Drama Queens - Always and Forever

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

The Drama Queens finale live from Wilmington continues as Sophia, Joy, and Rob say goodbye in a deeply emotional final episode filled with nostalgia, fan questions, and plenty of laughter. Special guests Jana Kramer, Austin Nichols, and Tyler Hilton join the celebration, making this farewell a must-listen tribute to the friendships, stories, and listeners who made the journey unforgettable.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Sacred Lessons on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenna World. Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video, and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert, and I'll be your tour guide on a wild trip

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Drama Queen's Drama Queen's Drama Queens One Tree Hill's most notorious face liquor is our next guest Give it up for the incomparable Tyler Meredith Hilton

Let's come out I'm a loaded girl I see you wear I'm a loaded girl Where do I hang? Do I sit on Austin's lap? You stand. Right here, baby.

Craig. Yeah. Hello, everybody. Timber, Chris Keller. I am loving this. I was out in the audience laughing. I didn't even know I was supposed to come on and hang out

with you guys up here, to be honest. You were just downstairs hanging out. They tapped me on the show, they're like, You're on next. I was like, I am. Oh, oh. Yeah. Welcome to our late night show.

I love it. Big fan. Tyler, it says here you play music. What's that like? I never touched a guitar until I came on one tree hill. Me too. What? What was your favorite part about playing Chris Keller?

Or like, actually, actually I want to know what your favorite. Keller moment is. Do you have one specific thing that always takes out in your mind? Actually there's this I remember thinking, I don't know why this is so funny, but when I think it might have been Sophia and Bevin walking towards me as cheerleaders and the line like

God loves Chris Keller. I was like this feels like crossing some kind of line where now you're bringing God into it and it was just like God loves Chris Keller because there's two cheerleaders coming towards me I was like, this is next level. It's so good.

He was, like, supposed to be in his 20s. And these girls were in high school. And he's like, God loves Chris Keller. Yeah. It was the early 2000s. TV was different. There's a few things we have to ignore because thankfully we are all the same age.

That's how I sleep at night, I think. We can all agree our show was not in any way problematic, right? Like we nailed it across the board. We didn't change the thing. All the time. Yeah. Perfect. notes. You have catch phrases

though, like that's what's cool about it and kind of similar to Jan and like you got to play a wide range of a character like from being thoroughly deplorable to being wildly lovable. And still have

vulnerable moments too. Like there were a few of those when we were really surprised that they gave you those moments to actually drop in and be a real human in the situation. Yeah, it was actually surprising to see how much he cared for other people.

We were even talking about this when we were making some music and stuff. We were re-watching some stuff. And it's funny the moments they would have Chris Keller set up a situation for somebody else and you wouldn't realize he was actually being selfless

and he was kind of falling on a grenade for something. Which I thought was, so you never really saw the heart on him. You just saw the situation he set up and I thought that was kind of an interesting way to make him lovable. Did you do character work

to try and figure out who this guy is and why he's so or did you just felt the instinct you're like I know who this guy is and fun and talk about your craft Tyler what's your process this is what's the weird is you know on the show they kind of start writing for you a little bit

I think I was only supposed to do an episode or two and I did it and then I kept getting more and more episodes and the guy kept getting more cocky and more of an asshole and I was like what's happening right now like why why does this feel like I'm getting written for you know like so I don't know

I was just going with it I would get the new script I'd read it and I would be like, no way. I'm about to say this to, you know, Joy or Sophia or whatever. It's crazy. Oh, Jana and I don't know anything about that. I weirdly feel like the three of us had such similar experiences because the way you talk about meeting Alex is exactly how I felt. When I first read, I was like, I can't do this.

Who does this? And you're like reading your scripts going, who does this? And weirdly, it kind of gives you the best stuff, so maybe we should read scripts backwards now or something? I don't know. I wonder, too, if you feel, or I feel sometimes that I don't have something in common with the character, I have more of a freedom to play it, you know, because it's not personal.

So it'd be like, I would never do this, so I can do this or something, you know? Yeah, because it's literally insane. So you're like, well, this is fun. I remember there's a few times with you where I would finish a scene and you would be like, I literally hate you so much right now. But it felt like it... I feel like there's a freedom in it. Because you can really just go any direction.

