Dr. Insanity - Triple Killer Accidentally Shows Police Her Horrifying Secret

Episode Date: April 5, 2026

When three family members, Victor Perea, Mary Mouser, and Killian Mayes vanish from a remote New Mexico property, what initially looks like a messy family dispute quickly spirals into something far mo...re disturbing. As investigators dig deeper, they uncover a staged scene, conflicting accounts from relatives, and growing suspicion around Kane Mayes and his half-sister, Cassandra Douglas. What follows is a multi-state investigation involving forensic analysis, phone tracking, and high-stakes interrogations, all aimed at uncovering what really happened inside that house. But as both suspects tell shifting stories, one question becomes unavoidable: who’s telling the truth… and who’s trying to get away with it? --- This video was made for educational purposes only. The video is presented to provide genuine footage of police incidents to promote transparency in government while providing educational, informative and newsworthy content allowing viewers to examine and assess public safety material. This is a fact-checked documentary using authoritative sources. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:01 I'm not right. You nervous? Hey, I'm out here with Miss Cassandra. Officers have just arrived at the getaway motel of 28-year-old Cassandra Douglas. For the last 24 hours, she and her brother have been on the run after three of their family members were found dead and burned in the desert. 99% this is either an animal or a person. That looks like a human, dude.
Starting point is 00:00:29 And as these local officers prepare to confront the primary suspect of the most important case they've ever worked on, nothing could prepare them for the horrifying discoveries they're about to make. Rolls the police, anyone aside, make yourself note. This is a horrible nightmare. What are we living out here? I don't, you know, you tell me. This is one of the worst things that I've ever wanted to be involved with. It's a routine Friday afternoon at the hotel.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Harrow County Sheriff's Office when dispatch begins receiving a series of unusual 911 calls from a young man. Communications. Hi, good morning. I'm hoping to file a police report, and I might need some assistance doing stuff. Okay, and what's your first and last name? Kane, name. Okay, and tell me what's going on. I've been living abroad for the past six years, and I found out that my father died last year shortly after Christmas.
Starting point is 00:01:36 I have recently returned home. I'm living in New Mexico again and I was hoping to return to the family property. Since his passing, tons and tons of family possession and property have all gone missing and have either been sold off, lost, or stolen. And I'm looking to reassume possession of the property, but there are people squatting in the house. Do you know who these people are? I do. I could give you first the math names, but not anything much else. Kane goes on to clarify that the squatters inside his deceased father's property are actually family members,
Starting point is 00:02:14 mainly his uncle Victor, who allegedly took over the property and is living there with Kane's grandmother and his stepbrother. He also seemingly claims that his uncle Victor has sold off valuable assets, including firearms and expensive jewelry belonging to his father. The dispatcher logs the information Kane provides and passes it along for legal follow-up. However, not long after this first contact, on a Monday morning in January 2025, Kane calls again. But this time, it's for something strangely different. Dispatch. Hi there. I was calling because I'm wondering, what would it take for me to request a wellness check on somebody?
Starting point is 00:02:56 A welfare check on... My grandmother, Mary Mouser. Okay. The surgeon is aware. They are on an emergency call right now. As soon as they are done, they will head up there to do a welfare check. Okay, excellent. Thank you, miss. You're welcome. A couple of hours after Kane requests a welfare check for his grandmother, Mary, he calls police again for the third time to share new updates.
Starting point is 00:03:22 To the Rosa Communications, you're on a recorded line. How can I help you? Hi, my name is Kane. I called her. I was guarding the wellness. So Sergeant Nordquist is going to give you a call back. They have not responded. there yet because they've been tied up with a warrant service where the person doesn't want to come out. No, that's okay. We stopped to buy on our way down and everything is locked up tight. That's why I was returning your call because you said if we can and said I should call you back. All right. And like if they're tied up with an emergency, we got to worry about the officers and make sure. Yes, thank you so much for understanding. Okay, I will let the sergeant know then. Following this latest call from Cain,
Starting point is 00:03:59 the welfare check is officially canceled. And officers are no longer dispatch to the property. At this point, the dispatcher has no reason to suspect anything other than some kind of family dispute, and the situation appears to have resolved itself for now. In reality, something far more calculated is already in motion, and the family involved will soon be implicated in a scheme that will lead detectives down one of the most twisted murder plots they've ever handled. That same Monday, a few hours after Kane's 911 calls, a man around arrives at the police station in the afternoon with an oddly timed request. Hello, sir.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Hey, how you doing it? Doing well, Sergeant Nordquist. Mike, it's nice to meet you. How can I help you today? Okay, well, my brother-in-law helps us take care of my mother-in-law. Okay. And he normally is very conscientious about showing up when he says he's going to show up and everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:01 And we have just, you know, we scheduled him. We've been taking care of my mother-law for seven years. Okay. She's 90 years old. So anyway, we normally communicate quite a bit during the week and stuff, you know. So are you wanting to check on him or your mother-in-law? No, on him. He lives on no gal.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Yes, yes. And somebody had called earlier. We were out busy, but someone had called in for a welfare check, but they canceled us prior to us getting up there because they said, whoever it was, I can go look and find the name that said that house was locked up tight and nobody was up there. The person Sergeant Nordquist is referring to is Mike's nephew-in-law, Kane Maze, and it appears that both Mike and Kane are concerned about family members. Though the family dynamics are becoming tricky to keep up with for the sergeant, Mike is about to make one thing about Kane crystal clear.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Do you know what, Kane Maze? Yeah, I do know him. That's part of the problem. Okay, so what's the problem there? Okay, well, I think he's trying to keep the person in the corner of the look. The house is owned by his father. Yeah, well, the owner of the house, okay? Frank Barrein and he's deceased.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Frank is deceased. Yeah. Victor, his brother, stayed, was living with him along with Cain's grandmother and his stepbrother, Killian. As Mike continues explaining the complex family dynamics to the sergeant, one thing becomes clear. Three people are missing, all close relatives of Mike and Kane. But before Mike leaves, there's something serious he needs to warn the sergeant about. I'm going to get one of my deputies. We're going to go out to the address and see what we can see.
Starting point is 00:06:43 See if we can find. Okay, let me give you some heads up. His dad had a lot of guns, Frank, before he died, and he taught Kane out of the sheet. And Kane came up the other day. I didn't finish my story. When I pulled up there, okay, and I hollered out the window for a bit because the gate was closed, right? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:03 And then a person comes to where I can see about this much of them, right? Up there. And I go, hey, Ben, Ben. And he goes, no, it's me. He came. When he walks down to me, he's packed him, he's armed. And I says, well, have you seen victories? There's not nobody's up here.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Okay. So I think if I were you, I would look, there were more than two guys. Because I think he knows how to shoot. And I don't know if there were any, like, rifles and stuff like. that where he could be you know, but he might, so I had his phone, but then after I had his phone over and see he had my phone where he started texting. Your grandmother's missing, your uncle's missing, your stepbrother's missing, right? And this is what he's talking to me about. He's a pathological liar, man. I think he's up to no good at really good. You guys got to be really careful.
Starting point is 00:07:54 He said he just got off the line with Sergeant Nordquist or North. He never, he never called us. because we never call with contact to me. It's becoming clear to the sergeant that something is off. Sensing this won't be a routine welfare check, Sergeant Nordquist takes note of Mike's concerns and prepares to head out to the house. What makes this case so unique isn't just the crime scene officers will soon walk into,
Starting point is 00:08:19 but the way police have to piece it together, using advanced forensics and strategic elicitation to cut through the lies. And as the investigation unfolds, this will prove to be one of the most resource-intensive cases for everyone involved, with constant pressure, long hours, and difficult decisions at every step. Approximately an hour after talking to Mike, Sergeant Nordquist and a group of officers head to the property to conduct a welfare check. Based on Mike's previous concerns,
Starting point is 00:08:46 officers approached the house cautiously in case they encounter Kane. I got an open door. Sheriff's office, Sheriff's office, if you're going to make yourself known. Sheriff, office. Stay here with search. Stay here with search. Gotcha. Eush.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yeah, I was gonna say everything's stacked and piled. Wait up. You good. I was locked on this? Literally, when I went like that, I was like, the door just kept going, I was like, hmm. Puzzled by the home's disarray, officers leave after confirming no one is inside.
