Dr. Insanity - Moments After Brutally Killing His Neighbor

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

What began as an argument over speed limits quickly spiraled into a shocking road rage shooting that left one man dead in the street. Gonzales doesn’t know it yet, but a nearby security camera had captured the moment the true victim had been brutally gunned down. This video was made for educational purposes only. The video is presented to provide genuine footage of police incidents to promote transparency in government while providing educational, informative and newsworthy content allowing viewers to examine and assess public safety material. This is a fact-checked documentary using authoritative sources. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This guy's a fucking weirdo. This is 44-year-old Joseph Gonzalez, mere minutes after killing a man in broad daylight. What began as an argument over speed limits quickly spiraled into a shocking road rage shooting that left one man dead in the street. I'm not, I'm not... I know, we, we, the only, the only questions... How does a victim get put in the back of a vehicle? I'm not charged with the crime.

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Oh, this is very simple. You guys are making it more than what it is. Someone's threatened my life. What am I supposed to do? You fucking are ridiculous. On a hot Monday morning on August 29, 2022, police were called to the scene of a shooting in the 1600 block of Valverde Southwest in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Several calls were made, but the one that captured officers' attention was the call placed by the shooter who claimed to have killed a man in self-defense just outside his home. Okay, I need to take that from you?

Go ahead. It's my weapon. Okay. And then do you have any... Okay. So take it down, no, it has a chamber. That's fine. Do you have any mag on you?

No, I don't. But just make sure you pull that mag out and it's chamber, just be careful. All righty. It doesn't matter. You still have to get a handbook, bro. We weren't here when it happened. Oh, I know. Well, you haven't even asked me one question. That's why. Is your cabs on? Of course they're on. To film this. Good. No, it is good. This guy's a fucking weirdo.

Sir, we're not going to ask anything right now? Negative. You got my weapon. That's your truck. That's not my truck. That's not. I don't know who him or that truck is. Okay. He came threatening my life. I gave him a warning shot. Don't, don't. Don't. Okay, I won't say sure. Against the officer's protests, Gonzalez lets crucial details of the incident slip, and what was likely an attempt to appear honest through transparency would wind up creating serious problems for the 44-year-old father.

You're not... I'm not... I know. We... The only questions... I'm a victim. Read him, his rights, and then we'll secure him. What am I being arrested before? You're not being arrested.

Just on the other side of this... Yeah, it appears he's, yeah, there was no pulse or anything. Okay. I want to walk this way to go out where to... Please, thank you. The victim was declared deceased, and this was now a murder investigation. Hello, sir. Call came in, we have the shooter in custody.

It looks like it's directly in front of his house on Valverdi, 1620 Valverdi. Maybe a witness called it in. We'll definitely find that out for you. But then the offender also called it in. I call him the offender just because he's the shooter, but he's saying he was justified. Looks like a road rage kind of thing. The victim would be identified as 35-year-old Abner and Tillen of Albuquerque, New Mexico.

While the full extent of the gruesome scene was not yet clear to investigators, one thing was certain, the victim had been shot multiple times at very close range. While undoubtedly tragic, this is the kind of uncomplicated scene police look forward to. At first, no one had any reason to doubt Gonzalez's version of events. I'm going to say victim, the GSW, to the head and maybe to the chest, and it looks like there's two holes, and two guys who don't know each other according to the shooter. Gonzales is likely hoping his helpful and indifferent attitude makes him appear less suspicious,

but his indifference to the corpse at his feet is more disturbing than anything. Why am I getting put on a car anywhere? Because you're not stunning over there. We're going to talk to other people, see if they saw anything. There was no one here but me. I think if anyone has anything, Mr. Saul has that camera there. I'm pretty sure he saw some motion and he'll probably be able to see everything on that camera. Camera footage had, in fact, captured the incident in all its horrific detail.

But before officers could review it, they needed to find someone willing to hand it over. Unfortunately for Gonzales, that very footage would soon make it clear that there was far more to this story than just self-defense. There was a person out here. Do you know where they want? No, let's contact them. Did you see anything? Is there anything you want to? Is Joseph still here? He is. No, I don't want to talk with him around him, but I'll talk to you after he's gone.

Well, he's in my car. He's not. It doesn't matter. He can see me through here. Okay. He's in that car there. Okay. I don't want to talk.

He's already gone to the law with me and four other neighbors. We got it on surveillance, but when he goes away, I'll talk to you. Great. For officers, this cryptic response made it clear that there was much more to the story, and Gonzales's deteriorating behavior was beginning to offer some clues as to what really happened here. Can you call you lieutenant because I know, please? Okay, because I'm not arrested. I will, but give me my phone.

