Drama Queens - A Day to Remember ᐧ EP518

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

This episode was wild and Hilarie, Sophia and Joy enjoyed every bit, all over again. The euphoria, jealousy, knowledge and everything else it packed left the girls feeling like kids again. However, there was one thing that they forgot about. Was the shock of it enough to send all those feelings crashing down? Buckle up because it's a rollercoaster ride for sure.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, you guys remember when Liquid Ivy became a sponsor of Drama Queen's and sent us a whole bunch of Liquid Ivy? Yeah. Thankfully, I brought a bottle of it with it down to record because I need to hydrate after this episode. It was massive. I loved it. I loved it, too. This was wild. It was jam-packed.

This is maybe the first time that we've done a podcast where I'm concerned we might not. have enough time to get to everything. Yeah. This was packed. This episode was wild. I mean, I loved it. I fucking loved this episode. And you know that's hard for me to say because Voldemort wrote it and directed it.

And so it is worth noting that sometimes someone who's truly awful can make fantastic things. And this episode is one of them. It's a fucking bop, man. I love it. Yeah, I really did too. Every second. Every second. And I mean.

Talk about starting on a high note, opening on Jackson singing our theme song and then realizing he's singing with Gavin de Graas. Like, I die. My heart exploded and fell onto the floor. It was a great setup for how the whole episode was going to go. There was something a little avant-garde about everything. The fact that that was a completely out of time, out of space moment, Gavin and Jamie are never going to meet. That's not a thing that's ever going to happen in the universe of One Tree Hill. Gavin's not even like a character on our show.

Yeah. So setting it up with, like, setting it up with that combination that was just had nothing to do with any storyline, but felt so dropped into the heart of our show immediately. Mm-hmm. It was a great setup. It was so sweet. And then into Luke in the bar with the cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. Yeah. And even Joe the dog.

You know, we just celebrated our 20th anniversary. And of all of the retrospectives that were written about our show, the one, you know, that was in like variety was the craziest things that happened on one tree hill. Like everybody else when their show hits a milestone gets love letters and we get, you know, the, can you believe they did this? And for me, we got made fun of so much over the tenure of our show, whether it was on the soup or any other show or like other shows picking on us. We were always the one that was picked on. And so at a certain point, we just started owning it. And I love this surrealist scene where, to your point, like, Jamie's never going to hang out by himself in the red bedroom record studio space and hang out with this, like, traveling musician. We just kind of threw our hands up at this point.

It's the end of season five. And we're like, we're just going to do whatever we like, bye. And thank God for those of you at home that came along for the ride. and we're in on the joke. Like, thank you guys for supporting it because, you know, we felt not necessarily supported by the media, but supported by

our fans. And obviously, that has longer staying power. Clearly. Yeah. You guys are the best. This is, it's an amazing ride. I did not know that was Joe, the dog. I thought it was a goat. What? Stop, Joy.

Joy, we lived with that. dog in base camp for a year. I know. I don't know why. I just saw it. And my brain said, why is there a goat in a bar? A goat. And I just was like, hey, it's fitting.

Great. And let's keep going. That drunk montage was perfect. It was just very funny. Perfect. How fun for Chad. He was wonderful in this episode. Yeah.

I... His acting kind of went to another level this season. I don't know if he was... I know he was taking class. as in L.A. I think he went to L.R.ie Moss for a while. And I don't know if that was before or after whatever, but I remember him talking about that. And I just feel like there was something showing up, like he was dropped into his body a lot more than I had seen even before. He was great in this. Really still. Like, this is not an energy I feel like I'm used to from

Lucas anyway. It's crazy how similar he is to like Keith in this episode, right? Except everywhere that Keith zigged, Lucas is going to zag. And, yeah, seeing him in the moment making choices was interesting. I feel like they also gave him material that, like, felt a little more real and human. Like, everything Lucas has been going through, he's less of an archetype of, you know, the poet, the hero. And he's a guy. he's a guy who's struggling and and I feel like yeah to your point joy it's like you get to see him you see chat as an actor having things to bring in and like even the montage that they shot

of him at the bar he looks like himself he doesn't look like he's playing another person yeah you know like he's wearing his own hat and his own sunglasses and like it's it's like funny it feels really with his own dog. Yeah, his own dog. Like, I don't know. People at home might not know who Joe is. Oh, Joe. Good point.

Epic dog. He was our mascot. He was like our trailer mascot. Joe was a really good dog. Really good dog. And I think that's how I met Chad. It was like, who the fuck has a dog running around base camp? Oh, it's this guy, you know?

Yeah. That was his bait when he was talking to chicks. Like, oh, if you met my dog. dog um i yeah there was so much of uh there were there were there was so many easter eggs in this episode like joe like members of our crew popping up i just felt like it was a yearbook like it just feels warm and fuzzy like the end of the school year that's great it was totally a yearbook yeah seeing our crew in the scenes with mouth in the end i feel like they're always crew jumping in as extras in the hospital scenes whenever people are walking around

exactly that we're so used to seeing people passing by but there was something even about like scott hardwick and jim nelson being in the the news um station like they they felt like characters they had things to do they weren't just walking by in the background filling in and it yeah everything does feel a little surrealist gavin and jackson and and all of those people and joe and all i don't know it's like we brought some things in because we just wanted to, I guess. It was like the River Court, Nathan, at Lucas and Haley, getting more of that best friend energy, the rooftop again that we saw several times. The water balloons, I mean, oh my gosh.

Okay, should we go in order or? Let's go in order, guys. It's so much we're never going to fit it in. Oh my God, you guys, we haven't even given people the synopsis. Oh my gosh, we keep getting to do this. Okay, Sophia, you've been out, so you read the synopsis. Okay, okay. Episode 518, What Comes After the Blues, Originally aired May 19th, 2008.

