Drama Queens - 23 Questions with Danneel Ackles

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Danneel takes the Drama Queen 23 like a champ. Find out the strange (and creepy) items she once bought, what she did that she regrets doing, the bizarre things she’s been known to do in other people’s bathrooms, the love of her life…and so much more. Plus, find out who she once tried to set Sophia up with and why she’s glad it didn’t work out!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama, girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Hey, everybody, welcome back.

We're doing 23 questions again, again, this time with our lovely friend, Danielle. Yay. We're so glad you're here. Thank you. I'm nervous and I'm ready to go. We're going to learn everything about you outside of your popcorn fixation today. Okay. It goes dark sometimes, so just don't be afraid to lean in.

Okay. who wants to kick us off i'll go d what is your idea of perfect happiness being with my kids probably that's it being with my kids that is my perfect happiness i'll get in trouble for not saying jensen though i mean let me jensen can be allowed in that he is part of the children he is one of the children do you feel like your husband's one of your kids. I do. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Whoever doesn't feel that way, it's a lie. You guys have that sprinter van. You're always going on adventures together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every woman I know who's married to a man says that. She feels like he's one of her children. Which can be adorable.

They turn that way after you have kids. I think if we would have never have kids, he would have stayed somewhat capable of doing things on his own. But now he's like, oh, well, they're, she's doing it for them so she'll just yeah those chicken nuggets look delicious yeah i love it um what's your favorite trip that you've gone on with those kids because you guys scoot around my favorite trip of all time is um we took them to london for spring break last year and everyone said we were crazy and it was really fun and we survived oh yeah do you take him to all those gnarly like dungeons and well I actually ended up getting COVID so I was in the hotel room but it was like the prior that we did some stuff outside of London and you know

did some countryside roaming it's fun it's so pretty yeah well Danielle what's your greatest fear um that would be being separated from my kids and not like top would be kids Jensen, I could, um, I would be sad, but it would be, it would be my children, you know. And we're watching heartbreaking videos right now of that, um, happening, uh, in Israel. So that made me think of it this morning. Um, you know, like being, your children being ripped from you, like I can't imagine anything more horrible than that for me personally. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you, I know that as like a grown up, so much of our decision, whether it's like work or where we're going to live or any of that is just informed by our kids,

you know? And so being able to show up for their stuff is super important to you. You've always prioritized that. Yeah. And I mean, I like, I'm not going to lie. I envy people. Like I have friends and they're like, oh, I'm going to go off to Europe and like they just like their kids just stay with babysitters. I mean, I know it's like half of it is a problem for me. and the and the i just can't do it it's like it's like not inside of me i can't separate there's some therapists out there right now like but it doesn't work for me i know i'm supposed to maybe do that but it doesn't feel right when i do it so it doesn't it doesn't geoffrey and i never went on a honeymoon because i was like and like leave them right no like good okay so i'm not the only

no we'll go to therapy together it'll be good for us right uh all right question number three if you could be the best in the world at something anything what would it be i'll get selfish on this one it would be like free diving what oh yeah yes wait what did you watch that movie no and i haven't seen it yet but i'm was i'm reading like uh do you know susan casey she writes all these like fantastic books on like the wave and she wrote devil's teeth and she wrote a book um that I'm starting that's about free diving but I just love the ocean and I love being quiet in the ocean usually on the surface because they don't know how to free dive but if like um I would I would be really good at that I think that I mean can you imagine being able to go down like 50 feet

by yourself and just are you a good swimmer not real i mean not really we've been friends a long time i don't think i've ever seen you swim i don't swim denial well i surf i surfed oh yeah okay all right now i'm remembering that face i see yeah i mean i'm not like a i'm not one of these swimmers in the pool like i'm more of this the doggy paddle yeah i'm baffled that people can swim. It makes my brain explode. I'm like, that's something that you learned how to do that's crazy. Wow. Yeah. Free diving. It's like going to outer space to me. Yeah. No, it is like it's our outer space and it's so cool. I think I would like to be good at that. Okay. I love that.

When the kids graduate and you have no choice but to go out and do things on your own. Right. I know. I honestly, I can't wait for that phase. Okay. Question four. What is the weirdest item that you keep by your bed? Ooh. I'm just like, this is a weird thing. I've become addicted to eating cough drops at night. And somehow I'm from candy. Like, when I'm reading, I'm just like, I'll buy, like, uh, Ludens, like the worst.

Like, it is candy. It's candy. Right. It's just candy. You're just an old grandma sucking on hard candies. I'm just sucking on hard candy and I keep my whole bedside table is full of them. And that's what I do at night. And I do like three of them in a row.

