Dr. Insanity - Mom Discovers Her 13 Year Old Son Just Killed Someone

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Get your free, 30-second personalized assessment TODAY at https://pdsdebt.com/INSANITY --- Find our 4 exclusive episodes on TUBI here: https://tubitv.com/series/300021011/d... —- Police in Fairfax, Ohio respond to a shocking call involving 64-year-old Sheila Tenpenny. Detectives quickly turn their attention to her neighbors: 13-year-old Levi Carte and his twin brother Hunter, both fascinated by true crime and serial killers like Ted Bundy. As the investigation unfolds, a series of clues and unsettling discoveries force officers to question everything they thought they knew about this small town. --- This video was made for educational purposes only. The video is presented to provide genuine footage of police incidents to promote transparency in government while providing educational, informative and newsworthy content allowing viewers to examine and assess public safety material. This is a fact-checked documentary using authoritative sources. We are committed to accuracy in every case we cover. Because videos cannot be updated after publication, any corrections, clarifications, or new information will be documented on our official corrections page: https://corrections.drinsanity.com/Ask Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. How are you? How you're coming out? What's editing? I was editing, Dexter. What do you guys suspect or what do you guys know about what happened? Police are speaking with 13-year-old Hunter and his twin brother Levi.

And while they appear clueless now, one of them has just committed a gruesome murder. We need to talk to essentially each of you. And we're wondering if we can go down to the police department. I don't know what's going on. You're right. As the weeks-long investigation continues, detectives discover that these are no ordinary boys. One of them has spent years obsessively researching serial killers like Ted Bundy. Now he believes he's executed the perfect murder and can outsmart police.

But a series of childish mistakes would cause his violent fantasies to slowly come to light, leaving his family and the entire town in utter shock as the monster they feared, turns out to be a 13-year-old boy. Find that full. Yes. And he needs to die. It's not possible. There has to be someone who's not in evidence.

What happens now? He's only 13. There's two types of people in this world. You've got monsters? You've got people who make mistakes. If it's a murder, then it would be a monster, right? It's 2 a.m. in the small village of Fairfax, Ohio. And tonight, a 13-year-old boy decides.

this is the night he becomes a serial killer. For years, he's been obsessed with true crime content, and with his family preparing to move away the following week, he's finally ready to put everything he's learned into action. At 2.30 a.m., he slips out of his house and walks less than 10 feet to his neighbor's house next door. Once inside, the 13-year-old puts on a pair of gloves, something he learned on YouTube that would prevent him from leaving

behind his DNA. He moved silently through the house before approaching the bedroom of an elderly woman. At 2.40, he begins strangling her. But despite months of preparation, he quickly realizes this will be far more difficult than he expected, because when the woman wakes up, she fights back, punching and brutally scratching the boy's face. But just minutes later, the woman is dead, killed at the hands of a little boy. At 3.15 a.m., he's back in his own bed as if nothing ever happened. It's just past 11 a.m. on a Sunday. Many Fairfax residents are returning home from church when the Fairfax police receive a 911 call,

unlike anything they've heard in years. 911, what's okay to have your emergency? 3919 Germania. I think my sisters might have been murdered and it might be some blood. I don't know. She did not respond when I yelled at her. All right, sir, I have help coming out there for her, okay? of anybody that might want a farmer or anything like that?

Absolutely nobody. On the line, his 61-year-old Daryl Tenpenny, insisting his sister had been murdered, something almost unheard of in this area. Moments later, first responders arrive at the house, unaware they're not only walking into a carefully staged crime scene, but that the killer is still nearby watching police's every move. Yeah, we'll go ahead get it out. do we can't confiscation stuff here is it confirmed hey i don't know if he believes this is the

murder so camera on it's all it's been on since i hit the mine whites hold rigor just try to touch this leases you guys can do what you guys got to do yeah no i don't see you got blood did he did he cover her up i don't know the cat the dispatch said that he found her with a pillow over top her i don't know about A peroxin cleaning chemicals? It's different. A lot of cleaning chemicals. Hocelizmal.

Did you drink it? I don't know. Let me go. You want the monitor? We have rigor. On the bed lies 64-year-old Sheila Tenpenny, partially clothed and deceased for what appears to have been several hours. As officers continue to inspect the house, they notice nothing appears to be stolen,

supporting their working theory that, theory that Sheila may have taken her own life and with that assumption comes the first accidental success for the 13-year-old killer convincing him he's already outsmarted the police however what officers spot next would flip this theory upside down it's just a female dealway under mania just kind of odd hello over her face and just a chemical hair underneath your finger blood splatter around the bed the guy the founder said the door was open and said to, he told the squad that he thinks she was murdered. So, I don't see blood from her.

So that might not be on her. Who knows? That's police work, man. I don't mean over set. No, you're good. Hills? Yeah. I mean, it's possible.

Yeah. While the blood and hair beneath Sheila's fingernails certainly raise suspicions, investigators still refuse to roll out the possibility of this being seen. self-inflicted. But before they send Sheila's body for autopsy, there's still something that doesn't sit right with them. They're baffled by how certain the victim's brother, Darrell, seemed that his sister had been assaulted before paramedics had even suggested that possibility. And with that statement alone, he has unknowingly made himself their first suspect, so they decide to ask him a few questions.

