Dr. Insanity - Family Discovers Missing Dad's Head Inside Garbage Bag

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Okay. There's on some part right here, they're saying. The truck, there must have backed up right here, right? Okay. Is that, okay. Back up, back up, please. We'll just put up. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Okay, back up, back up, back up. Back up, back up. Officers report to a seemingly routine traffic incident in Moses Lake Washington. What no officer on scene realizes is that this encounter would be the start of a terrifying investigation. investigation, leading to the most dark and twisted body cam footage we've ever shown on this channel. But if you want justice, I already know who did it. Listen to me, please. Get out of your car and come get my kid. Put it in cuss right now.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Don't say anything right now. We don't know. Man, did you do it? Look at me. Man, did you do it? It's an early Sunday afternoon on November 3rd when officers patrolling downtown Moses Lake identify a truck matching a stolen vehicle report logged just hour. logged just hours earlier. Multiple police units have been dispatched, more than typically assigned to a stolen vehicle report. Almost as if, from the very start, police somehow knew this vehicle theft report would soon unravel into something much worse. One, forty-five night. We're slow rolled in. Barking out quarter house.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Inside the vehicle is 27-year-old professional athlete Isaiah Thomas, the former A-star wide receiver for Eastern Oregon University who is currently armed with a weapon. Whoa. Hey, you go and got all the car. Got a truck, please. Here's what happened. The truck was reported, has stolen. Who's truck is this?
Starting point is 00:02:08 You talk to me, man. It's my truck. It's your truck. Okay, do you have your ID, registration? Just go ahead and turn it off, please. I apologize if it's your truck, but it wasn't registered in your name, man. Yeah, I know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:27 There's ammunition in the front of front seat. Okay. Okay. Okay. I need to chill out, bro. Everything don't be okay. All right, man. Just come out and step by the car. The ammunition on the passenger seat suggests that Isaiah might be carrying a weapon. The officer quickly realizes that this encounter could escalate at any moment, so they swiftly order him out of the vehicle only to uncover something interesting about his identity. What up, Greg?
Starting point is 00:02:56 What's up, man? Avarado. Yeah, how you doing, Isaiah? Another day. Another day. Okay, don't put your pen. Don't reach one. No, no, bro. Okay, make sure you don't have any weapons on you, okay?
Starting point is 00:03:08 I do got a weapon on me. What do you have? I think I got a knife right here. You have a knife? You have a knife? This one? That's it? Okay. I take a seat for me.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Okay. It's ridiculous how bad I need one, no? I hear you. You knew you. Yeah, someone's in high school with him. He was a star-ass thing, right? Star athlete, man. It was.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Then he started talking and it was kind of weird. Yeah, but... It turns out Officer Alvarado and Isaiah went to high school together, and Alvarado recalls Isaiah as a standout football player who went on to compete at the college level. But now in front of him was a disoriented young man, barely able to focus and answer their questions in a stolen vehicle. A stark contrast to the athlete Alvarado once knew. once knew. In reality, there is a very good reason for Isaiah's odd behavior, one that Officer Alvarado will soon understand, as within minutes, Isaiah and his family will be at
Starting point is 00:04:16 the center of a murder investigation, with only one question left unsolved. For now, officers decide to contact Isaiah's family to inform them of his recent actions and detainment. They quickly get his family contact details and call his mother, 47-year-old, Cassie Thomas, however, the information Cassie provides shifts the course of the investigation in an unexpected way. Hello, this is Alvarado with the Mosaic Police Department. I'm trying to reach Cassie. This is she? Hey, do you have a son, Isaiah? Yes, I do. We had a call earlier about him being in someone else's vehicle. He's in a truck now, a gray Chevy Silverado. Okay. We're trying to figure out if this is his truck or not, because he's a car.
Starting point is 00:05:05 because he's saying it is, but the person that called about him said that he stole the truck from another neighbor. Now, that's his, his and his grandfathers. Okay, who's his grandpa, if you don't let me ask? Richard. Richard? Yeah, he probably let him borrow it. He's staying with his grandfather right now. What's the address?
Starting point is 00:05:27 430 Dale. Yep, that's where the truck was taken. Okay, that's weird. Yeah, no, that clarifies something, because we thought potentially this truck might have been stolen, so we were trying to figure it out. No, I'm sorry about that. No, no, no worries. At this point, Officer Alvarado begins to realize the mistake they've made.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Now it makes sense why Isaiah immediately asked for a lawyer. He was being accused of something he clearly didn't do. As Officer Alvarado continues speaking with Isaiah's mom, he decides to ask about something that's been worrying him Since the very moment, Isaiah stepped out of the truck. I went to high school with Isaiah. He wasn't never really like this. Is everything okay?
Starting point is 00:06:12 Uh, it'd be fine. Okay. He just seemed a little bit off to me when he was talking. Well, probably because he's being accused of something you didn't do. So. It's his grandpa's truck. Yeah, he lives at 4.30, Dale. But thank you for answering my phone calls and my questions.
