Dr. Insanity - Police Discover A Mass Killer's Secret Hideout

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Find our extended and exclusive videos on our Patreon: drinsanity On April 8th at around 1pm in Akron, Ohio, Sarah Evans found her good friend Benny King dead in his bedroom. Police had many suspects, but ultimately failed to find the killer, until another identical murderer happened across town. They now had a serial killer on their hands, and knew they had to find the killer before he took another life. [REGARDING CENSORING] On Patreon, we share full, uncensored true crime videos As journalists, we believe you should have the option to see everything we cover so that you can form your own opinions. Getting police footage and info isn’t easy; it takes time, effort, and legal help. Since Patreon doesn’t have ads, we ask for a small fee to cover these costs. By joining, you’re supporting real, raw true crime content. All the money we make from Patreon goes back into making more content for you on YouTube! Thanks for helping us keep it going! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The back door is open! These doors are open right here. It is not normal. This is not normal. This is Sarah Evans. She's just found the body of her good friend Benny King covered and bled inside his own home. The killer, however, was nowhere to be seen, and every witness they had blamed somebody different.

All I know, you're skinny a guy about six foot, six five, black. With a young guy, he's a young white guy. Did you talk to that f*** out there? She's been taking all his money. Weeks later, another murder happened. across town in exactly the same fashion. They now had a serial killer on their hands, and they had to do everything they could to figure out who it was

and where they were hiding out before they killed again. It all started on April 8th when Akron police received this phone call. 911 location of your emergency. Oh my god. What is... No problem. No problem, you know. No need to die.

I understand. Oh, I'm going to stay breathing. No, I don't know. I'm not at the... Oh, my God. Immediately, police rushed to the scene. The ground over there. So I had to come in here.

Okay. Do you go hang out over there for you so you can have room to work here? Sit. The ground floor had been ransacked, but it was the scene upstairs that had terrified Sarah. Upstairs lay her good friend, 69-year-old Benny King. rolled Benny King, and cops would find that he'd been stabbed 33 times. Oh, where's his injuries, I don't know. I had not touched him.

All I did was touch him to see if he was stiff, but he's stiff and cold. So we're calling it obvious. I'm not going to move him. Initially, the cops had no idea what could have possibly happened to Benny, but as they explored the house. more, a clear picture would slowly be painted of exactly what had happened. His bed was absolutely soaked in blood and his walls were covered in it too. Police presumed that Benny had been attacked in his bedroom before he crawled into the

hallway begging for his life where the killer finished the job. The majority of the cuts were to his head, neck, and upper body, but there were a few wounds on his hands as well, indicating that Benny had courageously tried. to fight back. The police don't know this yet, but in just a few weeks, this exact scene would be found across town in an identical murder. For now, though, what police found in the kitchen was even more bizarre. You can't find anything? I didn't dig around too much there. I'm really not going to. Well, because the way

you call and said that all this cabinets in the kitchen are open, and she checks on them on the regular reason and says, I don't know why that would be like that. By someone who's looking for something. Like all the cabinets here are open. I mean, who does this? Oddly though, nothing seemed to have been displaced or stolen. Something very strange is going on. So the cops turned to the person that discovered Benny's body, Sarah Evans,

who had some crucial information that would start to spiral this case into a complex mystery. Was it the back door that she found open? No. When I come back to 113, this door was. 11.3, this door was locked. Okay. And when I called you, when I come back up, the front door was unlocked. Okay, so you actually here this morning at 11.30.

And you spoke to him then? No, I didn't see him. I thought he would lay down and take a nap from 3. And then you came back after 1, and that's when you found the door open. Yeah, it was unlocked. Okay. The back door is unlocked, too. Did this usually keep his doors locked?

Yeah. So I said, he locks it because he takes a nap. But as soon as he gets up in the morning, he unlocks it. Was the dog, how, when you got here? No, the dog was in the chair. Okay. And that's why I knew we were to see the standout with the dog in the chair for a while.

Detectives then asked Sarah if she could think of anyone who had any issues with Benny. That's when she mentioned two brothers, Justin and Johnny, who were often seen visiting Benny. Sarah also told them that they had ongoing problems with Benny and were sometimes seen fighting with each other. In fact, their most recent argument, resulted in Benny chasing them off his property with a shotgun.

