Drama Queens - Art Imitates Life • EP 802

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

Joy and Rob dive into the aftermath of Haley finding that Clay and Quinn have been shot. Joy discusses how her real life pregnancy affected her character’s storyline and how one crew member stole the show with his special cameo.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You have me and Rob friends. Wow. We're finding our way through. We're feeling very kind of introverted and cozy today, I would say, in our hoodies. And just snuggle at the very end of the holidays trying to save every last moment that we can. How are you? Is all the sickness passed through the house? I know so many people that got sick over the holidays.

days. We got destroyed. So we had dodged COVID since the whole time. And at the start of December, we all got COVID, everyone in the family. And then right as we were getting over it, we had family flying from New Zealand. And one of them caught something on the plane. No. And then I got, so then we got sick again. And then right as I was getting over that, like three days ago, I got sick again. Oh, sorry. I don't know what I did to rack up so much bad karma, but I got to fix it because I am so tired of being sick. How about you? How were your holidays? They were great. And I haven't been sick. I actually, this is not a plug for our sponsor, Symbiotica, but I will tell you, they sent us a package

once when they were sponsoring an episode. And I used it and I loved it. And then I bought a subscription. And now I take these little packets, these like vitamin C and Aldevery and all these other little thingies from them. I take them every day and I usually will get sick. Like, I'll get a cold like three times a year and I've, I've had a full 13, 14 months with no sickness at all, no cold, no nothing since I've been taking these. Well done. So I'm hoping I'm like knock on wood that it doesn't. It doesn't pop its rear rear its head. But yeah, I was good and we're healthy over here and feeling cozy. But I'm ready. I'm ready for a new year. I'm ready to launch into it. This one is season eight episode two. I can't see you, but I know you're there. Air date

September 21st, 2010. Rob, do you want to read the synopsis? I'd love to. Clay and Quinn discover they've been shot, and as they fight to live, Nathan and Haley struggle with the situation. Meanwhile, Julian tries to preoccupy Jamie and Brooks' legal troubles mount. Oh, yeah. This is is a, there was, there was a lot in this that was a lot of bouncing back and forth between incredible tragedy, a huge, this, this financial situation with Brooke is, like, a Haley goes, how bad can it get? And Brooks, like I could lose a company. I'm like, um, can't you go to jail? I feel like that's how bad it gets. Stop losing the company. But anyway, that's the whole thing. And then Clay and Quinn just coming, trying to come back to life. And then we're bouncing back and forth

between that and the buddy comedy with Jamie and Julian, which was really fun too. So anyway, we were kind of all over the place, but mainly Clay and Quinn, let's get into it. Let's. So peek behind the curtain. I was about five minutes into the episode when there was discussions of us not recording this today. And I thought, oh, okay, cool. Now I'm just going to watch it for myself. I'm not going to do like thorough note taking, which is me stopping the episode every 30 seconds to write something down. And I just got to watch it as a viewer. And man, I had the same experience

that I did the last time I watched this. I was like, the show's good. Yeah. And I didn't remember any of Clay and Quinn's of this part of the story. Really? I knew we were in a coma. Yeah, I knew we were in a coma.

And I remember the stuff from 801 where we're like just, it's idyllic. And then we realize we've been shot. I didn't realize there was this whole, like, dream world segment where we are aware of, going on. But I also thought it was very effective. I thought Chantelle was so good. Yeah, I agree.

But it made me sad. I was, I got, it worked for me. It was really well done. This whole bit of you guys opening doors and it's a, and it's a green field. And then you turn a corner and it's a hospital. Or, you know, you peek around a tree and suddenly it's like there's the hospital hallway or you being in the room with yourself looking at yourself and having to react to what that would feel like you know you hear about people who have these out-of-body experiences and I can't even imagine did you research any of that for any reason to be able to feel what that would feel I don't know like no because I think my thinking was he's never gone through this before so I think he should be every bit as sort of

confused and fish out of water as I would be. Yeah. So that was just, I think that's what I remember playing. I did laugh at the start of it because I had the same thing this episode where I went, how long have they been on the floor bleeding? Oh my gosh. I know. And will you hear the medic go?

