Drama Queens - 23 Questions with Tyler Hilton

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

Tyler reveals his biggest fear and how it once threatened to derail a production! He shares a weird obsession he doesn’t regret and something Hilarie and Sophia once did to him that was a prelude to something he’ll never do again! So much we didn’t know about Tyler all revealed in 23 answers!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. You guys, we have one of our favorite, favorite, favorite people with us. What a scamp this one. Tell them what we got joy. We got one in a, not one in a million, one in a billion. I mean, Tyler Hilton, ladies and gentlemen, Chris Keller himself, a dear friend of all of ours. Oh, Tyler, there you are. Ooh, with a tight, fresh haircut.

Hi. Okay. Ooh. I'm drones for the Navy now. No, no. I love it. Tyler, we miss you. We're excited to play 23 questions with you.

I know, I'm so stoked too. Thanks for jumping in, man. What's you've been doing? What's going on? What's happening in your life, dude? Hang in. I just finished the score for a Megan's movie, so that was cool.

We just wrapped that in the last, like, few weeks. And the little town she filmed it in, they have like a local paper, and they were like, well, the economy's booming because all this film production moved in for a movie called My Old Ass. And they said the whole thing in the new paper. And I was like, oh, okay.

They're like, and it's not about a donkey, apparently, according to sources. I was like, oh, my God. When she told us the name of that, I was like, of course. Of course, that's what you're thinking. Can I tell you guys a story really quick? Yes, we're on. Oh, my God. So I just went outside before this, I heard all this commotion, all these ducks in the yard,

flew away really quick. And usually that means a predator is in the area. And a huck had swooped down on a duck that was just chilling. there and got him right there in front of me. It was the weirdest thing. And it's like, watched it happen. Sad and happy at the same time,

but just so dramatic to watch go down. Also, birds attacking birds. I didn't know that was a thing that a hawk would attack a duck. I know they go after mice and stuff, but. No, they just like, there's one that just like hangs out in the area and he just, you know, you know, get away in time. And everything, and you're like, oh, the hawk must be this time.

No. Wait till your daughter starts going out. outside, like, talking to it. Just like, come hither, hawk. Oh, she talks to the animals all the time. That's like we feed the birds in the morning and the raccoons in the evening. Oh, those trash pandas. Yeah, dumpster pandas, no thanks.

Did you name your hawk or any of your other vermin? Oh, we haven't named the hawk, but the other ones have names. So we live now in the house that Megan grew up in and her mom grew up in. So it's like there's been, these animals are like, oh, that duck right there is the, is the kid of Spacey and, you know, Starlight or whatever. Just like these generations have just been chilling here. It's so old timing. I love that. All right.

Well, that leads us to our first question, friend. First question for you is, what is your idea of perfect happiness? Is it feeding raccoons? Oh, that's such a cool question. I feel like being unencumbered to like do whatever hobby, chase whatever hobby or interest or thing that makes you curious. I think that's about as close to happiness as you can get. And I feel like as I get older,

that's what I'm solving for more and more. Like freedom, freedom of choice to do things that you want. That seems like happy, you know, happy. to me. And that's how I'm raising, when that's what I want for my family, you know, that kind of thing where you can create safe sandboxes to kind of be free in. That's like, that's happiness, I think. I was just talking about that earlier today. It was like being in my 40s, finally realizing that I don't necessarily like the things that I was told I liked as a kid. Yeah. And just the freedom to be like, I don't like that. I'm not going to do it. I did it because

That's freedom. I know that is to break away from the pact on something that you don't agree with them on, that's true freedom, whether it's like, whatever, you know, that's like, that's a vibe. Yeah. Because we all have that. I'm sure, like, I wonder what the percentage is, but I'm sure like at least a third of our preferences, if we truly get down in there, don't line up with the rest of society. And what do you do with those, you know?

What are you going to do with those? I guess always that's the maybe thing of life is always be fighting in whatever way you can and small, you know, always just taking the road that kind of leaves you closer to more of those or something, you know. You're profound, darling. I miss, I miss conversations like this with you, Tyler. What's the greatest thing of the name ever gave you?

Yeah. What's your favorite color? Oh, no, these are hard. These are grad school questions. Oh, these are my favorite. Yeah, well, okay, listen, here's the next one. What's your greatest fear? Oh, man.

Well, the surface level answer would be like heights. Like, I've always like, I can't do heights. Like physically, oh my gosh. In fact, Hillary, you're a part of this story that actually is so funny of me in heights. Like, I've always had such a thing with heights. I can't. Yes. I can't even, it's not even like a choice.

I physically can't go higher. Like, my legs will freeze and stuff. So we're doing Christmas on the bayou. They don't tell me this. And we get to set. And they're like, okay, so for this scene, you're going to be fixing that street light up there. street light and we have this ladder going up to it and you're kind of putting Christmas lights and I was like on the street light way up there and I was like am I on a harness they're like

no no no we'll get you up there and I was like it was the only time I've ever been filming that I said I can't do that like I mean I can't I won't I won't make it up there or whatever it's so funny that was a movie with you or whatever so they had me hang some light like lights on a tree or so they didn't they get they used the child actor's dad as a body double for you but you were a good foot and a half taller than that dude

and so it did not match it was not a match I won't make it up there he said thank God yeah so that's my biggest fear yeah that was scary okay if you could be the best in the world at something anything

what would it be whoa like the best in the world at anything gosh I mean you know I'm sure there's like a the responsible thing would be like what does the world need and then like try to be the

best for them reverse engineer it like the selfish answer is like so I actually like played my friend's wedding that actually I played Eli and Marissa's wedding this weekend from the One Tree Hill Conventions. I don't know if you're like they're like the team met there and they're part of like the staff. Literally neatest, biggest, hardest people ever.

And so shout out to them. But as I was playing it, I haven't been playing a lot of shows. I realized how much I love singing for people. It's like the craziest thing. Touring is hard and sucks. And so I was trying to get out of touring. But then I forget how much I love singing for people. And honestly, I'm not being...

You're so magical on stage. Oh, yeah. No, it's... It is, but you are also. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But, like, I just... It's truly like a spiritual vibe, you know?