How you know, sir? I mean, I was saying not great. I'm Officer for a fact police department. When's the last time that you, that you know yesterday, do you know what time about or did you talk to her or see her? I see her and actually 7.09 p.m. is the last message I got from her. Is there any, was there anything, was she struggling with anything? I mean mentally, physically, nothing at all? She's pretty happy. Okay, so you made a comment to these guys when they first got here that you thought, like she first? Well, she's laying on the bed. We were legs, spread. and it looked like there was blood and her head was had stuff on top of like they someone tried to smother

and she looked like they ripped her thing up and i yelled at her and she didn't see no moving from her whatsoever and i just turned around and walked out i'm like i didn't interestingly darrell never mentions performing CPR and while police now know it likely wouldn't have saved shila that's not something darrell would have known for sure and right here comes the second low lucky break for the teen killer, because every good murder needs a fall guy, and the police have just taken the bait with Darrell. Shortly afterwards, Daryl's interview wraps up, the scene is secured, and officers return to the station to await the autopsy results. But as investigators leave the house, they would overlook a crucial piece of evidence. Lying beneath Sheila Tenpenny's body was a men's

wristwatch, a seemingly insignificant detail that would later become one of the key pieces of evidence used to solve the entire case. One week passes, and then comes the update investigators have been waiting for. The forensic and DNA results arrive, completely overturning their initial assumptions. Investigators determined that Sheila Tenpenny had suffered blunt force trauma to the head and neck

before ultimately being strangled to death. But they also confirmed something crucial. Sheila had managed to fight back. On her hands and beneath her fingernails are traces of blood and tough stuff. of hair, DNA belonging to an unknown male. With these disturbing findings, there is no longer any question. This is a homicide. So early Monday morning, officers returned to the neighborhood, going door to door in search of anyone Sheila may have wronged, and anyone with fresh defensive

wounds. But in reality, the detectives couldn't be more off track. While the young killer quietly brags about the murder online, growing more confident by the hour, knowing the victim had absolutely no enemies. And as police begin surveying the neighborhood, they have no idea which interaction will bring them face-to-face with Sheila's killer. So you're one of the trusted family members. What we're doing is getting elimination DNA from anybody we talk to as long as you're willing. Thank you very much.

And then how about your hand? Just let me double check your hands. I know you work with them on the other side. Yeah, that's great. I can't believe they haven't got a lead or anything. There's a lot going on, I'll say. So this is just part of the process. Here's my card before I forget, in case you have anything else or need to reach out.

I email and phone numbers on there. Find that full. Yes, and he needs to die. Yeah. Capital punishment. I wish we did that more often, to be honest with you. Yeah, I mean, you know, if it gets out, he's going to do it again. You can't cure that.

You don't fix that. You don't fix that. I agree. Okay, you're good there. I'm going to come up here soon. I know this is a pain in the ass, man, but I definitely appreciate it. So you guys think this is a random thing? I want to say no.

I do. Well, but from one I've heard, you know, the guy down in that new house over there and a couple others, I've been out here having my cigarette. I hear, I think the brother did it. They're going to arrest him in a couple three days. I'm like, what? They think the brother did it, I don't know. Why, any reason why they think that?

No, no. That's just a speculation right now. That's interesting. After speaking with more than a dozen people, officers uncover a major new rumor. Many in the village suspect Sheila's own brother, Darryl, is responsible. With this, as their only real lead, another team of officers led by Special Agent Richard Ward makes a surprise visit to Daryl's house, less than a mile away. And for the actual killer, the plan appears to be working even better than he imagined.

Suspicion has successfully shifted onto Sheila's own family member, pulling detectives completely off his trail as they begin focusing in on Daryl. For now, though, officers have just arrived at Daryl's house, where it would soon become clear just how lucky the kid got and why Daryl makes the perfect fall guy. I'm still getting me to lose my mother, and I have a tie. I know, I know, Derek. I'm scraping anything out. And now I've got... What we're dealing with? Oh, you aren't lying.

And all these over here, all these boxes. Where do you hang out at? Come in here. Oh. Hey, I need to ask you a favor. Just I want to, remember I got your swabs? I need you one more thing. Could you just show me your shirt underneath your shirt that you don't,

I just want to make sure I want to satisfy myself. I don't think you would ever hurt anybody. No. Okay, go ahead. Okay, so you have any idea when the funeral is going to be? They won't release the body yet? I don't know. Nobody's contact this.

I was going to contact, I was going to see you a message this morning to say, we are okay with that because we want this person caught. Right. Suffice it to say, Detective Ward is taken aback by Daryl's unusual living situation, but still, no scratches. And so the investigation takes a step back. There is seemingly no one they can tie to the murder. No enemies, no leads, nothing. But that's because they're looking at this crime completely the wrong way.

