Drama Queens - Backseats and Basketballs with Lee Norris (Marvin “Mouth” McFadden) • EP103

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

Let us let you in on a little secret...that was no ordinary basketball in Season 1, Episode 3 "Are You True”. Hilarie, Sophia and Joy reveal what Lucas really had going on. The absolutely delightful Lee Norris joins the Drama Queens to share his highs and lows, must hear stories, and heartwarming memories. As these pals reminisce you truly will love "Mouth" even more than you thought possible. Plus, a little backseat bravado and we begin to prepare you for your own trip to Wilmington. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Oh, hello, everybody. Hey, hello. We survived another week. Episode three. I have no, like, recollection of that episode. So watching it was really fun. And, like, kind of voyeuristic, because watching the whole Nathan Haley thing unfold was, like,

brand new for me. Yeah, that was exciting. It was fun to see it from, from this perspective, rather than from just being, and I had sense memory. I didn't have a lot of it the last two episodes, but this one I had a lot of sense memory of being there. I remembered being sitting at that table. I remember the whole Cracker Jack scene. And I forgot that it was in this episode. I thought that happened later. I thought she was like, I agree to tutor you and then like later he did that. So that was kind of cool. That's fun to see. Did you have any idea in the moment that that little

bench was going to become like a cultural icon in downtown Wilmington. They have burned a million years. Did I think that? I mean, how many people have proposed at that bench, the photos we see of like engagements and and, you know, people there with their babies and it's so cool. And their babies named Haley. I know. I know. And like to see it, it's just this beautiful two shot. The DP got. it just right and whatever time of day you guys did it. You know, it was like magic hour, the reflection of sunset in the water, or I guess it would have been sunrise because it was

supposed to be 7 a.m. Yeah. It's just so pretty. It was iconic. It was so beautiful. The way the water was glowing and everything. And then the fact that Nathan looks at her and says that line, don't say I never gave you anything. I mean, that is the line that fans quote to me. You know, you were saying your art matters is the one that you get all the time, Hillary. That's the that I get all the time. Don't say I never gave you anything. It just, it meant so much to people. And I also clocked, which I didn't,

I don't know that I clocked it when we were filming, but Haley's still wearing the bracelet at the end of the night. Like, she didn't take it off. Why didn't she take it off? That gave me shivers a little bit, because it made me wonder, like, had Haley ever had, like, a little boyfriend in middle school? Like, had Haley ever had that, like, deep flirtation

before. Was this like the first boy that was, I don't know, did you guys have a conversation about that? We didn't, but I, yeah, I do remember thinking that and feeling like this is the first, that's why she's getting drawn in, even though she's trying to be a good friend and, you know, to do the right thing and help someone who's in need. Yeah, I mean, the captain of the basketball team. Captain, is that, is that the word? The lead. So handsome. I still don't know basketball terms. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. That's so funny.

Yeah, I think you hit it. That's it. That's it. Speaking of things that were incredibly authentic, what I like about our show is that there's nothing like cool. The hazing takes place in someone's mom's minivan. Yeah. And they just throw him in a puddle. It's the worst that they do. We got you wet and dirty. She said her. Like, what? They soaked his clothes with water in his locker. Where was it pee?

Do we know? I don't know. That would have been worse because I'll tell you what, I had bullies in sixth grade and they put dog shit in my locker. And like, that was horrendous. Your sixth grade bullies were harder than teenage boys in this episode. Oh, my God. I mean, it was in Jersey, so maybe that's part of it.

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that's pretty funny. That's all they did was push him in a bottle. You looked so cute with your little barrettes in this episode. Yeah. Was that your idea to do picktails? I have no idea.

I don't remember that at all. I feel like it must have been. It probably was. Our bosses were always like, just wear your hair down. Oh, yeah. I was like, no, I want her to look really sweet and innocent. It worked. I mean, even just that last shot of Haley and Lucas on the bench.

And I saw what a baby face I was and just the innocence and sort of what I caught a moment of the appeal that everybody loved about Nathan and Haley, that it was so young. We were so young and feeling so many big things. And there was such a like a purity to it. The way that you held Haley's experience and held that choice and for this noble idea, of saving your friend sort of you know took on something that you were afraid of it it was just so fun to watch who is fun well let's talk about the acting range though joy because my favorite thing on the internet is that montage that one of your fans cut together of all your kissing scenes from when you were on a soap opera it was like it was like the sexiest ever um it was so passionate and

intense and you did it as like a teenager and that was all pre one tree hill yeah so then to see you flip that switch and just be the most pure little angel on the planet i was like this girl knows what she's doing oh it's so fun i had so much fun with haley like with a cool cool character by the way talk about having fun brook was like a ball in this episode My face is still red, you guys. Like, look at me and look at you. I'm very red. Oh, my God.

