Doughboys - Umami Burger 3 with Judd Apatow

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

Judd Apatow (The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Trainwreck, The King of Staten Island, Love) joins the 'boys to discuss Adam Sandler, live shows and LA Eats before a review of Umami Burger. Plus, another edition of Pie in This Guy.Want more Doughboys? Check out our Patreon!: https://patreon.com/doughboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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classified by Ikeda. The outlet arrived just as the gastropub burger trend was hitting its stride, and it was popular with Angelinos, leading the company to expand throughout the South Land and beyond. Today, the chain has two dozen locations across the country and dotted around the globe. Marketing is the hell of a thing. As Natasha Geeling hints at in Smithsonian Magazine, if Fleischmann's chain had been called MSG burger, it never would have gotten past a business plan. But naming it for the savory flavor that MSG produces, well, you might be a trendsetter in American chain restaurants. This week on Doughboys, we return, once again, to a mommy burger. Welcome to Doughboys, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, along with my

co-host, single and looking to Pringle, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Alright, looking to Pringle. That came via Luke, who writes, love your podcast, the most consistently hilarious podcast in the fucking game. Thanks, roastspoomanateam.com. Very nice and very wrong, Luke, but thank you for writing in. I feel like looking to Pringle, that you can solve that pretty quick. Like, that will be something that, like, uh... Well, but also, you're a lazy man. So, if you didn't have Pringles at the ready. Well, you do have Pringles at the ready. Mitch literally reached out a frame and grabbed a can of Pringles. I'm looking to Pringle. Wow. Okay. Why is that? How's... A warm day today, I picked up Irma earlier. My mom is here still.

Right. I told her to go sit in the car until the podcast is over. Yeah, you didn't have to do that. It's a hot day. Don't have your elderly mom in a hot car. Picked up Irma earlier today, a hot day that just didn't help. She put her paw in my mouth, just to let her leg almost hit the back of a... Hit the dongle on the back of my throat. That far back? Tickled your uvula? Yeah, she tickled my uvula. Thank you. I knew you would know the term for that. You've done it yourself, I'm sure, plenty of times. How the hell to Spoon Nation? I didn't want to do that in front of our guests.

You don't have to. It's how the podcast works, though. Yes. All right, here's a drop, Wags. Do we have to play a drop today, I guess, is my question. It's a good guest. Yeah. We have bad guests a lot of the time. All right, don't say that. A lot of our guests listen to the show. They think you're talking about them. Well, I probably am. We have a great guest. We have occasional duds, but today's guest is very much not that.

No. Yes. Rhymes with dud, but there's no dud. Oh, nice little tease there. Thank you. Was it? Yeah. I don't know if it was a good tease. All right, here we go. Here's a drop. We've already wasted too much of our guest time. Here we go. Like a Witcher warlock could make do with Wally or Irma if no other option.

I mean, especially Irma. You've seen Irma. She's Wally has a little bit more pronounced white on his face. Irma's pretty. She's got some black and white, but she's more, she's got more black. They're both, they're both beautiful. Both of them are beautiful, baby. Beautiful. What are you doing? I don't know. She's a character.

I don't know. It's not really a character. Well, it's been played. Yes. Unfortunately, our guest, Bud, left. Hey, Mitch, Weigher, Emma, Wally and Irma in drop game? Question mark, happy holidays. Long time listeners, first time submitters over here. We love the pod and are thankful for everything you do. Looking forward to the upcoming beautiful guy, Netflix limited series,

seasons, eatings, Connor and Aurora from Rochester, New York, November 22nd, 2020. This is where that was from. Okay. So it just got played. All right. So they may have fallen off and found another podcast by this point. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe someone wrote them out. Listen to some far right podcast, which this will someday be as well. We'll opportunistically take a hard right turn at some point.

They'll probably boost our Patreon numbers. It's inevitable. But before we do that, Mitch, that drop was all about your love for your cats, Wally and Irma, our guest today. Also a cat guy. We'll get into that. A writer, director and producer whose films include the 40 year old virgin, trainwreck and the king of Staten Island. And Netflix's love featuring her own Mike Mitchell, Judd Apatow.

Hi, Judd. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so ill right now. I've had the fever. I've had the flu three times in six weeks, not COVID. We don't think. Yes. I'm like, you know, I could be one of those people that the tests don't read it.

You know, maybe my system is different. But I literally, this is the third time in six weeks I've had like fever, chills, no explanation, had a blood test. They see nothing or maybe I'm just crazy. Have you seen Aaron Rodgers at all lately? Were you in the vicinity of Aaron Rodgers? Well, the thing about Aaron Rodgers is I remember he was on Pete Ho's podcast and he told a story about seeing aliens and I somehow feel it's all connected.

I feel like it's all connected to his worldview. Yes, I can see that. There's definitely some crossover. You don't know what you believe. You don't know what to believe. That's all, right? It's like an ex files kind of situation. Wow.

One of the cool, that is crazy to me that he saw aliens Aaron Rodgers. I don't know. Go hunt down the old, you made a weird podcast. He had a full alien story. Not that I don't believe that kind of a thing. I think even our government has said, we don't know what some of these things are. Were there like hundreds of sightings from fighter pilots? So why would we not believe him?

Yes, that's true. We were talking about the pills, the tic-tacs, why? That everyone had seemed to see. Seemed to see the white little... Wait, what did you say? The tic-tacs, the little white... Tic-tacs? ...ships.

You don't know about the white tic-tac ships? No, I thought you were trying to say tic-tac and getting it wrong. Tic-tacs? What are they? The hell you... Like alien tic-tacs? No, I'm saying there's the tic-tac ships. Like the white pill...

Judd knows what I'm talking about. Oh, like these ships are shaped. They have the same form factor as a tic-tac. Got it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Which really isn't that technologically advanced when you think about it. No. No. Just as a shape. Like is that the most aerodynamic shape? It doesn't seem like. It doesn't seem like one. Maybe they're much less technologically advanced than us.

They just get here. They're impressed by our fighter jets. Like they know how to get here, but yet with really shitty equipment. Yeah. There's a scenario where I could be a god to these people. I'm so intelligent. Next level intelligence compared to the tic-tac people. Well, I'm glad to be here even in an ill state.

I passed out and then I was like, should I cancel? It was a lot of canceling discussion. I moved it from earlier today to late. And then I said, you know what? I'm going to roll with the I'm sick attitude. Wow. And just be real with you.

I'm going to be real with you guys. Judd, that feeling of canceling hours before the show, I think it's something every guest goes through. Something that happens on this pod. And then you get the sunk. Right. The sunk cost fallacy. I've already ate the meal, so might as well talk about it.

I think also, I just will say that also, you could be feeling sick because of the pod. That's another possibility. That's true. That's happened. Because now, you know, when you do podcasts, you know, you're up late that night thinking, what did I say?

Will it end my career? That little joke out of context in eight years, when I get hired on some network show, take me down. Yeah. So I'm scared. I've given myself a seven second delay because I can say anything. I might say some really pretty terrible things

that are going to hurt whole communities and end my whole career. You know what? We're truth tellers. We're going to leave it all in, unless you say not to. But we're going to leave it all in and let people hear the truth. That's a worse call. That's a worse call.

Hey, guys, it should. You know, that whole thing that I said, I mean, is there any way you could lose it? I mean, the thing where I thought, talked about how Epstein is kind of a cool guy, even though he's done a lot of bad stuff, but he's so cool. I mean, that whole section about my temple,

I mean, I said some things about my rabbi that I think might come across wrong. And we're confidently saying you should keep it in. See, Weigher and I don't have to worry about the career thing. We're fine. We're fine. Weigher, we're fine. Yeah.

You got Patreon anyway. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Patreon, that's all that. Yeah. If that goes, we're in trouble. But that's the only thing we... But Judd, I got to tell you,

just Nick, listing off your credits. I was a late bloomer, and I lost my virginity just shortly before 40-year-old Virgin came out, which was the biggest relief ever for me, because it was like... It made me cool. It made me cool. But it was about to be released,

and I was so thrilled that I was no longer a virgin, because I just felt like I was going to live with those jokes for so long. And then the movie was hilarious when I saw it. Well, you could have used it. You could be like, hey, you see that movie? I'm like the guy. I'm all clean. I'm all clean.

You know the ending where she didn't mind? Well, you shouldn't mind either. I remember when we were working on that movie, and we were trying to figure out how Catherine Keener would react when she found out. And then we realized, oh, she would just go, oh, that's better, because who really wants like a filthy penis?

A filthy, really overused penis. You would be kind of happy that you weren't going to get a venereal disease or something. Yeah, I think the opposite of that you wouldn't love. You know what I mean? Like a guy who was like a player or something like that. A Pua fan likes a pickup artist, which I know you live by that code, Nick, so I don't want to...

Yeah, that's kind of my religion. Hasn't I gone anywhere for me? I tried on my wife, but she's like, just none of it works. Yeah. Yeah. No, not at all. She's like, what are you doing? Put the scarves away.

I can't make any of that work in the house at all. Hey, hon, what are you doing? Like it all comes across creepy, even as a married person. I'm creepy on all advances. Nick is constantly... You're negging Natalie constantly, right, Nick? Yeah. She nags me back, so it's just like she just outflows me.

Rightfully so. I mean, I deserve it. Judd, I got to start off with a big question. Something that I have always... I mean, look, you and Sandler live together at one point. And to me, that's just the coolest... Back when I would read comedy books or SNL books and think about what it was like to be there at SNL in the 90s or the 80s or whatever.

Well, at one point in the 80s. But for you and Sandler, Sandler living together, that is, I would have died to be a fly on the wall in that situation. It just seems like it must have been a lot of fun. Was this pre-Sandler SNL? Was that when you guys were living together? Yeah, it was right before SNL. He got SNL while we lived together one day.