With the investigation at a standstill, officers canvassing the area continue knocking on doors until they reach the neighbor directly across the street, just 50 feet from the victim's home. It's one of the homes where no one answered earlier. And as they approach the front door, the homeowner, Rebecca, steps outside. unaware that in the next few minutes her life is about to be turned upside down. So I don't know when it actually happened. I know that we saw like the trucks on our cars or whatever on Sunday.

So actually Sunday morning at like 6 a.m. I, we had to run to the ER because my son, the cat, I guess, was sleeping on his face and they started with each other in the dark. Oh, man. And it scratched them. And so we were worried that. It could be bad or infected. Is you okay?

Yeah, he's fine. Okay. It wasn't a big deal, but it was just like traumatizing, and I was like, everybody got in the car. Just a few feet away, 13-year-old Levi Cart looks through the living room window and notices his mother speaking with police officers. Panicking, he pauses the YouTube video he was watching, runs up to his room and locks the door. Back outside, officers begin piecing things together. The boy with fresh scratches across his body could very well be tied to Sheila's murder. In a few moments, detectives will step inside to follow up on this lead,

but what they will soon find will defy their expectations. Do you care if we come in or you want them to come? Okay. Thank you. The only reason we're outside of guys, really, just out of them. All right, I do take you cat felt so. A problem. Come on in.

Hey, guys. Hello. You want to come back here or no? With water. Um, I haven't been really transparent about you have to cross the street and people who are investigating and are talking to everybody. And they just want to talk everybody goes. Hey, Bob, can I talk to you?

Do you want to talk in the live room or do you want to talk in your room? There are people who are here, no, they're talking about. Um, something in the out of the next to you earlier to see. I know, what game are you playing over there? You're gaming? Yeah, yes. Dexter? Oh, he's, uh, he's cap cutting.

Oh, editing. Oh, hi. Oh, I. Now you are Hunter. Hunter. Do you want to come sit down? Yeah. Naturally, this is not the suspect the detectives were hoping to see.

As 13-year-old Hunter Cart enters the room, realizing they may have jumped to conclusions, the detectives still begin to question the boy. Perhaps he knows something after all. The one is the of your criminal investigation and we're just talking to people to see if they might have heard or seen anything unusual that happened over the weekend?

Um, no. Uh... That's right. Sorry? What you just thought we to ask? Yeah. Yeah. Um, my brother got into an injury

and he had to go to the ER. I got really sick and started vomiting and stuff. How are you feeling? A lot better. That's good. That whole day was just kind of a blur for everybody. Unless it's something that happened a long time ago, that's memorable. It's not really something I remember unless it like is really, really brought up.

Although Hunter is unable to provide any new details, he seems fairly cooperative and willing to help. His twin brother Levi, on the other hand, is still in his room, refusing to be. refusing to come out. Earlier their mother had mentioned Levi was editing Dexter, a crime drama centered around a vigilante serial killer, a show both detectives are all too familiar with. And it's here that detectives would begin to realize their initial hunch about Rebecca's sons may not have been a coincidence after all. Yeah, it's usually never quick, but that's actually pretty quick. Hello.

How are you? What's you editing? I was editing Dexter. Sometimes I edit it. Yeah, but he likes to make videos for TikTok. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. Is that the cat that got you there on the nose?

I don't know. I don't know what happened. We just, we both starled each other because my bed was right there. Yeah, his bed was out here until all the lights were off. Oh, okay. So we've been knowing for a while that we needed to, though we needed to cut their nails. Hunter's been saying that for a long time. I fell so guilty because I have to do that.

So us moving, I mean, we know, everybody knows that cats just are awkward. So us moving, uh, marshmallow being weird because they're moving and... Is marshmallow the cat? Yes. And we had a play set for them and they re-packed it up and they, we packed it up. So that's also probably another thing. So yeah, me and him just randomly saw each other. He scraped me on the neck.

I'm not sure if you can see you. No. Where else did you get it? He kind of scraped me on my face a little bit. Five. And then mainly my nose. And I was trying to clean my... Yeah.

There's stitches? Yeah, five stitches? It was pretty deep. Pretty deep. It hurts. We went back to the house after we got out of the doctor, and then that's when we saw the ambulances. I don't know, a lot of it's a blur because I tried to clean myself up, so I was distracted in the shower. Interestingly, both brothers used the same word, blur, when recalling the incident.

And while traumatic events, even something like death of a neighbor, can affect memory, what catches officers attention far more is the Wayne Levi seems to over-explain what happened. He claims the deep scratches came from a fight with a house cat, something officers find difficult to believe given the severity of the wounds. So with this in mind, detectives believe that despite their young age, the brothers have given them enough probable cause to take the next step. The detectives asked to speak with Rebecca outside for a moment, where they request permission to collect DNA from both of her sons. Without much hesitation, she agrees. But when

the three of them return, one of the brothers would have a very different reaction to being tested. Do you mind if I come, I can explain it to you? Yeah. He's feeling a little overwhelmed by this. Yeah, I just feel like I don't, I've been to enough doctors recently. I don't want to- Have you seen any like crime shows or anything, you know how we kind of do our job? The medical stuff's a little different than the law enforcement stuff. but I don't know if she explains you but we're just gonna swab your cheek and it's not gonna go in any database or anything but we're gonna compare it against stuff that we

have that makes sense and it will take two seconds it's just do I have to do it you don't have to do anything okay but obviously we're asking everybody on the street and it would be super helpful if you could right all right okay and you're Levi writer. Willis? It'll be easier if you sit down for your likes? Yeah, I'll do it first. I can do it.