Yes. 12 plus hours. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. How long go to get shot 12 hours? And he's like, I don't know how he's still alive. But I thought, okay.

glad you guys addressed it, but it sure feels like a lot more than 12 hours. It felt like it was three days. I could not believe you guys are still alive. It's the slowest bleed of all time. And it was right in your chest. They were doing open heart surgery on you or open cavity. Yeah, it was quite full on. But yeah, when the medic said that, I was like, all right, I appreciate you clearing that up for me. But also, storytelling-wise, it sure feels like a lot more than half a day has passed. That for sure was dropped in. later that was like somebody in the edit room went how long have these two been laying on the floor and they were like throw somebody into ADR to say 12 hours and they put it in the medics

scene because Nathan was working out with Jamie and then he left to camp that's when he stopped by Clay in Quinn's place yeah so I thought he'd at least been at camp for a day yeah I agree it definitely feels like longer than 12 hours I don't remember finding you guys. I didn't either, Joy. And no idea that I was the one that walked in. No, no idea. I didn't recall that at all.

I mean, your eyes were closed. Like, you guys wouldn't, maybe they shot that sequence of you laying there. And then you guys went to go get cleaned up and they just shot my individual reaction or something. but that was also that's a lot of cleanup for you guys yeah that I feel like those kinds of episodes are hard to shoot when you're back and forth between being bloody and not bloody and your shirt would be totally crisp and white at one moment and then totally bloody in another moment and then you have to be in the hospital bed and with so many actors in a scene trying to coordinate the schedule of all of that like who's going to wait while you guys go

get cleaned up and what part of the scene are we going to shoot while you get re-blooded? And yeah, that was, I feel like there were a lot of moving pieces with this episode. That's also kind of like, though, with women's hair, don't you, don't you feel like when you're, like, you're shooting something? And it's like over the course of different days, and it's like, wait, was her hair up or down for this? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's a 30-minute transformation. So it's like, okay, what are we going to do for 30 minutes? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Because we go from day one to day to night two to one, yeah, day of day four. Yeah. I also, what I do remember is that moment where I was talking to Sophie, well, Haley and Brooke are talking and Chantelle's standing right there and talking

to us. I remember that being really hard to just completely ignore her and time out the things that we were saying to each other so that we didn't all talk over each other, but without looking at her. So I couldn't tell when her mouth was going to move. That was hard. It was harder that I thought it was going to be. I laughed watching that scene just thinking about what that was like for you guys on the day. Yeah. First of all, it's hilarious that none of you guys step on each other's lines because in real life, why would you and the ghost be synced up and never interrupting? It's right. But it's also just the reality of like your friend having to be like, can't you hear me? I'm right here. And you're like, I can hear you, pal. I wonder if we rehearsed that. We had to have not to have

reversed it a couple of times. How about at the end, or closer to the end, when Nathan has that sweet speech to coma clay? Oh, my gosh. That was so beautiful. He came back and see Clay listening to all of it, but the speech is lovely. What a great moment of friendship. It was really nice to see Nathan be opened up like that.

He's been doing so much more of that lately. It's really nice. It was great. I just thought, yeah, like I, I, I know the whole Katie storyline is so bonkers. And even like this is, is, it's out there. But I was invested. I was, I was on board, you know, and worried for Clay and Quinn and hopeful. And how there was that moment where, um, when Clay is like, you got to go.

You got to open your eyes. And there's a, the last shot of that when he's like, heart we're good i promise and then she closes her eyes and there's a quick cut back to clay and you can see that he's he's not confident in what he just said a moment of sadness and you're like oh yeah you're really holding it all together and i was wondering that too watching clay i was like i could see you making the choice to be stronger and stronger and have more energy and be in the dream world and seeing Chantal be, it seemed like, more frail. And the dichotomy, I guess, of the two of you, that's not the right word, the contrast

of the two of you in different places and her coming back. That scene broke my heart, which is digging in the sand. And like, she doesn't want to leave you. God, it's really so sad. It makes me wonder, because, you know, there are so many people who have those experiences where they, it's like an out-of-body experience and they are looking down at the doctors working on their own body

and then they live to talk about it. It's so interesting. I wonder how much of that we captured. I wonder if our director or anybody, any of the writers or anybody, didn't research on that too. I don't know. I thought it was also great that the two of them

got to be in that in-between world together. Yes, that's what I love. Come on. I mean, obviously it's terrible that you're there considering you're on the verge of death. But like, hey, you got to be there with your buddy at least. That's cool. I know.

That would be really fun. Yeah. At least you're there together. Yeah. Waiting in the wings. Cuddling on a beach topless. Like we were just having a good old time for the most part until the whole death thing came back in. Oh my God.