And I think, like, you know, if there's some way I could harness that into like whatever being the best in the world at that, you know, if my guitar and my voice could be like my superpower and I could go everywhere with that, I would, you know, like, I love it. That is so funny that you pick something that already. is your superpower like you're already so good at it and so magical but but i always want to be better and it's one of those things too or with like a lot of things you can only be so good at guitar and voice whatever whatever but then after that getting better is like a spiritual thing and a person and it's like it's not like it's not non-fiction stuff it's like fiction stuff you know

it's like deep in that part of you do you know what i mean yeah do you remember that band the dresden dolls. Yeah, why? Because the lead singer didn't want a tour anymore either. Like she's a parent and she just got a place here in the Hudson Valley that it's like a shop but also a house and it's basically just a living room she set up where she performs every single weekend. Wow, what great idea. And she invites all of her other super famous musician friends to just come play in this living room and it's just all like chairs from thrift stores and it is the coolest. thing for artists to just be able to sing and play but not tour yeah you know what about that too i love the coffee house vibe i've been really missing that it's kind of used as like a beginner's

launching pad but then when you're on it you miss it like there's some things that don't translate to like loud bars with clinking glasses and drinking yeah there's other things that like you know a singer named kathleen edwards joy did you ever no i don't know she's like an americana fokey kind of thing I think ended up dating and working with Boni Vair and then they won a Grammy at some point. Anyway, she quit, moved back home to a small town in Canada and opened up a coffee house called Quidders. And that's just where she worked now.

Yes. I was like, I always thought that'd be such a good job. Like, she should make it a show or I just feel like that's such a beautiful concept that she moved back there and just plays there, owns it. Quitters coffee. So cool. You're going to open up ducks and raccoons. Oh my God, can you imagine?

He's such a hit. When I first moved here, I was like, okay, I'm going to open up a coffee house here. And I actually Googled, how many cups of coffee do you have to sell on average to make a coffee house for it? I was like, oh, I'll never be able to make that work. I do love that. I think especially in a day and age where it's like the concert experience is becoming so much more about big giant concerts. You know, it's great to see Beyonce and Taylor Swift. That's fun.

But there is so much that you can get out of just going to see. see an independent artist or somebody who's not as famous as Taylor Swift, which, you know, who is. And just sitting there and experiencing that, I feel like it's harder to get people out of their houses to go do that. But if it were more of an intimate thing, like what you're talking about, where you know you're going to have that interaction much more up close, I feel like that's a super sellable experience. Maybe what the vibe is, and I should look into this, is doing some kind of regular performance either here or in Toronto, like a residency kind of. a vibe in a more accessible place, but then filming it and streaming it on like a TikTok or Instagram,

you know, so people can still, you know, experience it if they want, but, um, that's fun, you know, it's in that small intimate thing that you could also show up in anyway. Yeah. Okay, all right, here's our next question. What's the weirdest thing you keep next to your bed? Oh, that's such a good, God, these are good. That is so, okay, I'll tell you. Oh, my God. cold hard cash cash in a gun bedside table picture came out it was like a Diet Coke a gun

and something else I was like Who's was this? Elon Musk it was like a picture of Oh my god yes Oh boo he has Okay so this is weird But I sleep almost every night with an air pod in an ear

In my ear listening to like news You don't lose it? I lose it in the middle of the night And then I always Oh my God, I can't believe I'm saying this out loud This is like Yeah, and then I find it

Every night like under me And then I switch it to the other one That hasn't run out of batteries And I started again And that's right Yeah To the news? Yeah, it's just like

And it's best if it's like BBC Or something like Today in Yugoslavia It was a No, Tyler All night And then if I wake up to pee or something I'm working out, get back home, I'm back to sleep.

Yeah, and so the AirPods sit right there. This is why you're so, you can comment on anything. I feel like just throw you into any scenario. Even if you actually know everything, I don't know I know it. Even though you're like, I don't know how educated I am on it, but I definitely know about it and I can have a conversation with you back. But I just want to know what the catalyst for it was. Like, what was the first day that Tyler Hilton was like, I'm going to listen to the news tonight. Like as a child, did you listen to NPR with your.

parents or something? No, no, but I, you know, I think like my grandma, who I'm like really similar, she kept the TV on all night. It was like some, she didn't watch it that much during the day, but had to have it on all night. There's something about that, that like makes me go to sleep. I hope they don't find that those AirPods give you brain cancer because I'm in trouble. Can you imagine, but they say. Yeah, but you'll know an awful lot. So, yeah, I love it. Okay, which living person do you admire most? Oh, okay, okay, okay. God, there's so many people to, like, go with, you know. I don't mean to be lame, but I'm going to go with, like, an entertainer

because I do feel like we're in such a niche. And for me, it's so hard to find idols in my exact niche, you know? So although I've, like, a lot of great family members and stuff, I've always thought that, like, I mean, actually, well, I was going to, you know what I was going to say, I was going to say Hugh Jackman, but then I, you know, it's a downer because I hear he's like divorcing from his wife. But I've always thought, honey,

you can still be a good person and get divorced. I mean, I don't know. I don't know, you know, but I mean, he is, you know,

but like, I think like his interviews, his relationships, his talent, his like career trajectory, his like work ethic, um, his like morality.

There's something about him that I think is like truly like, I, without realizing it, I like, I'm really inspired by him, you know. So. Yeah.

Did you see him in the music man while he was doing the music man? No, I didn't. I didn't. I should have. He made every single person there feel like they were catching the show where he got a little spicy because we thought it was like Gus and I, the whole family went to see it for Easter and we thought for sure like, oh, they're improvving, they're doing something

like clever. He and Sutton Foster and then we went online and realized that they do it every show. He's just so good. Oh my gosh. You would never in a million years think it was scripted because he's just, he's personable in a way that old movie stars were. And we don't necessarily have a lot of that. He seems really open, you know, or whatever. Like he's willing to give, you know.

And I, to be honest, I kind of get shy and introverted in some regards with like my art and things and, you know, self-conscious. And he seems so like everyone that I've heard that has seen him live, it is like Hollywood Bull stuff or whatever, walked away with this feeling. that you want to give. I feel like if you're like an entertainer where they're just so like, oh, wow, you know. Yeah, that's a good one. I've heard that about him too. I don't know these things about myself

until you're asking them. That's the crazy thing is you're like forcing me to like... Yeah, get to know yourself better. It's free therapy today, Tyler. It is. We're providing a service. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

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world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, well, it's time to get real about what you spend the most on what is your greatest extravagance. Oh, definitely like music stuff, album stuff. I spend so much dough on anything that like, if my music career was like a child, it'd be the most spoiled child. I give it everything. Like if I need to like last minute be in L.A. to do a record, I'll go.

