matchup of the quarter pounder final round of Munch Madness, the Tournament of Champions, Chicken Fight, Sandwich Region, Chick-fil-A, and Wendy's. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants. We're a production of FeralAudio.com. I'm Nick Weigert.

Please welcome my co-host, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Howdy ho! To Spoon Nation. Hello, Nick. Hi, Mitch. No, we established a detente on the previous episode. No drops from you. Yep.

No roast Spoon Man's from me. I get to say howdy ho. You still get to say howdy ho. I still get to do my long intro. We came to an agreement that you get to do your intro, I get to say howdy ho. Two things that are very important to us. Yes. And no one else.

No one who listens to it. No one who listens to the podcast wants to get through the section as quickly as possible. They want to hear me say that thing from South Park from 20-something years ago, right? That you've appropriated as your catchphrase. That I appropriated that came out maybe the same year as the Spicy Chicken Sandwich, I feel like. Might have been. Probably pretty close.

What a year. What a good time. Mr. Hankey would have been a little after that. 1996. South Park was out at that point, right? I don't think so. No? I don't think it was out in 1996.

I think it was 97 or 98 even. Wow. Wow. That's great. No. South Park, the movie was like... Not 99, is it? Yeah, I think it was 99.

What? Maybe 98. I gotta figure this out. Someone knows. We'll figure this out. Here, look it up on your phone. Mm-hmm. Mitch, we're in the tournament of chompions, chicken fight.

It's the best of the best. Chain restaurant chicken is what we're evaluating. That's right. I want to recap the rules real quick for anyone who might not be familiar with exactly what we're doing. Well, they don't really matter. They don't really... But they are important to me.

We're only talking about the main dishes. Uh-huh. Sides, stay on the sidelines. Drink, you're in the Gatorade jug also on the sidelines. Yes, we used to say drinks are in the stink, but then Fran pointed out that that sounds like they're in our assholes. Right. Well, we changed it originally because it didn't follow the sideline metaphor quite

right. That is true. But then Fran pointed out it also just sounds kind of weirdly dirty. So... Mm-hmm. I agree with that. I think it's good we don't say drinks are in the stink anymore, even though it does rhyme.

Um, but yes. And then if you want to check out the bracket and the where things are right now, Ferrellaudio.com has the tournament bracket. It's also on our social media. Did you find out what year South Park was out? I certainly did. 1997, the show began. Okay.

And so, I mean, for all you sticklers out there that we're not saying the short or anything like that, but the series, the actual Comedy Central series began in 1997. 1999 was the movie. Okay. The great couple of years there, Spicy Chicken Sandwich, then next year you got South Park. Then a couple of years later, you got South Park, the movie. Then you got Star Wars Episode 1, The Phantom Menace. Right.

That's 1998, right? That's 1999. Oh, that's 1999 too. Yeah. And then in 2001, you got 9-11. So real, real run there. Quite the drop-off in 2001. My first year in college, 2001, in September 11th.

I was on... I was... I had dropped out of college at that point and I was on my... But I had gotten a job at college and at that same college working IT. That's embarrassing. Yeah, working. So I wasn't a student there, but I was working full-time in the IT department. I think for the psychology department, I don't fucking remember.

I did a very bad job. But I was riding the bus and I heard guys talking about 9-11, like I just woke up and put my clothes on and got on the bus to work and then I just heard people talking about like, yeah, they think it was like someone shot, they think it was like a missile or something. They said, yeah, both towers. And that was like how I learned about it. I was like, what the fuck is...

I just knew something bad had happened. And have you done any research since then? No, that's as far as I've gone. Okay. Someone shot a missile and knocked down some building of some kind. We won't get into 9-11 too much because it's a very sad and dark subject. But I've told you this before, I saw the second plane flying through a building because my next-door neighbor in college told me to come in and look at that.

He's like, some idiot flew a plane into the building. Didn't know what it was. That it was a pilot error. Then we saw as the second plane flew in, like we saw either the aftermath of that, went to my class, which was a politics class. I told this kid who told the professor and he thought it was nothing at first. Then there was news that there was a plane flew into the Pentagon. So he put the news up on a big screen TV and a big screen in a theater.

We were in a theater. Like it was a movie-sized screen and we saw it all, the towers fall on a movie-sized screen. That's intense. It was insane. Jesus Christ. It was really, really, really crazy. And you were in New York State. I was in New York State.

So not, I mean, not right in the middle of it, but in the... In upstate New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were people who had family and stuff who were there. Right. Yeah. That's fucking intense. And I also lived in the East Tower of Ithaca, which was not be targeted at all because

no one cares. But I was in a tower. Mm-hmm. That's scary kind of. Yeah. It was scary. Right. Anyways, it's always good to start a podcast by talking about 9-11.

Right. I take the blame for that one. Let's introduce our guest. Yeah, the king of 9-11 himself. Oh boy. Let's find out where he was that fateful day. You know him as a writer and director whose credits include Comedy Central's Moonbeam City, Hidden America, and Funny or Die, our friend Ryan Perez.

Back from our Fudruckers episode, hi, Ryan. Hey, Ryan. Hi, how you doing? I think the lesson here is that when you get rid of all that bullshit at the top of an episode, it takes you into this dark 9-11 territory. Right. It's like you didn't play the drop and now you end up talking about buildings dropping for God's sake.

You're right. The playful insult and then the silly drop injects some levity into it instead of us talking about the darkness of our shared reality. Yes, that's true. We're talking about steel bean. Boy. Whether what truly melted those steel beans. What could melt a steel bean?

No, you're both a truther and a 9-11 truther. You're more so, that is not true. You're a New York City guy. You like films of the city. Is that right? Is that fair to say? Oh, yes. The films of New York City.

Well you're an orange county. You're from Orange County, California. I'm from Orange County, sure. Yeah. And you actually went to UCLA. You and I went to the same school, but at the same time. Or maybe we might have been the same time. I don't know.

We didn't know each other. No. Yeah, I was there 2000, around 2000. So probably around the time I was working there you were attending school, but I was on South Campus. Oh, okay. You would have been on North Campus. Yeah.

Yeah, I would have been. I was North Campus at the film school. And the only discussion that I like more than 9-11 is the intricacies of people's college campuses. If I have to hear one more discussion about like, you know, we did a sketch show in the quad. Right. It's like I would rather put a bullet in my head.

I'm with you on this actually. Where did you guys go to school? UCLA. Oh, wait. What? UCLA? UCLA is one of the greatest schools in the nation. Great public university.

Yes, that's a good, that's a good, I didn't know that you went there, Nick. I thought you were on some sort of bullshit school. Oh, did you go somewhere else for a second or no? No, I went to UCLA, but I dropped out. I didn't graduate. Okay. But you know what? Here's what I learned.