Have a seat, sir. Joseph, I'm not going to give you your phone at this time. You cannot have my phone. We're not going to use it. I'm not arrested. I'm going to put it in the front seat. Nobody's going to touch it, okay? I gave you my weapon.

I told you what happened. Please let me have my phone. You cannot have my property. I'm going to tell you that the last time now if you take it, it's stealing. You're taking my phone. You're still. You're under investigative detective. That's fine. I'm not charged with the crime. You won't call your LT. I saw you tell her no. I want your LT here. I don't want to talk to you. You're biased towards me dude. You've been since I met you. You came here and you're fatigued. I'm acting like the badass. I remember you dude. For what? I'm a victim. Someone came and threatened my life. You put me in the back of a car with handcuffs. You're a dick, dude. You are, bro. So these detectives on scene said they, we are ready to head to the main for your interview. There's a detective there. And then there's a detective there.

on our head of there, me and you, let's go. All right. Good luck, now. All right, Nick, looks. It is a good. You know what? Don't say that, bro. Well, you know what I'm saying?

It's, you know what I'm saying? You know what? If I end up in prison for some bullshit, you better send this fucking commissary, dude. Gonzalez's flippant attitude and refusal to accept responsibility for what he did would only intensify upon arrival at the station.

When did these come on? When do you get in there? These are yours. You want them? I don't want them. Yeah, I do. I don't like these either of them. This one, I guess.

Let's see where the arrival. There we go. All right. Oh, do you want to get these now, or? I'm going to wait for him, and then once he gets here. He said he was close, though, so. Gonzalez is placed in an interview room to await the arrival of homicide detectives. For someone used to being in control, this proves to be an incredibly anxiety-inducing situation for the man.

but he knows he must still appear as calm as possible if he has any hope of not being charged with murder. But it's only been two minutes, and Gonzalez is already letting his frustration get the better of him. How long are they going to be before I can get these cups off? I don't know. I know what they told you to put these up. Could you have a superior come and talk to you, see if I get these on? Because I'm not being charged with anything. If I'm sitting there waiting, these are hurting my business. Is he?

Is he awesome? Let's get them off. All right. I mean, if I'm not being charged, I know you guys want to watch me because of the cameras, but let's just get this over with. You fuckers are ridiculous, I swear to God. Give me my shit just because of my little brother.

We'll examine who his little brother is and the high-profile case he's connected to soon. But right now, it's enough to know that Gonzalez seems to revel in using his brother as a scapegoat to avoid accountability. What he's doing here could be considered the first of his manipulation tactics, passive aggression. By sitting this close to the door, he knows whoever enters next will immediately be caught off guard, giving Gonzalez the perceived upper hand.

And that's exactly what happens. For a man like him, it seems everything is a battle for dominance. I'll be right there. Yeah, well, I'm gonna wait for BS, so I might as well just be comfortable. What's going on, man? He didn't seem like a damn criminal over here and I'm not happy about it. I apologize for that, man. I'm sorry, it took me in a second to get here.

I saw you hiding in the corner. What's that? I saw you. You saw you. You waited for me to talk to her and I saw you. Okay, let's okay. Let's get this over away. All right.

What's your name in? Oh no. Oh no. Joseph. Joseph, my name's Dallas. No. No, you're fine. How a check your head, that's just gross.

No, don't even worry about it. Just like to talk. Very nice to meet you, sir. So I'm not going somewhere else. So I'm not the primary case agent. I'm just here assisting. I just got in. The reason I didn't come in initially right away is because I wanted to find out exactly what's going on first before I talk to you about.

I should have been in council all the way over here, but I don't want to hear it. I know it's not, I know it's not. It's, it's, it's to the officer's discretion and that's how I go. Well, not necessarily. When you were transporting people, they have to be in. They have to be in handcuffs. That's just the issue. Once they're in the back, they have to be in handcuffs.

I've talked with detectives before in here. Not once have I came into a handcuffs. This is the first one ever given here to talk to detectives with cuss. Okay, I know, I'm not a criminal. No, I'm not talking to me. I was threatened. Someone threatened my life, that's why we're here.

I shouldn't be treated like for criminal. I'm very, very pissed on about that. So I'm going to threaten my life and I have the right to protect myself. Bottom line. Other than that, can I get some water, please? Yeah, of course. Yeah, just say, I get your bottle of water.

I just wanted to make sure you had your cuffs off and you're cool, you don't need the bathroom or anything? I might be here in a bit, yeah. Okay. You'll just get a calm down. I'm trying to sleep. No, I get it, man. Because I know it's going to be a couple hours.

You guys want to watch me on the camera. You'll watch me sleep. I'll fall asleep. No. Terry, show me how to fall asleep many times. You know, go into where we need to go. So you guys want to ask me a question. If you're going to hold me here,

if you're going to arrest me, let's just get on with it. Yep. Like I said. However you guys want to plan or to do what you want to do, let's get it done with. Of course. Why waste time? Throughout this interaction, it's obvious Gonzales is still switching between trying to maintain his calm demeanor and struggling to control his rising anger.

