Dr. Insanity - Police Discover A Body In Their Suspect's Garage

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

Police are knocking on the door of 50-year-old Carol Rey’s home. Carol’s adult son, John, called the police scared that Patricia may be missing. She hadn’t answered his messages in days. But at this point, police are completely unaware of the horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from them inside the house… Subscribe for more crime videos like this. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can you open that? Do you fit in here? I mean, she's in there. Oh, she's in there. Police apartment. Police apartment. Hi, how's it going? Are you Patricia?

No, I'm her daughter. This is 50-year-old Carol Ray. Ray. She lives with her mother, Patricia, and her three-year-old daughter. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here. No, she was a sister. Okay. I'm just asking because someone was worried they didn't know where she was at. My son John and him and her having a little bit of tip because he was a point of bit of money. He's been trying to call her for 24 hours now. And I gave her the message yesterday.

This made sense to the cops. Carol's mother, Patricia, didn't want to deal with her greedy grandson and decided to move out and ignore him. Or at least that's what Carol claimed, because at this point, police are completely unaware of the horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from them inside the house. And over the course of the next few days, this simple missing persons report would turn into hands down the most gruesome and disturbing case that they had ever worked on. And then I get a text message from Carol's mind. but it doesn't read like Carol's mom.

My grandma just checks to me, I guess. Okay. Send him to the cops to my house again. Oh! My grandma's not at the house. It's clear that you're not telling us the truth. Where is she at, Carol? Following the interaction with Carol the previous night,

John would call the police again, slowly becoming more concerned that something had happened to Patricia. So at 11 a.m., on January, every 22nd, officers would arrive at Carol's house for a second time with the intent to find a conclusive answer to John's worries. Um, grandma's Patricia. Mom is Carol. Carol.

Hi. Hi. Are you Carol? Yes. Is Patricia here? No, she's not. She's getting her B-12 shove or something like that with Dr. Tepazzo. It's not written down.

anywhere in here? Uh, maybe on, no, she'll break down on this Dr. T on the old calendar. This little girl. This is my daughter, Alice and her granddaughter. Hi. Oh, okay. Does she live here with you? Yeah, we lived together.

Your grandma? Yeah, my mother. Sorry. Yeah, she's been, uh, she's been staying at her sister's house for a couple of, a couple of days because we just got diagnosed with the morning and got home from the house. I had a diverticulitis disruption. Okay. So she's back here though, staying here primarily now?

Both, I mean, all of her clothes and everything are here. She came by yesterday and she was here last night, but night before last and she was here yesterday until about 5 p.m. and pick up her medications and a fresh change of clothes and stuff like that. Okay. Well, the reason we're here is because your children are concerned about your grandma. My son, John, yeah, he sent you guys over last night, which I contacted my mother about,

and she had a fit, and I was going to go down to there's the police department today about it. Well, there's a little bit of a financial money issue between my mother and my old son, John. Okay. And he borrows a library for him and doesn't repay it. He's got a truck in the backyard she bought him, a car in the garage that she bought him that she took back because he won't pay the insurance on it. So my mom is a very finicky woman. She got me pissy about that now. Call him, when I got damn ready to call him,

I got things to take care of. Right. Okay, okay, okay, my mom don't. I said she's 69 this year. Based on Carol's story, Patricia is back living at her house and is currently at the doctor's office getting a monthly shot. Everything lines up. Patricia temporarily stopped communicating with John due to a financial dispute.

However, John, being a caring grandchild, got worried something more sinister was at play. It seems like it was just, miscommunication. However, officers decide to get all of Patricia's information and check her room just to ensure nothing's off. All right. Where is her room here? It's right back here.

Can we just look at it? Yeah. Do you want to see where her clothes and everything? You want to show them where Grandma V's room is? Oh, I'm sorry, baby. You want to show her where Grandma V's room is? Her room is the last one on the right now since it's the first one on the left here. Yep, we let Natalie sleep in this bedroom since Grandma B spent the night already

so that she can have her stuff on. All my mom stuff is... And all her clothes are in there. Oh, my mom stuff is right there. There's clothes that she just lost. Okay. All right. We're good.

We just see... We get the call, you know, and then there's one side of the story and then there's the other. So, if he's got everyone worked up, like he said, he might call, someone else might call, and you don't want us showing up here a million times. So we want to just... You're in person. Hey, you're fine. That's all we need to do. Okay.