Starting point is 00:06:32 It actually helps out a lot. Okay. All right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Bye. Officer Alvarado doesn't know it yet, but his suspicion that something is very wrong with Isaiah isn't far from the truth. Still, with no evidence tying Isaiah to a crime, they have no choice but to release him. But as he walks away, Officer Alvarado follows him, hoping to reconnect with his old friend.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Let's walk over to the front of your truck, look. I just want to tell you something in there right now. I know you don't want to talk about this. It's cool. You don't have to. Okay. So you all right, man? You, you, like off the books, do you want to talk about anything? Because I'll turn off my camera right now. We can have a conversation, bro. Like, it's just like, we're at a time right now, bro. Yeah. There's a time in everybody's life, bro. Where they just need to, like, really reevaluate the, yeah. It's going on, you know? Yeah. If you need anything, please, don't hesitate to call. I'll sit down and have a conversation for you, bro. Sure. All right? Yeah, take care. To Avarado, it seems Isaiah wants to say something, but he just can't find the words. For now, Isaiah gets into his truck and drives off, unaware that this won't be the last time today he'll be accused of a crime. This much, can I help you?
Starting point is 00:07:57 Yeah, I was wondering if I could speak to somebody about a missing person? In Moses Lake? It's my father. Nobody's seen him. Yes, Moses Lake. Okay. And his first and last name? Richard.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Andrews. And what is his home address? Is it the 430 Dale? Correct. All right, Kelly, I've got this report started. I'm going to hand it over to the officers. I just need you to try to find a recent picture of him. And if you hear from him or anything changes before they contact you,
Starting point is 00:08:31 go ahead and give us a call back and let us know, okay? Okay. On the phone is Kelly Kirkendahl reporting that her father, 75-year-old Richard Andrews mysteriously vanished. Officers are sent to his address, and minutes later, they arrived to investigate. Hello. Well, I'm doing better than you guys. How's it going? How are you? Carmen. Carmen? Carmen? All right. Waiting for Sergeant Rodriguez are Carmen, Kelly, and Cassie, daughters of Richard Andrews, the missing elderly man. As he begins speaking to them, hoping to learn more about their father's disappearance, a familiar face steps out of the house.
Starting point is 00:09:12 So, we have no idea. The neighbor talked to my husband. This is my husband Mike. Hi, Mike. I'm sorry. He hasn't seen him in a day and a half or so. I haven't seen him longer than that, but his phone's been ringing. His sister's called. Nobody knows where he's at.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Okay. And is this normal? No. No. What's wrong? Okay. What's at? After.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Do you know where, is it your grandson? Yeah, my grandpa. Do you know where he's at? No, I have no clue where he's at. No. He didn't tell you anything where he was going. Did you see him leave? No.
Starting point is 00:09:46 So basically what I did see was him talking to somebody out here. He was kind of like parked a little farther out, like he pulled off to the side a little bit. They're talking in the window. I look down. He did tell me that he was going up to the res, but I just got confirmation from Greg, right? But he's not there, so I don't know. Which res? Uh, Calville.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Calville? Yeah. property up there, but we already put a phone call up there and they said nobody's up there. About what time was it when you saw him lost? I don't remember. Was it morning, afternoon night time? It was afternoon. Afternoon.
Starting point is 00:10:18 It was in like late afternoon. Okay. All right. While officers are surprised to be speaking with Isaiah and his mother Cassie for the second time that day, their priority right now is finding his grandfather, Richard. With the timeline now established and Isaiah believed to be the last person to be the last person to see Richard, Sergeant Rodriguez, turns his attention to him. But as their conversation unfolds, he begins to notice something strange about this family.
Starting point is 00:10:47 You said you saw him about a day and a half ago? And that would have been, so yesterday afternoon sometime or the day before? Yesterday, no, not yesterday. Was that day? A day and a half ago. So Friday, today's Sunday. Friday. So, yeah, bro.
Starting point is 00:11:01 So, no. So, no. When you saw him, what were you doing? What was going on with it? Right there smoking. Okay, and where was he? Right there, talking to that guy. And then I looked down, boom.
Starting point is 00:11:11 And then that was that. Okay. Was it weird for you that he wasn't here or anything like that? No. Okay. He'd be gone for weeks. Yeah. Because he has his property.
Starting point is 00:11:21 He'd be gone for weeks at a time, no one would be hearing from him. That's why he's tripping, why are we tripping? Yeah, right, y'all, y'all. But the only thing that's weird is that he left his wallet here. That's the only weird thing that got me. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:35 That's very strange to me. for him to be gone weeks at a time. But we know where he's at. Usually down at the day, I call them. What stands out to Rodriguez is how differently the family reacts to the disappearance of their relative. While Isaiah and his mother Cassie suggests that Richard's absence isn't especially unusual, with Isaiah even casually smoking weed, his daughter Kelly sees it very differently and appears genuinely concerned for her father in a way the other.
Starting point is 00:12:06 do not. That's when Isaiah's father, Anthony, arrives, bringing with him the breakthrough they've been waiting for. Yeah. You're talking about up there? Yeah, see. You need to go down to a shop and take some pictures down there. To me, it looks like there's something going on. Yeah, it looks like some burnt shit that's laid out there and some... Where's a shop? His shops down in the valley. You know where the motorcycle shop is? That's just, if he's not here, he's usually down there. Oh, I got to tell that something. Do you think something else is going on down there? No, no, no, no. I'm just...
Starting point is 00:12:36 saying that if he's not here he's down there no what i'm saying is that's something that was out there was look like there's some burnt-up shit out there that's near never been there i don't know the address what's carman's address one and a half ago bro why y'all keep all in no be good you're you're pissing me off too everybody pressing me like i got you're the you're the closest thing to to him. Okay, and I told you. All right, I'm not going to get. No, no need to get frustrated out.
