Dr. Insanity - When Teens Think Their Mսrder Is Hilarious

Episode Date: December 21, 2024

Hours after Andrew Jenicek was shot and run over, four suspects were caught on CCTV laughing and buying snacks, seemingly unfazed. Their car placed them at the scene, but in the interrogation room, they denied everything, leading detectives a web of lies, robberies and shootings... Was it a robbery gone wrong, or something more sinister? The investigation would uncover more than anyone expected... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is 20-year-old Devon Howard. Devon is sitting in a cold interrogation room alongside his three co-accomplices due to their suspected involvement in the brutal shooting and murder of 27-year-old Andrew Genocheck. Coincidentally, all four claim that they had no involvement in the crime whatsoever, and in fact don't seem to take the situation seriously at all. Where did you pick her up at? Relax, it's okay. No, I'm fine, I'm just tired.

I was involved in the murder of somebody. Oh, the time is right here. What the group doesn't realize at this time is that Andrew's murder was fully recorded on multiple security cameras and shows a man getting out of 19-year-old Alicia Valdez's car before killing Andrew. Even more disturbing is that the same vehicle would drive over Andrew's lifeless body before fleeing the scene. Alexis Ellis, a bystander at the scene, would hear the gunshot go off and rush over to Andrew to perform CPR while her friend Alyssa called 911. Jeffcombe 911. What is the address to the emergency?

Um, I don't know. I'm just at the corner. It's like Sheridan and 20th. Um, some guy just got shot. And they took off in a silver two-door Pontiac. And he's on the ground. He's like face down. Did you see the person that shot him? Did you see the person with a gun? Alexa, answer to my question. Did you see the person with the gun? She said it looked like a little Mexican dude. Okay. And it was just the one male in that vehicle or did she see anyone else? Um, he got into a passenger seat. Um, the passenger seat of the car. Okay. He's hit in the chat. He got birds in the chat. He got birds in the chat. I'm flipping him over because he's not, hang on, he's not breathing. Unfortunately, Andrew would pass away within minutes. Even more unsettling is that the same car model would be seen at a local gas station later that night, where everyone inside would happily buy snacks, joke, and laugh as if nothing had happened just hours prior. The footage inside the gas station would identify the occupants of the vehicle as, 19-year-old Alicia Valdez, 20-year-old Caleb Vigil, and 20-year-old Devon Howard Lopez. While painting these three out-to-be killers, just based on their car make, is clearly premature.

It's enough evidence for police to file a warrant for the arrest of the three suspects so they can bring them in for questioning to try and determine if the bunch had any involvement in Andrew's death. What makes this case so interesting is the amount of blatant lies and misinformation that would come out during these interrogations. You would think that at least one of the suspects would feel guilty and confess, but everyone involved would fabricate their story and lie to lessen their perceived role in the crime. But at this point, the police have yet to apprehend any suspects. Their only lead is a lifeless body sprawled on the pavement and two shaken witnesses who made the 911 call.

Police start by questioning Alexis, the witness who called the cops. Remember, this is an interview and not an interrogation, as currently, Alexis is considered a witness rather than a suspect. But there is something suspicious about her that the detectives want to clarify. Three years earlier, Alexis was charged as an accessory to murder after her boyfriend shot and killed one of his friends from the vehicle she was driving. The detective leading the interview, Nathan Girdis, would discover this information during a brief preparation period prior to the interview

and is curious as to if maybe she had more to do with Andrew's murder than she was letting on. We pulled up, we parked in the back parking lot, my friend got out to go into the dispensary, sitting on my phone, playing on Facebook, heard the shot, thought it was a firework for a second, so I looked up and saw the victim face down on the floor and the shooter, there was a silver Pontiac

in front of the victim. And the shooter was in front of the car, still kind of standing by the victim's body with the gun pointed at him. And then got back into the Pontiac on the passenger side. They hesitated for a minute on which way they're going to pull off. It looked like they were trying not to hit him. They kind of looked around the parking lot to see if anyone saw it. I was kind of trying to duck as much as possible. I got out of the car.

Once I saw that they were gone, ran up to him. I said, are you hit? He said, yes, please help me. called 9-1-1. Little mother was an ambulance on the way sounded like he was kind of crying. He wasn't saying anything else. After two minutes, the crying

stopped, so if I went to check for a pulse, there was no pulse. Dignity. Dignity. You're right? Yeah. Take note of Alexis' posture when discussing the shooting. She's leaned in towards the officer and seems comfortable, showing little signs of resistance. This language

presents truthfulness on her behalf. So it's unlikely she feels any guilt, which likely means that her recollection of events is indeed accurate to what she believed happened. So you hear nothing. The first thing you that catches your attention as a show, okay? Are you familiar with guns? That's what I'm in probation for.

How so? I was dating a guy for three weeks. He asked for a ride and Sean killed somebody at the King Super is on Sheridan, Hampton, 2015. So you heard to get into life? Yeah. He was five feet in front of me on that one, too. Got some tremendous luck. Yeah.

