Dr. Insanity - Heartbroken Teen Discovers Mom Killed Her Boyfriend

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

This is 17 years old Elizabeth Baldonado. A few hours ago, her boyfriend was found mysteriously shot dead in a back alley. Tragically, Elizabeth is also pregnant with their child… Her mother, Ortiz-...Chavez, is trying to comfort her daughter. What Elizabeth doesn’t know yet, is that her mother is hiding a dark secret that will ruin the family’s life….. As detectives work the case, more and more clues start pointing toward Elizabeth's family. And as she learns that her own family are now suspected killers, all she can do is deny the accusations… while her mother sacrifices her own children to hide what she’s done…. ----- This video was made for educational purposes only. The video is presented to provide genuine footage of police incidents to promote transparency in government while providing educational, informative and newsworthy content allowing viewers to examine and assess public safety material. This is a fact-checked documentary using authoritative sources. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No, did he already tell you? Yeah. Okay. This is 17-year-old Elizabeth Pallonado. A few hours ago, her boyfriend was found, mysteriously shot dead in a back alley. She's mad. Yeah. She wants to have the person that did it.
Starting point is 00:00:21 She's pregnant. Tragically, Elizabeth is also pregnant with their child. Her mother, Ortiz Chavez, is trying to comfort her daughter. What Elizabeth doesn't know yet is that her mother is hiding a dark secret that will ruin the family's life. Your mom's car is on video leaving the homicide. You seriously think that they did it? Yes. My mom loved that child.
Starting point is 00:00:51 As detectives work the case, more and more clues start pointing towards Elizabeth's family. and as she learns that her own family are now suspected killers, all she can do is deny the accusations, while her mother sacrifices her own children to hide what she's done. All right, um, do you want to talk? It's a quiet Friday morning in downtown Albuquerque. The 16-year-old boy walks alone through a back alley on his way to work. unaware that a killer is waiting for him inside one of the parked cars.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Then, a single gunshot rings out, striking the teenager in the head and killing him instantly, while the shooter disappears from the scene. Within minutes, multiple 911 calls start flooding in reporting the gunfire. Patrol units quickly respond to the area, and as officers turn down the alley, they're met with a grim scene. Lying on the pavement is a teenage boy, motionless with blood pulling beneath his head. The victim shows no signs of life and appears to have a gunshot wound visible just above his temple. Whatever happened in this alley happened fast and whoever pulled the trigger is already gone.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Officers call it in and begin securing the perimeter. With no weapon in sight and no ID on the body, they now need to figure out who he is and why he ended up here. Backup units soon arrive and start canvassing the area, looking for anyone who might have heard or seen what happened. And before long, two witnesses come forward, claiming they saw something strange right after the gunshot. Did you hear anything by some people ready? He turns around, runs back to the alley, and takes off down the street. I just saw screws cars that aren't usually here because I've just one server and I noticed a weird activity and I just had this gun. wrenching feeling that someone was about to get shot because there were just weird people back here and I saw this kid
Starting point is 00:03:01 this guy right here who shot he was over here talking to some girl and the last minute I saw him there I turned the corner and I heard a gunshot when I was on this side of the road so I came back over here his car was down you heard one shot according to witnesses a single gunshot was fired followed by a group of teenagers scrambling in every direction one of One of them was seen jumping into a car with a girl before speeding away. The information is vague, but it gives police a starting point. Detectives soon arrive at the scene and launch a formal homicide investigation. While examining the body, they noticed something odd about the victim. He's still wearing an apron, the kind used by restaurant staff, suggesting he might have worked nearby.
Starting point is 00:03:47 That small detail sends them straight across the street to the only restaurant in sight, Lindy's Diner. Inside, the owners immediately recognize the victim. His name is Hoseway J. Ruiz, 16 years old, a dishwasher who'd only started a few weeks earlier. They tell police Jay's grandfather is a regular customer, and officers are able to call him and ask him to come down to the scene. When Jay's grandfather arrives, detectives have to break the tragic news to him. But what he tells them about Jay's life will start to hint at darker things he may have been involved in.
Starting point is 00:04:25 So I don't know if anybody still did this, and I was trying to see of yours. Obviously, I'm Swet. Is that how you say it? Yeah. So that's what we're here for, is we're here to try to figure out what happened, and try to do it the best we can, I honestly. Most of it. All right.
Starting point is 00:04:44 He's your grandson, is correct? Okay. He was involved with something, but I could never get the truth for him. I can never think they're doing it. There's one friend that he was involved with that, you know, I really didn't approve of, I was just getting ready to mumble them out. You know, keep taking it somewhere else. You can have a job, you know.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Right. Oh my god. Although the news clearly breaks him, he takes it with quiet strength, telling detectives that his grandson had been involved in something lately that might be what got him killed. him killed and as the conversation continues he mentions one more heartbreaking detail Jay wasn't just a teenager with secrets he was about to become a father
Starting point is 00:05:32 yeah his girlfriend's at your apartment right now he called me this morning and told me 8 you're gonna see a great grandpa is what he told me so no kidding is his who's his girlfriend um I think it's Maldonado Okay. She's at here a heart right now, yeah. The revelation only adds to the tragedy. Jay's girlfriend, 17-year-old Elizabeth Baldonado, is pregnant with his child and has no idea that he's gone.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Investigators plan to speak with her later, but for now they allow Jay's grandfather to leave the scene and deliver the news himself, telling her that detectives will be in touch soon. If anyone can explain what Jay had been caught up in, it's her. About an hour later, the homicide case is officially assigned to Detective Anna Brusiaga, as the lead investigator. After reviewing the initial reports and witness statements, she begins canvassing the area for any surveillance footage that might reveal what happened.
