Dr. Insanity - A Detective Realizes The Cop Is Actually The Murderer
Episode Date: December 13, 2025What happens When Evil Cops Try To Get Away With Murder? Thank you to RedTreeCrime for giving us permission to use the first interrogation: / @redtreecrime Subscribe to them!People mention...edOne personStephanie Lazarus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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While cops are here to help
and protect citizens, what
happens when they're actually
secret killers in disguise?
What you're killed? Yeah, right now I ain't charged
with murder. And it is killers.
Here are three
examples of when cops try to get away
with murder, starting with the
horrifying case of William Talley.
On the 11th of May, 2019,
police received a worrying
phone call explaining that former
police sergeant William Talley had been
in an argument with his girlfriend, Kelly Levinson.
At some point during the...
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The fight, he fired gunshots at her.
William quickly left the scene,
stealing Kelly's truck,
but was worried he may have done more damage
than he realized.
So I don't know anything since then.
So nobody's here that's been injured?
No, that's what I told him when I called.
He told me that he wasn't killed her.
The police had to immediately
treat this like a crime scene and decided to search the house to ensure Kelly's safety.
There was one thing on the officer's minds, and they were all silently pleading that they
wouldn't find her dead.
There's a dog in there.
Yep, she's right there.
Sorry to you, man.
Upon entering the house, evidence of some kind of physical altercation was scattered throughout.
As they entered the kitchen though, they would find Kelly's dead body lying on the ground.
With all the evidence the police had, it wasn't difficult for them to determine their main suspect, but catching him was another matter.
They knew that William had received both police and SWAT training, so he'd be difficult to catch.
However, all of a sudden, police received a phone call informing them William had gotten into a car crash.
The cops rushed to the hospital where they found their number one suspect,
Expect waiting for them, bruised and
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Once William was discharged from the hospital, he was immediately brought to an interrogation
room where the investigation would truly begin.
Can I ask what my charges are?
Yeah, right now you charge with murder.
You're charged with violation of the office and you're charged with with, um, who?
of a fire on the commission of crime.
Who?
Who?
That's what we're hoping you can tell us.
Maybe once we start talking about it a little bit.
Um...
William mentions two names here, Becky and Kelly.
William mentions two names here, Becky and Kelly.
Of course, we know Kelly to be his girlfriend,
but William was actually married to another woman named Rebecca Talley who he'd been cheating on.
William obviously appears dazed and confused, but whether...
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So this is just an act or not is another question.
He'd spent multiple days in the hospital and was just charged after being medically cleared.
So it's unlikely he'd still be this out of it.
Regardless, it at least seems to be keeping him calm.
At least for now.
And you can sign this.
Nobody's talking with me about them.
Well, we're going to get to that.
That's what we're hoping to get to.
No, I'm not talking until somebody talks to me.
I can tell you who if we can get started.
started there and it is killer.
No.
Do that.
No!
No!
Come on.
Talley.
Tally.
Neil.
Neil.
Nearly.
No!
No!
No!
William really is this distraught over Kelly's death, but he was completely unaware of what he was
doing at the time. So it seems more likely that he's actually just using this as a guise to vent
and scream about how his life is pretty much finished and over a small argument with his mistress.
He's also likely frustrated that he got caught so easily. Remember, this is a man with SWAT
and police training. He knows how to evade the cops, but almost instantly after going on the run,
His plans were shut down in an incredibly unpredictable way.
William manages to calm down while the detective talks to him,
but only for a few short seconds.
You don't need to be nasty.
Bill.
No.
Stop, dude.
Relax.
It's a stop.
It's all the message is like to do.
If you don't want to talk to us, that's fine.
But let's not, let's not do this, okay?
Okay?
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Let's not do this.
Who else to hurt?
Right now you're hurting yourself.
Don't care about me.
Well...
There's no one else.
I keep there when people whisper.
Or whispers it.
Okay.
What whispering do you hear?
No, tell me.
Tell me the truth.
Okay.
There's no one else hurt.
Okay.
