Drama Queens - 23 Questions with Stephen Colletti

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

We know Chase Adams, but what do we really know about the man who played him? Where he is most comfortable, most uncomfortable, the weirdest thing he keeps next to his bed, lying, biggest regrets and so much more. It’s the Stephen Colletti you’ve never known!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a treat for you today. I feel like we've been getting really good feedback from this 23 questions situation. People dig the deep dive. They really do. And it is actually really interesting because we're on strike and we shan't discuss the show that we shan't discuss. People are getting to talk about things and like be with us in ways that are so much more personal that aren't just. Yeah, well, that scene was really interesting because we were walking through the blah, blah.

It's like our fans are getting to know our humans in the way we know them. Dude, I'm learning things. Oh, same. There's some things where I'm like, wait a second, we've all known each other for 20 years and I never knew this about you. How did I not know this? What are you talking about? We've known this boy, like, forever since he was a baby. Practical teenager.

Wait, he wasn't a teenager when we met him. He was like, 20, 21? He wasn't, but he has perpetual baby face. Antoine. So he really, he could play a teenager for a long, long time. Because he's so handsome. He's getting a little bit of pepper in that handsome hair now. Ladies, we have to bring in the lovely Stephen Coletti. Stephen, we're talking about you. We do sound like the witches and hocus pocus. We are, we are.

Join us, Stephen. There he is. What's up you guys? You've been raving about how young you look, you bastard. Just always young and fresh. I was just picking white hairs out of my beard before this. Don't. They could give me the extra 15 minutes.

No, leave them there. Where are you right now? I'm up in my little nook office here in my house. You are? You're like a man witch. You're in an attic. I am in an addict. This actually, this is an old, like, ranch hands.

hands quarters and down below was where the stables where the horses were. And so it's very like low ceilings and as you could see all the like pictures and stuff are super old. This house is like 100 years old, but I love it. Oh my God. How cool. Is there a ghost? Steven. You know when I first moved in, I was expecting one, but we haven't seen a ghost just yet. Or we haven't experienced one. Yeah, not just seen, but just any sort of interaction, unfortunately, which I would be all about it. I'd be like let's have a little like let's have a spooky vibe i did i did have one just recently in france though i was in i was staying in an apartment and in the middle of the night there are all sorts of weird noises and then this window just goes true that i had shut and locked it i was like

i was like there we go there's a little ghost experience oh my god it means the ghosts are happy you're in that house you're welcome there they're saying hello i like that i'll take that i appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We were just talking about all of our wild Wilmington hauntings, so this feels very appropriate. Oh, well, like, so, so I never experienced Hillary, your Halloween parties, but I heard that you had some pretty killer just like barn burners, correct? Yeah, yeah. I either do nothing or I go real hard. I don't know, like a medium. And so I've taken all this time off between those Wilmington parties and now And now I'm throwing the haunted house, or I guess when this airs, I will have already thrown the haunted house for the middle school.

So I'm trying not to go full like Wilmington crazy on 13-year-old. So wouldn't you have, did you have a fortune teller that would freak people out? What was the story that I heard? I'm remembering something like this. We had someone reading palms that kept giving everyone really depressing fortunes. Like she would tell all the girls like your boyfriend's cheating on you. And, like, you guys are going to break up. Everybody left in tears.

It was hilarious. That's great. That's great. I love that. Well, so we're not going to ask you about your future today, Stephen. We're going to ask you about your past and all your deepest feelings. Joy's going to join us in just a minute. But, yeah, this 23 questions thing while we're on strike is a great opportunity to get to know the people we love better.

As opposed to talking about storyline, we're just going to talk about you to do. Day. Everything about you. No pressure. So sadly, you never got to have a rager for Halloween at Hillary's with us, but there was another tradition of hers that like long surpassed even the Halloween parties. She had this book in her house and in it was the Proust questionnaire. And, you know, they do it in like the back of vanity fair with people, whatever. And when we were trying to figure out how we could hang out with all of our favorite friends and not talk about the job we're not allowed to talk about. This felt like a very cool way to do it. So we're going to ask you 23 questions. And are you ready? In the hot seat. Yeah. In the hot seat, bro. Are you nervous?

I sure hope so. I'm good. You know, I had a couple cups to coffee this morning. So there was a, there was a jitter early on when we were, when we were first about to jump on, but now we've, we've settled in. So we're good. We're okay. But I know I'm going to get nervous momentarily. Steven. Darling. Hello there. Yes. Fire away. What is your idea of perfect happiness? This is the first question. Jumping right in. Fuzzy. We'll go dark later. Don't worry. Just yeah. Just slide. Okay. Right on in with this. I think, oh man, I could go, I could go food.

and it would be my mom's bolognese would be an idea of perfect happiness also getting buried in the sand by my nieces on a beach. That is a day well spent and watching them laugh at me as I suffer. How old are they?

So I have three nieces. They are, let's see here. We got like eight, six, and four. And then I have a death as well. Those are the ages where they still think adults are like gods, you know? Wow. It's incredible how much, how much they absorb and how much they remember.

So, you know, it took me with the first two, like a couple jokes or things that I would play around with. I was like, oh, no, no, no. Like this could be a, I could be teaching them a bad lesson or this could, they could be breaking too much of a rule with mom and dad that I am influencing them on. So I had to kind of be like, all right, we got to be very careful with what we do and what we say. And their ability to retain, like, if you promise something, you better, you better come through on that because they're going to remember that until the end of time. That was, that was

something that really shocked me. So they are, yeah, they are my, my favorite humans on this planet. Oh, baby, that's such like a swoon worthy answer. Like, imagine being on the beach and seeing Stephen Coletti with three little girls on, like, playing with him. It's like a calendar, Stephen. Yeah. I'll provide a photo. Yeah. What do you guys want to let people know that I'm on? You could just put this one, which is my whole body buried in the sand and just my head sticking out with one of my needs.