He's like, I'm going to Chicago to audition for SNL. And at the time, he just mumbled on stage. He didn't do characters, really. And so I thought, he's not going to get SNL. There's no part of me that thought he was equipped to do a... I thought he would be a big star. And it clearly seemed like there was no way to stop this train. Even when he was completely unemployed,

just his friends were like, yeah, he's the funniest of everybody. But he didn't do impressions or... He wasn't like a second city person. He was a comedian who studied acting at NYU. And then he went there and I guess a bunch of people auditioned in Chicago. And then he just left. But the funniest thing is that when he left, he just left all his stuff at the apartment and just never came back.

So he still paid his rent for... I mean, probably like a year where he just paid his rent. And when I packed up the apartment, he left like his driver's license and really important like his wallet. Like I have all that stuff here. I still have like his wallet with like his NYU ID and all that stuff. I mean, he was just like that. He just moved forward.

But it was funny just because there's that moment when you're young and you're really into doing stuff, but no one will let you do anything. So you do some stand-up. But other than that, you're bored all day. And at the time, Adam really just liked to make people laugh who were just around him. Once you start working and you're making movies and you're exhausted, that becomes less appealing. But when you have tons of comedic energy and no audience,

suddenly dinner becomes the funniest thing. And we were all aware that it was a special treat, but he would go so hard. But that is the one thing is that when he got famous, he just got quieter in those settings because it would be tiring and probably annoying to do that for the rest of your life, to have that level of comic energy. Yeah. What did you guys, were your two single guys living at this place together at the time?

Is that correct? I think kind of a little of both. And but I was just, I was worthless, truly. Yeah. I was not good at any, in any situation. When you talk about being a player, there was no one that was going to sink your night faster than me. I couldn't get overflow from anybody that there was no scenario

where anything would go my way. I mean, just spectacular failures all the time and very sad. I mean, that's why I wrote Forty Old Virgin. Yeah. But Forty Old Virgin really came from just like a series of humiliations. I remember I started doing stand up a little bit. I stopped, I did stand up for about seven years and then I stopped. And then right before Forty Old Virgin,

I just decided to go on all of these shows, like Uncabaret. And I would just tell like really terrible sex stories and dating stories. And I don't know why I did, but I would really get explicit. And then the next year we worked on Forty Old Virgin and then suddenly they were all in the movie. And sometimes you feel like almost like you know, you need to tell these stories, create them. Get them out there.

Yeah, the universe is calling to you to tell all these things. So when you and Sam were in this place, what were you guys eating? What was the, in your 20s, early 20s to mid 20s, what were some go-to spots for you guys? Because this is Los Angeles. So I'm guessing that probably in an outburger or Carl's Jr. was around here. But what was your guys go-to spots? The main place we ate was the improv. And so we would do spots at the improv.

They had incredible fettuccine Alfredo. Wow. And I would MC all night till about 1.30 in the morning. I would have them make me a double order. I literally would say, can I have double the pasta and eat it at like 1.30 in the morning? And you know, back then when you're young, first of all, we're both skinny as a rail. There's no thought that we could ever balloon up. And there was also no thought that it could affect our sleep.

Like, you know, when you're young, you don't know that, you know, if I have a lot of food in my stomach, it might wake me up in the middle of the night. You don't know it. So you don't wake up. You know, it's like, you know how when you're young, you don't realize there are uncomfortable beds or pillows? You just never would think like, this is an uncle. You didn't, you don't know that sheets feel different.

It was like that. And so we would eat so much food. It was always late night. The Jerry's deli, uh, like cold water. Did that just close? I think I might have just closed. Oh, did it really? I didn't, I didn't realize that.

But the one that has a bowling lane, a bowling bowling lanes attached to it, did it close? Because that's also, I think so. You would hear stories about Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld like racing to that restaurant, right? With like, oh yeah. They would, incredible like matzo ball soup with big hunks of chicken. And, uh, I would have a, a bagel with tons of butter. I mean, that was as fancy as we got.

And then if we wanted to get, you know, go to a special meal, we would hit red lobster. Without iron, it wasn't like we were going to a bad place. You know, ironically to us, we're like, we are going to go get lobster tonight. And loved it. There was, there was one on venture, we were in the valley in North Hollywood. So those are like our main places. I mean, there was like great Chinese restaurant also on Ventura back then. Oh man, I can't remember the name.

I mean, we had a lot of Chinese coming from New York and made us feel like we were in New York to just be pound and sweet and sour shrimp all day. I, uh, Jerry, if Jerry's closed down, that's a, that's a hit to, to the deli scene because green blacks closed over a, yeah. A lot of delis didn't survive. That's so sad. Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure it did.

Yeah. It looks like that their website says we have closed for now. My, my association with Jerry's famous deli is the one in Westwood. I just remember when I was waiting in line to see the Phantom Menace, they let us use the bathroom and that was nice of them. Well, I remember like going there, you know, we would go at night after doing stand up and it was a great place because there were like interesting celebrities. I remember seeing Soleil Moon Fry there in 1990.

And you know, who used to come in as the guy that played the manager in the Partridge family. You'd see him at breakfast every day. He'd be eating with this comedian, Johnny Dark, who I always watched when I was a kid on the Mike Douglas show was a great guy. So you'd see a lot of comedians would be hanging out there, you know, all the time. And I remember I asked a waitress out on a date. There was a really gross piece of like veiny gristle. And I asked her if she could wrap it up for me so I can take it home.

That's how I flirted back then. And so I take her on a date and I take her to see Le Miserable. And so now I'm young and poor. So I buy student tickets to Schubert. And I think that that means they're great tickets because you would give the great tickets to the students. So we get there. Or we start walking up the stairs and walking up the stairs and walking up the stairs.

And it's like three different balconies. We are literally on the we're so high up that we're the top row that you can see like all the mechanics of the stage. You can see all the stage hands and I did not see her. That's fun though. I see the people behind the scenes who make it work. It's fun to see what they're up to. It's fun to see how you turn a stage, how you get a turning stage to work.

That's what I'd be saying to her afterwards. It was fun to see that stuff. It was hard to hear from so high up. The voices don't match. Like what you're hearing isn't matching their lips moving because you're so far away. Right, yeah. Nick, I quickly wanted to say that you waiting in line to see the Phantom Medicine asking to go to the bathroom at the deli is one of the dorkiest things I've ever heard of my entire life.

Just to be just I just had a comment on it. It is you're in line for this and you asked Jerry's deli if you could use the bathroom and they took pity on you and let you go. That was an experience because I was back before like, you know, every movie had a sign seating. So it was like, well, everyone was lining up hours in advance to see this early screening of Phantom Menace. And I remember I remember Tofer Grace came by the line at one point and asked people if they wanted they needed anything, which was like, oh, just a weird like, like, you know, yeah,

I think he's a huge Star Wars fan, but it's just like a weird, weird thing. And then I also remember the guy who was in the very front of the line, the guy who'd like camped out was seated next to my friend. We like split up and he got a seat like right next to him. And he said he like he'd been waiting in line for like 36 hours and he fell asleep. So and he missed getting in first. No, he fell asleep during the Phantom Menace. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is terrible. That's yeah. Have you ever like had like people be so loud around you in a movie theater? So many people on their phones that the next time you go to a movie, you buy the seats next to you. I did that once. I'm like, I can't take it anymore. And I'm like, I don't want to sit next to these people next to me.

And, you know, let me tell you something. That's where the drill bit tailor money comes in handy. I'm going to buy out this theater. Um, why is also Eyes Wide Shut came out that year. I'm sure you also were were you in line for that one as well or no? Yeah, I was. Well, I had like I couldn't see it opening night because I had this masquerade to attend. But then after I went that I went that weekend.

Judd, you mentioned before before we started Mitch was trying to get his cat to come over to keep him company. But you were getting your cat out of the room for the record for audio purposes. You are a cat man. Well, I've always loved cats. And then our family has always been allergic. But then, I don't know, we just went for it. And so we got a cat. Then we quickly got another cat.

And then during the pandemic, my daughter Maude was in New York and she got two cats. Then she came back and just left the cats with us. So now we have four cats. And I don't think I would have gotten through the pandemic without them. We have become crazy cat people. We do have intimate relationships with them. And we don't regret it. We're not embarrassed that the only thing holding us together as a family

is our mutual love of the cats. Like we might love the cats more than each other. But the fact that they love the cats makes us love them for loving the cats. That's what it's turned into. I'm a huge, Wally and Irma helped me out big time through the pandemic. They were, I probably got them around probably during love is when I first got them. Right, Wags? Or maybe a little before love.

But by the way, I want to go back to another thing too in a second. Just the fact that a comedy club has Fettuccine Alfredo. Could you just imagine UCB having Fettuccine Alfredo, like just a plate of Fettuccine Alfredo. That was good. It sounded good. Oh, and a good burger. Some interns microwaving it.

Oh yeah, they had a big eight ounce hamburger. It was good. Good burger fries. They have a really good burger fries right now. They improv. Like it's hard for me. You know, I stopped eating meat during the pandemic. Just fish and I'll tell you why because this person came over to our house and

they had a duck and they brought the duck to the house and the duck behaved like our cats. And we had a moment where we went, there's no difference between the cats and the duck. So if we eat a duck, it's like eating our own cats. And it just, we just suddenly felt bad. Although lately, you know, I'm weakening because I went to Jake Kasdan's house and Jake has chickens. And the chickens were running around, packing their food and giving each other a hard time. And I thought, I'd eat those guys.

I haven't yet. But I would, you know. Duck seemed more like a personable. I mean, a duck ran the New York marathon this last. Did you see that, Wikes? Wait, really? The whole thing or just the end? I'm not sure if it was just a section.

I'm not sure if it won or not. It might have won. It was running in the marathon. Was this a cartoon you watched? It was not a cartoon that I watched. Okay. In fact, you know what? Armin Weitzman texted it to me and I'm going to pull it up right now.

It was a duck running in the New York marathon. Well, this duck was cute. This was like a very personable duck. And it changed me. I was a vegetarian once before. I was listening to the guy from the movie, Babe, you know, that actor. He's on succession now. He plays the brother of Brian Cox.