Starting point is 00:09:46 With boxes stacked throughout the home and both of Victor's cars, the blue and green Subaru's missing. Suburu's missing, officers assume the family may have moved out. In reality, the clutter wasn't accidental. It was intentionally staged to conceal evidence of foul play, and it has done exactly that. None of that is apparent now, so Sergeant Nordquist calls Mike on the phone to update him on the situation.
Starting point is 00:10:12 This is where the two men will slowly start to pick up on just how sketchy this whole ordeal is. Hello, sir. So we went up to that address. So we cleared the residence. There was nobody inside. There's no vehicles matching the descriptions of the superiors you gave on the property. But there was no signs of a struggle, no signs of any foul play that we could determine. There were some boxes that appeared to be like being packed up. But other than that, that's all we got. The thing is, all three people are missing that were staying there at the house.
Starting point is 00:10:41 But definitely the key, you know, the king is the kicker. He's the one that did all that. He called, got your name, and then he was the able to. sent me that text saying that you spoke to you. Yeah. And then he called back later and canceled the deal, right? Yes, sir. And on the face of it, it looks super sketchy, but there was no indication that we could see of any foul play or... A struggle or anything.
Starting point is 00:11:02 A struggle, yes, sir. As the sergeant tries to reassure Mike, even he begins to wonder if the scene is hiding more than it appears. A few hours later that afternoon, Nordquist returns to the station and calls Kane, trying to understand why he canceled the welfare check and why, most strangely, no one was inside the house. Hi, this is Sergeant Holclos at the Sheriff's Office. Is this Mr. Mays? Yes, sir. How are you? The reason why I'm calling is in regards, earlier this morning you had contacted our office to do a welfare check on a family member? That's correct.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Who is that family member to you? It's my grandmother. Your grandmother? Who lives up there with your grandmother at the 121-no-gal? That would be an uncle of mine and my brother. Do you have any information on them attempting to move anywhere? I was told they move soon. So the reason why I'm calling is we went up to that address because Mr. Blattie stopped by. Yeah, he was the one who recommended that we give you guys a call.
Starting point is 00:12:02 He seemed pretty upset. He was looking for Vick. So we went inside the residence to make sure that nobody was hurt or injured. Nothing was broken into. We didn't see any signs of struggle or any signs of foul play. Did you text Mr. Bleddy at all today? I mentioned that we stopped by, and I had given you guys a call, and everything was okay. Who told you that everything was okay?
Starting point is 00:12:23 Dispatch coordinator, I don't remember her name. Because the information that I got was that you called back and said you went up there and everything was okay. Correct. Now, what was in that text message to Mr. Bledy? That's what I'm confused with. I let him know that I had tried to call you, and the dispatch officer said that you were tied up with, it sounded like a pretty hostile situation. The way the text message reads was that you had made contact with me,
Starting point is 00:12:47 and I know for sure, and you know for sure, that that didn't happen, so that way it looked kind of weird. Naturally, Nordquist doesn't know what to make of Kane's message to Mike, in which he seems to falsely claim to have spoken with the sergeant. Suspecting Kane is hiding something, Nordquist ends the call and immediately requests a search warrant for a second search of the house. While they wait for the warrant to be processed, all police can do now is hope the missing trio turns up safe. A hope that is far removed from the gruesome reality awaiting them just a few hours from now.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Early on a Wednesday morning that week around 10 a.m., something strange happens about 200 yards from the house where the trio vanished. A passerby takes notice and calls 911. 911. Where's the emergency? Yeah, I'm phoning, but there's a fire off into the mound area. I called before about two minutes ago. We dropped down the road to see if we could get a better view of the fire to help you guys out. Okay. Well, we have already turned out the fire department, so we will get units headed that way to see if they can locate.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Yeah. Okay. I said it will pop a bit road for a second. They'll be able to see it. We'll let them know. Shortly after the call, two deputies are dispatched to investigate the fire. Once they arrive at the reported location, one of them spots something disturbing in the distance. A burned, flipped over vehicle matching one of Victor's missing cars.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I got a tire track towards the direction I walked as follow the path. I got the vehicle, it's smoking, I got a couple sets of shoe impressions tire tracks, all that. 99% sure there's a page in us. agent has spinal cord in here in this vehicle. It's given the circumstances bride to be about. It's all fine. Right in here. Hey.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Yeah. That looks like a human, dude. These things burn hot. Yeah. Buffalo Slater's and his team's on the way. As officers look inside the car, they can see what appears to be the burned remains of three people. too badly damaged by the fire to identify them at the scene. Suspecting a homicide, they call in Sergeant Nordquest,
Starting point is 00:15:26 and it wouldn't take long for him to connect the dots. This might be a Subaru that's a vehicle that they haven't accounted for yet. Look right here. Oh, we're sure. You see it? Yeah. All right, do you see a soul anywhere? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:44 I couldn't look it in here. It's given the circumstances, this actually might be one of the What's that right there? I was looking at that too. That's a shell cup right there. Yep. By one of our missing people, the missing vehicle. From up here?
Starting point is 00:15:59 From up here? Yeah, I guess Brad, he suspects some guy named Kane killed most of his relatives that live here. And this vehicle, I think, is a Subaru. Looks like it. This is really fresh, dude. There's more . He had to put down himself. Is it what a cult this whole place on fire?
Starting point is 00:16:17 place on fire. What officers are beginning to suspect is horrifying. Not only do the burned remains likely belong to the three missing individuals, but given how recent the fire is, the person responsible may have burned the bodies just hours ago and could still be within reach of police. So, once the scene is secured and the bodies are sent for autopsy, a nationwide Bolo is issued for Kane Mays. Although police now believe they know what happened and who is responsible, they We have no idea just how far beyond Kane this plot goes. There are more players involved, more targets, and a multi-state homicide case that will exhaust every resource police have. You gotta find him. We're afraid of him.
Starting point is 00:17:00 There was one hammish. And he was so aggressive. I thought we were gonna die. I thought he was gonna shoot us on the property. More than 24 hours after the fire, officers remain unable to find or contact Kane, raising concerns that he may be on the run. run. But this is when the initial autopsy results come in, confirming what officers had feared all along. The burned victims are Kane's close relatives, his uncle, Victor Perea, his
Starting point is 00:17:32 grandmother, Mary Mauser, and his stepbrother, Killian Mays. Beyond confirming their identities, the autopsy offers little actionable insight. At least one victim had a confirmed gunshot wound to the head, but the other remains were too severely burned to unyased. identify all injuries. Investigators surmised that the victims were likely incapacitated well before the fire was set. Following these horrific findings, they begin digging deeper into their main suspect's background. It turns out Kane Mays had been living in Canada and working as an engineer until just a few months earlier and had several documented domestic incidents involving his wife. Hoping she may know where her husband is, Officers reach out to Kane's wife on the phone where they'll find out she might know far more than that.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Hello, my name's Justin Mitchell. I'm a detective with the Oterican and Sheriff's Sheriff's Office in New Mexico. Are you, Samantha? Yes, I am. I had a feeling I might receive a call for me at some point since I did give you guys a call. Yes, ma'am. You want to tell me from the beginning, like how you met him and your relationship with him? I've actually been speaking to the Ontario Provincial Police because I thought he was messing with me, like I had mentioned.