Job application. You can just say you graduated. No one checks that shit. No one ever checks it. I have a diploma waiting there for me. Never picked it up. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I might go grab that. You should. Take it home. I've gotten multiple jobs by saying I have a BA or BS. No problem. Well, Nick, unlike Ryan and I, you're living your life as a liar. Right. That's how I got this podcast.

I lied on my resume. For a lot of you, it was like, ah, check this out. This guy's a college man. Yeah. Does he have a degree? Okay. Quick. Let's check his degree.

My mom and people get angry at me when I tell younger kids to not go to school, which I do. I do a lot. Right. There are pluses to going to school for sure. I think it's mostly, though, like a big part of it is a certification. It's like you're going through the certification process. So it's kind of like saying, like, oh, they vouched for you, like an institution vouched

for you. Yeah. I think that's part of going through upright citizens brigade to pick something that we know. That's my alma mater. Right. But you're like... It's a UCB.

You see, more like a UCB. Oh, boy. But you're kind of getting like... Thank you, Dell. We've been held up. For the certification. We've been held up. I don't know if I'd be able to officially tell a joke, twerp not for...

Dell. Dell. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be disrespected. Weigar got as uncomfortable last episode when I also ripped on Dell Close a little bit. Here's the thing. I don't give a shit about Dell Close. But I don't...

I feel... I know people who have some connection with him. Yeah. So I don't want to be like, hey, fuck this dead bozo. But because I know people who were like, oh, well, I like Dell or respect Dell or learn something from Dell. But also, who gives a shit, I guess? Well, I think maybe the disingenuous respect for someone you never met is maybe if someone

knew Dell Close, that's terrific, great. You know him and you have memories and he had an influence on your life. But I think a reverence for... I don't know, though. I respect people with a reverence even though they're long dead. So, you know. That's the kind of mentality you were parodying there, like that kind of acolytes reverence for a man as if he was an impromptu messiah.

Yes. Also, the period has been 20 years since Dell has passed. I don't fucking know. 15, 20 years. It's been a long time. Yeah. Enough time has passed. I think also, just in any time in comedy, when someone gets self-serious or sad, like

there's a CNN show on right now called History of Comedy, which is I would rather gouge my eyes out than watch people seriously talk about, you know, like when Bill Hicks got on the stage. Yeah. Man, this got like I would rather do anything. Seriously. Funny. I would rather watch a Holocaust.

I would rather watch 10 Holocaust documentaries than one on the History of Comedy. That would be possibly more interesting. I mean, definitely more interesting. That night at the store, Carlin had everyone eating out of his hand. Is this the Holocaust documentary? Yeah. Because he had the food and the concentration. Right.

I have not watched the CNN documentary yet. Me neither. But I will say, you know what, I'll join you in saying that all the advertisements have annoyed me quite a bit. They're pretty obnoxious. It's kind of like back when the CNN had that the 60s series they were pushing. They were like the 60s and they kept just time. And it was just like, I think it's just like in the way back then you would just mark it

to an entire generation, like we're just going to pander to baby boomers. Now they know what the current economy is and they're like, okay, we have to micro-target our pandering. So we're going to pander to comedy nerds. And people who know who Del Close is, who honestly is probably like a small fraction of our listenership. Yeah. It's probably not huge.

They're like Googling who Del Close was as we're talking if they haven't turned this off already. And it's always like the business of being funny and noisy for sure. But yeah, we know, I mean, Heather, both of you have worked with Heather. She was on a team with Del and I'm sure that she would be fine with this entire conversation. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, she is. Well, we'll have her back.

Right. Or maybe not. But here's what I was saying earlier is that before we went on this tangent, the reason you go through something like upright citizenship, beyond like the skills that you acquire more so, it's like the, it's for to have an institution sort of say like, this guy is our guy. You know what I mean? Like it's kind of like so you have a home base that you could play in the same way that a standup might be like, oh yeah, I came up at the store or whatever.

It's to have some sort of affiliation with an established institution. And that in a way, that's what you're going for with a college degree. You want, you want to be certified by an established institution. So other people kind of have a shorthand for knowing that you're someone who at least has a sense of what's going on in your field. For sure. And I think as someone who's been through that, I feel like some of those feelings are false.

Like, like, like, like, like, like, like just that's my experience and not to say that I'm not proud of graduating for mythical. And honestly, probably UCB is a place that I am the that felt the most alma matery to me of anywhere that I went. Yeah. I might as well. Yeah. I feel actually feel probably more connection to it as a as an alma mater of sorts.

Yeah. Then, then, then anywhere that I still, you know, it is still that sort of thing where I it's like when I hear people talk about the store or something or even, you know, people within the comedy community talk about it with such reverence. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. You know, like, it doesn't it doesn't affect me in the same way. And that's not me being a jerk or anything. It's just a difference of opinions.

Right. Yeah. No, no. I think I understand the pride in it. I think I resent the laziness in life of saying, well, this guy's got this guy's Harvard guy. That means a guy's smart. Yeah.

This guy's well, that guy's a UCB guy. That means that guy's funny. Yeah. And those things mean anything. They don't mean they really don't. So you it's I think it's a shortcut to trying to figure out these little these little certifications and gold stars or shortcuts to trying to figure out who who's good and who's legitimate and who's not.

But there's nothing for you. We're all illegitimate. Yeah, true. You can be a huge dipshit with a rich dad and make your way through an Ivy League school in the same way that you can be kind of someone who's not necessarily has an interesting perspective on comedy, but just kind of can get do the mechanics of comedy in the correct way and work your way up through one of those schools. I'll say the one thing that, you know, the medical profession is the one place that differs.

If I disagree, I think that, you know, if you just got the if you got the talent, just give it. I'll hand you the scalpel. Yeah. You cut me open. And if you got it, you got it. So if someone has someone has a medical degree from UCB theater, you're you're as good as as someone having gone having gone to, I don't know, John Hopkins.

Is that a John Hopkins is a good school for medical professionals, right? It's Johns Hopkins, which they should get rid of Hopkins. That's right. They should just make it. Was there was there two John Hopkins? They must have been. Is it apostrophe? John apostrophe?

No, it's Johns plural Hopkins. Oh, there's it might have been some guys last name Johns hyphen Hopkins or something or there's one guy named John Hopkins. I think so. I think it sort of was to it. There's two Johns Hopkins. Tell me one thing you fucking learned from all that reading, Johns Hopkins, you put that you put a fucking s on the end of John.

There you go. Yeah, Johns Hopkins going in the shit pit, which we've kind of established here on the show. Right. Yeah. Johns Hopkins is in the shit pit for having a an extra superfluous s. Yeah. Well, if my name was Mike Smichel, Michael Smichel, yeah, I tell you get out of here and

you'd host alone. Yeah. All right. Anyways, back to you being a New York guy, you're a New York guy. Classic New York guy. I think I think I talked about this last time you were on you like the films of Scorsese and I like the films of Scorsese too. And I think he's my favorite director, but you know, probably infinitely more than I

do about the director. And I guess that's why I always thought of you as a New York guy, but you're very much a West Coast, a West Coast boy. I'm a West Coast guy, but I would say my so much of the you're right that the my film heritage or my my respect for film heritage extends very much into New York. And so I've so a lot of a lot of films from New York are important to me. You definitely have a New York vibe. You're wearing like four layers right now, which is like not very much like a SoCal look.