Oh, yeah. Yes. And he's a very big vegetarian guy. And he was on, like, fresh air or something. And he was explaining the reasons to be a vegetarian, some moral, some health. And I swear in, like, three minutes, he Vulcan mind melded me and got me to not eat meat for a year. But then I got really fat because I would just eat pizza.

Yeah. Yeah, that would. Okay. So I had this similar thing happen to me because this year- By the way, here's the duck running in the marathon. Which is holding up his phone to show a duck. It's very cute. And I have little shoes and everything too.

It's just running the marathon. The actor James Cromwell, by the way, that's the guy from Babe. Yeah. Oh, all right. I thought you were talking about the duck. But I had a similar thing, which is that I, like, because I stopped eating meat this year. No meat shall I eat in the year of our Lord 2021. And I've gained weight.

Like, I've actually gotten to be my heaviest because I've eaten more carbs to compensate for the absence of animal proteins. Like, you've experienced something similar. Yeah. You just go pasta. You're like, well, pasta is not alive. I'll just have spaghetti every day. I mean, it really takes work.

And my problem is I get sick of things without meat. So you, like, for me, because I'll eat fish, I'm just eating so much salmon and shrimp. And then I'll think to myself, well, isn't salmon just filled with just garbage and plastic? And shrimp is just shit in a living thing. Why is this better? And then I'm like, I'm going to kill a fucking chicken. Then I also think about, like, global warming. And I'm like, should I not eat chickens while the world is cascading into the sun?

But so far, I still have stayed strong. But there's a debate happening in my head. And I'm also pudding. You can eat pudding. I mean, I'm not a vegan. So I'll eat, you know, things with milk and eggs and stuff. So you could get really into ice cream. You get excited for what you are allowed to have, you know?

Yeah. That's a problem too, sweets. See, I think even if they're, you know, if we're in a dried out hellscape, if it's Book of Eli and I'm one of the sole survivors, I'm still going to have some chicken wings. I think that I'll have them on hand. I'll still be able to locate them and eat them. But beef does feel more and more.

And Nick, you don't know if you're ever going back to beef. Nick, he's not sure if he's going to ever go back, but... I think I'll backslide a little bit. I think I don't know if I'll ever go whole hog, if you will. I don't think I'll ever just start eating, like, you know, bacon from Denny's again. But I could see myself having meat and moderation after this year lapses. And I think there is a very, like, there's, like, you know, I don't think you have to be absolutist with this.

If you have, like, you're like, I feel like I have some chicken, I'll have some chicken, but I'll mostly eat plant-based. I think you can absolutely, you know, walk that line. By the way, you reminded me, I was, I got into the shower today. And my mom knocks on the door, like, five minutes after I'm in there. And I'm like, oh, jeez. Great start to the story. And I'm like, what's going on?

She's like, did you order food? I'm like, no, no, no. And she's like, there's food here for you in your name. And I was like, and so I'm like, great, she's going to be mad at me. I get out of the shower, I got a chips ahoy McFlurry delivered just out of the blue. That you didn't order? I didn't order it. And now my mom is mad at me, like, thinking that I'm, like, ordering sweets secretly.

What is the situation with your mom in the house? My mom is here. She's, you know what, I'll drop the news here. I'm moving, I'm moving out of my apartment. And my mom is here. You're moving out of Palmerston. Palmerston, I'm moving out of Palmerston. It's very sad.

Someday the same way that you wax nostalgic about Jed living with Adam Sandler, people will do the same about you living with Matt Kowalek in your apartment in Palmerston. It's true. A lot of good, a lot of good memories here. Is your mom visiting? Is she visiting or she lives here permanently? She's, she's visiting and she, and so she's here helping me out with some stuff. I got to purge some stuff.

She's helping me, she's helping me with some movement stuff. So, so she's here and she always thinks that I sneak snacks, so it wasn't helpful. But I think, I think our business was maybe registered here and we get, because we get weird stuff sent to us all the time. Sure. We got this, we got this weird, we have a, we got a Clorox coffee mug sent to us and then this got sent the other day too. Hashtag boss talks, a coffee mug for like weird stuff.

I don't know. They're just trying to promote stuff. I don't, I don't, there was, remember I got the boss baby bag. They send like weird stuff here. They send like promotional stuff. You got the boss baby bag, bag recently too. It was weird timing. Yeah.

It was, it was late. It was late. It felt like it felt like it was like after the movie. But my family, they would get like nice things because they're like fashion-y. So they'll get a purse. The only thing I've ever gotten free because I talked about it somewhere, Irish Spring. Wow.

Wow. That's, yeah. I talked about it somewhere. They sent me a box of Irish Spring. That is it. That's the only thing like, you know, in this world of the Kardashians, you know, mentioning something and someone sends them a, you know, a box of, you know, fancy shoes.

I just got green soap. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to beat. That's a great, that's. Not bad. I'll tell you some of these, like boss baby will like send you like a diaper full of M&M's or whatever. You're like, I don't want this shit.

It's horrible. Yeah. Like a, but they, but they sent, and I think that that's what the Chips Ahoy McFlurry thing was. I think it's like, it's back. And so they sent to Chips Ahoy McFlurry and like a little cooler. There was a cooler bag too. So.

It could also have been a psycho fan considering you consistently say the name of the street you live on, on your podcast. Oh yeah. That could be it too. It's always a possibility. Considering I just said it. And they said it's everyone in the whole block. They knew it would get you somehow.

They just sent it to everybody on the block. What is the best free thing you've gotten from the Doughboys empire? I have to think probably my Helix mattress. Yeah. And hey, right now with a promo code Doughboys, you can get 20% off. So go ahead and check that out. Helixsleep.com slash Doughboys. You know what?

I'm with why. I'm sleeping on the couch. My mom is sleeping in, which is also just a nightmare, but my mom's sleeping in the bed and she's like, she's going to buy one of those mattresses that they. Wow. Why did they, why, why do they advertise? I mean, we shouldn't ask why they advertise with us out loud, but it's. I had a good one.

I had a good one. I got to admit, I had a big one. I got it. I got to admit I was at a party during award season. I was talking to this very nice woman who works for, you know, GM and she said they have these programs where they'll lend you a car, you know, and I think it's because they want you to use their vehicles in your movies and TV shows and, uh, you know, to create those relationships.

Cause you know, when you do, you know, a movie, you have to choose what kind of car James Bond drives or the 40 year old virgin. So I said, okay, I'll take that. It was, it was a Cadillac, like I said, Dan Cadillac. They said, yeah, you could use it for a few months. I didn't return it for six years. I just ignored their calls. I just eluded them and they just got it back.

They just got it back from me. Wow. Yeah. They weren't trying that hard to get it back. Like they tried harder, but I was, but I kept saying, I wonder how long I, I can have it because I don't, I didn't steal it. Sure. You know, they lent it to me, but there's no, I didn't sign a contract with the return date.

So unless they really like knock on my door, I'm going to keep this damn Cadillac. And it was a great car. So I, maybe this is the trade-off. If I say right now, buy a Cadillac, Cadillac of cars, yeah, then it was worth it for them six years of a loaner. He said it on dough boys. They're probably pissed right now of all the places. It's a good neighborhood.

Why is I'm going to be sad to, to be moving out of here and, and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll miss it, but a lot of good people in this, in this neck of the woods too. Including some love, love, love alumni. What city is this that you're in? I'm in Los Feliz. And so Paul's there somewhere? Paul is there. Is, is here somewhere?

Yeah. Not in a, a ways away, but, but, but not too far from me. Who else is there? Chris, Chris, Chris was here. Chris was, Chris was down the street. I think he has moved though since Armin is not too far by. He's in, he's in Atwater. Yeah.

And then Claudia was, Claudia was kind of close by too. Gillian, Gillian, Gillian is a ways away. She's, she's a little bit away. She's, she's, she's a ways away. Now, did you feel during the pandemic that people were burning through so much content as they were stuck in their homes that a lot more people saw love? Did you get the uptick of love watchers? 100% no doubt in my mind people watched it.

It's funny because when I, I told Nick this, but when I, when I first did the show and like it was coming out, I went to Italy and that was weirdly like one of, as far as like traveling around and people noticing me. Everywhere we went in Italy, there was a someone who, who talked about the show and and it looked like a guy in a, a guy was like Amore, Amore. He was talking about, he was talking about love. He was talking about, he was saying like Randy and stuff. So like every, every place we went to like Rome and, and where the Venice and a few other places,

but everywhere we went, someone was, had watched the show and the same for Austria and Budapest, but definitely over the, over the course of, of the pandemic, more people watched the show. And I was kind of like, why the fuck didn't you watch it? When it was not pandemic. Well, I, I can never tell if it's ever offered up as a recommend because it's, it's never recommended to me. It never was recommended to me.

And I don't know if like they go, well, you did it. So we're not going to recommend it to you. Or I actually don't match into the algorithm as someone who would watch love on Netflix. I don't, I don't see it often, but it's, it's in my two watch again. Like it's on the top of my two watch again all the time. And I loved, I loved, I loved doing it. And you know, I think Paul is the funniest guy on earth. And, and uh, and it was, it was a great time.

A lot of funny people involved with that show. So many funny people. You got Hanford, Mike Cassidy, uh, Watoski. You got Dave King right in it. Allie Rushfield, Allie Waller, Rebecca Adelman was on there for Wild Wigs. Jordan Rock, Gellman, Bobby Lee, uh, Eric Edelstein, who played my brother on the show. Just, you know, I, I didn't know him well before that. And then, uh, just one of the funniest, uh, nicest dudes around.