It's your new headshot. Yeah, that's exactly. All right. Our next question for you is, what is your greatest fear? Yeah. So I feel like there's a couple ways you can go with this because, you know, you could talk about like a way you fear of death. But I don't fear death necessarily, but like maybe dying a certain way. But I, it's not, I don't want to go, it's not really that.

I think more it's, it's, it sounds really cheesy, but it's, it's not being able to provide for my family. No, that's very real. Something that has haunted me, I feel like, not so much now, but in my 20s, especially embarking on the entertainment industry where the lack of security is, is, you know, very, very present. but you know thankfully over years wild look we understand as we've all been on strike for a couple months now

you could not work another day in this business beginning tomorrow but you I have learned along the way that there's you know there's security and kind of the people you surround yourself and the people that you meet along the way

and the jobs that you've done and then you know being able to go back and and work with people again so I have that's kind of settled with me but it's still I don't have a family yet so I'm still like you know, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're doing okay. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a very real. I mean, it's exactly why we're on strike. Exactly. People used to be able to provide for their families. And now you have to live with that

anxiety. A hundred percent. Yeah. The studios have gotten away with, uh, you know, the, they're, the, the contracts and the streaming and all that for far too long and have not made it sustainable for a lot of people. So I, it's is, you know, while brutal right now, it's, it's, it's, it's a necessary evil. Yeah. Yeah, it's an important fight. Yeah. Okay, third question. If you could be the best, if you could be the best in the world at something, what would it be?

Oh, boy. Would be the best surfer. Daniel said something about like underwater diving or some weird. Yeah, she did. Free diving, yeah. You're a Laguna Beach boy. What do you get for us, Stephen? Oh, man.

You turn real red when I asked you that question. I want to know what the answer is that you aren't going to give to the internet when we're the best in the world out. You know, because I don't like, I'm like, I don't know what my answer would be for this one. But we're all leaning in. Look at all of us. I am. Oh, my gosh.

If I could be the best at something, man, I honestly, I wish I had like a job. juicy answer for you guys. But honestly, I think of just our profession and I think of storytelling. I feel like we all were waiting for you to say something perverted, Stephen. Look at everybody's face right now. Every girl is like blushing. I'm not exactly sure why that you guys are thinking that that's where I'm going. But no, honestly, I feel like sometimes I struggle with, there's a lot that goes on up here. And I think the way I am able to express that is, has always been a personal struggle. So I think being able to,

with, with, you know, precision and conciseness, be able to tell stories and dictate truly, like, I think what's on my mind. Because I get moving really, really quickly. So honestly, it kind of, in a simple way, it would be storytelling. You know, I wish I was the best in the world. I wish I was freaking Christopher Nolan for crying out loud.

Like, I wish I could, that would be, I would be very happy in that way. So we're going to keep it there. Sorry to disappoint. I'm not disappointed. I'm proud of you for being so mature while I sit here in immaturity. Well, the next question gives you a second shot, Hill. Yeah, listen, I get to ask a very immature question right now because question number four is what's the weirdest item you keep by your bed?

Well, I have a remote control that, that, you know, you can choose how soft or hard you want your bed to be. So that is, that is a weird item I'm thinking of other than that. That's a cool feature. How soft or hard do you keep your bed, Stephen? Out of curiosity. It's pretty firm. It's pretty firm. we could go up to 100 and we got to keep it you know 90 to 100 sometimes it deflates you know and it gets down

and all of a sudden we're sitting at like a 60 or 70 we're like you know what we got we got to go a little firmer so so but I I keep my room's pretty tidy there's not a there's not a whole lot of stuff going on in my um you know as in my bedroom as far as like Chatskis or any sort of like It's a focused environment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess so. Yeah. Okay, so that's what, yeah.

We'll keep that a firmness adjuster. Oh, boy. Nice. If you were to ask me when I was 18 years old, I feel like I would have a few more. Totally different answer. Well, don't blame us. We didn't write these.

Okay, next one. which living person do you most admire? I would say my older brother and my older sister. I'm going to go both of them for very different reasons. But I look up to my brother and sister quite a bit. And they've kept me on a good path my whole life. So, you know, my brother has been somebody who is, you know, he's gone about life in a very strategic way and the right way as far as, you know,

he's gone to college. He's climbed the corporate ladder. He's a successful man now and he makes very smart calculated decisions, not too much risk, right? And I admire that because I get, you know, I'm a free spirit and I'm running around with my head cut off. So he kind of, he would center me. And then my sister is just somebody who has tackled so much in life. I mean, she's got four kids. She runs marathons. Like she's run like 50 plus marathons. She just ran a ultra marathon two weeks ago. which is 100 miles, and she ran it in 16 hours, and she got first place. I'm just thinking about the biology of this. I've given birth twice, and I know what happens to a bladder.

And running after four children seems like not fun. She's a machine. She's an absolute machine who is not real. So, yeah, and so she does that with her four children. She also has a full-time job as well. And she, like, you just, she's somebody if, like, you want something done, you give it to her. It's like, you know, when you, it's like saying, if you want something done, ask a busy person, right? And she is one that, like, no matter, she's the busiest person I know, but she's the quickest to respond to me was something that I might need, which is incredible.

Wow. That's so nice. What do you think when you went into entertainment? Oh, yeah, they were, they were like, well, it's, so my parents wanted two kids, and they got three. And boy, did I make them pay? Oh, honey, they wanted you. Third child for Christmas sake. Oh, yeah, it's okay now.