All righty. Thank you. You're welcome. Have a good day. The officers have one simple task to wrap this case up. Simply confirm Patricia is okay with their own eyes. To do this, Officer Pelt decides to call the doctor's office where Patricia is apparently being treated.

However, the call doesn't go as planned. Hi, this is Casey from with cardiology. How can I help you? Hi, this is Officer Pelt with the Roseville Police Department. I'm just calling because I believe you have a patient in your office by the name of Patricia Bennett. And she has some family members that are concerned about her and are trying to just make sure she's there? Nope, she's not here.

Her actually, they might have got the date mixed up. Her appointment is February the 13th, but I'm going to go ahead and ask a couple of my colleagues just to make sure, like, did she come here or anything like that? Or is she planning on coming there? Nope. She's not supposed to be in today. Nobody's seen, like, she hasn't come in yet or anything like that, but we can watch out and contact you. Suddenly, things are starting to miss a line. John insists that he thinks Patricia is missing, and now the only person living with her is lying about her current location.

Something is definitely not adding up, so officers decide to speak to John again to further investigate the strange situation. I just don't get why my ground and make her Facebook close. saying she's at home you guys show up and she's not there and that was literally two minutes as soon as you pulled away she takes in my dad that there may be other circumstances that we're not aware of or the family's not aware of so what your expectation is that this woman here is who's your mother is hiding your grandmother from you yeah for what reason for month she's trying to take the money from her that you think is the title do you no no okay I don't know your

grandmother what our grandma raised you okay okay so generally yes I'm really So our mom's been in and out of her life. Right, okay. Our mom's never in their life. And I just don't want my grandma to be passed away and she's collecting, or hopefully she's just hiding her because she's sick and my grandma's on as long as though.

I really have a pissed off grandma than missing or dead. Well, if she's dead, then, I mean, if she's got a body hiding somewhere or is done away with her, I mean, and then trying to collect social security or whatever she receives, I mean, it takes some effort. My grandma has fraudulent charges on her. Yeah, police reports on her. When was it, what?

A couple years ago. Yeah, a couple years ago. Okay, and what happened to those charges? I think my grandma decided to not pursue them. Okay. Only to have, like, to lock her up, because that's your daughter, but... I'm not trying to get her in trouble, but why would you keep lying and lying and lying? But, so that's why I'm thinking that nothing's been adding up.

My grandma just texted me, I guess. Okay. So, so... ...in the cops to my house again. Oh! John's claims are frankly terrifying. Not only does he suspect his mother of stealing from Patricia and using her money, but he thinks she may have even murdered her.

Accusing your own mother of committing such a terrible act is something officers need to take seriously. However, there's no evidence to suggest that Carol had even harmed Patricia, let alone killed her, so these claims feel drastic, unfounded, and premature. Officer Jerobix seems to have felt these claims were over the top as well. So he would lead John to the station to file a missing person's report. Additionally, he wants to learn about John's history with Carol, and why he thinks she may have killed Patricia. Alongside John would be Carol's ex-husband, T.J.,

who claimed to have important information that could help solve the case. I'm just going to record you and I. All right. So when did you physically last see your grandmother eye to eye? Probably after Halloween, beginning of November, before I went to North Carolina. I came back from North Carolina Thanksgiving, so then it's here. Went there on Christmas, then it's here. I've been calling her and asking her to call me.

I need to hear your voice or have my mom have you call me. I need to hear your voice. Or I'm going to do a welfare check. I threatened that a couple weeks ago. All right. Yesterday I just cracked and finally called it in. And now you haven't had any voice contact with her since Thanksgiving. Somebody's been texting me off her phone or off her Facebook.

I know it's not heard just because the words they use. It's not how my grandma thought. When was the last time you saw Carol? I thought I saw Carol, period? Not Carol, um, Patricia. Oh, okay. I'm like, I'm like every time I drop my daughter. Yeah, yeah, we're like Patricia.

Patricia. Contact with Patricia, yes. Yeah. It was around Halloween time. I did receive one text message the other day stating that she was, um, sorry for holding up Carol. Carol and my daughter were supposed to hang out because it was my birthday this weekend. I came around 6 o'clock. I started texting here.