Starting point is 00:18:44 So I'm also filing a case against him right now, but because it's Canadian and now he's in America. Who knows what that's kind of, but he was, he was a physically violent with me and I have evidence of it. Yeah, we just met playing video games online, and we started an online relationship, and for a few years, it was just basically we would talk. And then one day, he calls me up and he says that his father disowned him, and he needs to move here right away. He always been verbally towards me, and just in general, he had a weird attitude towards things. Eventually, we moved out. Brace yourself for this one because I feel that I didn't come forward. Told people that he'd beaten me and now this has happened.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I'm going to be honest with you. Like, we both had an alcohol problem, but I never drank before I met him. And he definitely, like, pushed that on me. And he pressured me to drink a lot. Like, there was always a pressure. He wanted me to do it. He just did start hitting me. He did start getting violent with me.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Probably should be dead twice. Samantha's statements are nothing short of horrifying. But even worse, she would share a terrifying recording. with detectives, captured during one of the numerous domestic incidents involving Kane. You can't let me go? And I do every time. When you ask, I let you call. I don't want you to. Please, folks.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Is this your neck? Hmm? Is this your neck? The rest of this recording is too disturbing to play on YouTube, but it clearly documents an alleged serious domestic violence incident involving Kane. Investigators now know they must act quickly, as more people, including Samantha, could be in immediate danger. So later that day, after securing approval for the earlier search warrant, police returned to the victim's house, but this time they bring specialized chemicals called Blue Star, used to hunt for hidden blood, bullets, and evidence that may have been cleaned up.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And what they're about to uncover would reveal just how many crucial clues officers had missed during the initial search. Inside the kitchen, Detective Spot one of three spent 22-caliber shell casings, along with a live 22 round. Using Blue Star, they also detect high-velocity blood spatter throughout the home. As the search continues, investigators notice clear attempts to clean up the scene, and given the precision and speed with which the bodies were disposed of, they begin to suspect a grim possibility. This was not the work of a single perpetrator. But then officers find something very strange. Condoms and pregnancy tests stored with cleaning supplies near the wellhouse and septic area.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Following these disturbing findings, police would continue searching the property and contacting Kane's relatives, worried he may already be far away, possibly even on his way back to Canada. A few days later, as detectives continue searching for leads on Kane, they decide to pay Mike and his wife, Lordus Blett, a visit. Just like Kane, Lordus also has personal ties to all three victims. Victor Peria was her brother, Killian Mays was her grand-nephew, and Mary Mouser was her brother's partner. But before investigators can hope to learn anything about Kane's whereabouts or possible accomplices, they must first deliver the tragic news to the couple. Yeah. Got a nice night.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Hi, Lordas, how are you? Detective Ferry. Bobby. Hi. This is Ashley. Ashley. You might, mind if I sit down? Well, I would like to give you guys a little bit of information. As I told you yesterday, do you want to let you know that there was a vehicle fire that was in close proximity to the house. There were three subjects that were not able to be identified that were inside of that vehicle. I cannot tell you who those subjects are.
Starting point is 00:22:42 On the property in the Subaru or that? I can't tell you what vehicle it was for sure right now. Again, I can't. I can't tell you two people. But you know there are street people? Yes. I'm really sorry that I even have to show this information with you. This is a horrible nightmare.
Starting point is 00:23:12 I mean, it's horrendous. I agree with you 100%. This is one of the worst things that I've ever had to be involved with. Upon hearing the news, Lordess is beyond devastated. What makes this situation even scarier is that she fears whoever is responsible may not be done yet. He's a psychopath. He's a psychopath. Kane, I didn't want to say that.
Starting point is 00:23:40 I didn't want to drop him into tutel, but he's crazy. You've got to find him. We're afraid of him. He doesn't even ask how my mother is. And that's just blood grandmother. We're working. Oh, my God, how can you be? Michael, how can it be?
Starting point is 00:24:01 We hoped for better. No, it's not even imagination. We are working on so many different leads right now. In my work, you're like, every bit. Just catch him. Everybody will be safe because he's crazy. In my worst imagination, I thought I didn't know how to tell you guys. is this, and I was going to say, can you look for the infrared and see if there's any graves on the property?
Starting point is 00:24:27 That's what I was going to tell you all. The grave is up being a car. That's what's something with you. And this has got to be the worst crime than you're in Mexico. I mean, I haven't heard anything this horrendous on the news lately. Yet. Indeed, this kind of killing doesn't happen every day. But investigators are about to hear another person of interest from the couple, someone who may know more about where Kane is.
Starting point is 00:24:49 So in our, in our job, you will hear law enforcement. say a lot, you know, it's what you know and what you can prove. And right now we're working on collecting the information so we can prove what we believe we know. Yeah, see, the thing is, we don't know what he did all those years. Wherever he was, what did he do, who did he know? What was his... And we have no idea? I would even be worried about his sister, Beck and Roswell, so-called step-sister, you know?
Starting point is 00:25:15 That one text he sent me about working with the, uh, over in Roswell or whatever, Roswell or whatever he said. Yeah, he was saying something about helping out his sister with her crazy ex. Crazy ex, yeah. Something like that that you had changed. Yes, I think it was a relationship, but I kind of remember that at the beginning that she wasn't with that guy anymore because of that. It was like I were supposed to feel sorry for hers. When they first were like chit-chatting and everything. Oh, and the conversation? Okay. She's talking about the Thanksgiving day call. I think that they said something about that. Mike would go on to identify the woman in question as 28-year-old Cassandra Douglas.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Cain's half-sister. And based on his concerns and the evidence from the home search suggesting at least two people were likely involved in the cover-up, detectives begin to wonder if Cassandra is the next key piece to the puzzle. So with this new lead, the interview concludes, and investigators shift their focus to Cassandra and her potential connections to the homicide. Coincidentally, as investigators prepare to call Cassandra the next day, she reaches out to them instead. with a very peculiar 911 call. Hi, is there any way that you would mind putting in a welfare check on my brother, Cain May? What's the address? He told me that he was going to 680 Cox Canyon, Cloudcroft in Mexico. 680 Cox Canyon?
Starting point is 00:26:39 Yes, ma'am. He was supposed to meet up with our uncle and told me that if he didn't come back last night and definitely if he didn't come back in the morning that I needed to call you guys. He's been part of a missing person's thing, and Mike has been acting very aggressive and hostile towards us. Not only is Cassandra claiming her brother Kane is also missing, but she's suggesting that her uncle Mike might have something to do with it. Once investigators catch wind of this 911 call, they immediately sense something is off. The timing is highly suspicious, almost as if it's part of a plan to deflect suspicion away from Kane.
Starting point is 00:27:14 So later that day, officers are sent to her address with one goal in mind, assess the situation and determine whether her claims hold any weight or if it's just an attempt to mislead the investigation. Hello. Hi. Are you Candace? No. Candice is across the street. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Are you Cassandra? I am. Okay. So my name's Ryan Poston Reader. Hi. I'm a detective with the Riodosal Police Department. Hello. Do you have a second to talk to me?
Starting point is 00:27:42 What's up? Um, so did you make a 911 call for a welfare check? I did for Kane Mace. For Kane? Yeah. Yeah. That was you that was you that. made that call. Okay. Have you heard from Kane? I have not. No, you still haven't heard from him?
Starting point is 00:27:56 I have not. How do you know Kane? He's my brother. It's your brother. My half brother. And when was the last time you heard from him? He was supposed to go up to meet with Mike, I think on the 21st. He told me that if he didn't show up, um, by the morning of the 22nd, that I needed to file a missing person's report because I already have three family members missing. Killian and Mary were supposed to go up to Albuquerque. I haven't seen those two alive since 1123. Give me just a second. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Officers have no clue at this point, but Cassandra isn't alone. Right this moment, their prime suspect, Cain Mays, is hiding inside the very house they're standing in front of. Sorry, we're also having issues with a psychotic ex of mine. Oh, geez. You're going through a lot right now. little bit and then with Kane going missing and Mike presumably having like over half of his guns it's a really really long story okay and not one that I'm 100% familiar with because cane just came back into my life September of last year so like I wish I had all my facts
Starting point is 00:29:12 straight I completely understand no big deal um how did they come into your life but through Kane okay so Kane comes into your life and then And then now you meet Mary and Killian. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then now all of them are missing. Mm-hmm. And have you talked...