Did you get charged? Yeah. Accessory to the crime, I have for it. How does this make you feel? I don't know. I mean, it was hard. I was glad I was able to react like that because I didn't react like that within my case. At the same time, I'm not my PO and everybody's pregnant.

She's my husband, but he didn't die alone. He knew somebody who was there trying to help them. Just be in all right? around it, being around a situation. Your fault? No. But there is. You know what's going to go down?

No. This interview clearly showcased the responses suspects make when dealing with discomfort. We could physically see her subtle movement patterns and how they coincided with certain emotions Alexis was feeling. Her body language makes sense. She felt uncomfortable while discussing her own criminal history, which is completely reasonable. However, when discussing a crime she had no part in, her demeanor changed significantly.

with an open posture and willingness to answer every question. And with this, we should be now more prepared to analyze the interrogation of a less innocent suspect later on in this video. Following this interview, police would continue their hunt to find the whereabouts of the three inside the suspected vehicle, and it wouldn't take them long at all. Just a few hours later, at 4 a.m., an officer spotted a vehicle closely resembling the one described by a Lexus, driving recklessly and pulled it over. It quickly became clear that this was no ordinary traffic stop. Hi, ma'am. Hi. Hey Officer Lloyd Diverp. Police, you can't turn left there. Oh, I can't.

No, it says there's a big sign up there that says, do not turn left. That's just, you don't have a fret plate either. Is it up in the window? Yeah, because my thing is broken, so I gotta get a new one's actually holding it. The bracket? Yeah. Gotcha. Okay, do you have your license registration insurance, ma'am? There's those. Okay. There you go. Gras.

So Alicia, about this. Alicia, got to have you step out for a second. Don't grab anything with you, okay? Just step on out for me. Yeah. Put your hands behind your back. You got a warrant, okay? Why?

Why do you have a warrant? You probably know that better than I do, but we're going to do some research and tell exactly what it is. Yeah, they put out a felony warrant out for you. A felony warrant? Yeah. Do you have anything on you I need to know about? I don't. Okay.

All right, if you want to watch them, I'll pat him down real quick. I'm just gonna sit you down on the curb, okay? You just put your wallet on the top, man. I'll give it back to you a second here, okay? Go ahead, just put them right behind. You're not in trouble, you're not going to jail, you're not getting arrested right now. All right, just get patched down real quick, man,

you can put your phone in your pocket. Same thing as your partner, you're not going to jail, you're not getting handcuffed, I'm just doing this for, while you're gonna be sitting behind us, okay? Okay, anything in your hood or in your pockets, do you know about? No. Perfect, okay, you can go have a seat with them, okay?

Is this your gold phone? Okay. At this very moment, the officer would discover a pistol inside the vehicle. Caleb had just stated there were no guns inside the vehicle just minutes earlier. So the officer quickly places Caleb under arrest so they can safely investigate this increasingly tense situation. Stand up, man. Stand up. You're not going to tell me there's a gun in the seat next to you?

What? You weren't going to tell me that you're going to try to leave a gun on the seat when you left? That'd be nice to know, wouldn't it? Oh, in a pocket full of bullets. How about this? I'm about to get to the car. Officer, I have a gun on me. Right?

What's that? One more person? Yeah. They're all hooked. Okay. Did you let him know that this is in the... Did you let him know that this is in the car? What is it?

Uh, S-C-C-Y-9-Mill. All four would be arrested following the discovery of Caleb's pistol. However, throughout the entire process, Alicia, the owner of the car, would stay eerily optimistic, as if she hadn't yet connected the dots that her arrest was related to Andrew's murder. Just stay right there for a second. Yes. Let's have a seat over here in this black chair. If you could possibly find the restaurant, I'd really appreciate it to.

Now that the suspects have finally been secured, detectives would begin the process of individually interrogating all four suspects, with separate preparation and planning made for each interrogation in attempts to get as many differing stories and general information as possible. They would begin with Alicia Valdez, who was allegedly the driver of the vehicle. They sit her in an open room with a large TV to her left and a digital clock behind.

This is drastically different from the cold, empty room seen earlier in this video. This is done purposefully. This room is meant to feel welcoming and open. The table creates a subconscious, comforting barrier between the suspect and the detectives, something that's absent in many more aggressive interrogations. The objective is to get Alicia to feel comfortable and willing to speak to the detectives.

Remember, at this point, Alicia knows very little about what evidence the cops have. She has no idea that everything was recorded on CCTV, and they know that her car was there. The plan is to set a trap that prevents Alicia from denying that she was at the scene, so the more willing she has to talk at the beginning, the better. That's why they start the questioning off lightly, but it'll ramp up in no time at all. You want some water? Oh, thank you. He's over here if you want it.

Okay, thank you. You're all right? Shelly. Yeah. It was nice earlier. Yeah. The detectives offer her water to immediately try to appear friendly and form a bond. People are much more likely to tell a friend something than they are a stranger, so this is an extremely important step.

You'll notice this friendly demeanor slowly fades and changes as the interrogation continues. And where do you live out? Um, right now... Right now, kind of a bit of everywhere. Okay. In my car. In your car? Okay.