I'm like, what the fuck is going on? You know, it's my birthday. celebrating it and that blah blah you Carol and Allison are supposed to be celebrating on Sunday your birthday right and then I get a text message from Carol Carol's mom but it doesn't read like Carol's mom but it says sorry I'm holding her up signing over the cars and giving her title to house and insurance stuff so she cab get that stuff find Monday it's kind of when Carol types a lot of times it comes up kind of misspelled it's because you have glasses and stuff like that

The only contact that you've had with her was from a random message. And she said that she was with my aunt. So I did some research. I went there today and spoke to my anchor. She hadn't spoken with my grandma since 2015. Remember how Carol said that Patricia moved over to live at her sister's house? Is Patricia here? No, she's not here.

No, she's a sister. John visited that house, and Patricia's sister claimed that she hasn't seen Patricia in over five years. And she was messaging me today while we were there with the cops, saying that she was home and messaged my dad that she was home when we know she wasn't there because the cops were there. My dad is screenshoting them all and sent me those messages. Okay, can you email those to me? One thing I do know, and I mean, in this type of situation,

I would hope it's more true than it is the other, is I mean, I have no... Like I said, I've known care since I've been 20. I mean, like, bold face, like, you can show her, like, here's a picture of you, and I have. Here's a picture of you doing this and da-da. it's not me I mean so she's always been a chronic chronic liar especially when she's off her meds

because she does take lots of medicine longer than I think even when we were together I mean I'm sure you can get her list of medicines that she was taken but I guess she lost her therapist so she has not had medicine for the last couple months and when that happens things get kind of wonky with her Many other conversations are then calling the house phone, social media, off of a messenger, calling her that way, texting her, nothing. And then on 12th of January, my mom texted me off her phone, saying, Grandma would be sleeping, getting over and moaning here.

I was like, have her call me. I need to hear her voice. She never does this if she always calls me. And there's no response. These interviews helped clarify why John would go as far as saying Carol had killed Patricia. She's been lying to them for months, nobody's been able to see or speak to Patricia, and she happens to have a decent surplus of cash that the family has been pulling from. And remember, on top of all of that, Carol lied to police about Patricia's whereabouts at the doctor's office. The evidence makes it abundantly clear that Carol's not telling the truth, and trying to hide something, and it's likely something horrifying.

So police try and visit her house a third and final time, but this time, they aren't leaving without answers. Hello. Hello. Hi again. Is she here now? No, she's up as a liver cancer institute eating her B12 shock. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be great with you, but where is she at? We're just getting complicated information as well. The doctor's office that you told us she went to, she's not there.

With cardiovascular is where she goes. Dr. Topazin is who treats her leucosidic white blood cell cancer. Not the white blood cell Okay, because you said she was at Woods Cardiovascular Because she has a lot of doctors What's your daughter's name? What's Allison?

Addison. Allison. Allison. And you took a stop getting conflicting information from. It's a nice balloon. Can I see it? Thank you. I can't keep on the way.

Woods Cardiovascular is where she's been treated. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah? Is where she's been treated for a long time with Dr. And how did she get there? And how did she get there? Her sister drives her or I drive her. You didn't drive her today.

So today. And sometimes they're going to cross the street. How did she get there today, though? I believe her sister. Her sister? Yes. The sister that lives in Warren? Yes.

Okay. But you don't have your sister's number. I don't talk with me or my own. Well, last night she stayed over there. When the officer came here, she did not speak directly to her. No, he spoke to me. Okay. Because she was at my aunt.

she was here yes right before last is that your phone she was here yes that's when i just hate you listen we just find out where this lady is i don't understand but you guys are upsetting my daughter and you're upsetting me she doesn't look upset that's fine um because you don't hear her in cease those when she leaked i just went through a really bad domestic violence divorce situation and cps up my butt for the past you two we're not yet but that's not what we're here for we're here to find out if your mom's okay we got a bunch of people who are concerned about her and no one seems to know why she is my son father, my son, and his brother, which he's got his brother on high alert now, which

his brother's wife was just here yesterday morning while my mom was laying on the couch to pick up $200 to do her tabs for the car for my son's car. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I can show you a picture of my daughter and my mom.

She's sending messages telling everyone she's here. She's currently here. Now she's coming back here because she just called. she just called why don't you call it right now while we're here yeah and she's on her way

then shortly we'll be able to resolve this she must back on to her yeah you can see that I'm actually you want to put on speakerphone will she answer you I don't know she went up through to get her B12 shot

notice the drastic change in Carol's demeanor when she was directly asked to call Patricia. She's no longer deflecting, but rather soft-spoken and deliberate with her choice of words. Pay attention to Carol's body language as she's asked more of these direct questions. I know she's supposed to be calling John because John's one that started this three, four nights ago threatening to call if she didn't talk to him. Yeah, if she didn't talk to him by noon the next day. I had her call before she went to Sam's Club. 1145, 1150.