I'll go. If we need like twice as many string players, but there isn't a budget for it. We'll buy it. You know, like, that's, like, my favorite thing to spend money on. Like, we were just on vacation in this cottage, and I found out there was a music store, like, an hour and a half away. And they had this mic that I wanted. And I spent, like, the day, like, driving there to buy it. Like, because they had this old pump organ in this cottage.

And I was like, I want to record this pump organ. And so, like, these kind of things I'll just, like, I'll just spend on, you know. What's the craziest musical thing that you spent your money on, that you had? to have. I like that he's a little bit impulsive. I have to have one of these guys. Okay, so this is called a baritone guitar, and it's like longer.

I'm going to say, it's really long. And so what it is is you get rid of the high string on a guitar, and you add an extra low string below the E. So now the whole thing is just one string lower. And it just sounds kind of, I mean, this is electric, but it just sounds kind of like, you know what I mean? It's so moody.

And then they use it a lot, not for chords and stuff, but like a... You know, like those kind of... Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Anyway. You need a pickup truck, a lift kit. Oh, yeah. It's so outlaw country.

Mm-hmm. That's a fun toy, Ty. Now they make baritone acoustics, and now I really want to get one. I got to have it. All right. Question number seven is, what is your current state of mind? you guys these are such good questions yeah would you wake up today feeling like when the show ends and you guys have watched every episode you literally should just keep this stuff going like

you're asking you're asking the stuff that we wish journalists or whatever like like getting in there yeah basically just farming for all your internet passwords we're like what was the name of your first pet and your favorite teacher uh okay like what was it my current state of mind yeah Yeah, when you woke up this morning, you were like, ah, this is how I feel. This is like a really good question. Okay, so here's where I'm at generally, like, in my head is I'm in this, like, weird transition where after my last record came out in 2019 or whatever, I was going to take a couple years off and just do the dad thing in the pandemic hit, whatever. So that extended my little break. I was going to take a little longer.

But now I'm like in this phase where I'm like coming out of this. like two or three years and being like this feeling of like I I want to do something. You know, like, but what do I do? Who am I now? Everything is different. Like I had a zero year old. I had nobody. Now I have a three, like almost four year old.

Like I live in Canada. Like I, and I'm surprised by how many songs and stuff keep like bubbling up in me. So after I, the good thing is Megan asked me to do the score for the movie. This is all leading up to where I'm at now. and then I it really broke me out of like just being in dad mode you know and I had to go hard into the studio once I did that and it was like the hardest thing I've ever done just like writing music to a movie for strings and it was like so great by the end of that I was like all I want to do is make another album so I went right into the studio made like a whole another album and now I'm

like it's done um the first song like just came out or whatever and I'm like or whatever I'm like But I'm like, but I'm like, now what? And I'm in this like phase where I realize like, oh, like, where does music, where does me as a musician fit into my life now? And I like really realized that like no matter what, if I retired, if whatever, I would still put out a record all the time. I love putting out music all day and nonstop. And I feel like I'm in the stage right now where this feels like one of the first records that I'm putting out that will be one of like hopefully one every year for the rest of my life. you know this is just what i'm like doing now it's like my practice or before i was like a road guy i don't want to do that if i'm really like for probably i don't want to be road guy for like

another 20 years if i can help it old man road guy's sick i want to be yeah yes but like for the next while like and so it's just it's just like really wild because i'm in the stage now where like the first song just came out another song's coming out and it's like not any kind of like oh anticipation what's going to happen things will adjust if it does well or not no it's like this is my new infinite game you know and in itself it's like I wake up every day kind of feeling like a new person I'm like who am I have to like rebuild my identity because I'm not I'm not there with like the fans the hotel rooms like so many years on the road you know it's like it's been and I've kind of thought this lot these last couple years we're going to be just a break and then

I go back to it and I realize like no I'm I don't want to go back to that so what what am I now what do I do now? So it's just, I'm like, definitely like working that out. And it's like, it's, uh, it's cool. So changing your state of mind in that way certainly affects your relationships. And now that you're older in life and you have this retrospective perspective, what's your, what do you, what do you value the most in your friends? I guess it's a quality.

Like what, what quality do you value most? Okay. so the quality I value most is like I like to like I love ideas and I love like talking a lot or whatever and so I feel like my closest friends I have this one guy who have been like best friends with since we were like 15 in high school and we still talk like every couple weeks or whatever and I love being able to just like talk about with like someone that I could just like have conversations with and and that isn't stuck in their thinking that I could be like wait is blah blah blah blah blah blah or maybe anything that starts with weight or maybe or those kind of conversations I love.

Like I could go off on that. If we're in that kind of mindset of like, I wonder if just those kind of things, I love to like just talk. So curiosity. Curiosity and safety, you know. And this is like another thing that's like really important to me is non-selfish love. Like especially as an entertainer, you know, there's a lot of people that like, like you, but they, you know, and you're giving that to them and they want that, you know,

but to have somebody like dig you, dig things about you that they're not getting anything out of, that's really cool, you know? Yeah. And rare. Yeah. You always like that. I really feel like that. And we've all, you know, we've, we've, I think because we met so young and we've been through so many things together, but there is, there's that vibe, you know, but. Well, there's no angle. Yeah. And I don't, I feel like. I lucked out in that I'm still friends with all my childhood friends, but Jeffrey has certainly struggled with that. I've seen my husband like, just get worked by some people. And so when he meets people, like he loves you so much. When we were on tour, you two hugging backstage was

so. So hardwomen. You two just love each other. Yeah, it's nice, especially for men, who are not necessarily encouraged to dig deep into those feelings, to find people who they can be gentle with and like, that don't want anything from them. Yeah, and bent to, guy, the hard thing is sitting aside time because it doesn't seem like worth it, you know? I think like as a guy, you think there's things you got to get done in the day and talking to your guy friend is not one of them, you know?

