Dr. Insanity - Police Find Dead Mother In Daughter's Garage

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Police Discover A Body In Their Suspect's Garage Police are knocking on the door of 50-year-old Carol Rey’s home. Carol’s adult son, John, called the police scared that Patricia may be missing. She hadn’t answered his messages in days. But at this point, police are completely unaware of the horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from them inside the house… Subscribe for more crime videos like this. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, you open that? You should fit in here? I mean, she's in there. Oh, she's in there. Police apartment. Police apartment. Hi, how's it going? Are you Patricia?

No, I'm her daughter here. This is 50-year-old Carol Ray. lives with her mother, Patricia, and her three-year-old daughter. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here. No, she was a sister. Okay. I'm just asking because someone was worried they didn't know where she was at.

My son John and him and her having a little bit of Tiff because he was quite a bit of money. He's been trying to call her for 24 hours now. And I gave her the message yesterday. This made sense to the cops. Carol's mother, Patricia, didn't want to deal with her greedy grandson and decided to move out and ignore him. Or at least that's what Carol claimed, because at this point, police are completely unaware of the horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from them inside the house. And over the course of the next few days, this simple missing persons report would turn into hands down the most gruesome and disturbing case that they had ever worked on. And then I get a text message from Carol's mom, but it doesn't read like Carol's mom.

My grandma just checks at me, I guess. Okay. Send him to the cops to my house again. Oh! My grandma's not at the house. It's clear that you're not telling us the truth. Where is she at, Carol? Following the interaction with Carol the previous night,

John would call the police again, slowly becoming more concerned that something had happened to Patricia. So at 11 a.m., on January 22nd, officers would arrive at Carol's house for a second time, with the intent to find a conclusive answer to John's worries. Grandma's Patricia. Mom is Carol. Hi.

Are you Carol? Is Patricia here? No, she's not. She's getting her B-12 shovers, something like that, with Dr. Paws. It's not written down anywhere in here? Maybe I'm no, she's briefed on this back of the T on the old calendar. This little girl. This is my daughter, Alice, and her granddaughter.

Hi. Oh, okay. Does she live here with you? Yeah, we lived together. Your grandma or your mom? I'm sorry. Yeah, she's been, she's been staying at her sister's house for a couple of, a couple of days because we just got diagnosed with the morning and got home from the house.

I had a diverticulitis that rupt. Okay. So she's back here, though, staying here primarily now? Both. I mean, all of her clothes and everything are here. She came by yesterday, and she was here last night, but night before last, and she was here yesterday until about 5 p.m. and picked up her medications, and a fresh change of clothes and stuff like that. Okay. Well, the reason we're here is because your children are concerned about your grandma. My son, John, yeah, he sent you guys over last night, which I contacted my mother about, and she had a fit, and I was going to go down to there's the police department today about it. Well, there's a little bit of a financial money issue between my mother and my old son John, and he borrows a lot of phone, doesn't repay it. He's got a truck in the backyard she bought him, a car in the garage that she bought him, that she took back, because he won't pay the insurance on it.

So my mom is a very finicky woman. I see about that now. Call him when I got damn ready to call him. I got things to take care of. Right. Okay, okay, okay. I told you, ma'am. I said she's 69 this year.

Based on Carol's story, Patricia is back living at her house and is currently at the doctor's office getting a monthly shot. Everything lines up. Patricia temporarily stopped communicating with John due to a financial dispute. However, John, being a caring grandchild, got worried something more sinister was at play. It seems like it was just miscommunication. However, officers decide to get all of Patricia's information and check her room just to ensure nothing's off. All right.

Where's her room here? It's right back here. Can we just look at it? Yeah. Do you want to see where her clothes and everything? You want to show them we're going to be off? I'm sorry, baby. You want to show more Grandma V's room is?

Her room is the last one on the right. Allison's the first one on the left here. We let Natalie sleep in. This bedroom since Grandma B spent the night already. So she can have her stuff done. All right. No, her clothes are in there. My mom's stuff that she just lost.

Okay. All right. We're good. We get the call, you know, and then there's one side of the story, and then there's the other. So if he's got everyone worked out, like he said, he might call. Someone else might call, and you don't want us showing up here a million times. So we want to just hear in person. Hey, you're fine.

That's all we need to do. Okay. All righty. Thank you. You're welcome. Have a good day. The officers have one. simple task to wrap this case up. Simply confirm Patricia is okay with their own eyes.