Uh, and we were brothers, which was great. Cassidy, Seth Morris. There was just so many funny people that were involved with the show. Uh, and I was really happy and, and lucky to be involved with it. Uh, my question to you, and, uh, I want to ask you what you think about, uh, the world of comedy right now, because to me, I'm scared coming back to Los Angeles. I'm kind of nervous and just especially because I'm like,

will there ever be a comedy movies ever again? And I, and I guess you're the guy to talk to. You're, you're, you're, you're one of the people who does make them. And I, and I am like, will the comedy movies be back in theaters? Now that's what that's not seeing a comedy in theaters for like now, like it feels like five years or something. Like it feels like it's very, it's very strange. And it was happening beforehand.

I think I have very specific theories about this, which may not be interesting to your listeners, but I will say it anyway, briefly, and they'll understand. We're not interesting to the listeners. This anything is more interesting than us. Talk about onion rings. Shut up. When you can make movies that can make a billion dollars and shoot out universes and sequels,

then that's where the studios want to spend most of their bandwidth, their money and their mental energy is, you know, how do we, you know, create, uh, you know, something that works in China. And so comedies don't really do that. They don't necessarily travel a ton. Some of our movies have like bridesmaids traveled around the world, but so then you're just not the priority. And I also think for cheaper things, horror does really well

because those things sometimes are dirt cheap and they still work well and make a lot of money. So comedy is like a, it's in a little weird area, budget wise for what's happening. See, in the old days, people used to buy everything on DVD. So if you had a movie and it made $50 million in the theater, it used to always make $50 million on DVD. And so there was an economic reason to make them, but the DVD half disappeared and it wasn't fully replaced by much, you know, like digital downloads.

And so I don't know if financially, you know, it's as easy a swing as some other things. But, you know, Universal loves making them. We just produced Billy Eichner's movie, which has come out this summer, Bros. And, and they're into making them. So I think, I think that, you know, if there was a movie right now that was as good as a hangover, like if they made the hangover part four right now, and it was insanely funny, I do think it would make a billion dollars.

Yeah, I do think if there was something great, like something about Mary, people would run to it and it would make just as much money. Right. I think people want, I just, I just, my fear is that so many movies are just going to be streaming and not in theaters anymore. That's, that's comedy movies. That's what I, I mean, and obviously good for people to get work and I love that, but I love seeing comedies in the theater and I feel like that's, that's, that's a, that's, it scares me.

I want, I want it to come and so many, and so many funny people that I've met through love and Claudia is one of the funniest and Paul is one of the funniest and Leslie who worked on the show is one of the funniest and just, I want, I want those people to be up on the big screen. And I, and I, and I feel that it's, yeah, like what you're saying, it's all horror movies or, or Marvel movies or Star Wars movies. I mean, for me, I feel like it's a fun challenge to prove it wrong that people will go, but it is, it is, it is an odd, it is an odd moment. There's, there's a little bit of a, a hole in the pace of things getting done.

But I take it on, I will take it on to try to prove that they will do well. I'm going to personally try to tell the world that people will go if we make them. I mean, we've never had a movie that was, you know, incredible that really didn't do well in some format. You know, even the movies that were like, is that me? My wife is trying to reach me. Remember, I said the thing about, like how long I could be on will depend on when my wife says, you know, you got, you have to stop. We haven't gotten to the restaurant yet. So yeah, it's like, I don't know. She went upstairs. She might say, let's go out to dinner.

And then I, I'm like, no, I've got two more hours here and you're just going to have to wait. Cursing the dough boys. Exactly. But so what was I saying? I got confused. You're talking about theaters. You emphatically pounded your fist that you believe in this. Yes. And you said something about the dough boys movie, which Nick and I. Yeah, right. Yeah. If there was a riotous. If you had to retask one of us, which was weird.

And then you said both of us. It's weird. It doesn't exist. It's already, why doesn't it exist? You know what I'm saying? Like, why not? Well, if it's anything like our live shows, it's no one's going to enjoy themselves. We got to, why is something, we got to put Fettuccine Alfredo on the rider. Can we do that? Is that possible to put? Yes. A double order. What happens at dough boys live? Having not seen it live, what happens?

We literally sit and do the show and people just, people watch and enjoy it. It's the strangest feeling as someone who, you know, and Mitch is, Mitch is an actor. I'm not an actor, but we both came up doing, you know, live comedy and have been in front of audiences a lot. And the feeling of being like, first of all, because sometimes the show is just conversational. And it's just, and so people are just watching you have a conversation, which is a very strange thing to be observed doing. And, but also that I think a big part of it is people just have listened to you talking in their ears for hundreds of hours and they just want to see you in person.

They're like, I feel like I have a personal connection with you. So many people will even say to us, I feel like you are my friends. Are they, are they your friends? Yes. Yeah. I mean, if they subscribe to the Patreon, sure. This also leads to them being like, drunkenly walking up on stage and then saying stuff like, I'll pay you $100 to like kiss my wife. Weird stuff. That's the going rates. Is that the going rates?

Hot wife subculture contingent of the Doughboys fandom. Really into cuckoldry. It's strange. It's a weird feeling to do a live podcast. I still, I like it. And, you know, it's fun to have that energy of a live crowd, particularly because we did one show in New York, Mitch, and that was the first time you and I have been on stage in front of people in like 18 months. It was like a very, like we were on stage, we've talked about the show. We were on stage in Denver and we did a live show the night that Tom Hanks had COVID announced he had COVID and Rudy Gobert announced he had COVID in the NBA suspended it season. That same night. That was the last time we were on stage.

Yep. And then after that, we flew back to LA and we're in quarantine forever long. And so like that, you know, that interregnum coming back in front of a live audience, it was pretty invigorating, honestly. Like even as someone like me is pretty kind of jaded about that stuff. Nick is selling himself short too, because when I started doing stuff at UCB, he was a great improviser and a very funny guy on stage. So he's selling himself short. He's very funny. He literally sold himself so short he even said that he wasn't a performer. He did. He said I'm not a performer. And he is a performer. He very much was and is. He did that entire part of his life. He just eliminated.

I mean, he did kind of delete it from his life. It is strange. Yeah. And he did tell me one time that once this show ends, he'll never look back on it and he'll just completely regroup. You did say that, Nick. He said that once the show is over, I won't look back on it. Look, I've deleted a lot of things from my life. Don't investigate. Please. I think you should be buried. Yeah. You'll never, you'll never listen to it again, but, but, but other people will just keep listening. That'll just, that'll rotate it. I saw Nick with, with Paul Rust and a bunch of other, Neil Campbell and a bunch of other funny UCB people back in the day, back when I was,

when I was first coming around and Nick was, Nick was very funny, inspired. God bless you. That was UCB open or closed right now. It's currently closed. And by the way, when I say inspiring, I was like, if that freak can do it, anyone kind of means anyone can do it. UCB sunset is closed for good. Franklin, where I remember when you were making funny people. I remember you, I remember you guys coming. I was, I was at the theater at that time. I remember you guys coming through there. Did you see that show with Sandler and Kevin James?

I, I came in like after, like I came into that show and because it was a packed show too, but I had missed Sandler. I went, I then went and saw like Sandler's tour. I love Sandler as, as you can tell, but I, but I went and saw his tour with him and like spade and Norm did it and a bunch of other people. And it was, Judd, you did it. We, me and Paul, and you, you, you did it that night at the LA, uh, at LA, it was that, that LA live place. I did. I did one of those shows. It was crazy. Like 7,000 people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me, me and Paul and a few other people were there that night. It was great. But yeah, no, I was, I was, I feel like I came late. Like I kind of weaseled my way into the

theater. I didn't see Sandler, but I saw, I saw some people do stand up. So I did, I was hosting that night. You know, we were, Sandler hadn't done stand up in many, many years. So he started getting up on stage and Jonah needed to get on stage and Seth. So we did a night at UCB and, and then I said to the crowd, I go, the next person here, uh, he's working on his HBO, especially wants to run the set. So he's going to, he's going to do an hour. And this is really exciting. Kevin James. And then Kevin James came out and he did one joke and then walked off. That's the, that's the wider, that's the level wider wants. That's what he, the one joke. Yeah. It was a, I guess a funny practical joke on the crowd.

But also then we would have like Aubrey Plaza, you know, we made her learn how to just stand up. And once we were shooting funny people and we built a comedy club on stage at Sony. So the whole crowd is extras. They're paid to be there. And Aubrey is doing a set and she doesn't feel like it's going well. And she literally looks like she's got, you know, bombing face. And then I'm, you know, behind the camera and I just yelled out, this isn't real. These people are paid to be here. This is not an audience. This is not reality. If I tell them to laugh, they'll laugh. We might have to take you on a tour for dough boys too. We might need you to yell that out every so often. Yeah. Sometimes you need to know that. You need to know that.

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Umami Burger, which we are visiting for the third time completing the Umami trilogy, founded in 2009 by Adam Fleischman, who later helped launch 800 degrees pizza, Mitch, with Chef Anthony Carone. We love that 800 degrees. Has about 20 locations in California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and the Bahamas, one of the first chains to have impossible meat, particularly relevant for my diet and Judd's diet, and reviewed twice on this podcast in 2015 with Heather Ann Campbell from 2017 with Dave Nier, 2.5 forks and 3.5 fork averages respectively. Judd, why did you want to discuss Umami? Well, because I'm not eating the red meat, and we were talking about fast food, not that Umami

is fast food. Umami is like a fancy burger, what do you call it, a fancy burger? Yeah, it's a sit down place. And they have an impossible burger that I eat. They have an impossible truffle burger, which I think is very good. Yeah. So you like the truffles? I will go for a truffle. I'm not afraid to order a truffle. I will get a cheap truffle. I will get an expensive truffle. Uh, truffles are a part of my life. I usually think after I have truffles, I probably could have just bought like, you know, one of those jars of, you know, like a jug of truffle juice, and it would have tasted the same as buying expensive truffles and putting it on food. I don't think it tastes different to actually have a truffle on your pasta than just pouring

truffle juice from, uh, you know, a jar. Yeah, right. Because you can get truffle oil fries at like a chain restaurant. But like, if you go to like a fancy pan sit down place, it'll be like, hey, you can add shaved black truffle for like a $20 upcharge on your dish, you know. Or the white truffles. Or the white truffles. Yeah. But this, I thought that this truffle burger is very good. Uh, they've got the skinny fries. Here's what I usually get. I get the truffle burger. I get the skinny fries. I get a Diet Coke. And I get, they have some sort of like chocolate, maybe with coffee type of milkshake. So I generally get like a Diet Coke and the milkshake. And I convinced myself that it was a healthy meal because it's an impossible burger. And I don't

really know what impossible meat is. I don't know what it's made of. I don't know if it's good for you, bad for you, fattening, non-fattening, but in my head, it's a miracle, uh, weight loss drug with a lot of vitamins. I mean, it is the best of the plant proteins. There's, there, well, there's no cholesterol in it, right? So that's a, you know what I mean? That's immediately better, right? There's no, there's no cholesterol in the impossible meat. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the whole thing of like, does, does ingesting cholesterol add to your cholesterol levels? That's always been the thing of like, like, is, or that, that was the whole egg fiasco of like weight. I debated this with my wife. I just debated it this morning.