What you're watching is a man who knows, without a doubt,
that he's guilty, doing everything he can.
can to try and find a way out. He's panicking and the cops were probably extremely relieved
when William finally asked for a lawyer and put an end to this dramatic interrogation. However,
this obviously didn't help him at all, as the detectives already had all the evidence they
needed to convict him, and William's Halle was sentenced to life behind bars. Despite William
being a local cop and even knowing some of the officers involved, this case was
handled perfectly. A stark contrast to that of Matthew Boynton, whose case was so weird and
corrupt that the cops ended up investigating a shooting that never even happened.
You know you can't give a sworn statement to lie on it. Why would you do that, Matthew?
On the 15th of April 2016, police found Jessica Boynton hitting in the closet of her home
with a gunshot wound to the head and a police issued firearm in her hand. The county sheriff
reportedly ruled her dead at the scene, but there was a problem.
Jessica was neither dead nor shot.
After she was rushed to the hospital, the ER found no entrance wounds or bullets.
Instead, they found evidence of a blood force attack to the back of her head.
This case is already incredibly confusing, but what's worse is that the police's number one suspect, Matthew Boynton, told cops that he received...
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Text from Jessica saying she was about to commit suicide.
After rushing home, he heard two gunshots coming from the house and called the police.
Matthew was taken to the police station and interrogated, but was caught lying about a vital piece of evidence.
This is where we joined the detectives as they tried to unwrap this baffling web of lies.
Do you recognize that bag?
Yes, that bag that Jessica let me use to put all my gym stuff in when we used to be together.
Okay.
So when's the last time you saw that bag?
It's been a long time.
Like I said, when I used to work out at, there's two gems in Thomaston, I don't remember the name of it,
I used that one, and I had a great Nike bag I used to work out in.
So I interchange my stuff like protein drinks, powder shakes, like pre-workout,
workout shorts, pants, shoes, whatever.
I put it in that bag in my Nike bag.
Suspects who aren't telling the truth tend to over-explain as they feel they have something to prove to detectives.
If they can give lots of information over, they think it'll convince the detective that they're not lying,
as they couldn't possibly make all of that up.
However, in actuality, suspects telling the truth will give a more instinctual, simplified answer to the question
because they don't have to think about it as much.
Bear that in mind as the interview continues.
When's the last time you saw my bag?
I mean, it's been on home.
I don't know the exact date.
I don't know.
thing, my stepdad, he had it in the, thing, the white trailer, and that's been a while.
And he brought it, but I haven't been through it or anything.
Put it in my storage thing in my house, which is like when you're pulling the driveway.
It's a little storage thing on the right.
You open the door and it's got all my stuff in there.
I declared that some of it out recently.
That was tossed in there, but, I mean, it was in there with a bunch of my stuff,
like a brown tub.
I used to keep my old patrol car with gym stuff in it and work stuff.
Remember, that answer was given in response to the question,
when was the last time you saw this bag?
Something that could have been answered in a single sentence.
The detectives already knew that Matthew was lying about this bag
as that's the whole reason he was brought to this second interrogation.
But now they're 100% sure he's hiding something
and they're about to call him out on it.
All right, Matthew, I've known you a long time.
When you all were in the process of moving
and you moved into the house that you're at now, your residence.
Did you not sit his bag?
Yes, sir.
in my storage room in the garage.
Now, why would I be holding a picture of this bag?
I guess because Jessica wrote it in to you.
Why would Jessica have it if you had it at your house?
I don't know.
I guess somebody got it from my garage in my shed.
Who would have got it?
Um, there's a couple of people on that.
All right.
Exactly who.
The bag was completely filled with female clothes.
This is one photo of it.
That's not yours.
No.
The whole thing might not seem like a big deal, but it's actually the root of a much bigger problem.
This bag, along with everything in it, belonged to Jessica.
So when it was discovered in Matthew's possession, after he told police that he'd handed
all of her belongings over, it confirmed that he had been lying under oath.
Again, a small issue at first, but now that the detectives know he's comfortable lying
about this, they know that almost every piece of information he's given them could be completely
untrue.
The bag was turned into us.
We have possession of the bag.
We have evidence that said that came out of your storage room.
Is that true?
Yes, sir.
Is there anything you'd like to say?
No, sir.
Do you believe that statement would be accurate and true?