And then I have to get up and brush my teeth again. Oh. You know, it's like, I don't know why I do, but it's like my thing right now. What's the flavor? Because I used to drink tea like while I would read at night. And then I'm like up going to the bathroom all night long. And I love drinking tea at night, but I just like can't do it anymore. I had a boyfriend in high school that always had those like honey menthol cough drops.

And it made, like, kissing real cool. I was like, what is it? Your mouth is crazy. Such an adventure. It's way better than a cigarette. Yeah. Cool, cool. Into it.

DeNeil, what living person do you most admire? Living. Yeah. Oh, geez. And I should have looked out cross questions because this was a thing. No, no. We want them on the fly, man. Good instinct.

Living. person. Maybe my mom. She's done a lot of things. Yeah. You know, I'll just stay close to the heart. I would say my mom. She's been in the past like six years, she goes on like archeological digs.

She does power lifting. She does. What? Yeah. Yeah. Like she won a power lifting championship. Are you kidding? That's.

So cool. It's unreal. I have a video of it. I'll send it to you guys. It's fine. Wait, why? But she lives a lot of different lives. And I think that's really cool.

Where is she now? Louisiana. Oh, okay. Yeah. I love people that are unafraid to choose their joy over and over again and just be like, I did that. Now I'm going to do this. Yeah.

It's really inspiring. Totally reinvent. And I try to reinvent myself like that. too and I don't care if people are like oh wait you're not you weren't about that five years ago I'm like well I am now we have very short time on earth to do all these things and I don't know she really I mean she wore like a sling one of those like almost like a wrestling sling and was like binge pressing with these it's called deadlifting you know it's crazy but anyway yeah so I guess I'll save my mom that's where you get the free diving thing from that's where you're like I'll do that yeah

why wouldn't I why not I'm into that attitude all right well then let's get down to us this is fun what is your greatest extravagance where does denille get fancy real estate yeah you love easy I love a house I love a house I love a house I love a house is it Because you love designing, like you want to get in there and design the house? Or you just like being able to have places, different places? I like every time you move or you, you know, you just get to like recreate, restructure. I think I like the restructuring and the reorganizing more than any than decorating or the place. Because every place you are also changes the way you feel and your outlook on things.

So, I don't know, definitely real estate. You also end up in haunted places a lot, to do you. Always. Like a damn magnet. Both of you. Well, listen, when the door's open. Yeah. I like it.

Once you've lifted the veil. I'm looking. Can you sleep, though? Sometimes, like, I'm usually fine sleeping, but then every once in a while, I'm like, uh-huh. Yeah, never. I'm not a good sleeper anyway And my dad is like somebody who only

When he was working a lot Would sleep for like four hours And I think four or five hours And be totally fine And I'm like that It's hard to get up But once I'm up I'm like wired all day Jeff's like that

Just go Go go All right well listen I can't wait to see all the different houses That you end up in And all the different ghosts That we meet along the way That's the book you need to write

That would be a good one Yeah. My roommates. Tadda. My roommates. Cute. Oh, man. Okay. Question seven. What is your current state of mind? Truthfully, anxiety-ridden, stressed, you know, current state of the world isn't perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It's not exactly inspiring calm confidence, is it? It's not. And I wish I could, I also wish I could be one of those people. who just kind of tunes it out and goes on with their day and that's you know a lot of people

look at like that person doesn't care they don't have empathy they're but they're just able to keep going and I'm just not that way you know like I read something or hear something and then it it's like gosh you know and we're kind of programmed to keep going we like you know society programs us to keep going. And I don't know. I had a group of people invite me to a parade today. I'm like, no, can't do it today. Yeah. Yeah. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years.

You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep tradition. alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, well, what do you most value in your friends? What kind of characteristics do you most

value? Oh, honesty. Honesty. Like, I do not want someone to bullshit me about how great I am or how great. Just none of that. I like honesty. Like, let's have real conversations. Let's talk about, I mean, we can talk about great things about each other, and that's fun. But I also want to talk about the things that aren't great and just be honest. Yeah.

Well, I mean, especially in all of our friendships, getting honest with each other was paramount. Because it was like we were gaslit for so long trying to keep us all apart that maybe in our developing years we were like, wait a tick. Hold on a second. Who's going to cut through the red tape and actually just, you know, tell the truth. Yeah. Well, and that gets easier as you get older. I mean, it's really hard to do in your early 20s. You know, you're just like in high school and everything. You're just trying to fit in. You're trying to, you know, not rock them. Totally. But not saying that. like I need my friends to rock the boat, but I just, like, I would, I have a lot of, I can't make small talk and I don't, I know a lot of, I just really don't like it. I don't enjoy doing that. I'd rather talk to you about something that matters. Yeah. Well, you're so good at that, because any time that we've had social situations where, like, I've introduced you to friends of mine, they always text me after the fact and they're like, I think I'm best friends with her now.