Is it possible, then, that she could just speak to John? Directly. Directly. Yeah. Well, then why hasn't she? Like, face to face. So that they're at ease.

She's not interested. Do you want to call her again? You were just concerned. I'm sorry. She was talking, you were talking, phone with ringing. What did you say? Why can't your mother directly speak to John?

Not through a message, not through text. She can't. I don't have nothing to do with her and John, though. Well, that's why we're here. I'm getting stuck in the middle of it. Yes, and so are we. So are we. And we have to figure, we have to see her. You want to just try to call her again?

What's the doctor's office she's at? Which are you? No, the Weber Cancer Center is behind the home hospital. Coincidentally, Officer Peltz would call this doctor's office, and yet again, Patricia was nowhere to be found. Officer Pelt knew something was off and decided to call. call in Detective Jerebex to question Carol officially and confront her about her growing list of lies. Oh. Oh.

Okay. If this does go down here and she starts making any admissions, let's stop, get her to the station. Let's do a search warrant, whatever we have to do from the house. If she starts... Do you want to do a consent to search first? So we can gather anything at the house first? Is she a consent? Yeah.

Let's start all with that. She's aren't, you let me go through the house. Did you go through the garage? I have not been through the house. car is to check the cars i just went through the house this could go south there so she's at she's at her braking okay she's detective gyrrudex excuse me yeah yes sir yes hi hi so we're gonna i mean if you don't mind we'll get consent from you to search the house to see if there's anything that would lead us to think of who she may have went with that help you all figure out where

she's plant she didn't she didn't tell you who otherwise or right you're under the impression she's supposed to be with her sister yes that's what she told you who lives in the house i do my mom and this little broke of her older has she done this in the past well doesn't tell anybody where she what she done this and your but your son seemed pretty concerned that she was in here what's on john yeah yeah but she tells you that she's with your sister her sister that's got me that's concerning correct that's got me worried that were not worried but aggravated she not answering her phone calls The people that she says she's what she's not, that's concerned.

I won't feel right if I leave this house without looking for anything that can point it's in the right direction. I want to do my job properly and make sure that, and I guarantee when she walks back in this door and she finds out that I search for her through her stuff to try to find her, she's probably going to be okay with me because that's what most people will be okay with, correct? I'll open up her bedroom door so you can see her stuff or whatever. I'll unlock the power for you so you can look at it and whatever. or whatever you want to do, I don't want to sign anything and get in trouble. Okay.

There's all her pains. Okay. When your mom left, did she take like a toothbrush, a bag of clothes, like she had spent in the night anywhere? No, she's a person. And I don't do it. Yeah, does she normally sleep over people's house without, um... Well, she does, she did this time, and she has in the past, those are puzzles right?

So she does that, obviously, medical issues. Oh, yeah. What I'm saying is that that's also, when we're looking at somebody being missing, it's concerning because anything can happen when she's at C.O.P.D. She's got, she's had a stroke already. You understand? She doesn't. She's, oh, she's out there. You aren't very concerned. I'm trying to, I'm more concerned for your mom than you are. Like. I am concerned. I just, I've talked to her and seen her in the past is 24, 48 hours. And. But now. I'm. frazzled because she's lied to me about talking to my and I don't know why she would do that. I mean we're concerned because your mom your mom left but she didn't even pack a bag to go you know. For an overnight she normally won't even when she came out to my trailer that I was remodeling up on home room. So for like an overnight you don't pack like a just a toothbrush, a change of clothes, underwear?

Obviously something's going on here. We're fairly certain something's going on. We're We need to start fresh. And we need to tell you, we need you to tell us exactly what happened. Your story is not ending up. Your story doesn't end up. We can go through it very quickly. You're extremely nervous. Well, yeah.

I had the police here last night and today. Carol, obviously, something probably happened to your mother, right? You know something that you're not telling us. That's apparent to us. We're trained investigators. We know when something's something's. not right and something isn't right. You have many people outside of you that are concerned about your mother's whereabouts. Where is she at? Carol? I don't know because she honestly

said what she told me when she left here. The detectives haven't cracked Carol yet, but they're extremely close. If they can get verbal consent to search the property, they may be able to find clues to further solve the case or get Carol to reveal more information. All right, listen to me. You're lying a lot, okay? I'm now at a point where I don't believe anything you're saying, okay? I've now confirmed another part of your story that's wrong. So you need to come clean now.