Yeah. Yeah. What, what have you decided about this? I think that it's, that it's more just, you know, I think having lots of saturated fats are probably bad for you. And oftentimes foods that have cholesterol have saturated fats, but I think that's more likely the culprit than actually cholesterol itself, um, within, uh, and also, like, like it's, uh, from what I've read, like high HDL cholesterol and high LDL cholesterol, like if those are both high, they kind of offset. It's not like it's, you know, uh, it's more about keeping things in balance. But yeah, hey, I'm not a dietitian. I'm certainly not a doctor. But that's just sort of what I've gleaned. Um, but, uh, Mitch, you were going to say something.

Oh, I was just going to talk about it. I'm a big truffle fan as well. Yes. Nick, you know that I've looked into trying to get a truffle pig. Right. And to dig around your neighborhood and see if we can find a truffle. There's a movie called the truffle hunter hunters that is supposed to be very good. There's also the Nick Cage pig movie, uh, which it's just called pig and he's got a truffle pig and it's, I, I really liked it. Great food movie too. All about the Portland food scene. No pig farmer, trust me. They won't sell me their pigs for whatever reason, but I, but I, I wanted a truffle pig. I, I, I, I'm a huge fan of, of, of truffle fries and, and, and truffle

burgers when, but I, I don't, I don't get them too often because I do think it's a very strong taste that will overtake a lot of what you got. But we got truffle fries the other night, Nick, when we went to Capitol grill, my mom and I, and they were, like I said, my mom said they were the best fries she's ever eaten. And I was, I kind of agreed with her. I got the truffle fries here as well at, at umami burger. I went to the one by the grove. Umami burger, like we, we've talked about before, Nick, it was kind of like the, the judge, you remember the burger explosion in LA when like every, there was a burger at every place and I thought I was working at the Simpsons at the time and Matt Selman was telling me about,

about umami and he left like a, the website open and I went to like the very first umami burger right near where my, where I lived back in the day on miracle near miracle mile. And that was, it was like, like it was a, it was revolutionary at the time. And then I think that Nick and I have talked about this, they expanded the chain expanded quite a bit and it lost some of its shine. We were really mean to it at one point. And then we went back again and we were kind of, we were nicer to it the next time around, right, Nick? Yeah, I don't know if we were, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, we were a little harsher initially. I think once, when we tried their impossible burger, and again, that was like a

thing like, you know, speaking of, of, of revelations, like when they first introduced the impossible burger, I think that was the first impossible burger I had was edumami in 2017. And it was, I was like, this is really good. And um, and I think it's a really good execution. I'm not a, I'm not as truffly of a guy. And particularly the impossible truffle burger has a truffle aioli, truffle fondue and truffle glaze. So I usually opt for their more conventional burgers, but the, but I do think they're, it's, it's nice that they have an impossible protein and you can sub it in all of their different items these days. Yeah, I, I, I think that I don't know. I, it feels, to me, it feels more like a

Judd, like you were saying it is, it's supposed to be more of a sit down fancy burger place, but now it feels like an in-between place. It feels, it does feel better than sitting down at Carl's Jr. or Jack in the Box or whatever. It's a nicer experience than that for sure, even though I love those places in their own way. But it's not quite like going to whatever, like a, to go, Nick, what's the restaurants you love there? The, the, the chain restaurant, the, the, Like a hillstone? A hillstone. It's not like a hillstone or, or, you know,

I love the hillstone family. I love the whole Cafe R&D hillstone chain. We have Cafe R&D. I mean, I think we eat there more than we eat at our home. I saw it, so I saw the R, at the R&D in Brentwood, I was there once with a friend of the show from the Deli Boys, David Phillips, and we're eating there. And this, this, this Hummer pulls up that says on the side of it, the Terminator. It's like a camo Hummer that says the Terminator and Schwarzenegger is driving. He gets out. Now this restaurant does not have a valet. So his assistant, who's in the park, who's in his, the seat,

just like changes seats so we can park the car for him. Schwarzenegger walks in and there's like a big weight and Schwarzenegger just walks, walks straight to a table and just like sits down. It was so fucking awful. He doesn't even ask a question. He just goes to it. He doesn't even ask. No, yeah. He lights up a cigar in the middle of the restaurant. He's gonna tell him this. Amazing. He grabs the waitress, has her sit on his lap while he smokes a cigar.

Arnold, you can't do a lot of these things anymore. He doesn't care. He just goes, Why do you say that? You can. Feeding his donkey at the table. His white tiger. But you're right. It's not the same. It's not the same as like a fancy sit-down restaurant. It still kind of has a fast casual feel to it, Mitch. The Umami. And I do think that Truffle is a part of that. And Nick, my mom wanted to get the Truffle burger, but we didn't get it. I'm going to run down what we got real quick. We got three burgers.

We got the Sunnyside burger, the K-Town burger, and the Patty Melt, the Umami Patty Melt. The Sunnyside burger is like it's bacon strips, fried egg, Truffle, aioli, tomato spread, avocado, lettuce, American cheese. The K-Town is marinated pork belly, Korean slaw, pickles, classic sauce. Both of them have a beef patty, of course. And then the Patty Melt is caramelized onions, provolone, American cheese, and classic sauce. Those were our three burgers that we split up. And like I said, we got the Truffle fries. And we did a favorite. We did the cheesy tots. I don't know if you've ever tried this, Judd, but the cheesy tots are really great. And we also did onion rings. I've done that, but I've done that. The onion rings. My mom is an onion ring snob,

so she was nervous about them. And then she bit into it and she said, ooh, there's a full onion in there, what she was excited about, that there was a full onion. She thought it was going to be minced onion. So she was thrilled that there was a full piece in there. That's what I got. And you know what? It was pretty good. It's good. I'm in. I'm in. I've been uber-eating it. Some things, when they show up on a delivery, they're not good. They don't survive the ride. And I think during the pandemic, we figured out, because all these places that normally wouldn't even deliver, suddenly they're deliverable. And you're like, hey, I didn't know that that would arrive so strong. Wendy's changed their fries because of this. Because it was the sort of thing of

they wanted their fries. I think they're worse now, but they wanted their fries to be crispier. So they changed the formula of their fries to be crispier through delivery, which is... I don't think that's appealing to anyone, because it just feels like you're messing with the chemical compounds of it. But whatever, they changed it. I don't like the crispy kind of a fry. Me neither. I like a little moisture. I like the old McDonald's before they screwed up the fries recipe. It was a soft fry back in the day. Wow. Are you talking about the beef tallow era?

I'm talking the 1970s fries from McDonald's, where I was... I don't know. Did they just boil a pig and chuck the fries in with the pig? I don't know what they did, but it was a whole different situation. There's a Malcolm Gladwell podcast about it, and it's great because it's just like... I'm not the biggest Malcolm Gladwell fan, but it is him just having his Gladwell-y tone, but talking about fries. It's just like, what happened? The funny thing is Malcolm Gladwell has music podcasts, and he knows a lot about modern music, but when he talks about it, it just sounds strange.

He's like, it's like the new Cardi B song. I really enjoyed when she talked about twerking. He knows all the modern music, but it doesn't sound right coming from here. Yeah, you want to give him a wedgie. The new Drake song is both sexy and bouncy. Nick and I have said this before, but sadly, if we could travel back in time, we wouldn't warn anyone of any atrocities coming. We just go back to an old school McDonald's, or an old school Wendy's, or a school Burger King. I mean, I used to eat at McDonald's as a kid, and I'm not joking.

In a week, I certainly never had McDonald's less than three times a week. Usually three times a week for a lunch or dinner. And when I went to high school, it was right down the street from my high school. We would sneak out of lunch and go there, and I would have a quarter pounder, plain, no ketchup, nothing. Just meat, bun, two large fries, shake, diet coke, and single burger meat, bun, nothing on it. Wow. That's pretty weird as a kid. I've since expanded.

I don't like that order. I was very against ketchup as a kid. I didn't start eating ketchup until I was 25. Wow. Because kids usually love ketchup. You got the opposite experience. Kids usually love ketchup. Well, the weird thing is when you would order, when you would special order at McDonald's, you know, I want a quarter pounder with nothing on it. It would come in hot. It would come in fresh. And back then, it tasted like meat. Like it didn't. And I wonder what the change was in the mass production.

We'll have to ask Malcolm Gladwell, and he'll talk about the meat. I'll also talk about the new Megan Thee Stallion song about her vagina. Hey, what did you get at the restaurant? So I went to the Santa Monica location. Yeah. Well, I was going to say which location you went to, I think, but maybe you already specified. I went to the Grove one. Okay. So I went to the Santa Monica location. The one that we ate at in Los Feliz is closed. So I don't know what the deal is, but it is closed.