Well, all right. No, I'm not judging you. I'm saying but you kind of have like that kind of you kind of carry yourself like an East Coast guy. Okay. You know what, Nick, that was Nick. That was rude. What was rude about it?

I think you're being rude to our guests. No, no, no, I have layers. Oh, I guess you're counting pants. Oh, no, I do have layers. I thought you were counting the upper and the lower, but combined, yes, I have a lot of layers. I have probably seven. You have a jacket over a sweater with the collared shirt.

I knew you love a sweater as well. You kind of you kind of hand to yourself like an East Coast guy too. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I have my heart in my heart. I'm a surfer, dude, but I kind of do what? What heart is that? What are you talking about?

Well, I know I'm from the beaches of Long Beach, so I'm used to the sand between my toes and have you ever served in your life? No, I would never do that. I would get I would get very badly hurt. Why knows? Honestly, my my fear is sharks more than anything. Yeah, I think that's probably pretty rare occurrence. My thing is just I don't I have very bad balance.

Like I can't I even standing on one foot is really hard for me. I might have an ear infection. You think I have an ear infection? Yeah, that can happen. Yeah. They can throw you off equilibrium. Was that what I was not trying to insult you. I felt like you had a no, no, no, no, absolutely not by by the way on and on balance.

Interesting fact, my uncle was in was in Vietnam and was in a tank that was hit and his eardrum was blown out and for the rest of his for the rest of his life had fucked up equilibrium would send him into the same kind of like nausea and all the qualities that you would have like if you're like vertigo and those kinds of qualities. Jesus. And so that's an interest. People may not know that that you can actually fuck up your ears and then like the in all the inner ear issues can affect you.

What a nightmare. I've actually, on the subject of vertigo, I've never seen vertigo, the movie, the film. Oh my God. Oh, you got us. You got us. Vertigo. That's great. Oh, you'll like it.

Yeah. I just found out the other day that the at the Museum of the Moving Image in New York City right now, there is an exhibit about on Scorsese that features the, you know, the flowers like there's a bouquet of flowers in vertigo. You can go to the Museum of the Moving Image and see that right now. Wow. I really want to go see this exhibit. That's really cool.

Yeah, I do. I do. I really want to go see the Scorsese exhibit because I don't know about many things in my life at all, really, but I would venture to say I do know about Mark Scorsese. You know a lot about Scorsese, one of the greats, and I hope he makes a few more films. That's all I hope. I hope we get a few more out of it. I hope so.

I really like Silence. I know not everybody liked it, but I think I'd say that it was probably the best film I saw last year. Was it not nominated for anything, Silence? Did it get any? I think it might have gotten like a cinematography nomination, but otherwise completely shut out. Wow.

That feels like one that I haven't seen, Silence, but based on the reception, I kind of feel like this is maybe one that in five, ten years people are going to be looking back and be like, you know what, Silence was really, that was really a picture people overlook. It's really, I told you when I saw it, there was like, when I was watching the movie, I can't believe people are so hard on this movie. This is like my favorite movie of the year. I love this movie, and then it is still one of my favorite movies of the year, and I think that it feels so much more like a movie than these other movies that are nominated.

It feels like a film, but that's weird, I'm sorry, but there's this moment and there's a stretch of the movie that is, there's a long stretch in the movie that gets on, that is very long. It can test some, probably the average film goer to kind of zone out, and if you have a short attention span, you're not going to, you might not like that hour. Yeah, there is a middle, I saw the movie twice, and both times in the middle, I would say about two hours into the movie, people started getting up and walking out, which is not uncommon for, it's actually not uncommon for, I remember seeing bringing out the dead when I was a

teenager and people walking out during that, like I think something about Scorsese movies kind of drive half the audience out of the movie, but I would say that if you watch Silent, stay around for that third hour, because it is, I tell you, that movie just gets your heart racing at the end. I feel like it's, I feel like the drama and the, I mean, it's steeped in Catholic imagery as well, which I'm a sucker for, so, but, and honestly, I saw the movie twice, the second time I saw the movie, I saw it late at night and woke up the next morning, and there was a Muslim ban literally going into effect in the nation, and I was like, what is a more

important movie right now than a movie about a religious persecution? To me, it was completely overlooked as a relevant movie. Yeah, yeah, it felt like this is deep history or something when it was, it very much was it was maybe the most relevant movie of the year. I mean, honestly, I can't think of a more interesting movie. You made that point, and I 100% agree with you. And also, I feel like all three of us can relate to the character Kiki Jiro. I think I was pronouncing that incorrectly. How is it? Is it Kiki Jiro?

Yeah, Kiki Jiro. Kiki Jiro. Yeah, I don't know. You'll see the movie, you'll understand that we're Muslim. Yes, we're Kiki Jiro. Yes. I am Kiki Jiro. We are all Kiki Jiro. We are all Kiki Jiro.

Yes. We are a sexless man who cares too much about movies. Exactly. All right. I mean, yeah, I'm sure that is a part of his character. Yes. He's, you know, cowardly in a lot of ways. He's a weak man who fails, who just fails, his whole function is failing.

Over and over and over again. Oh, man, that is me to a T. Yes, yes. And we are, I have never related to a character more than in his week, truly. We should talk about our, the reason we're here a little bit, Chick-fil-A versus Wendy's. Wow. Perez, when we invited you to be on this podcast and you were very, very generous with your time to go to both of these places and come all the way out here to record.

But when I was texting you about it, you told me that you were fan of both of these places. Yes. What is your, what was your assessment going in when you, when you, looking at this match up on paper before you're actually going to eat at these locations? In terms of which one was going to be better or what, I guess that's the main thing. Yeah. I mean, like what were your biases going in? Did you have a favorite?

I thought about how my guess was that it was going to be a toss up, that it was going to be a difficult decision. And sure enough, it was a difficult decision. It is a difficult decision. I don't even know if I've made my decision yet. Wow. And the discussion will truly reveal it. Wow.

That makes me nervous. But the, the chick, but also Chick-fil-A and I believe, even though people, some people believe it to be a free of controversy, to me still carries this connotation. If you're really talking about biases, I still feel a weirdness about Chick-fil-A, which I, which I could not completely divorce myself from in the evaluation of the eating of the food or the evaluating of the food. That was still psychologically just made such an imprint on you. Yes.