Like, we sat down and we talked about, like, like, trauma and real stuff. Like, you go off in the corner of the bar. Yeah, I like to get in there. Me too. What's going on in there? Yeah, you're the kind of person at a party that I feel like you can just stay in one place the whole time. Oh, yeah. I'd rather do that.

Maybe that's part of what has kept all of us friends for so long. I was giggling. I was at a party on Friday night for a friend's retirement. And I had like three deep talks individually with three of my girlfriends in the kitchen. Everybody's dancing and rage and we were like sweating, just yelling, having a good time. And then I don't know what happened. It just became like therapy time. Oh, yeah.

Somebody rang the bell. Yeah. And Kenny was with me. And Kenny comes around the corner and he goes, are you doing therapy with people in the kitchen? Come back to the party. I was like, I don't know what's happening. Yeah. We are.

We're just, we're talking about our shit. Therapy hour. love it. I love when that happens at a party. God bless Kenny for knowing you well enough to be like, I need to break this spell right now. He was like, all right, office hours are over. Let's go and like pulled me back onto the dance floor. I was like, I love you. But it was perfect. And yeah, maybe that is something as we age. Like we see people a little bit better. We know we know what to ask past like what you've been up to. Yeah, what are you doing? I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Big feelings. Okay, well, maybe this ties into this.

On what occasion do you lie? Honestly? Yeah. Every day. Unless you're lying right now. I mean. Every day, but on what occasion? Like, I don't know.

I read that somewhere. Like, if you, everybody tells a lie every day. Little lie. Or you're either lying yourself about something or you've. totally a white lie but if we're yes if we're being honest I probably lie every day you lie to your kids too don't you all the time yeah all the time 100% yeah it's good for them though helps them learn how to sift through the bullshit I lied to them about what's doing right now I was like I am glad to do some very very serious

stuff upstairs and room it's going to ruin the whole thing and it will be all your fault and, yeah. Yeah. Don't let them hear you laugh, though, because then that gets confusing. I close both doors, so. And I have the dog in between, so in case they open that door, the dog,

that's like my alarm. They don't need to know. You know what kids like is discovering shit out about you 20 years later, right? So, like, definitely lie to them right now. And then later, they'll be like, whoa. That's crazy. But they'll be like,

Everything I thought I ever knew is a lie. Who am I? I'm waiting for that thing where I can, like, wipe the internet. There's going to be a button where I can just, like, wipe of, I don't know, all the sexy times. No, listen, when we're old ladies, you need to own that sexy time. You definitely, I'm glad we cataloged that. It will be awkward for a minute, though.

It's going to be off. Maybe. I don't think so. kids now they're different they just view us as like dorky moms it doesn't matter what we've done it doesn't matter if your shirts on or off no they don't care okay they're like you're a nerd make me a sandwich yeah you're my mom okay thank you for that yeah yeah Pam Anderson raised two boys right two and they think she's great so it's great she went to fashion week with no makeup on I thought that was pretty god she's so cool isn't that cool she is cool Cool. Okay. Question 10. What is one thing you will never do again?

Well, we've already said, I will never again go on a trip without my kids. Yeah. But one specific thing, I don't know. But, like, I used to be very reckless. I will call it reckless because I know where it came from. but some people will call it like very free-spirited. I will probably not be that way again. It was fun. I don't, you always took calculated risks.

Yeah, way ones, though. Like what? Would you get in strangers' cars? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Just fun, wild behavior. But I think also that kind of behavior we could get away with. 10 years ago, 15, 20 years ago. Yeah. Less so now. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's iPhones now.

We don't want them catching us. There's iPhones, yeah. Just different kind of people out there. Yeah. Well, it's kind of taken all the fun away. It has, really. You poor kids. You have no idea the shit we used to do.

It was crazy. I want them to envision the 90s like it was the Wild West, like that we were just. He gave me like a video the other day. on it. Like, there's been all these videos circulating, like, on social media about, like, how crazy it was to grow up when we grew up, like, you know, as latchkey kids and, like, just zero rules and, like, the threatening way parents parented. Oh, yeah. Like, the I'm going to kill you phrase constantly. Yeah. Constantly. I mean, clueless. I got a 45 and a shovel. No one would

miss you. Exactly. Exactly. People talk. to people like that. Yeah. No, now it's like, baby, I love you so much. If you want drugs, I'll get them for you, so they're safe. Come on. Mommy, mommy will sit in the room with you and be your guide. Oh, boy.