Keep this fact in mind for later on in the interrogation, as the detectives will use it to prove she was at the scene later on. We're in the car with you today. It's your car, right? How long have you owned that car? Um, I've had that car for, I believe, about six months. So six months, about? Mm-hmm.

Where did you get it? I bought it. from a public auction down in Colorado Springs. Okay. Okay, so you have keys to the car. Have you given your keys to anybody else? No, the only ones that were there, the ones that were in the car. Okay, so when you bought the car, there was one set of keys?

And then I had another maid, but they're together. They're on the same. Okay. This is a simple question, and it should have a definitive answer. Based on what she's just said, the facts that the only two keys are in her possession, there's no reason for her to be unsure who has access to the car. She's deflecting. So you say you've been kind of homeless here recently?

Mm-hmm. Living out of that type? Yeah. Yeah. Where else have you been to stand? Sometimes with, with gentleman in the yellow, I mean, not yellow, green out there. Caleb? Mm-hmm.

Okay, I'm all talking about. He also was in the car with your time. Um, my boyfriend and, uh, another young woman, I don't know. Who's your boyfriend? Um, Duvance. Where'd you meet him? Uh, mutual friends.

Me cut. If you haven't noticed already, Alicia is extremely nervous. We're 10 minutes into this interview, and her leg hasn't stopped bouncing up and down the entire time. She's also been moving around in her chair and avoiding eye contact while answering very simple questions. Even without the evidence that they'd already collected beforehand, the detectives would likely already be convinced that she played a part in what happened. Now it's just about exploiting these weaknesses and extracting a confession using everything they know. And the process starts by establishing a timeline. Who are the other two people in the car? Um, Caleb, uh, I met him

through mutual friends too. I haven't really known him that long. What about the girl? Do you know her name? I have no idea of her. Who she is. When did you meet her? Just tonight. Where did you pick her up at? I don't know, because I don't know, didn't they're like that. Where were you at before you left to go pick this girl up? Caleb's. Was Devon there with you? So you were a few hours at Caleb's house,

and then Caleb asked you to go pick this girl up. Is that right? Okay. And you picked her up, and you were headed back to Caleb's house when the police stopped you. Have I got all there right? We were headed back, but I stopped at the 7-Eleven. down the street.

Okay. Which 7-11? Get some drinks. One off a Colpax and Ogden, I think. Okay. The detectives now have a story that Alicia is locked into, meaning that if anything she says contradicts this, they'll know she's lying,

and they can use it to trap her to put on more pressure. Alicia, however, is playing a game of her own and trying her best to dodge questions and hide certain details from the cops, but she's fighting a losing battle. And the cops know it. How long are you going to stay in a cave? house um not really a lot um i'm just trying to get a sense of like every other night every

night you know five nights a week what just give me an idea maybe like one to two nights a week one to two nights a week what were you doing today before you went to the keelps house um mainly just hanging out with my boyfriend he's trying to keep me distracted off today Oh, because of them, yeah. We all have stuff like that. I know. Yeah. Okay, so where were you hanging out in?

Really, just everywhere driving. Driving? But that was about it. Okay. Relax, it's okay. No, I'm fine, I'm just fired. Okay. But Alicia is all too aware that the final thing they did last night

is exactly what police want to know about, and she absolutely cannot bring it up. Do you stay anywhere else since you come to Denver other than Caleb's or your car? I stayed at those one girl's house. I don't remember her name. Like I said, I met her through mutual friends. But those friends that I did meet her through

I'm no longer really in contact. How long ago was that you stayed at her house? A week ago? A week or something. Did Devin stay with you at her house too? Yeah, he's with me all the time. This is an extremely. extremely important statement.

If they can confirm that either Devon or Alicia was at the scene of the crime, they'll be able to lock both of them into it. The detective immediately realizes the importance of this and forces her to double down on her statement. Now, has Devin been with you the entire time since you've been here in Denver and since you, and he stayed with you at her house, and he's been staying with you in your car or at Caleb's this whole time up until tonight. So has Devin been in the car with you every time you've been out in the car?

Now on top of the information from before, the detectives know that wherever her car was, both her and Devon had to have been there too. This is where the second stage of the interrogation begins. They're aware she's guilty, have an extremely detailed timeline of events, and know she's feeling extremely uncomfortable. Now, the plan is simple. They want her to give up as much information about the actual murder and the other suspects as possible,

so they can easily implicate everyone else that's waiting for their interrogation. So the detectives take a short break. When they sit back down, they plan to switch gears completely. They're going to heavily apply the pressure and attempt to extract a full confession. Thank you, boys. It's pretty apparent to me you're being truthful about things.

That's also apparent that there's some stuff you don't want to talk about. But we've been sitting here talking for a while. I genuinely like you. I think you're a good kid. Well, to me, you're a kid. Well, I mean, I am a kid. Yeah, you're younger than my daughter. You're up here from the Springs.