Angie is heading back to her family, which obviously leaves Brooke devastated. Lucas deals with the fallout of his actions following his Game Night Scuffle. Haley has a musical breakthrough, and Peyton is reeling from the blow of Lucas saying that he hates her. Nathan and Jamie face their fears together. It's not written into the synopsis, but also Mouth and Millie have such good stuff in this episode. struggling with the blowback of being a human and Millie being such an incredibly supportive partner. Yes.

Yeah. And like Dan's waiting on a heart. This is a very short synopsis. This feels weird. But there's a lot for us to talk about, clearly. I mean, this whole episode could have been a whole season of a show today. Like normally we do like six to eight episodes now. This whole episode could have been six to eight episodes.

Yeah, they just stretched it all out. Yeah. I was obsessed with this opening montage. Not just chat at the bar drinking, but the Girl Scouts, the water balloon, the table with the old men playing chess, Millie walking through the street with her high heels and the balloons just missing her and she just keeps plowing through. It was so good. Yeah. Yeah. It was precision montage.

It was gorgeous. Let's talk about Peyton on the roof. Girl, I had no idea when we were watching the balloons that it was Peyton. the whole time I'm thinking it's like Jamie or like Lucas yeah I thought it was like somebody else I thought he was up there

drowning his feelings taking shops throwing water balloons people and it was you Peyton hates everyone oh listen at least she's not

self-sabotaging anymore now she's just community sabotaging which feels like a healthy evolution but it's like with bubbles like the most innocent I wrote this

on her version of being angry and angsty, but it's so innocent. It's the, I'm not actually trying to hurt anybody. I just am mad and this is a safe way for me to take it out on everyone, which feels nice. After everything we've walked through with Peyton over the years and seen

her, her, in a, in genuinely dark places. It's the true definition of emo. It's like, I'm mad, but I'm harmless. I, I, I just, I remember filming everything but the water balloons, you guys. Like all the stuff with us in the recording studio, I totally remember.

I remember all the stuff with Chad, like all of that. Like it was yesterday. And somehow the water balloons escaped me. And that was one of my favorite parts of this episode. They were aggressive throws. They really were. How are you going to attack a bunch of Girl Scouts? Honestly, I loved it.

playing chess. I just thought the whole montage was so, so good. And the slow-mo is used so effectively in this episode. Like all those sweet little Girl Scouts getting hit with those balloons. And then later, if we fast forward when Jamie's in his little water wings, like there's something about these moments happening in slow motion. I don't know. I've really, really liked it.

The Girl Scout uniform is even a call back to season one when Tim and Nate. do the little Girl Scout Dare Night Challenge, you know? Was that one or two? So many little Easter eggs. Let's see if we can find them all. The fans are going to know if we miss some. They're going to be like,

you guys. Seeing things, the whole way the montage went, I loved that they let that whole song play out and really let us catch up without having to hear anything but music. Like, even Deb and Skills.

Right? The soundtrack in this episode was so good. Deben's skills being on the sneak. You know, you said it, Millie walking through the water balloons unfazed. Like that gave me when I was thinking it was Lucas. I was like, oh, he must have been up there for days. Like, she just doesn't even care at this point. She's used to walking into work to this.

And Lisa just looks so good in that scene. She has this, like, hilarious confidence about her. Her physicality is, like, simultaneously very elegant and very funny. and then you have that cut, talk about physicality to James like double dribbling two basketballs through the gym. Hillary, are you okay? No, sports. I, listen, we're going to get to the sports of it all.

Okay, because that was, that was beyond sports. That was like a spiritual experience, seeing him dribbled two basketballs at the same time. I was like, what in the hell? My soul. What in the hell? No, Millie had like big Wes Anderson energy. Yes. Oh, good call. Yes. Loved it.

Lisa needs to be in a Wes Anderson movie. She's just so plucky. And then I love that it comes out of the music on Jamie looking at Lucas saying, I think you drink too much. And then the reveal, which is a great callback to him saying it to his dad at the beginning of the season. Yes. I forgot about that too. Egg. Egg. You're so good. I think you drink too much. And the Mohawk. The Mohawk is great. It's so funny.

What was that about? Did Chad just want to cut his hair? Like, it must have been, right? I mean, at that point, we were all, like, having to ask permission for every little thing. So I think, yeah. Yeah, he probably wanted to cut his hair, right? I think he looked great. I loved the haircut.

I've never shaved anybody's head before. That was my first time shaving someone's head. Yeah, I was really nervous. Oh, yeah. Well, and on camera. I know. One take, baby. One take.

It was fun, though. That was a sweet scene between. you guys i like the quotes we have lots of quotes in this episode too and we'll i think if we go in order then the first one here is nathan saying the darkness doesn't have any answers luke yeah i thought that was that was really nice that also felt like a bit of a call back to season one and when we were there were all these sort of epic poetic quotes throughout the season yeah and they gradually got less and less as that we just had more storylines and more people to fill but i i liked There's a few really good ones in here.

Well, I felt the ghost of Keith all over this episode. And that is absolutely that something that Keith would have said to Lucas, like leaning over the hood of a car, right? Just the darkness doesn't have any answers. And to see Lucas in the very same position that Keith was in, when he got totally humiliated, stood about at the altar, you know. and the chick didn't want him back, and now he's making a mess of his life,

and he's drinking like his Uncle Keith, and, you know, who's going to pull you out of that hole? So I love that it was Nathan. I love that Nathan and Haley are the friends, you know, that Karen was to Keith when he was in that situation. It's a nice little generational recall. I think you're right about the ghost of Keith being all over it because that is why Dan is so insane, legitimately, and he's gone insane.

He's crossed over into a total, like, cloud cuckoo land, and everything that he's saying is the way he's talking to this guy, holding up a card that the guy can't see, he's like shaking his head up and down, he's interacting with this person as though they're awake. I mean, Paul really commits to it, but it's, there's nothing normal about this behavior at all, but it's all stemming from the moment that he killed his brother. And it's like, oh, could he kill again? Is he going to do something else again?