To do this, Officer Pelt decides to call the doctor's office where Patricia is apparently being treated. However, the call doesn't go as planned. Hi, this is Casey from with cardiology. How can I help you? Hi, this is Officer Pelt with the Roseville Police Department. I'm just calling because I believe you have a patient in your office by the name of Patricia Bennett. And she, she's, She has some family members that are concerned about her and are trying to just make sure she's there? Nope. She's not here.

Her actually, they might have got the date mixed up. Her appointment is February the 13th, but I'm going to go ahead and ask a couple of my colleagues just to make sure, like, did she come here or anything like that? Or is she planning on coming there? Nope. She's not supposed to be in today. Nobody's seen, like, she hasn't come in yet. or anything like that, but we can watch out and contact you. Suddenly, things are starting to miss a line.

John insists that he thinks Patricia is missing, and now the only person living with her is lying about her current location. Something is definitely not adding up, so officers decide to speak to John again to further investigate the strange situation. I just don't get why my ground would make her Facebook post saying she's at home. You guys show up and she's not there. And that was literally two minutes ago.

As soon as you pulled away, she texts in my dad there. There may be other circumstances that we're not aware of or the family's not aware of. So what your expectation is that this woman here is, who's your mother, is hiding your grandmother from you? Yeah. For what reason? She's trying to take the money from her that you think is the title to you? No, no. Okay, I don't know.

Your grandmother, what? Our grandma raised us. Raised you, okay. Okay. So generally, yes, I'm really like to start. Our mom has been out of her life. Right. Okay.

Our mom's never end of life. And I just don't want my grandma to be passed away and she's collecting or hopefully she's just hiding her because she's sick. And my grandma's on as long as long as though. I really have a pissed off grandma than I'm missing.

Or dead. Well, if she's dead, then I mean, if she's got a body hiding somewhere or is done away with her, I mean, and then trying to collect Social Security or whatever she receives, I mean, that takes some effort. My grandma has fraudulent

charges on her. When was it, what? A couple years ago. A couple years ago? Okay. And what happened to those charges? I think my grandma decided to not pursue them. Okay.

Holy. I had, like, would lock her up because that's your daughter, but... I'm not trying to get her in trouble, but why would you keep lying and lying and lying? But so that's why I'm thinking that nothing's been adding up. My grandma just texted me again. Okay. I'm sorry. In my house to my house again.

My grandma's not at the house. John's claims are frankly terrifying. Not only does he suspect his mother of stealing from Patricia and using her money, but he thinks she may have even murdered her. Accusing your own mother of committing such a terrible act is something officers need to take seriously. However, there's no evidence to suggest that Carol had even harmed Patricia, let alone killed her, so these claims feel drastic, unfounded, and premature.

Officer Jerobix seems to have felt. these claims were over the top as well. So he would lead John to the station to file a missing person's report. Additionally, he wants to learn about John's history with Carol and why he thinks she may have killed Patricia. Alongside John would be Carol's ex-husband, T.J., who claimed to have important information that could help solve the case. I'm just going to record you and I. All right. So when did you physically last see your grandmother eye to eye? At Desjardin, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans.

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I came back from North Carolina Thanksgiving, so then it's here. Went there on Christmas, then it's here. I've been calling her and asking her to call me. I need to hear your voice or have my mom have you call me. I need to hear your voice. Or I'm going to do a welfare check. I threatened that a couple weeks ago. Yesterday I just cracked and finally called her then.

And now you haven't had any voice contact with her since Thanksgiving. Somebody has texted me off her phone or off her Facebook. I know it's not her just because the words they use. It's not how my grandma talks. When was the last time you saw Carol? I thought I saw Carol, period. Not Carol, Patricia. Oh, okay.

I'm like, I'm like every time I drop my daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're like Patricia. Patricia. Contact with Patricia, yes. Yeah. It was around Halloween time. I did receive one text message the other day stating that she was, um, sorry for holding up Carol. Carol and my daughter were supposed to hang out because it was my birthday this weekend.

Getting around 6 o'clock, I started texting her, I'm like, what the fuck's going on? You know, it's my birthday. You were supposed to be celebrating it and blah, blah. You, Carol and Allison are supposed to be celebrating. reading on Sunday at your birthday. Right. And then I get a text message from Carol's mom, but it doesn't read like Carol's mom, but it says, sorry, I'm holding her up, signing over the cars and giving her title to house and insurance stuff, so she cab get that stuff, find Monday.