That's kind of the parent that I am. That's what I'm doing. No, I don't think you were ever terribly reckless. Maybe a little impulsive. Impulsive. But that's fun. Yeah, it is fun. But I probably won't ever get to do that again.

Mark my words. You will. You'll be free diving in your 60s. That's what I want to see. I want to see when your kids go off to college and you're like, what am I doing with my life now? Like, wait a minute. Danielle said she wasn't going to put her boobs on the internet again. Do it, do.

What's going on? Yes. Okay. All right. What's the strangest purchase you've made or almost made? I bought like a dental fandom once. That's a weird thing to buy. A dental what?

What? What? What? It was like teeth. It's what Dennis used to practice. Why did you buy this? Like the molds? Yeah, it's the mold, but it's actual people.

Well, I don't know what they use now, but they used to use actual teeth that they would put into a like a gum. Fake mandible. Yeah. It was open and it was on this like wooden stand. And I don't know why I thought it was pretty, but I did. And I bought that. Is it vintage?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very, very old. The old teeth guys. Okay. Antique. Yeah, I don't think they do. Like I said, I don't really think they do that anymore, but I hope not. And if they do, then it would probably, you know, like when you donate your body to science or, you know, for medical, like, it probably wasn't supposed to be then mounted on to like a mahogany stand and soil at the store, but it was that I bought it.

Was this an evolution or what's that store that was on Santa Monica? No. Do you know where I got it? Um, do you remember that show oddities? You had to watch. Okay. Yeah. I used to go there when I worked at MTV. I bought it there.

Of course. But I, like, am now like, where is that thing? Yeah. Jeez. It's got to be in a box somewhere. Maybe that's why your house is always haunted. It's not the house. You're walking around with somebody's teeth.

Well, so one time I had this locket that I had, I got it a vintage store in, I got it in Scotland. and it was like a beautiful locket and on the front it had like tennis brackets and then when you opened it had like a picture of a little girl and then it had like a little tiny piece of hair and I and this is before I had kids so I just thought it was really cool and like I love antique jewelry and I just always kept it in my jewelry bag and then during COVID I was like I'm going to clean out all this stuff because I have a bunch of costume jewelry and I was going to organize it you know we're all finding things to do and that came out and jensen was like are you kidding with that and i was like no what's wrong with it and he's like well it's that child's obviously no longer with us

because it's the locket was 100 years old or something yeah and then it had the hair and being an expert on the paranormal and oh right he did a whole show about that didn't he oh yeah he was like you can't keep hair from a deceased person. He's like, that's a way that they can come back. It's like, oh. And so then because, again, it was COVID, we like took out the mortar, the mortar and pestle. And then we put the hair in there, lit it on fire and did like some ceremony to get rid of it.

To set her free. We read it on the internet. I love that he is into this. Yeah. It's so great. Not really buying things like that anymore, but that was an odd person. Yeah, I bet. Okay.

All right, you're weirdo. Who are your favorite writers? Well, I love Susan Casey. And that was big for me because I normally just love to read a novel. I don't, I'm like, oh, a self-help book every now and then, but it's really hard for me to actually finish those. Yeah. But she, and I guess I should have said Hillary. Hilary Burton on that one.

They're for different purposes. They're for different purposes. But I love, I think, right now, because I'm into her, and I would say Susan Casey, because she's a person that's alive that is doing these crazy things that usually only men do. And she's just kind of a fearless, awesome person. I remember you were like really into Tom Robbins when we were doing. in one tree hill and being super reckless so that tracks yeah yeah yeah uh yeah tom robbins um i used to love historical fiction and just edward rutherford remember like all those like

london rome i think that's who wrote that anyway i don't know him yeah well all right now you're going to free dive god i'm not going to be able to get over this like as someone who's terrified of water. This is like you telling me that you're going to get shot out of a canon. I am too. I am also like scared of it, but in this like fascinated way. You know, what's going on down there? I'm going to send you Jaws. That's a book about water. I read that actually. Jeff just read it again this summer and he's like, oh good. I forgot about that book. It's really good. Yeah. I would love to read Jaws. That's a good summary. There's also, speaking of movie books, There's a really good book on Thelma and Louise that I read, like, maybe like a year ago.

I found, you know, those, like, if people have libraries set up outside. Yeah, a little free library. I love him. Walking somewhere, and I just took that. And it was a book on Thelma and Louise, but it was a book on the, the maker of Thelma and Louise, the writer and how she got the movie made and how, like, amazing. Cool. Cool. Google it.

Google it, people. That's fun. I still have it. It's somewhere downstairs, but because I didn't put it back, which I should have, because I think or put something else in is the idea of that. It's with the teeth. Yeah, you do swaps. That little library and rustic canyon that I should have put that back.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor. to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years.

