Drama Queens - 23 Questions with Kate Voegele

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

A musician’s biggest anxiety, a crazy life-altering experience while filming, FOMO, go-to drinks, an inspiring story of taking criticism and turning it around, plus a very BIG announcement!  There is so much amazing stuff here, we're kinda hoping Kate writes a song about it!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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23 questions you guys she's here we have a gorgeous guest this week you always look so beautiful and chic and put together it's the Parisian in you oh my goodness I would like to think so thank you that is that you flatter me it's so good to see you guys you ladies and gentlemen Kate Vogel everyone knows that voice look how pretty your microphone is oh thank you yeah gold yeah yeah yeah yeah I need a microphone update this is good I need to I need to I need to I'm like can you drop the link in the chat yes please I'll get you guys all the specs I got you all set up does it come in rose gold oh rose gold would be cool yeah it's uh it's definitely like

I I have a lot to learn but I feel like as a musician and I'm going to like shoot myself in the foot saying this because watch me have like a technical difficulty in like 0.5 seconds but doing the Zoom thing, I'm like, there's no excuse for all my stuff not to be dialed. You do sound much clearer than us. We do. You're all like, you're hoping. Too close. You've got that cool little screen that makes you not sound as shrill as I sound.

No. No, no, no. Totally. I'm, I'm loud and prone to, you know, getting like overly excited, especially chatting with old friends. And so, yeah, so this helps it helps. temper it to a degree. But where are you right now? Yeah.

Angelus. I'm at home. Okay. Oh my God. Come over. Oh, my gosh. We're on strike. We should literally just be sitting in the backyard drinking wine together every day. Dude, anytime, I'm so down. I'm here. Yeah. I'm like, I'm ready to go. Let's do it. Let's go. Speaking of strike, we can't talk to you about anything we maybe filmed together, which that's not what we want to talk to you about anyway. We're playing 23 questions because we just want to

learn more about you, Kate Vogel. I feel lucky that we've known you since you were a literal teenager. Yeah, insane. It's so wild. It's so wild to think about. Yeah, it's crazy. And it seems like not that long ago. And then in other times, you're like, that was a different life. It's, it's wild. Yeah, I was, I feel like, you know, the show we didn't film together was sort of my high school experience and yeah like it's it's so cool it was it was a it was a crazy one but it was a great one in so many ways so wonderful how old were you when we met i think i was 19 yeah i think so too is that yeah we were all didn't you turn 20 right at the hundredth birthday party yeah you know what at the hundredth episode party and you guys that is a story there's a lot of stories for a time

when we're drinking something other than water, right? Oh, boy. That's not for this episode, but oh my God. Yeah, the 21st birthday. That was a wild ride. But yeah, it was, I was a kid. I was totally like just, I was a babe in the woods, but you guys were so great in, like, showing me the ropes.

Well, how about we jump into these questions? Because I feel like we've got so many questions for you just about when we first met you in that whole time period. but we want to have you on when the strike is over so we can discuss all the things that we can't discuss right now. Absolutely. I'm in. And we have so many questions for you about me.

Guys, stay tuned because Kate has a big announcement that we should do at the end of the episode too. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. All right. Who wants to start? All right, I'll jump in. First question, no pressure.

What is your idea of perfect happiness? Ooh, that's a good one. oh my gosh okay big one yeah no press no press um okay i'm with all my favorite people so i'm with my family my dog my closest friends eating homemade pasta drinking a great a great bottle of red wine somewhere like on the italian coastline or like in the south of france at magic hour I think that's it. It has to involve food, obviously. You're such a good traveler. I feel like you'll make that happen if you haven't already. I'm not a good traveler. You're a good traveler.

Thank you. It's definitely like me and my husband, Brett, like it's our biggest passion. Like that is like the thing we connected over. We love to travel. Like it's totally just, it's, yeah, it's a huge priority for us. So I hope so. I think that would be cool. Yeah. I, I, I, that, that, That makes me feel good. Yeah, it's like, it's simple, right? Like, it doesn't, and it wouldn't have to be somewhere, like, extravagant or fabulous. But it's just perfect happiness is like my favorite people and really good food and, uh, and great drinks and laughing, you know, just laughing my favorite people. Yeah.

And scenery. The scenery. And scenery. And scenery. What's your greatest fear? Um, well, I mean, okay, I have to say, like a couple weeks ago, I was at a hotel. And the power went out. And I was in my room, so it was fine.

But I had this thought, what if I got stuck in the elevator? A stranger, and I had to pee really bad during this power. Oh, yes. And I couldn't get out. Kate, I think about that every time I'm in an elevator with people. Peeing? Is that weird? Do you guys don't think about that?

Every time. Peeing or getting stuck? Peeing. Having to, like, where would we all pee? You guys, no. Not once in my whole life if I thought that thought. Every time I'm in an elevator for longer than like five seconds, ten seconds. Because we're musicians who've been on tour. And when you have to pee and you're on tour,

it's like a thing, right? Like there's, I think that because there's like, pee stops are a huge, like I recognize every rest stop in the United States how many times I've played shows. So I don't know. Maybe it's that we're very aware of like when's the next time I get to pee on this long road trip. I don't know. Yeah. It instills a pay. panic in you? Yeah, total panic. Yeah, because we don't, we don't have that, but y'all do. Guys, I've peed behind so many buildings in Wilmington and just like anywhere. There's no fear. Absolutely. No, I mean, that, I don't have an issue with that. I grew up in Ohio. I'm like, you know, but it's more the idea of being trapped. Like, I feel like I watched a cute, romantic

comedy, like, show that was about these two people who got trapped in an elevator on New Year's Eve. And the whole time I was like, one of them would have had to pee. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Is it weird being on a bus going into that little bathroom and just like having everyone know, yeah, I'm going to pee. Yeah. It's not super glam.