But do you know this is funny? I'll tell you guys this. I don't know why. And I'm actually, they never really have an answer for me. But at like 13 years old, my parents sat me down. And they're like, you know, you were like, we weren't going to have you. And I, I, great question. I remember sitting there going like,

Why am I being told this? It's like, hey, like, you know, stay in state for tuition. Don't you dare fuck up. Definitely don't like going to the internet. You know what I mean? Don't go into entertainment, right. Were you sort of like misfit and they felt like they needed to instill in you a gratitude for your life and circumstance? That's so dark.

It is, but I don't, you know, parents are grasping at straws all the time. Yeah, yeah, correct. I feel like after my high school years, I could see that. But this was pre-high school. And I just got into good trouble. You know, I, like, might have, like, ventured off our, you know, too far into the neighborhood and stuff like that. But I wasn't, I wasn't, you know, I think I took a, I stole a keychain one time from the

blockbuster when I was like six years old. But that was like, so that was, that's it. You know, I wasn't doing too much. But they just felt the need to tell me that. And I'm still trying to get to the bottom of exactly why. But I think it's absolutely hilarious. I feel like you need to make that phone call and then call us. back and let us know with the answer.

Yeah. You show them, baby. You show them. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, with this precious life of yours, question six,

what is your greatest extravagance? Oh, I spend so much money on golf. It's ridiculous. I'm a golfing nerd over here. You can get, yeah, you can spend a lot of money on, you know, the tools of the trade, if you will. But it's also expensive to play it. It can be. But it's what, you know, my dad and my brother, it's what we do together.

So we enjoy it. And it's one of those things where, yeah, at the end of the year, I'm never looking at that number of what we spent. But it's okay. It's like, this is what makes me happy. Although, it makes me happy, but at the same time, it brings out the fucking worst in me. If you see, like, whenever I'm having a really bad round of golf and, you know, clubs are being thrown. You throw clubs? I'm calling myself names.

You know, it's, it's, it brings out, brings out the worst in me. You're hard on yourself. Do you participate in golf fashion, Stephen? Like, are we going pastels? What are we doing? So, you know, it's funny, in the show that we shall not name right now, there was, there was a some, you know, golf that was had in that. And I remember talking to the, you know, costume designer saying, let's not make it so

golfy. Like, let's see, like, hipster. Yeah. Hipster meets golfer. You want to be like a swaggy golfer. Because I used to think that, yeah, all the golf attire was, was so lame. It was fucking terrible. It was ugly and, you know,

over the years it's now it's I think it's there's it's it's broad in you know it's it's um horizons a little bit and so there's more style is welcomed but you are seeing and my girlfriend brought this up to me that there are like golf style is it's kind of been a trend in the last year and I was like okay all right I guess so but you know yeah so it's it's have you ever played against grace Holcomb who played baby Jenny on the show she like plays for her college team she's like a nationally great golfer. Yeah. I got that. No, I did not know that. Yeah. Our baby Jenny grew up to be like

this crazy golfer. She is so good. We might have to have a competition in Wellington. I'm honestly a little bit bummed that in the years we spent living there, because it's like one of the main things to do in Wilmington, that I never learned to golf. Because now I'm like, that's where all the deals get made, man. And people are driving around on golf carts and like drinking margarita. and plotting business. That sounds like a dream day to me.

But I feel like it would be hard to learn at this point. Yeah. I feel like you could probably accomplish a lot of the same stuff at poker, too. That's more of your speed. I don't like poker. I'm bad at games, guys. I feel like there's deals happening there. You know what?

I challenge you guys right now. This is the foursome. And we can record an episode. Four of us are going golf. And I never golfed. Would you teach you a golf? Perfect. This is the content that we need. Yes. Joy, have you golfed? I have gone to a driving range with my stepdad who loves to golf and I just can't wrap my brain around the idea of having like to me, athletics are you're throwing your body at something or your feet at something or you've got a weapon in your hand and you're smack in a bat as hard as you. you can go. The idea that you would have a weapon or long, you know, thing that could be used as a weapon, and you're just tapping it or just like swinging it ever so precisely. It just completely defeats the point of athletics to me and I can't, I can't really get it into my body. That's not saying it can't be done. I just have yet to be enamored by golf. Phenomenal. I love that. Steve is going to do it. I've never been on a golf course.

Never. No. When would I be able to? I drove a golf. golf cart for other people once and had a great time, but I have never golfed. See, that's what you have to do so. If you can go make your deals on the golf course, just be the designated driver. She's like, I'm here. Who needs to ride? It's DW not I, the grown-up game. Steven, seriously, I'm going to take you up on that. I think that in our 40s, it's time to learn. I agree. I agree. Yeah, as long as my sciatic nerve plays along. All right, all right. The golf question monopolized my time. Here we go. What is your current state of mind? When you woke up this morning,

what are the feels? I mean, I'm very pleased. I'm happy. Chuffed, one might say. Chuffed, chuffed, darling. I love that. So, yeah, things are well. Thank you. Thank you for asking. What do you most value in your friends, Stephen? Oh, laughter. Absolutely. I have, especially, you know, I have some friends that go way back. I still have a lot of my friends from high school that I'm close with. And, you know, yeah, I love to laugh and I enjoy it. And those moments are most cherished. So when we're playing golf and we're all not taking it very seriously and you are and we're giggling, you're going to love that? Sure, sure. We're going to hold you to it. Trying to teach you guys, you know, the fundamentals of the swing.

What's this do? Yes, exactly. You know, yeah, have you guys ever been surfing? Yeah. I can't swim. Man, I'm a witch, Stephen. I don't go in water. That is funny.

No, I'll swing a stick. No. That's the day, Hillary. We're going to go golfing in the morning and we're going to go surfing the afternoon and your life is going to be changed forever. He's going to, yeah, he's going to get me killed. Yeah, but then Hillary, you have to set something up for yourself in the evening that you know you're really good at so you don't just go home and feel totally defeated. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to make you do some dangerous stuff that I do, whatever that is. Bring that fortune teller over, pay a few extra bucks to make it ominous.