It was such a weird, like when you had that moment at the dock and you were like, oh, this scene. I popped up out of Lucas's backseat and I went, oh, God, this scene. Oh, no. Like, I couldn't even look at it. And I remember, oh, and Hillary, you called me out. You were like, you went from all girls school to this. I was like, listen, I can't talk about it. Like, I, I remember being in there and, like, understanding.

They were like, you know, you're doing this thing. And, and you've really got to try to seduce him. And they just, like, kept telling me to be sexier. They were like, well, everything you say should be, you know, an invitation. And I look back and I'm like, oh, God, a bunch of creepy old dudes wrote this and then, like, told me what their fantasy was. I don't know about this. You're 21? Could you sex this up?

That'd be great. Yeah. Could you just really, with every word you say, suggest that you'd like to have intercourse with this person? Wait, so waiting in the backseat is one thing. Like, waiting in the backseat is one thing. But did you girls in high school ever change in the back seat of a car with a boy, like a boy that you liked that was driving or whatever? No. Really? No. I did. No. What joy? Joy. You were kissing on TV with all that skill. No. Are you serious? Yeah. Well, I also, I mean, again, God, it's so nerdy. I went to an all-girls school, dude. Like, I was driving around with girls all the time. Yeah. I did get, though, being a camp counselor, very good at doing a full change in my sleeping bag, like in a cabin. Because I felt weird about, like, you know, taking my clothes off around kids that weren't mine, even though I was in charge of them. So I was like, I would, like, I would. change in my sleeping bed and just pop out. I definitely like changed in cars all the time, but like never with a boy. Really? Ever. Yeah. Who'd you change in front of? I don't, I mean,

I remember a couple of times. I was, there was like, I mean, there was one, I remember in particular, um, this boy that I kind of liked, but we, I don't know, we were, we just had to go somewhere and I was like, I got to change. But listen, part of it being a theater kid, I was so comfortable going backstage and you just there's quick changes and you don't think twice about it and it's not like your body it's like your body you just got to like change but did you do dance too i did yeah so you there's a body awareness that dancers have that like clunky people like me are always kind of mystified by like wow they know what you know their joints are supposed to do yeah but i remember feeling i also you know I was, my boobs were developing.

It was high school, like I was getting attention from boys. You know, it was like, there was all kinds of other things going on too. Is that when you were doing your Marie-A-carry thing? We're in hoop earrings. Oh, yeah, that full-on, like, yeah. A dark liner with the frosty lip. Yep. And, yeah.

Oh, the 90s. So hold on, real life and then TV life, Brooke and Joy, or Brooke and Hayley, and then Sophia and Joy flip-flopped. Like, Joyce changing with dudes. Sophia's an all-girl. And now Sophia slut it up on the show. They really, they took this episode to paint you two as polar opposites. Yeah.

They really did. They really did. And I will say the thing that I loved that we got, which thinking about, again, who was writing all this stuff for us, it seems even more like a miracle now. But Hill, when we had the scene, you know, in the hallway and like Brooke gets her brawback from Lucas and then you come and, you know, chase me out. And I watched myself like be more myself. Like she was just a kid who was like, no, he, I think he's just nice. And you could see that that was such a change for her and something that made her feel so excited. And it, that seemed like innocent and youthful.

to me. And then she switches it right back. Like, that's the thing I'm remembering now watching is that Brooke Davis, when she would let her real feelings come out, would always cover it with like a, it's going to be great when he sleeps with me. It's going to try to resist. By the way, Brooke actually kind of came off to me as a virgin in this, in this episode. Like she's, you know, it's a lot of big talk. Yeah. Like she's really trying to make everybody think something that's actually not true for whatever reasons going on in her personal life. But that's the whole thing. is her, through this first season, especially what I had to find for her was that she was actually just a really scared little kid who desperately was seeking validation anywhere that she could get it

and was very willing to play the part of like, I have it all together when she didn't feel like that. So I love seeing the moments. When we do merch, let's make a promise, okay? I want joy to make these little bracelets but out of like rose courts and like amethyst like let's class them up i wrote it down did you and then i need a brook davis cheetah bra in my life let's why don't i have one i don't know girl i want them pushed up the backseat briggs bras yeah i feel like those would so i'm so i'm into it guys email us and tell us what you think would you would you buy your uh backseat leopard bra and a fancy crackerjack bracelet. I'm thinking like a very chic charm bracelet.