Wouldn't you say so, Joy? No, it's definitely uncomfortable. But I think everybody just kind of gets over it. And eventually, eventually it's just all, you're all just living together. It becomes a, it becomes a theater kid thing where you're just changing backstage and eventually you're just like whatever people are going to walk by you know i almost feel like the thing that's worse is when you're on a camping trip with people because like everybody's got to go find somewhere in the woods to pee but like when somebody gets up from the campfire and goes and gets

the little shovel you're like i know what you're going to do you're going to dig a hole in the woods like that oh man the elevator pee all right well we're going to write that horror film yeah I go sell it to Blumhouse and it's going to make a ton of money. And after the strike, it will be a huge hit. Yes. Okay. Number three, if you could be the best in the world at something, what would it be? You're already really good at a lot of stuff.

Well, like you're an extraordinary painter too. But thank you. You know what? I think I would say like renovating houses or like old chateauels or something. Like, I'm in my full HG TV lady era. She said renovating a chateau. Yes, like Kate is so too. You have to hire Kate to renovate your chateau, you know?

That might be a little too niche, but I just really want to learn how to like, you know, like do all that stuff. Like I want to be a tool lady. Like the lady like Kate can work a miter saw for sure. Like, yeah. Are you signed up for that website? It's like a cheapcastles.com. I am. Yeah, same.

I follow all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, girl. You need a cat. She wants a chateau. Get a castle. Girl, I will start to send you the links. I look all over France and Italy all the time. Oh my God.

Please, please do. Please bring me on this. I have a backlog just in case. It's for phase two. I'm ready. That's where I'm at. I'm like, that's the next chapter on the horizon, like, down the road a bit. But like, so I'm excited to be chateau neighbors.

So like, what if we? just do a go fund me to buy a chateau that kate can renovate and then like fans can go stay in it that would be sweet actually i thought about being like like even if it's just me with my iphone documenting the process like i love to do like a whole like get entrenched into a project like that and then it's like let's run a workshop or like people can come out and like hang and i don't know man i'm i'm getting all kinds of ideas i could be into that we're gonna find a cheap castle kids I'm ready. Okay, question four. What is the weirdest item that you keep by your bed? Ooh, what is the weirdest item? That's a great one.

Weirdest, like, most unexpected. Well, I would have to say, so our little dog, our little mutt, she has a little game before bed every night after her, after her nighttime walk. And I don't know if this is that weird, but it's definitely unsightly. I have, like, lots of treats, like meat snack treats. Chapskick and meat snacks is my nice stand. Chapstick and meat snacks is the name of the episode. It's so good. Yeah, you know, she has to do her game, her find it game, which is just us throwing meat snacks on the bed and her finding them. So it's really not terribly complicated, but it's like she gets very sad if she doesn't do her find it game.

So I just keep them right by the bed. That's really sweet. These are my meat snacks. Okay, this one is, it's a little tricky for people because it's which living person do you most admire. But I guess if it's too hard, I guess you could also go name a living person that you deeply admire. Oh, yeah, totally. I, man, there's so many. It's, I mean, definitely like both my parents top that list.

They are, like, unbelievably people and such an inspiration. But my little sister, I have one sister, and you guys probably, I'm sure I brought her set a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah. Up you're into, like, every Wilmington bar, like, way before. Oh, yeah. Especially when you turn 21, like an old, like a good older sister, right? Yeah.

Yeah. But she is, she's just like, I look up to her so much, even though she's four years younger. She's, she's amazing. She's such an inspiration to me. She's like the funniest person. I know. You know, like, if you, like, with your siblings, how you have that, like, sort of your own language communication of, like, there's jokes that only she will ever understand, you know? So she is, she and I have been, like, doing, like, some little. video podcast conversations, just like little like YouTube things, like just for fun. Because she lives on the opposite coast. She lives in Manhattan. And I'm out here. And I miss her so much. I'm always trying to get her, you know, persuade her to move to L.A. I'm like, it's 75 and sunny today. And she's like, yeah. But, but yeah, I just, I love her. She's so wise in so many ways that I'm not. And it's like, it's such a gift to have a sister. It's a amazing. So yeah, I got to go with my little sister, Courtney. Babe, that's so nice that you feel that way about your family. Not everybody does. So it's really

special when people are like, I love my parents and my sibling. It's like both. I feel super lucky. They're just like the best people in the world. Like I, my dad taught me to write songs. You know, my mom is like just the kindest person on the planet. Like we're super close. Like almost to the point where I feel kind of bad for my husband sometimes because he loves. them but it's a vibe of like he always like makes the analogy he's like you guys are kind of like a line of elephants where like if you could all like just hold on to each other's tails and he's like it's really great but also i imagine it's probably overwhelming as you know for i don't know it's the plus one we're a lot yeah we're loud we're inappropriate but it's great

Love it. It's great. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Number six, what is your greatest extravagance? Where are you spending that money, honey? Oh, man, I mean, I would, I guess I would probably say like when, when, when, when, we're like, ooh, there's some extra, you know, there's a little extra money to spend this year. Like, it's probably travel, like travel and, and like craft cocktails, like, you know,

which is like, yeah, $25 now. Why don't we hang out more? Same. No. Travel and alcohol. Come on. Seriously. Where else is there?

Guys, yes, for sure. It's, yeah, I feel like I've come a long way from whatever I was probably drinking, like, at 19, back in, in Wilmington. just just trying to figure it out but no yeah like we're we're big we're big into craft cocktail vibes um so yeah i feel like it's like that experiences food alcohol what is your favorite mixed drink oh i love like a dirty martini with blue cheese olives is anyone same yeah it's so hard to find blue cheese stuffed olives sophia's gonna vomit yeah sorry Sorry, sorry, sorry. I know.