Yes, because you know it's not me and then I can really do it where it's like, is he acting? It was never really, I don't think, a question of that. It was like, this is clearly, I hope, you know. Like there's actually nothing more fun for our friends out here, to your point, to do a scene at work and be like, you are the worst, I'm obsessed with you. You crushed that. It's like, it's completely mental in a fun way

which is why our podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to therapy everyone. But it is a testament to like both you and Jana and I've said this on the pod where I'm like in the hands of a lesser actor, those two roles would

have been, the shelf life would have been so short. They would have not been likable. There would have not been any like natural curiosity after watching them for an episode, but like the fact that you guys like, I've said this so many times about you, Jenner, I'm like, she's Teflon because like they threw everything

at you and nothing stuck. Like you just navigated it so gracefully and Tyler like I had, because I hadn't seen one through six and I hadn't seen one through six. So when you came on the scene, I was just like oh wow, this is who this guy is. And I only knew you as Tyler in real life

and I'm like, look at my sweetheart buddy playing an absolute dick but again but I watched it going like dude this they must have seen so many guys auditioning this role who were just straight doches and like yet you fell in as douchey as me

no but you guys crushed it I think it's a testament to you too how much how loved that Chris Keller and Alex are well you crushed it as well I just love that by the way talking about the like the creators like seeing something in us and writing to it,

they're like, wow, he knows film and he's a promising director. We're going to have him be a director. Holy shit, she's the songbird of a generation. She can play guitar. Let's have her be a music star. Hey, we got Rob Buckley. How about he talks to ghosts and I don't know, likes comic books? Yeah, that'll work. Just give him that.

What about the treats? Treats. You became a superstar. You created a billion-dollar business and sold it. I got shot and stocked. But you did great. Developed a love affair with a chair. I think that means you're lovable, Rob.

Okay. Right? Okay. That's, that's, I'm stretching to find you a through line. You're a good business man. I respect the silver lining on that. Yeah, okay. Better help, that's H-E-L-P.com.

We didn't ask Tyler the question. Oh, yeah. We were talking about. about the wrap-up for the characters? Do you remember your wrap-up? Did you like it? There have been literal screams of Chris Keller's on the lamb from the audience tonight.

So people really liked it. How did you feel about it? I loved it. I was so surprised that after all Chris Keller had been through, that in the final scene when he's, you know, we're watching Jamie shoot the basketball, the crowd, you know, we're all there 40 years later, whatever the math is.

on that, and there's just Chris Keller hanging with the crowd still. Like, we've done Thanksgiving together every year for the last two decades. Go for it, Jamie. It was like, who would have seen that coming, you know, like season two? He's like everyone's weird uncle.

Yeah. Uncle Chris. He's coming to Christmas again. Will Chris Keller ever find love? Yeah, no. I know he didn't. He's just there at Jamie's game, single. Uncle Chris. And every week, Haley has to be like, don't talk to the cheerleaders, Chris.

Don't do it. Dude, you became the weird uncle. But I love you, you showed up at the start of season nine in a ridiculous beard, right? But now in real life, you show up with the beard and buddy, you're making it work. Oh my gosh. Janet was just saying you kind of look like Abraham Lincoln.

I do, yes. He looks like the young Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, I feel like this is a role coming up in your studio. You should do it. Serious. I mean, they asked them to play Elvis. Maybe Abe is next. Like, sexy young Abe.

That's a new out there's a fall on CBS. Young Abe. You do have a strong, innate sense of right and wrong. Abe never got to get old, so. Okay, all right, let's do a little rapid fire. Which OTH couple is most likely to break up? Oh my God, that's a great one. Guests, go.

Which OTH couple is most likely to break up? Mia and Chase. Yes. Shots fire. Meow. Let's go. I love that. Naley.

I'm kidding. No, I was thinking. That's what I was going to say. Thank you. Thank you. There you go. It was obviously an opportunity to boo me, guys. Chris Keller and what was Chelsea?

Oh, uh, Tara? Not Tara. Not Alex. Tara was not Alex. Yes, that's right. Oh, not Alex, right, right. Yeah. Anybody else?

Okay, wait, hold on. My cards are all out of order, guys. I forgot we were using these. What's your worst habit? Oh. As a character. Hey, what's your biggest childhood drama? Like as a character or a person?