You know what I mean? What's our email address at IHeart? Drama queens at Iheartradio.com. There it is. The other thing that stood out to me so big from the backseat, actually, there would be a silver lining there. But when I had to lean over and say, how many moments can you point to and say, that's when it all changed.

Perfect. And I keep asking him if he can feel it. Like, can you feel it? Everything changed for you today. And then you keep seeing these moments where it all changes for each of us. Peyton gets her artwork accepted at Thud and then also defends her artistic thesis. Haley, it turns around and there's Nathan in the tutoring office and he says, I need you to tutor me.

Like, we have these moments that we can point to for each of our characters. And when Lucas looks at Brooke and says, you don't have to act this way, you know, and he's the first guy that. that's ever said that to you. Yeah. We all had those little moments. Yeah. And it was the beginning of seeing Brooks as sort of the voice of wisdom that she eventually became and grew more and more into.

Oh, I love that. It was cool. It was really good. And what I love is the foreshadowing of being in that waxing parlor. And Brooke makes this whole thing about, I want stability and I want a boyfriend, but nothing dramatic. like you and Nathan. Like the foreshadowing there is so on point. Mm-hmm.

It's so true. Also, we probably should talk about the Chad being naked with the basketballs. Oh, my God. Oh, God. We should talk about that joy. You're right. Okay, so apparently what they did was they cut a hole in the basketball for Chad. But then wouldn't it have deflated?

I don't know. It's like paper machet. I don't know. It was some like big prop thing that they made for him. Where does it live now? Where is said prop basketball now? That's a good question. It's probably in some creepy storage bin that has like a code on the front of it in a warehouse at Warner Brothers like somewhere in the valley and no one will ever see it again.

Oh God. This is the dick ball. It's going to be great. Yeah. Big fun. episode um and we also are very lucky this episode to have one of our dear friends joining us he was here from the jump yeah um yes and so let's we're going to go to break but don't go anywhere because we have a total babe waiting for you hey hey it may look different but native culture is very alive

my name is nicole garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern

world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, one of our favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite. favorite co-stars there from the very beginning. You may know him as Marvin Mouth McFadden. We know him from the Torkelsons. We know him as Minkus from Boy Meets World.

He's been in so many movies at this point. He does all these David Fincher movies that put him on a level that make us all jealous. Yeah, for like 30 seconds. Whatever, Lou. Oh, whatever. He was in Zodiac. Also, you did like October Road with Greenberg? Yeah, yeah.

We had our Christmas movie, and interestingly enough, Rhoda Griffiths, who played my mother. It was in the episode. Was just in this episode. Wasn't the episode that I wasn't, by the way. I was like, I had my notebook out and I was like, oh, no, I'm not in this episode. Lee, we love you. Leenoris, ladies and gentlemen. It's so good to see you.

The last time the four of us were together, I don't even remember. It's insane. So long. I know. Was it a convention? Probably. Maybe, but I feel like Sof and Hill you were there, but I don't know if Joey made it. And, like, Joey, I think the last time I saw you was when we did, like, James and Steve Coletti's, like.

Yeah, that's right. Although we did talk recently when you bought Girl Scout cookies from my daughters. Oh, my God. Those Girl Scout cookies. We, you Sophia, myself, and Brian Greenberg all got very giggly at a bar. at a bar at a hotel in Wilmington the last time we did a convention together there yes we did remember he was going to be like guys we're just going to meet for like five minutes and by two o'clock in the morning we had the bartender ordering us pizza we're like please can you feel it we really

need some carbs please please are you in north carolina right now yeah yeah i'm in north carolina and so weird um i was actually just in wilmington we went down to redsville beach like two weeks ago um just for beach vacation, and it was so trippy to be there. It coincided with the release of your first episode. So, of course, I'm, like, listening in the car as I'm grabbing to Wilmington and literally was, like, you know, seeing all the places and, like, being a Tower 7 and just feeling, like, really connected to it in a different way. So.