Starting point is 00:06:38 It doesn't take long before officers locate a camera mounted outside a nearby school, angled directly towards the alley where the shooting took place. When they sit down to review the footage, they finally get their first visual clue of Jay's killers. So these are all the cameras that are ordering at the few systems, digital and the analog. The analog sucks, so there's a fair warning. This space is the alleyway. Once the shot happens, the people loading the vehicle will react. So the individual walks the vehicle somewhere right here.
Starting point is 00:07:07 So he just walked to the passenger side. And they react. Is it don't, almost a second toilet. On screen, a gold Toyota sedan can be seen racing away seconds after the gunshot. And through the tinted glass, detectives can barely make out what appears to be two figures inside the vehicle, meaning there are at least two suspects on the loose. A couple of hours later, detectives arrive at the apartment where Jay's girlfriend, Elizabeth, is staying. They believe she might help them understand what Jay had been caught up in.
Starting point is 00:07:46 But they have no idea that they'll soon come face-to-face with one of Jay's killers, someone far closer to him than anyone imagined. They might have we come in here? Yeah. I mean, before he's lost. I know that obviously he was possibly having some issues with some people, right? Can you tell me about that? He doesn't really tell me much about it.
Starting point is 00:08:09 So let's start with today. What do you guys do the day? He took shower at like 8 o'clock. He was getting ready to go to work at 10. I was making appointments today because we found out that I'm pregnant. Well, he was texting me still until at least around 12 o'clock. And then he stopped answering me for a few hours. The timeline Elizabeth provides lines up with the shooting.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Around 11.20 a.m. is when Jay stopped responding to her messages, the same time investigators believe he was killed. Beyond that, Elizabeth doesn't offer much, saying Jay often kept to himself and never told her what he was doing. To detectives, it sounds like Jay might have gotten himself involved in something he didn't want anyone else to know about. Maybe a deal that went wrong or a confrontation that escalated. Whatever it was, it's likely what got him killed.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Or at least, that's what it seems at first. Because Elizabeth isn't telling the full story, Not yet. And the next thing she remembers won't just give detectives a new lead. It'll start turning suspicion towards Elizabeth and her own family. A little bit from what I got gathered from Grandpa is that he feels that he was up to no grid lately. Can you tell me about that? This morning, him and my brother were supposed to box it out because this has nothing to do with this at all. My brother and him just don't get along. They bump heads very much.
Starting point is 00:09:47 But my brother would never do this. He knows how I feel about Jane. And which brother? My younger brother? What's his brother? Angelou. Tell me a little bit about why they were going to box it out. Um, me and Jay, we were arguing about something.
Starting point is 00:10:05 I don't remember what. But we started getting really loud and my brother, She got tired of it, so he came in and told him to stop yelling at me and they just started fighting. Basically fighting? No, no. So did they text each other that they were going to fight? No. No.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Jay called me and told my mom that he wanted to box it out with my brother. According to Elizabeth, her brother Angelo was supposed to box it out with her boyfriend Jay that morning. A teenage fight meant to settle whatever tension had been building between them. Although the fight never happened and Elizabeth insists it has nothing to do with the homicide, it suggests the conflict could have been personal. Investigators will now have to follow up on this and look into Angelo's involvement before ruling him out. But before the conversation can continue any further with Elizabeth, Jay's family arrives at the apartment.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Word of the shooting has already reached them. But they still haven't received an official confirmation from police. Detective Anna Brusiaga has no choice but to break the tragic news to Jay's mother, a moment that no amount of experience could ever prepare anyone for. Can you tell us which one on? Yeah, absolutely. First and foremost, I'm going to be lost. Okay. Right now I don't have much other than officers were dispatched to the alleyway in reference to to people.
Starting point is 00:11:38 It's okay. What happened? No, that's what I'm... So we just got called out. That's why I'm trying to interview as many people as I can. That's why I headed here first, and then I was headed here away because I do have some questions. But as of right now, I don't. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:57 I really... I really... Definitely. Thank you. Thank you. Mom! With the devastating news delivered, Detective Anna Brousiaga tries to gather any insight from Jay's family, but they don't seem to have any. Even his mother can't imagine who would want to hurt him, leaving detectives with
Starting point is 00:12:36 no clear leads or motives to work with. As investigators collect Chey's phone and prepare to leave, another woman walks into the apartment, Ortiz Chavez, looking to comfort her daughter. Detective Broussiaga sits down with her to collect some basic information, a casual conversation at first, until Chavez mentions a small detail that catches the detective's attention and quietly puts her on the radar. I go to her. I go over.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Can you done that? Taya. Toyota? Yeah. It's like a cold. Yeah. Stalled out with me. I said, they just purchased it.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah. Do you have a plate on it? No. No, I don't. They took our tickets off. They took it off the car. Yeah, they took it off the car. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:23 So earlier this morning, it broke down on her, and then she just left it there. As Chavez describes her vehicle, Detective Bruce Iaga immediately recognizes the description. description. A gold Toyota sedan, similar to the one caught on surveillance footage speeding away just seconds after the shooting. The connection is hard to ignore. Bruce Yaga notes the details, but decides it's too early to jump to conclusions. Wanting to verify it as quickly as possible, she wraps up the initial interview with the family and heads out with officers to the spot where Chavez abandoned her car that morning. When they arrive, the car is nowhere to be found, and Bruce Yaga starts suspecting Chavez might be hiding something.