You're making him doing the hot-skirts? I can be the guinea pig too, it's whatever. Of course I can't make that all the way for it. The detectives proceed to take DNA swabs from both brothers, though Hunter and Rebecca are clearly far more willing to cooperate than Levi. But what one of the brothers doesn't seem to realize is, that the more he talks, the more the Cart brothers begin to look less like witnesses and more like suspects.

Lewis has a few scars on his back, but it's just from a surgeon. Yeah, it's my... Oh, let's see. Oh yeah, you could show them. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Well, it looks pretty mentally evasive. It was two years ago.

Yeah. Yeah, I was a lot. Yeah, I had more scars than that. Yeah, it didn't look like that. Sorry again. I keep mentioning things that, you know, my surgeon, not your permission. I find it for a lot. How does feel like to have to have any scars like that.

Stevenson it's where they go in and they test each nerve root that links to your like what do you guys suspect or what do you guys know about what happens well I can tell you this it shouldn't happen and we need to figure out why it happened so that you know hopefully we can keep it from happening again because we'd hate to miss some evidence and if you've watched any TV we don't want to be those cops that forgot to do this or look into that we have watched plenty you know what I They love watching the true crimes. It's kind of like community, but it's a lot differently.

Me and my brother, especially my brother, know a lot. I would say definitely my brother knows a lot about just the police in general. He wants to go into the Marines when he gets all the old. Yeah. Well, recruitment is always there. Everybody's looking for. Yeah. I mean, if my visibility, I don't get.

Yeah, there's a spot for everybody, in my opinion. Me and Lois have both agreed that him especially is a lot more mature than most kids are age. Oh, so you can handle this news? You guys are handling it pretty well. Yes. Yeah. Strangely, Hunter continues offering interesting details without being prompted, insisting that the teen brothers are far more mature than most kids their age.

And when he brings up Levi's injuries, Levi begins to be able to be able to be able to becomes visibly uncomfortable, giving his brother a long, chilling stare. By the end of the interview, the twins no longer seem like ordinary kids to the detectives. Their fascination with true crime, gory shows like Dexter, foggy memory, and, of course, the hard-to-explan cat scratches on Levi all point towards something deeply unsettling. With DNA collected, investigators returned to the station to brief the sergeant on everything they've uncovered. Now all they can do is wait for the DNA results from Daryl, the Cart twins, and several neighbors and family friends to come back the following day. Still believing a deranged killer may be at work,

investigators know that until he or they are caught, no one in this quiet village is truly safe. The next day, the DNA results finally come in, and investigators are stunned. Both of Rebecca's sons are a match, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were both at the scene. According to the forensic analyst, the lab cannot tell Levi's DNA apart from hunters because identical twins share the same STR markers. Needless to say, investigators are now facing an extraordinarily rare problem. But even with these findings, detective struggled to process the facts that the suspects are only 13 years old. Not only would they have to be deeply disturbed, but they would also need the physical strength to carry out a crime this violent. Then again,

their age could also work in the investigator's favor. Teenagers' are more likely to slip up, confess to friends or family, or leave evidence of their actions somewhere online. The problem is, detectives have enough probable cause for a search warrant, but not enough to formally detain Rebecca or either brother, something they absolutely cannot let the family realize. Nevertheless, they return to the family home, hoping they can persuade Rebecca to bring her sons to the station, allowing investigators to begin searching the house the moment they leave. But the situation is incredibly done. One wrong move could spook the family and shut down the entire investigation.

Hello. Hi, we're back, yeah. How are you? You have your keys in the door. We just walked in the house. Do you need to come in? What's going on? Yeah, that would be great.

We have a couple things to talk about. Okay. Hi, guys. We just got down to eat. What you guys get? Thanks. Do you just name me or? Yeah.

So are all three of you here are all three here yeah Louis you go upstairs? It's making me feel nervous you're okay you're good yeah you want to take you see somewhere okay I'm gonna go put down put it a little less weird

yeah you guys are good do you guys want to sit down here you be more comfortable Hey Lewis sure did you get Cates too? Yes we literally just watched in the door We need to talk to essentially each of you, and we're wondering if we can go down to the police department. We have a better area to talk. Okay.

So if you guys want, let's put some shoes and socks on, maybe a coat, and then we'll head that way. Clearly, detectives didn't arrive with a strong plan and are instead relying heavily on improvisation. Somehow though, despite not having their answers fully prepared, they appear to be succeeding in getting the family to the station voluntarily, but that can only work for so long before someone catches on. Do we need to be getting lawyers or something? I'm feeling nervous about this. You're welcome to call an attorney. Also, like, do we have to go?