What I would give? How did you get the job of mouth? Like, how did that come together for you? Yeah. You know, this first season was so crazy for me because, or in the pilot, I was in school at Wake Forest, which is in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, for anybody that doesn't know, which is like three and a half hours from Wilmington, where we shot.

And, you know, I had done those shows as a kid, and I sort of kept an agent around. But by the time I got to college, I'd seen kids, like, come into women's world, forget a line, and get fired. And I was like, oh, wow, this is like a business. This isn't just, you know, fun saying lines or whatever. So I at that point was like, well, maybe I'll go to law school. Like when I was at Wake, I thought that's what I was going to do. I was like, it's kind of like being an actor, right?

You're a lawyer. You get up and you, you know, you know, just- Poetic and- Exactly. I'm going to tell the facts and convince everyone. So that's what I thought I was going to do. And then the audition for Ravens, Wentry Hill, you know, got sent to my agent. I knew it was shooting in Wilmington. My agent was like, just go to Wilmington and audition.

All my friends were going on spring break. They were like going to Cancun, getting wait. And I was like, well, I'm going to Wilmington to audition for this show. I'll never hear from, whatever. And then, you know, I did it. And they brought me back into, I guess, do like a chemistry read with Colin Fickis. So that was my chemistry. Oh, yay.

Testing, you know, Jimmy and Mouth together. And Colin is someone that I knew. We grew up, like, auditioning in North Carolina together for stuff. So, yeah, that's how it came about. And I have to give a lot of credit to Wake Forest. They were really cool to let me do the pilot. And then to do the first. season. You know, I was recurring. So I, not being irregular, I didn't want to, I really wanted

to graduate because it was my senior year at Wake when we were shooting the first season. So I was driving back and forth that first year between Wade and Wilmington, writing papers in the trailer all night at the river court, driving back to Wake Forest, taking a test on like two hours of sleep, getting back in my car, coming back to Wilmington. But it was, you know, it was crazy, but it was so worth it because I got to graduate and I got to do this show that I had no idea would take me 10 years of my life.

Dude, weren't you in like an a cappella group too? I remember you being like gosh, remember he was in a group? Of course I was in an of course I was an acapella nerd, Hillary. You know I was. I loved it. You'd be like, hey man, my group's performing on Thursday if you guys want to come check it out.

Yeah. Dude, our group was the first co-ed acapella group on campus. That was like a big deal. that it was men and women. Like, this is a Southern college. Like, it was like, we were, like, the risky kids that, like, could have girls and guys in the same group. Like, what are they doing practice?

The risky Acapea kids. Oh, my God. What was your jam? What was, like, what was the jam that you guys performed? So, we sang sexual healing, and I sang it as a duet with a girl, my friend Susie. And it was, yeah. Oh, my God. Had you hung out in Wilmington before?

Yeah. you know, growing up, I grew up in North Carolina. When I wasn't in L.A. shooting the shows, I always came back to North Carolina because this is where my family and friends were. And so I had done two episodes of Dawson's, just as like little throwaway characters and had gotten kind of a peak at that world on a lot of our crew. And I did all those terrible TV movies in the 90s where I was like the kidnapped and battered and abused child.

Wait, give us some names. Give us names. Any place but home. was the name of one and I was actually kidnapped and I didn't want to go home because Alan Thick was my dad and he was abusing me. I mean, you can't even make this stuff up. Actually, that brings up a good point because you having grown up in this business, I kind of grew up. I started when I was 12, but I think you were younger when you started, right?

How old were you when you? I was nine when I did the 12. Yeah. So you really grew up in this business. I mean, what was that like from your perspective coming into Wilmington and seeing a bunch of us who were like, you know, some people who were super novice at, you know, 17, 18, I had been around a little bit longer, but, you know, you must have known so much more about the business and what the expectations were and, you know, kind of watched us stumbling through it. What was that

like? No, it was, I mean. You were so helpful. Like you, I know you were really. I mean, I, I just remember coming in and, you know, again, sort of picking up on what I was just saying, watching kids get fired like i came in with this very it's ingrained in you as a child actor you're like or back then it was like you hit your mark you know your lines you don't ruffle feathers you know i just wanted to work and be there and so i just tried to you know i was always the first one in the van to go to set like you know i didn't want to give them any reason yeah because i love doing the show and i loved you guys and i wanted to you know the mouth was just a total literally a sideline character just had you know nothing to do at the start

So I had no idea whether they would keep writing for me or not. In fact, Sophia, I remember one night we were in, like, I heart New York pizza after, do you remember that place? Oh, my God. Yes. Downtown we'd had some drinks or whatever. And, like, I just was convinced that they weren't bringing me back. And I was like, guys, it's been nice knowing you. I really enjoyed getting to meet you all.