Starting point is 00:13:08 I just keep you peeing myself. Would you be able to take one of my offices down there to where the shop is at? Yeah. Just so that way we know exactly what we're talking about. And so that way if he's there, that's great. Right. Do you remember what he was wearing, Isaiah? I cannot recall.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Because that's part of the report that I'm taking so I can enter it into the system. Okay, I know. I'm just letting you know. He's not clear. I think. Okay, but we leave that. No, those are in the house. So any, you remember any jewelry?
Starting point is 00:13:37 Jewelry. No. Let me, let me, let me talk to him. Thank you. Okay. You want to have him following him? Yeah, so, because we don't know the exact address. If you want to follow Anthony down to his shop down in Cascade Valley,
Starting point is 00:13:53 his cell phone's here, wallets, everything's here, dog's here, just whatever he had on his person and his pocket is all the. So, all right, thank you. Anthony and several other family members head to the shop with a deputy, while Sergeant Rodriguez stays behind to gather the remaining details. As he does so, he takes note of the family's statements so far, and what stands out is Anthony's frustration with Isaiah. It seems like the two of them know something the others don't, as the way Anthony questions his son sounds like he's accusing him of being involved with Richard's disappearance. Meanwhile, Isaiah is being defensive, claiming everyone is overreacting. His mother, on the other hand, remains calm, smiling, and at times, even answering questions that weren't directed at her.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Rodriguez notes the contrast in this family's behavior and steps away to drive to Richard's shop. But before he can go, Isaiah's mother would make a horrifying statement, one that would come back to haunt her. So I'll get this logged in, and then if you guys have anything, give me a call. Get out of your car and come get my kid. Put him in cuffs right now. Don't say anything right now. We don't know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:11 I'll call you. Let me know. Okay. Thank you. Those statements are coming from Isaiah's mother, Cassie, as she approaches the officer just out of frame. In a sudden shift, Cassie tells the sergeant to arrest her own son, catching him completely off guard.
Starting point is 00:15:30 Just moments ago, she hadn't seemed particularly concerned. Now she's adamant that Isaiah is guilty of something. It's a sharp change in behavior, one that leaves officers wondering if Cassie knows far more than she's letting on. For now, the sergeant doesn't fully understand what Cassie's implying, but in the next few minutes, her urgency will make a lot more sense. By now, Anthony is on his way to Richard's shop, just two miles from the house, with a patrol unit following closely behind. And as the first deputy pulls up to the shop, he notices several Other family members have also gathered.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Expecting to find a lead on Richard's whereabouts, they would instead uncover something no one was prepared to see. Lose us and start right here, they're saying. Truck, there wasn't a truck that must have backed up right here, that's there, right? Okay. Is that, okay, back up, back up, back up please, back up, back up please. I want to see, I want to make sure.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I want to make sure. Back up. I don't see anything. And you call it. Him, palm down. Oh my God. Okay, back up, back up, back up, back up. Okay, ma'am, can you come this way, please?
Starting point is 00:16:58 Ma'am, can you come this way, please? Ma'am, can you come this way, please? Man, 1-41, I need 1-06 to my location. Can you take her over there, please? Please. This is now a crime scene. Yes, I know. I'm trying to do it. I know.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I'll kill me. Saj, he's buried in the ground. He's, there's someone buried underneath the ground. Buried in a shallow grave in the front yard of his own shop lies the dead body of 75-year-old Richard Andrews. Richard's daughter, Kim, is the first to see him. She recognizes her father immediately. immediately, revealing part of his leg with the same jeans he always wore.
Starting point is 00:18:11 It's a horrifying discovery for them to make. Even the deputy is shaken and unable to control the situation on his own. But as he observes the family, something about it feels off. By the time he arrived, the family had already begun digging, and within moments of uncovering Richard's body, they started pointing fingers, fixating on the one person they're convinced is responsible. Moving right, I can't. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Do you want me to help you? No. He touched me. Okay. I knew this was going to happen. That was his son. My sister said it's at their house right now, did it. And the gun's probably on the bed.
Starting point is 00:18:56 It's a rifle that's laying in my mom's bench on the bed. He has mental illness. So we're having the county respond, okay? And their supervisor is going to come and and they're probably gonna set up a containment, okay? Please, I just ask that you guys try to cooperate as much. I can't make any promises. No, we're not leaving.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Okay, well, ma'am. I'm not coming in here right now. Is somebody over there, you're doing that little psychopath? Hold on. If you want to do what's best for. No, what I want to do right now, okay? I just need you guys, please don't, okay? I just need you guys to at least try to.
Starting point is 00:19:35 At least try to have some understanding, okay? And I want you guys to listen. To the officer's surprise, Kim doesn't hesitate to blame her nephew, Isaiah. Despite there being no direct evidence linking him to what happened here, shaken and unsure how to handle the situation, the deputy allows the family to remain at the crime scene even after the body is discovered. Then two minutes later, Sergeant Rodriguez finally arrives, stepping straight into the chaos.
Starting point is 00:20:04 He tries to regain control of the situation, but it doesn't take long before he loses his patience. Where are they at? He's under there. Okay, we didn't touch him. They didn't touch him when I was coming up here. Ma'am, let's get away, please, ma'am. Ma'am, we need a preserve, okay? Come on. Come on, we need to make sure that we do this, okay?