Yep. With Dave and Marissa back in the day. How about that? Yeah, I went to the... So this is one thing that you and I both notice, Mitch. On the flip side of their print menu, they have a Sam Sandwiches side, which is all chicken sandwiches. And it's strange because it's a brand that exists under the umbrella of Umami Burger. But it's like... I found it disorienting. I was like, is this the same restaurant? Is this a ghost kitchen that operates within? But no, it's just like what they call their chicken sandwiches are under the Sam Sandwiches umbrella, which also has its own fry subcategory,

which is their seasoned waffle fries. No, there's Sam's Crispy Chickens, and they're part of the Umami family is the issue. Yes. So I think it is like a burger... I feel like it is a Taco Bell Pizza Hut scenario, where you got two restaurants that are in the same spot. But yeah, no, it was confusing. I was confused. I was confused. I stayed away from that. I did get a blood orange frozen lemonade, which was their lemonade, a blood orange puree, and a vanilla ice cream. It was a tall boy, and it was a lot, but I thought it was quite refreshing.

I was like, this is kind of... It's dessert-y, but also it's smoothie-adjacent. It didn't feel too heavy. And I also got the Umami slaw, which was okay. It's their shredded cabbage and carrots with their classic sauce, which has a little Umami character to it. The strange thing about the slaw was that it was dusted with Parmesan, which felt very incongruous. I'm like, what is this Parmesan cheese doing on top of a heap of coleslaw? And I didn't mind it, but I also was just like kind of... Not bad. It was also weird. Yeah, it was just, I hadn't seen it before. No, it wasn't. I mean, it's not a bad thing, but it was undeniably an odd thing, like the Sururubian acknowledges much. I got the

Umami chicken wings, and this is CHIK, apostrophe N, wings. Judd, have you tried any of the fake chickens? No, but I feel like I need to spend more time bonding with fake chicken. I did over the summer during the pandemic. I went to a supermarket and bought like every kind of fake chicken patty to test, which were good. I figured out which was good, and promptly forgot. It's getting better. I think this is the corn brand, Q-U-O-R-N, and these are pretty decent. I've had these at a few different places, and this was a nice preparation and a good fry to it. I could have used maybe a little bit extra rolled in a little bit extra buffalo sauce, they did give the buffalo sauce on the side as well, and then I got that with the jalapeño

ranch and blue cheese. I mean, this scratched the, it's more nuggety than wingy, but it kind of scratched that crispy chicken itch. My big thing on the sauces, Mitch, I don't know if you experienced this at your location, is that they're all pre-packaged and sealed, which I kind of understand that you're doing a lot, probably mostly takeout business, and also just because of COVID hygiene that this is probably the way to do it, but I kind of, man, I kind of wish I'd get that actual little dish of sauce and a sit-down experience. This is the weird tweener restaurant that it is now. It's like, you would get at McDonald's, we had the classic sauce and the barbecue sauce came with some of those apps, and they were covered, but then the ketchup, which is,

is it a truffle ketchup? I think it is, right? It is a truffle ketchup, yeah. That was, that came in a little cup, but the other two were packaged, and yeah, it feels, it feels weird. It's like, that makes it feel more like a to-go place or McDonald's or whatever, but. I think in particular, when you're dining in and you're paying like a dollar upcharge for a sauce, it's kind of like, man, I just, I kind of want that little, you know, again, give me that little tin, give me that little dish. Sure. Yeah, but they're decent sauces. The jalapeno ranch, in particular, I like this, I'm something of a heat seeker, and the wings weren't particularly spicy. And then the patty melt, Mitch, I'm not sure what you felt about your, how you felt about

your patty melt, but I subbed in the impossible patty. I don't love their buns, but I thought with the, with just like the straight-up bread, and especially with the caramelized onions on there and the provolone, I thought this was great. I thought this was a really satisfying burger substitute. Why? We really love the patty melt. I mean, we, all the burger, it started to make me feel a little bit like I was being snooty about umami burger, Jeff, because I, my mom was having a blast eating it. She was like, I really like this. And it's that sort of thing of like, oh, have we, have we been too mean to this place? Like, it is, it's good. It's, it, the burgers, the sunny side burger was, was the one to me, which I would say, why are a little, as I say,

Oonga Pachka. Yes, your catchphrase. My catchphrase, Oonga Pachka. Is it catching on? It's catching on, yeah. There's merch. There's, there, there was a, it was, it was a little too much and like, but the, that patty melt, which was basic, that was a, that, that was fantastic. I thought that was really, really good. I thought it worked for me. It was just caramelized onions, couple of types of cheese, but they did a good job of it. It was great. Yeah. And that classic, I mean, that, that's the thing for me is like, I think umami sometimes can be too umami, and it's too mommy and, and when, but when they dial it back a little bit, it's a good quality product. Um, I, so I had a good experience there. Too mommy is right. I mean, my mommy was there.

It was too much. Mommy's going on. It was too much. This is a new ad campaign for them, I think. Umami loves too mommy. Well, let's get to our final, yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say, we got, we got a, we got a couple of cocktails. I got the house made lemonade and it truly just tasted like kind of trash water. It was like a very, it was organic lemonade. It's a bummer. It's just very light, but we both got peach John dailies, which is iced tea, lemon, and then a peach vodka. And we both really liked those. Those were good. The, the, the cocktail, which again makes it, sets us apart a little bit from, uh,

from your McDonald's. You get a nice little cocktail there. And then we did get a dessert wags. We got, we got the chocolate cake, which came with some whipped cream and, and, and it was, it was good. A big, a big slab of chocolate cake. It's good, right? I was editing my movie and I was just stressed in the edit bail day and I got the chocolate cake and the red velvet cake. What did I do? I ate both. That's great. After a stressful day, a big, a big slab of cake. Got to do it sometimes. Sometimes, I mean, I'm a big cake guy. My hoping is I used to, I used to get a big piece of chocolate

cake and then a big can of whipped cream, douse it, drown it in whipped cream. I mean, that's the bad thing about being an adult is that you really shouldn't do that anymore. I'm furious. I'm not allowed to, I'm furious that it's wrong. Cause you have the freedom to do it. You like, you can just go to like, I would just go to the grocery store and get a slice. They have individual slices of cake. I'll just get that sometimes. And I'm like, I can do this. I have the money. I have the freedom as an adult and this is, and I'm going to feel like shit later. I did it at Ralph's during the pandemic. I had a day of crazy stress. I bought five different

slices of the cheapest Ralph's cake, the lemon cake, the chocolate cake, the red velvet cake, the vanilla cake. And I just sat there with the fork, went from one to the other to the other, ate probably 70% of it. And then just like passed out in a, in a, in a sugar coma with, with some regret, but not, not much regret. I, I did test myself in the pandemic. I, one of my worst days of just stress eating was I ate a pint of Haganah's ice cream. And then I started the second one and finished the second one. And I realized, I had never hit two full pints in a row. Two pinter. And that, that, that was bottom. That was bottom. That, that, that I realized was going to lead to some heart problems. So I didn't do it

again. I do think that a two pinter day could just kill me at this point. I think, I think, uh, two pints could just take me down. I, you know, you know, you know, my issue, Judd, I'm a cake fan as well. And then there's so much cake versus pot there. The cake versus pie wars got to end. I like both of them. It's a reverse alien versus predator. Whoever wins, we win. We like them both. It doesn't have to be a contest. I feel like so many people are like, oh, cake. I'm like, you like cake. You just do it. It's great. It's also good. I'm okay. I'm okay. When I go into like a deli and they have like seven layer, like the craziest heights of a chocolate cake. You know what I love? I like a vanilla lemon cake, those little like white chocolate leaves in

it. Oh yeah. Oh yes. So man, Jewish, you like a big slice of chocolate cake at a Jewish deli. Fantastic. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. My uncle owned a Jewish deli. My uncle owned one in Queens. I think I've been trained on just all that food. Wow. That rules. I'm a big, I'm a big birthday flavor guy. If you ever had, do you ever get that big slice of birthday cake? I'll do that sometimes. That's not my favorite flavor. That is not sometimes there's ice creams with that flavor. Yeah. I'll do it, but pure chocolate, chocolate, chocolate, vanilla ice cream on top. Nick, I think just likes to say he likes birthday flavor, which is a weird annoying thing to say. I do. Because what is birthday flavor really? It's just like white cake with a lot of sprinkles.

Yeah. Which I'm into. Melt and melt it. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar, a lot of sugar. Well, I'm going to go eat right now. I'm trying to think of doing this podcast. What, if it will lead to a healthy or unhealthy meal, like just talking about all this, will I feel like, man, you should eat healthy after all that? Or will I go, let's go down a dark cave right now? I think it will only lead to bad things. It's usually the latter. Yeah, unfortunately. Judd, thank you so much for making time for us. Before you go, what we like to do on the show is give a closing thought and a fork score for the chain. Do you want to give us a closing thought on this week's chain, Umami Burger,

and then a rating from zero to five forks? Zero to five forks. I will say, recently, upon ordering it into my office, I have reignited my love affair with Umami Burger. I hadn't had it in a while. I loved it. It's impossible product, and I've been having it at least once a week. I'm going to give it a four and a half out of five for a great lunchtime order for me. Pure satisfaction. Now, is most of that for the chocolate shake? Maybe, but still, I'm always happy when I'm done, and I have convinced myself it's all healthy. Wow. Four forks, two times. Very good score from our guest, Judd Apatow. Judd, thanks so much for joining us, and you'd like to plug it this time.

I'd like to plug just kindness, just the world being kind to each other. You know, that's my plug. I love that. There you go. Spread some of that around. Do you know what? I think it's going to start here with Doughboys. I think people will hear this. And Yellowstone, and the new season of Yellowstone. I mean, I'm not a part of it, but man, it is, I think it's the best season so far. Wow. Check it out. If you can't be nice, watch Yellowstone. All right, Wags. Here we go. I'm going to give you my score for Umami Burger. The drink was good. You know, like I said, my mom enjoyed it, and I felt bad that maybe we're

being a little too tough on Umami Burger. I don't know. Maybe we deserve to be a little, you know, maybe Judd's message of being nice is right, and we're being a little too hard and also, I think you're going to talk about this when you get to your fork score, but you're changing the view between you and I, and it's horrible. Sorry. The view of the stream yard, you were doing close-ups of both of us, and we look like shit. Well, Judd left the call, and so it's like, we've just got the two of us here, so I like, should I switch from group layout to crop layout? And that's very up close. Like, we're getting a lot of both of our heads. Just leave it as is.