You guys, the realization of think about what happened and the quick cuts. And it was all really very effective. So I'm grateful that you're. alive so far still. Obviously, Clay comes back and Quinn's back sooner. But this is a good one. And I wonder if, does Katie come back more? Or is that it?

Yes. We have to deal with her still. Yes. I don't recall. The only thing I know, if you haven't watched the show, listener, maybe just like fast forward 10 seconds, is that, because Shantel and her, excuse me, Quinn and her have that knock down, dragout fight at Clay's house. Oh, that's right.

That we spoke with Amanda about. So that's the only thing I know. I don't know how that comes about. I don't know if it's Quinn hunting down Katie or if Katie tries to come back. But I do, I think it actually happens while Clay's still in a coma maybe. Because I'm not there for it. Why else

wouldn't I be at my house? Oh, you weren't? No, that was entirely an Amanda Chantelle night. Interesting. Watch me end up actually being there. and I forgot about that as well. No, I'm pretty certain it was just the two of them. So, no, we're not quite out of the woods with Katie yet.

But, yeah, also I will say I didn't realize it, because this whole time I've been saying, like, how is she suddenly a cat burglar and scaling to the second story to get to Clay's balcony? And I realized, as I'm sure several annoyed listeners have already known, Clay's sliding door to his bedroom isn't on the second store. the second story. It's on the main level. Because you, Haley, that is, you walk up onto the deck in the back, just up the pool stairs. Oh, yeah, and go around. And you just walk around and go right

into the room. Yeah. So now it suddenly makes sense while she was, why Katie has just been going in and out through there. Yeah. Also, weird, though, that when Nathan went over to the house to knock on the door and you didn't answer, like, it's just so easy to just take a few steps to the back and poke around the corner. It's like his best friend's house. I don't know. Wouldn't you just go check like to make sure that he's hearing you knock on the door? The pushback I would give on that is maybe he didn't want to walk around the back and see like Clay and Quinn fooling around on the couch or something. Okay, right, right. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. That's the out. I'll give him. He was just being respectful. Sidebar, is your hoodie a troop Beverly Hills thing?

I think it is. I just found this in Kentucky. I drove up to Louisville this a couple weekends ago to visit family and found this in some random little store in Louisville. And just, but it feels like it's a true Beverly Hills thing. It sure does. Shelly Long. I loved that movie. So good.

Okay. One Tree Hill. Okay. Speaking of fooling around, who here's who is fooling around is Alex and Chase right in front of me. I don't, I do not understand Alex's deal. Like, can she not just leave well enough alone? And she's got him. Just enjoy it.

Why is she have to just keep rubbing everything in Mia's face? What is going on? I don't know, man. There was a, there's the moment when Mia, towards the end, when Mia comes back to Alex and she's like, hey, you're right. I pushed him away. I blew it.

You're still a bitch, but you're right. It was my. there was a moment where I thought, oh, because there's this like a sincere smile comes across Alex's face. And I thought, oh, is she about to have a moment of going, good. I'm out. My work here's done. You know, like she was there just to sort of like teach a lesson. Right. That would be nice. Yeah, no, of course not. And it's like, uh, okay. I don't know. You know, and I forget there was also one shot in this episode that was a very like gratuitous

close up. It was here like an intro or an outro of a scene where it was like a close up on like a girl's butt or it was something, it was one of those moments from like but then like Alex having the shots between in her cleavage. It's just so dumb.

It's just I don't. It's just odd. You know? It is. It's odd. I don't know what her problem is. I did like Mia's move of being like, oh, look, you have to drive me now. I've been drinking and I'm going to go big of this kid just to give them out of the way. I was like, that's pretty good.

It's pretty smart. That was very smart. I just, with Alex, it's just odd, right? Because she's an internationally known movie star. Yes. There was already dudes lining up at the door. The guy in the front of that line, by the way, was our very own beloved crew member, Sabre, who was the one who was like,

Scotty's Sabre. Yo, was Alex DuPray bar, is this the bar, Alex DuPrae's bartending at? That was our own Scotty Sabre. Sabre was, by the way, guys, he was a professional wrestler, and we used to go watch him wrestle in Wilmington. He had a whole costume and a persona, and it was the whole deal, real deal. Hillary could probably tell you a lot more.