You've had some stuff in your life, but now you're up here in Denver hanging with these guys. that you've got you know some histories some rough history not your kind of history right you're kind of out of your element up here all right i don't know that you've got yourself into trouble other than the people you're hanging with but these other people have gotten you into a lot of trouble who Caleb for one you got me in a lot of trouble you just told me we spent here, spent a long time, you were very clear that no one else has been driving your car for the last week, that you and Devon or you and Devon and Caleb have been in your car. There's a few random people you don't know, but even when those random people are in the car,

you and Devon are in the car. And that's you staying with that? Pretty much. Okay. It's a common tactic to give a suspect an excuse for what they've done. In this case, the detective says he genuinely believes she's a good kid and has just been swept along in what's happened. It's likely he'll also tell her at some point soon that if she helps them out, they might be able to give her a much lighter sentence. It's also important to note that he's still trying to keep a friendly demeanor to her. And the reason for this hasn't changed.

If he starts to get angry at her now, she might become closed off and refuse to tell them anything. If anything, he's even trying to seem fatherly, choosing to mention his daughter and calling her a kid, something that could even be a response to her saying her father passed away when she was younger. However, all of this is leading up to something. They're finally going to reveal why she's really there and exactly what they know. So, remember the day that was raining, it was snowy, real bad weather, that was Friday? That night, the night before all that snow and rain,

do you remember where you were that night? I don't say I could not tell you Okay You remember being in a dark parking lot That night Okay, look at me Your car That at the scene of a murder

Someone got out of your car Shot someone and killed them Got back into your car And drove away You just told me that you were driving Your car all week You need to tell me the truth Uh, I

Honestly, I don't recall You don't recall? I don't We have it on video I know that the person Who shot this guy Is a guy I know it wasn't you

I know it was your car You tell me you're the only one driving your car So you were driving the car I mean Yeah, but I don't I don't recall being In wherever you're saying I was

Picture yourself in this situation If you'd just been told that police believe you were at the scene of the crime, would your first response be, I don't recall? Anybody innocent would be shocked to hear this information and do everything they could declare their name and distance themselves from the crime. Alicia was there,

and now the detectives are more certain of this than ever, and they're starting to get frustrated. Honestly, you need to be honest with you here. I am? No. You're not. I do know you were driving the car. Now driving the car could make you an accessory to murder.

If you're going to sit here and tell me you don't remember, no one in the world, no one. You put yourself in my position, okay? I know you were driving the car. I know your car was there because I got video of it. Put yourself in my position. Do you think anybody in the world is going to believe that you don't remember that? I don't know, I just, like I said, I drive everywhere. Yeah, you would have remembered this, though.

This is a chilling line from the detective, and you can clearly see it almost startles Alicia. The sight of that man being shot will be burned into her mind, and being so clearly reminded of it would be jolting, to say the least. In fact, the detectives didn't even realize exactly how traumatizing it might. have been until just moments later. Tonight Caleb had a gun on him. Did you know he had a gun on him? Um, no, because I don't just pat everybody down what comes in my car.

Well, you know he owns a gun, right? You're staying in his place. You drive with him every day. Not every day, but... Well, I mean, so he probably carries a gun with him for protection. In the parts of town. Well, really, I don't really like seeing guns and don't really like going on a gun. Okay.

But you... Because of what happened to my dad? Have you seen him with a gun before? Um, not really no, because I don't pay attention. What happened to your dad with a gun? Um, he was murdered. He was murdered? Yeah.

With a gun. So this was probably pretty traumatic for you seeing someone murdered with a gun. I did not see anybody. It happened right in front of your car. Like I said, I don't know call. Notice how quickly the detective hones in on her father's murder, and how similar that may have been. that may have been to this incident.

He's looking for any opening to make her feel uncomfortable and guilty. And as horrible as it may sound, this is about as good as you can get. So the detectives take one last break to think about their final move and come back with the last and possibly most damning piece of evidence of all. There's a lot of water. It is the cold habitual, and it is the frow of the mountains blue. The frowice at its summit. Cooslight, tant view a fraud,

celebrate in a fashion responsible. You have to have the age legal for consuming the alcohol. I'm also. Even on the other side of this, haven't you, Mr. Dad, you've been on the other side of this whole thing. What's that mean? I mean, you got a family member burger. So you've seen the other side of this.

Well, not really. Oh. Not really. They let the man let it go away. They did. How'd that feel? Mm-hmm. Did they catch him and not...

And they let him go? I mean, the way I see it, it's left the... Hot. Go ahead and live it. No, that's not all right. You don't believe that. When you got to stop tonight, there was a gun in your car. Did you see the gun that they took out of your car?

I didn't see it, no. You didn't see it, but they took a gun out of your car. Okay, that was the gun that was used to murder this man. And prove that, too. That's an easy one. The gun was in your car. You're sure it was? Oh, I'm sure it was.

Yes, I can prove that. That's easy. The bullet that we dug out of this man's chest at the autopsy came from that gun that just came out of your car. That's a fact too. Your car was in the parking lot where he was shot. You tell me, how did the gun that murdered a man get into your car? I don't know.