Starting point is 00:29:28 Did you ever have direct contact with Mike? I never had direct contact with Mike. No. I just heard him screaming from the hill both times. As she did earlier, Cassandra doubles down on her accusations, suggesting that officers should focus on Mike, implying he may be involved in the disappearances. Officers take note of her statements and ask her to give them a call if Kane shows up
Starting point is 00:29:51 again. Their goal remains unclear, but now that they have a story, they can start verifying. So a few hours later, as police continue looking for Kane, an officer decides to stop by the neighborhood again and speak with Cassandra's neighbors to see if they've heard or seen anything. According to them, Cassandra hasn't been living alone. A man with long, dark hair has been staying with her for the past few months. Additionally, witnesses report seeing the same man driving Victor's missing green Subaru, and that it was also seen parked outside Cassandra's residence multiple times. Realizing the description of the man matches Kane, officers returned to the station to dig deeper into Cassandra's earlier claims, where they will very quickly
Starting point is 00:30:33 uncover some major contradictions. Even though Cassandra insisted she had only recently met Kane, investigators discover an older Facebook photo of the two together, proof they've known each other for years. But that's just the first lie, because officers who were out looking for Kane also recover surveillance footage from a nearby Walmart, showing Kane and Cassandra shopping together alongside her sons and daughter. Besides buying groceries and food, investigators spot cleaning supplies like bleach and vinegar, along with multiple bottles of kerosene, items that closely align with what would be needed to clean up a violent crime and start a fire. At this At this point, investigators are unsure if Cassandra is actively hiding a wanted fugitive
Starting point is 00:31:21 or if she's being controlled and forced to cooperate with someone who has already killed three members of her own family. With suspicion mounting, detectives obtain a search warrant for Cassandra's house. Then around 8 p.m. that night, a group of officers returned to the property, taking up positions outside the house as they prepare to raid it. Occupants of seven morning side. This is the Rosal Police Department. Exit the front door with your hands up doing it now. Rosal Police search warrant. I guess we're just going to boot this thing. Police, anyone aside makes self known.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Alright, we're gonna pull in. I'm gonna take left. Ready? Small room. Got another door here. I'm gonna go, I got a hallway with the, like the refrigerator kitchen. Where ya? And Cassandra Jolly's the one to lift here, huh? Yeah. They got some L'a Marte stuff right here. right here, something multi. There's a, see that?
Starting point is 00:33:21 This is something weird. This is something's been hanging up, because there's a monitor for the camera that's in the window? What are those guys on a fucking terrace watch? Did you remember what those cigarette packs for it? I had a Marlwell and then I had a, yeah, I saw that one in the closet. There's another one that, your big cans are all over this room. Your rebel can. Inside, something about the house immediately feels off to the officers, as they observe unusual posters,
Starting point is 00:34:00 usual posters, graffiti, and other unsettling details scattered throughout. They then make their way into the bathroom where one officer recalls hearing that something might be hidden underneath the house. No, I'm sure this is what here's right? Like under all this? That's what he said. The neighbor across the street said that he used to live here and there's a door underneath the Washington go at least to the basement.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Because didn't they say there's another secret exit or something here? A couple windows. What do they go to? Do you use it filled in? They look up there already or you know? On heat. Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm. Tap the banner to order your groceries online at voila.ca. Enjoy in-store prices without leaving your home.
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Starting point is 00:36:45 Officers noticed there's no dust on the items, and whoever left them behind was in a hurry, possibly trying to leave unnoticed. Beyond the basement, police would go on to find something highly suspicious, documents belonging to one of the victims, alongside paperwork linked to Kane's father and live 22 caliber ammunition. Following these discoveries, investigators secure the scene and begin working to obtain a real-time location warrant for Cassandra's phone. With their suspicions growing that Cassandra fled with Kane, officers know they need to locate them quickly before they vanish, potentially escaping to Canada. Twelve hours later, investigators strike gold.
Starting point is 00:37:29 The warrant for Cassandra's phone is successfully approved, and in a major development, Verizon pings Cassandra's phone nearly 1,000 miles away. She's no longer in New Mexico, but in Hernando, Mississippi, inside a super-aid motel. With this discovery, the case becomes multi-state, with police in Mississippi quickly briefed on the investigation. Officers are then dispatched to locate Cassandra. This is the final phase in the case, and what happens next will determine whether police get the critical answers they need or lose the lead entirely. As officers make their way to the Super 8 Motel, their primary objectives are to extract information about Kane's whereabouts, test Cassandra's statements, and determine how deeply she may have been involved in the homicide of her own relatives. When officers finally arrive at the motel, something immediately feels off.
Starting point is 00:38:25 So, what's going on? What are we looking at here? I don't know. You tell me. All I know is that my brother went missing on the 21st. We were trying to investigate his property. We thought Mary and Chilena left and the Mike came down and started being aggressive and hateful and shooting rounds. And we've already tried to file this with the Roswell Police Department down in Mexico. Would you consent to a search of your vehicle? I'll just reach the car and you can search the ramp.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Okay. Okay. Interestingly, Cassandra now seems on the verge of an emotional breakdown for reasons the officers are yet to understand. After all, only 24 hours have passed, and seemingly no new information has been relayed to her. Neither news of the murder, nor that Kane is the main suspect, nor that her house was just searched. So to get to the bottom of her emotional reaction, Mississippi officers on scene coordinate a call with Special Agent Kyle Graham in New Mexico, who's been tracking the growing list of contradictions in Cassandra's statements. Using those inconsistencies, the detective is about to carefully test Cassandra's story and see how far she cracks.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Yeah. Did the old her show up and I had to leave? So I brought them over here to Mississippi. Why is that anything wrong? Even, like, I just met Tillion and my grandmother for the first time in my entire life in November. No, I don't know. The house was empty and there were boxes in the middle of the living room. That was his dad's property. He was supposed to go to him afterwards, but he wasn't here. He had to go up to Canada. I don't. They all could. I know that they had that little blue car.
Starting point is 00:40:56 That he was driving a green car. That I don't know. What's what I'm missing? I know that car is not drivable. Huh. I'm not what I want, okay? I just want to be honest with you. I know you're looking a little bit more than what you're telling. I'm scared because I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Okay, well, we've been working this case for three days straight. Just you know, I'm not trying to see if you're going to be honest with me. With every sentence, the detective becomes more convinced that Cassandra is hiding something she fears could incriminate her brother or even herself. But there is something a lot more concrete detectives previously uncovered, and the detective is about to leverage it to completely trap Cassandra. About people swatting in his father's house? Yeah, because they weren't supposed to be there. They hadn't paid any of the mortgage on it.
Starting point is 00:42:13 We found documents showing that they were still using Frank's credit cards, and Frank has been dead, and that all of the bills were still in Frank's name, and they were still using that. And so I told them that that was illegal a fuck and he needed to make a police report because you can't be using, don't stick out of my face, honey. That's like identity theft. Is it true that he didn't even know his dad died? Yeah. He didn't know that his dad died until he came back to States.
Starting point is 00:42:44 He found his obituary. He found his obituary shortly before on the internet. That's how he figured it out. So almost a year later, he finds out his dad died. And I know that he's upset about that. But that's not enough reason to kill somebody. I don't understand what you're trying to accuse him of. Well, that doesn't sound very convincing.
Starting point is 00:43:20 You know what he's trying to... Sure enough, that doesn't sound too convincing to the detective. Because Cassandra has seemingly slipped up. At this point, no one had told her that the missing family members were dead or that Cain was suspected of killing them. Realizing her mistake, Cassandra quickly starts backpedaling to regain control of the narrative.