It's kind of, when Carol types a lot of times it comes up kind of misspelled, it's because she doesn't wear her glasses and stuff like that. The only contact that you've had with her was from a random message. And she said that she was with my aunt. So I did some research. I went there today and spoke with my aunt. She hasn't spoken with my grandma's in 2015. Remember how Carol said that Patricia moved over to live at her sister's house?

Is Patricia here? No, she's not here. No, she's a sister. John visited that house, and Patricia's sister claimed that she hasn't seen Patricia in over five years. And she was messaging me today while we were there with the cops, saying that she was home and messaged my dad that she was home when we know she wasn't there because the cops were there. My dad screenshied him on and sent me those messages.

Okay, can you email those to me? One thing I do know, and I mean, in this type of situation, I would hope it's more true than it is the other, is, I mean, I mean, I have no, like I said, I've known carous since I've been 20. I mean, like, bold face, like, you can show her, like, here's a picture of you, and I have. Here's a picture of you doing this and da-da.

It's not me. I mean, so she's always been a chronic, chronic liar, especially when she's off for meds. Because she does take lots of medicines longer than I think even when we were together. I mean, I'm sure you can get her list of medicines that she was taken. But I guess she lost her therapist, so she has not had medicine for the last couple months. And when that happens, things get kind of wonky with her. Many other conversations are then calling the house phone, social media, off of a messenger, calling her that way, texting her, nothing. And then on 12th of January, my mom texted me off her phone, saying, Grandma be sleeping, getting over and moaning here.

I was like, however call me, I need to hear her voice if she never does this, if she always calls me, and there's no response. These interviews helped clarify why John would go as far as saying Carol had killed Patricia. She's been lying to them for months, nobody's been able to see or speak to Patricia, and she happens to have a decent surplus of cash that the family has been pulling from. And remember, on top of all of that, Carol lied to police about Patricia's whereabouts at the doctor's office. The evidence makes it abundantly clear that Carol's not telling the truth, and trying to hide something, and it's likely something horrifying. So police try and visit her house a third and final time,

but this time, they aren't leaving without answers. Hello. Hi, again. Is she here now? No, she's up at the Lever Cancer Institute, eating her V-12 shock. I'm sorry, I don't mean me gripey with you, but where is she at? We're just getting complicated information as well.

The doctor's office that you told us she went to, she's not there. With cardiovascular is where she goes. Dr. Tepazin is who treats her leucosidic white blood cell cancer. not the white blood cell okay because you said she was at woods cardiovascular because she has a lot of what's your daughter's name

what's Allison Allison Allison Allison you're just getting conflicting information from it's a nice balloon oh it's because I know

thank you I can't keep on the way Woods cardiovascular is where she's been treated yeah is where she's been treated for a long time with Dr. How does she?

get there? How did she get there? Her sister drives her, or I driver? You didn't drive her today, so today. And sometimes her name is her across the street. How did she get there today, though? I believe her sister. Her sister? Yeah. The sister that lives in Warren? Yes. Okay.

But you don't have your sister's number. I don't talk with my aunt or my own. Well, last night, she stayed over there. When the officer came here, she did not speak directly to her. No. You spoke to me. Okay. Because she was at my aunt. She was here, yes, right before last.

Is that your phone? She was here. Yes, that's one. I just hate you. Listen, we just want to know where this lady is. I don't understand, but you guys are upsetting my daughter, and you're upsetting me. She doesn't look upset. That's fine. Because you don't hear her in C-Sos when she leaked. I just went through a really bad domestic violence divorce situation and CPS up my butt for the past two.

We're not here, but that's not what we're here for. We're here to find out if your mom's okay. We've got a bunch of people who are concerned about her, and no one seems to know what she is. My son's father, my son, and his brother, which he's got his brother on high alert now, which his brother's wife was just here yesterday morning while my mom was laying on the couch to pick up $200 to do her tabs for the car for my son's car. Right. Right. Okay.

Yeah. Love it. I mean, I can show you a picture of my daughter and my mom. She's sending messages telling everyone she's here. She's currently here. Now she's coming back here because she just called. She just called. Why don't you call it right now?

While we're here. And she's on her way, then shortly we'll be able to resolve this. Yeah, you can us back down to her? Yeah. That's fine. You want to put it on speaker phone? Will she answer you? I don't know.