Tell me, you're not going to provide for your family. Yeah, that's what I do on Tuesday nights. I love it. I love it. What's the next question? I'm stressed. Okay, well, aside from telling us that you would, aside from just telling us, you would be amused at us laughing on the golf course, on what other occasion do you lie?

Um, I just did the other day, uh, to a customs officer. And I feel like every time I come in the country, I'm, I'm lying to a customs officer. It's like, why? Were you away on business? No. Do you have any goods in your bag? No.

Do you have over $10,000 in your suitcase? No. I always carry $11,000. I'm just kidding. No, but the goods and services or the goods and, you know, just, I mean, I've got sorts of jams and cheeses in my bag. I'm bringing back some wine. Yeah, you made that Fortiman Mason trip. Yeah.

Some of that you're allowed to, but some of it I'm like, no, nothing at all. I'm just scared. Just on a vacation. Yeah. I feel like those questions are like a bait and switch, you know? Like you say yes to something that doesn't seem like a problem and then all of a sudden you're in an interrogation room for seven hours. Yep.

By the way, that happened to a friend of mine who was coming to see me in the U.S. It did not lie to customs officer. And for that, they had to get questioned for. a very long time, and then they weren't allowed in the country. See, this is what I'm saying about the last thing. Rules that don't make sense. Like, there's

semantics. It's like stupid red tape. No, it's so dumb. The warped, yeah, Customs is a warped version of our world, and they are, you know, they're just, they're fucking pricks, and I get it, but unnecessarily

to some people, and... We're going to be on a watch list now. I know right What did them over was they So they had already been questioned and said like we're too honest And then is like have you ever done an elite Have you ever taken an illegal substance in the last six months And they're like I've smoked weed

Is that count? And they're like oh They're like sorry you're going to go sit in this room And be on the next flight back to Europe How f*** is that? Yeah just be a liar you guys That's the moral of the story I endorse it. We lie for a living. Come on.

Yeah, there you go. Professional liars. All right, baby. Well, what is one thing you'll never do again? Oh, man. Your whole life is replaying before your eyes right now. So, you know, I won't have to because there's a lot of, I think, growth and this but um i had to in the last season season two of everyone is doing great show that i work with with james lafferty on um are you guys are we allowed to talk about that one yes we're an independent show oh yes because it's so good and we should talk about it yeah i i'll just say this like i had we had to take on um you know we're a mom and pop shop the way that the show is

run it's a lot of people wearing different hats and um you know i was fine to i direct one episode in the first season and the second season I was I was ready to do just one but we needed to fill some slots and so I had to do two it was it was too much and and I think I the excitement of kind of taking what we learned in the first season and doing it in the second because we kind of knew what we would be going through it was like quickly humbled because for some reason two was just like one too many for me and just where I'm at with my experience on that and also of course being on camera and the things that we want to achieve, you know, on screen for the show. And I felt it affecting the storytelling, and that is like a nightmare to me.

And so, yeah, I will never, so the answer to the question is I will never direct two episodes in a season of a, you know, of an independent show that we have to wear many, many hats on, while also, you know, being on, on camera on screen as well, yeah. So that one was humbling. Oh, yeah, but you're a good teammate. Like, you're not the guy that'll be like, sorry, bud, find someone else, you know? Definitely, no, no, no.

I'm always up to the challenge. But yeah, it gets me in trouble sometimes. Okay, moving on. What's the strangest purchase you've ever made? Oh, man. Besides your weird remote head. maximum firmness let's see here

that's the name of the episode we're getting there we're getting there oh gosh what is weird stuff that I have you know there was a time in Wilmington where I had a online shopping kick and all sorts of

like I would buy some weird weird art and so I have all sorts of little posters It's nothing original. A lot of them are just prints. And I think I got it for a friend, but I got Bert Reynolds laying down in a sandwich. He was the meat of a French role.

Is it the famous playboy shoot? Is it famous? I didn't know if it was famous. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When he was on the bearskin rug. I bought my husband a bearskin rug trying to get him to recreate that picture. Oh my God.

Amazing. In a sandwich? The sandwich was not part of it, but the artist put him into the sandwich because he's, you know, yeah. Would you be willing to part with this? If I still have it. I don't know if I do, to be honest with you. That's hilarious. I never gave it to the friend I was supposed to give it to.

And it's traveled with me. I, man, I don't know. I've got some stuff in storage, some stuff here. If I come across it Have you seen this Instagram account Celebs on Sandwiches? No, that's hilarious Literally just all cartoons of people

Like on and in sandwiches It's great Brilliant It may look different But Native culture is very alive My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer

because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other.

native stories such as the creation of the first native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sage burn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Who are your favorite writers? Okay. Okay. Well, I mentioned him earlier.

Probably, you know, on screenplay, Christopher Nolan and Jonathan Nolan, his brother. They written some amazing scripts that I admire. Book-wise, I've always liked Kurt Vonnegut. Okay. Run a lot of his stuff. That's probably it. Do you have time to even read?

I mean, you guys are so busy working on the stuff that you're doing. It's so funny. You should say that. I honestly started reading for the first time in over a year about two weeks ago. So we kind of started to hit in the post-production kind of editing process of our show. It's been a while. It takes some time. And we kind of, we reached a certain kind of checkpoint where there's a lot of other folks that are helping us, you know,

and whether you're getting stuff colored, whether you're getting the final sound mix and so on and so forth with the music. Which, by the way, Grubbs, who we all worked with, he's our composer and he builds us some amazing stuff for the show, which is so cool. So we have a lot of fun, you know, working with him. But yeah, so I just, I was like, all right. And it was like, where do I want to go with this? Like, do I want to go, you know, like, do I want to go fiction, nonfiction?