Starting point is 00:14:06 About 40 minutes later, investigators return to the apartment to interview Chavez privately. And that's when things start to get interesting. By now, it's only been a few hours since Jay was killed. And most detectives would still be collecting statements. But Brousiaga's instincts tell her, there's no time to waste. So she sits down with Chavez and makes a bold accusation. So here's the thing, okay? So I believe your car was used in today's homicide.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Okay? You're not to me? No, I am not. So you're stolen, so. That's why I'm talking to you. Okay, so if you don't tell me who had your car? I don't know. It's your car.
Starting point is 00:14:53 My car is at the side of the road. Okay. I didn't lend my car to nobody. Detective Brousiaga is quick to connect the dots, suspecting that it's Chavez's car that was speeding away. But Chavez claims she abandoned it, and it must have been stolen. However, the detective is about to take things one step further, because if Chavez's car was used in the murder, the next logical question is who was behind the wheel.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And with what Elizabeth revealed about the planned fight that morning, there's only one name that fits. Chavez's son, Angelou. So what I'm getting up is that what are the odds? They, your son and his friends have a problem with Jay. And Jay is now dead. And people are telling me it's your car on the scene. But my son said he would have a new job, and I was with them today.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Okay. So you were with them all day. Yes. My son had an interview at 9 o'clock, and we were out of the water burger over there, caught him or whatever. You drop them off? No, I didn't leave the water burger. Okay, so you waited for him to be done? Yes, and we'll go back together to my house. Okay, then you guys go back to the house.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Mm-hmm. Okay. And he stayed there, and I led with myself, the car, to go see Elizabeth. Chavez's morning timeline only reinforces the detective. suspicions. If she really abandoned her car around 10.30 that morning, and it suddenly vanished, then there's a very high chance it's the same gold Toyota caught on CCTV later when Jay was shot. Witnesses also reported seeing a young male and female inside the car. And with Chavez having both a teenage son, Angelo, and a daughter, Elizabeth, things are starting to look very suspicious
Starting point is 00:16:51 for her family. For now, though, all of this remains as just early. suspicion. After all, detectives know Jay had been hiding things. He was secretive and clearly mixed up in something he wasn't telling anyone about. But there's something eerily strange about Chavez's demeanor that Detective Brousiaga can't ignore. Even after being told her son might be involved in a homicide, she stays quiet, almost detached. Not the kind of reaction you'd expect from a mother facing that sort of accusation. And the longer the conversation goes, the more convinced Bruce Yaga becomes that the mother sitting in front of her knows more than she's letting on. So the detective decides to take an even bigger risk this time, and make an accusation
Starting point is 00:17:36 that most investigators would hesitate to ask this early on. So, did you shoot? Jay? No, I didn't please. No. He's a kid, he's a baby. I know, but somebody did. But I... No. No. But I also feel like you know more than you're telling me.
Starting point is 00:18:00 But I don't. Because again, I'm telling you, based on your demeanor, I think you know what happened. And I know it's your car. And I am gonna confirm it on video surveillance. I hope you do, because I'm like, really, I'm likely lost right now. Again, Chavez's reaction isn't what Detective Brousiaga expects at all. at all. Instead of breaking down or reacting defensively, she simply denies it with a sorrowful face. This response leaves Broussiaga torn between two possibilities. Either Chavez is innocent,
Starting point is 00:18:35 but in complete shock, struggling to process what's happening, or she's carefully keeping her composure to hide a guilty conscience and protect her children. Either way, she sticks to her story, and with nothing concrete so far, the interview comes to an end. But even without proof, Bruce Yaga can't shake the feeling that her instincts are right, that one of Jay's killers is sitting in this very apartment. With her doubts only growing, Broussiaga decides to move quickly and verify Chavez's version of events with the one person who can either confirm or contradict it. Her son, Angelo.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Within an hour, investigators head straight to Angelo's workplace to talk to him in person. Whatever he tells detectives will either clear. clear his family or make things even worse for them. So there was a shooting downtown today and somebody died. So I know that you knew him, so I... I think he was actually somebody that you knew because he was dating your sister. Tell him what, Jay? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Yeah. Yes. Is he a lot? No, he's not. He's dead. So I just wanted to find out, um, you just a little bit. Can you tell his, right? You talk to his, right?
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So explain to me what this whole, like, your mom and your sister explain, like, this beef between you and Jay. So explain that. We had a problem with me getting to two-scently. And like I said, we had to just react to that one of the father. And we didn't really, like, talk after that before we're separate ways.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah. So your sister tells your home, your mom tells you him that Jay wants to fight. So when did they respond to me? I didn't plan nothing. He assumed. And I was in fight. We're good, we had all this school. We had all this student.