The detectives get very little other information out of her from this point onwards. But they've already gotten more than enough. They've heavily implicated her in the crime, and it sounds as though Devon had to have been there with her, too. It's at this point that we'll take a break from the suspect's interrogation, as unfortunately, convicting the criminals is only one half of these officers' jobs. And while all of this is going on, another team of detectives and officers are tasked with the brutal job

of breaking the news of Andrew's death to his family. Andrew's girlfriend, Jessica, was the only one away. So in the middle of the night, she'd get a knock on the door from a group of detectives. All right, Jessica. Well, I appreciate you answering my questions. So I have some news for you. It's not, I'm just going to come out and say it. Andrew's dead.

You're joking? I'm not joking. Andrew is dead. What happened? He was shot and he died in the parking lot. Oh, my God. And you guys are any informed his mom or anything? You're the first person that was able to get a hold of?

And I know that this is hard to hear. Oh, my God. This clip is devastating, as it seems like Jessica had absolutely no idea of any of the events that transpired earlier that night. As far as she was aware, Andrew was simply going out to get them barbecue dinner. However, as sad as this is, detectives have to consider the possibility of Andrew having some sort of connection to the group. For all they know, this could have been a drug deal gone wrong or some other illegal activity that caused the shooting. With this in mind, detectives would bring Jessica to the station where they could conduct a formal interview to determine if Andrew had any prior connection to the group that killed him. While preparing for the interview, a strange discovery would be made.

Police were given an anonymous tip that Jessica's own brother had been planning to kill Andrew. The two had supposedly a recurring issue with one another that had gotten progressively worse. This is awfully coincidental, and something detectives need to get to the bottom of. My brother just saw it on the news, they just put it up the news. Oh, did they? Yeah. And then I saw the picture. of him on there.

Okay. I bet that was pretty rough. So I received information. Going back a year, maybe two years, your brother had threatened Andrew. Yeah. Basically. He didn't threaten him directly.

It was indirectly to me, meaning I was driving him to work one morning and we were having a fight and that's when he really unnerved me. So I told Andrew. I told Andrew, and then Andrew wanted to take it to the police, and the police said your best option would be just to move away from the situation. So we did.

What was sad? I mean, it was obviously fairly egregious if... Basically, it was just probably something to the effect. I'll just take him out, too. What do you think he meant by that? I mean, well, the first thought to my head is to kill him, you know, taking someone out. While these comments from Jessica's brother are disturbing, Jessica doesn't seem too bothered by it now, but at the time, they took it seriously enough

to move houses just to get away from him. But the detective can't just take Jessica's word for this. Luckily, there are some simple ways that he might be able to prove if he was involved or not. What kind of card does your brother dry? The pathfinder. What color is that? Green. Like a dark, forest green. Does your brother have access to firearms or anything? He's not allowed to. Why not?

He has charges against him for past stupidity. And I don't know all those crimes because I didn't bother to try to talk to him about them. The description of his cars don't match up with the one on CCTV at all. And if he's not allowed access to any firearms, then it's very unlikely that he was their guy. However, before they wrap up the interview, Jessica asks a final, devastating. question can I just ask you one question sure can I ask you like kind of like where he was shot just because um his mom told me that um when he was shot the witness who saw it ran to him and stayed with him until he passed he was uh he

was shot in the chest okay yeah I deserve that No, nobody deserves that. From all accounts from what you've been saying, it seems like he was a very good guy. This question echoed in the detective's heads for the rest of this case. It really seemed like Andrew was a nice, peaceful man who was brutally killed that night. Detectives would go on to interview Jessica's brother as well and managed to fully clear his name as a suspect.

Caleb, Devon, and Alicia had no connection to Andrew. This was a cold-blooded murder. This case had just taken a far more sinister turn, and detectives had to find justice for not only Andrew, but for the rest of his family. After Alicia's interrogation, they would bring in Caleb, the man who they at this point believe actually pulled the trigger. But Caleb wasn't planning on making things easy. His interrogation lasts just four minutes, but opens up an entirely new side to this investigation, filled with dozens of shocking new pieces of evidence, all sparked by just one tiny thing that he said.

All right, Caleb, it's been a long night, huh? Okay, Caleb, I'm Detective John Meione. I'm a detective here with Denver, and I'm going to talk to you about your Traffic stop, your friends, and the gun that you had on you tonight. What's your home address, Caleb? 1548 and the following. If you want to talk to me about what happened, your answer is yes. If you don't want to talk to me, you should say no. Not without a little bit.

Okay. The interrogation ended here, but unbeknownst to Caleb, he gave away a crucial piece of evidence, his address, and it took police no time at all to obtain. a search warrant. The police open up the door. Police open the door. Yes, sir.

Show me hands, come out. Step up. Who else is in here? I don't live here. This is not my house. This is my house. If you're in here, make yourself now, do it now. Police department come out.