Do I want to go to like my tried and true in the World War II? Or do we want to read something that's more present? Do we want to read something? Oh, are you a World War II guy instead of a Roman Empire guy? It's one or the other. When my girlfriend asked me that question, I was like, I don't fucking think about the Roman Empire ever. I was like, where's the World War II?

Because that is, yeah, I'll watch those documentaries all day. One of my most interesting Twitter follows, which Twitter is, I feel like it's a little bit, I don't know. For me, it's been a bit of a dying space. I haven't been on there too frequently, but I have an account that, that is real-time events in World War II as they played out through the year. And it just keeps cycling over and over again, obviously, every year. Whenever one pops up, it says, okay, on this date, blah, blah, blah, what happened.

So, yeah, I go there. But yeah, so, yeah, it was, it was, I think I needed a book of healing as well as it tell you about, you know, this last season just, it took it out of me. It just, it kicked my ass. It's so funny when you get to a point in your career where you probably feel the most comfortable and confident with all your experience up to that point. And then something just comes along and just smacks you right in the face.

But it's a good thing. This is how we continue to learn and grow. So I wind up just going with a killer of the flowers moon. Okay. The flower's moon, which is, yeah. That movie, read this before. Have you read it yet? Yes, I wanted to, I'm only like halfway through. So I, yeah, I was hoping to get it done. Oh, yeah. I was hoping to get it done before the movie came out. But it doesn't matter. I haven't seen the movie yet. So we will get through that, hopefully. Look at you. It's like, are you going to write a book report on it? Maybe like a diorama or a little shoe box diorama. I'll go see the movie. I'll just go see the movie. That works. That works. Remember when we would have to do book reports in middle school? And they'd be like, you can do a dime. You can do a dime. or write a rap and I always opted for write a rap come of course come more uh I would

am I the next one okay yeah we already asked you um about like your greatest fears and I feel like we have a version of this question hmm but the next question is what is your greatest regret oh we ask what would you never do again right But that's different than, like, what is your greatest regret? If you could just go back and change any one thing? I don't know. I'm thinking of that tattoo, no regrets. It's got wrong on your life.

Oh, man. Gosh, I'm so sorry. I don't have an answer for you on this one. What would be my greatest regret? Maybe you haven't done it yet. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, you know, let's go with no regrets right now, but I've got, I've got many.

I mean, you're the first person to say that, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I, honestly, like, I don't, something doesn't stick with me too much. I feel like, you know, I, you know, I've obviously learned a lot from my mistakes and my time, so I don't tend to dwell too much on them. I don't know. So, I guess, sorry, I'm being very cheesy right now. No, you're not.

No regrets. Everything is a learning experience. No regrets, bro. So what's, okay, what's something that you really dislike? Oh, I can't stand it. I can't stand entitlement. When people are and look at themselves, I feel like in a position of power above others in a way,

or treating people in the service industry poorly. For example, flight attendants. My mom was a flight attendant for over 35 years. And when I see somebody on an airplane, for no reason other than they're just expressing their stress to a flight attendant and don't stop, I do want to ring their neck. So I can't stand that. Have you ever, like, broken up with a friend? I have. Like, we went to dinner, and I saw how they treated waiters.

And I was like, oh, no. Oh, no, we're done. Yeah. Can never be together. My greatest expression of SAS is at the airport in the T. A line, when people go through the screening and they leave their bins and I get up there every time and I go, these people do not work for you. They are not hired to clean up after us. They're responsible for national security. Have some respect. And I just stack everybody's bins

and throw them in the thing. And the TSA people are always like, thank you. And I'm like, greatest pet people I've. And I just storm through the airport. Like it drives me crazy. I'm like, these people are looking for bombs. And you think they're supposed to clean up your plastic bin that you picked up and put your fucking carry-on bag in? Pick it up yourself. It makes me nuts. Stephen, I like that about you. We've had fun dinners.

And I feel like when we leave, we're usually friends with the waiters at that point. Just like, bro, call us. Like, we're going to an after party. Do you want to come? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Think about what good care Hank took of all of us at Deluxe for a decade.

Hank. Hank. We miss him. What was that chicken? dish that was so, so good. Do you remember? Hey, like, it was on the bone still? The one with the, or the, or the, or the roasted chicken? Oh, did it come with, did it come with a little bit of noodles? I'm, I'm, remember, I'm kind of remembering that. Was it, was it, was there a chicken and then some noodles, or are you talking about chicken and noodles? No, I was talking about like that big noodle bowl we used to get with the chicken

and it. This is disgusting. Look at us. Okay. I'm thinking of the roasted chicken. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But this is your day. What or who is the greatest love of your life, Steven? Oh, that is my girlfriend right now. Jordan, Alexis Weaver. She goes by Alex, but we like to remind her name is Jordan. But yeah, she is, she is, yeah, easy question.

She is hands down, you know, yeah, probably the love of my life. And, I mean, you got to throw the nieces in there as well. I was going to ask, does she pass the niece? niece test. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. She did. Yeah, we did a 4th of July with the nieces in Minnesota where my sister resides and

it was a great time. So that's a fun, that's a fun thing when it's like the family buys in where it's like everyone's invested. Yep. I think there was a, you know, too personal here. There was a moment when I was hanging out with. with my brother and Alex and they were chit-chatting for a while and I was like left out over here for a little while and I was like it kind of it was it brought a smile to my face I was like look at him go

this is awesome I was like to not expect it to hit it off that way so yeah yeah okay so on that note when and where were you happiest you can be as specific or vague as you want to be Yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly, it's, I just mentioned it. I think we had a 4th of July this year where we were up in Minnesota, and my sister lives in this, like, it is just an all-American town. It's, it's right on a river. It was the 4th of July, so there was a parade. We go to the parade. Then we're back at their farm and we're, you know, cooking some mores.