And also by the, because I want it to be a well-informed guest, I'm looking, I'm looking up like, is this still an issue with Chick-fil-A? Do they discriminate? Is, is a discrimination against a gay and lesbian, same sex marriage, an issue? And or is it just a moot point or what? And sure enough, it's like, think progress has proof of a Chick-fil-A donation to an anti-gay organization in 2014 and are they still sort of supporting these kinds of organizations? Maybe so or not.

It's a very, like many things today, it is a nebulous thing, much like silence itself. Actually, I'm the perfect fucking guest for this because I live in the gray. I revel in the, in the gray, in the moral grayness of life and I feel there's a little bit of gray here, which is nice, I like it. To add to that, we had a similar thing and we discussed this a couple episodes ago, Mitch, in terms of Wendy's and Wendy's had some homophobic issues in its corporate past and it's tough to decide, it's tough to figure out, it's tough to find information informing whether or not that came from Dave Thomas, whether that was just craven opportunism of like,

oh, we don't want to be involved in anything, we want to completely separate ourselves from that right now because we are afraid it's going to hurt our bottom line, which is also contemptible and that's also just a failing of capitalism in general when corporations do that. But the, like it was hard to figure out, is Dave Thomas the man culpable or is Wendy's the chain culpable? Wendy's certainly contemporary is no comparison for where Chick-fil-A was a few years ago. I mean, we're talking about Wendy's in the 90s, but it's a similar sort of situation.

It's hard to get a clear answer on what the actual corporate behavior was. You know, it's, I'll just say this, because I mean, like, I am not one of, I'm not a member of a group that was prejudiced against with either of these restaurants, so for, I can't really take a stance on this, but I mean, I can condemn a place and not, and feel uncomfortable with it for sure, which I did with Chick-fil-A and I don't really know what to do in a situation like this, but in other terms, and it doesn't have to go specifically with Chick-fil-A, but there is a side of me of, are we a country or as we are, as a people, do we forgive, do we let people find redemption, do we let them be better?

For instance, I think Mel Gibson is actually a better example of this. Like, do we have to hate Mel Gibson forever, or is he forever tarnished by what he said in his actions? It's a tricky thing for me and a part of me as a member of this great country, I'm inclusive to all, no matter what your race, color, creed, anything like that, your sexual preference, I don't care, you're a better person than I am anyways, regardless, but my feeling is that as a country, I think, you know, we have to forgive people, we have to accept people, we have to accept people first, that's the number one thing, and then we have to forgive

some people too, and that's kind of where I stand, are you looking at me like I'm saying something crazy? This feels like more silence, very much in silence territory, we're talking about forgiveness and redemption. I think that, I have a theory, I have something to say about what you just said, which is that I think that I agree with forgiveness, I agree that forgiving people, we are quick to simplify, oversimplify ourselves both for good or bad, we say, are you woke, because I'm woke, and fuck you if you're not woke, because that's what it means now to be woke,

and did you delete Uber from your phone, because if you did that, that's a good thing, and if you still have it, that's a bad thing, and if you eat Chick-fil-A, that's good, and if you don't, but in reality, all of these issues are very gray and very difficult, people just aren't like that, they're not good or bad, and the corporation, your dollar is not necessarily contributing to someone's suffering, and if it is, you might not even know the ways in which it is. I think that the only definition I can really have, and in terms of how it's going to affect the judging of these sandwiches, is that I don't know the effect beyond, does it affect

my enjoyment of the thing? And the perfect example I'll give you that's different from Mel Gibson is Woody Allen years ago, when I was a young man discovering Woody Allen, I loved the Woody Allen films, and just then the story of Woody Allen perhaps molesting his daughter broke in this insane custody fight with Mia Farrow, and then I went years watching Woody Allen movies, sort of not even thinking about that, and then in 2013, I think it was, Blue Jasmine came out, and I thought it was one of the best Woody Allen movies I've ever seen, and then later that year, his daughter wrote a piece about how my father molested me, he straight

up molested me, and this is a grown woman saying this happened. And so in the years since, I haven't watched a Woody Allen movie, not because I have a moral qualm about putting down my $12 to pay for a Woody Allen movie, but more, I don't think I would enjoy it. Right. Interesting. Similarly, like maybe my enjoyment of Chick-fil-A is tainted a little bit, like it's part and part, your moral response that you feel in the pity of your stomach is as important

as your gut, as important as your hunger response. And just to clarify, you have watched the Woody Allen series on Amazon multiple times. Oh yeah, it wasn't including the series, the series. The series. Crisis in 16s. I agree, and I don't know if my spiel necessarily can, you can put that on to Chick-fil-A because I do think it's different. I'm just saying in the, you get what I mean, but within this world, and I guess my basic

question is, do we forgive Mel Gibson, the three of us? Collectively, we're the ones who's going to decide it. I haven't seen Hacksaw Ridge yet, not that that would factor in whether or not he's going to move. I saw Hacksaw Ridge, and I did like Hacksaw Ridge. I like Hacksaw Ridge, too. But it's almost easier with Chick-fil-A because it is a place that I do not go. So I don't go regularly.

I don't go to the restaurant regularly. And actually, in fact, the two times, I've had Chick-fil-A maybe six, seven times in my life, and I think that like three or so of those times were for this podcast. But let me put it to you this way, to personalize it, Taco Bell is your favorite restaurant. We now know that Taco Bell has a political action committee, Taco Pack, that contributes extensively to conservative causes. Does that lessen your enjoyment of Taco Bell at all? I kind of agree with Perez.

It's a gray, it's old gray. It's hard to figure it out. I guess my spiel is basically more on individuals than it is corporations because then it just is, you know, like you can take a stance against one thing and then you may not know that you're contributing to something else. Well, yeah. Like your socks or whatever. Because that's the whole thing with the way our economy is structured is that there are

so many layers in the supply line. Like they're just so many, the supply chain goes down so many different ways where any individual article of clothing that we're wearing right now that you could be what you were driving at a second ago, you know, could have the same sorts of issues as, it probably does have the same sorts of labor issues and, you know, issues with political environment. Yeah, my outer layer might be fine, but my inner layer might have been knitted by a damn Indian slave. Exactly.

That's very true. And the layer under that might be a Chinese slave. In your East Coast getup that Nick so rudely pointed out. You look great. You look very sharp. All right. I mean, it's all slave labor, so it takes a lot of old kids to get this look going. Here's what I'm saying.

There are times I feel like the delete Uber thing, even though it's like the easiest form of protest, even its founder even said this is the easiest form of protest. But I think part of the reason things like that are useful is because they are so visible. And so it's like, yes, they're probably corporations, maybe, maybe, you know, I'm sure like Conagra Foods, which is an invisible agribusiness conglomerate that is, you know, behind a bunch of factory farms and industrial farm production, I'm sure does some really nefarious things. Monsanto obviously does some very nefarious things, but these companies are invisible and they're difficult to protest because they permeate our entire food chain.