Like, I'm not going to see you. And so if you're like, shut up, we're going to make them bring you back. And I was like, I have no idea. I was like, you are not leaving. That's right. That will not allow it. But no, I mean, it was just coming in, I, you know, it was a totally different world to doing something like Boy Meets World,

which was a sitcom and was so contained. And I was really inspired by you guys because I watched you, you know, taking on these, we were still kids, really. I mean, but we were growing up really quickly and figuring out these roles and figuring out things behind the scenes. And, you know, when I saw you guys stand up for things, I was like, oh, that's, well, can we ever? do that? Like, that's amazing.

These girls don't know the rules. That's what I'm like, I'm wondering if you just sat back and watched us step in landmine after landmine and you're like, nope, can't do that. I'll never forget a day where I got really frustrated on set and we were all in our cast chairs and Lee just looked at me. It was that scene on the quad. You know which one I'm talking about. And Lee just looked at me. He goes, well, tomorrow's a new day. Like, it was so. Like I'm a 90-year-old character actor with a sit-a-old.

I think it up for a kid, you know what I mean? You'll be fine, kid. No, I was totally inspired by you guys. And Hillary, you were so sweet to me at the pilot. I remember I came in because Julie and so if you guys hadn't gotten there yet, and Hill, I remember you came in, and I knew you from MTV, and I thought you were, like, you were gorgeous and smart and just like the epitome of cool. And, you know, I was just like number, what, 12 on the call sheet?

Like, no one had to be nice to me. And you came right up to me. And you were like, look, my brothers don't care about Chad Michael Murray. They care about Minkus. Like, they were so, you made me feel so at ease and I'll always love you. Yeah, I think I probably made you sign things. I was like, hold on, I'm going to need you to sign some stuff. Because Bored Meads World was like a huge deal when we were growing up.

You were on a hit, hit show. And like us doing the pilot of One Tree Hill, no one ever thought that would go. You know, so you were the godfather, you know, that had actually done it. How long did Boy Meets World Run? I think they did, I don't know, six or seven seasons, but the thing about that is I only did the first season and people don't realize that, I think. Really?

Sometimes think I was there. Yeah. I mean, the thing about the character was it was so, you know, it was such a fun and memorable character that I think people just, and then I came back later and did like an episode where they graduated from high school and they brought me back. And then when they did their reunion show, they were cool enough to bring me in and um so yeah you know and honestly i have to say i'm really glad

actually that it worked out the way it did because i don't know that i would have gotten the opportunity to do our show to do one tree hill if i'd been on that the whole time because you know how it is you get locked into those roles oh yeah and you guys knew we'd be out like you know and people would scream mincus from across the bar and it's like yeah if i'd been on the whole time from one season that's right so that's what i mean i almost feel like it was kind of fortuitous that you know I wasn't just so locked in even though I sort of am. So the subtext here is that Lee can take a couple episodes

and make an iconic character. Are you my dad? That's right. What, three scenes? David Stier keeps calling you. You guys, I need to talk to you more often. Lee, were you a fan basketball? That's right.

Were you a basketball fan when you started? I mean, you had a lot of dialogue. This was like a medical jargon or like legal jargon, the amount that you just had to like, I mean, how was that for you? Yeah, no, I was. I was, because I was at Wake Forest,

which is a big ACC basketball school. So when I came in for the audition, I was actually wearing my, it was called like the Freaking Deacons because the Demon Deacons were our mascot. And I was into like the basketball club that like the fans that like amped out for tickets. You sweet little bunny.