Starting point is 00:20:33 Here, I'm right here. I'm right here. Hello? Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Stand over here, please. And then it's like there's some stuff for in the whole.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Okay, we need some. We need everybody, please. We need everybody back, please, okay? Ma'am, we do need everybody out of here. If you want, we need to preserve this, okay? I get it, you're upset. But if you want justice. I already know who did it.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Listen to me. Please. I know you know. We need other things to make this work. work, please, please. Despite Kim's certainty, officers aren't yet convinced that Isaiah is their killer, because as they inspects the scene closer, something else stands out, something that starts to point to someone very different. Burnt debris is scattered across the grass, clear sign that something had been intentionally destroyed, but the cover-up goes even deeper.
Starting point is 00:21:30 The section of lawn where Richard was buried had been cut out, replaced, and even watered afterwards, an effort to make the yard appear completely untouched. For investigators, it's still unclear whether Richard was murdered here or only his body was dumped. To find out, they need to search his shop standing just a few feet away. Jared Thomas make yourself known. Come out with your hands up. Police, anybody in here? There's there.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Get your self-blown. Do you want to go right? You cover left? Yep. Go on bump up to that, go. Got it? Clear. Up ahead is Richard's shower.
Starting point is 00:22:21 And strangely, the deputy notices it appears to have been recently used, suggesting the killer may have been here only minutes earlier. Officers then continue clearing the rest of the shop, finding no signs of a struggle. Nothing to suggest Richard was killed here. So they shift their focus to securing a search warrant. securing a search warrant for his house. A search that would end very differently. As officers begin to regain control of the chaotic scene,
Starting point is 00:22:48 Richard's daughter Cassie arrives, the same woman who had told the sergeant earlier to arrest her son, Isaiah. Why she accused him before the body had even been discovered is now a question detectives need to answer. But first, they have to break the devastating news to her. Yeah, we can't, I know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I need to see.
Starting point is 00:23:10 No, we can't, we can't. We can't. I just need to see. Just go around that. That's going to be his, but the family members that was driving it. He hurt. Please.
Starting point is 00:23:30 So, no, no, you can go. Now you can't. Listen, listen, you can. I just gotta speak. No. No. Oh, my. Hey, Anthony.
Starting point is 00:23:41 We can't, we can't cross. Okay. I know it's not gonna go across the line. She just wants to look over the line. We want, she won't go past the line. I'll make sure. Look, look by the door. By the door.
Starting point is 00:23:52 By the door. Naturally, Cassius distraught, not only because her father is dead, but because she suspects her own son may be responsible. For now, officers continue securing the scene and prepare to send Richard's body for autopsy. But as they do, they begin to overhear the family frantically talking amongst themselves.
Starting point is 00:24:12 and what they're saying would suggest the situation is only escalating because someone else might be about to get hurt. Right, we have one that's confirmed in a shallow grave. Do not start talking, please. Don't say anything, just be quiet. Please, you know what's going on. It's over there already. I get it, but we need, I heard everybody, but we need,
Starting point is 00:24:45 I've heard everybody, but we need things to figure out. 106, Mac, we need units down at 430 Dale. Ma'am, please. We're going to have to leave the truck here for now. 29.75. Where am I supposed to go then? I just want you to walk that way, please. 145 back, unclear.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Hey, David. 106, Mac. I have the father heading down to 430 Dale in possible, The suspect is there and it might not be good. According to Carmen, Anthony is furious and already on his way back to the house, convinced his own son Isaiah is responsible. He's just seen the body of his father-in-law buried in the ground. So what he does next is completely unpredictable.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Multiple units are quickly sent to the house, racing to get there before Anthony confronts Isaiah. Minutes later, officers make it to the house just seconds ahead of Anthony, who is right behind them, along with the rest of the family, all demanding answers. Let me get a pint later. Nope, nope. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Stay back. Go back now. Did you, I see ya? No. I see ya. No. I need you guys to stay back, okay? Please.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Just to let's secure them in your car. Thomas. For asking for weapons, please. Yeah, did you do it? Please stay back, sir. Sam, did you do it? Look at me. Did you do it? Please. I need to stay back, sir.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Did you do it, Isaiah? Look at me. Why would I look at you? Yeah, you're my first born. Did you do it? Yeah, one more time. Oh, that was, though. I'm sorry, that's not the key. I'm not my lawyer.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Alright, just go ahead and get in here. I'm gonna take a seat. Close it here. Here's the deal. That's family. Okay. One of the family members on this is, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:09 So they came down here to confront him, because they think he did it. Yeah. The only reason he's in class right now is we don't... I thought he was like the suspect. No. We don't have B.C. or reasonable. Right now he's in there because they think he did it. We need to keep them separated. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Okay. Got it? Cool. For the second time, For the second time, In time today, Isaiah is accused of a crime, only now it's something far more serious, and the accusations are coming from his own family. They stand by, watching as he's taken into custody, convinced the case is now solved. But what officers are about to uncover would complicate everything, revealing that no one in this family can truly be trusted.
Starting point is 00:27:51 While Isaiah is transported to the Grant County Jail on probable cause, police continue speaking with the rest of the family. But by now, Richard's daughters are too shaken to talk. So investigators turned to his son-in-law, Greg, one of the first to discover the body, and they're about to learn that he has vital information that would begin to piece together this meticulous murder. So let's start from the beginning. How do you know the guy who works on the shop out here? Richard is my father-in-law that I married one of his daughters last year. Okay, so he is your current father-in-law? He is my father-in-law. I live across the street.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Okay. So you're pretty close with him. I was very close to him. Okay. What do you think happen? I think that there may have been some type of transaction at Richard's house with Isaiah. I don't know exactly the full details of what's going on with him, but I know he's been having issues, paranoia issues and things of that nature. What do you mean by transaction? Like an altercation? Yeah. What I think is Richard's, he's old school, he doesn't, he's not into them.