He's just trying to find redemption, trying to find his way. And it's all coming from Keith, from what happened with Keith. Yeah. That is the umbrella over the episode, I think. You're right, Hill. Well, and isn't it interesting if you think about it that way, we feel his presence and Dan is really driven mad by his absence. and it's such an interesting thing

how someone can be gone but still so much a part of your life Dan's dealing with like the telltale heart right now like he is losing his marbles and I was watching this episode when Dan is all like come on pastor just die and also die

and then it would be cool if you would die it's just this like emotional roller coaster that Dan's doing And all I could think is, I bet Sarah Paulson would do a really good job playing Dan Scott. Like, in my head, I was like, who else can do this bat shit stuff? I just want to see other actors get to do that. Crazy thing. Yeah.

Yeah. It was so up and down. And you're right, Paul committed, which was a lesson he taught us all the time. Yeah. Like, don't have ass it. Get in there. Make it real. Well, you have to when you're, it's so ridiculous.

Why is a hospital allowing number two on the heart transplant list to be alone in the room with number one? Dude. It's a conflict of interest. Sophia, what are the real rules in a hospital? Yeah, go. Yeah, by the way, none of any of this is based in any semblance of reality. Also, you would never know who else was on the list. Like, it's such a violation of someone's hipper rights.

You can't. It's so crazy to be like, oh, yeah, well, that guy's won ahead of you. Like, they would never. You should trip him. Yeah. Yeah. It's insanity. I really like it.

I mean, they straight up handed that man a pillow. They were like, do you want to make the Reverend more comfortable? Good on that actor for keep it a straight face. I really wanted him to open his eye. eyes. I kept wanting him to just open his eyes. If he could just open one eye, just a little like, wikadick-a-dick. A little side eye for Dan. Be like, excuse me, hello?

Yeah, and then where's the reverend's real congregation and real family? Can you imagine them coming in being like, uh, hey? Yeah, he's a reverend of what the hell kind of a congregation and family. They don't, they never show up. No one shows up. Also, all I could think was that the woman playing the nurse who was acting with Paul. I was like, guys, come on, nurses know everything that's going down at the hospital. There is no way this woman would be like, oh, you want to adjust his head?

Here's a pillow. Like, please. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel odd. very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the

podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, we had Brooke and baby Angie set up for a dream day at the beach, and by the way, you looked. By the way. Fucking hot. bless you spectacular

oh thanks I can see the discomfort on my face when I have to walk out just being like I gotta do this scene with a baby in my underwear they were like

you know how we can get Sophia naked give her a baby make it seem wholesome she's taking a baby to the beach here we go who takes a baby that has like a wound from heart surgery to the beach

or there's like Sand and dirt. So stupid. We're trying to avoid infection. Let's take her to the beach. The pure humor of them just being like, we don't know what to do with her. We're going to make her say she's going to ask Lucas to give her a baby.

Then we're going to realize that didn't go well and pretend we never said it. Then we're going to make it very clear that she's trying to help Peyton get Lucas back. But it's the end of the season. And it'll be way more dramatic if people wonder if he's calling one, a three women instead of one a two so let's throw brook's name back in the ring like we like joe when you come early in the episode and you're like whoever it is luke is it is it linds it paden is it brook i went

what like what brook's not involved in any of this yeah every time they try to involve me nobody likes it and then we stop and then every time there's something where they think they need more drama i'm in and i'm like this is this we're in we're out we're out it's it's i have whiplash yes yes i know brook's not going to vegas to get married to lucas but i wouldn't put it past him in that moment to call her and be like you know what look it's just not working out for either of us anywhere why don't we just get together let's just go guys we all made those packs we all made those packs when i was writing my book i went through all my old journals right and i found a contract that i had with some dude where if we weren't married by the

the time we were like 30 or 35 we stated that we were going to marry each other and my signatures on this thing and some dude's signatures on this thing and for the life of me I don't know who it is I cannot decipher the signature but that's something that like that we would do with our guy friends is be like is it from that movie the Julia Roberts movie my best friend's wedding yes y'all I need to somebody to come read the signature and tell me who it was, because I'm sorry it didn't work out. What a testament to the things that we think are so certain and solid when we're young. I mean, probably things we even think now and then, you know, look 30 years in the future.

Like, I feel like every generation or so, every few decades, you got to like reassess because you really do. Well, and the reality is there are all sorts of things you can think are true today. and in a year you don't know you just don't know it's like Brooke and Lucas

are totally the people to have that kind of arrangement though yeah for sure yeah yeah because Lucas and Haley could never I think they would just be grossed out but definitely Lucas and Brooke

yeah I feel like those two in like in the ways that they're both a little emo would just be like listen we have these weird lives and nothing we seem to want to work out is working out and maybe there's a

a reason everybody keeps asking us if we're into each other. Should we try again? Like, I think they would just get so practically tired that they might be game. I just always find it so funny when I see, it's like I can see the writers going, we got to drum up some more drama. Yeah. Well, you had tons of drama in this episode. I mean, and in the last few, you've been a big bucket of emotions. And again, a fabulous interaction with Dr. Cutie. And, uh, Unfortunately, when the silence sets in. I never saw him again. Hello?

I was like, oh, here it comes. When the silence sets in, Brooke, I was like, he's going to say, call me. And then he was like, be proud of what you did for this baby. I was like, what the fow? What's pride going to get me? Give me your number. We all boo hissed that one. We're like, Chris.