They've got a big fire going. We're taking the ATV around the property. The fireworks are going off at night. know, all over the place, but in the distance. And you're looking over a lot of farmland from where, from where we, our vantage point of where we went. And, you know, we're cruising around in a little ranger. So we've got, you know, all the nieces and my nephew stacked up in the back.

And my sister's there and Alex is with me. And that whole day was like, oh, this is, you know, it was with family. You know, my brother was there as well. And yeah, I think that's that. Yeah, sitting buried in the sand from my nieces, as I mentioned earlier. That, it's, yeah, I think that that is where I'm my most comfortable and safest and happiest. That's sweet, baby.

Which, we did a version of this that was, if you could be the best at anything. But this isn't like the best at anything. This question is, which talent would you most like to have? something that you just can't do at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, which is an endless vocabulary. I feel like, again, kind of back to that like self-torture of not always feeling like I'm able to express exactly what's going on in my mind. And I get like, I overheat.

I start going, I'm spinning and then I can't. Sometimes I'm like, I'm not dictating what I'm feeling very well. And that's, you know, so I think having that endless vocabulary. and being able to express oneself in a, yeah, precise and concise way? Sure. Yeah. So basically it's the same answer. You just want either have a little bit of it or a lot or like the most of it.

But either way, that's your thing. Hmm. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like. Yeah. That's what I was hearing. I'm maybe.

I honestly. So like, okay, vocab test in high school and middle school, I was tuned. the fuck out for those, and I was cheating off of somebody near me. Oh, no. Yeah. I didn't study my verbs and everything growing up. I was just like, I kind of, you know, read some books, but not all the ones we were supposed to read in school. And so, yeah, I think that that bit me in the ass later in life. We're still trying to make up for it. But, you know, the brain's like, oh, sorry, dude. I'm not able to retain as much as we used to. Just do the Hemingway thing. Yeah, Hemingway was always like less words.

words. You don't need, use less words. Just make it super basic, super clear. Like, I want sandwich, you know? Like, super, super basic. Yeah, you're just doing the Hemingway methodology. Interesting juxtaposition there. As far as, like, having an endless vocabulary and being able to, like, you know, just talk and talking. Yeah, you don't eat it, baby. Yeah, the less is more. Have you ever met those people that have clearly spent too much time on, like, the, the, Thesaurus.com The vocabulary

toilet paper? Oh God, and were you just like, really? Sure, sure. You wanted to fit that word in today. There was a time where I would have early app on my phone

when we were first getting our iPhones. There was the dictionary app and there was a word of a day that was sent to you. And so I'd always try to incorporate the word of the day into the day somehow. And then I was like, you're annoying and obnoxious. Like, it was a weird, because I was like, what does that mean?

I'm like, oh, well, I got the word of the day sent to my phone every day. I like that. I think that's fun. Good for you. Hilarious. Honestly, I kind of love it. Do you ever feel like when you're going through like a growth spurt in your life, you can sense the way your vocabulary changes? Like you were talking earlier about how season two of the other show we can't talk about that you do that's wonderful

was such a big challenge that, you know, it forced you to like into a bit of a growth spurt. You have to figure out what you can carry and what maybe is too much for one person. I always find that if I'm in like a like an adult growth spurt

that it's harder for me to talk as clearly as I'm used to being able to communicate and I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm about to have a leap because I kind of can't figure it out. Like when little kids suddenly don't know how to use their bodies. Yes. I feel like that in my brain body as an adult when I'm so interesting growing yeah like I can tell that I'm in my sort of like next evolutionary phase when it's harder for me to communicate I wonder if that's

part of it I feel you on that I feel like and it kind of comes back to sometimes when you're going through it not truly understanding you know exactly what it is or to be able to hit the nail on the head of what you're feeling during that time of growth so I think and it takes some searching and it takes some, you know, maybe communication with others and you start to figure it out. But before, yeah, you're just kind of fledgling. It's just like you're you're lost and like, all right, I don't know exactly what this feeling is or how to describe it, but I know that this is not necessarily a comfortable place. Wait, do you talk to yourself, like in the car? Do you practice conversations and talk to yourself? I do. No, no, no, not practice conversations, but

I did have to pack very quickly. I slept through an alarm trying to go to the airport not too long ago. And we were late. I had to go outside and tell the driver, like, I need to finish packing. And then I'll be back. And so I ran around the house saying, come on, Stephen, you got this. You got this. You got this.

Come on. Focus, Stephen. Focus now. Come on. We get this. Let's get our toilet trees. Let's get our sweaters. Let's get everything.

So there's, of course, we're coaching ourselves up from time of time. And it helped, right? It did. It did because I was so, you know, I was like so pissed off and so, like, disappointed in myself. You know, I wanted to punch a hole in the wall and then just, yeah, and just like say, I'm not going to make it. But, you know, we persevere. All I'm saying is for these clarity situations, a little combo with yourself in the car goes a long way, Stephen. Like, just practicing, saying things out loud. I thought every adult spoke out loud to themselves

and didn't realize that they didn't until other people witnessed it. Yeah. Oh, what are we doing here? And so I just want to encourage you to spend some time with yourself. Stay out loud. I love it.

I appreciate that. There are some fights that are won. I'm batting 1,000 as far as my record. When I'm in the shower or in the bathroom with whoever I'm angry at. Oh, yeah. I'm like 38 and O over there. Knockout every time.

Yeah. When the Zinger hits two years later, you're like, oh, what I should have said. Burn. Out of nowhere. Oh, I got. It's so good. Okay. If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

Oh, yeah, I would, I would slow down. I kind of mentioned it earlier. This gets moving too quickly. I feel like my speech gets moving too quickly. Sometimes I feel like I just wish I could slow down. And I am looking forward to as I get older, naturally, we slow down. And I'm looking forward to that. And one of those people that oddly, like, I love getting older.