That's a lot of Mitch, a lot of Weigher. It looks horrible. I mean, it's mostly Mitch, honestly. Yeah, it's just my head. My head doesn't even fit in the screen. Somehow your head is on my screen as well. I don't know how that happened. Wags, my mom enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. The Sunnyside Burger was just a little too much, Ungapachka. I kind of wish I got that truffle burger because I do think that they do truffle stuff there. The fries were good. The cheesy tots were good, but not the best they've ever been. I wish that they were a little bit more cheesy. I don't know if this is a mass production thing. I mean, this chain is really, this to me is like chain zero. It's like the chain that like,

I mean, obviously this happened with every fast food restaurant or whatever, but it sounds like you're comparing it to patient zero, which is, that's what I was. Okay. But seeing it, seeing like a fancy burger place, then explode and then become like nationwide and now worldwide chain is weird and the quality dipped. There was no doubt about it. I agree with you on the sauces that the sausage is, the sausage is, the sausage, not the sausage. The sauces come packaged and like put them in a fucking little cup or something. You know what I mean? Like it just doesn't, when you, when you got the upcharge, like you're saying, but anyways, we liked those. We liked those truffle fries. We liked the cheesy

tots and my mom liked the onion rings. I liked the onion rings. The sauces were right. That classic sauce is good. The barbecue is fine. The truffle ketchup is good. The Korean barbecue burger, the K, the K-town burger, pretty good. It just, it was like a little too much. The one we liked the most was the one they kept it simple. We really enjoyed it. The cocktail was great. The lemonade was bad. So a little like back and forth. And then the cake was like a big nice hunk of chocolate cake. Couldn't go wrong. Overall, it was better than it's been in the past. And also at the same time, like I'm not blown away, but my expect, my expectations should be lower on a chain like this now. I feel like, right? Like, like, what am I expecting from this place?

But then that brings into like, what is this place and what is it trying to do? And I think they're trying to make good burgers. And I think they're trying to be like a step above these other fast food places. And they, it kind of is, it kind of works. But it's not golden plate club territory to me. I'm going to go, I'm going to go 3.754. Still good. It was good. And I'm being nicer to it now. But I don't know, just, it just, it's just a strange one, perplexing place. Yeah, it's an interesting one. I do want to shout someone out who emailed us back in 2019. And, and that's Dan McNamara, who is at the time, I don't know if he still is a director of operations of the Umami restaurant group. He sent us a couple of very nice emails about the

show. And this isn't why we're being nice to the restaurant. It's just like we had, we had a better experience this time. But, but he did seem to like they, he like that the tone I got from this, I won't read these emails was just kind of like that they were working on addressing their menu and they brought in a new chef, chef Nate Appelman at one point. And I'm not sure if if an Appleman is still chef Appleman is still there. I'm not sure if Dan McNamara is still there, but they certainly did some reworking in the menu at some point. And I this the workers were great. They were dead. The restaurant was definitely understaffed. I mean, and that's just like, that's industry wide right now. Like they, I felt bad for this, the, the, the, you know, it

seemed like two workers on the floor trying to facilitate, you know, both everyone dining in and then all the, the to go orders, which seemed ample. But I did, but I had a nice experience that the servers were great. I thought the food was, was pretty good. I do like how they, they do a lot to try to accommodate people who are eating vegetarian or plant based. And that and the burgers, the burgers work like those impossible burgers there do work that way. They work, they work well. No, yeah. You know, you load it up with caramelized onions and provolone. I mean, that's, that's a, that's a good pairing for that plant based patty. And I had a, had a nice weird old man sit next to me real, real goes to Nick Weigar

future dining in by himself at a chain restaurant. It really was, he was there to close his loop. So, but I snuck out of there. He just looked at you and said, I know you'll, I know you'll close the loop. It's fine. I had a nice time and I'm going to say that, boy, I think I might be in the hand holding club with you, Mitch, and say three forks three times. I think this is the, I think this is, this is exactly as you, as you articulated it. This is just outside the Golden Play Club, but it is a nice experience. I wish it was a little bit more consistent, but it does some things quite well. Maybe it will be the comeback kid. Maybe we'll get back into the Golden Play Club. Yes. Maybe it's, maybe it's working its way back. Maybe it's

working its way back. Was, is that a Judd movie comeback kid? No. No. I thought that's why you were smiling. I didn't, I didn't know if it was or not. So I didn't know that. Hey, let's get him back in here and let's ask him. Hey, Judd, is that, is the comeback kid one of your movies? Yeah. He's shaking his head now. Oh, wait. Oh, so he shook his head no and then said, yeah, that was weird. So we're not really an answer. Why someone was being trained. The wait staff was great and someone was being trained during our, I think they saw me come in and they're like, might as well train them on this guy. Yeah. This guy is going to do the double black diamonds right off. They did, they did, when our burgers came out, they did pull a table over

to add to my, me and my mom's single table. The one by the grove, like, well, because we had so much food. The one by the grove, a very, very interesting, like kind of hard to tell what they're trying to do in there. Kind of felt like the max from saved by the bell. It was like a weird, it's a weird vibe in there. I like truly don't, don't know where they're going, but you know what, not a, not a awful experience. We've had way worse. It's, and you know what, I would even say good. So yeah, I had a good time. Good job. Umami, you're working your way back up. Yeah. I'm sure I'm, Hey, maybe by the time we get to Umami burger for when we cover this chain for the fourth time in what, 2024 or whatever, uh, we'll, uh, they'll finally get in the golden

plate club. We'll, we'll just have to find out. Well, yeah. Well, like that does it for you, mommy burger. Aren't you supposed to say this? I mean, yeah. Are you okay today? I'm doing great. Kind of question is that you're zoning out. Yeah. I'm a little, I'm a little sleepy. We're recording in the evening. We know we normally record during the day. Uh, it's five 30. I'm ready for bed. Look, I'm going to get some shut eye and we'll be back with more dough boys. Oh, wow. Hey, you be craving fresh, delicious, easy meals, try wild grain and get their bake from frozen sourdough breads, fresh pastas and artisanal pastries delivered right to your door. That's

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and she's one of the funniest people around. And the whole cast is great. Gillian is such a great actor and amazing. And people should check it out. And I was very, I told Judd this, but I was very honored and very happy to be a part of it. And it was a great time doing it. And he was on Andrew Santino's podcast and they were talking about the show a little bit and gave it a shout out. So I appreciate that. And it was very nice to hear. So Whiskey Ginger is the podcast. Right. Yes. Andrew Santino's podcast. And Mitch, I know Love was big for you, but I think I got something even bigger. Yeah. I've chosen a pie and you must divine a series of clues to guess what it is. If you get it right, I'll buy you a pie.

But if not, you go home empty stomach. It's time for pie in the sky. Pie pie, which one is in the sky? Baked a pastry that was tasty, but a mystery, which kind? And Mitch alone, given it his best try, guessing this will be the type of this pie. This will be the type of this pie. So Mitch, I've got a series of... So, okay, we know the fucking rules. It's just... A series of increasingly obvious clues. Yeah, it's just you. You can be against yourself. You're getting all four clues. Emma left. My mom isn't even here. My mom is in town and she's at Target. I called my mom and she's like, I'm in Target. Sorry. She's not gonna come.

I mean, she made the right move. I'd rather be at Target than be recording this. So I get it. Can I win? Why? It's bombshell. Palmerston coming to a close. We should clarify when you mentioned that that you're not moving out of LA, as some people might think. Some people might hear that and they'd be like, okay, Mitch is gonna go to... He's gonna go back to Quincy Mass, which would be a completely fine thing to do, but you are moving, it looks like, to another place here in the greater Los Angeles area. That's right. That's right. So you're staying local. I'm staying local. You and I still will not see each other in person.

We will not. And Wags, you know what? There'll be more record... It's not... This isn't the last record, but Judd asked directly, so I spilled the beans. Yes. We're gonna put a plaque in front of Palmerston. That's the plan. That's right. Yes. We're gonna... Original Home of Doe Boys and a Birthplace of You song. I've talked to the landlord. They're gonna allow it. Yeah. They're on board. It's gonna be great. People will be like going to the Adams mansion in Quincy Mass. I love it. What a pull, Wags. You know what? We'll have a close-up with Palmerston.

We'll sing Green Day's time of your life or something. It will happen. Mitch, here's how this will work. You'll take... Well, you won't take turns. You alone will try to solve increasingly obvious clues. We'll see how quickly you can get this. Now, normally, there's a lifeline for Ask Emma, but Emma's not here. And there also is normally an eye test lifeline. And you know what? That one's still available. If you want to take the eye test, I will share a close-up photo of the pie. Now, is there a way for me to not win? I think if you take... If there are all four clues you get through and you somehow don't get it,

then yeah, that has to count as a loss. I'm not sure what else to say. So yeah, if you... And I think it would be pretty tough for you to not get this. No, it's usually very dominezy. Well, by the time the last... Well, okay. Calm down. Not easy to come up with the clues. I have to write them for the sketch. It's oftentimes... By the time we get to the end, rather, it's pretty straightforward what we're actually looking at. So... Yeah. Yeah, I mean like third clue. Well, yeah, but there's four clues, so it should be by that point.

All right. Well, calm down. I feel like you're critiquing the game. It's a good game. All right. First up, Robert De Niro has directed two films, a bronx tail, and a clue to this pie. A bronx tail and a clue to this pie. Yes. Shit. What's the other movie that De Niro directed? Robert De Niro has directed two films, a bronx tail, and a clue to this pie. Hmm. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Wigs. Wow. Okay. So that's one strike. I don't know. Yeah. That's one strike. Grape pie.