Chris, Ethan, come on. This is the moment where you ask her out. Yeah, I really, I'm so confused as to why he didn't come back. because that was his last episode. I just don't get it. Do you remember anything about this? Well, I'm unsure, but I do know in the times where we spill the tea, I do know that this was really getting us into the era where Voldemort really didn't like there being guys around because there were, you know,

girls on our show who were single who he was trying to make moves on and he didn't want them to have options so oh my god yeah slim pickings because guess what I was single by this episode by this episode my hair is different my makeup's different because for the first time in the entire history of one tree hill Hillary Burton was single and I was ready to mingle and you looked beautiful you were glowing, your hair. And I looked around and I was like, wow. The playing field seems sparse. Pickens, babe.

Yeah, but then why even hire him in the first place? Like, why bring him in just to tease us and then give us no follow through? Well, maybe he thought we would hate him and we didn't. Everybody liked him and he went, ooh, he's got to go. Well, I'm sorry that that happened because I really wish Brooke had been able to have that story. Brooke should have dated a hot doctor, honestly. Yes. It would have been nice for her.

Yeah, definitely. An adult that, like, gave her good advice. Like, when the silence sets in, know that you've done a lovely thing, Brooke. So they relied on you a lot for a lot of the comedy just in the show in general. I think Brooke brought, you know, so much levity. Did you enjoy doing this, like, arc where it was pretty much all drama all the time? Or did it feel like, was it?

it exhausting and you missed being giggly? I mean, I do. I love doing the sort of comedic relief as Brooke. I always really enjoyed that. That was how, you know, she was pitched to me. I think what I enjoyed about this was her having a storyline that didn't revolve around a man. Just felt nice. You know, it was hard on some days, as it always is. working with the baby and then at other times it was sort of great it was like you know we were so used to doing like 16 17 hour days and you can't work hours like that with a baby so like I had some free time for the first time in five years I was like well I have to go home when the baby goes home bye like I kind of loved that practically but yeah I don't know I didn't mind it what really

makes me feel cringy and I remember it was like how hard they wanted me to push being broken when I have to give the baby back and like they wanted me sobbing in that airport and I was like this feels really over the top like guys I get that she's attached but I've had this baby for what like three weeks

or something like they wanted you to go full nanny carry yeah well that was the thing I was like this feels like we're getting into like nanny carry territory like single white female territory like territory The hand that rocks the cradle. Yeah. Or if you've had a kid that you're fostering and it's been like a year.

Yes, of course. Yes. But three weeks. But like, I don't know. It just felt so extreme. And so I remember, like, as soon as I saw it happening and I'm supposed to like, just boohoo and sob and then turn around and see Lucas. Like, I was like, God, I hated it then and I hate watching it now because I just, I don't know.

I didn't feel like it was. right. Oh, I didn't mind it. I liked it. I mean, I thought you did a really, like, sincere job of being upset, kind of in the same way. Like, remember when we were kids and we would leave summer camp and that last day of camp, we'd cry so hard. Yeah. Because we're like, we're never going to see these people again. So it wasn't like the world was ending, but it was just like, I loved this bubble. This bubble was so nice. Brooke just got to be in a baby bubble. It worked for me because it felt to me like it wasn't so much about specifically Angie as Brooke had found something to pour herself into that was not her work. It wasn't her ability to accomplish something. Nobody was relying on her for her brains or business acumen or creativity. It was like just her presence. Her actual physical presence was so meaningful.

and to have the one thing that, to have that taken away, the thing that's giving you, it's like telling you, you're valuable just because you exist and your presence is here. And when that goes away, yeah, that's like, well, great, what do I do now? What am I supposed to go back to? Do you have to now keep performing all these things in order just to be loved and have value? So it hit me because it didn't seem like it was melodramatic. Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah.

Isn't it funny, though, like, it's so helpful to be able to hear how people experience something that they're watching? Because, yeah, I have a sense memory of, like, being directed in a way by someone who, obviously, I didn't like, in a way that felt over the top. And I was like, I don't know about this. I don't know about this. It feels icky. And you're like, no, it totally works. I'm like, okay, great. It works. But I don't think it worked because of the reason he was directing you. Right, right, right. I think what was happening was exactly what you thought was happening. But I just, I think it came across as better than planned. Yeah, so that was, that was good stuff.

And I did like seeing Lucas show up at the airport and being there for her. I did too. So interesting. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television. writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense

of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And you know what I thought was really interesting?

It hit me in that scene. You know, Lucas being there for Brooke in this way. And when they get back to her house, I was confused about, like, why he picked her up at the airport, but then disappeared, but then came back. But whatever, it worked in the order that it needed to. But the fact that he talks to her about her vulnerability and why it's special really echoed for me what Haley was doing for Lucas in this episode. Because you sit with him and you say, stop hiding your heart. That's my next quote on the list. Stop hiding your heart.

Same. I circled it. And you say, you know, you're telling him to be honest about his feelings, to stop making a mess. And I really like that in a way he takes the advice that you give to him and then he offers it to Brooke and tells her that her vulnerability is something that he's grateful to witness. And he thanks her for letting him be a part of it. I was like, oh, wow, everyone really is showing up for their friends well in this episode. I mean, I thought it was a little flirty.

But he's telling her, yeah, I thought, hold on, I wrote this shit down. You know that I did. Oh, maybe it was because they were trying to do that on purpose because they knew with the ending they were going to try this movie audience. Yeah, I mean, look, they were teasing, they were definitely like teasing a cliffhanger. But I, when he's like, Brooke, that's the only way I see you. And it's why you're so beautiful. It was like, oh, tell me more.

I didn't hate it If he ends up calling Brooke I'm not mad at it I think that there's a real basis for a partnership there maybe not so much like romance but partnership which is probably a bigger like factor

in a long term relationship like can we can we pick each other up can we make each other safe and Luke for whatever reason wants to make Brooke feel very safe Yeah. If I can jump in and say, though, that I, Hillary Burton, the actor, was feeling some very real, like, jealousy that Luke was getting to comfort Brooke.