Justin also had problems with drugs and was always on the lookout for a way to make money fast. So it's rumored that he'd stolen something of Benny's and pawned it, causing all these arguments. The drug addiction, history of exploiting Benny, as well as the gun incident just days prior, meant that police figured they've finally had their suspects. But that's when Sarah mentioned a suspicious vehicle that had been so, had been spotted outside Benny's house right around the time of his death. That was up through here earlier today, this morning, I guess, and sped away. They come back, I know it was earlier this morning, and come back and sped away again.

He said it was a younger white guy driving. Who said that? A guy, I can't tell you, because he's in trouble. He's got warrants, you know? Okay. Well, what's his warrants for? I have no. I have no idea.

This seems like vital information, but the only guy that saw it, is quite literally on the run from the cops with outstanding warrants. So the officer tries to see if he can strike a deal. Okay. I'll tell you what. There's a detective coming. Okay. I understand if you guys have a friend, has that some warrants. If it's possible that we can guarantee we're not arrest him, not doing anything.

Do you guys go ask him if you want to talk to us then? Ordinarily, a fugitive would never agree to a deal like this, but because Benny was such a nice and respected guy in the neighborhood, he comes outside just a few seconds later to tell the cops everything he knows. How's the going, brother? I was out here on my friend's porch and I saw this goldish, older style hummer, big body hummer, speed away from over here. I don't, like, I didn't hear no noises like gunshots or anything. Okay. How about what time was, what was that? 1030 11ish maybe 12 I come up here no no it had to be like I was up there

1130 okay so it had to be about 10 30 or something okay so between 1030 or something and all this happened okay she discovered that I've not seen that you've never seen that car around here and nothing did you have to try happy to see who was who is driver a white male okay blondeish short hair short hair sort kind of crew cut like yours okay I would say anywhere from his mid-20s to early 30s. It's sped around the corner so fast as the tires are squealing. Okay.

If the car had shown up around 12 that night, that's right in between Sarah's two visits to Benny's house, the exact window where Benny was murdered. And with how the car was allegedly driving, it really does seem as though this Hummer has something to do with Benny's murder. They just need to figure out who was inside. And conveniently, a neighbor overheard this conversation and told the police that he knows a man in the neighborhood that drives a Hummer exactly like the one described.

Unfortunately, he doesn't know the guy's real name, only his nickname, Jay Bird. You're just assuming Jay Bird. Right. Being connected to a Hummer. Correct. You don't know. Right. I don't have any personal knowledge about that, but I know that I've seen him many times with the Hummer.

Yeah. What color? What color? Let's see you, Dessie Gold like that. So you've seen Jay Bird driving the school? Before, yeah, okay. It sounded like this Jay Bird was a prime suspect, but nobody on the scene right now was able to tell them his real name. But before they are able to figure it out, they're confronted with a fourth suspect, and it was the last person that anyone had expected.

This is Benny's daughter, Patricia, and as soon as she showed up on the scene, she seemed to already have her mind made up about who the killer really was. Did you talk to a bitch down there? Let me say this front me. That lady down there has been paying his bills and she's been taking all his money and not paying on his bills. So the gas bill I have not yet.

paid. We don't have a bill. So I don't have a bill to say, because she's not giving him the bills. She's keeping them. She's for, she is writing on the receipts what she is supposed to pay versus what she really paid. And this has been going on for over three months. So she's been all for three months. He's never had a bill that he never paid in full until this lady got me straight, decided that she was going to help him. She took found herself to help him. And that's her way to get her drug fix is by taking his money. That's right. She's talking about Sarah. Apparently since she's taken over paying Benny's bills, they've all either been late or underpaid. Patricia is certain that she's been stealing money from Benny this way, and in fact, she thinks she might have stolen even more, too.

And his money is going to still be in there because I know exactly where it's at. Where? It's in a cabinet in his kitchen and a coffee go. I'm come? Yeah. Yes, yeah, the body's not in there no one. I'll be right back out with you. I know right there.

Okay. Okay. Can you add to ID? Does that anybody like that? What's got in? Still? Oh, no. What is in?

A car. Everybody with this. It was in there? It was in there? No, it was in a container like this. All right folders? Yep. Where does it?