I don't know. Wait, how about this? What's your worst on-screen habit? Because we all do things. We all do have little ticks, right? I leave my mouth open. You do? I finish a sentence, and then I'm sitting there listening to the other actor,

and all my brain is going is, shut your damn mouth. Shut it, shut it fast. You know who else does that? I've never noticed that from you, but you know who does it is, what's his face from Downton Abbey, who played Matthew? Every time he finished saying a line, he would say, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he took this, like, breath and he was always like, close your mouth. He's a good actor. I mean, nothing. He's just a funny tick. I always put my hand up to my head, because when I feel like I'm supposed to feel emotions that I don't actually feel, I have the stress instinct to just like...

Now we know. To be like, can you tell how stressed I am? So stupid, but now every time you see my work... Mine's weird because I don't do it in real life, but I see myself just all the time where I move my... I go like this with my jaw, I go. Yes, I've seen you do that.

And I never do that in real life. I don't know why. Tyler has a bad habit of stealing scenes. Oh! Raw. I think I say you know a lot when I don't know my lines, and I've actually heard this in auditions where they say, you said you know a lot.

And I'm humiliating because I'll be like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, and I don't know the line. And so I'll be like, you know, you know. So if you ever see me do that on the show, it's because I went out too late the night before. I love it. How about you? How about you?

You got anything? What do you got? I have like a weird sort of anxious thing. I mean, part of the reason I decided to cut my hair was to see if I could stop doing it. When I'm thinking or stressed, which, you know, it's 20, 25. I was like, all the time. I'll, like, do, like, this with my hair right here,

and I don't realize I'm doing it. And I literally started to pull it out. But the weird thing is, I don't do it when we're rolling. Like the minute the camera rolls, I stop doing the thing that I do unconsciously so often. When I was working with Sky up in Toronto, she was like, are you, what's happening? Because you have like a full rainman tick and then you stop doing it. And I don't know how you do it so much and I don't know how you do it not at all. And I hadn't ever realized that I don't do it on camera.

But it's like That's kind of cool I wonder Drop in and you're there Well I don't know Or I wonder if it comes from like When social media started And my trolls on the internet

Kept being like stop flaring your nostrils When you cry And I was like Everybody flares their nostrils when they cry Well by who I have the big vein when I cry I also was like I can't control my face

When I'm crying Like what? So there's definitely a few scenes In the later years of our show when like Twitter was really popping and we were trying to save the world where I'm trying so hard to hold my face still when I'm crying that like literally one of my eyes like starts to do it and so then I'm just on camera being like mm and I'm like that doesn't that doesn't look better that actually looks worse so I don't I don't know I don't know do you guys ever

notice or are you ever paying attention to how much you're blinking oh my gosh when I I don't blink when I'm tired. So one of my director friends, Brian Hortzinger, shout out to him. But he, I'm really bad past like 10 o'clock. I don't like night shoots. I really just don't like him at all. But at like three, four, five in the morning, he's like, I had to try to cut around your blinking. He goes, you don't blink when you're tired.

So I just go like this throughout the entire scene. Like, I don't blink. That's a superpower. I do, but like, it's just like a stare. A lot of directors like love. I love that. Oh, really? Yeah, because if you blink,

you're breaking the connection between the viewer and your eyeballs. I didn't like it, though. Not blinking can be very, like, it pulls the viewer in. Yeah, there's a lot of people. Hire me between 3 and 5 a.m. in the morning and that's which you'll get.

A non-blink. A lot of people, like, they will, like, actively try to get their blinks out during the other person's coverage. And so, like, I'm always, I am, like, wildly impressed when people, cannot blink and so like I'll be watching a movie with Jenny

and there'll be someone playing dead and we've gotten to the point where like 30 seconds into the scene she'll be like don't say it I know you're going to say you're so impressed that that actor hasn't blinked yet but I'm like it's so hard I have never heard of that before well there's this whole scene in the master with Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix

where he's literally saying nerd alert he's going don't blink and he has a stopwatch and Philip Seymor Hoffman's timing him and every time Joaquin Phoenix blinks he goes start again start again, start again, and Joaquin just has a hissy fit, and he freaks out. It's the most incredible scene, but I actually think it's a nod to, like, sort of this whole conversation of directors and actors and, you know, being able to stand with another actor for an entire scene and stare them down and keep your eyes open.