Starting point is 00:43:49 You got anything else to send her that you want to tell me? Do you really think Cain killed them or hurt them? I'm pretty concerned. I mean, I don't think three people just vanish off the face of the earth, especially when two of her elderly. And then Cain just comes in to, comes in from Canada, and all hell breaks those. That's kind of suspicious to me.
Starting point is 00:44:11 God, I'm so stupid. I wouldn't even think to put two and two together like that. But Mike, Mike was so fucking scary when he came down, and he was so aggressive. And I thought we were gonna die. I thought he was gonna shoot us on the property. Well, you didn't even see that he had a gun. And he told me that he had one. And he was mad enough. Oh my god, he was so mad. As a last ditch effort, Cassandra goes back to accusing Mike of being responsible for the disappearances. But in fact, officers in New Mexico have already
Starting point is 00:44:46 quietly debunked that claim, information they are holding back for the right time and place. Before leaving, they also check Cassandra's car, where they find belongings hastily packed up. But Cassandra explains this as a desperate attempt to run away from her abusive ex-boyfriend. So shortly afterwards, the officers wrap up their visit. But in doing so, they've proven something crucial. They can find Cassandra whenever they want, something she clearly didn't anticipate. It seems as though the confrontation went nearly perfectly for the detectives, but Cassandra has a crucial secret that had went unnoticed at the motel. Kane had traveled to Mississippi alongside her, was staying nearby, and had successfully hidden from officers,
Starting point is 00:45:31 marking yet another moment where she misleads police about his whereabouts. So less than an hour after police leave the motel, the two would be, begin plotting. Coming up with a plan they think will get them out of this gruesome mass murder. At 2 p.m., Cassandra's vehicle is seen in front of the Hernando Police Department. Cain would step out and calmly walk into the station. Fifteen minutes later, Cain would be seated in the department's interview room too, alongside Detective Stovall. The sudden appearance of Cain would leave detectives with little room to prepare, so Special Agent Silva, a New Mexico detective already working this case would be placed on call to assist in the interview.
Starting point is 00:46:14 It's important to know that this is an interview and not an interrogation, as Kane has agreed to speak voluntarily and has not been detained. In reality, this interview can only work against him, but in his mind, this is both his and Cassandra's final chance at freedom. Agent Silva would begin the interview by making this crystal clear. any further. I do want to let you know that you are not under Miranda rights, you are not anything like that. You are free to leave at any point. You don't have to answer any of my questions, anything like that. You can say, hey, I don't want to answer that question. If you want to,
Starting point is 00:46:54 we can go over another question and we can skip to the next one. But I do want to let you know that you are freely, okay? Thank you, sir. All right. After realizing he's free to walk out at any time, Kane shifts tactics. He begins probing the detective for information, trying to figure out how much investigators have bought into the false narrative he's been intentionally feeding them. Can I ask you something? It's on one hand, kind of nice to talk to somebody from Otero. Also, maybe a little concerning. Did we have to speak directly because I'm considered a missing person? Well, that's what I want to talk to you about, is there's so many, like, missing persons. There's a lot of phone calls in the sheriff's office.
Starting point is 00:47:38 So, like, why would 20 be Kucanin that you're missing, and there's also some other missing reports going on? Like, there's a lot of firearms missing, right? There's a lot of vehicles missing. They want to talk to you, and get your side of the story, what's going on. I was trying to come in and speak with somebody in person. And what happened with that? On my way down to Alam Gordo.
Starting point is 00:48:02 I gave another on-a-lawful. a phone call because I had seen him on the property and he was a very looming presence at the time. I was hoping to stop in and ask him about some things and some personal aspects that were going on. I wound up getting run off the property and had to kind of go into hiding because I know his influence and the extent of his company. Which uncle is that? Mike Blet. So he so Mike ran you off the property, You have questions for him?
Starting point is 00:48:36 Is that what I'm understood? Yes, sir. So when did this happen? It was when I was on my way down on the 21st, I kind of explained the situation to my sister a little bit, and I told her if you don't hear from me, call somebody. I don't want to keep jumping around and just trying to confirm everything. You went to Mike's house to talk to him and he shot at you. Correct.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Yes, sir. Because I want to talk to Mike about that. Like, why are you shooting at people from front doors? That's kind of dangerous. That was the suite that was on the 21st. I would absolutely appreciate you taking a look. Kane makes his alibi clear. Mike, the man who kicked the entire investigation off in the first place,
Starting point is 00:49:19 is the suspect detectives need to be focusing on, alleging he shot at them through the front door when they approached the home. Unfortunately, detectives have spent far more time investigating than Kane realizes, allowing Agent Silva to completely debunk Kane's story. Simply put, there are no bullet holes or any signs of a shooting on the property. Okay. So here's the thing, Kate, is I'm going to start going through some of your story here. Okay, that's not making sense to me.
Starting point is 00:49:49 I'm not saying that you're lying. I'm just saying I don't think it's fully there yet, if that makes sense. It will kind of cut off. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. You went to Mike's house, much shot at you this week, through the front door. You announced yourself, how come you didn't call 911? I know that they very much do not take too kindly to law enforcement.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And I kind of really hoping for that to be avoided. So here's the thing on that is I have, I have some investigators that are there at Mike's house, that have been through at Mike's house. there are no bullet holes through his front door. There are no bullet holes through the siding. They're not seeing you on his cameras at his house. So that's what I'm saying is some of it's not making sense. So did you actually go to my house and knock on the door?
Starting point is 00:50:56 I did it? Because you're not a camera. Did he change his cameras? His cameras go back this week. They go back last week. So I'm not seeing you anywhere on. there. We had a ton of different game camps that are all under SD Kurtz. He doesn't have any of the chips from the 21st? No, I'm saying he has video surveillance of this week and of last week, but I don't know,
Starting point is 00:51:34 they're not seeing you anywhere on the cameras. Shocked by these details, whatever he thought happened that could favor his story, simply didn't. Kane would sit in silence for an extended period of time, seemingly in denial that his plan was so terribly miscalculated. If they still have the footage, they should totally show me pulling up. I parked along the mailbox. I'm behind it a bit, not necessarily pulled up past it. uh, walked right up the drive up to the, it's kind of tucked in between the slope on the hill, and then it goes into the house where the stone steps are.
Starting point is 00:52:41 That metal storm door. Okay. I'm just trying to give you a path so that you can see. And that was early afternoon-ish. I got there between 1 and 3 o'clock. I believe it was. I have to look at the full, but I don't know if it. But if they have that footage still, then I'm definitely on it.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Kane proceeds to give a nearly 10-minute explanation of where he was parked. Unnecessarily complex explanations like these are usually a tell-tale sign to the detectives that the suspect has shifted into a defensive state looking for any validation that the detective is believing their lies. Agent Silva takes note of this and begins leaning deeper, this time pressing Kane on his sister Cassandra and her potential involvement. Previously, police recovered and documented strange items
Starting point is 00:53:50 during the Holmes' crime scene search, and it's still unclear why they were there. Silva plans to use these details to force Kane into defending Cassandra's innocence, a tactic that will create a contradicting story compared to what Cassandra told officers just hours prior. So are you aware that we spoke to? Yes, sir. And the reason I ask is I'm just trying to get, like, if something happened up there came,
Starting point is 00:54:19 I want to know, was there an argument going on? And I know that you were up there in January, okay? We can kind of get away from that. You were up there in January. If something happened up there, I want to know what happened. Okay? If there was an argument, if something happened, like, kind of help me help you.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Okay. What happened when you were up there in January of this year? I'm trying to figure out everything that has happened as well. That's part of the way I wanted to speak with you guys and kind of get you involved and looking. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm confused on these timelines. You were up there this week at some point and you were up there last week at some point. So what happened this weekend last week while you were up there with the family?