It's just like a right now thing or? We would like you two. Yes. It would make, yeah, you don't have to do anything, I suppose. Right. I feel uncomfortable. We get, how about we, we get there, we can explain kind of what's going on, give you some more info. You can always, you know. Okay.

Well, do you want to explain what's going on before we head out there? Do you mind if we do that outside? Sure. Sure. Do you guys want to wait a second? Is that what you mean? All three of you outside, if possible. Okay.

We just need, we need to go over some things in the neighborhood. with you and ma'am we could go back to here so we don't have to sit in the rain yeah and we got some some pitches i want to show you and i'll show you and your sons and there's a bunch of stuff we want to talk to you about so you guys good are we under suspicion for something or we just want to talk to you i think you guys can help us clear a lot of things up around here so okay all right all right Alright, let's go. Hey, John. Yes, sir.

And he'll ride with you. Okay, that works. Before we get it, I just got to make sure there's nothing on you. It's going to stick me, poke me, cut me. Yep. All right, next. You want to step over there to him right there. All right, you can just have a seat right there for me.

You have to put this on you for the whole three blocks we're driving. Yeah. You have to put this on you for the whole three blocks we're driving. Probably we'll put them, so. I mean, but there's nothing that we can't talk about. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. Maybe why.

It's all very, very unexpected. My anxiety levels went through the roof. Oh. I don't know why there's so many, like, police vehicles either. Yeah, that's definitely what scared me. Seeing all the cops immediately pull up, like, one person's there, didn't see if that helicopter pull up, I was just like, why are they, what's the reason for that?

I'm sure, I don't know, maybe it's an intimidation tactic? I guess, but what are they trying to intimidate us? Right. Miraculously, despite the detective's sloppy handling of the situation and Rebecca's growing skepticism, they still managed to convince the family to come to the station. For now, they've purposely kept the twins together, hoping the cameras might catch something incriminating. But the brothers have seen this tactic before.

and say nothing. Foolishly convinced they're outsmarting the police. Investigators have also just confiscated their phones and obtained house keys from Rebecca, allowing them to begin searching the home for any evidence tying the boys to the crime. But despite these small victories, this is where detectives would face a major reality check about their strategy. Upon arriving at the station, the twins are quietly escorted through a separate entrance and separated from their mother. The twins don't seem particularly worried, calmly following detectives into the interrogation rooms. But for Rebecca, the situation is very different,

because the moment she's finally informed that her sons are about to be questioned without her present, all hell breaks loose. I don't want food. I want our lawyer and have my children stop being questioned. Without the lawyer present immediately. Okay. So let's make that happen.

I don't know who. You know who's doing this? What? Where? No, but I can go get that figured out for you. We need this happen right now. Okay. Yeah, okay. I got it.

We just got home from the doctor's office in the James. So comfy. They are comfy. Amazon? Not, uh, yeah. I find you press things on Amazon. People are so against them. Really, I know you're being friendly.

I need to know my children are not being questioned. No. They have a lawyer. You didn't let us know that we're being detained. You're not being detained. You're free to go. No. You didn't let us know that.

that you were detaining my children. They're free to leave. You did not, right now, they're allowed to leave right now. Let's go, right now. Right now, you said they're allowed to leave. Yes or no? You cannot take them.

Clearly, this is not how detectives hoped things would go. Rebecca is furious. And not without reason. The detective just admitted that the boys are free to leave, yet does nothing when Rebecca demands exactly that. On top of that, her phone has been confiscated, making it impossible for her to even call the lawyer. It's here that the risk behind the detective's strategy, or lack thereof, becomes impossible to ignore. The advantage of this approach is that by withholding the real reason the boys are there,

detectives limit the information the suspects can tailor their stories to, making contradictions and inconsistencies much easier to catch later. That said, when those suspects are minors and detectives need their mother, mother's cooperation, this strategy can quickly backfire, undermining trust and damaging the legitimacy of the entire process. And unsurprisingly, Rebecca's outrage is only beginning as she storms out of the interrogation room in search of anyone willing to tell her what's really going on. Are you accusing them of murder? I am not.

Is that why they're being detained because they're under suspicion for murder? They're a question to find out if they know any additional details about them. How would they know anything? Unless you were accusing them of murder and you think that they murdered someone. So that's hard for sure. I'm saying this whole charade, this whole, the way we've gone about this and approached it and slowly showed things to me because I've asked questions and not because you are transparent is not okay. It literally just says we have the ability to search all of your belongings. It doesn't say, for what reason would they want to search a book? It says for murder.

because we're investigating the murder of the neighbor. And my 13-year-olds have not murdered any. Okay, well, we're trying to find further information that was disavowed yesterday to put the pieces together. So I'm not going to be told anything. Well, am I not being questioned? We would love to talk to you if you would be willing to talk. I'm literally standing here waiting. Well, we were trying to talk to you, but you want to make phone calls and do all those things.

If you'd like to talk, we can talk. No, you're well aware. I'm safe. Hey. So a lot and nothing because about telling me anything. I would assume because I asked for a lawyer for the boys. He's saying because we talked yesterday. I'm asking him.