Starting point is 00:28:57 the wife at the back or the marijuana. And I think maybe he confronted him. Somebody said something about the tarp that you saw. Yeah, I had a tarp. We had a tarp at the house. And I'm not saying that's the actual tarp, but I know that it was a brown and great tarp. That you had at your house?
Starting point is 00:29:16 That we had at our house, and I can't. It was sitting right there and the, I'm really by my truck, but why where the barbecuer is and stuff? and I haven't seen it, so I don't know if it blew away, I don't know, but it's missing. And sure enough, when the family began digging, they discovered Richard's body had been fully wrapped in a brown and gray tarp. With that tarp belonging to Greg, it now raises two possibilities. Either he just incriminated himself, or whoever did this, used it specifically to frame him.
Starting point is 00:29:51 and Greg has his own theory about who may have set him up. It's, he's, Isaiah's been acting, it's pretty, pretty strange lately. You've met Isaiah? Yes. Has he ever been to your house? Yes. Okay. And the last time he was there, he was super paranoid about everything.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Does he drive Richard's truck very often? Everybody drives Richard's trucks often, to be honest with him. Okay. People drive them all the time, but, um, I do know that Isaiah was pulled over today, I want to believe. Yeah. And Moses. You mentioned C tire tracks, is that correct? Correct.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Going into the grass. Going into the grass? Yes, sir. Tell me about these tracks. I've seen look up here to either somebody was backing in or at somebody turned to the right, I believe. Okay. And I seen the tire mark going into the grass and I seen, that's when I seen it, and then I noticed a hose and everything like I told you. Is it common here on the property for vehicle?
Starting point is 00:30:51 to go into the grass. Negative. He never goes on that grass. According to Greg, Richard's truck was shared and often driven by multiple members of the family, which immediately complicates things.
Starting point is 00:31:05 As the tire tracks, officers identified at the crime scene no longer point to a single suspect. But just as leads begin to run dry, officers would learn that the search warrant for Richard's home has finally been approved. So detectives quickly wrap up their interview with Greg and headstrong.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Straight back to the house. The moment they step inside the home, the detectives notice a strong scent of bleach in the air. All surfaces have been wiped down and inside there are clear signs of a cleanup job. Detectives know they're dealing with a methodical killer, possibly more than one, but even then, they would overlook something critical. When detects the house more closely, they notice spots of blood on the back door handle that had been missed. first real piece of evidence tying Richard's house to his murder. And then they stumble upon something even more significant. A knife hidden in the living room still in its sheath, marked with visible red stains. Whoever tried to erase what happened here didn't manage to get
Starting point is 00:32:08 rid of everything. With the scene processed, all evidence sent for forensic analysis and the family dispersed, the focus now shifts to the man back at the station. Since his arrest, Isaiah has refused to cooperate. But now as officers return to confiscate his clothing, they're about to discover the most crucial piece of evidence may have been right in front of them all day. Okay, Mr. Kahnit, can you take off your shoes? And then take off your sweatshirt.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Bray, this hell of clothing. I'll try to get you to the blanket. You got two blankets there. I'll try to get you in there, one. Oh. When officers hold up Isaiah's shoes, they notice they're covered in dirt and possibly dried blood. It's the first and only detail that could place him anywhere near the crime scene,
Starting point is 00:33:07 but it's far from definitive. With the day coming to an end, investigators finish processing their findings and prepare for tomorrow, hoping they'll finally be able to answer what really happened to Richard. As for Isaiah, by continuing to refuse to speak, he has effectively handed his fate over to his family, who have already begun forming theories and accusations, with even the closest relatives ready to completely turn on each other.
Starting point is 00:33:36 The next morning, after nearly 12 hours of detectives digging through the family's past, troubling rumors begin to surface, alleging Isaiah might have been involved in an old cold homicide case that remains unsolved to this day. Detectives also hear whispers that Isaiah's own parents may have helped cover it up and may have even known what happened to Richard long before anyone else. These are serious allegations that detectives will need to explore carefully, but right now, their immediate priority is uncovering what truly happened to Richard and who's responsible.
Starting point is 00:34:11 To do that, they begin calling family members into the station for formal interviews. The first to arrive is Isaiah's father, Anthony. Among many other details, detectives need to address one critical question. Why was he so quick to suspect his own son? Was it simply a gut feeling or did he know something no one else did? Oh, I think it was a week ago, right? The week before this incident happened. And Kim is like, you guys need to come down there and Isaiah is acting crazy.
Starting point is 00:34:44 We go down there and we walk in the house and as soon as we get in the house, he's like, he has this big bag of weed that you could tell that he got from like the dispenser or whatnot. It's big. It's big. about this being yeah what the f f f f you doing here like this is what you kick me out the house for right i was like yeah he says what the f f f you doing here this has nothing to do with you and i was like listen here man your aunt scared because you're at you're wilding out up in here so then i'm looking
Starting point is 00:35:11 at him and he was like say i'm gonna buy say i am he's got a butcher knife like this and he just like but he's like crying say i am and say this i if he had got me it would have been all of us you know so i just said i'll leave Where did I mess up, you know, as a father? Did I do something wrong? Like, what did I do? Because this is not you. And he was just like, you're the best dad ever, man.