And I think maybe she's talked about him before on this podcast a couple years ago. Yeah, but he was just one of our dearly, dearly beloved. So it's really fun. I love when our crew members do cameos and they pop up. It's so fun. You know when, okay, so for the listeners, the story Hillary told about Austin joining the show and them going to a wrestling match and painting their faces together, I think. Oh yes. And because she was like, is this, is this a thing here? Is this guy flirting with me? And then they got there and like, he clearly, like, only had eyes for Sophia, or something happened, you know. But that, they were going to watch Scotty Sabre wrestle.

So he has been discussed before. It was on the night they painted their faces. That's it. So they threw him in the front, said, hey, here's a line. Say it. And so he was the perfect one to look for Alex Dupre. But yeah, she's an international star, superstar, attending bar. And guys are already lining up at the door pounding on it.

I don't think you need to put a shot in your cleavage. Like, they're in. They're lucky enough just to sit there. Yeah, you could wear a turtleneck and just read a book. And they would still hang out and be all for it and get drunk. But, you know, Alex, doing the most. Oh, Alex. At the start of the episode, when you're writing the letter, which I thought, it's always an effective tool for like reminding the audience, like what's been going on.

But you're like, hey, Luke. And I had about, maybe this is just my brain fog from being sick three times in the last month, but I spend about 10 seconds going, shit, who's Luke? No. Holy cow. Luke? Who's Luke? And I was like, oh, freaking frack.

It's Luke. It's Lucas. That's funny. Because I've never heard him called Luke ever. It's always Lucas. Yeah. But also, he is so not a part of the storyline anymore, almost in anybody's storyline. It's certainly not yours.

He's just not. not somebody that's talked about a lot. So that makes, and it wasn't there when you were there filming. It's not like his character was in your line of vision on a daily basis. That makes total sense. Did Haley call him Luke? Yeah. Okay.

See, that's what I figured, because you guys were close to everybody, but I just, like, what? Who's Luke? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm sure we did a lot. Lucas, Lucas, I think she did both. It was sort of like when your mother calls you by your full name and you get that. She would do the Lucas and then otherwise it was just Luke.

That's really funny. I did like the letter. I'm glad that that worked out. It's really sweet seeing Haley pregnant. And you know what's crazy is I got pregnant. I think like three episodes after this. I actually got pregnant in real life. And so they didn't have to write in the pregnancy.

but they did have to extend it because I think I was supposed to give birth like three months in the shooting schedule, like three months, three months, four months earlier than joy in real life was going to have Maria. So we probably really screwed up their board in the writer's room. Hey, but listen, I mean, at least your character was going to get pregnant because more often than not, like 99% of the time, it's having to hide a pregnancy with pillows and clever blocking. In your case, they just had to stretch the storyline a bit. Exactly. They were like, oh, she's already pregnant. Perfect. That's great.

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Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive, while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn SageBurn Bridges on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I thought the bit with Haley telling Quinn that she is going to ask her to be the godmother. That was really sweet. Okay, I have a question about this. Yeah.

Godparents who are already close family members. This is a thing? That's interesting. She's already anti-a-a-Cwin. So I thought a godparent was somebody who's not a family member and they sort of get inducted into your family through the god-parenting thing. Yeah. I've never heard of it before,

but I don't know of any rules that would prevent it. where's the godparent playbook we need we need the rules because you're right it's it's typically not of the biological family it's usually like the best friend that right that's what i thought it's the best friend and you're you're now the godfather so you're like kind of part of the family maybe haley was just desperate and grasping its draws and she was like i i need you to come back you were going to be the godmother yeah now she's really roped into it she's really stuck well she's also already passed out godparent right like i think brook was godmother for jamie i think oh fans i'm sorry if i'm getting this wrong oh guys light her up on the message boards our producer

says yes okay so brook is jamie's godmother um lydia's coming okay so quinn's going to be lydia's godmother which is just going to be strange because it's already aunt quinn but does a godmother like what does a godparent do do you guys have godparents for uh for your kids no but i typically because we are the godparents to a child and at least in our case what that meant was they said if god forbid something ever happened to both of us we would like you to to take her yeah yeah that's right but i think that there's a lot of people who just do it more casually where it's just like we want you to be i mean in real like in religious families it's we would like you to be the one sort of like the spiritual elder to like you know help this person grow spiritually.

Like a mentor, yeah. Yeah, like a mentor. But I think it's also just sort of like casually like love our kid, be close with our kid. Yeah, it's really beautiful. But also kind of defeats the purpose because an aunt or uncle, I imagine, would already be invested. So, all right. Let us know, friends.