And Peyton was like, Peyton a fucking mural somewhere. I was just like, what? Whoa, where is Peyton? Because that's her. Yeah, why does she call Luke? Why do you think she called Luke? No, she probably called both of them. But I was just like, well, like, pick her from.

be there. It worked because Luke and Brooke were both saying goodbye to the girl that they love. And I think, you know, it was... That's a good one. That's what was happening. So it was good that they were together. But it was weird that she didn't call Peyton. Well, I will say that, thank God, though, they actually addressed it, even though it was

quick, because he says, where's Peyton? And then I have to admit that I didn't tell you that Angie was actually leaving today. And so that's why he calls me on, like, high. this stuff from people. That's all he's doing this episode is be like, is Peyton here? Because he doesn't with Haley on the rooftop. He's like, no Peyton, right?

Yeah. Where is she? I'm trying to duck her. She's being aware, though. Painting that mural, though. Okay, what did it actually say? Do you know what the quote is? Because I kept trying to read it and I couldn't catch it.

It's the end of Lucas's book. It's the whole thing about how, like, love remade him. And made me like young again, made me whole again. And it's a picture of the comet, into all of it. Oh, man, I've really missed that. And he says, what it looks like at least is that in his writing of that final paragraph, he says, I will always love you, like in it at some point, because you can see that kind of at the bottom of the comment. And then she does the like, return, return on the computer screen thing and says, I will always love you, Peyton. So, yeah,

She, like, gave him his book back. Really made me miss the River Court. Oh, me too. That shot of Chad standing in the middle of the quote. Yes. I mean, the big aerial shot. Yeah, there were so many epic artistic shots and moments in this episode. Even Mouth and Millie leaning up against the wall at the news station, the way the camera moved past.

It just felt like really elevated, interesting to look at. Our camera department showed up so many crane shots in this episode. Oh, yeah. From the very beginning, that shot of Main Street, where it, like, comes down onto the street. Yeah, the river court shots, the shots in the airport. We worked that crane this episode. And the end of the car accident. Mm-hmm.

We'll get there. Yeah. Well, and think about it, too. You know, it's 518, but it's the season finale because the season was truncated because of the strike. So there was budget left over. Like, we had a full eight days of a techno crane on the scene. episode and that's not something we normally had oh that's right so to have a crane every day yeah like that's why all these shots are so amazing so you could take an episode that normally for us

would just be in town you go to all your regular locations and you could turn it into something that was so much more interesting you could take more time with the shots yeah makes it look more like a movie I want a crane on everything me too um joy I sidebarred before we got to the talk with Haley and Lucas on the roof because I really loved that scene. I thought you and he had, you and him had so much

this episode that was funny like you telling him to fix the ferret on his head. I love that. Gold star. Gold star. But then you guys have this moment where you're reminiscing

about the water balloon fight you had on top of Karen's cafe and you say to him that we're not kids anymore. And this is my favorite part of One Tree Hill is how southern it is, where our characters are 22 years old. They are stressed about being married and having kids. Like there is no Tom left. That is the most southern thing about our show.

And Haley's just like, clock's ticking, Luke. We're not kids anymore. We're going to die soon, Luke. You better get your shit together. pull it together I love that it's like our brains won't be done developing for four more years

but we are old and we should be responsible it's so good I love it stop hiding your heart stop hiding your heart it's so nice it's good one too

all of the garbage and pain is just garbage and pain and love is better and don't underestimate love and I remember reading that and really feeling connected to that I really really real moment there. Well, I also like, I like her saying that to a writer in particular. You know,

garbage and pain isn't poetic because there really is this notion for artists, you know, like the tortured artist. I remember years ago, a friend of mine that I was working with had to get sober and he was really struggling. He was convinced that if he did, he wouldn't be as good an actor and like that's this lie that you know that that somehow your mess is what makes you interesting and it was really special for me as a friend to be able to like witness the unpacking of that and I love that Haley kind of calls Lucas on it and is like enough like no more of this tortured artist nonsense show up for what's good in your life yeah yeah love is better love is interesting.

Well, and it's not some myth that keeps you sick or keeps you small. I love that. I think Haley talks the talk in this episode, but also really walks the walk. Like, there's that, there are multiple moments in this episode where you see her just taking in her own life, taking in her family, taking in being in the recording. recording studio and she just clicking and it's one thing when the person giving you advice is just like saying all the right things but it's another thing when you're witnessing them live it and and call it into action and so seeing haley who has been through some hellaceous shit i don't know it

just that felt so real you know it it feels nice to appreciate goodness in the moment because i think a lot of people fall into, I know I certainly have fallen into the habit of recognizing it after the fact and be like, oh, that was lovely. That's my experience in this podcast. Like, the filming of it didn't feel good. I would wake up every day with like a pit in my stomach. And it's so nice to go back and look at it and be like, there are parts of that that were awesome. That was nice. That was nice. And so to see Haley appreciate it in the moment, that's such an important life skill that now I get to practice. Yeah. Haley and Nathan seemed to be doing a lot of that in this episode. That's what I was just going to say. Yeah, like walking through the compilation of the things

that they've been through in their life and just being able to use those as ways to help other people are like learn, watching Nathan learn. I have a whole thing about Nate learning here. Yeah. But I just, real quick, I'm still chewing on what you, the last thing you said, Sophia, you said it's not a myth that keeps you small. Could you just elaborate on that? Because I didn't understand what you meant, but it was interesting. Yeah. So like the mythology of the tortured artist, the mythology of pain being good for you. You know, this idea, I've seen a lot of people sharing this quote from a therapist recently that was like, I don't like what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I disagree. Like trauma that you've survived hasn't made you stronger. You're strong because you

survived it, you didn't deserve to go through the trauma, and you shouldn't be required to go through trauma to grow. You know, it's, so these ideas, for me, I'm really fascinated by these myths that we need to stop believing in, like, that being tortured makes you a better artist or whatever. And I love that Haley is essentially saying to Lucas, like the myth, the garbage and pain being poetic, that's a myth. Love is better. Yeah. Like garbage and pain actually just keep you small. They keep you afraid. They keep you hurting.