Starting point is 00:35:35 I couldn't ask for a dad, man, better than you, man. It's kind of like, you did everything right. You're a great dad, man. And then Kim's like bust out crying. And then he's just like, get the fuck out of here, motherfucker. Will I kill you? Naturally, this account from Anthony catches detectives off guard, as they realized the incident may have foreshadowed everything.
Starting point is 00:35:59 So they paused the interview and look into it, confirming that it did in fact occur. One week earlier, police recalled to Isaiah's aunt Kim's house after reports that he was experiencing a manic episode. And as detectives review the body cam footage of that incident, it quickly becomes clear why the entire family believes he did it. Please don't you just tase the fuck out of him? He's got the knife with him? Yeah. Okay, what's... That's my husband.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Okay. That's our older son. Okay. What's his issue? Like, is he, can you, do you guys want to just stay out here? I know that he's your son, but we just don't know what the situation is, right? Isaiah, do you have a knife on you? Do you want to go down on the ground just to verify, man?
Starting point is 00:36:39 We're just, hey Isaiah, we're gonna put you in cops, but it's just for our safety, okay? You're not under arrest. We just want to make sure you're okay, okay? I want to go down to your knees, man. Do you, Jeff? Could put your hands behind your back, man? Can you put your hands by your back? Can you put your hands by your back?
Starting point is 00:36:54 Again, you're not under arrest, okay? Just doing this for your safety. Is it recording? Yeah, you're being recorded on the camera right here. Is it supposed to be red when it's recording? Yep. See how it's blinking red? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Yeah. Okay, you want to walk over here to our car, man? We're going to have to figure out what's going on and then kind of just go from there, okay? When officers detain Isaiah, they find him in tears, struggling to hold himself together. And as they pull him away from his family, he's about to tell officers something unexpected about himself. What's going on today? I'm just going through a lot of shit right now, so. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Do you have any plans to hurt yourself for anything like that? Uh, no, not. I mean, I guess everybody do, you know, but I mean... Do you have any fines to hurt yourself today? No, not today, but this past week. Just having a rough time. Yeah. But it's all good, bro.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I'll bounce back, bro. I'm going to shake back. Yeah, but it's all good, bro. I'm gonna shake back again. Yeah. And again, And again, and again. Do you want to go to the hospital or anything like that?
Starting point is 00:37:58 And again, and again, huh? Do you want to go to the hospital or anything like that? No, bro. It's good. Like, I'm good. So, so what was the deal with the knife? I got a swisher in there. It's called, it's a blunt, basically.
Starting point is 00:38:09 And I use a knife and I split it. Okay. Cut to take out the tobacco to put my weed in. Okay. At first. Okay. But then me and my answer are arguing when that knife was on the table, so. I think you just had it all already.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It was already there. Me, it was already there. And we started arguing. I don't want her to leave, but she just... It's not that big of a dude. I was a good person, bro. No one said you're not a good person. I don't...
Starting point is 00:38:34 I've never met you. I'm just saying, bro, like... What happened? I just... Lie, bro. Clearly, there is sympathy in the officer's voice, as he realizes the man in front of him has been dealt a very difficult hand in life.
Starting point is 00:38:50 And although Isaiah downplays the incident, in hindsight, it would read very differently, because perhaps this was the last and only time something could have been done to prevent the tragic fate of Richard Andrews. After analyzing the incident and forming a clearer picture of Isaiah, detectives returned to finish their interview with Anthony. Through his account, it becomes clear he believes Isaiah's issues stem from two factors, prolonged marijuana use and repeated head trauma from his time as a wide receiver, a position notorious for heavy hits and brain damage. Anthony also goes on to clarify crucial details about his son's mental state,
Starting point is 00:39:31 making it evident that his initial suspicions of Isaiah were rooted in his son's increasingly unpredictable and volatile behavior. So with Anthony's perspective now on the record, the interview comes to an end, and detectives move on to Richard's daughter, Kim, the person who found the body. Kim goes on to explain why she immediately suspected her nephew Isaiah, pointing to his history of violent psychotic episodes, including pulling guns and knives on family members, as well as his white vans covered in dirt,
Starting point is 00:40:03 something she says is highly unusual for him. Notably, she ends the interview by saying she fears that if Isaiah is ever released, he will do it again. With the case against Isaiah growing stronger by the minute, detectives then shift their attention to two more family members, Richard's daughter Chrissy and her partner, Floyd. Unlike everyone else, these two family members are about to become Isaiah's best and perhaps only chance of shifting how detectives view Isaiah's role in all of this. It's hard to kind of start this off, as far as your father, right? Yes. So I find out that they find my dad.
Starting point is 00:40:48 buried in back of his shop. I already knew. I told them, why are you letting that motherfucker stay at my dad's house? You know he's gonna kill him. So I know you have questions for me, and then, obviously I have questions for you, and I think they're both geared around the same. When I got there, bro, it was weird. Weird, weird.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And I'm like, man, something's not right. So I left, and that's when I told her and explained it to her. I even knew something was wrong before he had this episode. say something's not right with this kid something you guys might want to be careful sure as as soon as i leave soon as we leave yeah all hells break loose uh explain to me now the background how you knew something weird was going on with Isaiah because he prior to this he was staying with us and i'm not exactly sure exactly what happened but he starts a conversation with my son he pulls out a pistol from his draws Isaiah Isaiah okay sets it down i got open
Starting point is 00:41:51 back holding my sister Cassie and I said you know that boy is sick he's beyond therapy he needs can help like he needs to be medicated the thing like I said the only thing the only thing that that that just bothers me the most that kid does not clean at all he wanted to make an attempt he'll drop something on the floor and just walk away from it and leave it there and usually I'll and usually I'll even ask hey where's Richard because I'll say hi to him but But for some reason, it's just the atmosphere was just, I'm like, all right, something's wrong. So I got on the phone with her and I'm like, oh, he's still wigging. He's wigging whore.