Not now.
Did you believe it then?
No, sir.
Matthew has now essentially confessed to stealing the bag of Jessica's belongings and lying.
and lying under oath.
There is the question of why he did this, but we haven't even gotten started on the assault part of the case.
Why Jessica was found unconscious in their closet after allegedly texting Matthew she was going to shoot herself.
As it turns out, though, the police would also never move on to that part of the case, and it remained completely unanswered.
Matthew was charged with stealing and lying under oath, and after being placed on administrative leave, he resigned from the fore.
He resigned from the force, but went completely uncharged for whatever happened on the night of April 15th.
Many people have been left wondering why that may be, but the most obvious answer lies in police corruption.
And the facts that the county sheriff just so happened to be Matthew's granddad,
the same sheriff who lied by pronouncing Jessica dead at the scene.
What's worse is that Jessica's head trauma left her without any memory of that night,
so it's likely this case will remain unsolved forever.
But people thought the same about the murder of Sherry Resmussen,
which lay unsolved for 23 years,
before new information revealed that the culprit was actually one of the police force's best detectives.
Now you're accusing me of this? Is that what you're saying?
After decades of investigations, DNA evidence revealed that Stephanie was very likely the culprit of a murder committed in 1986.
Because of the high-stakes nature of the case, the detectives made sure to meticulously plan this interrogation.
Stephanie was a really successful detective herself,
and she had recently received recommendations for her good work on a theft case.
So the detectives used this, and brought her in under the guise that they needed help with a case.
I don't want to talk about this in the squadron, because I don't know who people are listening.
And if we go to my side, everybody's always wondering what everybody else is doing.
Okay.
An interrogation room is a strange place for such a conversation to take place,
So to put her mind at ease, detectives told her this was the place they'd least be likely to be overheard,
as the case details were strictly confidential. Sherry Rasmussen's body had been found at her home
after being shot three times. At the time, police suspected the murder was a result of a burglary
gone wrong, but the case went cold when they couldn't identify the suspect. However, 23 years later,
when revisiting the case, detectives found evidence that led them towards Stephanie, a girl who had been trapped
in a love triangle with Sherry and her husband, John Rutton.
So the detectives decided to bring up John's name to see how she'd react.
Are you guys friends?
Yeah, we're very close friends.
Yeah.
I mean, what's this all about?
It's a case we're working on it involves John, and in there, there's notes and stuff that he knew you and stuff.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, good friends lived in the dorms for, I lived in the dorms for two years.
Was there any relationship or anything to develop between you guys?
Yeah, I mean, we dated.
You know, I mean, what's this all about?
Well, it's relating to his wife.
Both the detectives and Stephanie have tried to seem as friendly and relaxed as possible around each other.
But Stephanie is obviously starting to get very anxious at this point.
Even though the detectives gave a somewhat believable excuse,
she is now in an interrogation room faced by two detectives being questioned about a girl she supposedly murdered 20 years earlier.
Her breathing has become faster and her language is defensive,
and her movements have become more erratic.
And you're right.
I mean, if you guys are claiming that I'm a suspect, then, you know,
I got a problem with, you know, with that.
Okay.
Okay. So, you know, if you're, if you're doing this as an interrogation,
you're saying, hey, I'm a suspect, well, now I got a problem with,
you know, now you're accusing me of this.
Is that what you're, is that what you're saying?
Obviously, you know about all the DNA stuff and things of the nature that gets done on cases nowadays.
You know, if we asked you for a DNA swab, would you be willing to give us one?
Maybe.
Because now, now, now, I'm thinking I probably need to talk to a lawyer.
Stephanie chooses to provide DNA evidence hoping her willingness to help out would ultimately prove her innocence.
But, unfortunately for her, just five minutes later, the detective's decision.
decide they've heard enough and put her in cuffs.
Months later, after a long and arduous trial, a decision was made by the jury.
We the jury in above entitled action find the defendant, Stephanie Eileen Lazarus,
guilty of the crime of murder of Sherry Rasmussen.
We further find the murder was of the first degree.
After hiding it for 23 years, Stephanie Lazarus was finally found guilty of murder
and sentenced to 27 years behind bars.
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