It is a bold choice. It is not for everyone. Wait, gin or vodka? Vodka. Yeah, same. Same. Little Belvedere vodka. Yeah.

We have to find a spot that does a good one. But the problem, yeah, a lot of people don't do them right. I mean, I like it when they're so cold that the top, it's like, it's like a layer of ice on top almost. Yes. That's exactly the way. And it's so gross if it's like anything like if it's hot or, well, obviously, gross gross who's serving you hot dirty martini's a dirty martini is my favorite work function drink like we have to go to like things like upfronts yes and events like that and i remember there's a time

where like people would like be handing us really sweet things i don't i don't want that once i discovered like i'm going to be the dirty martini lady at the upfronts or at the tcas or whatever they look at you different oh yeah see that's how i feel about ordering an old fashion whiskey especially in that era like when we were still on our show i'd have like gross old men at bars be like who's that for and i was like me and i love it when you're like i that's what i want get me in old fashion and we'll be friends oh my blue cheese olives oh yeah yo yeah i can't do it i love you all but not for me okay what is your current state of of mind? Okay. I think where I'm at right now is like I would say I would say curious more than

anything. I'm trying to really lean into being curious about like new adventures and stuff at which I'll you know like talk about more at the end with big announcement I'm super excited about but like I've just been since you know with lockdown and stuff I couldn't tour at all. all like rock club was literally the worst possible place to be for everything that was going on and so yeah i really had to like start start kind of force me to get curious about like okay like what else am i going to do and then now obviously like you guys understand like there's the strike and so it's definitely something where i'm trying to lean into some of these other creative avenues that i really like love and enjoy um because it's kind of the only thing you

you can do, you know, is, is like, yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and I'm also trying not to put too much pressure on myself to, like, make one thing or the other, like, to, to, to be like, oh, this has to be, you know, my next job or, like, you know, like, kind of allowing myself to just, like, explore things and prototype things and, like, just enjoy the process of, like, being curious about different ways to be creative. Like, do you guys relate to that right now with all that's going on. Girl, we're spinning all, like, all sorts of plates and then being like, and what else can we do? Like, could I, you know, become a contractor, maybe? Yeah. No shortage of ideas. Yeah. That's for sure. I think it's good. We were sold this bill of goods when we were

younger that, like, you go into a career path and you stay in it until you win the gold watch at retirement. And that's a weird way to live your life. And so this idea that you can morph, Like you can, you can Madonna your own life is exciting. You can be something different every few years. Yeah. It's so true. I also think there is something really interesting not only about realizing you have permission to do anything that interests you, you know, no matter if other people

put it under the umbrella of your career or not. But there's also something. that I'm finding really helpful in this moment. Like I always try to find a silver lining when something intense is going on. And obviously the strike is so intense and hard for everyone in our industry. And it creates that feeling of overwhelm,

especially because we have no idea when it's going to end. And so I've been searching for what the sort of silver lining of this is and the opportunity to rest a little bit to be like, well, we're doing this work. and then all those calls, all those meetings, those pitches, like, that's all going to come off the calendar. And I've been sitting in my backyard and reading books. And I'm like, this is gorgeous.

It's gorgeous. I usually just look at my backyard through the window in my office. And now I'm like, I'm going out there with a cold brew. And I'm like, luxury. She's touching grass. It's so good. Okay, Kate, what are you most valid? you and your friends speaking of curiosity and time to rest and yes i you know i think that like

i think it's that ability to fall back into that like just the ease with which we can like fall back into doing nothing together or laughing together even if it's been like years you know i think that that's one of those things that kind of is different in my life Then my parents, like my mom had grown up in the town that I was born in. And so all of her friends, like it was really cool when I was growing up seeing like, wow, she has such tight-knit friendships and they've lived their whole lives together. That has not been my journey. You know, I left my freshman year of college to take a record deal and get on the road.

And then I started working on this, you know, wonderful show and like had this total adventure that took me all over the place. And it kind of made me feel like an island now and then because I, I was like the only one of my friends who wasn't sort of following this same path. And so there was a little bit of FOMO there, even though it was like I was following my dream. And but it's so like I'm so grateful for like the grace of being able to be like, oh my God, I am so sorry I didn't respond to your text from three weeks ago. I like, you know, it's that kind of thing that I think everybody now probably can relate to in a way because it's like we're all busy. Everyone has so much going on.

Everybody's a lot more kind of mobile. And it's just nice to be able to, like, have that ability to fall back in and laugh about stuff as if, like, no time is past at all. Yeah. That's good. That's awesome. Okay.

Number nine, on what occasion does Kate Vogel lie? Ooh, that's a good one. Oh, man. I, well, let's see. I mean, I try, I try to be, uh, I try not to lie, you know, on most occasions. But there, this one time a couple years back. And this is one of those things. I don't know if you guys have those things where like these memories of something you said or you did where you just want to shout it out of your head and you're like, why am I so awkward? Maybe this is just me. I don't know. It's okay if it is. I was backstage at a friend's show. Um, and I was, I was backstage at a friend's show. Um, and I was, like really jet lagged because I had just gotten back from a tour in Europe and so I was like really out of it but I was like oh I want to support my friends I'm going to go to their show

and one of their other friends just casually asked me if I was wearing hair extensions and I absolutely was wearing hair extensions but however I said no this is all my real hair and then the split second after I said it I was like why don't I just lie about that. But then it was too late to be like, I'm sorry. I just lied. You know, my brain was just behind. Like, and then it turned like, I found out that this girl was like, her dad is like a very

successful person in the entertainment business. And I'm like, this girl knows some hair extensions when she sees them. Like, oh, my gosh. I love a dumb lie. Give me the dumb. It's so funny. Yeah. It would have been great if you'd followed up with.