You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic-con

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. After two and a half years, he was cheating while you were pregnant. We're pregnant.

Yeah. About 13 women? more like if i would have stayed married to max i think he would have cheated forever it was just toxic relationship michael cawson returns to wind down with jana kramer wind down with jana kramer and michael cosson you don't want to miss this three-part reunion on i heart radio or wherever you get your podcast all right we've got a pivot coming at you What is your greatest regret? Oh, I know.

Bum out. I think it's, I mean, and maybe because I'm with you all, but probably not be more present in my years when I was working. I just feel like I wasn't that present. I wasn't. I mean, it's hard when you're young again, but, you know, like I wasn't actively trying to remember everything that I did and the experiences that we had and I had on other shows. I mean, I was just so, I guess, ambitious in a way and like looking at the next thing and looking at the next thing and like, where's this going to go and where's this going to go and never really enjoying the moment. I think that's everybody when they're young, though, isn't it? I mean, don't we all do that? But, like, Hillary, when I was reading your book, it was amazing to me.

And, like, I cried several parts of it. But one of the things was because I just don't remember anything like you remember things. And it was, you know, I was like, gosh, I wish I would have paid attention more in high school and remembered all of those experiences and conversations with those people. So now, I guess, that's my biggest regret. and I'm trying now to really be better at it. I'm still a terrible text message person, so if anybody has texted me in the past life. We're going to make a hoarder out of you.

It's so much easier to remember shit when you've got trinkets. I know. See, and that's the thing. I'm really bad. See, I have 187 unanswered texts. Girl. 187. Erase it, right?

I should just clear it off and start it. No, you'll need it one day. You'll need it. Just, no, we're going to make a hoarder out of you. Jensen has that popcorn machine and all of his supernatural doodads in your house. An entire room. To what he justifies that by like pulling up, I don't know what was like John Travolta's airplane wing full of stuff or somebody else that had like more shit. I'm like, yeah.

Okay. No. You're like, I don't need to know that other people are even worse. Yeah. No, fine. Like, just get rid of it. No, but I bet Jensen can remember everything. yeah he does actually but you know yeah you have like memorabilia and things to go along with it that

helps for sure yeah is that your pet peeve what's what's your our next question is what is something that you really dislike um that like but in all all ways and this is like something i got for my mom because she's just like this and um she's worse and she will never hear this uh because She doesn't go on the internet, so I can say it. You know, like, my mom doesn't even like, everything's so ordered that there's never any food in the refrigerator because that would look messy. Oh, yeah. Also, we don't have, like, you can't have a trash can in the bathroom because then the trash would be in it. Where do you take it?

I mean, I have trash cans in my bathroom now. It's like an out of defiance for my upbringing. Oh, yeah. But I'm still like that. Like, if I see, like, I have to actively think, and this has been accomplished with some help, guys. If it works, I have to look at it and just be like, okay, there's trash in the trash can and I can see it. And I'm not going to empty it because it's only like two or three things. Like, I've got a little bit of that obsessive, compulsive, like, but it's all about, like, order cleanliness.

Like, all of my forks and knives face the same way in drawers. like as you start to like go through my house you'll start to see signs of that but it's like a pet peeve but I always think and it it's not good for me either because it doesn't like people like that like you can't really relax like when I walk into a space I'm instantly going to notice like I'm the person that's looking behind your toilet oh don't just don't yeah don't come here and then I will probably clean it for you while I'm in there I mean, then yes, come over because I'm not judging you. I'm not judging you because I know it's my own sickness.

Do your kids take part in this too? Like, are they responsible for making sure all the silverware is facing the right direction, the bathroom toilet's clean behind the commode? I wish. I try to like, I'm just at the point where like I'm trying to like, okay, you have a basket in your room, just put your dirty clothes in that. That's a big step. I'm there too.

They did not pick up any of that. They're jumping all the way. You're breaking generational curses. Look at you go. Yay. You're doing it. You did it. Okay.

Well, what or who is the greatest love of your life? Now, you know there's a whole army on the internet right now that's like, shit better say that right as her. No, it has to be Jensen. Yeah. Yeah. You too were so fucking cute in the beginning. I'm glad.

We got a front row seat to that. I know. And actually, I was thinking about this the other day. Sophia, I tried to hook you up with Jensen. And I don't remember why you said no. But thank you for saying no. Oh, my God. That's hilarious.

You remember that? I do remember that. I was like, you should go on a date with him. He's really nice. Yeah. And then I was, I remember being staunchly in a like, I'm never going to date an actor again. L.O.L. I learn lessons the hard way.

But I was just like, no, I'm going to be more responsible with myself. And, you know, he's your perfect person. So we did good. Yeah. So thank you for not accepting that. I loved that. Yeah. When did you know?