She went up through to get her B-12 shot. Notice the drastic change in Carol's demeanor when she was directly asked to call Patricia. She's no longer deflecting, but rather soft-spoken and deliberate with her choice of words. Pay attention to Carol's body language as she's asked more of these direct questions. I know she's supposed to be calling John because John's one that started this. Three, four nights ago, threatening to call if she didn't talk to him. Yeah, if she didn't talk to him by noon the next day. I had her call before she went to Sands Club.

Was it possible? Is it possible, then, that she could just speak to John? Directly. Directly. Yeah. Well, then why hasn't she? Like, face-to-face. So that they're at ease.

She's not interested. Do you want to call her again? You're just concerned. I'm sorry. She was talking, you were talking, phone was ringing. What did you say? Why can't your mother directly speak to John? Not through a message, not through text.

She can't. don't have nothing to do with her and John, though. Well, that's why we're here. I'm getting stuck in the middle of it. Yes, and so are we. So are we. And we have to figure, we have to see her. You want to just try to call her again?

What's the doctor's office she's at? Which are you? No, the Weber Cancer Center is behind McComb Hospital. Coincidentally, Officer Pelt would call this doctor's office, and yet again, Patricia was nowhere to be found. Officer Pelt knew something was off and decided to call in Detective to question Carol officially and confront her about her growing list of lies. Oh.

Okay. If this does go down here and she starts making any emissions, let's stop, get her to the station. We'll do a search moment or whatever we have to do from the house. She starts... Do you want to do a consent to search first? So you can gather anything at the house first? Is she a consent? Yeah.

Let's start out with that. She's aren't. Let me go through the house. Did she go through the garage? I have not been through the garage. The car is to check the cars. I just went through the house. It's a good side of the family.

She's at her braking. Okay. This is Detective Garibix? Excuse me. Yeah. Yes. Hi. Hi.

So we're going to, I mean, if you don't mind, we'll give consent from you to search the house to see if there's anything that would lead us to think of who she may have one with to help you all to figure out where she is plant. Mm-hmm. She didn't tell you otherwise. right you're on the impression she's supposed to be with her sister yes that's what she told you who lives in the house i do my mom and this little girl for her old has she done

this in the past well doesn't tell anybody where she what she does and your but your son seemed pretty concerned that she was in there what's on john yeah yeah but she tells you that she's with your sister her sister that's got me that's concerning correct that's got me worried but they were not worried but aggravated she not answering her phone calls The people that she says she's what she's not, that's concerned. I won't feel right if I leave this house without looking for anything that can point us in the right direction. I want to do my job properly. I make sure that, and I guarantee when she walks back in this door,

and she finds out that I search for her through her stuff to try to find her, she's not going to be okay with me because that's what most people will be okay with, correct? I'll open her bedroom door so you can see her stuff or whatever. I'll unlock the power for you so you can look at it and whatever. or whatever you want to do, I don't want to sign anything and get in trouble. Okay. There's all her pains. Okay.

When your mom left, did she take, like, a toothbrush, a bag of clothes, like she had spent in the night anywhere? Well, she's a person. And I don't do it. Yeah, does she normally sleep over people's house without... Well, she does, she did this time, and she has in the past. There's a puzzle. So she does have, obviously, medical issues.

Oh, yeah. What I'm saying is that that's also, when we're looking at somebody being missing, it's concerning because anything can happen when she's at COPD, she's got, she's had a stroke already. We understand she's... Well, she's... She's out there. You aren't very concerned. I'm trying to, I'm more concerned for your mom than you are.

I am concerned. I just, I've talked to her and seen her in the past is 24, 48 hours. and I'm frazzled because she's lied to me about talking to my and I don't know why she would do that I mean we're concerned because your mom your mom left but she didn't even pack a bag to go you know overnight she normally won't even when she came out to my trailer that I was remodeling so for like an overnight you don't pack like a just a toothbrush a change of clothes underwear any teeth obviously something's going on here we're we're fairly soon certain, then something's going on. We need to

start fresh, and we need to tell you, we need you to tell us exactly what happened. Your story's not ending up. Your story doesn't end up. We spoke to go us through it very quickly. You're extremely nervous. Well, yeah, I had the police here last night and today. Carol, obviously

something probably happened to your mother, right? You know something that you're not telling us. That's apparent to us. We're trained investigators. We We know when something's not right, and something isn't right. You have many people outside of you that are concerned about your mother's whereabouts.