Sorry, I'm really working. I know. I understand. I understand. You have every right to be working up. I'm just trying to sort it out. All right. So under what grounds are they being questioned?

What prompted them? There was a morgue down. Half of the cross the street. I understand that. But what specifically about our boys is causing you guys to bring them to the station for questioning. Those details I don't know because those investigators know more about that than I do. Are there other are you guys bringing in every neighbor to we did 25 yesterday I know myself and another

agent to in to the station well I don't know how many people got brought here this is we're also doing a search warrant to so judge has granted us search warrant for her house and who else well the the search warrant is for the house and the vehicle on the property our house and vehicle Okay, were there other search warrants for... Not the number. You guys are questioning two 13-year-old boys. Well, we're not.

Someone is. You're absolutely correct, but I don't know what I'm saying. I do. This is why we need, are Larry down here now, we need to make this happen. I don't have a phone. So this needs to happen on your end, immediately, whoever we call. After getting little to no answers from the detectives,

the twins' father calls a love. hoping he can intervene. But even with legal counsel now on the way, detectives press forward with the interviews, fully aware of the risk they're taking. At the same time, ever since the boys left with the police, a search of their home has been underway, and very soon it will begin yielding crucial evidence for the interrogations. As both brothers wait for their interrogations to begin, it quickly becomes clear that one of them is about to be treated very differently, because Hunter had to be treated very differently, Because Hunter had been significantly more talkative the day before, detectives opt for a more casual, friendly approach.

And even his interrogation room reflects that. Levi, on the other hand, is placed in a cold, cramped room, subjected to the kind of interrogation tactics typically reserved for an adult suspect. Based on the scratch marks alone, detectives strongly suspect Levi is the killer. But there is still nothing ruling out the possibility that Hunter may have helped him, especially after learning that Levi has significant mobility issues. Now with a lawyer on the way to the station and two furious parents pacing outside, the clock is ticking. So detectives split into two groups to question the boys simultaneously.

And as the questioning begins, Hunter's interview escalates far quicker than expected, because there's something he needs to get off his chest. Just sitting on, I don't feel pressure if you're on. Of course I feel a little pressured, but I don't feel like I have to sign those. Okay. I just know it's more suspicion is put on me if I don't answer any questions. Yeah, we're here to talk, ask questions, get your story, I know you told Warren a little bit. Can I say sorry?

Yeah. I want to say, I don't think my brother would you ever do anything like that. But because that day he got scratches on his face, because of that day he, it all seemed like a very wide coincidence. You know, because, of course, his cat was face, his fat, his face was scratched by a cat. We talked about it, and it certainly looks like Lewis has some, like, the coincidences are there. At this early stage of the interview, Hunter, completely unprompted, begins talking about the scratch wounds, which he believes are the most concrete evidence against his brother. But while he frames it as a coincidence, back at the house,

police executing the search warrant noticed something that immediately casts doubt on the story. On Rebecca's bed, they find the family cat, marshmallow, sitting completely calm. But more importantly, the cat's claws seem far too small to match the injuries on Levi. This information is relayed back to detectives at the station where Hunter and Levi are being interviewed. And while Hunter appears eager to talk, Levi's interview is moving far more slowly, as detectives focus on building rapport and choosing their words extremely carefully. So seeing just how much more talkative Hunter is, investigators keep their focus on him for now, hoping he can offer further insight into his brother, or perhaps even turn on him.

He had extra, like, red scratch marks on his face. I mean, that seems obvious suspicious, but... Like I said, I don't think you could do something like that. I'm going to keep saying this, but this makes me feel really upset because a lot of evidence is piled up against him. But, like, I mean, I don't know if you guys suspect him of anything. But I truly don't believe he could do anything like that, even though he has all these things. He's never talked about anything like that we feel. Because we agree with you hurting somebody or when he gets triggered, he gets upset and acting out and just saying things.

Or, you know, I don't know how he behaves when he's triggered. No, no, like I said, no, he doesn't behave weirdly when triggered. He just doesn't, he's just quiet. It's upsetting for him. Like he started crying when he got back to this house because he said he never gave us an explanation as to why he's triggered. Interestingly, although Hunter describes the suspicious behavior he's noticed from his brother, he continues to insist that Levi could not actually be responsible for the murder. But detectives can't tell whether his reaction is genuine or part of a calculated effort to distance himself from the crime.

At this stage, though, they're fairly certain Levi is the culprit and decide it's time to stop speculating and focus on something more concrete. So they turned to a key piece of evidence Hunter can't deny, something they had kept hidden from the twins. A watch recovered from beneath Sheila's body. One investigators initially dismissed, but now strongly suspect belongs to one of the two boys. And whether he realizes it or not, what he says next would see other fate. Do you recognize that? That's Loisw's watch. Notice his watch?

Yeah. Okay. All right. What do you think about that? What do you mean? Here, let me widen it out. That's the picture. What do you see if that's a picture out?

Try to get some deep grass with there. We don't have any of those blankets. Right. It's not your house. No, I remember him saying that he lost his watch. And when did he say that? After he, after he got home... Also, he...