Just kidding. Exactly. kidding. I feel like I can count on one hand the experiences I've had with people who have said something and they're like, actually, that's a lie. I don't know why I just said that. And then they continue on with the conversation. But there's something like, I respect them so much in that moment for the fact that you just caught yourself saying something. You don't know why you said it. And then you just adjusted and admitted it right away and kept going. I'm like, whoa, that is clean energy. It's so good. I love it. It is. And that's why I look back and I'm like, why couldn't I have been that

girl in that moment. How awkward? Well, because it's awkward. And like, it's so hard to, who has that instinct? It's hard. It's also so weird when your, when your mouth speaks words and you go, why did my brain do that? And in front of a stranger, you're going to be like, I just short-circuited and said something that wasn't true. Like, that's awkward. It's like, for me anyway, like, the immediate feeling of like, what just happened is the reason I can't get over it and be smart enough, to be like, just kidding, ha-ha-ha, because I'm panicking that something's wrong with me. Like, what? Yeah.

Listen, I like the idea of coming back months, months, years later, being like, hey, hey, can we address something right now? I was wearing hair extensions. I was. I don't know why I said that. Hope and pray this girl is a Drama Queen's fan and listens to this podcast because she's like, oh my God, she was. I knew it.

I want that. I want that. Okay. Well, aside from maybe denying what's in your hair, what is one thing you will never do again? Oh, my God, this is such a good segue. Dye my hair because I'm like deathly allergic to hair dye, it turns out. What? Yes.

Oh, my God. You guys, I found this out working on, I don't even know like how much I could, in a makeup trailer somewhere in Will North Carolina. Wait, I feel like I remember this. Yeah. you had like a crazy reaction yeah yes and I never died my hair before and they were like my hair's already really dark but they were like we wanted to be jet black and I was like cool I've never died my hair but like let's go that sounds great I'm all about it and yeah and like it basically was one of those things where the people at urgent care were like here's a bunch

of steroids but next time urgent care you might be like an phallactic with this and you Oh, my God. Never do this again. Yeah. Well, did you find out what the product was and what was in it? Like, could you do a vegan hair dyes if you wanted to? I mean, isn't there options? Aren't there options?

There's, okay, there is something now that's new that I haven't tried yet. But it's basically, I'm allergic to the thing. It's in Hena. It's in like all the natural hair dyes. It's called PPD. It's like this chemical that's the thing that opens up the hair follicle so that it can. Yeah. So it's like.

Oh, boy. Yeah, it's like wild times. But I mean, Hillary, you're my inspiration. You're you are rocking. Rocking it. It is beautiful. I'm going to be right there with you just. I can't wait. Here's what I found is there's a very different group of people that pay you compliments in public when you just like go for it. And it's it's always surprising. There was a old man who was the waiter in a restaurant I took George to the other day. And he like wanted to sit down at the table. And I was like, no one has ever been this friendly with me before. This is fantastic. So it's just a different kind of energy you're putting out. But you don't, baby, you look so fantastic. I just, I want to know who was assigned to take you to urgent care. Because you were a kid in a place where you didn't live and you're having this reaction.

Yeah. I feel like it was carried from hair. Like I remember her being at, or like, I don't think she took me. Like I think I went like a transpo. But I remember because she was like, I've never. seen this before. And I was like, well, that's a honor because you're a professional. That's so scary. It was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. I was lucky. It wasn't like worse. But I was like, okay, that's cool. I guess, you know, I don't have to spend 300 bucks every time I go

get a haircut. They just like trim my hair and then I leave, you know? So you got naturally beautiful hair. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And I am not wearing hair extensions today. I swear to God. okay what is the strangest purchase you've made or almost made the strangest purchase oh i mean i i don't know if it's strange but it's like super inconvenient i had a huge phase at the beginning of my music career where like every time i traveled to a new destination I felt like I had to buy like something for my house because I was also like moving into my first apartment. So I was like, I like went way too hard.

You know, it was like literally the trailer for our gear on our tour bus was also filled with like antiques because I was in like Iowa. And I was like, these antiques stores are way better than the ones in L.A. That's totally what would be on my tour bus. That's so funny. Yes. Yes. See?

so if we ever if we ever toured together joy it will be it will just be the antiques road show an antiques road show yes literally and then you could put all the furniture in the chateau that we're going to go fund me yes guys this is this is shaping up nicely i'm ready so ready for it it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is nicole garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to

keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sageburn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts number 12 who are your favorite writers my favorite Writer writers. Oh, my goodness. I, I mean, like, as a musician, I mean, I got to, you know, this is like pretty obvious, but I got to go like Lennon and McCartney for sure. Like, you can't, you know, deny. I had, I had an independent study my freshman year of college where my professor, my, my textbook was just the Beatles songbook. And he was like, just study what these guys do. Like, they're. their geniuses you know and uh and so yeah like i think there's such a there's such kind of for me like art is about like humans telling other humans what it means to be human you know and that i feel like they just like nailed that so simply so beautifully um but like writers writers i mean i love um have you guys ever read stephen pressfield the war of art no

it's a great it's incredible it's so good it's like I love his writing like how he is it fiction or nonfiction nonfiction it's like um basically it's kind of about like how to get out of your own way as a creative which I I am in my own way like constantly when I'm creating and it is one of those books that I feel like I want to read like once a quarter because it's short but it's so good Like, he gets to the heart of it. Like, is that like, so if you said you've read it? Yeah. Yeah.