Starting point is 00:42:30 And I said, and your sister's tripping. I said, your sister acting like, she's scared to death. Well, she knows he goes to his episode. Of course, she's scared. I'm like, okay. When after we found out what really happened is that she knew what he did. At this point, detectives begin to realize Chrissy and Floyd. aren't just angry at Isaiah, they also hold his mother accountable.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And the couple's suspicions align with detectives who still can't explain why Cassie asks them to arrest Isaiah before the body was even discovered. So with all of this in mind, detectives would ask them both point blank who they believe is truly responsible for Richard's death. So I'm on the same page as you. You guys believe that Isaiah's mom
Starting point is 00:43:20 She had knowledge of it. She had to have knowledge of it. I mean, that kid wouldn't have clean, that kid wouldn't have done another of that. Because he ran over to the neighbor's house and tried to take their car. Did you guys get that information? Yes. All right, so he's preratic. He's not clean. He's trying to, he's running on. He's trying to get off. He's trying to run off. He's trying to do whatever he can do to get out of the situation.
Starting point is 00:43:45 He's not thinking about cleaning. He's not thinking about picking this guy up and putting him in the back of the truck or and burying them, and then go down to the valley and go get a tarp, then go back up there in her dad's truck, and they see it, and go back up to the house and wrap them in the tarps, and then come back down to the valley, which is across the street from the search's house, and bury him.
Starting point is 00:44:05 When you said that you believe that she knew, do you believe that she helped cover the body and cleaned up? I can't go that for it. I can't go that far because he doesn't have that mentality. At the end of this conversation, If she's not arrested by then, I don't know what to tell you guys, but she sought, she didn't sought it up like, per se, like, oh, Isaiah, I'm just going to do this. And she manipulated the situation to her advantage. She knew what her son was capable of.
Starting point is 00:44:36 She knew how to get him to that point of manic and psychosis. To detectives, accusations like these don't come lightly, especially between sisters. Additionally, Floyd's description of Isaiah aligns with what detectives already believe, that he's impulsive, messy, and incapable of thinking ahead. And with the next interview set to be Cassie herself, detectives understand just how much weight this conversation carries, not only for Isaiah's future, but for Cassie's as well. There's a lot they still need to figure out. Her unusual behavior outside the sergeant's car, her possible involvement in Richard's murder,
Starting point is 00:45:18 and even lingering questions about a potential past homicide. But they know these answers won't come easily. They'll have to approach this carefully, waiting for the right moment to press her. And as her interview unfolds, watch closely for the moment Cassie begins to fear she's the one being implicated. There's no easy way to start this conversation.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Go for it. Okay, sorry. I'll work through it. Okay. So, how has Isaiah's mental health been in the last few years? it sounds like he's been suffering. Um, to last year for sure. Last year.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Um, as far as like his mental health, is it something that he's diagnosed with or just something you guys started noticing? We started noticing, uh, trying to remember everything. Um, October, I was before October of 2023. So back for around me. Yeah. I believe that's when he started smoking and he didn't want to work. He didn't want to do that type of stuff. And we kind of were like, well, he's going through it.
Starting point is 00:46:35 You know, he's done some, he's done playing football. And that's something he's done since he's five years old, you know. Big cold, like life change. Oh, yeah. No school, no schedule, no workout. Clearly, Cassie appears emotional, possibly even carrying a sense of guilt as she speaks about her son. Beyond that, nothing about her behavior stands out to detectives as suspicious. But as the interview continues, she begins recounting the same incident at Chrissy's house,
Starting point is 00:47:08 where some noticeable differences between her story and the rest of the family starts to emerge. I knocked on the back door. She doesn't keep her back. She uses it for her front door, but it's just... And I walked in, and my son's sitting. Your little kitchenette table there, there's marijuana all over a big bag, some paraphernalia, but he's sitting there with a knife. And I walk in, I was like, hey son, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:47:48 What are you doing here? I said, well, what's going on with you? Is everything okay? And he didn't see my husband. His dad came in behind me. And he's seen his dad and instantly he's pissed. What the, are you doing here? But he hadn't gotten up yet.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Like, he was still sitting. Where's the knife in perspective? And he's sitting and he has it in his hand. Is he like you're doing right now? He's just sitting back in the chair? Yeah, he has it. And he's like, trying, he's like, what are you doing here? And we're still kind of standing at the door.
Starting point is 00:48:32 And when he's seen my husband, he got even more pissed. Who effing called you? What are you doing here? My husband looked at me, and he stood in between us. And he said, get out of here, get out of here, and go call the sheriff now. While retelling the story, Cassie appears far less disturbed by the incident. despite it involving her own son. She also seems reluctant to discuss the part where he threatened her husband's life.