It just seems like a total waste of time. Oh, no, women prioritize that shit, Taylor. Right. We cut out a whole hour of the day Like, well, this is my shit talk hour Going to fix it You literally started a podcast So you guys could do it

Maybe that's what I need to do Is just start a podcast with my guy friends Just to be like, check in. How's everyone? That's it. That's it. The check in. Okay, baby, on what occasion

Do you lie? Oh, dang. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Oh, man. I try to like not to be like lame, but I like really try not to lie only because I feel like as like a practice of like owning something honestly, you know what I mean? But that being said, you know, I'm sure I like lie all the time kind of vibe. But I like I do try to go towards like truthfulness,

you know? But when would it be? When are you going to, are you, what do you like? Like you're at the, what kind of, is it like a simple social circumstance or you know, like sorry I can't make it. I know the baby's not feeling well. Oh, no. I like listening to this podcast. I think like, you know what I mean? Like, I think lying. What's the audience?

Yeah. What's going to tell on you here? God, dang, this is a toughie, huh? I got to get right in there. We'll know if you're lying. I think there's been a couple times where my mother-in-law has come over and asked a skunk had just been through the yard. And I said, yeah, yeah, I think I did see a skunk. skunk go through the yard and I think that's what that smell is.

I think that's probably a time or two that I've lied about that. But do you know what I mean? Yeah. It smells kind of, you know, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I was a skunk, actually. I think that's something I, you know. She doesn't need to know.

Gotta be pro about. I don't know. Yeah, parenting's hard. Yeah. I'm baby I get it. Tyler, what is something you would never do again? I'll probably never run a marathon again. You ran a marathon?

I did two marathons right around. You guys were kind of around for that. I was training for one with you guys when I was, that's why you shaved my hand to a Mohawk because of my first marathon. I just realized. Do you remember you and Sophia did that at a mall? Dude.

You know what I remember? Yeah. Yeah, like the mole hang. were always kind of suss. We didn't make great decisions. Oh, no. I think about all the time. Thank God.

No iPhones. No iPhones. I mean, I just like, we just looked right through there, you know, and it was just like, wow. The last generation. That's a toughie.

What was the question? What am I talking about? You're talking about something you'll never do again. Oh, I'll never do again. Oh, um. You've already blocked it from your memory. That's how traumatic it was.

Oh, yeah, do the marathon. I'll never do that again. That's right. I did, like, two when I was younger, just as, like, I get, like, extreme about stuff. And I was like, oh, I'm going to do it. And then at the end of each marathon, I had, like, a beer and a cigarette waiting for me. And I was, like, a total, just young about it, like, no care. And then I did that for the second marathon, too.

I barely trained. I was just all cocky. And I started getting, like, pains in my knees and stuff. And I thought to myself, like, I had also, like, played football in high school or whatever. And I was like, I will never, like, run a marathon. or do any kind of extreme sports again. My new vibe is like longevity. Oh, my God.

All these answers is so soundy. But do you know what I mean? Where I'm like, I just won't, you know? I get it. If it's a walk run, I'll do a little walking. You know what I'm saying? What's that little prancer size? Oh, yeah.

That you can do where it's just a little, a little dance move while you get down. Dancy walk. Like a Florida retiree walk kind of vibe. Yeah, I would prancersize with you, but I don't run for anything. I completely back this decision. No, fuck no.

What's your like workout vibe? Like, do you, do you, like, do you do work out? Do you, like, do Pilates or something? No, I do chores. I vacuum. I can clean my own house. Farm chores. Yeah.

Yeah. All the stuff that we pay other people to do, I just do, and I'm so exhausted by the end of the day. Right. Running is so unnatural. It is. Like, what? That's like caveman stuff. You run because you're hunting something or something is chasing you.

Something's chasing you. I know. Is there nothing more privileged to jogging? slowly. We would like just like an easy yeah. No. I don't know. It's so unnatural. I don't like the competition around it. Right. It's like I'm going to run faster than you. Like it just feels like well then why don't you just run next to me? Like we just together. Why don't we just be friends? I would rather other people win just to take the pressure off because I don't want to feel like please. Every part of it freaks me out. All right. All right. All right. You've already told us what you

spend the most money on, but this is a little bit different. This is what is the strangest purchase you have made or like almost made? We'll let you fit in and almost if you need to. Oh, like I got I guess the strangest thing would be and like some people are like not into this, but like I got like real into like reading all the books about Bitcoin and bought some Bitcoin. And it's like and it's like comes with like it's literally my dirty secret because like it's so everyone like hates it and it's so dirty, but it's, like, weird, but I, like, I am so interested in it. I got, like, a second computer that I loaded, like, Linux on and I, like, with warning it from the code base.

Like, I just, like, I loved it. You know why you loved it? It's the same reason boys like Pokemon cards. And in Rome, you know, like, the Roman Empire, men are all into it. When they said that, I was like, I think about the Roman Empire almost every day. Like, I was like, I feel like, why do I think about the Roman Empire so much? But I do. Why?

Why do you, though? There's so many things that tie back to the Roman Empire that in a given day or week that you're just like, just like the Romans. I don't know why. I didn't even know I thought that. Bitcoin was the downfall of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire? I wonder. I mean, just more as like a, you know, like as a tech and something that happened, you know, I don't know politically whatever.

But it was like, that's like a strange thing I bought because I remember even when I bought like 20 bucks of it after I was, I felt like I was like, this feels so. weird. Like, I just couldn't stop thinking. It started because these like NFT companies were coming to me in 21 about doing some stuff. Oh, that was so weird. Yeah. I didn't really get into NFTs and I thought like, this is like dumb. I don't, I mean, you know, and then the more I looked into it, I was like, oh, this is cool. And then it just kept coming back to Bitcoin. And I was like, this is so interesting. It's, it's like fascinating. They have like a whole course on it that Harvard did. You can watch on YouTube. I like watch the whole thing. Yeah, it's like, it's like so fascinating. Just the technology that was invented to make it possible.

whether it should be legal or not, I don't know. Is that also something you'd never do again? What? Bitcoin? No, I would for sure. I love it. You do. You're still totally like, you're in it.

I never sold. Like, I have, I have it. And I like, I, like, follow it, like, so much. Like, I just, like, I'm fascinated by it. It's, like, so interesting. I love the difference between men and women because I have a lot of, like, female friends that, you know, there's, like, classes in Ireland and Scotland about fairies, right? And they're like, fairies are real.

Ferrys are real because I've made it my mind. They're real. And Bitcoin is that for boys. They're like, no, it's real. This money's real. You can't see it. You can't touch it. But it's real.