You knew really early on the like he was it. Yeah. But what was like the... I had to get in a lot of trouble for that. And, you know, sometimes being reckless pays off. You know? Mm-hmm. I feel like, though, when you guys like,

clicked in like you clicked like things went into place and everyone went oh oh like you you knew he knew everybody around you could tell that was cool to see which was unfortunate for the people that we were dating I don't feel bad listen they're all in different relationships and super happy and Like, I don't, I, I still don't get, I've never been a jealous person in a relationship. And I, I just, I still don't get that way now. I'm like, if it's working, it's working. If it's not, it's not, you know? And we were both not in working relationships at the time, you know.

And we weren't, it's not like we were married and had kids and, you know, no, it's fine. No, you're supposed to fuck around in the beginning when you're figuring it out. We wouldn't have any rock and roll songs if there wasn't fucking around in the beginning. Yes, no Stevie Nicks for sure. Oh, God. I don't want to live in that world. We would, Matt. I loved it.

I loved that for y'all. Okay. When and where were you happiest? Right now. That's a great answer. That's a great answer. I've ever been right now. I feel like a lot of the, you know,

I would say 99% of the people that we've done this questionnaire with are all saying that. And I'm wondering if it's like a post-COVID attitude, if it's like we all had everything just ripped out from under us. And the level of like awareness and appreciation now is just higher. Because we're all still dealing with the same stress and the same like, you know, bullshit. Yeah. And I like, I have a really good friend who just always reminds me that people are good. that most people are good because it's like so scary and so depressing everything all the time

that we listen to and read and yeah. But most people are good, you know? Once you see that, you can just not unsee it. And I'm like that. That's why I'm just like, I'm super happy right now because I'm in a place that I love with my whole family and it's good and we're all healthy. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. we should be if you're not happy and you have those things going for you right now damn you know yeah so what uh what talent would you most like to have it's different than the free diving thing because that's like the best in the world's because then you're just you know doing whatever you singer yeah i tattooed it on my arm you what well you know this tattoo is um when people ask what it is. I'm just like, oh, it's just a lady. But she's singing. Again, not that we're, I'm still on Hillary's book tour right now.

But in the chapter where you talk about your, make yourself your own muse, that's what this is. And I love music so much. Like it's my, you know, enjoy, you'll get this. I mean, it's just like, I can't imagine a world without music. I am constantly walking around with like earbuds on. or listening, like, I want, I had speakers in the bathroom is an extravagance. I should put, that should be on the list.

I'm like, I want speakers everywhere. And I want to hear music because that makes me so happy. And I like wish I could sing my kid, JJ can sing beautifully. And I'm so, oh, my gosh, to watch myself, I'll be trying to make her into the next. We talked about this on a rooftop once while eating tacos. and drinking some alcohol that was available. I'm remembering this now. We were talking about a YouTube video,

like a singing lesson class you could kind of take on your own. Did you ever do that? I didn't. I'm too scared. But you'll be scared. Yeah, I know. But, and I mean, I can carry a tune, but, you know. We've done karaoke with you, De Nile.

We know. I can sing Candlewock. I don't know. I just like that to me. Like, what a gift. I always look at people that can sing and, you know, enjoy. Like, you just can stand up and just, it just comes out. And it's just so beautiful.

And I love that. And I'm always just also, like, amazed by people like that. Hillary, you can sing too. No, she can. I can talk, sing. It's a different theater thing. You're underselling. Loretta Lenn I've heard you sing

Well I wonder if part of the reason You're such a good producer Is that you've always been able to cultivate talent in that way Like you've Not everybody seeks out musicians Not everybody seeks out talent And you seem to be constantly curating Like your perfect mixtape

You know And like you were the first person I knew that was going to hotel cafe To hear people play and just get into that L.A. guitar scene, you know? Yeah, no, I love that. And, like, most of my friends, that's what we did every weekend when I was young. That's all we did is I would listen to people sing. And I just love it.

I'm always amazed by people that can sing. It's so interesting to me. I can sit through a concert. I could probably sit in a concert listening to people sing for, like, 14 hours maybe. Do you and Jensen sing together? I just remember in that little house you guys are in in L.A. He had that whole room full of bongos and shit.

Yeah, we will. I will like listen to him and, you know, the kids. Zeppelin was like playing, we have a ukulele and so he was holding that. And like Jensen the other day, it was so cute. But yeah, I just like that to me is the best talent. How fun. You guys can be like Devon traps.

I would have been like. I would have been like buck naked like look at me I mean like there's there's a reason why you aren't given certain things and I'm like okay no way no I love this I want to see a family band that's what I want yeah yeah it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture it was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with

Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hillary Burton Morgan here, and I am excited to share with you a new series I'm launching.