And if you can do the work to unpack your stuff, you know, whatever your stuff is and like take your own trash out, I think you can get out of whatever cycle you've been in that keeps you small or makes you small. You can choose like the bigger and the better life. I mean, I, like when you, when you were talking about it earlier, Joy, like every couple of decades or maybe every couple of years, you've got to reassess. Like, that's certainly a journey that I'm on in the moment. And it's like, you know, not something I particularly want to talk about in detail, but the theme of this season for me truly is like, oh, no, no, I will not stay in any circumstance that makes me small. Yeah. And I just won't. How do you balance that with like, because, and I remember thinking this actually when Haley was saying,

saying this quote, too, because yes, I went with the direction that you're talking about with the artists believing these myths about being tortured and that making them interesting. But I think, like, don't we have to, we have to go through hard things in order to grow? Like, how can you grow a feel, if you never encounter something that challenges your character or to figure out, a lot of times we don't even know what we're capable of who we are until we're faced with the, like, what are you going to do in this moment and you have to make a decision? And the decision is a determining factor into the development of your character. Yes.

And I think challenge is so important. But I think that the danger is when we romanticize our suffering and say it's what made us good. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, for sure. But like acknowledging, because we've all been through so much in our lives. And like acknowledging, man, when I think about the things that I've been through, I don't wish that on anyone. I don't wish that I went through it. But I also, I'm grateful for it because of the things that I've learned and how it's, how it's changed me and my being able to grow past those things.

You would have been a good person without him. Yeah, you would have been a good person without him. I don't know. It shoots and ladders, man. I think, I think the shoots and ladders aspect where the notion is that you have to backslide five spaces in order to move forward and, you know, be in like your real position in life um or a better position yeah or a better position you know in parenting there's a lot of like well it toughened me up so i'm going to toughen my kids up the same way so that they come up with the same morals that i do i am very very lenient and very very loving with my

children because they don't have to deal with the same shit that i did and they make better decisions than I did. They make decisions that come from a place of love instead of a place of fear and defensiveness. And so the idea that you must go through trauma to come out as a good person is a part of the hero's journey. It's a part of a tale that's as old as Ulysses, right? And it's bullshit. It's misogyny. It's a man's story that going to war is the thing that makes you a full person. You can sit in a beautiful space surrounded by flowers and be optimistic and believe in the beauty of the world and still come out a perfectly nice person, a perfectly kind-hearted person. And I love that Haley wants Lucas to come into the light, you know. Like to choose

more joy. That's it. It's like you can still be a full-bodied person that is worthy of things. and still has a big imagination without having to wallow in, you know, the underworld. Yeah. And I think what's important is, look, when you've been through hardship, when you have suffered, when you have experienced things, as we all have that you wouldn't wish on anyone else, yes, you need to make something of it, you know, that's why the phrase exists. You've got to make, you know, you have lemons make lemonade.

Yeah. yeah, you have to figure out how to make something of it and find a gratitude for it and understand it as part of your story because otherwise it might kill you. But I would just prefer that people not have to suffer. You know, like I don't, I don't buy into this mythology that it's our suffering that makes us interesting. I think it's unfortunate that we live in a world that is so desensitized to human suffering. And I think, you know, for me, like my entire life's mission is to create more community so that people show up and defend their neighbors and that we show up and we build a more equitable society. I'm not interested in. Everyone should suffer

because it makes you interesting. I don't think so. Not interesting, no. You know, but I do think in the realm of being human, when you've been through something, you have to figure out what it might stand to teach you so that you can exist. And it's really, it's really special in this episode to have Haley and Nathan on these parallel journeys. And they're talking about it as a couple, but they're also using what they've been through to go and encourage their people to grow. And what I love so much is that Haley's doing so much of it with Lucas and Peyton and that Nathan is doing it with Jamie and doesn't realize he needs someone to do it for him.

Which Quentin is kind of doing for him in this space. And Quentin's pushing him, he's pushing him, he's pushing him, and Nathan doesn't react well to it. And it's not until his own son basically says without saying, Daddy, you and I are going through the same thing. We're both scared, that he goes, oh, I'm telling my son not to be scared, and I'm scared, and I'm scared,

and I'm actually the one denying it and he's watching. So maybe he's learning to be scared for me. And like, it just, it killed me that whole thing. This trifecta, this like three, Jamie, Nathan and Quentin, all in this little circle of learning right now, what they're being to each other, how they're sort of, I mean, passing the proverbial ball to each other of maturity and innocence and growth and fear. And it's so interesting to me.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis. who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jackson is right, like the same size, the same kind of like maturity as my daughter right now. And there's so many faces that he makes where I'm like,

oh shit, I saw that face yesterday. You know, and there's something about, like, the kids are always copying us, right? Like your child is just always copying you. So if your kid's doing something you don't like, it's because you do it. And we've talked about that in adults, Joy, but, you know, I have a girlfriend that's like, I don't know why my daughter doesn't get along with other girls. And I'm like, babe, have you met you?

You know? If your kid's struggling with something, it's because they've watched you struggle with it, and they're emulating it. And I love that a kid can be going through something that's a microcosm of the adult problems. But because they're not paying taxes and they don't have work on top of it and they don't have like all these external factors, it makes the issue super boiled down and really easy to diagnose so that it then opens up all these doors for the grownups like, oh, all I have to do is put my floaties on. Yeah. Okay, great. You're like Rocky Balboa.

When Nathan yelled, I'm not afraid or I'm not scared. I'm not scared. Whatever. That's so good. And it's such a little boy temper tantrum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that kind of goes back to what you were just saying too, so about kids.