Come out with your hands up. That was one of Caleb's friends, and he's one of the three keys inside this apartment that would unlock the case for the detectives. The second was this giant stock of 9mm bullets that perfectly matched the bullet found lodged inside Andrew's body. And if that wasn't damning enough, there was one more piece of evidence inside that was the most shocking of all, but the police hadn't even realized it yet. Instead, they wanted to have a quick conversation with the man they found inside. It seems that Caleb was known to this guy as Modello and Devon as Salencio. Often friends of suspects like this tend to keep their mouths shut

out of trust, but this time, well, see for yourself. Madelo got out of the car, I guess, took over and mug this dude with a gun. Do drop the wallet on the ground. Delo unloaded the gun into somebody, I guess. Um, whoever was in the car, I guess, Soliccio just told me that they saw him get back up or whatever and they ran them over as they drove off. That's all I knew. This was everything detectives could have asked for, but what came next was their most haunting discovery of all. Inside Caleb's house was a receipt from 7-Eleven dated just minutes after the murder, proving that Caleb, Devon, and Alicia were indeed the ones laughing at the gas station after the murder.

All of these events transpired over 24 hours. hours. But police had left out one crucial suspect, Devon, aka Silencio, and it was for good reason. Police knew Devon was desperate to keep his girlfriend Alicia from getting charged. So if they could use that against him, they might be able to get him to admit to the murders. The mounting pressure on Devon became so intense that he started confessing to other crimes and robberies he had committed in the past. I'll tell you, straight out, me and Caleb together have done crimes before. Okay. What you're about to witness is a 21-year-old talking himself into over 300 years in prison.

Yeah. Devin? Do you go by Devon? Yeah. I'm probably going to screw that up. So if I do, I apologize for it. I don't worry about it. So, Devon, like I said, my name is Mark Spursion.

I'm an investigator with the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office. You know Nate, right? You know we're both cops? Yep. Okay. Um, from my, it's been my understanding that, uh, when they made contact with you this afternoon that you were willing to talk to, talk to us again, is that true? To an extent, yeah. Okay.

To an extent. Okay. I just like to start and make sure you understand your rights because one of the things I don't want to do in this room is violate your rights. You had these rights and I think they're important to you. So, you know where you're at? Yeah. Well, kind of. All right. I know these sounds too, but I want to make sure that you understand what we're doing.

Where are you at? Some police station. Okay. All right. What's dating in? Call out. Who's the president? Trump.

The detectives are being perhaps even more careful at the beginning of this interrogation than they were in Alicia's. They want to confirm that Devon is of sound mind right now, leaving the defense absolutely no opportunity to invalidate this piece of evidence in court. They can't leave any room for error. Because they know he's likely only here for one reason to confess. I'm into this investigation somewhat late. So I kind of want to start out and ask you why are we sitting in this room? Why are we here? Fill me in.

I was involved in the murder of somebody. Okay. That's why. That's why? So tell me about it. Because it's the reason that you want to talk about it, right? I just want to get my girl out of trouble. We just had nothing to do with it.

All right. Like I said, I come in late today. Who's your girl? I'll leave you about it. Okay. The detective's plan worked perfectly. He's here to tell the cops everything in hopes that he can maybe get his girlfriend out of trouble. But you can still clearly see how uncomfortable with this he is, as

As soon as he's asked why he's here, he goes from sitting perfectly still to dancing around in his chair, searching his pockets, and leaning back away from the detectives. It doesn't matter if he thinks this is the right thing to do. He still knows he's being checkmated, and he's about to sentence himself to a lifetime in jail. Want to get her out of trouble? Yeah, all right. He had nothing to do with me. She's not a criminal. She didn't even been to jail before until now. Okay.

Was she there? Yeah. She didn't know anything wasn't happen, though. She'd have any hand in there at all. Okay. I was driving and, you know, you can see up, right? I'm sure you're... Like I said, I'm coming into this new.

I learned about this literally this morning. They asked me to come in and kind of assist, so that's what I'm doing. Do me a favor. Walk me through. Because if you want to get her out of the situation, she's in, she's in. I understand I respect that. But I need to know what happened. So walk me through it.

We were driving around, honestly, for a night, having fun. Drive around having fun? Yeah. We like to drive. It's fine. We listen to music. Then we got to pull into his parking lot. And then from there, I don't really feel like I need to be gone.

Why not? Because you guys already have pretty much everything figured out. You got to know who, you guys know, she did not pull this area. Okay. That's what matters. I'm trying to, I'm just here to get her out of trouble. I'm not here to get in you all that's in trouble, except for myself, obviously. Right.

All I can tell you is no one knew that the shooting was going to happen. It was not planned. So it wasn't planned? Yeah, I know it wasn't planned. I'm going to a parking lot of shooting with some random white guy. Where you're planning on robbing them? Like I said, I wasn't planned on doing it. Was Caleb planning on robbing?

Like I said, I'm not going to speak on that. This is one of the detectives' leading theories about what happened. They don't necessarily believe that they planned on murdering Andrew. They think that this was more likely a robbery gone wrong. They intended to just steal Andrew's money, but ended up freaking out, shooting him, and running him over to ensure he couldn't turn them into the cops. What makes you guys go at this kid? Who?

The victim? The kid that died. He's not a kid. He's 27. Right. He is to me. True. Well, like I said, I didn't know the mother. I didn't know. I don't know if I was a plan on anything happening to him.