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Come join us as we get curious and get involved. Listen to True Crime Story. It couldn't happen here on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This question's kind of weird. If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it? be not the singing thing yeah not the singing thing um and not the obsessive need to clean everything i mean that could be it too i would probably have way more patience i would ask for more patience are you impatient very very and i'm like starting to see it in my kids too i'm like

I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like such an instant gratification person. I'm really working on that, but I'm like very impatient. Man, I would not have spotted that in you. That you see, like you really seem like a patient person to me all the times that I've been around to you. There's a lot of acting going on. Because I like to work at a level in all things in my life that I don't. think other people should work at or want to work at that level. And I'm just like, why is this

not happening? Like, I'm just like, I get so frustrated with that in all areas of life. So I would take that away if I could. I don't know. I think you get a lot done. Sometimes the curse is a blessing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like it. Okay. Well, what do you consider your greatest achievement? My children. I just love the way you answer that because she knows. She knows. It's true, though. True.

That one I got to say. They're so good. And for somebody who did not want to have kids. And like I love Chelsea Handler, so I love all the stuff she does about like, you don't kids because you don't. I definitely believe that. Like I, my life could be. really fun if I didn't have kids I mean like it would be amazing

so I can see both sides of it but like you know now once you have it then you're like that's that's what it is yeah all the people out there that don't it's not I can imagine it both ways and being fantastic both ways you know yeah well you and JJ are so like locked in like she is your buddy

and that's fun to watch he's an interesting kid though I mean like she's she's actually like I've never had to fuss at her and she's 10 like she just doesn't she just I'm like you're such a good person I often tell it to her just like that I'm like confused by it I'm like yeah how did you come out like your desire is to like be happy and please people do the right thing wow cool what is that like got that from jensen oh jensen He's so feminine deep down And I love that about him

Yeah No Yeah Soft and sweet man He'll admit that Good More boys should If you were going to die

And come back as a person or thing What would it be? A thing Hmm Yeah take your pick Anything Well I just finished Watching the Gilded Age

First season I know I'm behind But I really love that Like I think would be fun to be in that era like there's a scene where they're watching like electricity starting and like the railroads were started like there were so many amazing adventures and like it not adventures inventions that were happening in that time how cool would it be to like live

through that um but then there was also like the really bad shit that was going on um and also those outfits you know you have to have a fainting couch and all that I wonder how long it would be before we get sick of those outfits because they do look fun. Oh gosh, the costumes on that. Like you didn't have to do a target run in those costumes. Oh, I know, I know, I know. I want to be

Nikola Tesla. Girl? Okay. Yeah, well, first I'd want to be a guy because I'm not, and I would like to see how that is. Yeah. Just peeing. Yeah.

Anywhere you want. Yeah. Just being in charge of everything. Anywhere on time. But Nicola Tesla, because also, you know, he said that he was getting all these visions from like angels, like half angel, half alien things. Like if you do a deep dive on him, it's so crazy.

And maybe I'd want to be him, like, see what's really going on in there. Edison Tesla rivalry. I was fixated on that for a hot minute. In it correctly in a film, I think, personally. Well, yeah. Can you imagine inventing the coolest shit ever at the same exact time someone else is inventing the coolest shit ever? And you're just like, dude. It's like Steve Jobs and.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I just sang on a musical for Tesla. Somebody created a musical and they have a cast album coming out soon. It's really interesting. It's such a. interesting story. Where's that going to be, are we going to be able to?

I don't know. They started putting the whole thing up in London about a year ago and then it started going through some more rewrites and maybe I need to come out of retirement. Yeah. You could play Tesla, did he? Let's go. He was hot. I'm going to say it.

He was a good looking man. I like, Jensen and I looked into stuff and I was like, there were two movies coming out. You know how like right when you start thinking about something, then you're like, okay, they're making two films. It's everywhere. And so they're making two films and I'm like, oh, we should do a series and like a series more based in the visions he was having and bring more of that. Yes. Actual aspect of it. Oh, yeah.

That would be so cool. And have Jensen play him. But I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Jay would like to nerd out. Yeah. Can you write that script for us, Hillary?

I'm on it. It'll be all visions. All right, what's my question? Here, do you have something in your life that just comes so easily that you know it's exactly where you belong? Yes. my but it is that it is that question like I have very strong intuitions about what I'm supposed to be doing and where I'm supposed to be all the time and that can be and I've always had that and that can be it's time to get away from this situation or this place or it's like to go somewhere and I just always feel like whatever that push or pull is like my guess have you ever second guessed it Have you ever been like, I'm just being a psycho? No.