It's really good. It's beautiful. It's really inspiring. And I love that, you know, he was inspired by reading, Wow, Zhu, the art of war. The art of war. It was like, imagine, like, this notion that he kind of couldn't get over the idea of, well, making art is a war in and of itself.

and like how do you do that in your in your own being like how do you oh i don't know it's really really inspiring yeah it's it's a good one it's a it's one for the books for sure like it's just a it's an MVP for me mm-hmm i love that okay 13 a little bit of a pivot what is your greatest regret oh getting deep guys woof yeah we're going dark kate it's okay I'm like, I'm an artist, I'm a songwriter. Like, yeah, honey. Like, well, I mean, there's definitely some regrettable outfits from like the time. Like, 2007, 2008 outfits of for sure make the list.

We were all there. They're so bad. It was like, cool, I guess that's what everyone was wearing, you know? Every time I put leggings on my five-year-old so that she can wear a skirt, I'm like, what were we doing? why did we this is what five-year-olds do yeah oh yeah we absolutely did i yeah that i mean it's i'm glad to know i'm not alone that like everybody else feels that way but oh yeah i feel like i mean on a more like serious note as far as regrets go like i would just say and i'm curious if if you guys feel this way to i think every every woman in you know in entertainment but

just in general probably feels this way to some degree like I wish I had trusted myself more like just cultivated a little bit more of instead of thinking that like a bunch of dudes in positions of power like knew better than me what was right for me whether it was like career wise or yes you know like do you guys be that way yeah absolutely every day absolutely and we were talking about this the last time we the three of us gathered together this idea that you you have to go through all these things to become the person that you are and it's really interesting to to hold I think two things true right that you regret that you got pushed around or didn't trust your gut and that the things you went through made you exactly who you are because when you hit the

moment where you say it's it's it's it's it's me and what i know that i trust like it's a priceless place to arrive at but yeah oh like it's hard to it's hard to hold those two things true simultaneously i think you're so right you're so right it is it's both of those at once and you wouldn't be where you are now if it wasn't for all those experiences and stuff but and i do think it's one of those things unfortunately like i think i'm learning that learning to trust yourself is something you can't just like put somebody through a crash course and teach them in school or whatever like you have to it's like it's living life you know it's the journey yeah but your experience in the music industry you know when we're talking about people telling us

what to do from the TV side of things like there is a department that tells us what to wear there is a department that tells us how to do our hair and makeup there is a department that tells us what to say. There's a department that tells us where to stand. In the music industry, who were the voices that were influencing the decisions you were making? Great question. Yeah, it's, it's less like, I feel like it's less sort of obvious than in TV because it is a lot more and Joy, I don't know if you feel this way, like it's a lot more fluid. It's kind of, it's a lot less structured, you know, the music business. But I mean, there were guys in my band who I had hired who like would tell me, I remember this guy that I'd hired literally like said to me,

oh, well, you know, I think like, you know, Gibson was going to give me a free guitar because I was playing, you know, all these songs on the show and TV and, you know, on the road and stuff. And he was like, well, you're not, you know, really, I don't know if you're really a good enough guitar player for like this kind of guitar. So maybe you want to get the, like, you know, low-end version, you know, like stuff like that. Yes. And I'm like, why didn't we just fire this guy on the spot? Like, what a clown, you know? But instead, I'm like, this kid, you know, from Ohio little, like, oh, no.

And I'm like, oh, okay, I guess, I guess you're right. Maybe I should just, you know, so it's stuff like that. But it's people in people at the label, people, songwriters and producers. and producers. And by the way, I've also I've been lucky to work with so many amazing you know, guys and girls, but, you know, men, like, who are incredible who, like, empowered me and prop me up and really helped me

kind of find my voice. But there were definitely a share of people, you know, who thought they should weigh in on stuff where you're like, maybe not. Yeah. No. No. The scales are full here. We don't want your weight. Yeah. I also think it's really interesting because we've talked a lot about this, like the great male friendships in our life versus the ones who we'd love to like, you know, shoot into the atmosphere

in a space canon. And I think there's really something too when you have healthy relationships and you see the dynamics of those, you can spot what's not healthy. And in communities, you know, particularly in music, film, TV, that are so male-dominated. You see the way that guy would never talk to any of the men in the room the way he talked to you, but he'll talk to you that way. And you see how the dynamics are different. It's like, you know, even with the World Cup, everybody talking about what happened to Jenny Hermoso.

And it's like, the head of the Spanish Soccer Federation never would have grabbed a male soccer player by the face and tried to open mouth kiss him like it just wouldn't have happened and and so it's a really it's an interesting thing to learn how to navigate the reality of the dynamics we experience and take them seriously and also not be like irritated all the time you because you have to figure out how to enjoy your life and you're also supposed to be charming and you can't be negative and it's like like we have to juggle all this shit that they just don't have to to juggle and it's wild it's wild yeah it's absolutely absolutely wild like yeah i but it's definitely yeah it's like inspiring to see how other women navigate it and because yeah like you said it's like

you can't let them you know you can't just sort of say like okay well i guess i'm just you know gonna resign myself to whatever now because this is the reality it's like no we have to work to change that and you know it's a it's a lot of work but it's yeah it's worth it's just it's how would you practically have done that differently um in a way that felt like you were being honoring to yourself but not I guess well I don't know I mean what's the what's the way to be able to handle situations like that when you feel young and intimidated and you want to do things the right way but you also want to honor yourself and your own art but you also want to take advice. I mean, that's such a tough balance to strike. How do you feel like you would have done it

differently? It's such a good question because you're right. Like you don't want to overcorrect and then be like, I'm the boss here. You know, I know what's best because I was really green like in a lot of ways. It was like some of my first tours and you're so, like I was so young. There was a lot to learn from other people. But I think it would have been, I think, like, have. How? I wish I would have sort of been able to take a step back and ask myself, like, who am I taking advice from? And, you know, do I want to be, you know, I think there's that some sort of quote that has language about like, don't take advice from people who, you know, whose life you don't want or who you don't want just sort of, yeah, like, or you don't respect or whatever.