I mean, it's, it's, I don't know, it's this weird little Easter egg. Has our job ever sounded weirder? Yeah. By the way, I was just having the moment where I was like, I wonder if all of our friends who are here with us are like, huh, so this is what they talk about when they're all together. Truly, you're getting in on the real lines.

Everyone's like, wow, they must have some wild times. We're like, so the thing about blinking. Yeah, they're probably out parting. We're at like Olive Garden. We're like, don't blink. Sixes a second. I'm like, Jan, the way you didn't blink today was incredible. I'm I Belongoria.

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My name's Becca. First, I wanted to say thank you guys for dedicating such a big part of your lives to the show and to the podcast and us as a whole, because obviously we're all here because it meant something. So thank you. And my question was, I know Hillary touched on it a little bit, but for you guys, what was it like to reclaim,

like this chapter of your life, this part of your life, like through the trauma, through everything, and kind of take the good and make it like way outstand the bad? Yeah, it was huge. It was huge. I really echo everything that she said. There was so much that we grew up on the show. We make so many dumb mistakes when you're 20 and 25.

Like, there's the way that you approach life. You're fumbling through life at that, I mean, I guess at every stage, but particularly in your 20s. And I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that for me, I walked out of the situation of our show and didn't know how to feel about it. I had a lot going on in my own personal life, too. I kind of felt like I had walked out of a car crash with a baby, and I was like, I don't know what to do next.

And so I just moved forward with my life, and I didn't ever really look back. And the conventions always felt a little awkward for me, because I hadn't dealt with my relationship to the show, and I didn't really know how I felt about it. And I grew in that over the years into a place of feeling better, but it wasn't until we really started doing this, and having the conversations.

I mean, how often do we get to go sit and look at our younger selves face to face day after day after day and look at the choices she made and what was going on in her life at the time and, like, love her? I needed that. I needed that.

I would say the same, you know. It's really easy, even when you've spent 10 years, together, like in and out every day, and you think, I literally see no one else in my life except for, I don't know what, six weeks a year, other than, like, these people, it's really easy to tell yourself that every fear you have is true because it's your full life. It's really easy to tell yourself that every piece of information you know is all of the information. it's really easy to feel slighted or hurt or afraid

and never have the thing that felt that way change and so it solidifies, it calcifies, it becomes hard and true and what nobody told us about at the time and what I think we've all had the chances to talk to each other about is like, yeah, there was a lot of good, but the stuff that was hard was really hard. And unlike out in your life, where eventually you find time to unpack it,

we were all too scared to unpack certain things while we were here because we were so scared to rock the boat. It was Pandora's box. Well, yeah, it's like if I touch it, maybe everything will fall apart. It's like house of cards. Yes.

And so the really interesting thing is, I think the distance was required, both for us to feel safe enough to have some of the conversations you've heard us talk about on the podcast to be like, hey, was this, like, where did this come from? Or I heard that, like, what did you hear? Or, and, you know, we all got to start putting things together and go, oh, it's always bigger than you see or you know. And I knew that would be special because we'd started it.

I knew there was more to do. What I didn't know was that, in a way, doing that together would make those things more realistically sized. And then all the really great stuff, like even sitting on this couch and I being like, remember when she was just writing country music? And we were like, what the fuck? That's so cool. Like those things that were amazing become as amazing as they are again. Like, I think when you've gone through things that are hard,

sometimes the hard thing becomes the boogeyman and it grows. And so your happy things get shrunken down. And this, for us, and then I think in the ripple effect for our whole group, it's like the boogeymen have gotten smaller and we're like, oh, you're a piece of a little monster. Get out of here. And like, all the good things feel like this. They're big and they're inclusive and they're special.

all. And we didn't have that at the time. And also, how were we supposed to? We were like 25 and confused. We get to go back and love the younger versions of ourselves and each other. And each other. Yeah. Like, whoa, it's so cool. Yeah. I echo what both of you said and what Hillary said, because as I've talked about in the pod, like, One Tree Hill was a really, like, uncomfortable, hard time for me personally. And so when I left the show, I was very content. shutting the door and just leaving it in the past and never revisiting it. And one of the biggest gratitudes I have for our fan base is like I was a part of getting to give this show to you, but it's because of the fan base that I got the gift

of being able to experience it back. Yeah. Because I left it in the rearview mirror, but then convention started happening. And I was like, oh, shit, man. Like, I just, that version of myself was tough. That's an awkward time. But then I started going and like getting to see you guys and realizing, and like, oh, shit, we went through something crazy together.