Starting point is 00:49:02 So after a few hours of letting Cassie speak freely, allowing her to settle into the role of the victim, detectives would finally begin to push back, starting with one detail that would clearly catch her off guard. And I don't mean this question in anything, but obviously, like at this point, I can only see certain things. Did you guys explain all of that about him pulling the knife on Anthony? to the deputies.
Starting point is 00:49:25 Yeah. Okay. And dispatch, too. And dispatch, too. And she said, don't go back in there. Mm-hmm. But I get why they're angry with me, too. You know, that's my son.
Starting point is 00:49:37 And they don't think I did anything to try and help him. And I think most of it is emotions are going to be high right now. They'll never talk to me again. I already know that. And they've made other threats. but they've also said other things too. And I don't know if you want to talk about those right now. I think Detective Hunt is falling up on that part,
Starting point is 00:50:06 but the weird, vague comments about this is potentially not the first time Isaiah has done something. Yeah, and I didn't hear any of it. I was in the house, but they were really going on. like he's done this before and like jokes me that was the implication but she also said that my husband and I help cover it up and that they know the name strategies like this happened and people don't find their loved ones with at least we found my dad not only at the prospect of being ostracized by her family, but also at the possibility of being suspected by detectives as Isaiah's accomplice. But there's still one more question detectives
Starting point is 00:51:02 need answered, after which they'll have made up their minds about Cassie. When you went to Sergeant Rodriguez and he made the comment that it's him, you need to get him in cuffs, you need to get my son in cuffs. Why for you in that moment did you, you know, you knew was Isaiah? Where was your mind set up? I know I'm asking you to explain like a gut instinct. I was just
Starting point is 00:51:32 the things he kept saying like you guys, why are you pressing me? He's like, he's gone all the time weeks at a time. I said, how long has it been since you've seen him? And he's like a day and a half. So you've got kind of every other family member that's here that's worried and everything like that.
Starting point is 00:51:52 his response didn't seem to match your guys's. Right. You just know, you feel it is. It's just like, then I'm like, he has to get him. He has to go to jail. You know, I just felt it. And I'm, I'm his mom, you know, and I'm not in denial. I do think personally, you did the right thing.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I think you handled everything as best as anyone could, as best a parent could. And I don't think that, me saying that's going to bring you any comfort, but I do believe it. Despite her unusual behavior, the detective appears to take Cassie at her word, believing she may be genuinely innocent. Her family, however, remains unconvinced. After wrapping up this and several other family interviews, investigators find themselves between a rock and a hard place. So far, there's no concrete evidence that Chrissy or anyone else was involved. In fact, at this stage, there's barely enough to definitively prove Isaiah's involvement. So Isaiah remains in jail, hoping that with the right lawyer and no further discoveries at the house,
Starting point is 00:53:10 he might still be able to walk away, Scott Free. One week passes before the case finally sees an update, but it's not the one investigators were hoping for. The autopsy results have just come in. According to the coroner, Richard died at his home from a severe knife wound to the neck that resulted in significant blood loss. He also showed signs of blunt force trauma to the head, along with bruising around both eyes. His body was then dragged out and later buried in a shallow, tarp-wrapped grave at his own shop. But even with these horrific findings, it says little about who was responsible for Richard's death,
Starting point is 00:53:50 other than suggesting it was someone deeply disturbed. And with every passing day, both detectives and the family begin to fear that the person or people responsible may never face justice. More than two months pass, and the case begins to stall. But then, investigators catch a break. They receive a major update from the jail where Isaiah is being held. So detectives rush over and meet with one of Isaiah's fellow inmates who has some very interesting information to share. We're both detectives of most like PD. First off, we're not here for your case.
Starting point is 00:54:30 You're not in trouble or anything like that. This is about a different case that we want to talk to you about. With Isaiah Thomas, how does he act in there? Crazy. This is kind of, I got mine. What kind of stuff does he do? Uh, he backs on the door. And then he started screaming, blur, blah, blah, all night.
Starting point is 00:54:50 And he doesn't let his sleep at all. Okay. So all night he's keeping people out? Yeah, yeah, he is. Does he piss people off that in the garment? Yeah, he does. Okay. What have you heard as far as like his case? Uh, well, that he killed his grandpa.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Yeah. That he's let his throw open. Okay. And before he killed him, that he asked him if he's a belittle to God. Oh, really? Yeah. What was the ground? That he did.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Okay. And then he just did it. Did he say why he killed the grandpa? Oh, yeah, he was, uh, his grandpa was, yeah, since he was a little kid. Okay. Yeah. When he killed him, was grandpa trying to do something? Uh, no, I don't.
Starting point is 00:55:41 It's just, he had anger towards him or something. Yeah. Okay. what the inmate describes aligns with key details from the autopsy, particularly the fatal wound. But even then, investigators can't be certain. The inmate could be telling the truth or saying whatever he thinks will benefit him in hopes of a reduced sentence,
Starting point is 00:56:02 but that uncertainty would soon come to an end with an update from Isaiah himself. Two weeks after speaking with the inmate in early February, Isaiah pleads guilty to second-degree murder, and unlawful disposal of human remains. On March 10th, he is sentenced to a maximum of 20 years in prison, along with mandatory mental health treatment, and no contact orders involving several family members who cooperated with the investigation.
Starting point is 00:56:31 As of now, no other family members have been charged, with law enforcement ultimately concluding this was a solo actor homicide, dismissing any allegations of parental involvement. And as for the alleged prior homicide, police have so far found no evidence linking Isaiah to any unsolved cases.

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