It was in here. So whoever did this knows exactly where he had his money. And she's one. And Johnny, those are the two that come down here. Those two are the suspects. I'm telling you, there's nobody else. Them two. Everything is starting to fall into place.

starting to fall into place, and now makes sense why the cabinets were flung open. Whoever killed Benny was looking for money, and that's not even the biggest revelation the cops were about to have, not even close. Currently, they have four suspects, and any one of them could be their killer. Each one of these could take days to interview and process, but with every hour that passes, the killer is getting closer to finding their next victim. Luckily, after talking to another neighbor, they were given some vital information that cut down their search just a little bit and sent them in the direction of one man in particular.

They were able to discover that Justin, one of the suspected brothers from earlier, had a nickname, Jay Bird. The money, the gun, the drugs, the Hummer, everything was lining up, and in the cops' minds, this could definitely be their killer. So to ensure they had all the information possible, they started interviewing his brother, Johnny, so that when they got around to Justin, they'd have no trouble getting him to confess. Well, hell, probably afternoon, I took my dog over there so he could see him, me and my wife did. I had her take dog around back, then I brought the dog in for a couple minutes he could pet it. He got pissed off about something, so we left.

What did he get pissed off about? He did. What did he get pissed? What was he pissed about? Because that little dog he's got, he don't like no other dogs, you know what I mean, being around his little dog, because he's afraid the dog is going to eat him. Uh-huh. Do you go over and see him? him quite often? Yep, sure do.

Go over and drink a beer wound just about every day. So you last saw him yesterday about 7.30 in the evening? Yeah, what's this all about? He's dead. You've got to be kidding me, dude. No, I'm not. Oh my God.

I've got to go down there. The cops figured this reaction to be genuine, and as they talked to him more, they became certain that Johnny didn't know anything about the crime. But that doesn't mean his brother is innocent. In fact, what Johnny is about to say, actually makes the cops even more suspicious.

Who's Justin? Brother. Okay, would he have seen him later than you hit you in? No, he ain't been a lot around down there. If somebody said they saw him down there, that wouldn't be true? I don't know. When I go down there, my brother ain't there. Usually, Johnny and Justin would go and see Benny every morning at around sunset,

and that's been the case for the last three years since his wife passed away. Johnny can't think of a reason for Justin to be down there so early, especially not on his own without telling him. Johnny was even able to provide some extra details about the disagreement they had recently, proving to the cops just how heated it had gotten between them. He told him, look, get the fucking away from my house, don't you ever come back again.

He said, I've loaned your money four or five times on this bull junk stuff that you bring me. I'm on a fixed income here. I can't just keep giving. He physically pushed him? Oh, yeah. By this point, the cops had already heard all the, needed to hear. 19 hours later they managed to track down Justin and would bring him in for

interrogation. Justin was left in the interrogation room for around 45 minutes before the interrogation began. This is a tactic used among many others to make Justin feel as uncomfortable as possible. Hey Justin, you are arrested for those warrants we talked about. Um, you got four warrants on you. How do you know him? What is your relationship with him? You kind of take us to your dad? My brother, he was more than less like a stepfather, pretty much.

How so? Superstick ain't giving you a dollar or a cigarette or something to eat. You know what I mean? I live next door to him there for four or five months. I had a warm, which I went dead in my time and got it all taken care of. You know what I mean? If you're asking, did I care of it? No idea.

It seems rather straightforward from Justin's perspective. He had exactly the same nice things to say about Benny and doesn't seem stressed out or anxious about being here. He's leaning forwards towards the detective instead of instinctively pulling away. He's maintaining eye contact when he can and his tone seems deliberate and genuine. Everything about how he's presenting himself is relaxed, as though he's just trying to give the detectives what they need and get out of there. But unfortunately, just saying you didn't murder someone isn't enough for the cops, so they

decided to confront him with the evidence they've gathered against him. So we talked to everybody in the neighborhood, except for the one person that they said he'd banned from the house. Was me? Yeah. Is it over money, or what was that about? Yeah, it was over money, but, no, I was with my brother at his house. I told me he was drinking beer with.

I had a j. Okay. He told him he said he said anything about a shotgun. Yeah, he did. He told my brother, he's like, I should take my shotgun down there, a couple of the twins in his ass. He said he said, he said, he never had a problem with that test. He never had a problem giving me money or anything like that.