Let us know if you, if anybody out there has a godparent who is also already a close member of the family, how does that work? or change, does it change anything? Hmm. Anyway, that's my two sense. I feel like skills has to be at least honorary godfather to Jamie. Yes, he has to be. Is there a godfather for Jamie or is it just Brooke is the godmother?

Lucas, I would imagine, would be the god. Yeah, okay, so Luke is the godfather and Brooke is the godmother. But Luke is certainly not holding up his. sent a bargain. He failed. Deadbeat Godfather. Bye. He sends a card every, you know, once every couple years, the $5 bill in it. Meanwhile, skills doing the heavy lifting.

That's right. Taking him to lunch. Well, it's Julian in this episode because this was so fun. I loved this. We do buddy comedy really well on this show. Yeah. I loved watching the two of them together. Chase and Mia showing up at the park.

Jackson's whole comedy bit with them, his ability to, oh, oh, yeah, sure. And then the face drop of like, I don't know these friggin people. His comic timing with Austin, I was on board. I wanted more and more and more, like way more of this in the episode. They were great. And I love that line Jamie had where I think he says something effective, yeah, given my history or given my track record, I think I'm going to pass. A kidnapping record. Yeah, like my track record of being kidnapped. I'm going to pass. You want me to go to your car and get candy from a stranger. Yeah, but and I like how. And then Julian shows up. He just walks in and he's like, hey, your mom called you me to pick you up. He's like, all right. Bye. Yes. It was so good. And I like how he didn't

remember Chase. Poor Chase. And Chase is like, who are you, Victoria Davis? I like that we had Stephen back. It's always fun to have Stephen in an episode. Yeah, I agree. I like that there was some clarification with the breakup that we actually got to hear

Mia and Chase talk. Yeah. Have they not had a conversation yet? They had like one outside trick, remember? Yeah, that's right. They went on like a walkway outside. Oh, but she really goes into it

in this episode where she's, and the road and the night all made a decision together but she was a bad girlfriend and he deserves better and better to her is clearly not Alex Dupre but we shall see what happens

but anyway I love okay so Julian taking Jamie to the batting cages so fun more of their dialogue so great comic relief and I love this part when they're sitting in this arcade

and Julian's making up a storyline about random strangers and they're just sitting there watching Oh my God, the line about he says, oh yeah, this guy's an alcoholic and Jamie goes, Chuck's mom's an alcoholic. He's like, I know somebody who went to college there

just throwing it out there. It's so offensive. And Jamie calling him on it. And just saying, hey, man, yeah, this lady's hanging out with the kid that's not her own because something is going on that she doesn't have the guts to tell him what's actually happening. Smart. Smart. It was great to see Lee.

Yes. I love me some Lee Norris. When he walked into close over bros at the start of it and it was just Julian in an empty store and he went, oh, I guess I picked a bad day to come asking for a job. That's right. But also, is he in need of a job? I forgot. That was where I was confused, right? First, I thought that's a funny line. And because given a situation, but then when he goes to Tric and he's like, I asked you for a job. I'm like, oh. So this is a new, this is like going

to be a story. Okay. Wait. Also, why was Julian so chill when he walked into the store? Did you notice that? He just like walked in and looked around at everything, like all the merchandise emptied out. the entire store is cleared and he just looks around with no there's like almost no expression like he wasn't surprised he was just kind of and I thought maybe I missed something does he already know what's going on I don't remember them having a conversation I guess I just was expecting a bigger reaction if somebody walks into a shop that's completely cleared out you'd be like, uh, what the, what? What's going on? Yeah. You know, he's just a cool cucumber that guy.

I guess so. Yeah, he just likes to keep it all real close to the vest. I didn't notice that. But then, yeah, so then Lee, excuse me, mouth, goes to trick. And, you know, he's like, hey, Chase, I asked you for a job. And then as soon as, and Chase is like, the, Alex goes, you know, I tied a cherry stem into a knot with my time. And as soon as I saw Lee reach for a cherry halfway into that scene, I was like, all right. Oh, yeah. Is this going to be the button? And sure enough it was.