You know, I mean, I loved it. There was no way I was ever going to play basketball. But, you know, I loved locking it, you know? So, you know, Yeah, no, I was a fan. And that was, you know, nice for me to sort of channel that and bring that into those early days when that's really all he was. And it wasn't until, you know, like later in the season

when the cheerleading and the broken mouth boy toy stuff that is really started to kind of flesh him out. I love that the most. That's like truly one of my favorite storylines of my whole nine years. But I'm curious about the jargon and the lingo, So, like, you being part of that whole basketball scene at Wake Forest, were there, like, college basketball reporters that you were listening to prep to, like, learn the way they talk and now, there he goes, down in line, and it shoots, and it's such a way that they do that. I probably should have been doing that, but I mean, I just watched a lot of ESPN in general, so I was just poor taking. Yeah, and the thing about mouth is, is he was, he didn't have to be professional.

Like this was a kid who was just passionate and was sort of, you know, he was, he was, you know, the nerdy kid who was, who was trying to find his voice. So I didn't, I think the great thing was, I didn't have to be perfect at it. There was room to kind of be like a novice about it. I think it was just enough that I sort of naturally enjoyed watching the game. But yeah, it was, it was a lot. And like, sitting on that picnic bench at the river court, my ass was like, Jake after sitting there all, you know, you know it would be out there like all night. 17 hours. It's like insta bonding. There's no other business I can think of where it's like this. I mean, maybe in military, I don't know, where you just get thrown in with people, a bunch of people you don't know. And all of a sudden, you're up all night together. You're spending long hours and like lots of time sitting around, lots of time just quietly available to talk. And, you know, it's really cool.

Did you feel, because you were there for all those river court nights and everything. That was your gig. So did you feel like you were able to really connect in with the whole group? Or did you feel like, yeah, what was your experience like in the first season? Those, I don't know about you guys, but those were always my favorite scenes when they got all of us together. And we just got, you know, it was 3 a.m. and we're just, you know. Goofy. Colin Moss is singing like the theme song to the Golden Girls and we're just like, like, like, that was the most fun.

And I feel like, you know, being and what really struck me because your podcast has inspired, Andrea and I, we've gone back and started watching it now because we're like, oh, we're watching all these other shows in quarantine and stuff. So, you know, we started going back and so we watched the pilot this weekend and up through this episode. And it's just so crazy to me, like to see, especially in this episode,

you see so much of downtown at the river, the river walk and all of that. And to think that that was the backdrop for our show, but that was the backdrop for our real lives too. So it's like, I'm seeing the steps that they're sitting on for the burning boat thing. And like, that's the steps that we were like, you know, kind of buzzed on it 2 a.m. talking about. Yeah, Greenberg playing a guitar. Exactly. It's just so surreal.

But yeah, those are by far my favorite scenes, you know. Lee, were there any like misconceptions about mouth? Anything that, you know, people maybe didn't quite understand. about him or anything that you really felt you wanted people to understand about him? I don't know. You know, I mean, I think as far as mouth, I think what's interesting about him is you see him as sort

of the nice guy, and yet he was written in a different time. And I think this is true about all of our characters, right? I mean, there was things that were written for him that now when I go back and look at it, I'm like, oh, I don't know if he should have walked up to Brooke and just kissed her without asking it. high school you know what i mean it's like there's just things like that but you know at the same time we're making a tv show and if we all just did the right thing all the time it would be boring so i

understood that it was like heightened and um different but yeah i mean i don't know there was things where he like threw the brick at the windshield of brook's car and i was like where does this come from you know what i mean it's like reading the script and yeah i'm like here's the child actor and be like got to keep this job so i'm just going to do whatever or just like Hillary like in the later season Mouth is like in a fat suit and I was like what is this I had no idea

Lee told me about this just like you know we did our Christmas movie a couple years ago and we're all staying in like a Hampton Inn in Louisiana and Lee would come over at the end of the workday and we just talk about stuff that same way like we've all kind of decompressed together and Lee's like oh yeah do you remember

like when Mouth was in a fat suit and I'm like what? what are you talking about? I totally missed all of that. Yeah. So I don't, these aren't so much misconceptions. It's just,

I think that he can be viewed through a different lens now. And my hope is that I always, no matter what was written, I just, I always wanted people to see his, his real heart that he wanted to be a loyal and good friend. Whether he always did the right thing is,

is definitely up for debate. But I hope that, because it was important for me to be on the show. I mean, there was, when they went to make me a regular, the network was like, well, it doesn't look like a model. And it's like, come on, guys. Like, you know, how many James and Chads do you need?