And so I think I just wish I would have sort of been less afraid to take up space and sort of claim my seat at the table as like, you know, at the end of the day, I was like, it is my name on the side of this bus. And I did, you know, work really hard and, and, you know, drive around, you know, in my parents minivan to play a billion shows in high school and stuff to get to this point. And so I think it would have just, it would have been cool to sort of, um, I wish I would have had have. just understood that I had the authority to sort of make certain decisions and um but I think that there is a real people pleasing tendency especially like being from the Midwest there's such a sort of like self deprecating people pleasing you know um culture around like well I'm just here for whatever like I'm okay with anything what do you guys want to do like my husband jokes are like trying to decide what to order for dinner hanging out with our family is like a nightmare because we're all like I'm cool with whatever you know whatever you want what do you want what do you want exactly exactly so but but you're right joy it's a hard needle to thread like because you want to go

in with a humility that really is open to absorbing the you know advice and experience of other people who do know better than you, but also like a trust in yourself, just knowing like, I'm okay right where I am, even if I'm not, like, just because you're not the best yet doesn't mean you don't belong. You know, that was like the thing I wish I would have sort of been hip to, you know, that took a while to cultivate. Yeah. Well, the actual question I was supposed to ask you what's, is what's something you really dislike? It sounds like it's bad. Yeah. I mean, Definitely, for sure, like immature dudes thinking they know and telling you how it is is definitely at the top of the list. So annoying.

You know, I love a good, I love a good just question back. Like, could you clarify that? What do you mean by that? I was going to say, I found I got taught by an older chick. She's like, just ask why, right? Because if someone tells you something condescending, like, you shouldn't be playing that guitar, right? they're throwing down a gauntlet. And when you say, why?

You're not being a bitch. You're not really challenging it. You're just curious. Tell me more about that. And nine times out of ten, people will walk it back. They'll be like, you know what? Never mind. Ignore me.

You do you. But if they have a legitimate reason why, that's when they elaborate. And so sometimes just asking people why is a great tool. It's a good tool. That just, why such a good yeah just like just just just kind of yeah it puts them on the spot but not in a way that's like rude or or not combative yeah not combative at all but that it goes back to the curiosity that you're talking about if you're just curious like huh i'm and it also you know that

there's the humility in that too of what you were saying that you want to be open to maybe i'm not seeing everything that i don't see all sides of the picture so i'm interested why So, yeah, if they have a good reason, it would be nice to hear it anyway. And if they don't, then they'll probably back off. Kick rocks. Good. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep tradition. alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we're going to crawl out of darkness now. We're getting out. Number 15 is what or who is the greatest love of your life. Aw, I love that. Yes, definitely crawling out of darkness. I mean, my husband, Brett, and my dog coming in at a close second, you know, my dog is, I met him, I think I met him, like, right towards the tail end of, you know, when I was living in Wilmington and stuff. And so I know he's, like, he was in Paris last time we were there, Joy. And so y'all have met. And I think, like, I can't remember a different time. It's been so long. We've been together almost 15 years. How did you guys meet? We met through, he runs a

nonprofit and we met through that because I, we had a mutual friend who was working with him on the nonprofit and he was my friend from music, who's a musician, and he was Brett's friend from lacrosse, because at the time Brett was playing professional lacrosse, which honestly I didn't even know existed because I'm like the least, the least sporty. athletic person that ever lived. I wish I was. But yeah, so that that was how we met. And he came to one of my shows and just like, he was so different than any other guy that I had ever dated. Like, I'd always dated kind of like introspective, like artsy types and like good people. But, but like, I don't know if you guys ever experienced this, but I had a boyfriend for part of

the time that I was working, you know, in TV who was like really jealous about the fact that, you know, you have like a TV boyfriend and that you're like this is someone else is on TV, which is so when it's your job, like, it's so silly because you're like, oh, my God, how do I explain to you that this is work? But, but, and I get it. Like, it's, I'm sure for some people who aren't working in that space, it's not ideal. But my husband was just like, he was so just down to hang. He's very much like, he's sure of himself. He always like lifted me up, supported my dreams and yeah like just so easy you know and such a relief to just be like oh oh that's a great way to describe your my partner's a relief yeah it's nice that's so nice yeah it's a gift for sure

to have that like it is it is it's a relief it's like a breath of fresh air like woo thank god oh i love that okay that sort of segues beautifully into the next question which is when and where were happiest. Ooh. Maybe it has to do with, with more of this. Yeah. Like, gosh,

I mean, I think I have to say, like, I mean, I feel like I'm probably the happiest I've ever been now in, you know, in the season I'm in.

Like, we, yeah, like we got a dog finally during lockdown and stuff because we weren't traveling as much. And we're, we're just like those

dog parents who don't have kid yet who are just like have meat snacks by our nightstand and everything she wants she is but yeah like my whole family was out here in LA for the holidays and it was like one of those beautiful LA sunsets and we all went down to the beach and brought our dog and I was like this is

it man this is where it's at like it doesn't get better you know and yeah so I feel I feel super super grateful to be able to say that like just yeah cool which talent would you most like to have oh my gosh i feel like i would probably pick something that's super opposite of like i got all the artsy things and and none of the um you know like practical ones yeah like the like no one is going to want to pick me for their team for whatever the game it is not even close to being my forte like i would probably have to say something like surfing because there's absolutely no circumstance