And he pulls out the nodded cherry stem and goes, I'm just saying. How often in middle school did you try and do that or high school? Can you do that? I have pulled it off before. But it takes like an hour and your tongue is all worn out. Oh, yeah. It's so hard to do. it's also it's just it's so funny that that became something that was considered like yeah the benchmark for like sexual prowess was like tongue agility to turn it into to take a cherry stem and twist it into a knot yeah who I don't understand but I remember hearing that in high school and being like oh no I got to figure out how to do this sit around with cherry stems like can I

I wasn't even having sex in high school. I just thought, I guess I better know how to do this. That seems like probably what I should do. Same. I was, you know, virgin high school are probably going, maybe this will be what changes the tide. I should learn how to tie a cherry stem in a knot. Yeah.

Well, I got news for you, folks. I learned and it changed nothing. I went to college a virgin. In case there was any listeners out there going like, maybe this will be what changes things for me. Maybe I should do it. No, it won't. They'll change nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. It's a fun party trick. But yeah. Is it? If we were at a party, Joy, and I did that, would you just, would you, would you, would you be impressed or would you just look around to see how everyone else was reacting? It depends on how bored we were.

I mean, I guess maybe my reaction, it would be, maybe what's important is like the, the delivery on the face of the person who ties it? Yes, yes. Like if I pulled it out very self-satisfied. Or like, look what I did, then maybe it's like, ugh. But if it was just like, yeah, what do you think of that, you know? Yeah, you know, if I'm like, hey, do you have any trash, I'm going to go throw out this drink in napkins and you just like pull the cherry

stem out of your mouth that was in a knot and just set it on my cocktail napkin. Then I might laugh. That would be entertaining. It would be the funniest, weirdest moment of the. the night. It would be. You're like, is that, was this a flirt? What's happening? There's spit on it. I don't know whether it'd be grossed out or intrigued. He's just bored. This is like, it would be like, this is what Rob does when he's bored and doesn't want to talk to anybody at a party. He's just, he's just twisting cherry stems in his mouth. And I just got a little glimpse into that because now I'm

throwing it away. And it would just make me love you all the more. Cut to a year from now, I'm at one of your dinner parties. And I'm just like off being weird. and isolated and you come over and you're like, hey man, are you, do you not liking the vibe? Is this not fun? And I'm like, not now, Joy. I am just fantically trying to tie this cherry stem. So close. With my tongue, okay?

So close. Give me some space. I love the people here. I love the vibe. The food's great, but I'm really focused on the cherry stem knot, okay? Yeah. What other things did we do in high school that we thought were super, super important? And then never used again, other than half of the education.

we received. Oh, geometry, yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. I'm trying to think of like movies or pop culture things that we just thought, man, this is really going to. I mean, driving a stick, it's fun to know how to do, but are you ever going to use it? I haven't since I learned. I had this cringy recall the other day that in high school we used to call like when you made out with someone scamming.

Scamming? Did you hear like, you know, like Alex and Chase totally scammed last night? Yeah. Whoa. I don't know that one. And now as an adult, I hear that and I go, what? That's the dumbest thing. What does that even?

All of our lingo. My little, my little six-year-old niece was hanging out of the holidays and her brother said something and she goes, that's so cap. I, I, I, I, I, and my six-year-old had, niece had to explain it to me because I had no idea where that. even came from. Listen, I feel cool right now because I do know what that means, but I hear you that when I hear the lingo, I'm like, oh, I already feel like the 70 year old man who's like shaking his fist going, get off my lawn. Because I hear like, what's the skibbity and, you know, yeah. And I'm just like, you guys sound like freaking titans. Stop. Use normal words. Will it ever come back? Will it ever come full circle? Like, we're not using swell or, and we still use

cool. But I guess cool is out. No, I think once the lingo is in, it's in and then once it goes out, it's out. I don't think it ever makes a circle back. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television. writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional it feels like Bob Dylan going electric that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence that's sierra teller ornellis who with rutherford falls became the first native showrunner in television history on the podcast burn sage burn bridges we explore her

story along with other native stories such as the creation of the first native comic on or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sageburn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts okay so there's a great scene with brook and victoria at the end. Oh, Brooke and Victoria. We have to talk about this. Okay. Brooke is red hot at Victoria and Millie, rightfully so. And then she comes out and she's like, like, were you never proud of me? Did you not believe in me? And Victoria has that wonderful

retort where she's like, you, you pay me to gamble and I've been gambling on you succeeding because of how much I believe in you. Yes. And the thing you don't pay me for is being proud of you and I've always been proud of you. It's really sweet. You know, Daphne just killed it. Her delivery was just awesome and so sincere. This one is hard because she's saying you pay me to take risks and to do what I think is best for the company.