Like, I thought what was cool about our show was that it was, it was a little more grounded. And it was nice to see a human face looking back. And so I've always, of course, been protective of him because I spent so long playing him. But, you know, I understand that there are people that can feel differently about them. Did the writers ever, like, did you have input with the writers when at some point, as you got, as you stayed longer and got more comfortable, like just being there and being a part and really became a part of the show, were there times when the writers would come to you and be like, hey, what, would you have any ideas or things like that?

No. That did not happen. And again, I think it all stems from that, just how I was raised. So, like, I'm just going to see this through. But, and I do want to be careful, too. There are writers on the show that I love. that I'm friends with. And listen, coming up with storylines for these, all of these characters for nine years.

A lot of spin-in-plates. It's no wonder that I ended up in a fancy. Like, I mean, at some point, what are you going to do for these characters? So I want to be careful and say, I loved playing him. He was a great character. He got to do funny stuff. He got to do drama. So, you know, I'm grateful for that.

Mouth was special because he was the every man. You know what I mean? Like Mouth represented every kid in high school that wasn't captain of the basketball team. Wasn't Captain of the Chilion Squad? Like, he's an important person for our fan base to be able to connect to. Right. However, mouth pulled chicks. Like, every chick on the show had a mouth episode, is what I'm saying.

I never understood. We had our go-kart rendezvous. We did. What was you in Sof had? What was your romance? What did you guys do? I took Mouth to a strip club. Right.

Right, right. We had like a night in a limo. We were all dressed up. Oh, God, I can't wait to get to that episode and figure out what in God's name we were doing. But I just remember that Lee and I were both so uncomfortable. And, you know, this had to be Brooke Davis's idea. Of course. And I am like, what is happening?

And the writers are like, it's going to be great. And I was like, I feel really uncomfortable. And you, sweet angel, you were like, I just, this feels, I don't know. And you just kept putting your hands up because, like, you don't want the. the girls that think you were going to try to touch them. And so the girls that had been hired to, like, be these, I mean, they were strippers. Yeah. Who were hired to come on the show drew us little notes and smiley faces and their pasties.

Oh, my God. I totally forgot about that. You're right. Aw. Pasty faces. Yeah. So they wore pasties because, like, they knew we were just. They wrote notes on their pasties. Yeah. Like, hi, I love the show. Like little smile. What? What? Joy. I didn't know. I didn't know. I was a striper thing. How did this storywork around DeJoy saying I did that? When were you wearing pasties in someone's left? In the back of a high school boy's car? No, it was not Montreal.

It was a pilot I did later and I had to do my first, like, sex scene and I had pasties on and I just did in glitter, like up here with arrows, like, you know, up on one and here and the other. Look at my face. Yeah, stop it was another one. Oh, my God. You had multiple strip club opportunities on our show. Where did that pure gold?

I became the stripper later. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's right. Yeah. How long did it take before you were comfortable enough to show us your dance moves? Because for anybody that doesn't know, Lee is the best dancer on the show. The best. So good. Well, I mean, that was in my younger age. Now I have a two-year-old, and I can't even bend over. But, you know, well, I think you guys, I've heard you talk about this on the earlier episodes. Like, we saw pieces of ourselves start to being worked into the characters.

and, you know, we would go out, have some drinks or whatever, and we would blow off scene. We would go to, like, Oliver Twist, and it was 80s night. Oh, my God. We would go out and just dance, and we were having fun, right? I mean, and do you remember, like, downtown Wilmington and it being a big deal to get into Oliver Twist? Like, you don't rain the line in Wilmington.

Like, you were in Manhattan or something. Guys, we're on the list. Well, and then we could only go to certain places because James could only get end to, like, certain. places that he was doing anything illegal not at all not that he wasn't 21 yet but lee i will say like you and i laid the foundation of our friendship yeah on loving hip hop and going dancing do you remember our song i don't i'm going to do we love the yin yin twins oh my god i remember that that is our song. We would be like, you know, we would be like across the like bar or whatever if this song

would come on. It was like, you know, it was like the red sea would part because Lee and I would be screaming running toward each other like some weird drunken version of like a slow-mo love moment in like an 80s movie. And we just hit the middle of the floor and like we'd get the whole bar dancing. And this didn't happen once. It happened all the time. Like all the time. That's how we became friends with Jane Beck, because she heard we would, like, go out dancing. So she started coming with us, and then Jane would do push-ups on the edge of the pool tables.