Because something like Uber, you can micro-target and you can do an actionable thing like, hey, they're going to see 5% of Uber accounts are deleted over the course of a weekend. That can actually cause some positive change from that individual actor in the economy and then can also too make the other, because part of the thing is like so many of these companies are just craven and scared and they're so afraid of negative publicity. So that individual micro-targeting can be effective in persuading a larger swath of companies to correct their behavior. Yeah, not only to mention the psychological and spiritual uplift that you can get in voting

with your dollar essentially. Like I really do think that in a world where we all feel helpless to a certain degree with how much we can contribute, we only have one vote at the polls and then the next best thing is to call your congressmen, I guess. But you actually do have a vote with your dollar. Your vote, you want to see good movies, don't go to the fucking shitty ones, you know, like you don't want people to boss around gays or whatever, well, don't eat at the gay bad place.

I mean, your vote with your dollar might actually be more important than your vote vote. Yes. I like the idea that there was an establishment where the problem is they were bossing gays around. Hey, your gay guy's over there. Just cut it out. Yeah, well, I bet you if you asked the gay guy, he'd be like, they boss me around. It was a bad place.

I got what you were trying to say. And I especially agree. The thing about movies, that's the most frustrating thing because you see all these, a lot of bad movies make a lot of money and some movies, you know, movies that I like or I think are great movies not make any money and it's right. And it's and it's that's very frustrating thing. Yeah. And we still do it.

We still go to shit. Oh, I still see all the shit. Like I, everyone I talked to saw Suicide Squad almost as a perfunctory, almost just out of obligation. Yeah. Like, like I need to see Suicide Squad. Why? I saw it.

I felt like I had to see it. I was like, yeah, I'll go. I didn't fucking give that movie any money. Yeah. Good. I think you're right. I think I should stop going to these a lot of Marvel movies that I just don't like. Right.

They're boring. They bore me. I shouldn't go to Marvel movies anymore. But I probably will see all of them. Yeah. Do you know, but you know what deserves its good reputation? That Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich, the most, the highest selling fast food item of all time.

I don't trust your records on that. It is truly, I mean, well, are we talking about it? Yeah. Let's talk about it. Yes. One of the great items in fast food. It is. I genuinely believe that it might be my favorite.

I've said it on here. I think it is my favorite item in fast food. It is definitely, there's a trio of great fast food items and it's part of the trio at least. What else is in your trio? I kind of want to, I mean like, sure, I'm going to just say, fine, you know, I'll just say it. I'm going to hold back the Triforce.

The Triforce for me, the Holy Triforce, spicy chicken sandwich. That's your Triforce of wisdom. The Big Mac. That's your Triforce of power. And what do you think the last thing is? Actually, I almost have like, I have, the last Triforce spot is two things together. Is that okay? Yes.

Well, no, but yes. But it's fine. You know what, the Triforce that Link retrieves is eight pieces. It's more like a quad force right now. Yeah. No, the last spot is like a bow and arrow, like for Link or something. I don't know. Oh, sure, yeah.

It's, boy, that's a stretch. It's the Cheesy Gordita Crunch slash, you know what? It's the Big Mac slash McDonald's fries because McDonald's fries are some of the best things on earth. And the last spot is the Cheesy Gordita Crunch. Okay. And right up there. You know, I've never had a Cheesy Gordita Crunch.

Oh, they're fantastic. I might have to go immediately. I, Nick, you can back this up, right? The Cheesy Gordita Crunch. It's really good. I, it's, no, it's very tasty. I wouldn't be in my, it wouldn't be my Triforce of wisdom, power, or courage, but I definitely think it's one of Taco Bell's better menu items.

It's really good. Yeah. It's good. It might be one of my pendants of wisdom. Is that what they were from, from Link to the Past? Well, Link to the Past, the new Zelda game is coming out soon. Yeah. I think they were made at least.

Right. Because we're advertising, advertising for, what is it, what is it, what is the new one called? The Nintendo Switch. Breath of the Wild. Breath of the Wild, yeah. That's what our tournament has brought you by. Wendy's fries are up there, too.

I like Wendy's fries. Wendy's fries are really good. Spicy chicken sandwiches, that's something you get frequently when you go to Wendy's, right? Yeah, for sure. There was a time where my order at Wendy's, and not an infrequent order either. Like maybe once a month was a, I guess a double cheeseburger and a, and a spicy chicken sandwich, like two sandwiches basically.

Oh yeah, that's a good order. That's a good order. That's a way to do it. Yeah. It's my spicy chicken sandwich. I love Wendy's. Wendy's five forks, how many forks would you give that, Prez? Five forks for sure.

Did Paul, I think was Paul Russ, was he? Paul Russ was on the Wendy's episode. Did he give it five? He gave it five forks. He gave it five forks. Yeah, it's in the platinum plate class. Oh wait, so it was a, okay, that platinum is all five. Yeah.

Okay. I love Wendy's. I think the spicy chicken sandwich is my favorite individual item from Wendy's. But it's not the thing I get the most frequently, because I will usually get a burger when I'm going to Wendy's. They have great burgers. They do have great burgers. They have really, really great burgers.

Yeah. But it's so, the spicy chicken sandwich is so fucking good. How did Wendy's do last year in the, in the, in the Tournament of Chompians? Were they in the Tournament of Chompians? I think they had to have been, right? I don't remember at this point. Oh yes. What was it?

Like a, do we do a Baconator or something? Maybe it wasn't. That's fucked up. That's on, that's on you. No, they must have been in. It's on you if it wasn't in there. Have we not reviewed Wendy's at this point? Maybe that's what it was.

That's fucked up. You know what? I'm not going to look this up right now, but if you're listening to this out there. If you're on Reddit. If you're on Reddit. Log in. And let us know with a hash, with a hashtag Wendy's was in or hashtag Wendy's was out. Hashtag Wendy's was in.

Hashtag Wendy's was out. Kick on over to Reddit for all the hottest scoops. So the spicy chicken sandwich, it's pretty simple. Just sort of a fiery sort of sauce. It's got that chicken, breaded chicken breast, lettuce, tomato, and mayo, and on that bun. And that's pretty much it. Gosh. Pretty much all there is to it.

But it's great in its simplicity. It's the main spot in my Triforce. I love it so much. That's sort of like the father. The father. It is the father. And the father, son, and the Holy Spirit. It gets.

So actually. That's the Catholicism. You rank the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Of course. Father is number one. Son is number two, Holy Spirit, three and four. So it made sense that I had four spots. Holy Spirit is sort of my favorite, though.

Holy Spirit. Yeah, I guess Holy Spirit is pretty good. It's the most mysterious one. Yeah. No one knows. Little Holy Spirit. Little ghost. The scariest one, too, might I add.