But I love you and I have your best interest at heart and I'm proud of you. but she's also cheating and not doing what's supposed to be done. So it's like, you know, to have someone tell you, they love you, they have your best interest at heart, they're proud of you, but also what their actions are very opposite. I mean, I guess in Victoria's mind, it's not opposite. But I really struggled with that because I see her sincerity. But come on. But I agree with you.

Because it's, it's, um, she's sort of, she's not telling the whole story, right? Yeah. Because if you love someone and you believe in someone, mostly if you just care about someone, and you are making a decision that is going to expose them to risk, if you care about them, then, and you respect them, then you should, you should tell that to them before you make that decision. Yes. And you should give them an opportunity.

So she signed things that she didn't know, that she didn't know, that she should, she had what she was signing that's so it's beyond deceptive it is deceptive but it's so manipulative it's so disrespectful unloving uncaring um coercive it's not that's not loving yeah no it's it's not and it's a little i don't want to say like gaslighty but like i said she's not telling the whole story just going like it's because i believe in you and i love you And it's like, eh, yes, but you've now look with the consequences. Like, if you loved me, I feel like you would try to prevent me from being in this spot. Or at least come me and be like, hey, we're in a pickle.

Here's what I'm thinking about doing. But it exposes us to some risk. How do you feel about it? But when you just make a unilateral decision that's going to have such huge implications if it doesn't work out, that just seems irons. responsible and brash. I think so. I want to leave room for grace and growing. Like Victoria is rapidly changing as a person. We've seen all of her emotional growth and maturity. And it's exciting. And so I struggle with this because it's, I wonder where the line is between

acknowledging that someone has done something that is unacceptable and also acknowledging that in their mind it was from a good place because their level of emotional intelligence or behavioral intelligence has not has not advanced past what they grew up as and how they function and the best that they know how to how to do in life you know it's like how do you how do you hold someone to a quality standard but also understand that Victoria is not just going to change overnight do you know what I'm saying does that make sense yes it does right because it's she made a big mistake it's not a relationship ender I mean it might be for some people but in this case between the two of them, they're sorting through it.

I didn't mean to cut you off. I'm sorry, Rob. Go ahead. No, no, it's okay. I'm just thinking, like, it's easy for it not to be. You know, I like, it's because she may have been doing these kind of things for like the last 10 years. Yeah.

You know? So it, again, she didn't make the right decision, but there may be a pretty compelling story behind why she did it. Mm-hmm. That's not just she was flying fast. and loose and like, like letting her ego run the show. Like there may have been, like I said, a decade of experience that told her we're okay. We do this a lot.

She comes through. We're all right. You know, I've done this 10 times before and it's never bit us once. It's a calculated risk. Like I said, it's unfortunate that it's going to, it could have huge, huge fallout. Because you're right, by the way, the worst case scenario, isn't she loses close? over bros, that's close to the best case scenario. Yeah, I agree.

The worst case scenario is you're going to white collar prison for a while. Yeah. It's bad. That's, I'm surprised that didn't come up in the writer's room or maybe it did and it was I guess decided that wasn't an option. But yeah, that's all I was thinking of watching this storyline going, oh my God, these people could go to prison, all three of these characters. this is not just losing the company.

Losing the company is bad, but then never being able to open another company or find new investors and then, yes, going to prison. Oh, I don't know what's going to happen. I have no idea. I completely forgot that this storyline existed. Yeah, just about everything that happened in this episode, I was basically watching for the first time, which is fun, though, because I don't know what's coming. Like I told you, I was shocked when you said you were press.

right when Haley said she's pregnant. Yeah. I was like, what? And the only thing that made sense to me was I remember the scene being in a hospital with Sof, excuse me, Brooke, Jamie, Clay, and Quinn, and we're doing the Salteen Challenge. And I remember, so then once I was seeing with that today, I thought, oh, maybe that's when Haley's in labor, we're all at the hospital. Maybe that's when we did the Salteen Challenge.

Oh, yes. remember this. Yeah. Like I said, I had zero recollection of that. But I just, I put that together as I was watching the episode. And I was like, oh, maybe that's why we were all in the hospital together. Yeah, that was one thing thought I had watching this episode was we spent a lot of time in the hospital as a cast. At least once a season, there was some lengthy storyline that included a hospital.