under which that is something that that's actually probably something i should have said for like something you'll never do again because uh brett surfs a little bit and you know we had some friends i was sunglasses for Oakley like long time ago and a bunch of like the friends who were a part of that like hang were these women who are professional surfers and they were like the coolest people like so much cooler than I could ever hope to be and you know I remember being like like having a couple drinks and saying to bro like do you wish that I was cool like them and a prevent you know you wish that I was an athlete and he's like what are you like oh honey you know how that i don't know i i know exactly what you're talking about absolutely

i feel that way about motorcycle chicks oh yeah i'm like oh they look cool i'm not cool babe do you want me to be cool no the answer's no just no oh right but that's always a thought that you know but then he's like okay do you want me to be like you know uh an amazing singer our song ran and I'm like oh of course not so of course not I'm like absolutely not only one person in this relationship is telling the story of the fights through song and it's going to be me okay that's perfect obsessed I like that um okay if you could change one thing about yourself what would it be oh man I it's got to be related to like my perfectionism um you know totally way too hard on myself like so so it's something that I feel like I'm getting better at

like actually I like did a big intensive um French learning journey this like these past five years but really just this past year I like went crazy and did this sprint um to to get this diploma it's like a nerdy a language nerd thing but it's like a diploma of proficiency in the language and it was such a good lesson for me in helping to temper my perfectionism because like because it's literally impossible to be perfect at learning a second language like you sound like an idiot for like a long time and you'll never be perfect at it right because you can't ever substitute growing up as something being like your mother tongue or whatever so that has helped me chip away at it

but it is still just like I used to cry and when I was a kid and I would color outside of the lines and coloring books like such a high friend. Yeah. So that I wish I could just be more like give myself more space to

be bad at something or to mess up or to make a mistake or to lie about wearing hair extensions, you know? Yeah. I feel that in my bones. In my bones. As an artist, right? Like, why is that so common for so many of us? Okay, well, we're going to go positive.

And the next question is, what do you consider to be your greatest achievement? Ooh, greatest achievement, man. Well, and it's so funny because it's so hard for me to even, like, say that I achieve something, like, you know, because I'm so. Because you're a perfectionist. And I'm so self-deprecating. Like my friends call me self-deprecate like K-A-T-E because they're like, you really need to cool it on the like, but I think, you know, I would have to say like probably just being able to get out of my own way enough to share the art that like that I wanted

to share, you know, and to sort of navigate through some of the stuff. that was a real challenge in order to get to a place where I was able to, you know, say what I wanted to say artistically and share it with people who hopefully, you know, were able to, like, find it inspiring or whatever. Like, I really, it's the most meaningful thing in the world to me when, like, I hear from someone that, like, my song helped them or, you know, that it inspired them or something like, that is something I always wanted, I was wanted to be on the other side of that when I was, a kid, you know, listening to music that helped me, like, navigate the stuff I was going through my life. I was like, man, if I could just be the person that someone says that to someday, you know,

if somebody in person. And so that is probably, yeah, I would probably say that feels like my greatest achievement. Like, it really feels good to feel like you contributed something even in a very, very small way, you know, to helping somebody better day. Your Me Too song, like that was such a shit time because every day you'd wake up and be like what am i going to see about myself in the media and it was i was pregnant and like hormonal anyway and it was such an awful time and you put out that me too song that was so angry and it felt so good and i was just so proud of you but also like relieved that someone else was saying the words that i didn't necessarily have the ability to articulate that was like that was perfect

perfect timing and the perfect song. Thank you. That is that is so meaningful in so many ways. I mean, I, you know, it was a, it was a wild time. Like, all of us, it was like, it, you know, was really, and it was so like there was such an onslaught of just, yeah, of like panicking of like, what's going to happen and who's going to say what and who's going to be mad at me and, you know, all this stuff. But that's always been my, that's always been the way I've been able to be the most honest. is writing songs because I'm like a, you know, like a socially awkward introvert who, you know, and so, but that is, that is so meaningful. So thank you so much for saying that. That was, that was definitely, that was probably one of the most honest songs I've written to date. That was, there was no, no BS there. Yeah. That's the truth. Felt you. After all of your achievements, okay, you die and you get to come back. as a person or a thing what do you what is it going to be a person or a thing oh my god no like i feel like i should have some answer that's like you know i don't know no there's no pressure

no expectation who made a massive difference in the world you know um but this is like probably lame but i don't know if you guys are fans of nate jeremiah for the biggest am just like I just I would like to come back as them as a couple as a family honestly like their children are beautiful all of it all of it okay yes thank you the way they mood board oh the way poppy picks out flooring I don't know what we're talking about you guys I live in a cave Nate Burgess and Jeremiah Brent who are two of the greatest interior designers that are married to each other all right y'all are talking about like y'all are a first name basis these two. And I'm like, Nate, who did I? Nate Burke. Okay. I understand what's happening now. Kate, I can't wait for us to get a chateau. I'm, oh, my God, you guys. You need to have them come do it. I thought you two are on a first name basis. No, we're definitely not. We are definitely not. I don't know why I just said it like that, but, but maybe we will be on it, maybe someday I'm manifesting it, right? Yeah. And when they ask you about your extensions, you'll be honest. I will. Those guys will not.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford, Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you have something in your life that is just so easy that you know it's where you belong? I mean, I think this is a big no-due. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, writing, writing music and singing for sure is, is the top of the,

it's so just like, I don't know, I always was. like people wouldn't know it because I've really like grown a lot from just forcing myself to be on stage in front of a bunch of people for the best like 15 20 years of my life but I was like a very shy kid like no one would have thought like oh Kate definitely wants to be the center of attention you know like definitely not not my vibe at all but something about like when I'm in the middle of singing a song on stage like I can do that, you know, like I can totally do that. I can sing in front of people. I can, I can write a song, you know, and I can say so much more writing a song than I can, you know, sometimes just in an honest conversation or I'm trying to get better at that. But yeah, I mean, I guess that is a little bit of a no, duh, but it, yeah, it just feels like, you know, where where I can do my thing without feeling like, you know, the noise of the world doesn't really like interfere or something. Well, does this seem like a natural place for you to, I don't know, make an announcement?