That's the nerd trap of it. It's so obviously it comes across so obviously it's like a scam that you're like, oh, like everyone's like learning about it always starts and like, I can't believe we're talking about it. But like, oh, that's obviously a scam. And everyone that gets into it goes for years like feeling bad. for the friend that got them into it. Like this guy who I really respect

was tell me about whatever Bitcoin for like two years. And I felt bad for him. I was like, this guy's lost his mind. And it's like really smart guy. And I feel like the pandemic must have like sent him down a rabbit hole. And now we've like lost him to the world. And then a couple of my friends kept like tell me about it.

And I was like, everyone's just everyone's going crazy. And it's like so sad. The world's like, you know, going to. And then all of a sudden there's this like moment. And you're like, oh my God. But anyway, it's just a hobby. It's like a hobby. it's a hobby it's Pokemon for grownups I love it the curiosity in you Tyler I love that

exactly no this is so sad no way oh wait a second wait a second wait a second yeah I know same thing with the marathon I was like I'll start jogging and see what happens and I'm like running a marathon of your life this is so true about you though Tyler you are so you are one of those people that like you commit to what you're into what you think your perspective your belief but you are so open handed with it you're so open to like hey change my mind Like, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But like, like, you don't wander around kind of wishy-wash about anything. But the second that you realize there's a different way of looking at something, you're like, yeah, all right, great.

I love that about you. No, I'm like wanting to be wrong. I like, I want to be wrong because I don't ever want to be wasting time in a thought that's not, I don't know. Like, can go on forever. Like if a thought or practice something, it's something that can continue to make me happier or is actually, you know, good for the world or whatever. it's like, I won out of it, you know. Yeah. This is the most revealing interview.

I swear to God, I've ever done in my life. Like, this is so crazy. The Proust questionnaire. Because they're, because they're so, like, they're such embarrassing answers. I'm being, like, so open. And there are things that I would never share with people. Normally, I can't believe.

It's just really kudos to you guys for these. Like, this is good. Digging in. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story. along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, who are your favorite writers?

Like book writers? Any kind of writer, songwriters, poetry, I don't know, stories, books. I'm reading the best book right now. What is? Oh my God, I'm obsessed with the guy who wrote it. Okay, the book, one of Pulitzer, it's called Trust, and it's written by this guy named Hernan Diaz. And I'm like, it's the, I'm so obsessed with it.

And now I'm going to start, I just finished it. I'm almost done with it last night. I'm going to start it again and by like, everything he's done and it's fiction but it's just the way he's written it is so beautiful it yeah trust by i'm typing it in it's cool because well i mean it's actually sounds kind of boring but it's beautiful and i i don't even mind as much what a story is about but how it's told you know i don't care like in the first paragraph same with the movie i don't care what the movie's about but when i'm starting movies on planes i just watched the first five minutes because if i'm not into

it in the first minute i know what this is i don't want to do this you know yeah if it's weird or people are trying to, I'm out. I don't want to do this, you know? Yeah, yeah. Not a time wasteer. What is this like basic broad strokes story of trust for the person out there that's like, do I get this? In four parts and like the first part, it tells the story about this like money manager

from like the 30s or something 20s who became like all famous. Then it's like the second part of the, it kind of tells the same story about a guy from four different perspectives. And as it goes on, it becomes this like. Like, you start to realize that it's actually not about him at all. It's about this, like, woman in his life. Wait, don't get me there. Were you giving away?

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not. But like, it's encouraging to keep reading because you almost start and finish a book four times in the book. But each time you do it, you're like revealing the same story in cooler ways and those things. But by the end, I'm just like, oh, man. And every time they keep revealing it keeps just well written. Julia Hildenbrandt, Hildenbrand, I think, did that in a, it's called We Are All the Same in the Dark. I love a, I read a lot of murder mysteries.

and it was this was like a this is a real novel it's not like a cheesy murder mystery but it's so good she she does the same thing and i don't know that i've read many books that do that where you you keep unfolding like you end the book and start a newb and yet it all ties together multiple times i love that because i think that's the same thing with life i it's like really wild when you see things from i've seen i've learned so much by being in Canada and just seeing um and I don't mean this in any kind of oh like political just culturally seeing America from a different country is so interesting and I've never not been in it I'm from southern California like you know a huge state in a huge country you know what I mean and like I never it's like they say like when that old fish swims by the young

fish they're like how's the water and the two fish are like what's water like I was like what's water you know what I mean? You get out of it and you're like, and I love that. I love seeing things from those different perspectives, seeing the same person if you're their dad or their best friend or their lover. And the different people we are to different people, that like, that blows my mind, you know. Anyway, I don't know how we're getting off on that,

but this is what I like to do. No point. No point. Just, listen, just spitballing with Tyler is the name of your show, friend. This is what I want in friendship. Just, yeah, just spitballing. Okay, we're going to get really deep right now. This one might hurt.

Are you ready? What is your biggest regret? I think, like, probably my biggest regret. There's not a ton, but, like, I turned down a lot of stuff after one tree hill and walk the line. Because I was, like, laser focused on my music. and a lot of those things like blew up a lot. And I think like I wish I'd been a little more like open to that or something. Like I was a little too myopic and at the time I didn't care at all.

And I like don't like really, but I just think, oh, if I had made some of those decisions again, I would have been like, oh, I see it in context. Like for instance, during that time, there was so many sponsorships or things like that. And I was very, very like principled. Like, do you remember on the one, trial, too, or like, I didn't have a phone. I just had a pager. Like, I was anti-tech. Oh, now I'm, like, buying Bitcoin or whatever.