Could you bust the Holy Spirit? No, that's blasphemy. There's a deleted scene from the 2016 Ghostbusters, where they bust the Holy Spirit. Oh, man. No wonder there was so much controversy. They go to church. They bust the Holy Spirit, and they put it in the, what do they do with Ghostbusters? They put in that big tub or whatever world the ghosts are.

Right. Are you not a Ghostbusters fan? You said you were an Interturtles fan on the last episode. I like the Ghostbusters, all right. Ghostbusters, too, is my favorite. Ooh, it seems like you don't like them. I loved the Ghostbusters as a boy. Yeah.

No, I was not as much of a Ghostbusters fan. Were you a G.I. Joe guy or something? What was your deal? He-Man. Big He-Man guy. All right. I loved He-Man. That's very funny.

Why, He-Man was cool. Sure. Is it because he was a big muscle man wearing underwear? Is that what you're driving at? Did you used to, like, say you were He-Man and flex and so on? No, I was realistic about my body image. I knew I wasn't, I couldn't hold a candle to Prince Adam in the form of He-Man. I knew it was more of a cringer.

But I, or an orco, but I admired He-Man, I thought it was cool that he swung a sword around. It's interesting that when you talk about, because I liked He-Man, too, as a kid, and unlike Star Wars and G.I. Joe and some of these, even Transformers, I cannot, like you're saying He-Man characters right now, I do not recognize a single one of these. The characters are not indelible, or the world, I guess, is not very indelible in my memory. I can't remember the plot of a single He-Man episode. Yeah, He-Man, yeah.

I can remember characters. I can remember characters because they were relation to toys, because the cartoon was just a means of the end of, to sell the toys. Grayscale, right? Castle Grayscale, yeah. And then there's the cat that turns mean. Yeah. Cringer turns into battle cat.

Oh, Cringer, yes. You are more like a cringer, that's true. Yeah. And then there's the Moss Man. I remember, I always remember the toy was, that Moss Man toy was like a significant toy in the light. Yeah. The toy that had Moss, the Moss all over it.

Right, they had some, they did, they took some, they also had Stinkor, who just smelled bad. Yeah, he smelled a little like a skunk. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's talk about Stinkor. Stinkor. There's no doubt that He-Man is coming back.

I thought it was like a steampunk, like you're really in a steampunk and you're steampunk. There's no doubt that that's coming, right, that He-Man is coming back in some way. I can't believe they haven't already rebooted. Yeah, it's very stressful. Yeah, it's very stressful. He-Man. Fucking bring him back. We watched that on a rain day at my elementary school.

We were in a, it was a rain day, we were in the cafeteria, I think, because the classroom was flooded or something like that, and they put a Masters of the Universe on like a 20-inch. That really boils down to how that is just like a TV, a containment unit for children. Right, yeah, absolutely. I don't want to look it up, but I feel like they're, like the villain and Masters of the Universe is like a great actor. It's Frank Langella. Frank, okay, all right, yeah, that's pretty good actor.

Yeah. That's a good career. Chick-fil-A, the chicken sandwich. Mm-hmm. Very basic. I got the basic. Even more basic. Yeah.

We didn't, like spicy chicken sandwich, I think we all kind of agree going in, that's the one to put money on for Wendy's. The Chick-fil-A one, maybe we should have been stricter in terms of what you get, but I just sort of was like, I feel like any of their chicken sandwich is a representative of what Chick-fil-A does. I got the chicken sandwich, the very standard basic one, which is just there, a buttered bun with that filet of chicken, a breaded chicken filet, and then pickles, and it's that simple.

Yes. I had had the spicy chicken before, the deluxe that has the cheese on it and the lettuce and tomato, I believe. I don't like that as much, so I was trying, you know that I have a favorite going into this, so I was trying to help Chick-fil-A out a little bit. I went with the original Chick-fil-A sandwich, and I got a side of Chick-fil-A sauce. Side stay on the sidelines. I think adding sauce is okay, but ...

Yes, I didn't get any sides. I got the Chick-fil-A sauce. You said side and I threw a flag on the plate. Sauce. Sauce. You got some sauce. That's fine. The Chick-fil-A sauce.

Okay. And so, how do you feel about it, Ryan? Let's hear your thoughts. Yeah, what was your Chick-fil-A order? I ordered the spicy deluxe. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so that one.

And in the few times I've gone to Chick-fil-A in the last ... I also ... I didn't have it growing up, by the way, but actually, Nick, probably you didn't have it either. It wasn't out here in Southern California. Yeah, so the first Chick-fil-A I ever had was when they opened it up here in 2011, I believe. The first one I had was the Atlanta Airport, which doesn't really count as an airport version, but I had it when they opened out here is when I had it at the proper location, the Hollywood one that was the first one.

Now, there's one on the west side as well, just south of UCLA, actually, but there was a Chick-fil-A for a time in the Cerritos Mall. Do you remember the Cerritos Mall in Cerritos, California? Oh, sure. Near the Cerritos Auto Square? Yeah, right by the Cerritos Auto Square. That's a famous little jingle, the Cerritos Auto Square, which is still on to this day. To this day, sure.

Yeah, so I'm not that many years into Chick-fil-A. I mean, in the sense that maybe I'm only six years of my life and frequently been eating Chick-fil-A, but I do like that spicy deluxe, and that's what I get. So that's got a slice of cheese on it, like a pepper jack, right? Yeah. And then lettuce and tomato. Yes. So that's probably the closest analog on Chick-fil-A's menu to the...

Yes. Though I think they are very different, but just, I mean, just they are just how Chick-fil-A is different from Wendy's just in general. It's a much thicker, more substantial chicken patty for sure. Much thicker, and both this challenge came very shortly for me after, this might be a diversion, but after, for the very first time, going to Howlin' Reyes. Yes. Oh, a hot chicken place out here.

Yes, and I would characterize Chick-fil-A's chicken as being thicker, more in the style of Howlin' Reyes. Howlin' Reyes. That's fair. And by the way, Howlin' Reyes, if you just really want the best chicken sandwich in Los Angeles, I would say is by far, it's very rarely like, do I go to a place and days later or think, damn, I got to go back to that place, but Howlin' Reyes really did it to me. I tweeted out from Doughboy's account that Howlin' Reyes is the best chicken sandwich

maybe I've ever had. Yes. It is, it's really, really good. I still haven't had it. Nellie, my wife has had it, loves it. She's had that, what's that, that spiciest one, Howlin'. Well, Howlin', yeah. She's had the Howlin'.

I also ate the Howlin'. She's a heat seeker, and she can handle it. She loves that Howlin'. And you like things caliente, right, Brad? Oh my God, I am the biggest heat seeker. I'm a fuckin' bug. I'm like a bug chaser, but with heat. And I went with my buddy Danny Jelenick to the Howlin' Reyes, and he said, be careful,

because we had work to do later that day. He was like, don't get the, don't get it too spicy, because it'll fuck you up. And so I got the extra hot, which is the next one down from Howlin'. And I really enjoyed it. It was very hot, but next time, baby, I'm getting the Howlin'. I got the Howlin', and I split it with myself, Jack, and Maddie, all friends of the podcast. And it is so fucking hot, and I maybe ate the most of it, because I love, I also love heat.