For the moment anyway, he claims to be open to talking about the events of the morning. However, this attitude would not last for long. You get me every time, man. Well, that's for you? Security measure, bro. Because you weren't tough that, were you? What's that? Oh.

Stop me by the door? Especially when you're in one. PASSive aggressive behavior is effective because it's a subtle way of expressing anger or hostility while still leaving room for deniability. It's about doing what's asked, but not in the correct or expected way. You're not dealing with a normal dude that you guys deal with. I'm not some criminal. No, and I'm not trying to treat you about it. And I'm telling you right now, what are one of the two things? If I was in your position, you're going to go home. Oh, we're going to charge it. Oh, sounds like you. That's all I need to be straight up. You know, you know,

straight up already you already kind of work around oh this is very simple you guys are making it more than what it is well it really are complicated we we had complicated what's complicated about you tell me what you heard well we have to do a very very complete thorough investigation before we make any decision I can't just walk in here and tell you either this is happening or this happened no I don't know what you guys are running rapid and as far as your detectives go and my family's witness you guys watch it all the time you guys don't know what the hell you're doing it is what it is a lot of times it's not some big elaborate

freaking YouTube story or Netflix special. Well, he's half right. I'm telling you, legally, my rights, you guys are violating them. You either charge me or tell me what I'm being detained for. You could only detain me a certain amount of time. Not ours. We both know that.

No, I know. I can tell that you're upset. You're pissed off. I'm not upset. I'm not pissed off. I just don't like to be BS. And I'm not trying to BS you. I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way.

That's just the way I'll try to work on it and not... No, no, but it's fine. You're only as good as just a superior, brother. You got taught a certain way. his condescending comments likely stem from a place of anxiety the situation is not unfolding the way he thought it would it's unlikely that gonzalez ever actively questions his own actions or motivations but here in this interview room is perhaps the closest he gets as the reality that he may not be going home begins to dawn on him

Pardon me, sorry? Mm-hmm. Second of you right there. So, let's run for this. Can you get your name? Joseph Gonzalez. Joseph Niz Gonzalez, is S, or is he? Yes.

A good contact number for you? 492. Where's my cell phone? Uh, the deputy accident. So, they told me you were going to have it. 505? Mm-hmm. 492.

Okay, 2.82. 51. Pay attention to Gonzalez's body language here. He's fidgeting. He can't sit still. He even shows difficulty regulating the volume of his voice at times. Well, he's certainly. has every right to seek counsel, he appears to feel personally attacked by the facts that he was dissuaded from telling his version of events at the scene.

So you know what were you're right? We're investigating this that happened earlier this morning. So because of that, like I said, um, can I see some questions that were directly related to that investigation and been tacked up, been detained, she runs down to their substation here. So I am going to advise you a random warnings, okay? Do you know what those are? What am I being detained for? The investigation of what happened earlier this morning?

I'm being detained for an investigation, how long is an investigation to be detained? How long can you detain someone for an investigation? Pretty much long time, I can I have probably like 12 hours. So we could sit in here for 12 hours with nothing. Being said, if I wanted the attorney, you could keep me up for 12 hours and decide if you wanted to charge me. Basically, so that's why I want to be your version. That's why I don't want no plan. Okay, so you're not going to provide a statement?

No, I tried and I won't ever take it. So I definitely would wait for a lawyer then. Okay, no problem. I appreciate it. I did try. That's fine. Possibly angered by his interaction with Detective Lopez, Gonzalez prepares his ultimate passive-aggressive attack. Those guys, I need a fucking restroom.

I'm not an apple here. I need a piss. Because run a surface here. Hold on, hold on. Oh, what are you doing, man? I'm fucking taking a piss. No, you're not. By the way, man.

These guys are fucking ridiculous, dude. It's been 10 minutes. A fucking knocking on the door, you heard me. Dude. I'm not a fucking animal. No one said you were. Why you treat me like one? Fuck off, dude.

I told you I need to the fucking restroom. Asshole. A big old cup of piss because you, you idiots. At least I feel a lot better. On one level, it's incredibly hard. hard to believe this man just killed someone in broad daylight, but at the same time, it makes perfect sense, knowing his true character. His display goes over, about as well as you'd imagine, and Gonzales quickly finds himself

back in cuffs. I said I need the restroom, and you don't treat me like a fucking animal. I'm not multiple times. My house is right there. I know. You heard me. I've been patting on the door, I would have hurt you. I heard me.

No, I didn't. I bang hard as shit. I'm doing other stuff, Matt. So have a seat? You are in my cup. Because you're being charged. So have a seat. With what?