Starting point is 00:55:14 That's what I want to know. They weren't there? Nothing's happened. You were at the house in Bent on the 18th of January, Chris? I'm not sure. And that's because Cassie has been in contact and she showed us a screenshot. January 18th at 357 it's between you and her that says wait quietly and wait for me that's actually something that I was gonna try to find and it says I
Starting point is 00:55:58 believe this is from you or from her that's the text that says wait for me and that says I'm safe I'm sorry those are the texts that say to wait and that I'm It says, I'm safe, wait for me, and then there's a response that says, gotcha, I have eyes on the front, so far so good. That's the day that Mike came up to bed. Okay. At this point, Kane must be starting to realize Cassandra may not have been on his side as much as he had thought. Not only are the police beginning to take a clear side, but his only teammate might be against him as well. perhaps explaining why she dropped him off at the police station.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Note that Kane at this point can avoid any question he wants, and more importantly, can leave whenever he wants. Even Agent Silva decides to take a brief step away from the phone, but Kane would stay, instead letting the officer in the room in on what's going through his mind. Between you mean the walls really think that someone is trying to pin years with shit. on me because I came back home at the wrong time and interrupted something.
Starting point is 00:57:14 I'm just here. It's happening guys. What do you really do you on? Look. That's all I ask the question that I'm just sitting here. Mr. Silva seems like a trustworthy detective. I used to joke though and I always say it make a great scapegoat. I'm kind of hoping it's not the case this time.
Starting point is 00:57:52 I came here today to ask you guys for help and talk to people that I knew wouldn't be necessarily under an outside influence. Right. But do you see how it looks for us? I mean, they have, they've shown physical evidence of this whole situation. And you're here, one day, you're here. You're here in Mississippi, no ties to Mississippi at all. Like, you have no family here. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:58:32 You had nothing here. No, sir. My family fucking died, man. If I was in your, if I was in that seat, and a detective 13 hours away on cell phone call told me that my, who are they to you? My brother, your brother and my uncle. Your brother, your grandmother, uncle.
Starting point is 00:58:52 If somebody called me and said, said, not only was my brother killed, but also your grandmother and your uncle were killed. Somebody told me that over-a-combe. You know what I would be doing? Do you know what I would be doing? I wouldn't be sitting there, staring at a wall. I'd be bawling my eyes out. I'd be throwing the water bottle across the room. I'd probably ripped this table out of the wall. Yeah, but then you get a situation here. But I wouldn't give a shit. I wouldn't give it shit.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Because of how much I'm close with my brother. I'm not close with my grandma, but it's still with the fact that somebody did that to my family. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Well, they ask what I think should happen to Mike or whoever did this and in polite company I couldn't see. Back where I'm from, they used a tree. Right. So that's more of the response that you would expect. But the issue I'm having is there's no emotion.
Starting point is 00:59:58 You haven't, you've expressed no sadness. There's no, we're not getting anything. Which leads me to believe you already knew this that occurred. I just didn't know that, look. Even the officers with no context of the case can't help but assume Kane was involved in the murders, leaving him to sit in silence as he realizes is how poorly this voluntary interview has gone. Agent Silva would return and continue pressing Kane for answers,
Starting point is 01:00:30 eventually revealing that he had, in fact, been inside the house multiple times the week of the three victims' disappearance and admitted to helping Cassandra travel to Mississippi with her kids, something she lied about earlier in the motel. Even worse for Kane is that, as the hours-long interview progressed, officers behind the scenes were already taking action. They were instructed to locate his uncle's stolen green Subaru, which they suspected Kane used to drive to Mississippi alongside Cassandra's own vehicle. After looking through surveillance footage and searching around the city, officers hit the jackpot and tracked down the missing car. Inside, they found latex gloves, 22 caliber ammunition, an empty Ruger pistol box, and most importantly, Kane's passport, tying him directly to the stolen vehicle.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Now investigators have exactly what they've been missing. probable cause. And with that, Kane is no longer free to leave, and he's about to find out just how massively his attempt to clear himself and Cassandra backfired. How's going, bud? No, you might stand up on real quick? Yes, sir. Turn around facing this wall? Yes, sir. Put your hands on, on.
Starting point is 01:01:42 So what's going on, man? You're going to be going out to the Southern County Sheriff's Office, all right? Going out of our jail, all right? Yes, sir. Back at the Motel 8 in Mississippi, Cassandra would patiently wait for Kane to return, give her a call, or just show any signs his interview was over. But as hours passed, it became clear that something had gone terribly wrong. Growing worried, Cassandra packed her bags and fled alongside her children, making yet another 1,000-mile drive back to New Mexico. Detectives keep tracking her phone signal until it finally stops at her parents' house. By this point, investigators have more than enough to justify Cassandra's arrest,
Starting point is 01:02:31 but one critical question still remains. Was she directly involved in the murders? And if so, to what extent? Because of that uncertainty, officers make a deliberate decision. Rather than moving in aggressively, only four investigators go to the house, keeping the encounter, calm, and cooperative. Their goal is to interview Cassandra on the property, and, if possible, apply enough pressure to turn her against Kane.
Starting point is 01:02:57 If they can do this, they'll be able to pin both Kane and Cassandra against each other, forcing them to incriminate themselves. This is a price daily piece with, we can get a chair, so it's going to put a hand to you. Okay? No. So there's not 100 of us today. They're just free of us. Do you want me to start from the beginning for what I know, or do you want to ask you all the questions first?
Starting point is 01:03:23 No, I'm going to let you tell your story. And just so that you know, you're not under our rest. You're not, you're free to leave whenever you want to leave. We came to you because we talked on the phone earlier with the text. And what I told her is she needs to stop overthinking everything. You're trying to be a detective yourself because she's seen all this stuff and she's trying to put pieces together and knows that he was lying to her about things. So just start at the beginning and tell it like you told us. So I wanted to apologize to you because whenever I spoke to you the last time, I was a,
Starting point is 01:04:00 thinking straight. Not only is Cassandra much more cooperative this time, but she quickly admits that she had been dishonest before and even apologizes. Her father's comment makes it seem like she's on the verge of throwing cane under the bus, which is exactly what investigators are here for. So with the reassurance that she's not under arrest, Cassandra begins to share some much-needed details about how three of her relatives ended up mysteriously dead. So I know on Thursday, we were driving up there and we had just went through Roroso, and he said that he wanted to stop by Bent right quick. So he said, okay, drop me off here, wait here, and I will let you know if I need anything.
Starting point is 01:04:46 I've probably left him alone for like 45 minutes-ish. Where does he go? He's inside the house. Okay. And he says that he couldn't find anything. Don't know where anybody's at. and that is okay for me to come inside. And I go inside and like I kept telling you,
Starting point is 01:05:04 it smelled fucking weird in there. Almost like something had like died within the walls, like an animal or something. I was already concerned by the fact that he felt, he felt like something else had happened. So I'm trying to rationalize through that. And he's just saying, I'll do it. And we're doing things legally.
Starting point is 01:05:25 It's okay. And then he has me help him, He drives the car off somewhere and has me help him push it off. And so like this little ditch thing. And at one point whenever I tried to say, hey, you guys, like you need to call somebody, he said that the majority of the cops that are crooked. I worked in the ER down here. I can see how you can think that sometimes, for sure.
Starting point is 01:05:48 No offense. So like, oh yeah, no offense to you guys either. Investigators are clearly not fond of Cassandra's strange remark. Though by now, it's becoming clear to detectives that Cassandra is putting Kane at the center of everything, while noticeably avoiding any direct mention of the murders, the cleanup, or the burnt bodies. Instead, she frames everything vaguely, claiming Kane suspected something happened inside the house, but they didn't look too deeply into it and that she was simply helping him deal with a property dispute. Investigators allow Cassandra to continue telling her story, but the more she talks, the more convoluted her version of events becomes.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Then at this point, she even invites them inside, where the story only grows longer. After nearly two hours of listening, Agent Kyle Graham decides it's time to push back. So now we're going to get into my portion, okay? I don't know, there's been probably a team of 15 of us on this case. So we know a lot of stuff, we know everything about that property. And some of the stuff that you're saying does make sense and does add up. However, some of the stuff that you're saying doesn't make sense to me and doesn't add up. And quite frankly, I don't think some of that happened.