He pulled right out of his pocket. He was a good guy. I cared for him as a bad. Justin was banned from the house and there was an argument over money. But it doesn't seem like he held that against Benny at all. But the detectives find this strange. All the signs pointed towards Justin being the killer. But now he seems like he had no issues with Benny at all.

But they've still got their main piece of evidence, though. His homer was seen at Benny's house on the morning of the murder. That had to mean he was lying this whole time, right? Uh, you drove or used to drive a homer? Homer? You ever drive a Hummer? No. Did you ever work on the Hummer?

You never had no, I always had that working homework. You know, anybody that's a... No. If you watch any interrogation where a guilty suspect is confronted with a piece of valid evidence, their reaction is always very stiff and short. They try and deflect it immediately by saying no, and explaining exactly why that could never be the case, without showing a hint of emotion.

Justin is an ex-convict that works various hands handyman jobs jumping from place to place. He doesn't need to explain why he doesn't own a $40,000 SUV. His facial expression when he's asked, alongside the way he laughs and jokes naturally about the concept, is enough to tell the detectives he was telling the truth. They still didn't want to discount him completely as a suspect, but they did figure that if he wasn't the killer,

then he might at least be able to help them out. So they asked who he thought might have been responsible, and his answer was someone they were very familiar with. She knew, she took bank card to the bank, food stamps. That's what my brother was telling me on the phone the other day. And he thinks that she might have something to do with it. So if I'd point a finger, I'd probably check her for sure. Of course, he's talking about Sarah, and he's accusing her of exactly the same thing Patricia did earlier.

And in fact, John had even mentioned this in his interview earlier that day. Anybody in that neighborhood or anybody have any problems with him or give him a rough time? Yeah, what's called down the street. Who's that? I'm trying to think of her name. She lives down at the end of the road. She'd go over there, take his money for bills, go up with a corner store, and they're supposed to pay on all his bills. People come to find out.

She ain't been paying the full amount on your bills. She's been only paying a half. And I went over there one day. He said, after all, I've done for that bitch. Did they reconcile at all? No. No, he said, look, you're a thief, get the fuck out of my house. Don't ever ask me for another time.

Quickly, the cops are starting to realize that Sarah wasn't the wonderful, trusted member of the community that they'd assume she was. Now, three people have claimed that she was exploiting Benny's trust to steal his money and all are saying that she could be the killer. To make matters worse for her, she's also the only person left that knew about his money stash in the coffee can. Things are getting extremely complex, and the cops have already worked tirelessly for days now. And the problem is, the longer this investigation goes on for, the longer the killer is on the loose, meaning the higher the chances that they might kill again. So now, six days after Benny's murder, detectives bring in Sarah for an interview.

It was imperative that they either catch the killer right now or get new information that brings them straight to them. If they don't, then they'll have no suspects, no leads, and a murderer. at large. We know that you call 9-1-1, we've got the reporting, so we listen to that. We understand that you would pay his bills. Talk about that. Well, that's where we had to dispute. I didn't want to pay his bill.

What about I didn't pay $40 on it. I need to borrow that. They said, go ahead and did not remember I'm paying him back this $40. That's why I was still wrong. In the interview, similarly to Justin, Sarah doesn't deny the disagreement between them and fully admits that she took some money from him to pay his bills. But again, they seem to make up and become friends again. This time, though, the detectives aren't buying it.

Not when so much is on the line. We're hearing two different sides of what we're talking about. We're hearing what you're telling us, but we're hearing from his daughter and what is best. friends telling us now we've been hearing that he banned you from coming to his house didn't want you handling his bills or anything like that so much that the owner of the store called him say she's scamming you so you're telling us that is not true that's not true that is not true i went up there i didn't go up there until i had the $40 my hand to pay them Sarah is saying that all she took from Benny was $40 and she even paid it back it just been

blown out of proportion as she wasn't able to get in contact with Patricia and Johnny to clear her name again. It's suspicious, but the detectives aren't going to get anything more out of her on this front. So they decide to ask her some more background questions. Usually these don't end up solving the case, but this time, one of their questions provoked an answer that seriously piqued their interest. There's a lady that I was smoking, she had like salt pepper hair or long hair. That's not true.