And actually, you guys are fucking dope. I like hanging out with you. And then meeting the fans and seeing how much you love the show and being like, okay, maybe it wasn't so bad, to then getting to do this show, specifically rewatching times where I'm like, I see a guy who is just struggling with no toolkit doing the best he can.

And I can have sympathy for him, and then I can get to appreciate the show as a viewer and just be like, man, this is cool. But if it wasn't for you all and the opportunities for conventions in this podcast, I never would have gotten that gift. Yeah. So thank you.

No one. Who gets to do this? Yeah. By the way, like we joke about therapy a lot because we're all very obviously into it. But like seriously, this is the best therapy in the world. And then you look at people and you go like, go back and look at your stuff as soon as you feel ready. Because the sooner you do it, the sooner you could have this. You get to release the weight of it.

And you get to hold your little girl's hand a lot. the way in a healthier place. Yeah. Great question. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you guys for continuing to show up and making it possible for us to share this with you.

Yes. First and foremost, guys, I'm sure I can speak for everyone. Thank you for giving us all a place where we're all home, where everything's safe and everyone is home. And specifically, Sophia, thank you for using your platform as a member of the LGBT community, what you do every day on your social media is in you using your voice, it means the world, I'm sure, to everyone else, but I know that it does for me, so thank you.

So I know that there's been a million and one jump the shark moments, but Sophia, do you have any in particular that you, looking back over the entire seasons, is there anything that you're like, that one was crazy, but it was also really fun? Good question. Oh, my God. I mean, you know, we were touching on it earlier. Like, there were things that felt that way to me personally in the beginning of playing

Brooke, because I was like, literally who behaves like this? Like, what are we doing? Because you came from an all-girl school. Like, I went to, there were 55 girls in my graduating class, you guys. And then I went to college. and I was the philanthropy chair of my sorority. Like, what were boys? What was, like, what are we talking about?

They handed me pom-poms, I remember, when we, like, started doing episode one, and I was like, what do I do with these? Like, I was basically a math athlete, but not, but, like, you know, for AP English. I don't know. It was hard to get into, and then, yeah, there were things that just felt

insane, like so many of the things we did on the show. How does one pick? But I think I'm trying to remember that things Brooke did that were involved with that really jumped the shark. Maybe in the back of Joe Manganillo's car.

Oh, somebody's still jealous. Yeah, I don't know. The weird thing is you kind of have to lean in. Something that felt like jumping the shark for me was that like an 18 year old girl supposedly started a brand

that I guess today would be worth a billion dollars on her computer and sewed 26 dresses in one night. Oh my gosh, yes. And the costumes, the superhero costumes that you happen to do in like four hours? I just like popped up a superhero costume with a handmade corset. Like what? Yeah, elastic is not easy to sew.

No. That's not. But like it also, there was something kind of funny about it? Like, okay, so I have this fashion company. My best friend's a rock star. Her husband's in the NBA. My other best friend started a record label. Her husband's a best-selling author.

My husband's a director. Like, what are we talking about? Oh, let's not forget that our tiny town has an Eastern European crime syndicate as well. Heavy gang activity. And, you know, and the biggest deal touring musicians in America. I want to come hang out with us at Trick.

But what I liked about it is that in this really interesting way, our show was almost insanely aspirational. But like in our relationships was really attainable. It was really real. Watching it back now, sometimes I'm like, wow, we've really dealt with that on screen way better than we knew how to off screen at the time. Like now that makes sense to me that approach. I

so I don't know I don't know how to answer the question exactly but I What was the question? It was about what like what was the biggest jump the shark moment Joy is like you're having a deep ADHD moment You've lost the plot

And she's right But in the weirdest way Like I think to your point The way we committed to the things That were insane made them work for us So I'm kind of into it I mean I wish I'd had to take my clothes off

less in the beginning because my parents were watching the show and that was super awkward for me. But also now I'm like, I looked good. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, guys. I still look good. Thank you. Thank you.