Wow. That's so good. What is that like? No. Because it's been so right that I just don't second guess it. And I go for it fully. Like, wow. It's like the lesson that Paul taught us.

Commit, right? Like, commit to the bit. And you have always committed. And I think that that just makes everyone else trust your direction too. Or I'm just like a complete psychotic person who doesn't ever want to admit they were wrong. I'm like, just stay the force until it works. It's this wrong thing. What is wrong?

No. No, we need more of that. Yeah, that's a great quality, honestly, because there's just so much that living in fear will keep you, oh, I can only speak for myself, but it can keep me stuck in a place of like, instead of just moving. If you just move, just keep moving. Then, like, things can change. You can shift and grow. And I will often get paralyzed in, like, decision making and trying to figure out what the right thing is.

And it's just better to keep moving and trust that things will work its way out. Yeah. Well, that part, because you can waste a lot of time just, like, on the hamster wheel, you know, like, oh, should it be this way? Should it be this? You know, and I'm just like, what do I feel this? And I'm going to go with that, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

And if it's wrong, it's wrong. And I'll learn something then. but if it's not and it works, then great, you know? Yeah. I think that's so cool that you've always felt like that. That's something that I certainly feel like I'm growing into is being like, no, I know how I feel. I don't particularly, I'm not going to make my decisions based on anybody else.

And that feels like a new kind of ownership of self. And it is like, I'm like, wow, it is crazy to know that you've always been so tapped into that. that's like real old soul energy oh i haven't really thought about it like old soul stuff but yeah i love like the idea that our souls were here and they know things and like i love you know have you read that book journey of souls no she's writing it down she's going to be sucking on cough drops later it's it is so wild and so good okay oh i can't wait to talk to you about it when you read it. Oh, my God. Have you had a medium tell you that you're reincarnated someone else before? No, I had someone to, and I don't know a lot about this, but I did

have someone really, really great tell me that this was my last time. What? Whoa. And I didn't know what that meant and I had to go. And I'm also one of those people like in the moment. Like it was such a great moment that I was having with her. And she said, you know, this is your last time here. So you know you're doing it all and you're figuring out and you're really thinking and I was like my last time here and then I went and looked it up and and you know your soul takes a lot of journeys and supposedly this is my last one so let's get crazy yeah but that means you've leveled up you know yeah that's like when you have absolutely leveled up maybe yeah you're not a cat it's not a nine lives thing.

Oh, I think it also, what a cool idea that someone could tell you that and you could be like, well, if it's my last time, I want to do it all. Yeah. Which kind of relates to our next question, where would you most like to live? Like if you want to do it all and see it all, where would you most like to live this last time around? Where I am right now. Yeah.

But I, well, like a fantasy place to live. like I will because see this is the thing and Chelsea Hanler would tell you this where like the damn kids come in because you got to look at the school districts yeah got to stay in your school district um gosh I would I would love to live in Scotland I think I've gone there a lot as a kid and my parents have a place there and um what a magical castle land that's real and And I want to go there so bad. I still haven't been. Yeah, there I want to.

I haven't been up to the Orkney Islands, but there are these old prehistoric islands in Scotland. And like that would be amazing. Just somewhere sort of wild and free and definitely in nature, you know. Yeah. I'm growing in my older age. I like the cold. I like colder places. Ooh.

Interesting not like anything hot, but I am. or anything cold, but I'm, I like a sweater. We were like lizards when we were kids. Yeah, I mean, like. Now I want cold, maybe some rain. Like, give me some overcast. Give me all the rain. Like a wood burning fire.

Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's what I want. What would be there with you? What is your most treasured possession? My family. Aww. And Franklin, our daughter.

Oh. Yeah. So it was also family. The greatest. Yeah. I love that you've built this family, you know, and it's been really fun to be your friend through it and all get to watch it, you know, to go from like you date and other dudes to meeting the man of your dreams. And you guys, like, building all these homes together and having these kids. And it's cool to watch that trajectory. And that only happens when you're friends for decades, you know. decades decades it was good to celebrate that yeah and then when all our kids hate us at the same time for lying to them

we can hold each other's hands yeah no it's perfect perfect Danielle it is always a treasure seeing you what are you going to do now you're going to come out of that room and tell your kids

that you did some serious business I'm going to stay in here for a while take a nap under this desk use the quiet time while you have it. She's just actually having a play date with a friend, so. Oh, great. I don't know.

Like, go find a pumpkin patch or something. Yeah. Cute. Yeah. Corn maize. Apple cider donuts. Yeah. The whole thing.

All right, baby. Well, we love you. Thank you for being a part of this big extended family. Yeah, thanks for coming to play. Yes. Yay. Thank you. Bye.

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