Where is she at, Carol? I don't know because she honestly said what she told me when she left here. The detectives haven't cracked Carol yet, but they're extremely close. If they can get verbal consent to search the property, they may be able to find clues to further solve the case or get Carol to reveal more information. All right, listen to me. You're lying a lot, okay? I'm now at a point where I don't believe anything you're saying, okay?

I've now confirmed another part of your story that's wrong. So you need to come clean now. Let me know where your mother's at. If she's in this house or in your garage that she passed away from natural causes or whatever it is and you didn't want to do anything because maybe you needed some extra money for Social Security or whatever it is,

We can get through it, but right now what you're doing is you're hiding somebody who's possibly dead, okay? Absolutely not. Carol, she hasn't been in this house in two months, three months. Yes, she has. She's got dirty clothes in the laundry room. She's got clean clothes hanging right there. Why does that have to do anything? That's neither here nor the hair.

I don't know. I mean, what's going on? What's going on in your life? Her hair is in the bathroom. Yeah, that's odd because she left for the night. Wouldn't she want to brush her hair in the morning? Carol was caught lying through her teeth multiple times. However, despite all of that, detectives couldn't get the consent to search her property.

This leaves them in a tough situation. It's clear Carol is lying and hiding Patricia's whereabouts. But with no solid evidence, they can't be certain of Carol's involvement in the disappearance. But luckily, the police had a trick in mind, involving Carol's current boyfriend, Ricky. Since Ricky has been living in the house with Carol, he has the authority to give consent to areas of mutual access. In this situation, that allows officers to search the majority of the property despite Carol's objection to the search. As long as Ricky doesn't have any involvement in Patricia's disappearance, he would have no reason to object to a search of the property. Hey, how are you doing, sir?

Not too bad, are you, Ricky? Yeah. Okay, you're going to step back. Here's some of these detectives want to top of you. Detectors? Yeah. What's going to look? They'll talk with you.

What was the last time you saw Patricia? Like, physically saw her in person? Physically saw her. It's probably good about a mom. Would you mind coming to the station with us? So we can just sit there and talk? Well, we're trying to find, we want to find Patricia, but we're getting...

She's not over citrus house? No. How long you know what I mean? She's lied on me. Who's lied on you? Like Carol. Carol. She's cheated by me, yeah. Because she's the one that told me that she was at her sister's head.

Thankfully, it seems as though Ricky has no idea of the crimes. More importantly, he would agree to a search of the property, granting them access to most of the home. If they discover anything serious, they'll need a search warrant to investigate it further, but a cursory look around the property is now fully legal. They begin by searching her back. backyard and cars. After coming up empty in the backyard, they check the last remaining spot, Carol's garage. Boyfriends here.

Hey, you open that? I mean, oh, all right. Bloody towels, there's shit in here, it's all. She's in there. She's in there. Oh, she's in there. Oh, go out, let's see. Well, hold on, I don't know.

Hold on, hold on. I don't know. I'm not just, ah. I'm not just, ah. What? No I don't, he's looking. He's looking at open. Nah, nothing. I think I opened

up that grave then and it's full of bloody towels and it stinks like a dead body. Are you kidding? I swear to God. For what? If it's in there, Bodek or what? If they're searching for the body, yes. There's a bloody pillow in here, is there? Yeah, there's a body in that.

Where? You see the legs from the far corner. Okay. I'll go get the thing up there. Somebody said he was back here. He needs to stay. Everybody needs to me. That's a boyfriend.

He just showed up. They're looking for him. Oh, okay. He's in there. I just opened up a big plastic storage bin and smelled really bad. It was full of blood and towels, and you can see a body in there. So that's kind of where we're at. All right.

We hooked her in. Everybody was saying, people, the brothers, we need to find out what they were telling officers, because they were saying he was, like, in the back back there yesterday. It was coming and going. Somebody made a see, yeah. There is still moisture on the top of that. I open it, and there's still moisture on the top, so that's not been in there long. And there were somebody we got to talk to over there.

They said, yeah, you know, the door was open yesterday, and he was coming and going, and then all of a sudden his car was gone. This dude? Who's boyfriend is it? This is the parents. The mom, the daughter. I say we bring him there. Yeah.

Not only had they found Patricia's deceased body in the storage bin, but the body still wasn't dry, meaning the murder couldn't have been more than too months ago, as John originally suspected. This terrifying scene couldn't have made the truth more clear. Carol Ray had killed her mother and had been covering it up for weeks. However, she may not have been the only one involved in this. Ricky had been staying at the house for months now, and the cops believed he had to have known about the murder if he'd been living beside it the entire time.