It now destroys me, though. I can't do it as much anymore. And the Howlin', I was fucked up for like two days. It's insanely, insanely spicy. Yeah. Like next time I go, I'm gonna get like the medium, or maybe lower. I'm getting that Howlin'. I cannot, I'm so excited, I'm more excited about this than, this is the only thing I

have going on in my life, is that I get to go eat the Howlin', I get to go wait for an hour downtown, and eat the Howlin'. Are, are, are, what was I gonna ask you? Are you gonna do a sandwich, or are you gonna do it on the bread, or whatever? I'll do a sandwich. A sandwich, yeah. Okay. It's, it's, it's, they give you, sometimes they give you gloves to eat it, so spicy.

It's insanely spicy, and it's also like the weirds, like, it's not like a sauce, it's, it's very much a rub, that, that it's, it's not like a, you think of spicy chicken or whatever, you think of like, a very thick sauce on there, and there's no sauce at all. It's, it's, it's, it's basically like this powder. Yeah, oh sure. Yeah. This is that Nashville hot chicken style. Yeah.

Nashville, Nashville hot chicken style, and that, that, oh sorry, go ahead. Oh no, I'm, go ahead. I was just gonna say that Wendy's has just, there, it's, Wendy's got a little red pat, their patty's a little red, and it's basically baked in, that sauce is kind of baked into it or whatever. Right. Yeah, into the skin. But go ahead, Ryan, I'm sorry.

Oh no, I was just gonna ask you, your, your wife Natalie is a, is a, she likes the hot stuff. Oh, she's a big time eater. I should talk, and see, I should talk to her about some recommendations, because nobody knows where the hot stuff is. You guys should get together, I see. Yeah, we can set that up. You're willingly doing this too?

He's a better man than you. Hey man, we can swing in terms of. I've met Natalie before, she's a lovely woman, and, and just her and I'll go to some hot places is what I'm saying. Another man can take my wife to a restaurant, and enjoy a meal, and I'm cool with that. No, she, no, I know your wife will give out a recommendation every now and then, you're very knowledgeable about LA restaurants, and so, so she probably, you probably have the list too, I can, I can.

Jit Lada? I can get the list from her. Does Natalie love Jit Lada? She's done the spicy challenge from Jit Lada, a great, great Thai restaurant here in LA. I love Jit Lada. She's, I've gotten something so spicy from Jit Lada that she ordered, and it was so spicy that I couldn't, I just, I was done for the day. It just ruined my day.

It was, it was this spicy beef that comes with like ice and frozen vegetables that you can put in your mouth to try. They do that in, in that movie City of Gold, they, I think that's what he orders. Yeah. Jonathan Gold orders. It's insane, it was so fucking hot, and I was like, I hate this, and she loved it. Too much for me. But let's get, let's get back on track.

Chick-fil-A versus Wendy's. Here's my take. The Chick-fil-A points in terms of juiciness. It does have that little like, like you bite into it and it's juicy throughout. Fair. And I feel like for something that thick, you'd expect it to maybe be dried out, but it retains its moisture, especially for something that's, that's mostly white meat or maybe all white meat.

That's fair. I assume all white meat. And the crispy, like I do like how coated it is. It's just like, it's got that thick, like buttermilk sort of coat to it. I'm not sure if it even is buttermilk. That's kind of how it feels. Like it's just got like that super thick coating to it with that breading. And then I like the unobtrusive butter to the, the bun.

Like it's like, it doesn't necessarily need a sauce even. It's just like a very subtle, very simple sandwich. It's just bread, breaded chicken and pickles and like a little bit of butter. And that simplicity I think really comes across. I think I've had the different, I've had every Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich. I've had the, the, the chicken sandwich, the spicy chicken, the, and the deluxe of both of those and the grilled, fuck it, who cares. But I've had all the, the, the crispy versions and I think the chicken sandwich is the best.

I think just by keeping it simple and pure, I think that's the best version you can have. I think I might agree with you on that. The Wendy's spicy chicken though, I wish it was hotter. I wish they had like an extra spicy one. I wish they had like just a little bit more heat. It's, it's, you know, you taste that spiciness, but it just doesn't quite cut through with the mayo and all the, the lettuce and tomatoes. I wish they had a slightly spicier version, but it is great.

It is so delicious. And I also wanted to say that- Every bite is, is satisfying. It's also juicy enough, I'd say. Yes. It's, it's sure it is. It's not as juicy as Chick-fil-A, but it's juicy enough. It's not like, it's not like it's a little skimpy patty or something like that.

It's substantial. It has its moisture to it. The mayo I really like, I will say, like Perez, my feeling from this is that this is closer than I expected it to be. Okay. Let me just also say, I don't know if I love the juice factor in a chicken. Oh, you don't like juicy chicken? I don't, I don't think I need a fucking juicy-

Juice running from chicken, baby. You want a little moisture in there? I don't know how much moisture I need in the fucking chicken. My moisture level is not completely dried out, it's not dry, but I don't need it to be, I don't need this to be a big fucking bag of chicken juice. Well, it wasn't like wet newspaper I'm describing, it's just that it has a little bit of moisture. I've had dry chicken in there. Oh, no thank you.

No, no, no, no thank you to that, but, but I don't, I don't need it to be extra juicy. I did something in my evaluation of these sandwiches back to back. On Sunday night, I was having a hard time going to sleep, and as I am want to do when I can't sleep, I put on an old movie, I put on young Mr. Lincoln, old John Ford movie about young litigator Abraham Lincoln in Springfield, Illinois, and there's a part early in the movie where he judges a pie eating contest, and in one hand he has apple, and in one hand a peach pie, and he's eating from one hand. Wait, he has, in one hand he has a peach pie, and in the other hand he has an apple.

Apple pie, apple pie. Oh, Jesus. And he's eating one, and then he goes, oh, that's pretty good, and then eats the other one, and goes, I have to taste that apple again, and eats them, eats them at the same time. And I, like a lightning bolt, I knew I was coming on Doe Boys, I said, tomorrow I'm going to go get, I'm going to go get them back to back. Oh, wow. And so I literally ate the two sandwiches in one, in one hand, in one, and the, I have

a picture. Wow. Of me doing it. Well, now my question is, how that picture was taken, you got two hands full. It's a timer, baby. Oh, there you go. I wanted, I wanted proof of it. And truly, so I, these, these tastes, I know there's a lot of theories about, like in taste

testing, like palate cleansing, and put a day in between, and light a candle, and call a priest, and do, you know, like make and separate them, or whatever, but I wanted them on top of each other. I wanted that gray. It was all about the gray. And I will say that everything you're saying is I'm in 100% agreement that the, it's juicier, but that Wendy's is just something I'm at it. There's something about that Wendy's sandwich that's magical.