Let me ask me, is it's not your daughter that she's not. Oh my daughter. Yeah, that, yeah. Yeah, that's your daughter. She doesn't live there with you. Do you have any other children? Yeah. Did any help with you?

Mm-hmm. The audio we received from the police department is censored here, but Sarah tells the cops about her other kid, a boy named Jason, a boy who had just gotten out of prison. Whatever. He's got out of prison. When did he get out prison? Yes, that's never.

What was in jail for? Um, robbery. But you're some big people who don't say, oh God, I pray not. No, I pray not. According to the detectives, when they asked this question, Sarah tensed up and seemed extremely closed off. She inhales sharply and her whole body jumps when they bring up this possibility. As far as the detectives are concerned, whether intentionally or not, she just told them there is a possibility. That's all they're able to focus on, and it all.

all makes sense too. She knew about the coffee can full of money, so what if she'd accidentally mentioned that to Jason? He'd just gotten out of prison for robbery and it'd make complete sense if he saw Benny as an easy target and decided to try and steal his cash. That could even explain the Hummer too. It was a nice car that Jason might have jacked and used to get in and out of the scene quickly. Instantly the hunt for Jason began, but no matter how hard they tried, They just couldn't track him down. But that's when some new information came to light. Information that would change everything.

An inmate of the prison Jason was staying at had contacted police after hearing about the crime, claiming that he knew who the perpetrator was, and promised to reveal it to them in an interview. So I'm told, you told one of the deputies you got some information about homicide? I was about the old gun and I stand. Yeah, his mother found the body, and then I heard him and his mom arguing on the phone. Bob, it wasn't supposed to go that far. Because she was always going over the house clean enough when she'd been going up for years.

And everybody in the neighborhood knows they did, but just nobody even speaking on it. I don't know why. The inmates said he'd heard Jason and Sarah talking about the murder on the phone after Jason thought he'd hung up. The cops now had no doubt in their own. had no doubt in their minds who their new number one suspect was. And by this point in the investigation, it's likely Jason's Cash were starting to run out. They had to find him as soon as possible before he got the chance to kill again. But, unfortunately, they were already too late.

Akron police and fire, can't he? Hi. My name's George Bayliss. I'm down in Florida now, but my father's still up in Akron. Akron. We haven't been able to get a hold of them and some of his neighbors got a hold of me today too and said they haven't seen them since Saturday. They said there were some people over there. They didn't really recognize. All right, so we have it and we're going to get someone over to check it out and then we can give you a follow-up call. Police quickly initiated a welfare check on George's father, Gary Ballas. When they arrived, they knocked on the front door and after receiving no response, the officers forced entry through a side door. Gary, after police.

Gary, it's after place. Gary, it's after place. Gary! On Thursday, May 21st, Gary Ballas was found dead. It was obvious he'd been dead for a few days, and given the abundance of stab wounds, it was ruled a homicide. An investigation would turn up very little information, except for the fact that Gary's car was missing from the driveway. So next, they started to talk to his neighbors

to see if they knew anything about what had happened. Acre police, just wonder if I could talk to you a couple seconds about your neighbor behind you? When's the last time you saw it? A couple of days ago. Was anybody there with him? He came over here. Oh, yeah? What did he say?

He came over to pick flowers, have you, are. Purple ones? By lilacs. Did he have anybody with him when he was there? He came over here by himself. Did he have that car there Tuesday? I don't remember. I was over here.

Right. Do you know what kind of car it is? Blue station wagon. Like a Subaru? Yeah. Anybody else live here that might have seen him? Um, my, just my case, look here with me. Have you seen your neighbor lately?

Gary? Yeah. No, uh, last time I saw it was like 3.40 ago. The car was there when she took the flowers over? Do you remember? The car hasn't been there for over a week. A week? You want to step out here for one second?

So Gary, Gary is deceased. It's looking suspicious. That's why I'm asking you these questions. He hasn't mentioned anybody. You haven't seen anybody, you haven't heard any fighting, so. All right. Obviously, then, maybe it was somebody that's come here before. It's a little odd for Gary's car not to have been at his place for over a week,

especially given Gary was still home. There's a chance that this family could be misremembering, but the cough's got exactly the same information from each of the other neighbors. Hi, sir. Hi, sir. Hi, hi, Bob. Okay. Um, are you familiar with the older, um,

gentleman that lives at the Blue House across the street. Yeah, that's Gary. Gary? Yeah, that's our. Hey, Jane. They wanted to know of Gary. What's, um... He's in, our name with...