I'll show you one more picture. He sounded, the way he said, the way he said i don't know where i watch this i don't feel a person would say that a person say it that way knowing that you know they were their watchman if they did them are you say he purposely hurt we don't we don't know what he said you know what his purpose was we just know if he made a mistake how would he even do that he's disabled how would he sneak out of the house Get into the house, stab somebody. Is it true that he, that, that, them?

Is that true? We, did you find DNA evidence? We're not gonna, yeah, so. There's no way he would do that. There's some stuff that happened that we can't give you details. There's no way. You have to have, there's no way. If he, there's no way, it's not plausible.

It needs to be some of blooded evidence. It has to be some misunderstanding. At the thought of his own brother being responsible for the murder, Hunter appears to completely break down. Detectives realize he's now too emotional and overwhelmed to provide any more reliable information. So they decide to end the interview. Despite failing to secure a confession and not fully ruling him out as a suspect, still, they've learned something important. more insight into Levi and confirmation that his watch was indeed at the scene.

But just outside the interrogation room, the boys' parents continue arguing with deputies. And with a lawyer coming to intervene, investigators are running out of time. If they want to secure an admission before the interview is shut down, they know they need to raise the stakes with Levi. So the detectives interviewing him finally move on from building rapport and shift the conversation to the scratches, testing whether his explanation matches the one he gave the day before. Do you know what we're investigating?

Mm-hmm. I mean, I know something happened on the street. Across the store across the street in front of me. Right. A woman was murdered, right? So we're trying to find out what happened. I mean, I've already talked to FBI investigators. My cat had randomly woke me up with all the lights off, like, sitting there.

sitting on my, sitting on my neck. So it like scratched my face. I felt very bloody, obviously. There's a lot of scraps on me. Usually because my disability as well, used like a shower chair. Yeah, yeah. Because I can't really stand for that long

without getting like super fatigued and falling or like walking around for too long. I didn't use a shower chair because I didn't want to make a bunch of noise didn't make anybody up. Right, right. So I ended up literally falling, and I fell and like hit my head on the, on the tower hose.

Where did you hit it in? I think like around here, like right here. Really? So I don't know how- Is that caused you to bleed more? Yes. Yes. As Levi once again over-explains the incident, detectives notice he makes a point of emphasizing that the injury

became worse after he slipped in the shower. But something else in Levi's account immediately stands out. After mentioning his medical condition, detectives recall reviewing his records and discovering that Levi has cerebral palsy. This brings the detectives back to an earlier question. Not only is Levi just 13 years old, but his disability raises serious doubts about whether he was even physically capable of carrying out such a violent attack on his own, especially considering Shila fought back.

Investigators know Hunter is physically stronger, has no disability, and shares many of the same interests in true crime as his brother Levi. At this point, detectives are realizing they may have prematurely cleared Hunter, treating him more like a witness than a suspect, and in doing so may have lost their chance to implicate him. But with the pressure mounting on Levi, this may be the perfect opportunity for him to turn on his brother. And for the first time during his interview, the bond between the twins, is about to be truly tested. We get in in like 15 minutes, 15 minutes later. Mom started seeing a bunch of sirens outside.

And she opens the window and she's like, oh my god, something happens to Denise. And me already in a like a panicked weird state, I kind of started feeling emotionally triggered. And when she said there was a bunch of animals outside, She were I more. I just felt even worse because mom had said that something had happened to Denise, our neighbor, right in front of us. And I started feeling even worse just to the fact that the same night that something happened or something like that had happened that I had an injury of my own.

Although Levi never directly blames his twin brother for the murder, he seems more focused on how bad the situation already looks for him. And as the interview continues, it would only get worse. Because detectives begin receiving critical updates from the house search that is still ongoing, and officers have started uncovering disturbing items. Inside Levi's bedroom, officers recover a journal containing violent writing and repeated references of wanting to kill someone. They also uncover a growing obsession with serial killers, books, online content, and material saved focused on infamous murderers, and in particular, Ted Bundy. Detectives begin to realize this was far more than just a morbid curiosity. Over time, what began as an interest in true crime had evolved into something far darker for Levi.

And now, detectives are left trying to determine whether this interest in violence had consumed them both. Because Levi and Hunter are twins, the blood DNA recovered at the scene is consistent with both of them. Something detectives choose to intentionally keep from Levi. Instead, they plan to tell him that the DNA points specifically to him, hoping this pressure will make him crack. But if Levi is the criminal genius he thinks he is, he will easily be able to see through the detective's bluff. So you said you've never been in Denise's house, never been...

Okay, do you know what DNA is? You ever heard of it? I've heard of it. Okay, so we're trying to figure out, and I want you to help me explain this, okay, why your blood would be in Denise's house. That's what we're trying to figure out. Well, I'm not sure, because, I don't know, like, how is it my blood? Like...

That's what we're trying to find out. Because I don't know, I don't know why it would be in my house. I mean, in her house. Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out. That's why we're even here right now. Oh. Remember we got those swabs from you? Mm-hmm.