Let me know what your mother's at. If she's in this house or in your garage that she passed away from natural causes or whatever it is, and you didn't want to do anything because maybe you needed some extra money for Social Security or whatever it is, we can get through it. But right now what you're doing is you're hiding somebody who's possibly dead. Okay? Absolutely not. Carol, she hasn't been in this house in two months, three months.

She has. She's got dirty clothes in the laundry room. She's got clean clothes hanging right there. Why doesn't it have to do anything? That's neither here nor the hair. I don't know. I mean, what's going on? What's going on in your life?

Her hair brushes in the bathroom. Yeah, that's odd because she left for the night. Wouldn't she want to brush her hair? a morning. Carol was caught lying through her teeth multiple times. However, despite all of that, detectives couldn't get the consent to search her property. This leaves them in a tough situation. It's clear Carol is lying and hiding Patricia's whereabouts, but with no solid evidence, they can't be certain of Carol's involvement in the disappearance. But luckily, the police had a trick in mind involving Carol's current boyfriend, Ricky. Since Ricky has been living in the

house with Carol, he has the authority to. to give consent to areas of mutual access. In this situation, that allows officers to search the majority of the property despite Carroll's objection to the search. As long as Ricky doesn't have any involvement in Patricia's disappearance, he would have no reason to object to a search of the property. Hey, how you doing, sir? Probably yourself.

Not too bad. Are you Ricky? Yeah. Okay. Step back. Here's some of these detectives want to talk with you? Detectives? Yeah.

What's going to look? Well, they'll talk with you. When was the last time you saw Patricia, like physically saw her in person? Physically saw her, it's probably been about a month. Would you mind coming to the station with us so we can just sit there and talk? Well, we're trying to find, we want to find Patricia, but we're getting... She's not at her citrus house? No.

How long... She's lied on me? Lied on me. Who's lying on you? Like Carol. Carol. She's cheated on me, yeah. She's the one that told me that she was at her sister's head.

Thankfully, it seems as though Ricky has no idea of the crimes. More importantly, he would agree to a search of the property, granting them access to most of the home. If they discover anything serious, they'll need a search warrant to investigate it further, but a cursory look around the property is now fully legal. They begin by searching her backyard and cars. cars. Someone's got a sushi inside. Who's with her?

Pelt. Huh? Who's with it? Oh, who's with it? Huh? Oh, Pustre my ear. After coming up empty in the backyard, they check the last remaining spot, Carol's Garage.

Boyfriends here. I just want to look up here over there. Hey. You open that. It should fit in here. I mean. Oh, all right. Bloody towels.

They're in here. It's all. She's in there. She's in there. Oh, go out. Let's see. Hold on. I don't know.

Hold on. I don't know. I don't know. What? What? No. I don't, he's looking. He's looking at open.

Nah, nothing. I think I opened up that grave then and it's full of bloody towels and it stinks like a dead body. Are you kidding? I swear again. For what? If it's in there, Boehdick or what? but if they're searching for the body. There's a bloody pillow in here inside.

Yeah, there's a body in that. Where? You can see the legs from the far from. Okay. I'll go get the thing up there. Somebody said he was back here. He needs to do. That's a boyfriend.

He just showed up. They're looking for him. Oh, okay. He's in there. I just opened up a big plastic storage bin and smelled really bad. It was full of blood and towels and you can see a body in there. So it's kind of where we're at. All right.

We hook her. Bring her in. Everybody was saying people, the brothers, we need to find out what they were telling officers because they were saying he was like in the back back there yesterday. It was coming and going. Somebody in medicine. There is still moisture on the top of that. on the top of that, I open it, and there's still moisture on the top.

So that's not been in there wrong. And they were somebody we got to talk to over there. They said, yeah, you know, the door was open yesterday, and he was coming and going, and then all of a sudden his car was gone. This dude? Who's boyfriend is it? This is the girl, the parents. The mom, the daughter.

I say we're bringing him there. Yeah. Not only had they found Patricia's deceased body in the storage bin, but the body still wasn't dry, meaning the murder couldn't have been more than two months ago, as John originally suspected. This terrifying scene couldn't have made the truth more clear. Carol Ray had killed her mother and had been covering it up for weeks. However, she may not have been the only one involved in this.