Starting point is 01:07:02 But I will tell you right now, I don't feel like Kane could have done everything that he did alone. And I think he included you into a whole mess of a situation. I don't believe that you killed anybody in this house or on that property. I strongly believe that. I don't think that you had any part of murdering people. But I do strongly believe that he fought. to himself and he needed help and you're a helpful person and he put you in a shitty spot and said help me I need help cleaning this property I need help cleaning this
Starting point is 01:07:34 all this blood up and I need help getting these fucking bodies out of this house but now's your chance I'm giving you the opportunity because I'm telling you right now I have all that I need the gigs up the game's over okay this is this is your opportunity and your chance to tell me what did he make you do what what did he ask you to help him to do? All I know of is that he wanted me to undo the prop, like the headboards,
Starting point is 01:08:03 the couch. But I... You notice no blood on that? Think about it before you answer that. Not the side that I picked it up from, no. All I did was what he asked me to do. But you understand, all you did what he asked you to do. It's too late.
Starting point is 01:08:19 You already helped him. That's already a crime. Which I'm... It's too late. know that. And that's the reason why I asked if I needed attorney because I tampered with evidence. Correct. And it wasn't until after the fact that I sat there and I thought about it because he said that everything was found that way.
Starting point is 01:08:37 So the charge is already there. There's not going to be any more of, it's not going to get any worse other than you just telling the truth of what happened. The charge is there. You already have a tampering with evidence charge on a first degree murder. Okay. That's a second degree felony. Needless to say, this is not what Cassandra is hoping to hear. In this moment, she realizes her days of freedom may be numbered if she continues twisting
Starting point is 01:09:04 the facts to protect both herself and Kane. Cassandra knows something has to give, so after hearing what's awaiting her, she asks to step outside for a smoke, and this is where she finally gives detectives a small piece of the truth. Like I said, I went out there. I went out to the store. And I came back. He said I found him that way.
Starting point is 01:09:43 He said he found him that way? So what did he tell you he found? People. How many people? Three. Who are there? Chilin, Mary, and Victor. I signed up for to take him to a job interview.
Starting point is 01:10:02 I didn't sign up for him to do this. Do you now believe that he did it? I don't know what's a belief. I just know that there was a mess, and then there was a lot of illegal shit. Lots of illegal shit. What else did you help clean up inside the house? Inside the blood.
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Starting point is 01:10:57 Did you help clean up anything else? There's so many red flags going on right now of still have you saying that you walked into this house and King telling you, Holy shit. I just walked into a house and all my family's dead. Let's get rid of them.
Starting point is 01:11:19 That's not really stupid. Doesn't it sound stupid when you say it out loud? Because I guarantee you, I walk into a house with my family dead. Shit's about to hit the van because we got to figure out
Starting point is 01:11:29 what the hell just happened. And I'm calling the cops. Yeah, I don't... We're telling me, we've done our research. I've gotten zero sleep in five days. I'm... I mean, we're not letting this go. This is a triple homicide.
Starting point is 01:11:43 And not letting it go is exactly what investigators are going to spend the rest of the day trying to do, hoping Cassandra will eventually crack and give them the full story. Unfortunately, though, this is the closest they will get to a real admission. As Cassandra begins to backpedal and returns to a revised version of events, where she claims they found their family members already dead. They then simply decide to cover up the scene, to avoid getting in trouble because Kane believed the police were corrupt. Detectives would spend until nightfall pressing Cassandra with no success,
Starting point is 01:12:17 and she ultimately sticks to the same story. So before ending the interview and leaving, Agent Graham has one more, rather strange question that's been on his mind all this time. He had access to my phone, he knew my passwords. Like I said, I trusted him. He was supposed to be my brother. Can I ask you a really weird question? Sure.
Starting point is 01:12:38 No, no, go for it. Why did you guys buy a brand-new box condoms? No, that was a joke. It should be the skin on late sex. And I have bought those in Chattanooga. And I threw them at Walter because I was tired of having kids and I was tired of being pregnant all the time. But why would they be in the bent house? That I don't know.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Why would they be in the bent house? That's why I have a weird question. Last time I knew about them, they were in the... They were at my house. Well, this was in the well house with all of the cleanup. He told me that there was a possibility that Corinne wasn't his mother due to DNA tests, DNA results. And that there was a potential that he had feelings for me. Kane?
Starting point is 01:13:36 Mm-hmm. And that didn't, that's not, that's not weird for you? Like to be around him without your kids when you guys are pretty much brother and sister? Like it was weird, but he never acted on it. I thought you guys were step-siblings, not half-siblings. No, we're half-siblings. Well, because we also found a pregnancy test. Yep, I had a one-night stand at the variety, and I didn't start my period on time.
Starting point is 01:14:02 And I panic, and I overthink, and there should be four of them. The detective's tone makes it clear. They aren't convinced. Suspecting Kane and Cassandra are hiding important details about their relationship. By now, though, what investigators came here to do is partially successful. Even though there's still no direct admission tying their suspects to the killings, Cassandra has implicated both herself and Kane in the cover-up. Because of this, Cassandra is officially detained and brought back to the police station.
Starting point is 01:14:32 What exactly was said during Cassandra's arrest remains unknown, But the pressure appears to have completely broken her. In the hours that followed, she went on to further incriminate Kane, seemingly doing everything she could to distance herself from what happened, no matter the cost to him. A betrayal that would later come as a complete shock to Kane. All I knew was, is I had PTSD. The last time he saw cops because there was my blood all over the floor and my head through the wall and I was trying to protect him from that. If he was really as innocent as he said he was and there was going to be nothing to hide, right? Which is why I dropped him off at the jail.
Starting point is 01:15:19 I was pretty shocked that he showed up at the police department in Mississippi. Because I told him if he was as innocent as he told me that he was. If he really found them the way they were, then that's all he had to tell you guys. And you would figure him if he was as innocent as he told me that he was. hear out the rest. In the following days, Kane is brought into an interrogation room, this time in an orange jumpsuit for what would be his final interview. Agent Graham is assigned to conduct the interview, the same investigator who previously spoke with Cassandra and secured her confession.
Starting point is 01:15:55 By this stage, Graham knows the case inside and out, and he approaches the interview with a deliberate strategy, intent on extracting as much information as possible. And in this case, that's exactly what's needed. Because now, more than ever, detectives need a confession. Right as the interrogation begins, Kane makes a desperate attempt to ensure Cassandra is keeping her story together. He seems to be completely unaware that Cassandra isn't protecting him anymore. Do you happen to have a pen handy?
Starting point is 01:16:25 I do. Do you have her number? Because I have it in my wallet at the jail, but they won't let me access it. I need to make sure that she's okay because she mentioned wanting to go back down to New Mexico. And after doing it once, that's already a hard enough trip. Well, I talked to her Sunday when she got back into Rosemary. I don't even know what today is, man. At this point, Keynes still believed Cassandra was in Mississippi and hadn't spoken to officers since their first contact.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Unfortunately, not only did Cassandra confess since then, but she did it in front of the very detective sitting just feet away. So I talked to her on Sunday. I traveled to Roswell when she got in. I talked to her for probably, I don't know, more than two, less than four hours, okay? And then on Monday, I traveled to Roswell again and I talked to her again. Okay. For about, I don't know, two hours, okay? But I learned a lot from her, okay?
Starting point is 01:17:29 And I'm hoping that I'm going to learn more from you. I don't want to call anybody a liar, but I think there's some inconsistencies with your statements. Because I want you to know that there's going to be a lot of questions that I ask you that I already know the answer to, but this is going to be a test for you to see if you're being truthful with me, okay? Because I know it's the truth, because I've been working this case since Wednesday the 22nd. Okay? After Agent Graham makes it obvious, Kane is on his own now. The interview demeanor changes fast.