I didn't know what's going to happen to this guy. When something went off, I drove off. Okay. What happens? We need to know what happens. Well, everyone knows you got shot. Yeah, I know that. But I'm trying to figure out who shot him, and I need somebody to tell me that.

Well, that's not, I'm not going to tell you anything because I'm sure you guys already know. Yeah. If you guys can't figure that out, then there's a good. Well, let me ask you this. What I'm trying to. You know. She can pull figure. I told you I was driving.

Right. I mean, the fucking can put the rest together. It's not up to me. But I guess I'm trying to understand is why. I'm trying to understand a motive. I don't know. I told you.

None of them to do that happen. I'm sitting in the damn car. So I obviously don't know anything can happen. You drive them there. You put them in that lot. Unfortunately, that's how it looks. That is how happened. Yeah.

I'm telling you nothing was planned. Let me ask you this. Were you just thinking of it was Caleb or do you even know? was Caleb trying just to rip off, get some money. And that's bad? We're not perfect. That didn't shton for her. At this point, it's obvious that Devon's lawyer will have told him clearly not to discuss

anything that doesn't relate directly to Alicia. He's only going to talk about anything that might help get her out of trouble. It's also at this point that the detective realizes that. He knows that he's not going to get anything out of Devon beyond that, so that's when he decides to do something extremely clever. He's going to abuse the facts. that Devon only wants to get Alicia out of trouble and phrase his next question

in a way that forces him to give up some vital information. I'm not going to speak on what, like, anything else besides me, let me ask you this, did you guys talk about it? What do you mean? Did you guys talk about it? Did you and Caleb say, hey, this is what we're thinking about? Because I'm trying to figure out, did Alicia, she's the one planning this?

Alicia had nothing to do with any of it. So how we understand that? I'll tell you straight up, me and Caleb together have done crimes before. Okay. I'm worried about this one. This one right here. This is supposed to go like that. How was it supposed to go?

Like I said, I don't seem to need to get in all that. It's not going to benefit me or her. I don't see him. Well, right now we're still trying to figure out her role. And if we can explain her role, and the only, There's only two people that can explain her role. You and Caleb, Caleb ain't talked to us. Without us understanding the specifics of how this went down, and if her involvement or what

her involvement was in that, with some explanation to A extent that we can go back to a DA and say, hey, this is what's going on, this person was honest. She didn't know what was going to go down. But I've got to know that, but I've got to understand how we've got to plan that. You understand, I have to have some type of specifics to try to sell that. If you want to try to help or help her. Put simply, if Devon wants to get Alicia out of trouble and prove she didn't plan the murder, he'll have to tell them exactly who did, solving the case for them on the spot.

He's been checkmated, because no matter what story he tells them from this point out, they've got the evidence to prove or disprove it. Their entire plan was just to get him to talk, and that's exactly what they've done. Now, it's finally time they heard the truth. bottom. Did you see the confrontation going down between Caleb and this guy? Look like the white dude was attacking the person, honestly, but that's all the end of it right before the dude got shot. Do you remember when you say the white dude was attacking the other guy, right? Could you describe it to me?

Look like they're squared up and the white dude rush another guy. Let me ask you, if I stood up, would you show me? If I stood up and I'm the white dude, would you show me? Or you be, let me be the shooter and be the white dude. Would you do that? So I understand it. Give me the video. So here the other dude, the white dude.

So I'm the other guy, right? The white dude's on a bend like this and it looks like you squared up. So I running toward him. Okay. What's this guy doing? Run backwards and that's when I heard a gunshot. All right. Do you remember stand up again for me?

So how close are they? Come to me. Where? Probably about this. Maybe a little further. Okay. And then that's when I heard a gunshot go off from the white dude's rushing him. so so the right two is closing that gap yeah so come in and they ever get

right on top of each other no so there's always a distance yeah it's always about both their arms so all right both their arms okay did the white dude have anything in his hand I couldn't see I saw the last interview I wasn't really looking for details I was kind of confusing what's going on okay all right this guy not the white dude the other guy Hands together, hands apart. He's kind of like, well, you stand like this. Trying to tell the dude back up. Okay.

And that's when the white dude kept rushing. I'm assuming maybe you try to reach for the gun, I don't know. Okay. Well, that's when the shot goes off. Was a gun in the right hand? I can't remember. Okay. But he had one hand up and the other hand back.

Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Getting a suspect to act out an incident is a great way of proving they actually knew what happened. They may be able to match the movements to the CCTV footage or a witness accounts, and a defense team will have a hard time arguing that anything here could be misinterpreted. From what Devon is saying, it seems as though there was a struggle between

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are they across To each other? They're like this. The position kind of like this. Did you draw for me? The white dudes, I can't draw. But the white dude standing.

They're both standing. White dude's closer to me. It's kind of like this. All right. So you're the driver, right? White dude's closer to the front of the car? Yeah, kind of. All right.

So if you're looking, are you looking at his back? You're looking at his side? He's looking at his front. Kind of like that. Yeah. Like this? Where's the other guy? Right.