That mayo in there, the lettuce tomato. There's so much mayo. There's so much mayo. There's so much mayo. You've never, you've never, here's a thing that's never been uttered. There's not enough mayo in my Wendy's sandwich. Oh yeah, it's great. It's well-distributed, fantastic.

It works really well as like the idea of mayo can be gross to a lot of people, but I love how much fucking mayo is just slathered onto that sandwich. And it's great with a spicy. It's perfect. It's great. And like you said, it is simple, but the way it comes together is complex, Nick. No, no, I like that we're judging two relatively simple sandwiches against each other. I think this is a very, very good round.

There are no losers here. Pres, before we get to our verdicts, who won that pie eating contest? They don't say. Oh my God. They keep you in suspense. It's crazy. They don't say. It's part of this montage where he's in a fair, like there's a fair, they're in Springfield

and they have him like doing tug-a-war and they have him judging a pie eating contest. It's sort of to show you like he has a rail splitting competition that he wins handily. So you're seeing like how the young Abe was a statesman. Right. It's a great movie, by the way. Like more than anything else, I recommend Young Mr. Lincoln. It's on Netflix. You can watch it easy.

But classic John Ford, just that he made it the same year as he made Stagecoach. But your question, they didn't say. Man. They didn't say. Does John Wilkes Booth, is that why he shoots him? Because he doesn't give an answer, right answer? He made the peach pie. He has his arms folded and he just wanted closure.

Exactly. There isn't. Well, enough. There's a lot of Stephen Douglas's in the movie, but they hadn't, at that point, Lincoln and Douglas had not really faced off in any kind of way and you're just getting a lot of hints of like, well, I'll keep an eye on you, Mr. Douglas, well, I'll keep an eye on you, Mr. Lincoln. Oh, that's fun.

Yeah. There is that. If John Wilkes Booth had been in that movie, it would not have surprised me at all. It's that fanciful. Some little prequel moments before the concept of prequels. Yeah. Sort of like, you know what's coming. We're going to hint at it.

Yeah. Okay. I'm going to see you. So let's get to our verdict. We should say final words, right? I mean, should we say a final word on, I think we can say a final word. Yeah, we can throw our final words in here. Okay.

But just to orient us on our task at hand, we are deciding which of these two sandwiches we would send down to the devil, to the fiery pits of hell. Uh-huh. Your religious, your religious man and your bones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Both a couple of good Catholic boys here, probably very afraid of the devil, Mitch,

I know you are. The, we'll go down to the devil and convert him back into an angel so he can ascend to the kingdom of heaven. That's right. So which one of these is most likely to turn his black heart into a heart of gold? Oh, shit. We want to turn the devil and then, and we're going to, we're going to, we're going to. Okay.

So the idea is that you're, we're going to send it to the devil. Wait. So the good one goes to the devil? The best, the best sandwich goes down to the devil. Goes down to the devil. Yes. Goes down to redeem Lucifer? Yes.

That's our plan. Well, redeem Lucifer. He's going to eat the sandwich and find his own redemption because of it, because it's so good. There might be something blasphemous about trying to redeem Lucifer, but it's so good that he, it restores his faith in humanity, becomes a good angel with Nick wanted to clarify you that he wears a diaper. This is the most incredible thing I've ever heard.

He doesn't wear it. He doesn't wear a diaper. When he turns into an angel, his tail turns into a diaper. That's right. You threw a full diaper. A full messy diaper. You threw full in there. Okay.

Anyways, we're going to say it at the same time, but do you have any final thoughts on Wendy's and Chick-fil-A? I think I've said just about everything. I mean, I will say that truly the controversy was never far from my mind. And so I do want to reiterate that that is that, that in my vote, sometimes it's just, which is the best actor of the year. And then sometimes it's, well, Casey Affleck might have fucking been a creep or something and you take that into account.

So it's, so I can't quite, I wish that I could be, I leave it out and be impartial, but, but it was definitely played a big, played a part. That's fair. For me, I just want to say that I think the Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich is magical. You know my history with this sandwich. I love the sandwich. It reminds me of good times. I love the spicy chicken sandwich.

There have been a lot of great moments in my life where I've had that as a little celebration treat or with friends and just hanging out. I love the sandwich. I think it's one of the best. It's one of my favorite fast food sandwiches, but I'm going to put all that nostalgia, all the things in my head that I know about this spicy chicken sandwich. I'm going to put it aside. I'm going to put all the controversies with Chick-fil-A aside.

I'm going to try my hardest to just rank them as two sandwiches going up against one another. This is you being as impartial as you possibly can. As I can possibly, as I possibly can, yes. I feel like I've said my piece at this point. Let me count us down. I will count from three to one, and after I say one, we will say our winner that we will send to the devil at the same time. Three.

Two. One. Wendy's. Wow. It is unanimous. Wow. Wow. We're in the hand holding club.

Congratulations to Wendy's. Congratulations. The devil's tail is wagging like a dog. He's so excited. The spirit of Dave Thomas wins on, continues on as Wendy's may is still alive to win the Dave Thomas cup. Wendy's moves on in the wings region in the semifinals. Chick-fil-A, you were relegated to the loser's bracket in Fat Chance Kitchen for our subscribers

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Thank you for having me. I think that was a great just verdict. I do agree. Vote with your dollar at the, actually you know what tonight, I know some people bring a gift. Yeah. I'm not a generous man. That's not true.

That's not true at all. But on behalf of the Doughboys, I've written a check, says, for the Doughboys, I knew that we were going to say the word Chick-fil-A a thousand times. This check is written to the Los Angeles LGBT Center for what I have calculated to be about my amount of Chick-fil-A that I've eaten in the past five or six years, which is $120. Wow. So don't fucking make a big deal out of this, all right? This is just, I'm just doing this to alleviate some guilt.

I'm not good. I'm not a good man. I'm just saying that because both Wendy's and Chick-fil-A have had their controversy, if you ever eat there and maybe you have a qualm, maybe that in the pity of your stomach, it makes you have a moral feeling than, hey, cut a check, baby. There you go. No better way to alleviate your guilt than with a little bit of that dough, throwing it. Ryan, I want you to match that and give Nick and I a check for $120.

No. A great moment there at the end. That is really great. Perhaps straight out of silence itself. Just a little Catholic man ass-waging his guilt. You know what? Donate. I think that's, I think Ryan Perez made a great, that's something great to do.

I think you should donate if, I'm going to do the same. We'll tweet out a link. Yeah. That'll do it for this episode of Dough Boys. Till next time for the Spoonman and Mike Mitchell, I'm Nick Weiger. Happy eating. See ya.