I was anti-tech. I was just wanted a pager if the label needed to get a hold of me. And I was just, um, and, uh, wait, what are we talking about? Why am I talking about a page? Your greatest regrets. Oh, right. So I was just like very principal. And I was like, no to sponsorship, no to any kind of project that I perceived to be like,

not good for the world or something. And so I guess at that point, it only left my music. I was like 22 and I was like this is you know and so when things get offered to you like I don't want to be that and I think in my defense too when you're younger and you do something you do become that when you're older you don't people don't make that you as much but I think I like there was a lot of things actually would have been really fun to do that I you know I just straight was like no no it's not my vibe you know back then the culture was so different yeah like remember I was going to say just being a sellout was like the worst thing that you you could be. Yeah. And now? Well, there wasn't any crossover. Back then, there wasn't, it was like if you're going to, if you're going to be an actor, then do acting, but how could I ever become a musician if I focus on my acting? That's crazy. I have to focus on my music. It's not like it is now where everybody's just like, give us literally every single talent that you have and put it all in the exact same place and we're going to just like run with it and you create

your own empire. Back then, it was pick a lane and you stay there. And if you, you give too much too, and I felt this way as a fan, I would be oversaturated. I remember, like, there would be like, oh, when Coldplay had like a song come out in a commercial, it was like a big, like, whoa, they're selling out. Nobody licensed songs to commercials. Now it's like the only way musicians make money is to license their music. Anyway, weird things like that. And I also didn't expect Warner to go through this crazy thing where I didn't put out a record

for 10 years. So obviously hindsight's 2020, but if I had to go back, I'd be like, great. like this record company is going to freeze up for like eight years. Let's do a bunch of acting stuff. And I loved it. At the time, I was like, no, I'm not an actor. I'm like, I'm a musician. But like it's like some of the most fun I ever have is being on set.

I love it. I have such a part. When and where were you happiest then when you think about? Is it those times when you were on tour or? And that's a great question. I mean, I guess maybe it's now you have a baby. But like, I don't know. Is this more of like a behind?

before now, when and where were you happiest? It could be now. Yeah, no, that's like a great, a great question. I like, I've started to realize that I love group projects and group activities. I love being on the road with people. I like being part of a team. I love, I love being part of a cast. You know, it feels like a circus. You're there. You become family really quick. And then everyone leaves and something else happens. But I love that. That's like, so I think when I'm working with a group, it's really fun. I felt that way also making this record like jaco who you know we've been making music together for i mean he's like yeah one of my best friends and we're still doing it and so i often think actually that my happiest place

other than you know me the dad i mean holl but like i think my happiest place is honestly being behind jaco pacing around manically with music ideas while he's at the computer there's something that's like that's where it all happens i'm just like walk around like okay like we need a clarinet here and like what if we do like and i'm just and he's like Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's my happy place, I feel like, you know. Yes. I actually told the therapist that recently.

I think he was like, where are you happiest? And I was like, it's honestly pacing behind my friend Jocko as we're coming up with music. That's my happy place. You've always been really good at collaboration. Like, you value what the other person is giving because you, and then you make that other person feel like their input is making you better. You know, like you share nice. You can tell that you had siblings. Like you're a good sharer, Tyler.

Nice. Well, I appreciate it. It's not hard because I feel like I'm learning a lot, especially from you guys. But that's cool. All right. Well, here's another downer. I'm getting the downers.

What is something that you really dislike? Oh, my God. You don't hate technology anymore. You're fake money. I hate double standards. Oh, my. There is something, oh, my God, that makes me just like. Curringe.

I don't know what it is. There's something, and it's weird because there's not a lot of things that, like, get my whatever. But if someone just arbitrarily makes a decision because they feel like it and it's like, whatever, I could lose my mind. There's just something about that, you know. Otherwise, it's like, oh, whatever, it's all good. But somebody being like purposefully, I don't. I don't know. I don't know.

Entitled? Yeah. Purposely entitled or like malicious or something like that really, really jars me, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That's something I just hate. Okay.

Well, then what or who is the greatest love of your life? Love of my life? Yeah. We're bouncing around. It's like, happy, sad, happy sad. Meg, for sure. Yeah, yes. Great.

I mean, is that what you're, imagine? I was like, oh, there's actually, there's really, God, it's actually my mom. Yeah, can you imagine? Well, some people might say their child or some people might say like a thing that they do, like a career path or something, you know, I mean, there's no judgment on any answer. We're just curious. Megan was going to pop up in the Zoom and be like, gosh, she's been listening this time.

How dare you? Like Megan. I think like Megan has been like the great like love of my life. honestly like we we have been like she's been like the through line through so many tylers i guess and is that kind of person that can update her thinking you know what i mean and as she grows and as i grow and so much good is like come from it aside from just like love like we're like really good collaborators um and i think like our daughter is like the coolest person i've ever met so i'm like it's so crazy that like we made that you know so i i really do

think that she is um you know i would choose her and that whole thing like oh even over my music and that kind of stuff you know it's like it's my vibe but awesome oh i'm all right with that the right answer bingo bingo no but i just love that you guys met so young like literally racing to the office today to tape this i ran into a couple that i know in town here he's 91 dick and barbara schreiber he's 91 she's like 16 years younger which is why she always liked me and geoffrey because we were a age gap and they are celebrating their 51st wedding anniversary and that is just nutty to me unless you've been with someone since you were in your really really early 20s you know like you and meg will get there that's crazy to me it is really really crazy and you hear something like that too

and knowing that all the stuff that goes into whatever even just knowing yourself but then adding like another person in there it's like it's a lot you know but it's cool how many years has it been so far oh my god well i met we met we started dating when i was like 22 so like you know and it's like i think in a lot of ways like dangerous to meet that young because there's like who no you know there's like so many ways that you could go but at the same time i guess if you can go through all that with somebody then you'll probably be able to go through whatever happens between 30 and 60 or 70 or whatever, you know. 91.

91. I mean, I feel like we have these people say midlife crisis, but I think what, every 10 years or so, we have like whatever that age is is hard right or hard left, you know? Well, every cell in your body changes over the course of seven years. So every seven years, you are on a cellular level, a completely different human. And to think about now, like, what even is marriage or why do people stay married or what's the point or what are you trying to do? what's the model for it like as long as living now and as like I always forget is secular

the non-religious one or nonsense yeah yeah secular is religious secular is non-religious not religious you know so like if you're you know in a secular kind of marriage what's the point and you have to kind of keep like you know or you know the vibe it's just I think in a lot of ways we're like pioneers in this day and age of like what a relationship is because there's so little to go on from the past in a lot of ways. I mean, so, so few similarities, you know, those people that were married 50 years, did they have TikTok, you know, or whatever, like, no many things. Did they have thirst traps that they had to do with? Or, no, I mean, or whatever the, you know, just a different vibe, you know. And not that that's, you know, I'm being like, you know,

but it's crazy. I love it. You're, you're such an armchair philosopher at all times. It's one of my favorite things about you. It's great. Oh my god. We know you want to be like the best singer and musician, but I'm going to make you pick something different. Um, which other talent would you most like to have? Oh, you know what I love to be good at? Fixing shit. Oh, yeah. But you know who's not good at that? Me. And I've like, my dad's a, you know, construction his whole life. Like, I should have that, you know. I want to be that kind of guy. It's like, I just know. I do it. No, I always mess it up I got tools I've tried

You know like I'm always mess it up And I think if you could have one skill I mean everybody should have Like being really good at fixing shit Oh I'll figure out that door jam Whatever you know whatever the deal is That's cool I wish I could do that That'd be dope

You've got the haircut for it right now You could play a contractor I look like I'd be good at construction Yeah Look like I'd be into cars And like construction So this is like probably where you're the most similar to Chris Keller

if we think about it because he's definitely one of those guys would be like, I can fix that for you. Probably the most realistic overlap would be the scene where we were doing the fire in the kitchen. That's probably really when Tyler started entering the chat.