We eventually just bought out a fact, or maybe we were. rented out a factory, an old factory in Wilmington, and gutted the whole bottom floor and turned it into a fake hospital wing because the hallways flowed in a way that made sense for our shots and for cameras. So instead of using our stages that we actually had to go film at, we just started to build at a completely different location, this old factory it was did you ever go wander around there when you like kind of went off of what sets we built and found yourself in just random old abandoned factory machines and no recollection of it that it was in an old factory that's crazy oh no really yeah i wish i remember what it made

i don't know if it was like telephones or if it was baked goods but i definitely remember wandering off and wandering into rooms that were full conveyor belts and wait a second Did you just say it's a factory that either made telephones or baked goods? Could you explain to me what machinery you saw that made you think that specifically either makes a telephone or a croissant? I don't remember. I just remember feeling like when we were there, the memory I have in my brain is somebody told me they make either telephones or something yummy. Incredible. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

We have a fan question. Yes. Would you like to read it? Sure. It's from Bree Nicole. And she's asking, she says, if somebody asked you what the show was about, how would you describe it from season one to season nine? And what are some key points you would talk about to get someone interested?

I feel like this is a question for you. It's teenagers in a small southern town going through average everyday life before the age of cell phones and feeling their feelings. They grow up together. They have lots of drama together. And there's this constant three. line of hope and redemption and there's a constant arc of struggle and how you lean on each other to overcome it. I would say that's sort of the long through line. But key points to tell people about to get them interested. I don't know. Sex tape. Sheetings, car crashes. Oh, yes. Dogs eating hard

Bugs eating hearts. Doppel ganger, psychopaths. Yeah. Motivational, hero, villain becomes a motivational speaker. Russian mafia, which we get to eventually. Oh, my gosh. I completely forgotten about that. Yeah.

Yeah. All that. All that. Plus just regular old emotions. Do you have an honorable mention from this episode? I thought Austin was great in the episode. He was really fun to watch, interact with Jamie. His comic timing is his flat, dry sense of humor that really comes out and plays very well off of Jackson was just super fun to watch.

What about you? The honorable mention I want to say is you saying that we shot at a factory that either made telephones or baked goods. but to give proper credit where it's due, my honorable mention, I will give to Jackson because I thought he was so funny in this episode. Yes. He didn't push it.

He wasn't reaching for, like there was a very good subtlety and kind of confidence to it where he was, like I said, he wasn't putting anything on it. And which is crazy for a young person to have sort of that comfort

and confidence, and like, this is just going to be funny. Like, typically kids would, like, punch it. Isn't that funny? You know? And he was just like, you got to let that go, man. The Ben Brian Fernandez thing or, you know, he was just great. So, yeah, Jackson, he's my honorable mention. I'm on board.

Hey, let's spin a wheel. Thanks for hanging out with us today, friends. Okay, go ahead. I did the question. Most likely to order dessert before dinner. I kind of feel like Sophia, but I don't know why. Do you think that's true? Interesting.

I feel like they could also be Hillary. Yeah. Yeah, both of them, I think, for, I think for different reasons. I think Hillary's always been very nonchalant. I don't think she's a foodie. She wasn't raised with this sort of like passion around food. So I think she'd just be like, yeah, whatever, just put in front of me. I'll eat it.

Um, Sophia, I could see ordering dessert before dinner out of a sense of adventure and like, especially if she was hanging out with one of her god children or something and maybe being like, yeah, let's do it. Why not? Let's just have a whole bunch of pie or ice cream or whatever. Would, would you bump on that? Someone was like, hey, let's eat dessert before our entree. That depends on the day and how much I've eaten.

If you run a date, a first date. Oh, first date? And the guy was like, hey, do you want to get crazy? And you're like, oh, my God, yeah, what are you thinking? And he's like, I want to order us dessert before we have our entrees. What are you feeling? Be like, yes, sign me up. Let's do it.

Let's see what happens. It might be a whole digestive adventure. I never knew possible. Yep. Are you a dessert before dinner, kind of a person? Not true, like not historically, but. I am not opposed to it. Like if we order in, like we did this few times over the holidays,

like we ordered Mexican and the place serves churros, I'm absolutely ordering churros. Oh, yes. I will take a churro out of the bag and like snack on that first. Yes. Okay. All right. We're on the same page. Yeah. All right. Next episode, season eight, episode three, The Space in Between.

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We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Charing for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. You could be the smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queen, drama queen. It may look different, but Native Culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.