Homicide. Have a seat. Let's go to jail. When someone gets charged with battery on a household member or something. They don't come in here and it's very quick. I'm not scared. Now I'm going to tell my lawyer and now I got to go to jail, get bonded out, all that BS, to go to court. You had your opportunity.

For someone that tried to sit there and kill me and you guys are treating me like a criminal. This ain't right, dude. It's not. Just because when my little brother is? That shit ain't right. Let's bring it back. Yeah, you guys do. Okay. You cannot say that the detective didn't come in here to reach your rights and then...

No, he didn't. Read my rights. Yes, he did. I heard him reach you your rights. Oh, well, you read my rights. I remember you read my rights. Yeah, and he read them as well, and he asked you if you wanted to give your side of the story... Well, then there's what I told him. You didn't tell him your side of the story then. You guys did not want to hear it. He wanted to hear it.

No, I have my day in court. You don't have your day in court. Yes, I will. That's all I want. I'm gonna be in charge of the whole second. Get so fucking, hurry out. Let's get it all right. Like I told you before, you just don't understand the severity

that none of you do. What I've been calling, two days ago, Mexican, right there, just threaten me. I know you and your brother, you grow fucking, threatening me. I get it every damn day. And now that I'm not there and they know I'm not, you guys will see. No, and I kid you not, brother.

I'm just telling you, so when you see you in the news, you know that I, you already talk to the person. according to Gonzales and Telen, the man he shot earlier that morning, had been one of many who had been consistently harassing him and his family because of his little brother's involvement in a high-profile murder case. Joseph's younger brother, Fabian Gonzalez, had recently been found guilty for the role he played in the 2016 death of 10-year-old Victoria Martins.

I didn't know him. Why did he stop, back all the way up, and come, and say he's going to kill him? me. I don't understand it. At some point during his detainment, police had recovered the camera footage from the scene, and it's not nearly as confusing as Gonzalez wanted detectives to believe. At 7.23 a.m. on August 29, 2022, Joseph Gonzalez arrives home after taking his wife to work. By all accounts, it was a normal Monday morning for the 44-year-old father, as we see him exit the vehicle and unlock his front gate. As Gonzalez returns to his truck, you can see

Abner Antelon's custom-red international pickup drive-by. Gonzalez, apparently bothered by the perceived speed of the other driver, shouts at him to slow down. Antillan hears him and immediately reverses to confront Gonzalez. Like many incidents of road rage, what happened next is heartbreaking precisely because it was so unnecessary and preventable. The two engage in an argument that quickly escalates to the point where both men exit their vehicle. vehicles and move closer to one another. Unfortunately, this tense exchange is blocked by Gonzalez's truck, but at the height of the argument, we can see Joseph take a few steps back, square his shoulders, raise his weapon,

and pull the trigger. What happened next is what Gonzalez described as a warning shot into the ground. However, this was immediately followed up with a volley of targeted shots into Antelan's back. Oh my god, Tom! Get off! These final parting insults tell us everything we need to know about how Gonzales really felt at the time of this tragic shooting. This was a heartless evil murder. I'm not incriminate, I'm not worried about incriminating this, that, or what happened?

I didn't say it didn't, not once. No. Someone threatened my life. What am I supposed to do? What's a warning shot attended for you? Tell me, we don't, we don't do warning shots. Thanks for saying that. I'm just saying we can't.

You guys should. No, because it's, like I said, every situation is. It is different. You know what a running shot does, though? But you're terrible. It gives you a wrong, man. You know, you really are. Yeah.

You definitely are. So you've got to know what you're doing. You know what I mean? It smells an awareness. Very simple. You don't want no NDs, you know? Yeah. So the thing about it is, you do a warning shot,

and you're able to assess that person in their, either they're scared, they're attacking, or they just don't know what they're doing. They might be on drugs in other words. You know what I'm saying? So that warning shot lets you determine a lot of things within a split second. See, and right now, where we're talking through all these variables that you were talking about earlier,

it's different. But that doesn't mean to do everything. No, it is. To protect you and your person, it's a very simple answer. That's what you do. Protect yourself in the appropriate way. And that is ultimately the heart of the issue, and the question the jury would later ask themselves

at the trial of Joseph Gonzalez, did he protect himself in the appropriate way? According to Gonzalez, the answer is a clear yes. But for obvious reasons, the jury felt differently. Joseph Gonzalez was initially charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Abner Antelon, and his trial began on April 23rd. He was acquitted in May after a jury failed to reach a verdict in the case, voting 10-2 in favor of conviction, leading to a mistrial.

According to reports, the Bernalillo County Second Judicial District Attorney's Office plans to retry Gonzalez on the lesser charge of second-degree murder. He is currently being held in custody at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Albuquerque, New Mexico.