Your guess is grape pie. So you think that Robert De Niro directed a film with grape in the title? Yeah. Like what's eating Gilbert grape, I guess? I guess that's not a terrible guess. That's a movie. The Grape Escape. Well, okay, that's not a movie, so that's not as good of a guess. Grape the Wrath. Okay. I mean, yeah, he could have done a Grape the Wrath remake. He did not, though. No, you're not right. It is not grape pie. Also, not a pie. So that's another issue with that guess. Not a movie, not a pie. All right. All right. Let's keep going here. Okay. Next clue. Next clue. And behind this guy. This pie is British in origin, not German, though its name evokes an animal from Deutschland.

Hmm. I wanted to say shepherd pie, but it's not shepherd's pie. Shepherd's pie. Mitch, you have one pie in the sky. Wow. Shepherd's pie? Why did you not think it could be shepherd's pie? It's shepherd's pie. The good, is it the Good Shepherd? Is that the other movie that he directed? The Good Shepherd is his film with Matt Damon. I thought if I said Matt Damon, it would tip it off too much. Yeah, probably would have. Yeah, but yeah. The Good Shepherd, I forgot about the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd, his CIA movie,

directed the Bronx Tale, a Bronx Tale 30 years go by, he directs another movie and that's it. Now he's in the war with grandpa or whatever. Wow, war with grandpa. Good for him. Yeah. He's doing all right. The third clue, I think you definitely would have gotten it by this one. If you like your pie's savory, this pie is not bad. I maybe would have said lamb pie or mutton pie or something. All right, so I guess we're good. We're stopped there. Hey, that was pie in the sky. Congratulations, Mitch. Next time I see you, I'll buy you a pie, which I imagine next time I'll see you will be in another city when we're on tour,

so maybe in Phoenix in January. But you know what? If there's a shepherd's pie somewhere, you got to buy it for me. Start tweeting that out now. They have a hand pie place. Cornish pasties there. Those are damn good. Well, you're only one of those when we get there. We'll check those out if our Phoenix show isn't canceled again, which might be. Why? I'm staying in LA for the holidays. Come on. It's true. I don't believe it. It's happening. I'll believe it when I see it. I don't think you will.

I think you're going back to Quincy. I'm staying in LA for the holidays. You're not staying in LA for the holidays. I am. I'm staying here. You said holidays. You mean Thanksgiving? Yeah. You mean Christmas? Yeah. New Year's. You mean New Year's. That's right. The big three. The big three? You're going to be here for all of those? I'm staying here for all three. Yeah. I'll believe it when I see it. That's right.

Wait, hold on. Is your mom also going to be out here for the holidays? Yeah. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? She won't be here for New Year's. Just like a restaurant value feedback. Let's open up the feedback. And hey, we have a voicemail today. Let me go ahead and share this. A Christmas in Hollywood. Merry Christmas, dude. Whoa, Bart. Merry Christmas, dude. Whoa, Moe. Merry Christmas, dude. Whoa, Homer.

Season one, Homer. All the Hollywood stars are here. And look, there's Appu. Hi, Appu. He's waving back. Yeah. All right, let's listen to this voicemail. Hey, dope boys. This is Katie from Long Beach, California. I was just calling to ask, since the holiday season is upon us, what is your most ideal holiday plate? I would say mine would be turkey, stuffing, gravy, the jelly cranberry sauce, green bean

casserole, and probably something else I'm forgetting. But I would love to know what your holiday plate consists of. Cheers to the burger brigade. Bye. Love you. Fuck that shit. Hell yeah. From Long Beach, too. How about that? It's very funny to just hear someone like, what plate would you have at the holidays? Mine's this, and then just kind of she's zoned out. She lost interest in the call. She's like, in something else. That's very SoCal energy. You see it from me from time to time. You just lose interest in whatever's going on. The weather's too nice.

That's a hot hell hole today. It is way too hot for November. Yeah, the climate change is awful. What did I say? I myself would make a turkey plate. You know, last year we did have a, what do we have? What's the corned beef? No, not corned beef. We had like a roast. Are you describing a protein, a side dish? A roast beef. Like a roast beef. Okay. What do you get at Tamo Shantar? Which we're going to have dinner with? We're going to have dinner at Tamo Shantar together soon. Wow, that'll be fun. The, yeah, it's a fucking asshole. No, that will be fun.

Sounded sarcastic. I wasn't ready to be sarcastic. What is that called? That's a prime rib. Prime rib. Oh yeah, like a prime rib, sure. Prime rib is damn good. That's like a good damn. It's an indulgence, yeah. But I don't know. I love it. There's some people out there. This is kind of like, it's the pie versus cake sort of thing. You know what I mean? It's that sort of thing of like, come on, that fight should end. We can like pie, you can like cake. Stop the fights. And for me, it's the same thing with turkey. Like a turkey dinner is good. Yeah, I'm, I think I'm on board with a, like for, for, for, if we're talking because we're here

in the, in December now. This episode's coming out in December. And I think if we're talking about a Christmas dinner, I mean, turkey is, I think I do want turkey, although I always associate ham with, with, with, with December. I feel like the Christmas meal in our extended family's household, like the difference between that and Thanksgiving is the presence of a ham. I feel like there's a big old ham. And so I always think of having a plate full of ham, which I do like, Mitch. I know you're a ham skeptic. I'm, look, I'm not going to, I'm not going to yuck your yum. Why? Cause I, I don't, I think that that's fine to be a, to be a ham man. Yeah.

Hell, that means there's two hams at the table if you ask me. Hey, low blow. Yeah. You know, you know, Nick is yucking it up with his family and friends. We're all sitting quietly and eating. No eye contact. I feel like I text your dad more than you do. Yeah. He likes you. The, so, but I also, as far as a thing, as, as far as a December plate, like, or a Christmas plate, I associate stuffing less with it, even though I like stuffing. I mean, hey, you know what, mashed potatoes are great, but if I can get some scallop potatoes, I feel like that's the right context for some scallop potatoes. And that's a fun side. I agree with Katie on the green bean casserole. That's always a lot of fun.

And I look, I think I always associate with going to my grandma's house is she would have those little cups of carnation like ice cream that were like, they were like the, they were like stealth-contained little cups with a little shitty wooden spoon and they had like either strawberry or chocolate sauce in it with vanilla ice cream. And I do, I had those carnation cups. I do really, really like and I do really associate with the holidays, obviously a size of pie or something like that. But that's a, that's a nice little treat, a little ice cream novelty. Yeah. Pie, cake and ice cream. I don't, you know, whichever one you want, getting, getting, getting, getting, you know what, hell, get all three of them. But for a plate,

I do like turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing, you know, some, some corn or peas or whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever the greens you're getting in there. Why, this is a picture of my plate last year and it was fantastic. There's the prime rib, mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, couple rolls, couple dinner rolls. Now you described it as green bean casserole, but that looked like broccoli florets. There was broccoli florets next to the green bean casserole. Wow. And Mitch looks like he got something else on there and I don't know if that's a biscuit or a dinner roll, but that's a thing that, that's a big thing for me is like that big old

dinner roll. Yeah. I love a dinner roll or some cornbread. Yeah. Man, you know, we didn't talk about the bread basket on the Capitol Grill episode. That was a great bread basket. It's a great, it is a great bread. Bread basket. It was a great bread basket. Well, I guess it is. We loved it. And there's salted butter. You get the salted butter and there's like a bunch of different, everything. It was like, how many different types of bread? Four? Four different types of bread. Each of them was good. Each one was good. We should have dedicated more time. We should have gotten Nagin's thoughts on the, the bread basket because it was a very, very high quality bread basket. Yeah. You had like a

crispy wafer. You had a more classic roll. You had a, there was a, there was like an onion, like Gruyere bread that I thought was delectable. And then there was a big old brown bread. Yeah. Great selection. One was like an everything bread, did you say? Right? Like a, that was, yeah. The roll had kind of like an everything seasoning on it. It was quite good. I feel like the holidays, that is what it, the holidays reminds me of dipping bread into mashed potatoes. Like that's what I want to do. I want to dip a roll into mashed potatoes and gravy. That's what I want. Just starch on starch. Yeah. It's so fun. I don't know what I'm going to do for a veggie meal. I honestly, I'm not sure.

Yeah. It's the, it's the, the emission of a protein. It becomes a little bit tricky. I'll figure something out. I guess I could have some mac and cheese or something. Are you going to leave out, are you going to leave for Santa crumbled up impossible meat? What the fuck is this? If you have a question or comment about the world of Shane restaurants, you can email us at dopeboyspodcast at gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at 830 Godot. That is 830 463 6844. And hey, hit us up with your holiday plates. Hashtag holiday plate on social media. Well, you can really tell the year is coming to a close.

Hashtag holiday plate. Yes. Are you going to punch up? No. Hashtag jolly day plate. The plate that will make you jolly. Hashtag ho, ho, hungry. Okay. Hashtag ho, ho, hungry. Should it be, should it be ho, ho, hungry? Yeah. Ho, ho, hungry. Okay. Hashtag ho, ho, hungry. Hashtag holiday plate. This is how we're closing out the Judd, shall we tell episode? He's not going to listen to this. Hit us up on social media. Let us know your holiday plates. And again, the double is double or weekly bonus episode. You can join the golden or platinum

play club at patreon.com slash dough boys if you want even more. And Mitch, that'll do it for this episode of dough boys. Wow. Until next time, I'm Nick Liger. Happy eating. See ya. Coming soon on dough boys. You tell anybody else, oh, he ate my hot dog. They'll say, so it was eight years ago. What's your problem? But you weren't there. You weren't in the moment. This is Manbite Stop, a dough investigation podcast from dough boys media. Years of vilification for something I do not need to be vilified for. Years.