Starting point is 00:20:24 We said he wanted to do a big problem. Today? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. And she, you mean your mom said. That's what Jay told me. He told me that's what Jay told me.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Like, that's what Jay told me to tell my sister to tell me. But someone, so forth, so forth, that I got told us. That you're supposed to meet. Where were you guys supposed to meet? He just said they were all over five minutes. he talked to the very, so I assume you have my daughter. Angelo confirms most of what detectives have already heard from his sister and mother, saying Jay wanted to box it out that morning, but the fight never happened. Beyond that,
Starting point is 00:21:05 there isn't much new information, and his version of events lines up neatly with his mother's timeline. For now, their stories seem consistent. But until those details can be verified, Detective Brousiaga knows she has to take everything they've said at face value. However, before investigators can dig deeper, Angelo's mother suddenly walks in, and this time, she's far less cooperative. He's not even awake, I mean, I just be talking to me, but he's not in trouble, so he doesn't have to be 18 for us to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:21:41 I mean, it's up to him. If he doesn't want you here, he doesn't have you here. Yeah, this is good. And the bar is here. I had to have a little to pick up. Talk to your sister. So there is one thing that we are going to need this like we talk with your sister. We're going to get your home. So we're going to take care of it. I need it. No.
Starting point is 00:22:00 I don't have a phone. But yeah, your daughter's up to investigation. Like I explained to you up for your earlier, Elizabeth. I'm taking your phone. You're not getting the bat until I'm done with it. But as soon as I'm done with it, I will give a bat. Do you want me to take you to go find where your car was left? Because we've been all over there, we can't find it anywhere.
Starting point is 00:22:16 well i'm going to go short evening but i want to make sure my kids get my family home and right now my biggest concern is i just want to go home what's your biggest concern i don't go on you absolutely you're on despite investigators attempts to convince her otherwise chevese insists on taking angelo home even if her intentions are innocent this sudden change in behavior doesn't help their case at all if anything it makes it look like an attempt to shield her son from further questioning. With the interview shut down, officers seize the family's phones, hoping digital evidence might reveal what they're not saying out loud. Back at the police station, detectives spend the next couple of weeks combing through statements, surveillance footage,
Starting point is 00:23:03 and phone data. What they find begins to reshape the entire case. Among the first discoveries are text messages showing that Chavez was directly involved in arranging the so-called boxing match between her son Angelo and her daughter's boyfriend Jay. In one exchange, Elizabeth texts Jay saying that, Mom says they'll be there at eight. Other messages suggest there may have been a gun involved. In one text, Elizabeth writes, I'll be there too because I don't want anything like they pull a gun out. Investigators also uncover signs that Jay and Elizabeth's relationship was deteriorating, with both of them talking about breaking up. In one message, Jay tells her directly, I'll talk to you when it comes to the baby, but I ain't doing this with you anymore. But even more
Starting point is 00:23:49 alarming were the contradictions in the family's statements. Elizabeth told detectives her boyfriend didn't leave the house until 10 that morning. Yet, Jay's phone shows him texting others about Angelo not showing up as early as 8 o'clock. In one of those messages, Jay texts a friend. They didn't show. Eight o'clock, the mom said, and it's 9. Man, her family's a bunch of I swear. Additionally, detectives uncover another name that hadn't come up before. Elizabeth's older brother, Gilbert. In his messages, Gilbert expresses anger towards Jay and even makes promises of retaliation. By the end of the review, Detective Brousiaga becomes convinced that the entire family might be involved in planning what happened that day. Now, it's no longer
Starting point is 00:24:37 a question of what happened, but who did it and exactly why. In the days following Jay's murder, investigators were at a standstill. Because Angelo and Elizabeth are still minors, their mother refuses to let them speak with police, effectively blocking detectives from getting any answers directly from them. But 20 days after the shooting, that changes. Jay's girlfriend, Elizabeth Baldinado, turns 18 years old, and her mother can no longer stop her from talking. Detective Broussiaga seizes the opportunity and convinces her to come down to the station to see the new evidence they've uncovered,
Starting point is 00:25:17 carefully leaving out that it's evidence pointing towards her own family. The goal is simple. Find out who was directly involved in Jay's killing, or better yet, get a confession. This time, detectives plan to double down on the accusations instead of playing nice, but this will soon backfire, because unlike her mother, Elizabeth's reaction will be very different. Now that some time has passed and you've had time to think about it, Elizabeth, I want to hear what happened. Because I think you know more than you told me that day. I don't know anything. I really don't. Why would you guys assume that? Why would I know anything new about that?
Starting point is 00:26:00 Because I have your phones and I've looked through your phones. And so I do believe you know more. What would I know more about? About who killed him, about who did it? No, I don't know. I really don't know who did it. If I knew who did it, I would have told you already. So I know that you and him were having some problems,
Starting point is 00:26:25 and he broke up with you and you wanted to get back with him, and he told you no. I will talk to you when it comes to the baby, but that is it. And he wanted nothing to do with you. So you're saying that I'm saying that I'm not. that I had someone do something in him. Are you even serious? Okay, here's the thing, okay?
Starting point is 00:26:43 I love him more than anything in the world. I would never do anything like that. I would never have anyone do anything like that because I loved him more than my whole life. And actually, I do know that because you guys texted I love you so much tons. So I do know that, okay? But you have to understand, Elizabeth.