Ricky had been staying at the house for months now, and the cops believe he had to have known about the murder if he'd been living beside it the entire time. With this in mind, police placed Carol under arrest immediately and detained Ricky too. Carol, let me stand up for me. You're wrong with the janitorback, okay? I think you know why we're going, but I suggest what I think about what you need to tell us, okay? Do you change anything?

Any weapons I need? No. I might have my pipe. Following Carol and Ricky's arrest, both would sit in a jail cell while they waited for detectives to arrive at the station. Multiple hours later, they would bring Carol in for her first. interrogation. Obviously, Carol, we're here to talk to you about what's going on here. The further we let us keep rolling, the further it's going to get without you being able to,

you know, we shed some light on this, okay. The goal for this interrogation is not to get Carol to confess because she obviously did it, but to determine a motive and figure out if Ricky was also involved. If I say something and it comes out wrong or something like this, but if you want it to be an accident, I'm just, I don't know if it's going to explain it, if you explain the truth and it will come out as the truth. I don't believe you're so much. I'm not, I can't give you advice, but if you want to tell your story, you can tell it how it is. I don't know if there's any questions. If you want to get it out, you can do that.

At the same time, once I tell you're right, if you don't want to. want to talk, you don't have to talk. That night, we were sleeping between 1 a.m. and 4 a.m. in the morning. And I heard loudbating, my daughter and I was sleeping in Ireland, the back back and I was sleeping on the couch. Anyway, there was a big crash. And it sounds like someone was breaking through the glass window or breaking down the door. And we'll living around my crad, like, God.

I was running down the hallway and had my train to figure. my training figure on the trigger like an idiot. I went, not running, but a walking man down the hallway. And I hit with my right foot, the foot, and I got into my feelings, and it went off. Do anything when I shoved her shoulder, and then I heard gurgling. And I screamed, Mom, pulled her on the floor, and I noticed it was a very chance of what coming out of her mouth.

But I find somebody broke in the window or so doing it for the huge, loud crash. If a suspect is highly emotional when recalling an event, they will often have trouble remembering certain details in that moment. You'll often notice the suspect unable to form full sentences and stuttering in their speech. But Carol shows none of this. While crying, she manages to form a detailed timeline of how she killed Patricia. This implies that her story of events, may be inaccurate, and the murder wasn't a mistake like she claims.

Now that they've heard it, however, the detectives would be able to search for evidence that explicitly countered this story, and that didn't take them long at all. The very next day, they brought Carol back out of her cell and into the interrogation room again. Throughout this interview, see if you can spot the information that the detectives found specifically for this conversation, and watch how they use it to break her story apart. Going up to what you said yesterday, I know, said, you're walking down the hallway. Brother, my favorite noise, and the gun area and the river. You're walking in the owls, right there you tripped.

And the gun, you get your finger on the trigger, then the gun went off, correct? Okay. You saw your mom bleeding and then, oh, I think you said, you saw come out of her mom. The cops were raised early on to freak me out, and they dropped in the extreme of her nearly the police. I've had a much better head of the shoulder to call her age. We're older than she was a bit of his parents that she would give a suspect when he was a girl in a girl and felt.

And he was going to come across his understanding and compassionate to Carol. But if their main goal was to make her feel comfortable, they wouldn't have sat her in the corner of the room and positioned them. between her and the door. They want to eventually make her feel so cornered and pressured that she lets go of the truth. So for now, this nice guy demeanor is a complete act for the detective to build rapport, as he tries to get her to talk as much as possible. So after that happened, obviously you found your mom in a container to the garage. Now, obviously, my concern is kind of understand how she got there, but you know, I explain to me.

me because to me it seems that you're back and everything that you could do this by yourself. So can you walk me through, I understand, obviously, panic, everything's on 10, you're freaking out, and that's your mother you love, right? And so, he was waking up. Okay, can kind of walk me through the minutes after all that happened? Let me ask you this with Ricky there that night. Why don't think he was always breaking? I don't think he'll have to. I don't have to. Remember, an important part of this interrogation was to figure out if Carol's boyfriend Ricky was also involved to any extent. At the moment, Carol is claiming that he wasn't on the scene at all, as they'd recently had a number of arguments. The cops would have a chance to interview him later on, but for now, there's one question regarding him that they just can't seem to get their heads around.