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Okay, so I guess this would also maybe be the same answer, but you got to find something different. If you could change one thing about yourself. I'd really like to be a little more chill. Like, I'm starting to realize that I'm like, the things that have been like my superpower or like my, like, maybe like charming manicness or something, hopefully, you know, but like like, I mean, hopefully it's like charming or whatever, but like I think there's like this thing in me that's so and it makes things tough, you know, and I like envy people that aren't that way

and Megan's not that way. My good friend Eric's not that way. Like, you know, you find a lot of people that are opposite, but I have, I would like to be able to sit still more, you know, I don't. You know, my happy place is pacing behind Jocko, you know, like that's my vibe, you know. And I, And I'm starting to feel that being kind of exhausted mentally, not something I can necessarily do forever. And I'd love to be like, chill. Have you tried marijuana? It's the skunk in the yard.

Oh, that's a skunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The skunk problem. Doesn't that melanch you out? No, it probably just works him up. He's all like, oh man, I got all these crazy ideas about internet money now. Oh, my God, imagine. Paranoid for the next hour.

Okay, I don't think you need to be more chill But I see what you're saying Were you like a hyper kid? Well, actually, and not to be whatever, I like I think there is a thing in me That feels like the unspoken thing in the room Is Tyler needs to chill out a little bit You know what I mean?

And that's actually interesting to hear you think I've never thought that once But that's funny Because actually then maybe the next step We're deeper for me is like Oh, that's something that I'm thinking Like it isn't too much Because it's not that I can't keep it up

Sometimes I worry that, you know, I have to. Well, when you leave the room, you're like, God, I sucked all the oxygen out of the room. They're probably talking about how relieved they are that I'm gone because that's my process anytime I leave a space. I'm like, oh, they're probably so relieved. I'm gone right now because I'm hyper. Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe I'm like, I'm exhausted of me, so everybody else must be exhausted or whatever. It is wild to like start to realize like, yeah, anyway. That's so funny.

I've never once thought about that, thought that about either of you. Yeah. We have that. You know, we've got our own narratives that go on in our brains and they're so real to us. Yeah. Okay. Oh, what do you consider your greatest achievement? God, dang.

That is wild. There's like two things that I'll think about. Like, I think like, oh, my God, I don't even know. there's I think in some ways being in walk the line was a huge highlight for me because of how big of an Elvis fan

I was as a kid and what like a fairy tale that happened to be and like what it taught me it taught me so many it was my first step into the industry at all of film and television

and I learned so much and I think like the fact that I learned that by being Elvis in this thing was like I'm starting to really like believe more and more in like things being meant to be or they're being signs because things are too weird you know and this might be why everyone gets more religious as they get older but like you start to realize that there are some patterns that just are just weird you know

I don't know if it's like an accomplishment but just like a Cinderella moment for sure that I look back and back I can't believe that happened and then a small thing is the A record I put out in 2019 was called City on Fire. And I thought it was like the best thing I'd like ever done musically. And I had, it's so hard to get a record done and out. Because it's like a move where the first 80% of it goes quick and is fun. And the last 20% is clearing out the junk drawer. And you're like, I don't know what to do with this stuff.

And it takes like five days. That's how a record is. It's like all the annoying stuff's at the end. I remember when it came out, I like had this moment where I was like, looked up at the sky. I was like by myself. And I was like, I am so. grateful that this album is out like I did it like I wrote these songs I put them out and now

they're out there and no matter if I die or get into carics or whatever they're out there forever you know and I did it and there's so many things that don't get out there that like when it does get like like your book or like so many you know these it's just like you know how hard it is to have something go from idea to act that's why I don't even care if it takes off or if people respond just having it out is such you did it and I felt that with the last record i was like well that's what that's what is driving me to do try to do like a record a year from now on is because it's such an important practice for me but and it's it's like an impossibility every time i started i'm like this is impossible this will never happen this is too much you know

it's big hill yeah okay if you were going to die and come back as a person or thing what would it be the hawk the hawk no no seriously what would you come back as i think uh i don't know I haven't really thought about it. I guess it would be cool to like come back as a woman just to like check that out. It would be kind of. It's real cool, Tyler. I feel like it would be cool. Or maybe, you know, but I would just like that would be a vibe more than like coming back as like a cool insect or something.

But I don't know. I guess like being a, I have no desire to be a chick. You know, this is like something I could freely do now, I guess if I wanted to, you know, but I just think it would be cool to check it out. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, you just come back. and try on a different set of hardware, you know? Wouldn't it be a guy again or like...

Or dog or a tree? A sequoia. Yeah. A sequoia's cool. It's kind of boring, you know? Yeah. Just stand there. My friend talked to a psychic or whatever.

He was like, this is weird. I just talked to this psychic and they just, and he's right after my grandma died. And he's like, the psychic wanted me to tell you that this guy, Tyler, his grand. his grandma's here and she says she just got here and there's not a lot going on and she's kind of bored and I was like

that is so my grandma to say the one that had the TV on all the time this guy right and anyway that's what I was going to say is when I think of Sequoia or something like that

I think I'd be too bored and I think I'll be like my grandma when I eventually die I'm sure whatever purgatory happens for a second I'll be like what are we doing here are we heaven

are my woman like I Where you'll be pacing? I was going to say, where are you going to go pace? My God, making a record of God. Hey, man, can we get the tempo up? Yeah, I get that. All right. Do you have something in your life that is just so easy?