With this in mind, police placed Carol under arrest immediately and detained Ricky too. Carol, let me stand up for me. What's wrong with Jane's having it back, man? I think you know why we're going, but I suggest you know what I think about what you mean to tell us, okay? Do you have any weapons any? No. I might have my pipe. Myx on me over there.

Following Carol and Ricky's arrest, both would sit in a jail cell while they waited for detectives to arrive at the station. Multiple hours later, they would bring Carol in for her first interrogation. Obviously, Carol, we're here to talk to you about what's going on here. The further we let us keep rolling, the further it's going to get without you being able to, you know, we shed some light on this, okay? The goal for this interrogation is not to get Carol to confess because she obviously did it, but to determine a motive and figure out if Ricky was also involved. accident. I'm just telling yourself, I'm explaining if you explain the truth

and it will come out as the truth. I don't believe so. I'm not, I can't give you advice, but if you want to tell your story, you can tell it how it is. I don't have to ask any questions if you want to get it out. You can do that. At the same time, once I tell you're right, if you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk.

At night, we're sleeping. between 1 a.m. and 4 a.m. in the morning and I heard loud baby my daughter and I was sleeping in the back and my mom was sleeping on the couch. Anyway there was a big crash and it sounded like someone was breaking through the glass window or breaking down the door and we'll live in my crad like I was running down the hallway and had my train with a turn like an idiot but I went not running but walking fast down the hallway and And I hit with my right foot and my leg and my head and went off doing anything when I shook her shoulder and then I heard burglating. And his great mom pulled her on the floor and I noticed it in her and she had blood coming out of her mom.

But I find somebody broke in the window or something like that there's a huge loud crash. If a suspect is highly emotional when recalling an event, they will often have trouble remembering certain details in that moment. You'll often notice the suspect unable to form full sentences and stuttering in their speech. But Carol shows none of this. While crying, she manages to form a detailed timeline of how she killed Patricia. This implies that her story of events may be inaccurate, and the murder wasn't a mistake like she claims.

Now that they've heard it, however, the detectives would be able to search for evidence that explicitly countered this story, and that didn't take them long at all. The very next day, they brought Carol back out of her cell and into the interrogation room again. Throughout this interview, see if you can spot the information that the detectives found specifically for this conversation, and watch how they use it to break her story apart. Going up to what you said yesterday, I know, said you're walking down the hallway rather than a favorite noise and the gun and the river. You're walking the owls or there, you're trapped.

You're the gun, get your finger on the trigger, and the gun went off, correct? Okay. Some of your mom bleeding. And then... Oh, I think you said, you so come me out of her mom or yourself. I'm right. Really long to freak me out. And I dropped an extreme out of the middle legion.

I have so much better. I have a shoulder region. Oh, my name. Oh, your name. The cops are clearly trying to come across this understanding and compassionate to Carol, but if their main goal was to make her feel comfortable, they wouldn't have sat her in the corner of the room and positioned themselves between her and the door. They want to eventually make her feel so cornered and pressured that she lets go of the truth.

So for now, this nice guy demeanor is a complete act for the detective to build rapport, as he tries to get her to talk as much as possible. So after that happened, obviously you found your mom in the container in the garage. Now, obviously my concern is kind of understand how she got there, but you know what I explain to me because to me it seems that you're back and everything that you could do this by yourself. So can you walk me through? I understand obviously panic.

Everything's not thin. You're freaking out. and that's your mother you love, right? And so he was waking up, he kind of walking through the minute after all that happened. Let me ask you this with Ricky there that night. Yeah. Why don't think he was always breaking it also?

I don't feel happy enough I'm going to work, you know. Until the annual Christmas. Okay. Remember an important part of this interrogation was to figure out if Carol's boyfriend Ricky was also involved to any extent. At the moment, Carol is claiming that he wasn't on the scene at all, as they'd recently had a number of arguments. The cops would have a chance to interview him later on, but for now, there's one question regarding him that they just can't seem to get their heads around. It's okay, so I was in a view, and Ricky wasn't there.

Kind of was, Rob, here, the baby waiting out. What happened, right? Did you mean, your mom on the coach? Did you move her somewhere else? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

We're operating in a situation. You're going to be yours. You want to be able to find it. Thank you. I understand that. Very hard. You're not an urge. Obviously, we're operating under panic, right?