When I was Rob, here the baby waiting out, what happened back? Did you be in your mom on the coach? Did you move her somewhere else? Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. One of the other else between the playing with me here. You can understand that?

Very hard. You can understand. Obviously, Robert, you're operating under panic, right? I mean, I can picture myself in a situation. Panic, you got your daughter there. Where did you move her from the house to where first? We found her in the garage. She moved anywhere before the garage.

Directly in the garage. So this is where I think, this is where I'm concerned with your mom. And I know this is a hard detail to get through, but picking up your mom, there's no way you're picking up. How did you do that by yourself? You're saying Ricky that's there. Did you bring me to one or not? Are you afraid to tell us if you're afraid to Ricky?

You don't have to be afraid of a problem. You're scared about it. Carol remained completely silent for almost 30 seconds after she was asked this question. The cops are right to assume that she's scared, but it might not be for the reasons they think. reasons they think. She could be scared of Ricky and the consequences of implicating him in the crime, but she could also be terrified of the situation she's in. She's going to jail for a very long time. There's no escaping that anymore, and that's a scary reality for her.

Whatever the reason is, though, the cops are still doing their best to give her a moral excuse or justification for what she did, so she'll talk a little more. She panicked, and anyone would have done the same. The best thing she can do to make things right is to tell them exactly what happened. I mean, you know, people panic. People make mistakes. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know what happens most often when you flee from an accident, you know, it happens all the time when people panic, right?

I see, someone gets in a car, and they smashed no car and they take off lepersons or dying. I hear them on the news. And then the lies keep going, and they're like, shit, I should have saved, but I didn't, right? that's a mistake that can't be made. I shouldn't have to. I don't want to keep revisiting if I have to. How did you get the towed out of the cops? If that's all that stuff in the garage, is it possible somebody else to the wound up for? The cops are really focusing on Carol's inability to physically move Patricia to the garage, as to them, it was a clear sign that somebody else had to be involved. But at this point,

they're not getting anywhere. Unfortunately, this isn't conclusive enough evidence to implicate anyone else. And it's not getting Carol to talk, but that's okay, because the detectives have one piece of evidence that they've been saving for this very moment. That could prove without a doubt that everything Carol said so far has been a total lie. The other thing you want to bring up is, you know, she did a hot, see, and mom, um, they found some puncture wounds to connect. Three culture weeds. Not our own scar, but actual fresh or not how do those get you? You know?

Mm-hmm Yeah Is there anything after the fact? Yeah Not saying you were killing her, but like, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying I don't know, maybe

grow up in the street if she was suffering or anything like that. Maybe she's going on and she didn't have any back. Because here's what I don't want to get caught. Is that once they tell us exactly how deep they were, if it was a cause of death and then you could be really, we have to get everything out here now if you're trying to do something

with those feelings that they'll cause those things or anything like that. So I would just think right now what could have possibly cause those points in her. I don't know if she had testing or anything like that. A gunner is going off and killing someone, killing someone. Unlarkly, but it's fresh, a gun accidentally going off and killing someone. Unlike, but believable.

But two fresh, deep knife wounds that Carol hasn't mentioned a single time? It's going to be extremely hard to explain this one away. Not only does this imply the moment. imply the murder was completely intentional, but the fact that Carol hasn't mentioned it means that she knew that was the case and wanted to try to cover that part up. And again, I don't want you to implicate anybody that's not implicated. That'll get you more trouble. But as we sit and investigate and continue to investigate in the days and weeks

months to come, more things are going to come up. I'm pretty certain of it. Brinnell eventually what happened. Not to my knowledge. The Brinnell your mom was in that... What did I know if I didn't tell them? Did you say anything to that we need you to believe in you know? Did you actually not have a mistake?

Did you actually mean to kill your mother? Oh, I do not mean to kill my brother. Well, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying... Do you understand where, when these things can be answered, You're kind of odd. Can I ask you this? What's going on as the controls?

Could you have freaked out after you shot her and she was still breathing and you want to make sure that at this point? No good. It's hurt to me like this. Absolutely not. I've got to move it. No. Did you, maybe you kind of feel like, it sounds terrible.

Like, you see a live and she's alive and she's out. At this point, the interrogation has been going on for over an hour. an hour, and Carol clearly doesn't intend to deviate from her story despite all the new evidence. The detectives are still no closer to obtaining a confession or any information about Ricky from her, so they figure they've got no choice but to speak to the man himself. So later that day, they bring Ricky in for an interview of his own and attempt to get the truth out of him, whatever it may be. Do you have any idea what's going on?