I feel like we know the answer to this, that you know it's exactly what you should be doing with your life. So easy. It just comes so naturally. You know what? I mean, obviously like, you know, music or whatever, writing, but I'm starting to realize that my skill in talking to people I don't know is really coming into handy in Canada, it's a little more of a reserved culture, very nice, but not like

a lot of people mixing. And as we're trying to make new parent friends and stuff, I'm getting right in there and just being like, what's up? How are you guys doing? Like trying to find the parents and then make a friend with them, you know? And I don't think if I had done that, this would be happening because everyone's very like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, after you. No, please. You know, and I have to kind of get in there and it is very easy for me to it's harder for me to probably get like personal with people I don't know but easy for me to be like you know get the ball rolling what are you and Megan looking for in your parent friends at school like when you're scanning the room you just know it when you see it there's nothing particular it's this you know it when you see

it like I don't there I wish there was a pattern so I could be like we need to select but just like that they have our vibe that's our vibe you look for the parents with the tattoos You're like, what'd you get into? Yeah, what's going on here? Yeah. Okay, where would you most like to live? You could pick anywhere in the world. Where would you want that to be?

Here. Like, I like love where we are in Canada. We're like in like small farm town kind of vibe. And I love it. I mean, like if we could live like on a lake or something somewhere, it'd be great. But the schools all seem to not be great in like, you know, vacation areas. But like, I love where we are.

right like we're on like a little river we got some land hawks are eating shit out there i think this is good for right now you know that's great i'm telling you winnie is going to come inside one day with that thing on her arm like mom dad i got a pet i know doing falconry or whatever yeah yeah i love that so so much all right uh this is our last question okay and then we're going to talk about what you have going on right now What is your most treasured possession? Ooh, that's a good one. He's looking around at guitars.

I am. I know. I was like, which guitar? That's what I was actually like just. It's not like, my granddaddy's pocket watch. It's like, which guitar? Yeah.

I think like this guitar would be like my most price possession, only because guitars are like so not similar. Every single one is different. And if you get a. vibe with something, don't change it. And I've had this guitar since I was like 19 and I just like, I beat it up. I never take care of it. I treat it poorly and it's always there for me.

And I don't know why. It's one of those things where like a lot of things in life, I hate to say this, my pattern has been when I really want to take care of something, it doesn't work. It's only when I'm just like indifferent to it that it is allowed in my presence to be its vibe. I don't know why. That's always the way it is. And this guitar is an example of that. like I couldn't care less about it and it's never left me.

It's like always sounds good. And because the reason I got this guitar, this is like typical in my life. We're going to do TRL for the first time with you guys. Uh-huh. It had given me this brand new brown and orange guitar. I was so obsessed with it. I flew to New York.

I took it off the plane and it had broken in half. What? More TRL. So I hear this beautiful guitar is that I was obsessed with. I was going to spend my whole career just aging with broke. Before like my first big. thing Ontario. They took me to the showroom and they gave me this loaner. And I've had it now for 20 years or whatever. And I'm what I mean. We're like stuff like that. Like I only have so much of a

choice. And then the rest of it just gets decided for me. Yeah. I mean. And that was just handed to me as a loner. And it's like been my guitar forever. I love it. It's like the giving tree. Like remember that kids book where the low boy like plays with the tree and then abandons it and then chops it down and stuff and the tree just keeps providing for him. That guitar's your giving tree, baby. That book and I'll love you forever, no matter how long I'll be. I'm like, dude,

that's way too heavy right now. Like, they're really writing those books for the parents. They're like, here's a little bit of trauma for you to process while you're putting your kids to sleep. Yeah, the kid's already asleep and you're like crying. Talk to us about what you have going on right now, though, because there's

some exciting movement happening. So since that, I did that score. So the score for Megan's movie is like really like nostalgic sounding. Like we were going for like 90s nostalgia movie score. So lots of strings, clarinets, like really. And then the album that I made right after that is the same thing. So it's just like I got real into playing clarinet and I bought a cello. And so I've been learning.

Wait, how do you know how to play clarinet? Sixth grade. Sixth savant. Just teaches himself anything. You know, just like, just like band or whatever. And then I asked a fan on Twitter or asked everyone on Twitter, in one of a clarinet I could have as a joke and a fan did and they sent it to me. So I got this clarinet.

Yeah, and I used it on the whole score and the album. And anyway, so the song, When It Rains just came out a couple days ago. And then I'll have another song from the record come out in November. And then the whole record will drop in March, like March 16th or something. I love hearing you do new things. You're always doing new things. Tyler Hilton, when it rains, that's out now, wherever you listen to music. And the cover of it is a picture of Megan Fishing.

when she was like nine or something. That's the single cover, whatever. I thought it was Winnie. I thought it was your daughter. I know. Wouldn't that be? She's almost that tall. I just love it.

Buddy, it's really nice to hear that you're in this phase of your life where everything is just getting softer and more comfortable. And, you know, you're just getting to ease into enjoying things. As opposed to, we were all groomed to hustle. and be about the hustle. And so it's really nice to see you as a lifelong friend be in this phase of just being comfortable. Well, I appreciate that.

We know the hustle has shifted to parenting, which is actually the craziest hustle I've ever been a part of. It's like who are managing a drunk psycho, I've realized all the time. But it's like that you're obsessed with. You know, it's wild. But no, I love it. And I want to save all my energy for that. And, you know, I love talking to you.

Love talking to you too. The PTA is going to hit you up to perform at every fundraiser. Oh, yes. I can't wait. Every tool we applied to us like, you know, I play music. I can come in and play for the kids. That's the same. You know, so.

I love it. All right, you guys, stick around, listen to Tyler's newest song. And we will catch you very soon, honey. I love you, Tyler. So great to see you. Great to see you. Bye, bye, guys. Bye, honey.

falling down pouring all around me slow at first then starts to burst like a drum-core warning well sometimes I feel like one in a million a man against the mess when it rains it's strange I ain't complaining that it washed away the past. When it rains and I'm looking back on us once upon a time. My life seemed longer and love seemed longer and love seemed deep. easier and you still felt like mine well sometimes I feel like one in a million a man against the mess when it rains it's strange and I ain't complaining that I wash away the past When it rains like it's doing ever, the sounds seem to me.

It's rearranged till I hear your name and it's calling it to me Well, I feel like a one in a million A man against the mess When it rains it's strange I ain't complaining Let it wash away the past When it rains it's strange

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