Starting point is 00:27:04 I'm investigating his homicide. Somebody killed him. Okay? Have you ever watched homicide shows? Yeah. Okay, so you have to know that if any, if I see anything like that on the phone, you have to know that I have to ask you these questions. Because at this point, I have gone through your phone, I have gone through your brother's phone,
Starting point is 00:27:27 I have gone through... Nosew phone, I have gone through other things, and I have to ask these questions because I have a feeling you know more than you're telling me. you're telling me. I don't. I really don't. I don't know anything more than I'm telling you. As planned, there is no small talk or warm up. Right away, Detective Bruce Iga tells Elizabeth she's not being fully honest. The approach is blunt, and it's clearly hitting a nerve as Elizabeth quickly grows defensive. But Bruce Iga isn't backing off just yet. She's about to bet everything on her next move, laying out every piece of evidence she has against the family in hopes,
Starting point is 00:28:06 of eliciting an admission from Elizabeth. So you brought up that your brother Gilbert had mentioned and said that he was going to send someone up there to take care of it. But he didn't, because my brother knows that if he were to do anything, I would never speak to him again or at all. I would have him part of my life at all. So Gilbert didn't do it. Why would my brother give it?
Starting point is 00:28:37 My brother literally knows how I feel about him. So I'm pretty sure you've been in the household and have heard conversations. Correct? Heard what? Anything. Anything I talked about. They do not talk about anything. Okay. So where is your mom's car?
Starting point is 00:28:57 I don't know. You're seriously assuming that one of my family members did it because the car is missing. is missing, she literally filed a report that her car was missing that night. Okay, so you say you love Postalway, right? And he's the love of your life. So why are you covering for your mom and your brother? I'm not covering for anybody. Are you fucking serious?
Starting point is 00:29:19 You seriously think that they did it? Yes. My mom loved that child too. Okay, maybe not to mom. But what if I told you, what if I told you that your mom's car is on video leaving the homicide? What if I told you that? You know how many Toyota Camrys that are gold live in the city? But what are the odds that your brother and Oswe were...
Starting point is 00:29:44 My brother was at home. My brother was at home with his girlfriend. They were literally sleeping until he had to go to work. It's clear that Elizabeth has reached her breaking point. Every accusation towards her family is pushing her closer to the edge. most investigators would pull back here, take a break, try to de-escalate, but not Detective Brousiaga. Instead, she decides to take a bigger risk, one that's bold, but calculated. Rather than fighting Elizabeth's denials, she will lean into them, even agreeing that she's only trying
Starting point is 00:30:20 to protect her family. In doing so, Brousiaga wants to make Elizabeth feel safe enough to talk and reveal what she's really hiding. It's a delicate psychological play, one that that could end the interview entirely or solve the case right here and now. But I'm going to tell you right now that your mom said she drove Angelo to his interview. Guess what? Angelo said he borrowed the car from your mom and he drove himself to the interview. So obviously somebody's lying. And I kind of understand that you don't want to see.
Starting point is 00:30:55 No, you don't. They don't. They did not do it. Because I don't know what I mean to do. is a wrong place. You're just trying to blame somebody just so that you can get someone for the crime. I know they didn't do it because, well, I don't know for sure, but I know they wouldn't have done something like that. They know how much that would crush me. And literally, they have seen how much I have died these past two weeks. Okay. And I'm not telling you, I'm not telling you
Starting point is 00:31:23 if I find out your brother. I'm telling you when I gather up all my evidence and I arrest your brother, I hope that you didn't know more. You guys can be however you like. My family did not do it. Elizabeth, you can't get out without us letting you out there. Elizabeth, I think you're ready to tell me more than you're telling me. No, I don't know. You have to realize Elizabeth that somebody took your baby's dad's life,
Starting point is 00:31:59 And now that baby is not going to have a father. And as much as you love your family, they still took your baby's dad away. Now that baby's not going to have a dad. Hey, you don't think I know that. It's totally all I think about every day the more of a second. Can we finish talking in the conference room? Just because I can't hear actually.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And we can't be sitting in the hallway, Elizabeth. I'm sorry. This is our victim's sight. Elizabeth's finally had enough. The weight of the questioning breaks her down, and she's emotionally exhausted. Detectives try to take advantage of the moment, hoping her vulnerability will make her open up, but Elizabeth doesn't budge.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Through tears, she keeps insisting her family is innocent. With nothing useful coming from Elizabeth, the interview ends. She's escorted out of the building, and investigators are back to square one. Still, Detective Bruce Yaga can't shake her suspicions. She knows this family is hiding something. What she hasn't figured out yet is that she's been focusing on the wrong suspects all along. Over the next couple of months, the case remains wide open.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Investigators keep digging, and what they find is even more alarming. First, they learn that Chavez never followed through with her. stolen vehicle report from the day of the murder. Then, while combing through phone data, detectives uncover explicit threats from Elizabeth's older brother, Gilbert, directed at Jay. In one message, Gilbert writes, he's going to catch one, clearly hinting at plans for violence. In another text, he says, delete our messages and don't say anything about me saying I was going to shoot him. It wasn't me for real. I ain't trying to deal with cops. Based on these details, investigators start to speculate that Gilbert may have taken things further, possibly supplying a gun, or even using
Starting point is 00:34:03 it himself to shoot Jay. Chavez, realizing what her sons had done, may have then disposed of the car to cover their tracks and build an alibi for the family. The new findings push Gilbert to the top of the suspect list right beside his brother Angelo. But as compelling as the theory sounds, it's still just that, a theory. The case remains strong on suspicion, but weak on proof. And Detective Brousiaga desperately needs anything concrete from the Baldinado family. So, on May 19th, 76 days after Jay's murder, Bruce Iga and a team of officers head to the family's house determined to confront them face-to-face and see if she can pressure someone into cracking.