Because for Jamie and what, Hillary, what you're saying about keeping everything boiled down and kids don't understand their version of their things, but that's their version of suffering. Like a kid being, you know, having to deal with whatever it is that the fear is, or even a parent putting a restriction on a child

and saying, no, you cannot just, run out into the street and the kid's like, but I really want to, and then they'll throw a fit, but it's for their safety, but they just can't understand that. So their suffering is relative. If, you know, to a child, they really feel like they're suffering because they can't go get the candy out of the jar before dinner or because they're being grounded because they haven't learned how to structure to be responsible in certain ways or whatever. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the suffering is kind of relative. And we think like, oh, I'm suffering. I shouldn't have to suffer and yet our version of suffering may be also relative compared to another someone.

No, but Nathan's suffering that he's frustrated and he's a little bit embarrassed that it's not coming back to him and he's got this high school kid who is pushing him and making him look like a dip shit in front of his own son. Oh, totally. That is suffering to Nathan Scott. Right? Yeah, and Quentin's dealing with his own version of what's going on in his world and just trying to still stay alive and stay passionate about the game that he loves and stay relevant

in the game that he loves. Yeah, Haley's suffering in this episode is waking up with a rabbit in her bed because you know those little sh** poop everywhere. That was the look on my face. Like, oh, okay. I'm going to have to clean this up. Great. But I did love that.

I love them all jumping in the pool. I remember really loving doing that scene. It was one of those, this episode, every day of this episode felt like one of those days at work where I was going through lots of my. my own personal suffering and it was an escape to be able to come to work and just have fun and play with family that was like all really nice people and everybody was treating each other well and we were just having a ball. I loved shooting this episode and I remember jumping in that pool and just being like play. I just get to play and be a kid, which I felt like I wasn't able

to do in my real life at that time. It was fun. It was really fun doing this stuff. It did feel like there was like a fun thing every day. You were either jumping in the pool or throwing water balloons or getting to do a night shoot at the river court which was always real special. Or shaving somebody's head. Or us taking over the airport. Yeah.

I know. Every night was a different slumber party. The last thing we really haven't hit here unless there's something else you guys wanted to say was Mouth and Milly. Oh, good. And Mincey. And Mousy.

Saving the day. at the station? Oh, yeah, and Lindsay, right, of course. Well, the mouth and Millie of it all. I loved it. That huge mic drop, just him being able to get in there and do what he's really good at, calling all those cues through the mic, and it was just so funny. And I just loved that they made the sportscaster end on, and I'm, say your name. I was like, oh, my God, it's perfect. Because it's this heroic moment for mouth and like, you know, the music is swelling

and we're all like, yeah, he did it. And then you get that moment of hilarious comic relief. It was perfect. And you knew they were going to offer him his job. They were like, they were going to let him jump in. And the fact that he says, I quit. And he gets that great epic exit from that shuddy news station

that just treated him so badly. Yeah. Oh, that felt good. All of that was over that. Bonnie Vair song, and I, I mean, Jeff and I danced to Bonny Ver at our wedding. That was the first thing that he gave me when we started dating is that album. And I was like, okay, cool. You like, you're like moody. You're in. And it was so epic and so swelling, because we go from like, everybody's pieces are coming together, you know? Haley has that really touching moment

with Lucas. Lucas goes and he talks to Brooke. Lindsay leaves, like, makes this crazy fun. phone call. Wow. And then when mouth just absolutely kills it, it just feels like our kids are all finding their stride. You know, it feels like they're all slowly tiptoe and back onto the path. And it feels nice. It feels like redemptive for this end of the season bit only to have the most epic

exclamation point in the history of our show. I am not okay. You guys, we Regina Georgeed Dan Scott. That was wild. Everything is going so good for everyone. Even Dan, he's making strides on, he's trying to make that He didn't have to murder that man, but that man died. Like, now he's number one.

He's so happy. He's trying to give something back to the gods. What's your name and number? I'm Dan Scott and I'm number one. One. Yeah, you are, baby. Yeah. Guys, it hit him so, that car hit him so hard.

We have to post the reaction video of us because we fell out. Out. We were done. I was not prepared. I wasn't either. I just wasn't prepared, guys. I felt like it was going to happen. You know, anytime somebody backs up into a street,

you kind of get a feeling something's going to happen. Holy shit. That was really intense. I mean, I don't remember. They hit the dummy, right? The dummy was what they actually hit? Or was it like a... No, it looked like they hit a person.

How did they do that? Our crew kicked so much ass on this episode. They were like, oh, you want us to do a stunt too? Cool. Watch this. We should have one of the stunt guys or a couple of them come talk with us. John Copeland? walk through some of the stuff.

Yes. Yeah, we should have John come talk through some of the stunts with us sometime. Because John doubled for Paul. Because they both had dark hair. And for James as well. Yeah. But in this one, yeah, when they hit the street, Paul hit the street and it was for sure a dummy, like falling, like rolling off of the car.

And you could see the bad die job on the mannequin. Like the arm was all like. Flopping in the wrong direction. There's no joints or bones of that arm. No. That's stuffed panty hose. And then, of course, you get the, like, you get the dummy falling, and then they cut and, you know, they put Paul in for the last little, like, shake. And then the freaking beeper starts going off.

It's like, come on. Come on. It's perfect. He's going to get a new heart and a new arm and a leg and a new hit from all the things. Is it bad that that beeper just reminds me of, like, Outback Steakhouse? Like, remember who? That's what I was thinking. The sound of it.

Your table's ready. Sometimes you just need to bloom an onion. I just, I loved it because you've got all this, like, feel-good sentimental shit going on with the kids. And they're like, what's the most feel-good thing we can do with Dan Scott? Hit him. We're going to hit him with an Accura. Chevy Malibu. Oh, yeah.

Just nail it. God, I loved it. All right, cliffhanger, who's Lucas going to pick? Lindsay making the phone call, here's my analysis. Lindsay called him when she knew that he had a game. She is admitting that she lied to him, that she was seeing someone. She is admitting that she does have feelings for him and has just put him in this purgatory for no good reason.