Hey, my name's Samantha. And kind of to piggyback off of what she just said, a quick thank you to Sophia for using your platform and following you in the early days is why I registered to vote the day I turned 18. Thank you. And I still look to your socials for resources and references, so I just really appreciate you. And then my question is for Joy. I think just about every straight woman my age is looking for their Nathan. So do you have a favorite Nathan and Haley moment or storyline or episode? Oh gosh. Oh man, it's so hard to pick one. I mean, I mean, I I enjoyed working through the stuff when Nathan had heard his back and he was in the wheelchair.

And, you know, as an actor, I enjoyed that because it was just something different to be able to do and play and explore. They all felt so valuable to me because I was in so much tumult, tumult, in my personal life that when I would get to come to set and work with James, it was always just like usually. it was light and happy and loving and it was just like sweetness surrounding it it was something that we talk a lot about how our body doesn't know the difference between like the muscle when we're crying all your body knows is that you're crying it doesn't know like you're faking it for a script

and so there was something I think that really fed my soul about just being able to be a part of moments that were so beautiful and sweet even though James and I always had a completely platonic relationship but those moments, there was a lot of healing that was happening for me, so that was really lovely. But it makes it hard to answer your question because they're kind of all in this amalgam of beauty in my mind.

Anytime we made out in the rain was really fun. Who gets to do that all the time? I mean, also it was like really cold, like pelting us in the face, but it kind of made it more fun, I guess. I know it wasn't asked, but can I give you mine? Yes. Granted, it's only from season 7, 8, 9. It didn't even happen on screen.

It happened in a voiceover. It's after Nathan's been kidnapped, you're in the car with Quinn, and you tell the story about how you thought Nathan's favorite ice cream was mint chocolate chip. And then he says to you, that's not my favorite flavor. I just order it because I know it's yours. Yeah. Yeah. It's really good.

That's so good. It was a lot like that. Yeah. Yes. There's a lot of those. Great question. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My question's for Rob. Now that you're in Wilmington right now, what is your favorite restaurant and what is your order? Can I take this one? You may. Rob enjoys, uh, what? I don't want to say the name of the, well, well, I know. Well, there's a restaurant and down.

Let's just do it. They deserve the prey. It's going to, yeah, here's, take it away, take it away. Are you going to give away a secret? Honestly, it is, it is a secret, but listen, this is a safe space. We're all friends, here we go. There's a hotel in Ritesville Beach. It's a little lovely spot. It's called the Holiday Inn. And they have a restaurant on site.

They make a wonderful Cessar salad, but here's where it goes from great to transcendent. Their house cornbread is the business. But these maniacs, they don't just stop at good cornbread. They're like, no, what if we took it, cubed it, deep fried it, and turned it into a crouton? So it is like the best, sweetest, savory donut bite in your salad. So my go-to order, it's Caesar salad with shrimp and a side of cornbread.

Cesar, thank you. Cesar Salad. Ensalada de Cesar. with a pan maize pan de maize but for real though

like absolutely worth your time for those of you in Wilmington like pop by try their cornbread it comes with two small loaves one of you if you're hungry can't eat it I know because Tyler and I both do

but you could easily share it with four people and then the croutons ask for extra go nuts I also just love envisioning filming here people being like you live here why are you at a hotel

and you're like oh these cornbread croutons and people just going what like that's the moment I need to be a fly on the wall for I got to go back and do it again wait how did you find it like why did you go there in the first place and get and find it you know how

Captain America can just like sense injustice, and Spider-Man has his spidey sense. I kind of had the same thing going with good foods and snacks. That's true. That's true. Like, if you drop me in an airport with no agenda, I will find my way to the best eatery without a doubt. We start talking about what we're going to eat if we're going to be in the same city like months ahead of time.

That's how I knew about these croutons. And last night, he FaceTimed me. At the holiday end. Yeah. Just want to just, yeah. Okay. Last time I got this order to go, and I was stuffed. on croutons. He facetined me. I was in bed shirtless and I was like, I'm in a crouton

coma. He's like, me too, man. And we just FaceTime and it was unbelievable. He was right. Like these croutons were unreal. I hope they put your face on the menu. Oh, I would love that. What I also love is that everyone's last FaceTime with you is food. It's food. Listen, this is a room of our listeners, so they know obviously I have an issue, yeah. Like, I face-timed Rob today, because I went on a little errand. I snuck out.