Starting point is 00:34:47 When the investigators arrive at the door, no one expects how quickly things will get heated. Oh, hi, Gilbert. How are you? Hi. Can I actually talk to you, Gilbert? What about? You know what it's about because, you know, I've already done some research. I'm not going to talk to you right here in the door. Do you want to come talk to me over here?
Starting point is 00:35:06 Hi, Elizabeth. How are you? Good. Okay. Is your mom here? She's showering. You might want to go tell your mom that I would like to talk to her again. I'm going to talk to Gilbert if he's willing to speak with me.
Starting point is 00:35:18 And Gilbert, again, I don't want to talk to you right here in front of the door. Do you mind coming even over here? Yes. So, tell me what you know. Like I said, I'm just good thing here. Okay, so I'm not going to play games with you, okay? I know you threatened to take care of all sweat. Yeah, but I didn't do nothing.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Okay. I was needing up here. I couldn't even do that. Okay, so obviously you do know why I'm here and why I'm talking to you now. You want to discuss, or do you want me to just take it at face value? I already saw the Facebook. So... What you can do whatever?
Starting point is 00:35:57 I didn't do it. Huh? Say you can do whatever. I didn't do shit, so... Okay, so... Again, in your Facebook, you do disclose and say you're gonna send somebody to take care of him. Yeah, but... Did I send anybody?
Starting point is 00:36:13 Okay, so, well, who'd you send? Because he died. I didn't send nobody. Do I need to be any clearer? He died? Yeah, but I didn't send nobody. Come on. Ain't nobody want to do it.
Starting point is 00:36:22 They're all scared. Can I see your phone? phone can I see your phone thank you the T-Mobile okay I'm gonna take it I'm gonna do a warrant on it okay okay take my phone yes again you have to realize that I'm investigating a homicide okay a homicide in which you threatened to kill my victim so you're gonna take my phone yes I'm gonna take your phone I'm gonna do a warrant on it if for any reason just bunch of pictures I'm saying unless you want to see something something but
Starting point is 00:36:54 It's all that's something. Okay. Well, I won't look at pictures, but I am interested in who you've been talking to, text messages, and so on, so I am going to do a warrant on it, okay? With no luck getting anything useful from Gilbert, Detective Bruce Iaga cleverly confiscates his phone, hoping it might hold the evidence she needs but still can't prove. As this is happening, Chavez is seen stepping outside and speaking briefly with officers.
Starting point is 00:37:19 She looks like she's in a hurry to leave. Not willing to let the moment slip away, Detective Brousiaga plans to intercept and confront her about the boxing match she helped organize to see how she reacts when cornered. This time, however, Chavez isn't the same calm, collected woman from before. What Brousiaga gets instead is a very different sight of her. Hello. Can I talk to you really fast? I have to catch the bus, so, I mean, you got five minutes of my time.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Okay. And that's it. Thank you, Gilbert. Thank you for. speaking with me. Have a good day. We'll check in with you before you talk to us. Hi Elizabeth. I know you're going to be quick and all, but so you know why I'm here.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Okay, I don't, I don't got to repeat myself. I don't want to repeat myself. I don't want to play games, okay. This is that information number from when I had called, because I called that same evening. Yeah, you didn't report your car. I did. This is it.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Yes, it is. I already know. Okay, you know what, I'm not time to me with you, but This is a confirmation number. So why did you set up a fight between Angelo and Oswe? No, no, no. Yes, you did. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:38:32 I have phone. He called over. He called to the house. He was asking for a fight. I was like, wait a minute. You want to do what? I was like, are you serious? It was either that they want to sit there and do some stupid things.
Starting point is 00:38:42 I'm not trying to have stupid things going between those boys. Those boys need to learn how to get along. Like I said, I have, I have phones. I already know which when you called it in. You never fully followed through. I did. I waited for them to get here. Okay, do you have the title to the vehicle?
Starting point is 00:38:55 It's in that vehicle. That's what I was trying to tell y'all. Like, I cannot give you any more information because it was in the vehicle. I didn't get to register the car and nothing. You've had the car since before January. Yeah, and I also had to get an alternative part. You know how much money it takes to just me to save for just a little bit, a few things? But the little boy, he called, he wanted to make the fight.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Right. I'm not saying Jose. I'm not saying Jose didn't set the fight, but you let them know and you set up the fight because they were going to fight that morning. No, because they had to know. I'm like, this is what's going on when your sister's left? What are you going to think about this? Yeah, I'd let them know because they needed to know. Because that's not right.