I don't miss being in my 20s at all. Like, thank God that's over with. And we survived. And you know what I mean? And so, yeah, I, I, I think I'm looking forward to those times in life where I do slow down and breathe a little bit. But I also like I get excited. You know, I do kind of revert back to my youth and like, you know, when there's a big day or it's something that's, you know, you're really looking forward to.

I can get very anxious in an excited quick way. It's like, all right, just slow down and enjoy it. Like a big golf day. Yep, yep. also I would say I have absolutely zero control when it comes to consuming food after the hour of like 9 p.m.

I'm a monster in the night who will just tear through everything even though I've had a full dinner. Dark dinner. Dark dinner. Is that what they call it? That's what my friends and I call it. When it's like 11 and you're like, why am I making a bowl of pasta right now? I've had dinner. I'm having a dark dinner. It's like this, it's just, it's too late, but you can't not do it. No. And you just

hate yourself. You just like, eat, hate, eat. And I know everyone could be this to a way as far as like, you know, you get a bag of chips and you just keep going and going. But we could, you know, the five, four of us could be sitting down, having dinner. And if we're at a Mexican restaurant and there's chips and salsa, I'm going to dominate that basket. Yeah. Like you guys are going to have two to three chips and I will have 75% of them. But I don't really realize I'm doing it. I'm just talking to you going like this. Same.

Just like from one chip to the next. It's because you're the puppy. You're like the puppy that was in the shelter that had to fight for food. You're the youngest. It's birth order. Interesting. You were like, these older kids are going to take my portion if I don't assert myself. You've earned it.

It was my sister who called it on me recently. She was like, bro, what are you doing? Slow it down. Yeah. No, you earned that spot. You take that spot. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

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influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn SageBurn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So the next question, this is a fun one. This is, what do you consider your greatest achievement? Oh, well, um, Yeah, I would say, I guess we're not supposed to really talk about it too much here. But I would say, you know, creating something independently and being able to get, you know, season one of the show, you know, to where it got wrong. We will not mention names there.

But that was, yeah, that's one of those things where it's like if you almost, if you knew the path that you would have to take, you would probably talk yourself out of starting it, you know? And so, yeah, you know, something that that obviously takes years to come to fruition and always kind of unclear and it's been definitely one of the most rewarding things. And also creatively, you know, it's like in this business, sometimes, you know, you're taking jobs because you got to take jobs. And what that story may be or what you end up, what it ultimately ends up, you know, as is an unfinished products, you're not necessarily. really pleased with, and you might have known that maybe that's where it was going to go. But this one, you know, obviously been more fulfilling and rewarding than anything on a professional level. It was so cool because we're just, like, we're told especially as actors, like, there's a path

to how a show is produced, know your role, right? Like, don't step out of this. And you guys just shattered all of that. You were like, no, we're going to do it this way. And that was so cool to watch just unfold. Oh, I appreciate that. You know, it's like where, you know, independent film, when it started coming around, you've got the resources, it's going to, you know, take a lot of work. But you can start to make your own movies that could, you know, get some distribution.

And you're seeing that more with episodics now. It's slowly happening. I thought it would be happening a little bit more at a faster rate. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's been fun and to, you know, to have that creative control and to work with your best friends and have this little filmmaker family that, you know, everyone really takes on a lot to get this done. Yeah. And at the end of the day, we all still love each other, which is like, thank God, to be honest, you know.

That's so cool. Yeah. Like, it's, everyone wants to see, everyone kind of brings a little something different to the table. And for that, you really appreciate each individual. And then we truly just love seeing everyone succeed. You know, you want to see everyone succeed, which, yeah. So. Yeah, I love that about you guys.

That's so great. Well, okay, here's question 20. If you were to die, if, and come back as a person or thing, what would you come back as? my mom said when I was born she was like you were like a little seal pup you just popped out you didn't cry you just sat there with your big eyes and so I was like

it's funny a seal a seal pup comes to mind but I think I would want to be land and see so I just watched a Netflix documentary was it on Netflix?

You know what Netflix? Netflix I don't even know who they are Yeah we don't know what that is You watched a streaming show You watched a dock So it was called sea wolves And it was about these It was about a few different

There was actually there were some seals in that as well And some other animals of course But there were some This hilarious There were some sea wolves that it featured And they're on this Vancouver Island Stop what the fuck is a sea wolf guys Why do I not know what this is?

I don't know. It's a wolf who lives near the sea. Oh. That's like a SpongeBob song. They're badass. It's a legit species of wolf. Vancouver Coastal Sea Wolf. This might be the sexiest answer you've given, Stephen.

The sea wolf. Go on, go on. Tell us more while we all Google Sea wolves. Yeah, there's a familial aspect to them. They just being in that environment. And I randomly, I, you know, my grandparents lived off of Vancouver Island growing up. So I spent a lot of time up there. And I always long to go back.

They've, you know, they've passed on. So I haven't been up there in a very long time. But I just would love it up there. That's a really lovely answer. A seawolf. A seawolf. Yeah. Obviously, growing up in Laguna Beach, the ocean rate, my parents were just, you know,

they just dump you on the beach for the day in the summers and say, don't come home until the sun comes down. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So the ocean definitely raised me. And so, yeah, it feels home. That's so cool. Question 21.

Do you have something in your life, like a thing you do or a space that you occupy often, something in your life that is so easy that you just know it's where you belong? That was funny. easy answer just coming off of what we just said. I would say being at the beach. That is, yeah, I long for that being in L.A. or when I'm gone. It's part of why I loved Wilmington so much because, oh, shit, look at this new type of beach in Ritesville Beach. Yeah.