Starting point is 01:17:59 He wastes no time bringing up Cassandra's confession and placing it down. directly against Kane, making it clear that detectives are no longer relying on his version of events alone. Um, did you hurt anybody inside that house, including Victor, Killian, and Mary? No, sir. So how does Victor, Killian, and Mary just mysteriously go missing? I've been trying to find out the same. You do understand though that we found all three of them, correct?
Starting point is 01:18:33 I believe Special Agent Silva did tell you that He alluded to something that I was really hoping is not truthful So I'm just gonna I'm not really one to beat around the bush Okay, I just call it like it is
Starting point is 01:18:59 Okay But Cassie's told me everything that's happened Okay, she told me the involvement She told me what you guys did that you walked into the house you found all three of them dead you guys picked up their bodies you put them in the blue Subaru
Starting point is 01:19:15 you drove it up the hill you guys both tipped it over she's told me at all okay you guys used the little green dolly to pick them up and put them on the dolly wheel them out to the car you tied a rope around Killian's waist hooked the rope up to your dad's hitch
Starting point is 01:19:31 and drove the car to pull him into the backseat so the gig's up came Okay, I told you I don't be it around the bush. We've done it. I've worked over a hundred hours in one week, okay? This is serious. So now this is your opportunity and your chance to tell me your side of the story. Cassie's told me hers.
Starting point is 01:19:51 Okay. Okay. Okay. As Kane sits in silence, the realization sets in. He's on his own now, and whatever story he had planned coming into this interrogation has now been flipped entirely on its head. But Agent Graham presents the story strategically. By laying it out, exactly as Cassandra described it,
Starting point is 01:20:13 he gives Kane an opening to admit only to helping conceal the murders while shifting responsibility for the actual killings onto someone else. If he can get this confession first, it'll be significantly easier to get Kane to confess to the killings later on. Do you want to start back at the beginning? And I know the date that all this happened also. I can... I can tell you what happened.
Starting point is 01:20:41 I can't tell you why. I have... I don't know. I was trying to find out a f-up your crime scene, and I'm sorry for that. Is everything that I just said, what Cassie told me, is that accurate? To a degree. And what isn't? When we went to the house that day...
Starting point is 01:21:07 And it's just you and Cassie? Yeah. And... Not the kids. No. There is a... a witness too. And who is that? The mailman. He can attest to this. Like the postal man that drives and delivers the mail in the mailboxes? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We had gotten there just before him.
Starting point is 01:21:32 He went up. I told her to hang tight for a minute because that meant that everybody would be awake. And that was kind of looking hopeful. Killian was up and moving about. And I knocked on the door. I told him, hey, you just missed the postman. And he was real fidgety. He was scratching his head a lot. He was irritated. And I told him, hey, I got some good news. Everything's moving along with the mortgage company.
Starting point is 01:22:02 We're looking to move in, and we ought to be all set by like the end of the month. Everything should be good. They got my process or my status is pending. He closed the door, and I watched him take the mail off to the bedroom. and then he went back and I do not I heard like must have been gunshots I didn't even
Starting point is 01:22:35 think to do the front door I just ran around to the side came through my door and it wasn't closed all the way through the bedroom my uncle Vic was laying in his doorway with a gun in one hand his other was like shaking
Starting point is 01:23:09 just kind of like floating there and Killian was across from him I don't know why. I don't know who shot. I don't know. So where... I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:23:39 I'm sorry, Kane, but... I don't mean to be an ass, okay? But I know when you were going down this road that that's where you were headed, okay? That one of them did all this. The evidence... They both had guns. Kane and Victor both had guns.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Killian. I mean, Killian, sorry. They both had... Fucking guns. And they told me there weren't any left in the house. Where are they? You and Cassie were the only ones in there. So what did you guys do with the guns?
Starting point is 01:24:09 Do you see that where... I've been doing this for a long time, okay? I'm not dumb. This isn't my first homicide. Okay? Kane falls directly into Agent Graham's trap, confessing to concealing the bodies and giving a terribly thought-out lie
Starting point is 01:24:26 about who committed the murders. But Graham doesn't stop there and begins pressing first. letting Kane know that nothing he can say at this point will dig him out of his grave. I'm not, I'm not gonna lie to you though, Kane. Like, this was a pretty, this was a pretty tough one for us. This took a lot of time. This is the most that we've ever spent on a case, by the way.
Starting point is 01:24:47 This is the farthest we've been to investigate one too. And I mean, the whole wrapping the rope around Killian's waist and pulling him in with the other car, I mean, that was pretty creative. And I'm being serious, I'm not being a smart ass. I don't know how I would have got him in the car either I don't know how I would have got him on the wagon That's 200 pounds dead weight 280 pounds dead weight That's a lot
Starting point is 01:25:12 I mean you're not much bigger than me I mean think about how crazy that sounds though Like you were creamating them And you went up there on the 22nd and you burned them right After you and her put chain link over the top of the car With the little camouflage tarp thing And all the sticks and brush covering it.
Starting point is 01:25:38 I did try to offer them a creumation. I mean, that was nice of you. But I didn't hurt them. Because the rest of the family didn't get to say their goodbyes. There aren't enough of us left. And I mean, I got to give it to you too. Using the cummolongs and the steel pipe to prop it over to get it dumped over, like this is one of the, one of the most creative homicides that I've seen.
Starting point is 01:26:13 I didn't hurt anybody, sir. I would never hurt my family. Well, but Kane, that's what they all say. I just don't, I don't buy that you didn't do it. I'm sorry. I can't. I think Cassie's full of shit on a lot of things, but I don't think she's full of that. And I'm not so sure that she wasn't involved in it, to be honest with you. She wasn't even there, sir. Okay, well, I'm telling you right now, Cassie's in jail. That's why you can't get old of her.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Then I need an attorney. Okay. My next question is, are you going to sign a waiver of extra addition to go back to Mexico, or do you want us to have to get a governor's warrant? And you set up here in our jail for months? Do you mean New Mexico? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:27:16 What do you think, Detective? I can't tell you, but I can serve you with this target notice, okay? These are the charges that are being filed against you. This is what we're going for grand jury, okay? I can't accept that. Well, it's not an option. That's what, these are the charges. That's what's coming against me.
Starting point is 01:27:32 Yes, sir. These are your charges. Clearly, Kane doesn't seem to understand the law, and he'll be fighting the charges regardless of whether he accepts them or not. On paper, Kane is charged with an array of crimes, including arson, aggravated burglary, and three counts of first-degree murder. Additionally, Cassandra would be officially charged following the interrogation, also getting three counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and tampering with evidence. In the weeks that follow, detectives and prosecutors begin assembling the full picture. The blood patterns inside the house, the cleanup supplies, the burned Subaru, the shell casings, the clothing, the phone records, and Cassandra's own statements describing the disposal of the bodies.
Starting point is 01:28:19 And after countless sleepless nights, investigators believe they have finally pieced together what happened. Victor, Mary and Killian were killed near the South bedroom and kitchen before being moved through the house. Their bodies were then loaded into Victor's blue Subaru, which Kane allegedly drove into the canyon, pushed over a ditch, and set on fire. Kane's shifting stories and control of the green Subaru point investigators towards him as the primary actor, while Cassandra's admissions place her squarely in the cleanup and cover-up. Detective C. Kane returning from Canada as the start of a growing grievance over what he believes is rightfully his. 22 acres of family land. They allege that a dispute over the property motivated Kane and that he drew Cassandra into a plan to cover up the deaths and claim control of the land.
Starting point is 01:29:10 For now, both remain presumed innocent unless and until they are proven guilty in court. If convicted, they could each face multiple life sentences under New Mexico law with decades behind bars before any possibility of parole. As for Mike, Lordis, and the other relatives, they can rest safely for now, praying that those responsible, never see the light of day again.

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