And so I think that he definitely should not pick her because she's been kind of toxic. That's my take. Yeah. So I don't have anything to do. with how you might feel for Peyton Sawyer? All I'm saying is Peyton has made it very clear. Very clear.

Of the three girls, she's the only one who actually wants him. Yeah, she chooses him. Yeah, this is true. Yeah. It's Haley's whole thing. Path of least resistance. Go to the light. Go towards love.

Make it easy. Go to the love. Go to the love. Yeah. I don't know. What's your honorable mention, Sov? honestly I think my honorable mentions Lisa Goldstein walking through those falling water balloons so cute no one's ever looked cooler what a great moment right there was such a great 90s

rom-com moment I loved every minute yeah yeah it was great what's yours what's yours I'm running the beeper the car hit like the way that he was hit in that car I just feel like I feel like Paul committed so hard to this episode episode again. He always, he was, they just knew they could give him the craziest material and he would come through. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's going to be it for me. Loved it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going election. that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges,

we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, fan question. Yeah, Ashley wants to know what is your pit and peak of season five?

Pit and Peak? Pits Nanny Carey. The pits. I mean for the character anyway Peak I guess right now Like the last episode Haley seems to be in a good place

She seems to be like Getting over her anger with Dan She seems to be ready To help all her friends She's doing her music again Yeah it seems like she's on the upswing Yeah it was a great song this episode I loved that song

I loved it when you would sing it Live It's a good song Yeah the beginning of It is so pretty. Yeah, it was a good one. I didn't write that one, but it was a good song. I didn't write that, but I guess it was a good song.

But it was okay. But it was fantastic because we come out of the Dan Scott car hit, and it's like Haley holding on to the headphones. Everyone's doing great. Everyone else is so happy. Oh. I think for me, like peak of this season, really, just the homecoming of all of us.

I loved. Like, I love, you know, despite the fact that we didn't really get to see each other in this episode, like, I love working Peyton being roommates. Because, you know, we're all doing shit that's so advanced for 22-year-olds. I kind of love that these two 22-year-old girls live in a house together. I think my, honestly, my pit of season five is the stupid fucking haircut. Oh, no. I hate it. It's growing out by this episode. You have been so mad this whole time. And it looked so cute. I hate it, you guys. I just really hate it. So yeah, those are mine. What do you got?

My pit for season five can max the record store guy. What a loser. And then my peak for season five is Peyton being really clear about who she's into, but also like, totally fine to just go work like I loved her being on the phone with Mia just like who's this guy that you're talking to like I love the foreshadowing going on in this episode but like Peyton just putting her head down getting her work done not chasing that dude around but like being really honest with anyone that asks her what her deal is I I love it it's less cry it's like even though she tears up it's not such pity party as like when she was younger

and it was like nobody likes me everybody leaves it's a lot of emotional maturity it's nice yeah her way is punishing people is not throwing water balloons at them instead of God bless

I don't know weeping in the graveyard in the graveyard well I can't wait to come back for season six I just remember the summer between season five and scene six as being my summer

of debauchery. And so I love this era. I can't wait to come back. Can't wait. I'm ready. I'm excited too. Y'all, I went home while we were filming this episode and just like made out with the dude that was Homecoming King the year before I graduated and was just like, yeah, going home does feel cool. Yeah, man. I Brooke Davis, my hometown. I love it. I love it. I did that when I was when I was 20 though I went back and found my seventh grade boyfriend and was like come here you

let's do this again just for a little while I love it we learned so much this year all right should we spend one final season five wheel let's do it da da da da da da

da da da da da Who is most likely to forget their best friend's birthday? I mean, you guys know that we record these things well before they air. So today is actually Lee Norris's birthday. Have we all sent him a message? We're going to do it right now. Everybody text Lee on three.

Ready? One, two, three. Happy birthday, Lee! Buddy. I'm trying to think who forgets birthdays? I do. You do? Yeah. I don't, I, you know what, you guys are easy for me because it's the discalcula, like, but, but for

whatever reason, maybe just because I've known you for so long and we've been around each other every year for, for birthdays most, I mean, for a long time anyway. Yeah. But I think because life is so transient and we're always traveling that if I'm not with you consistently during your birthday, the date will start to get muddy or, or if I remember the date, I don't know what day of the week it is that I'm in. Yeah. And so then I will forget, I never know what the actual date is today. I don't know.

I have no idea what today's date is. If I don't open my calendar app, I don't have any idea what's going on. Yeah. And I only know shit from like Facebook or other people telling me. Like I, you know, I'm stressed. Is this because the robots have taken over all of our, like we used to know everybody's phone number by heart and now we don't? Is this a byproduct of that?

absolutely yeah but if we don't celebrate the birthday does it actually happen right like do we get to just stay i'm perfectly fine that's what i've been doing just don't celebrate yeah just sit right here at this age forever yeah which character which character doesn't remember well you want to know what's funny is i was going to be like that feels like a very victoria davis thing to do to never know when it's anyone's birthday because she doesn't care but then my thought was does Victoria even have friends, so I don't know. No. I feel like Victoria would know everyone's birthday, but purposely never say anything to that.

Like she definitely doesn't remember Brooke's birthday. Remember that sad birthday Brooke had? Wish she was all by herself with a little cupcake. Oh, no. All alone. Hated it. All right, you guys, next episode, what do we got? Season 6, episode one, touch me.

I'm going to scream, part one. Oh. Cut our shirt. titles give me anxiety yeah i mean to quote deb scott in this episode it's not porn it's erotica um gotta love deb and skills all right you guys this was a really fun one here we go season six giddy up season six bye hey thanks for listening don't forget to leave us a review you can also follow us on instagram at drama queen's o t h or Or email us at drama queens at iHeartRadio.com.

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