Well, you know, this is different from the beaches that I'm used to growing up, but there's a similar vibe. There's this, you know, the beach culture is there, but it's southern. I was fascinated with that. I loved, loved being in the South for that reason. But yeah, you know, you, yeah, stick my ass in the sand and watching the ocean is probably where I'm at peace the most. Steven, you're like, real life Ken. I beat. I beat.

But you're smarter. You're smarter than Ken. Oh, my gosh. I hope boys give themselves permission to beach. To beach. To beach. I like that, yes, I need sand between my toes. To beach or not to beach.

what is it my what's what's this house the the doja casa um what's Ken's house called oh yes yes the dojo casa of like whatever

the horses all over it so funny mojo doja casa house yeah thank you thank you that's right that's right that's the one

I love that that was just right I was just right on the tip of Elena's fingers okay well maybe this question plays into this. Where would you most like to live? Well, I mean, if we're talking long term, we would continue with a similar theme here. I got to be by the beach. But I mean, I haven't been to Asia at all or any of the Southeast Asia countries or anything like that. If I can go live in Kyoto for a year, be in Japan, be submerged in a completely different culture,

I'm always, yeah, I'm always, my mind's always wandering to something like that or whenever I, you know, the ADD will kick in, kick in if I'm seeing, you know, a picture of somewhere that is, you know, it could be like Tokyo and all of a sudden you're like, man, what a different world. Like, that's on our planet. And then I start to go on the internet and I'm starting to look like, all right, what happens here? Like, what would it be like, what? And then I'm like, you know, doing the Google Earth and I'm trying to just like see what's on this random street. And I'm imagining myself walking down that street. So, yeah, I think, uh, I think, uh, There are places, you know, living in a place like Japan for a year and getting immersed in that culture, which might not necessarily be enough time. But I would love to do that and we'll sign up to do that in a heartbeat. But long term, yeah, we're going to need to be by a beach. Yeah. All right. Final question. Number 23, what's your most treasured possession?

I don't know. Houses on fire. What are you grabbing? Yeah. Tyler said like a good. And everyone's like, he didn't say his daughter? And I'm like, calm it down. Possession.

Let the man have his toys. Come on. Yeah, possession. I'm like, my girlfriend. It's like, no, no, no, no. She's running out with you. She's getting her own things. You have to get one of yours.

Yeah. What are you putting in that Tupperware container that you just like grab? You know, all right, I'm thinking about, I'm looking around all sorts of different random pictures and stuff. I have, when I moved recently, and I know. noticed it, but I really had an urgency to get up pictures of my grandparents and get him back on my fridge. I had them on my fridge in my old place. There's a picture of my grandpa who was a fighter pilot. He's got like his whole headgear on and then like the oxygen thing on his. And he's

just like standing next to his Cadillac. And it's, you know, it's like 1940 something. That's a pretty badass picture. There's also another picture of him where he looks like James Bond and he's in scuba gear like not like that's not looking like yeah like a cool version because there is the like

what's the Adam say on their film and there's like Scuba Steve which is which is not not the way he looks in his scuba gear

when you said Bond we knew what you meant yeah yeah he's got the knife on the ankle you know it's all one dark black suit and he looks like a badass and he's mean mugging

he's got like his Clint Eastwood going that that picture I love, and there's a picture, there's like a, you know, a must be some sort of a cotillion photo of my, my grandma from back in the day. And those sit on my fridge. I would grab, I think those are, yeah, that and my coffee maker and my coffee probably. And what else? What else? My house is on fire. That's a great way to put it. I'm watching my friend's animal right now, so that would come with me.

Should grab that. My girlfriend has a cat who I am working on our, we're working on our relationship. You know, I've spent a lot of time with an arm, you know, stretched underneath my bed, you know, with a brush, trying to give it brushes, brushies. And we, so I got to grab the cat, even though it will not let me grab it. So we'll have to figure that one out. Did you watch that documentary, like the secret life of animals? No, no, I have not.

They talk about cats in it, and I didn't realize that you were supposed to put your finger out and just boop a cat on its nose, because cats, like, boop things with their noses, and that's how you show affection. Oh. So, you just boopped that cat, Stephen. It'll work. All right, so I do, there is a buddy in high school. we were all hanging out after school one day we were trying to probably figure out where we were going to get a bag of weed

and go smoke at somewhere and uh wonderful details you don't need but yes third child behavior Stephen exactly on the page of being very bright individuals at 17 years old one of our friends at our friend's house

he decided to boop the cat with a rubber finger you know one of no boop the microphone and the cat attacked him like it yeah it was it got very very bad um and the um yeah the parent actually had to give the cat away no because it attacked knew you were mocking him with the fake boop yeah yeah yeah it was quite the experience no you've got to be yeah all right well good luck in that fire yeah yeah right best Best of luck with your boop today.

Stephen, you answered all 23 questions. How do you feel? You've purged a lot of information right now. This was fun, you guys. It's good to hang out with you guys. And yeah, honestly, what did I say? Great. You did great.

All good things. We really did. We're all going to learn to golf. Yeah, that's right. Everyone's learning new things. You know, that was not on my bingo card. It's expectation of us at the end of this having a round of golf together. And they're going surfing.

God, it's going to be embarrassing. Hold you to it. Thank you so much, babe. Thanks for joining us. It was so great to see you. Absolutely. We're all together again. Yay.

Yeah. We'll see you guys soon. All right. Tell everybody on that show that we can't talk about. We said hi and we love them. Yeah. I will. I will.

I will talk to you guys soon. Bye. Bye. Bye. Do I actually leave? I actually leave. You do. You're free.

You're free. Thank you. Go be married. All right, guys. Bye. Bye. Bye, honey. Hey, thanks for listening.

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