I thought where he is. I'm killed. Where's the other guy? They're like that, literally. And then, but it's a little more this way, and I'm a little more back. So this way? Yeah. What are you seeing at this guy, his front?

I'm not paying attention to him. I'm not paying attention to this guy. Okay. And you think you see him kind of rushed? No, he did rush. Okay. So he rushes. But not to the point where they're on top of each other.

No, they didn't get it. They didn't get it. The other person was back pedaling. Okay. So this person's moving back. Arm up? They've been backpedaling the whole time. That's when the shot goes off.

Okay. Tell me where Caleb's arms are at. Oh, yeah. Like I'm not even saying he was here. Again, it sounds as though as soon as Andrew realized he was being robbed, he started to go on the offensive, forcing Caleb backwards. According to Devon, he then tried rushing Caleb, which scared Caleb into shooting him.

They're slowly closing in on the truth here, but not quite there yet, which is why they're still trying to play some tricks on Devon to try and get everything out of him. Devon hasn't admitted that the shooter was Caleb, but notice how the detectives are consistently naming him as the shooter throughout the story. They're trying to get Devon to go along with it and agree or accidentally admit it himself. But he's not slipping up. However, the detectives are relentless and don't stop trying for another hour of tireless interrogation. It's then that Devon finally makes a mistake. What else you guys talk about?

I can't remember all that. Like you said, it's not shit. work on memorizing. No, that'd be you care about. I'd be an emotional conversation. Not really. I mean, I mean, like, don't get me wrong. I mean, I don't know the dude.

So, I mean, it's fucked up. They just died. Because I don't know him. I don't know who he is, what he's the kind of person he is or any of that. But it didn't really strike me emotionally because I don't have that many emotions for this. I used to do much and much.

So, like, it doesn't really, I mean, I don't really have many emotions about it except for him pissed that. He's in jail for us. I'm pissed that he died, of course, because I don't know the guy. I'm always pissed about that. Was Caleb pissed? Was Caleb pissed?

Yeah. He just shot somebody. Imagine you're in this position. You're trying to hide the facts that your friend shot an innocent man. But the detectives have been taking that fact for granted for the past two hours. They've been using his name, asking questions about details and reference. refusing to accept the fact that it might not have been him. Eventually, you would internalize this idea and forget that you even need to lie.

That's what just happened here. And it's why Devon barely even realizes that he's just confirmed that Caleb was in fact the shooter. Of course, there were mountains of evidence against him anyway, but now they have it straight from the source, and a conviction will be easy. The detectives now only have one last question. Was this really an accident? Or had they planned this out as a murder from minute one? Do you remember what he said?

Hmm. Is he panicked? Oliver's kind of panicked, because, like I said, I didn't see it coming. I don't like unexpected things like this happening because of this situation exactly. I mean, look at me now. In here for accessory to murder and I didn't see that. I mean, if I do something, it's going to be planned out and it's going to get done correctly, so I'm not in the situation.

That's why I was kind of pissed and I was panicked, because I didn't see him about that. So let me ask you this. If this is your deal, and this is your plan, let me say you're planning the robbery, you've done. We've already talked about that. I'm not asking when, dates, when, if this is your, you're doing,

it's not going to be random like this. It's going to be planned out. Well, yeah, and it's not going to be on a random person usually. So what Caleb or this other person were calling, what did, it's pretty amateur, right? Huh? Pretty amateur. What, was it that?

Yeah. Yeah, well, like I said, It wasn't even planned, so I mean, you can't even, I don't think ever could be the right word is random. It wasn't supposed to happen. 98% of the time, it's not wrong somebody. It's not random people, which is why I'm irritated about this whole situation, because I don't know who the hell this guy was, except for what the nude said, but the nude always makes.

Any white dude who dies look like a peach, so I don't know. But that's why I'm irritated about this, because I don't know this food and then the bottom. Devon's main point ended up being that if he had planned the murder, they simply wouldn't have caught him. So it had to have been a spur of the moment decision, but the detectives didn't buy it. And in fact, this approach actually made things exponentially worse for Devon. The interrogation ended shortly after, but the detectives decided to do some further research into these other robberies. They ended up connecting him and Caleb to multiple other serious incidents, including the robbery of a cell phone store the very next day,

and an incident where they fired shots into a pregnant woman's home. It was clear that they had been planning multiple robberies and were using Caleb's gun as a method of intimidation to make money. As you could imagine, this didn't look good in court for any of them. Devon received the highest sentence. He was found guilty on 18 counts, including first-degree murder, attempted murder, aggravated robbery, and aggravated intimidation of a witness. He was sentenced to life in prison plus 279 years. Caleb also received a similar sentence of life plus 100,000. The fourth passenger in the car, Eternity Lopez, was also interrogated, but was found to be completely uninvolved.

She was picked up after the murder, so it seems like she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was not charged with the incident. But possibly worst of all for Devon, his efforts in the interrogation room failed to even help Alicia get off any lighter. She was also found guilty in the murder of Andrew Genicechek and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.