She used to help him out. She used to babysat his wife. When's the last time you seen Gary? Uh, please. A couple days. A couple days? Yeah, like... He was out cutting his grass.

You remember what day that was? Um, Thursday. Yeah, Tess what Thursday. Is he either not my Monday? Monday? Yeah. He's always not cutting his grass. Is he?

He frequents cutting his grass. What is somebody, Gary? You were investigating an incident that occurred over there. Oh, okay. The only issue was, not a single one of the neighbors could tell the cops who might be driving that car. Gary did have visitors over somewhat frequently, but they never used his car. If the cops could figure out where the vehicle was and who took it, it seems like they'd have a pretty sure shot at finding the murder. And that's when they talked to this couple, who claimed they've seen a new guy around his house recently.

Excuse me, has anybody been over to talk to you guys here? No. Okay. You know, I called the police out here yesterday, and they didn't even mind her in there. What did you call them yesterday for? Because I haven't seen him since Saturday, and it's not like him to leave town. You haven't seen him since Saturday? He had nobody to answer that door.

Did you say you guys are positive, though? It was Saturday he was cutting his grass? Yeah. Have you seen the guy with the cane before? No. Never seen him before. Was the white or black? He said he was younger?

Yeah. His car wasn't there? No. His car hasn't been there. Yeah, he hasn't been there. Okay. But soon, the cops were able to put together exactly what had happened. It turns out, Gary was never in that car with the other man.

When his car pulled out of his driveway for the last time, Gary was already dead. But at least they had a description of who they thought the murderer was. And even better, just a short time after, the cops received word that his car had been seen at a gas station on a surveillance camera. Unfortunately, the camera quality was too poor to properly make out his identity, but at least the cops now know without a shadow of a doubt that if they find that car, they can find the man that killed Gary. But it turns out someone had already done that for them.

An unnamed witness came forward and told them that he'd seen that very car and knew precisely who it now belonged to. Jason came over Saturday morning. He was going to help me work on the house I'm working on. Did you know Jason's last name? Shoghly or I can't know how to pronounce it. Something like that.

Anyway, he came over, but I had to go to Harbor Freight, because I needed a grinder. And so I told him, I said, I got to go to Harvard Freight. He said, oh, I'll take you. And I said, wait a minute, Jason. I said, I'm not getting in no hot car. I said, is that car hot? He said, no, the car is not hot.

Uncle Will you know, I wouldn't do you like that. The car is not hot. The car this man is talking about is Gary's Subaru. But more importantly, he just mentioned the name of the man they believe killed Benny, Jason Shockley. This was a shocking breakthrough in both cases. Not only have they essentially just solved Gary's murder, but now they're hot on Jason's tale and have more evidence than ever to try and track him down. Back on the scene, they'd also notice that Gary's credit cards had been stolen, and this guy's story even lines up perfectly with that too.

He said, my friend let me use it. He went to Florida. He gave me a credit card, told me to keep gas in it, and I can buy cigarettes and buy me something to eat if I need it. I was kind of like not believing him, but he said, no, I swear. seemed too good to be true, so the detectives asked the witnesses to pick Jason out of a photo lineup, and he pointed straight at him instantly. Jason was now the suspect of a double homicide, and two citywide investigations had converged into one. Every single officer and detective in the area knew they couldn't let Jason take another life, so they had to act fast and hunt him down. That's when police received one final phone call, this time from Sarah Evans, Jason's mother. On that call, knowing how dangerous he could be, she decided to give up

her own son and told the police the address of his safe house. Oh, yeah, what is? Which house is it? Oh. Which house is it? It's the second one. The one on the right. 1887.

Is there a way to go back there? Hello. The house... Watch that? Go ahead. Jocco. The house was abandoned, boarded up, The house was abandoned, boarded up, and dirty.

and dirty. It was unclear if anyone was even inside, but the cops have to be extremely vigilant as they know Jason could be armed. After clearing the first floor, they moved upstairs as a group and tried to figure out where Jason was hiding. Only one door on this floor was fully closed, and every other room was empty. This is where they think Jason is. Problem is, they've already made a lot of noise. so whoever's on the other side of that door could be prepared. That's why they decide to storm in.