I said I had something to do. I needed to go to Sonic. It's a little mom-and-pop place in the neighborhood. I brought Rob a corn dog, and when I got back, he wasn't here. And I was like, where in this building are you? I phacimed him, and he was like, I'm not coming in for an hour. And I was like, but I have this corn dog for you. And then we both genuinely had the debate of like,

should you save that? It'll probably be not good. And he was like, you should eat it. And I felt really loved. Yeah, it was one of those moments where it's like if you love something, you truly have to like set it free. And if it comes back to you, it's meant for you. It was like, no, Sophia, you should eat the warm corn dog.

I did. And then as I started to eat it, Stephen was like, Rob's not coming. And so then I cut it in half. and gave the other half to Stephen. And I was like, you know what? We do. We really do love each other.

Now that we... No, I just love that we all have the same love language. I mean, food is like, I fundamentally, if someone feeds me... We all shared Kava tonight, you know? Yeah, that's true. No, being fed is a serious love language of mine. I'll do anything for you if you feed me. Great question.

Thank you so much. Hello, everyone. Hi there. My name is Aurora. I'm here from Brooklyn, New York. Super excited to be here. I actually think I might throw up in a second. Yeah, I'm just kidding. You wouldn't want that.

My question is actually for Jana. I was inspired before, and I feel really bad that you didn't really get a chance to have your happy ending, or at least know what your ending was. So would you think that your character would have found her way back to Chase? in the future I do I really think so I think they would have

I mean I always kind of wanted that and I think Stephen would say oh he thinks that Mia was the right one but then he's recently changed that and I'm like good because we were like meant to be together a bell time damn it

I was like thanks for coming to that realization I've always been there so you know we've got to have that combo but yeah I think we both wanted that arc to finish and I think we would have it would have been nice now would they still be together that I don't know

but I think they would have found a way back at some point hopefully they will be TBD wink wink I just realized he had a real like taste for musicians because it was Mia

then Alex and then when he was single his best friend was Chris Keller that's right what's that all about anyway I just wanted to insert myself for what it's worth

I am hardcore team Chase and Alex thank you Oh! Me too. He needs a little fun in his life. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Hi, I'm Laura. Hey, Laura. One of the things I love about Winter Hill was the soundtracks. Every time I watched an episode, I just wanted to write down the lyrics as fast as I could for any song that came on. So my question is actually for Tyler, because I got to meet you in 2008 when you performed at Central Michigan University. Buy your rep chips. What was some of your favorite parts of the music around One Tree Hill?

Or is there anything that you would have changed maybe to fit the vibe of an episode a little bit more? God, the music was such a huge part of the show. I mean, a lot of the producers on the show were either from MTV or came into it from the music side of things. So from finding Gavin for the theme song early on to casting myself, like if it wasn't going to be me, they were going to have another musician on. But I learned about so much music from the show. Butch Walker, you know, was one of them, Ryan Adams, you know. And, I mean, I know we, I talk about this all the time with fans, but whether it was the Coda or whether it was the music just in the episodes

or the episodes being named after songs, music was a huge character on the show. And I've never seen a show. I mean, there's been a couple other ones, Grazenademy does it really well. And there's a few shows like this that really take the music. And there's something about music that takes a moment that's so honest. and just drives it right in there, you know?

And Joy and I've been talking about this a lot, too. Some of the songs just totally connected. And sometimes when a producer or people on the show suggest a song to sing or they have ideas musically, I'm like, okay, you know, I feel like a lot of the suggestions on this show were dead on. I mean, you guys know you've seen the show so many times, but how many of you guys had to stop an episode

like you did and be like, what is that song? I have to Shazam it. It's crazy. I did the same thing. So, anyway, I just, uh, I was so honored to be a part of it, and a lot of the songs I got to sing on the show were inspiring, and they took songs of mine that I didn't think would be hits or singles, and they'd be like, we want you to perform that song. And my label would be like, but this is the single, and they'd be like, we don't care, we want that song on the show. And I was always like, yeah, you know, I thought they had great taste. So I was just honored to, like, get to be a part of it, and I was along for the ride musically, because it was unreal. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Thank you. All right, gang.