Well, we compared that to the blood in the house, and it's not only her blood, it's your blood mixed in with it. Wow. Through DNA testing. I don't know what explanation I could give you or even come up with. That would be equivalent to,

how that would happen. There's only one person here that knows that you. How do you know that? Because there's no other way that part of you can be in that house without you never being in there. I can agree with that.

Right? So that's why I just need an explanation as to how. I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it. You know? Well, I have to wrap my brain around at first. Yeah. so that's we need to wrap around together you know can you help you if you help me I can't if you help you you help you by telling me the truth I told you this year though I don't think you're telling me all the truth what I don't know I mean well I think you're about how you

get hurt I we have your blood in her house and we're trying to to figure out how it got there that's the bottom line well that's the bottom line I mean true get my blood from somewhere we didn't don't need your blood we got swabs I just mean like did you did somebody put my blood in the house for a reason oh I don't know would you tell me would they I didn't put your blood I didn't put your blood there I mean I'm only 13 I don't know why anybody would put my blood in a house but I mean Is there any more questions you have for me or like what?

Well, I just, I want to get past this and we're not getting past it. You don't know? I don't know. So we're not resolving anything. Well, I'm not sure if we can resolve it if I don't know and you don't know. This, you know? I mean, listen, I wholeheartedly believe that there's two types of people in this world. You've got monsters?

You've got people who make mistakes. I think I just don't. with that person? Help us explain this. What do you disagree with about that thing? I just think that, you know, there's a lot of different types of people in the world. There's not monsters and people who commit mistakes. Well, I'm simplifying things.

In terms of, you know, a crime, a murder, right? There's two types of people who would commit a murder. There's a monster, and there's people who make mistakes. Like his example of the... They're carried away. If it's a murder, then it would be a monster, right? Not necessarily. You don't think of it?

No. Still believing he's in control of the situation, Levi never asks for a lawyer or even his mother, and unsurprisingly, fails to catch the detective's bluff about his DNA. But while Levi remains convinced he's outsmarted the police, he has no idea that, while the evidence uncovered in his room is already damning enough, what detectives are about to find on his phone will destroy,

any chance of walking free, because before long, detectives would receive the final and most crucial breakthrough in the investigation. After searching the brother's phones and social media activity, it begins to uncover a disturbing picture. Just one day after the murder, Levi writes, this one was a fighter, and detectives realize this wasn't a spur-of-the-moment act. Levi had been planning a murder for months, with searches of how to choose the perfect victim, how to strangle someone, and how to defeat a police interrogation. And they would uncover even more evidence tying Levi directly to the scene. Not only was the watch confirmed to be Levi's, but inside his room, they discovered a shirt covered in Sheila's blood and gloves matching the ones from the crime scene. Now, even without

a full confession, detectives know they have enough evidence to formally charge him. With this, both interrogations finally come to an end, and as a detective steps out to inform the parents that one of their young sons is an alleged killer, all they can do is stand in shock, silently waiting to hear their son's fate. Mom? Yeah, this is their dad. Dad. Yeah, I'm a Special Agent Award with B Spiro criminal investigation. We've seen two of my colleagues here, my other colleague. Now this is something we're going to tell you that we have that are bad.

Okay. All right, that watch that we showed you was under her body. What? What? Yes. Tell me. Okay. I don't know what in the world happened.

We're not talking him anymore. I mean, he doesn't want to really talk anymore. I don't know what happened. happened? Well, we have a lot of other evidence, too. I'm just trying to figure out what the world happened. I don't know. I'm not doing this, too. I don't think you are. I'm just trying to do my job. I'm in shock. What happens now? I'm insulting with his other than to county prosecutor's office. He's only 13. My God. I'm so straight. I never. There's no way you're going to know him.

After finally learning what their son had done, Levi's family are left to come to terms with a devastating reality. With the overwhelming evidence against him, on November 10, 2025, Levi Kartt ultimately pleads guilty to aggravated murder, aggravated burglary, and strangulation in the killing of Sheila Tenpenny. And because of his age, Levi receives the maximum sentence allowed under juvenile law. He will remain in a juvenile facility until he turns 21, meaning he is expected to be released in 2003. But for Sheila's family, the outcome still doesn't feel like justice. Under juvenile sentencing laws, Levi cannot legally remain incarcerated beyond that age. And at Levi's sentencing, the lead investigator warned the court telling the judge he made a mistake. It was good luck for us that he did.

But in the future, is he going to learn from those mistakes? That's what I'm concerned about. For the detectives involved in the investigation, there remains a terrifying possibility that Sheila was not the end of Levi's violence, but only the beginning of what he could be capable of. And while this case left Ohio shaken by a killer no one ever expected, our next case unfolds somewhere danger is never supposed to reach. Inside St. Vincent North Hospital,

more than a dozen gunshots sent patients and doctors into lockdown, as SWAT officers move floor by floor searching for the shooter. You know what? That way. Just go that way. With one person already dead, more than 70 rooms, and a maze of hallways to secure, police are forced into an intense race to stop the gunman before he finds another victim. To watch this exclusive Doctor Insanity episode, along with three more episodes from our new Tooby series, click the link below and check it out now for free on Tooby.