Hands, mother-fuck! Hands, motherfuck! Hands! Don't move. Roll over and put him on the top of your head. Roll on your stomach, hands and behind your back. Let's go. That's right.

That's right. Hurry up, Jason. Anybody else in the house? That's good. Have anything to leave on you, man? Besides the not? Yeah. All right, stand out.

What's up, picture? You can put them in a cruiser. You got shoes, buy? Where are your shoes at? Where are you going to need to back the right there. You're going to pat them? You're going to have you? Yeah.

How old are you now, man? Where are you? You as a kid over there, man on Johnson block, man? Yeah. Is this nailed shut or can you get this open, Jason? No. No, no. That would be good.

I don't know. I don't know. We're two by four dollars off the bottom. Okay. Are you out there? Yeah, I'm right here. There he comes. All right.

Do you know, does anybody... One foot at a time. Watch your head. I don't think so. I don't think they even know. Yeah, we need to get... No. Come on, man.

Just as they'd hoped, Jason was found lying amongst rubble and trash on the second floor, attempting to hide away from the very people who just put him in cuffs. Thankfully, he put up no resistance and a quick sweep of the house confirmed he was the only person here. Amongst the trash on the floor, the officers found multiple knives and a credit card belonging to Gary Ballard. Alice. After six weeks of investigations, they'd finally caught him. He was then taken out of the house and into the back of a patrol car. But there was still one problem with all of this. They still had no evidence that he was the one who killed Benny all those weeks ago. Sure, the connection is strange and multiple people have accused him, but there's nothing solid. That's what the cops

wanted to change in the interrogation room and bring peace to Benny's family almost two months. after his death. Remember, Jason is likely not aware of exactly how much the cops know. All he knows is that he was arrested and now the cops are interrogating him. He might even think that they don't know about the murders and that he could get away with everything. How do you know Gary Bayless? I knew that Gary, like I said, my cousin lived next door, but my mind used to go over and help him out a lot. He gets to tell him you about how he hates, I will talk, and everything else.

Yeah, he's a very smart. Man, yeah. He's out there. He's a trip. Yeah. I've seen, you know, if there'd be a possibility of people in his car so that they'll get to work and stuff. Okay. You know, he's if you're on it for a second, you know what I mean?

He doesn't like people using this car and stuff. Right. some of the I think I want to see you or see you to sleep I want to see you like you know

you know that I just got out of prison so how long have you had a car for I've had this car for a few days how did you know you don't know I've known Gary for almost nine years

oh wow so you can't have a long relationship I've stayed a night or two at his house in four years oh yeah yeah everything up until this point is mostly the truth he did know Gary and he had spent some time with him recently but remember he was found with Gary's stolen credit cards in his stolen car just days after he was murdered this is shaping up to be a textbook

interrogation where the detectives will have to catch him out in various lies in order to extract the truth and they're about to start that process immediately Jason, tell me what happened, man. What do you mean? Tell you what happened. I have people that are in the area that see you and him together. He's been deceased since about the same time you've seen him. You've got his card and his credit cards. You tell me what happened.

I told you. He lends me his car with work. Why is his neighbors and his son everybody else in and he will not lend his car to him? Everybody has told me that. And then that's what they're full of that. Look, all that did was enough on the outer door. You can smell from the sidewalk. He's claiming that Gary had lent him his car for work

and had used the credit cards he'd left in his car to just buy a few cigarettes. But clearly the cops don't believe him. In fact, this entire questioning segment about Gary is more of a formality. They have much more evidence about this crime than they do Benny's. So their plan is to try and have him confess to Gary's murder so that confessing to Benny's doesn't seem like such a big deal. It seems like a clever strategy, but it won't work if Jason simply refuses to admit to anything. When you agree to us, I agree with us, it's kind of weird that you're the last person that has seen with him? Yes. I find that weird. I see where you guys stand with.