This has been real, but I think it's time we bid adieu. Whoa. What a fun experience this has been. Yeah. How freaking cool, man. The coolest. And this night, like, what? Like, you know, how many, like, I can imagine the majority of us, right,

really thought prom night was going to be cool, and it was pretty want-want, you know? Yeah. This feels like the prom night I wish I had. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just didn't disappoint on any level and much like my real life prom night it's going to end with me eating cake

and then going to bed alone. It's okay, it was a great night. You know what that does? What? That builds class. Yes. Yes. Good for you, sir.

Class and character. All right, well, let's thank some peeps. First and foremost, let's thank our producer extraordinaire, Hannah. Where are you, Hannah? Hannah Wickleman-McNeil. Sashay. Sashet. Yeah.

You guys hear us talk about Hannah a lot, and when we have questions, we should know the answer to, and we don't. And we ask them, and then we vamp. And then we go, oh, we've just gotten the answer. That's Hannah. Yeah, that's Hannah. That's right. She somehow manages to keep this show on track. 75% of her job is probably wrangling cats, which is us.

100%. And then the other 25% is coddling my paper thin ego. But Hannah, you do it supremely well. and with grace and the show couldn't happen without you so thank you very much.

Yeah, thank you, Hannah. Where is Easton? Where's Easton, Ellen? Easton. Easton is somewhere Are you in the back? Oh, there he is. In the Barry's in the middle of you.

If you feel so inclined, you can sprint up here. Price is Right style if not, no worries. Also, Miss Elena, if you're around and want to give a wave. There she is. Oh, there she is.

There she is. So for you guys who don't know, Easton is the guy who is making, every time that we get on our Zoom and one of us goes, I can't hear anything. You're talking. I can't hear you. He facetimes us. He walks us through our technical stuff. He puts all this down.

He edits all the episodes together. He's like a brilliant guy and we're just so grateful for him. And Elena, yes. There is he said. There you are. He's awesome. Those people. Say hi to those people. Yeah, we know who you are. They know. And Elena's our assistant who has been, this all the things that you see go up on drama queens and she coordinates and come on out here. Come on here. Come say you're... All these people, we could not do this without.

We're so grateful for. And Iheart, who's been so, you know, amazing. We actually have a couple members from our live events team who were with us in all those videos you saw from our tour and who helped set this up. All the folks from Iheart, will you just come, unless you went home? They're allowed to, but I hope they're still here. Come say howdy.

If you want. Yeah, come out. There's a whole troop of folks here. Come on. Thank you so much. All right. Well, you're getting one wave. Some people are just coy and we're cool with that. You know, whatever you're comfortable with.

We respect you here. And I think, unless we're forgetting anybody, I would say the last and the biggest thank you would be to you all. Yes. We really couldn't. We couldn't have kept this going without you. Truly. Thank you for showing up. Yeah.

I know we've touched. on it and Rob, you did it really eloquently earlier, but it really is the thing we will always repeat. We left Wilmington and thought we were going home and didn't know that we'd ever come back, and you guys brought us back, like, over and over and over again, and the way you have felt about the show really made us go, well, what did they see? You know, and you hear that, right? In some of your closest relationships, someone who loves you will say, I wish you could see yourself the way I see you. And you guys made us feel that way about something we spent 10 years of our lives doing that we had really complicated feelings

about. And we were like, well, maybe we should try to see it the way they see it. And I don't mean this with any hyperbole whatsoever. You changed our lives. Yes. Thank you. You're really good. Thank you. Yeah. I desperately need something because I'm emotional.

Okay. You all have been incredible and made this a night to remember. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much. We love you. I love you guys. Thank you all. Hey, thanks for listening.

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What are the cycles fathers passed down that sons are left to heal? What if being a man wasn't about holding it all together, but learning how to let go? This is a space where men speak truth and find the power to heal and transform. I'm Mike Delo Rocha. Welcome to Sacred Lessons. Listen to Sacred Lessons on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. We were in the car, like a rolling stone came on, and he said, there's a line in there about your mother.

And I said, what? What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have. I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened. These are just a few of the moving and important stories on my 13th season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenna World, Jenna Jameson, Vivid Video, and The Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert, and I'll be your tour guide on a wild trip through adult films. We get paid more than the men.

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