I mean, I can picture myself in a situation in panic. You got your daughter there. Where did you move? When? Where did you move her from the house to where first? We found her in the garage. She moved anywhere before the garage. Directly in the garage.

Okay. So this is where I think, this is where I'm concerned with Ricky. Your mom, and I know this is a heart detail, but picking up your mom, there's no way to picking up. How did you do that by yourself? You're staying Ricky that day? Did Rich one over and help? Do you have any help you both?

Are you afraid to tell us you're afraid to Ricky? You don't have to do afraid of her. You're scared of him. Carol remained completely silent for almost 30 seconds after she was asked this question. The cops are right to assume that she's scared, but it might not be for the reasons they think. She could be scared of Ricky and the consequences of implicating him in the crime, but she could also be terrified of the situation she's in.

She's going to jail for a very long time. time. There's no escaping that anymore, and that's a scary reality for her. Whatever the reason is, though, the cops are still doing their best to give her a moral excuse or justification for what she did, so she'll talk a little more. She panicked, and anyone would have done the same. The best thing she can do to make things right is to tell them exactly what happened. I mean, if all people panic, people make with things. Yeah, I mean, you know, You know what happens most often when you flee from an accident, you know, it happens all the time when it would be a panic, right? I see someone who gets in a car, and they smash no car and they take off, lepersons and they're dying, I hear them on the news, and then the lies keep going, and they're like, shit, I should have saved, but I didn't, right?

That's a mistake that you made, I should have, but I think I don't want to keep revisiting if I have to. How did you get the towed out of the house? The cops are all that to come to the garage. Is it possible somebody else to the wound up for you? The cops are really focusing on Carol's inability to physically move Patricia to the garage, as to them, it was a clear sign that somebody else had to be involved. But at this point, they're not getting anywhere. Unfortunately, this isn't conclusive enough evidence to implicate anyone else,

and it's not getting Carol to talk, but that's okay, because the detectives have one piece of evidence that they've been saving for this very moment. that could prove, without a doubt, that everything Carol said so far has been a total lie. The other thing you want to bring up is, you know, she did a hot copse and your mom. They found some puncturions with her neck. Three puncturions. Not an old scar, but actually fresh protruees for her neck. How did it both get turned?

You know? Is that ever with anything after the time? Yeah. I'm not saying you were killing her, but like, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying, I don't know, maybe grow up in the street if she was suffering or anything like that. Because here's what I don't want to get caught. Because once they tell us exactly how deep they were, if it wasn't caused of death, contributed cause that we can be really

We have to get everything out here now if you're trying to do something with those ones that they'll cause those things or anything like that so I would just think right now what could have possibly caused those points for ones in her I don't know if she had tough things or anything like that I don't have anything like that A gunnerally going off and killing someone, but a gun accidentally going off and killing someone. Unlikely, but believable. But two fresh, deep knife wounds that Carol hasn't mentioned a single time?

It's going to be extremely hard to explain this one away. Not only does this imply the murder was completely intentional, but the fact that Carol Harold hasn't mentioned it means that she knew that was the case and wanted to try to cover that part up. And again, that's one of the words in your mouth, don't want you to implicate anybody that's not implicated, that'll get you more trouble. Yeah, you'll get more in trouble. But as we sit and investigate and continue to investigate in the days and weeks, months to come,

more things are going to come up. I'm pretty certain of it. The break all eventually what happened. to my knowledge. The reason of your mom was in that... What did I know if I didn't tell me? Did you say anything too that we need you to believe that you know? Did you actually not have a mistake?

Did you actually mean to kill your mother? Oh, I do not mean to kill my... Well, I'm not saying that. I'm saying... Do you understand where, when these things can be answered? That's kind of odd. I don't know how to happen. Can I ask you this?

With going on some controls, could you freak down after you shot her and she was still breathing and you wanted to make sure that at this point? No good hurt in me like this? Absolutely not. I kind of wouldn't know. Did you, maybe you kind of hope her to see, like, it sounds terrible. I like, you see a line and she's in an hour? At this point, the interrogation has been going on for over an hour,

and Carol clearly doesn't intend to deviate from her story, despite all the new evidence. The detectives are still no closer to obtaining a confession or any information about Ricky from her, so they figure they've got no choice but to speak to the man himself. So later that day, they bring Ricky in for an interview of his own and attempt to get the truth out of him, whatever it may be. Do you have any idea what's going on?