Starting point is 00:39:31 So I'm going to tell you something, okay? Yeah, my five minutes, I'm done. Okay. Well, I'm going to tell you something, okay? When I charge someone, you're going to be charged along because I know you're hiding the truth and I know you're listening to me and it would suck for Aurora and Elizabeth's baby to not be present, for you not to be present because I will charge you
Starting point is 00:39:51 because I do know you were going to set up that fight that day. The end. Young lady, I got it off your daughter's phone. Goodbye. Clearly, Chavez is done talking as she storms off the scene, angry and defensive. But in her frustration, she lets something slip, admitting that she knew about the fight between Jay and her sons. Though she insists, it was all Jay's idea.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Before leaving the house, Bruce Iaga tries once more to speak with Elizabeth to see if she's finally ready to tell the truth. How you've been, Elizabeth? Fine. Are you still pregnant? Yeah. Yeah. How far alone are you? Well, from a menstrual cycle, she said 14 weeks at 7 days.
Starting point is 00:40:39 So, Elizabeth, you know, we talked last time and I know you were very upset, and I can't imagine what you're going to. what you're going through, because you're kind of put in between, but I already know you know what happened. I don't. I don't know what happened at all. All I know is that when his grandpa got back, he told me that Jay was dead. I would just hate, and I truly, from the bottom of my heart, still believe that you weren't involved, but I would just hate to find out that you were involved, and then where does that baby go? Because he no longer has a dad. That day, there was a witness that describes a female matching your exact description talking to his sweat right before he gets shot. I was at the house. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Do you realize how close you live? I was literally clean. Again, Elizabeth, listen to me. And then when his grandpa came home, he walked in on me washing the dishes. You're not going to change my mind because, I mean, is it weird that she lives here and she knows nothing? Elizabeth, you have to think, but can I talk to you for a sec, Elizabeth? What? Can I say something else?
Starting point is 00:41:48 I know. We're not trying to, you know, upset you anymore than you already are or anything like that. But you have to think about how when this case goes to court, one, when people get arrested for things like this, they don't care who's family, friends, or whoever else they can or will throw under the bus to try to get themselves a better deal. When this goes to court and a jury of six, I'm sorry, 12 random people, don't worry about what I think about it. Don't worry about what on it next about it. Think about what those 12 people. You've got to think about what's best for him or her. I don't know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:20 I wouldn't have you guys about that. If you hear something or something comes up, it'll be with a warrant. With Elizabeth repeating the same story as before and no progress made, the officers decide to leave. But Brousiaga gives the family a promise. The next time she comes back, it won't be for questions. It'll be with a warrant. A month later, on June 15th, investigators' finally get the break they've been waiting for. Cell Tower data definitively places Angelo's
Starting point is 00:42:52 phone at the scene of the murder at 11.20 a.m. the same time, Jay was killed, directly contradicting his earlier alibi that he was home with his mother. With this new evidence, a warrant is secured for Angelo's arrest and Bruce Yaga returns to the Baldonado residents, just as she promised. That afternoon, 16-year-old Angelo Baldinado is arrested and charged with murder. Now with the prime suspect finally in custody, police have the chance to interview him without his mother intervening. Brusiaga hopes this will be the moment they get to close the case for good. But to her surprise, Angelo isn't about to make that easy, because this time, he has an escape plan of his own. I'm still that chair, sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:46 Is my mom going to be here somewhere? Is your mom going to be here? Was she driving down here? Oh, she was sucking one of the people that was out there. Oh, at the house? I was at the office, sorry, I was no longer at the house. Okay. So she should be coming.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Okay. And if not, like, she should be coming. She should? Okay. So you do remember. remember me and I actually do know you remember me because you're like, can I talk to Anna? So, but again, I am Anna Rusciaga. This is my partner.
Starting point is 00:44:22 So, Angelo, because you are a minor, I am going to read you your rights. And where's going to... I want my mom here this meeting me. Then I had questions since if I wasn't going to talk to my mom ago. So you want your mom here while I read you your rights as well? Yeah, I want it for the whole thing. For the whole thing? Okay, sorry.
Starting point is 00:44:42 At this time, you are going to get booked for your warrant, okay? It's a homicide warrant. Okay, again, you know, because you said that you wanted to speak to me with your mom, I can't ask you questions. At this point, I am booking you for the homicide warrant, and that's all you can do. It's certainly not the response, Detective Bruce Yaga, was hoping for, but it's hardly surprising. After months of his mother keeping him away from investigators, Angelo refuses to speak without his mother or a lawyer present. With no cooperation
Starting point is 00:45:23 and no confession, there is nothing more detectives can do. Angelo is booked into the county's juvenile detention center, held without bond while prosecutors prepare to take the case to trial. For now, he's the only family member officially tied to the crime, and investigators believe they've finally got Jay's killer behind bars. But what no one has caught on to yet is that Angelo isn't the one who pulled the trigger. He's just a scapegoat, taking the fall for a killer who's still free and quietly getting away with murder. A full year passes since Jay was tragically killed. His pregnant girlfriend, Elizabeth Baldinado, gives birth to his son in November 22. Her social media posts show a young woman trying to rebuild her life, sharing photos of her baby, spending
Starting point is 00:46:13 time with friends, and appearing to move on in a new relationship. On the surface, it seems like life is slowly returning to normal. Meanwhile, her brother Angelo remains in juvenile detention awaiting trial. The case seems closed and Jay's family begins to find closure, believing justice has finally been served. That is, until out of nowhere, police receive a phone call that changes everything. In March of 2003, a woman contacts detectives claiming she's been talking to Elizabeth's older brother Gilbert on Facebook, and according to her, he's just confessed to knowing exactly who killed Jay that day.