But at the same time, I'm not normal. I do. That's not shit I do, man. Sometimes people don't go in and sometimes people get an argument. No, no, no, no, no. Anybody that knows me will tell me that's not what I do. So what I smoke so crack. I've been smoking because I was 10 years old.

But, you know, what I do so stupid shit like that. At home. If you were a jury and you heard your story, about a man who loaned you, his car, who has been known not to loan his car to anybody. His family says, his neighbor says so, because if you don't help yourself, this can end up really bad for you. When confronted with the cold, hard facts, something changes about Jason. He loses his confidence, he's fidgeting with his hands to try and distract himself,

he avoids making eye contact with the detective however he can whether it be looking down at the table up at the ceiling or even at the wall next to him he almost looks ashamed and that's no illusion pay close attention to what he does next as it marks the beginning of a startling confession even if you did wrong and the judge and you admit to what happened and everything else the judge takes that into consideration because it shows remorse You want me to turn it off? Stop. I'm not erasing anything.

I'm not erasing anything. I'm not erasing anything. I have it is. I can't do hope. You race, I'll say, if you want the first one, you'll tell you what you say that. There, it's completely off. Jason thinks that that audio recorder is the only thing recording what he's,

saying right now. Somehow he doesn't realize the camera in the corner also has a microphone belt in. So now that the audio recorder is off, he thinks he's free to say whatever he wants. You got to be talking real crazy about my eyes. That's right there. You stop. So, I'm like, you know what? I gotta go. I get up before me.

And he broke his cup back in. He had wine and he threw him back. Get up his knife. I pushed him down. He dropped the knife. I took the knife. When you put that right, back in his chair. You said, I'm going to shoot.

Okay, when you went to reach, I don't know. I should have, I'm going to. I'm so sure. It was a textbook confession, and the cops did an incredible job at helping him through it and making him feel comfortable. The thing is, they know this still isn't the whole truth. they need for now. They could disprove his self-defense story later in court. What matters is that he admitted to it in some respect. Now they can switch gears to Benny's murder, but he's not going to make that one as easy. You probably are going to prove that you did Benny.

No, because they didn't do it. And you're definitely going to be looking at a capital case. And I'll be looking at a capital case as an innocent of a man for somebody out of him. So you told us about Gary, just like to take the pen and he said that two cases are like a mirror. No, you're lying about the cases being similar. Despite just being finessed into admitting to murder, Jason suddenly thinks he's the smartest person in the room. The cases are almost an exact mirror of each other, but Jason thinks he can escape liability for at least one of them. But he's dead wrong. And see, here's another thing.

You just told us that you went through Gary's pants. you won't do Benny's pants too because you know because Benny was known to carry several hundred dollars in his pants pocket that I didn't know

everybody I did it I did it so Benny never pulled money out in play I didn't say that most moms are like there's no way

my kid would be good no she she knows for a fact that I didn't do that I'm not saying about Benny I'm just saying you're moms sitting there thinking

you know It's impossible what we talked to her about. She's right. She's good. Yeah, we talked about. She's freaking out. And as far as me asking her, if I thought you did it, it was now, hell no. It was, oh my God, I hope not.

Jason, do you see what you're here? Listen, to me, okay? I don't told you about fucking years, though. But this shit about baby was not me. And despite all the pressure the cops put on him, him, this is the story he stuck to. It seemed he thought he could maybe convince a jury of one's self-defense charge, but two was simply too suspicious.

But that didn't matter, as the cops figured they still knew exactly what happened. Jason knew Benny through his mother and had heard about the coffee can of cash. He broke in one morning and an attempt to steal the cash, accidentally waking Benny in the process. They started fighting and Jason fearing he'd called the police stabbed him multiple times. Eventually, Benny crawled out to the hallway where he bled out. They also started to discount his story about Gary's murder. They believed that it wasn't any form of self-defense, and in reality it was simply a disagreement. Jason had gotten irrationally angry after Gary refused to let him use his car.

In his rage, he shoved him to the ground and killed him in the same manner, before stealing his credit cards and leaving in his car. These are the theories that the prosecution presented to the jury. and, as expected, they believed them. Only one person was charged in the murders of Benny King and Gary Ballas. Justin, Johnny, and Sarah were all ruled innocent. But Jason wasn't so lucky. In 2022, he was convicted of both of the murders and sentenced to life in prison.

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