Oh, my gosh. Yes, it does. Actually, it feels perfect. And I'm really excited that this is just, it's really, really fun to be announcing this on I just kind of like had this thought last minute this week because the timing is crazy. So basically I, oh my God, I'm like nervous. It's like, well, so, okay, so we've been working on. on this for three years. And so it feels like so crazy to be announcing it to the world. But I felt like the fans of our show, who we won't name, but the Drama Queen's fans are the best fans in the

best fans in the world. The best fans in the entire world. Amazing, most supportive crew. And so I felt like they all deserve to be the first to know. So I have a new band with Mike Grubbs from Wakey Wakey from our show. And Grubbs and I have been working on this new band for three years. And we are finally ready to start sharing this music with everybody. The band is called Your Future Ghost. And it's so much fun. It's like it's like the dirty indie rock album. we've always wanted to make. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so red. Like, I really want to be back in that warehouse that we used to hang out in all the time, which shall not be named in this. But I just want us to be back there. Yeah.

You're playing together. When do we get music, Kate? I, okay, so I'm going to send you guys, I think I maybe did. I'm going to send you a secret link to hear some of it just because I'm so excited for my friends to hear this um but i think we are like very close to being ready to share music to the point where like when this airs i'm not sure when it's but like we might even have a pre-save for a single um but we are like we have a little sign up on our website for to be the first to know when everything drops just your future ghost.com and uh yeah our like our insta is just your future ghost i'm following that right now yeah i'm I'm so excited, you guys. Thank you so much for letting me share this with these amazing listeners, these wonderful fans first, because I've been like bursting at the seams every time we've been, you know, making music. Every time we write a new song, we're like, oh my God, I can't wait to tell everybody. And yeah, and we're, and we're ready to go. It's, it's really fun. It's like fun music in a way that I, I don't know. I felt like we both just like,

have permission to be like and to say and to like make the type of music that you know we really that neither of us really had figured out how to do like on our own and so I can't wait for you so exciting I just want to say right now I just followed you on Instagram there you guys are only following one person yep and you have three followers right now you're about to have four and five followers right now we're going for it and I feel real snobby that we have gotten in at the jump here. I wouldn't want to anyway.

I think the only person we're following is Popeye's chicken because there was like, stop. It is Popeye's chicken. That is true. That is a good sandwich, you know, I got to say.

I love that. You got five followers now. Thank you for sharing that with us. I mean, when you texted us that you wanted to share it on the show, we all were pumped. Oh, you guys are,

you know? It's fun that we get to all celebrate each other this many years out from working together. you know we always want to make a big deal out of each other's accomplishments it is it's so well it means so much to me and and i and i know grubs feels the same way like that you know the the connection and we you know we ran in some of the same circles but we connected through you know that that whole community and this this like it really is special how just supportive and you know

like it's it's such a wonderful group of people and I feel like it's just I feel like even more connected to everybody and excited about you know then then when we were all working together because there was like there was some crazy stuff going on and it just feels so it's it's really gratifying and it's so cool to be able to you know share all of these things together and and celebrate all of you like Hillary I can't wait to read your new book joy your strawberry song is like such a bop I'm just jamming like I love I love seeing all the projects that you guys are doing too and it's just like yeah it's it's the best it's the best like group of cheerleaders for each other which is really like what the world needs more of you know we have two quick questions left for you should we throw

them out before before we wrap up yeah we can do them like rapid fire okay question 22 I mean I really do feel like we just peaked and I'm thrilled about it. And I know we've asked you extra questions. So I'm sorry, but we still will get through this list. Question 22 is, I think we know the answer. Where would you most like to live? Oh, yeah. The Salvo. It's like somewhere in Providence. Hello. The chateau. Our chateau. Yes. And then what is your most treasured possession? Oh, treasure possession. My most treasure possession. When I got married, my mom made me a garter out of pieces of her wedding dress, which was like, that's amazing, an amazing, beautiful heirloom. Yes, I love it.

Yeah, like, that's the first thing that comes to mind. So cool. Good. That's an amazing answer. Your family sounds so nice, Kate. They are. They're the best. They're amazing. I love them so much. Yeah, I don't deserve them. My God, they're such as we do. We don't deserve you. You're so great. Thank you so much for joining us and spending time and choosing us to be your outlet to make your big announcement. Yeah. We love you. We miss you.

I think about it. It's like you're talking about how much you love your family. And I'm like, man, we're so lucky that outside of like our, our, you know, actual family circles, we've built this big friend family and what's come of it and your new project coming out of it and us all getting to be together. Like, oh my God, this is so cool. It is. It's so incredibly cool, you guys. I can't tell you how much I, like how much I was excited. about this and how fun it is to chat with all of you and see you all. And like just thank you so much

for having me on. This is truly like, this is so much fun. Yay. All right, Java Queens. Make sure that you're following your future ghost. Go pre-save anything you can pre-save at the moment. And then we all want T-shirts. Like we're merch. You guys will be getting. We're merch hoars. We just love it. Getting all the swag and all the, yes, for sure. We will not leave you guys alone about it. We are, we're so excited we'll be sending you all the all the free your future ghost uh all the yeah yes we can't wait awesome all right you guys there's been another episode of 23 questions with your drama queens we'll see you next week hey thanks for listening don't forget to leave us a review you can also follow us on instagram at drama queens o t hush or email us at drama queens at iHeartradio dot com see you next time

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