Starting point is 00:46:53 I've been kind of watching everything that goes on on Facebook, and I was able to see that Gabby was pretty hateful towards his mom, and so I figured maybe I could get him to say something about it, So I messaged him. Why is your brother locked up? Because my mom and him went to go fight my sister's baby daddy because he beat her. And when they got there, my sister's baby daddy tried to pull out a gun. But he got hit before he could even get his gun. But they put the murder on my brother.
Starting point is 00:47:22 I said that's real fucked up why they put it on your brother. He said supposedly witnesses were there and said it was him. And they say they also got video and that it looks like him in the video. But you can't see him. All you see is a big ass group. And then everybody scatters. I said, what the fuck your mom didn't tell nobody? It wasn't him.
Starting point is 00:47:41 He said, no. He said, the crazy part is my little brother ain't telling on my mom. So your mom did it and let your brother go down. And he said, yeah. I said, have you tried to tell your brother to tell? He said, yeah, but he tells me no, but that's how we was raised. No matter what the situation is, don't tell.
Starting point is 00:47:57 And if we do, we gotta face consequences. Needless to say, Gilbert's confession changes everything. Detectives already suspected Chavez's involvement in arranging the boxing fight, but no one imagined she was the one who pulled the trigger. Investigators begin to theorize that Chavez may have orchestrated the entire thing, luring Jay to the alley under the guise of a fight with her son, only to end it herself with a single shot to the head. But despite what sounds like a breakthrough, Detective Broussiaga knows she can't move too fast. Arresting Chavez now, based only on Gilbert's secondhand confession, could jeopardize the entire case. Without solid evidence, Chavez will be innocent in the eyes of the law. Over the next few months, investigators work quietly, monitoring jail calls between Chavez and
Starting point is 00:48:45 her son Angelo. Most of the conversations are vague. Small talk, cautious wording, but in one of the calls, Chavez makes an interesting statement. When Angelo asks why his brother Gilbert looks sad, Chavez replies, he's heartbroken, you're in there. I told him it's because I fucked up because I'm stupid, period. Hearing what sounds like an admission of guilt, Detective Bruce Yaga seizes the opportunity and visits Angelo at the detention center, hoping this time she can finally get the truth. When she meets with him, she doesn't have to do much convincing, because Angelo is already prepared to make a deal and save himself. If everything would be happening, what's hard now? What idea? At least the first
Starting point is 00:49:32 you drop one so we do the way to work around it so if you're wanting to now give a statement we can definitely schedule an appointment where it's me you and the attorney and then i'm more than while you talk to you then after angelo agrees to cooperate detectives quickly arrange a formal interview with him and his attorney present angelo ends up corroborating his brother gilbert's confession confirming that it was his mother who pulled the trigger and drove away from the scene. With both sons telling the same story, there's only one crucial piece missing to solve the case. A confession from Chavez herself. Without her own words, the defense could argue that the boys are lying or that their statements were coerced.
Starting point is 00:50:24 A few days later, an arrest warrant is issued, and Chavez is taken into custody. Detective Brousiaga brings her into an interrogation room determined to secure an admission. Not through confrontation this time, but through empathy. If the plan works, they'll finally close the case for good. But if Chavez sees through it, the interview will be over before it even begins. recognize me because we've met in the past more than once, okay? And regardless of what happened then, I'm not going to be rude to you, I'm not going to be disrespectful to you even though in the past, you weren't the nicest, right? But you're here and I'm not
Starting point is 00:51:23 going to be rude. And I expect the same kiddo. Fair? Obviously I know you were visiting Angelo. I know you were visiting Angelo. How is he doing? He's okay. Yeah. Okay. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:51:40 Mom. Because he's in there for no thing. He didn't do anything about. And I mean just in general, not. Just because you already know why you're here, you've been in handcuffs, We've been in the back of the cop car. Just now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:01 I'm going to read you your rights. Okay. Fair enough. Um, with that being said, what's going to happen now is I'm going to stop this interview. You're going to jail on two warrants. Okay, you do have an open count murder warrant and you do have, and I have to look at that one, the, to read you the exact, but it's a warrant, okay? And that's not mine, it's not for me to discuss, but that's what one of the warrant is for.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Okay? Unfortunately, things don't go according to plan. The moment Chavez realizes where the conversation is heading, she immediately shuts down the interview and asks for a lawyer. From here on, it's up to the court to decide whether the evidence against her is enough to prove what everybody already suspects. At the trial, prosecutors present the full scope of the case. phone records, surveillance footage of Chavez's car, the brothers' confessions, and the jail call recordings.
Starting point is 00:53:01 They argue that Chavez disapproved of the relationship between her daughter and Jay, and was motivated by anger over how he treated her. They also believe she calculated that her teenage son would face lighter consequences if he took the blame. As for her other children, Elizabeth and Gilbert, investigators determined that neither had any direct role in the shooting. Elizabeth in particular is found to have had no knowledge of her mother's deadly intentions. She withheld some information to protect her family, but was ultimately determined to be a victim caught in the middle. Eventually, Angelo Baldinado pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit first-degree murder and assault with intent to commit a felony, and is sentenced to remain in juvenile detention until age 21.
Starting point is 00:53:44 His mother, Chavez, pleads guilty to second-degree murder and, in May 2025, receives the maximum, penalty of 18 years in state prison. Chavez is also facing a separate charge related to child exploitation material found on her tablet during the investigation.

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