No, I don't. You have nothing? Somebody at the house said something about Patty is not at her sister's house where Carol was telling me that she was sad. When was the last time you physically seen Patty? You guys called her Patricia? Yeah, Patty Patricia. My name is called her Patty. I physically seen her about, I think it was like a month and a half ago. It was before Thanksgiving. How often do you stay at the house on time? every day. I've been there except for, uh, if it was like that, he's the night on the home of dogs. So you've been staying there every day? Yeah.

Already, Ricky is being much more open and giving much better answers to all of the detective's questions. He also seems exceedingly calm and as though he's just trying to help the officers out. Right now, he definitely isn't coming across as a murder accomplice or a blackmailer, but there's still plenty of time for the cops to catch him out. What about Carol, did she work? Did she have a job, she doesn't go anywhere? What did she do with most of her days? You know, most of her days to keep an house and busy cleaning in the house, doing what she can.

That she needs, so, some AIDS or surgeries. Any financial issues with you or Carol or Patty or anything? No. Nothing. Carol took care of the bills. You know, where she had no money to if she's not working? and she said she had our twin bank fellow.

Carol didn't acting strange or suspicious to you or different. She's bipolar, so I always said that she was the world's greatest actress because I can't tell when she's being interfered in that. That's in addition to bipolar. They're compulsive liars. And I've been caught in a lot of her webs people.

I've been telling her she's been feeling more distant. Ricky, I mean, I don't really necessarily know you, obviously, like, you seem pretty nervous to me. What's going on? Is there something you're nervous about? I mean, I'm nervous about anything. Where did you sleep in the room? Most in the bedroom. Carol's bedroom. Where did, um, sometimes I'm in, you know, we're in Allison's sleep.

Um, mostly in her bedroom. Let me ask you about the garage. You ever go in the garage? Yeah. Ever? Could you ever? Can you ever? Did she have you go in the garage or on the crime?

Yeah. Compared to Carol's interrogation, this one. Compared to Carol's interrogation, this one seems extremely laid back and relaxed. It feels as though there's a big chance Ricky Jen. chance Ricky genuinely just doesn't know what's going on. However, the cops do pick up on the fact that he's a little nervous. He's finding it hard to look the detectives in the eyes and he seems a little soft-spoken. So to clear things up fully, they decide to put the pressure on big time to see if he breaks. Ricky, we got a problem. We got a real good problem. I think you know what

it is and I think you need to be honest and up front with us. So we're going to give me an opportunity of you now, tell us what really happened. That's what happened. What happened? What happened? What I told you? I'm not talking about the little details we've been asking. I'm talking about with Patty.

Patty, I don't know. She's been on your sister's as far as I know. We know Patty's deceased. Patty's got a gunshot wound to her. And she was found in a tote in that garage. So you have to tell us everything you know so you don't complicate yourself any more than history. Because here's the thing, Ricky.

There's things, there's investigative tools we have. We're going to find out exactly when she died, where you were when she died. I'm betting you were in that house, and you know exactly what happened. No, I don't. I mean, I have a problem, Patty. I'm not saying that a problem with her. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, you know something.

I don't. I don't know. anything. I swear. You don't know this woman. This woman, Carol. She has fucked with my head. She has cheated on me behind my bag without me knowing about it. The only way I found out about it was tripping over. So finding it on accident. Her stolen me something on her phone and then all of a sudden I love you too baby pops up on her phone. Why are you with him? We went to bouncing this year trying to make things work because I love her, I love it else, and essentially, I really do. This is not the reaction a guilty person would give in this position.

He's never defensive and he never gets annoyed. He just tries to explain things exactly as they are. He's not upset that he's been caught. It feels like he's upset that he'd ever be accused of this. He also gave a few pieces of information that could be backed up by the detectives, such as the facts that Carol had been cheating on him and that they'd been in therapy. In just five minutes, detectives went from assuming him to be the main accomplice to completely discounting him as a suspect. Carol, however, completely stayed in the spotlight, and it was eventually assumed that she acted alone and with intent in Patricia's murder.

It was determined that Carol killed Patricia all the way back in November and hid her body for roughly two months before John had caught on to her act. Although Carol never verbally confessed to the crimes, she was charged with first-degree murder, felony use of a firearm, and larceny of $20,000 or more. She faces life in prison. Ricky was let go with no charges.