No, I don't. You have no one? Somebody at the house said something about it. Patty is not at her sister's house where Carol was telling you that she was sad. When was the last time you physically seen Patty? You guys call her Patricia? Yeah, Patty Patricia. I don't call her Patty. I physically seen her as all. I think it was like a month and a half ago. It was before Thanksgiving. How often do you stay at the house on time?

Every day. I've been there except for, uh, it was like, they had you been nice. already Ricky is being much more open and giving much better answers to all of the detective's questions he also seems exceedingly calm and as though he's just trying to help the officers out right now he definitely isn't coming across as a murder accomplice or blackmailer but there's still plenty of time for the cops to catch him out what about the carol did she work Did she have a job? She doesn't go anywhere? What did she do with most of her days?

Most of her days, keeping Allison and busy cleaning in the house, doing what she can. She needs to some major surgeries. Any financial issues with you or Carol or Patty or anything? Mm-hmm. Nothing. Carol took care of the bills. Do you know where she had no money to if she's not working? She said she had a joint bank count with her mouth.

over the mouth. Carol been acting strange or suspicious to you or different. She's bipolar, so I always said that she was the world's greatest actress because I can't tell when she's being fear in that. That's in the condition of bipolar. They're in the pulse of the hairs. I've been caught a lot of her webbed people. I've been telling her she's been feeling more distant. Ricky, I mean, I don't really necessarily know you, obviously, but you seem pretty nervous to me. What's going on? Is there something you're nervous about? I mean, I'm nervous about anything. Where did you sleep in the room?

Most in the bedroom of Carol's bedroom. Or did, um, sometimes I'm like, we're in Allison's sleep. Um, most of the her bedroom. Let me ask you about the garage. You ever go in the garage? Yeah. Ever? Can you ever? In the last time you think you've wore in the garage or on the crime?

I think we went to a look for a screwdriver. She's running out. I think it was really separate. It's been for the weeks. Did she have you go on with her? Yeah, she's going to wake there. Compared to Carol's interrogation, this one seems extremely laid back and relaxed. It feels as though there's a big chance Ricky,

genuinely just doesn't know what's going on. However, the cops do pick up on the facts that he's a little nervous. He's finding it hard to look the detectives in the eyes, and he seems a little soft-spoken. So to clear things up fully, they decide to put the pressure on big time to see if he breaks. Ricky, we got a problem. We got a real good problem.

I think you know what it is, and I think you need to be honest and up front with us. So we're going to give any opportunity now. Tell us what really happens. That's what happened What happened? What I told you? I'm not talking about

the little details we've been asking I'm talking about with Patty. Patty, I don't know. She's been on your sister's as far as I know. We know Patty's deceased. Patty's got a gunshot wound to her and she was found in a tote in that garage. So you have to tell us everything you know

so you don't complicate yourself any more than history. Because here's the thing, Ricky. There's things, there's investigative tools we have. We're going to find out exactly when she died, where you were when she died. Which I'm bad and you were in that house, and you know exactly what happened. No, he knows. I mean, I have a problem, Patty.

I'm not saying you had a problem with her. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, you know something. I don't. I don't know anything. I swear. you don't know this woman this woman feral

she has fucked with my head she has she's on me behind my bag without me knowing about it the only way I found out about it was tripping over

so finding it on accident her showing me something in her phone and then all of a sudden I love you too baby pops up on her phone why are you with them

we went to bouncing this year trying to make things work because I love her, I love it else, and essentially, oh, I really do. This is not the reaction a guilty person would give in this position. He's never defensive and he never gets annoyed. He just tries to explain things exactly as they are. He's not upset that he's been caught. It feels like he's upset that he'd ever be accused of this.

He also gave a few pieces of information that could be backed up by the detectives, such as the facts that Carol had been cheating on him and that they'd been in therapy. In just five minutes, detectives went from assuming him to be the main accomplice to completely discounting him as a suspect. Carol, however, completely stayed in the spotlight, and it was eventually assumed that she acted alone and with intent in Patricia's murder. It was determined that Carol killed Patricia all the way back in November and hid her body for roughly two months before John had caught on to her act. Although Carol never verbally confessed to the crimes,

She was charged with first-degree murder, felony use of a firearm, and larceny of $20,000 or more. She faces life in prison. Ricky was let go with no charges.