That's right. Oh, my God. Up at Steph's Bar, the one upstairs, Odessa. Odessa, the pool table. Yes. And we were all like, Jane's the coolest person we've ever met. The coolest. And for everyone listening at home,

Jane Beck is, you know, one of our very best friends from the show. Worked in our wardrobe department for years is like a brilliant, badass creative woman who also, is the strongest person I've ever met and can do push-ups in a handstand. Yeah. And I have to say, too, guys who are listening, don't be afraid.

Don't be afraid to get on the dance floor. I mean, this is how I met my wife. Yeah. You can always get the ladies with dancing. There's tons of guys standing on the side and they're not going to get in there. So go out, do it, have fun, and you never know what's going to take you.

But yeah, then, of course, showed up in the script, you know, three episodes later. where Mouth's like spying on cheerleaders and learns this together, and learns it's so precious. Yeah. What was your favorite episode, Lee? Oh, my God. I mean, I had different ones for different reasons.

I mean, I think 316, the school shooting is like obviously important for a lot of reasons, not just the obvious ones about the subject matter, but also like the whole, you know, we didn't know if the show was going to make it because that's when the networks were combining. And I think we all felt like sort of spurred to try to do something to prove like we're worthy to like continue on or whatever. So that one's special. And then I love, I love the, honestly, I love the last, the very last episode where

Mouth gets to give his speech about what you do matters and how you do it matters. And they set up a scholarship fund based on Jenny and all that. So there's pieces of different ones. And then all the times we went on trips. You know, it was just so fun whenever we get. It was like sleep waking, you know. Trips were fun. She's a good traveling buddy.

Let's just put it that way. Lee's also the guy that you want in your corner. We're going to get into a little segment in one second. But before we do that, I need everyone to know if you're ever at a wedding and you need to sit next to someone that will get you in trouble, it is Lee, Norris. We went to Tyler Hilton's wedding together. Oh, my God. And they sat us at the actor table.

at the reception and an actor who will remain nameless who was much more famous than we are. We'll tell you after. We tried to include them in our conversation because, right, like we're all like small town, Southern kids like, hey man, let's be friends, you know, that's you engage when you meet strangers. Was this person by themselves at the wedding? No. No, they were with their girlfriend. Oh, okay.

But Lee and I try to get this person to like engage. and we're like, oh, we're terrible idea, right? And so we're like, hey, what's up? And they just stood up and walked her way. Just like left. And so as the night progresses, and Lee and I are on the dance floor and drinking drinks and having a great night, the whole rest of the night will have to beep this. Lee would yell out to this guy across the wedding.

And I was just like, it's such a strong move to know who you're. circle of friends are and to be like we're going to roll deep tonight friends and i don't care that it's someone's nuptials we're going for it oh my god he's the best date that's a good day that's so phenomenal lee we got stories guys your wedding was the best like i have seen photos from your wedding where i'm just like who is that person i was dancing with and then like there's we were all just raging it was like a sea of bodies so fun it was like a music festival but it was also like a very beautiful gorgeous like north carolina on the water event but like we just can't help ourselves we turn it into we turn it into a rager if we're in the same room yeah no the wedding the wedding planner

was like do you want a band or a DJ that's like the big question when you're having a wedding and I was like looking around Wilmington I'm like I don't know if there's any bands that are going to be able to pull off ying ying twins so how about a DJs they brought in a DJ and we just you know fall behind i loved it when that song turned Andrea is so sweet y'all Andrea is lee's wife and our song came on and she just literally handed you to me and i was like thank you thank you this is our moment she loves you yeah yeah yeah i know Andrea loves me because of that moment god and i mean all the years of our friendship obviously yeah but lee norris the moment i realized you really loved me and that we were like really in it and we'd become best friends

was when two might have been three years into our friendship yeah you finally admitted to me that you do not ever allow anyone to eat off your plate ever I have eaten off of your plate since so many times second night we had dinner together I just was like oh that was delicious I'm going to try that and Lee I didn't know was like oh my God And he would eat around the bites I had taken for months, but didn't have the heart to, like, break my little Italian, like, family-style spirit. And eventually he got over it and, you know, we would just share food. But you told me years later.

And I was like, you sweet human. Well, there was something clearly wrong with me. I don't know why it was just one of those weird things. But, like, I grew up as an only child, as you did so often. And so I just wasn't used to, like, that feast or famine environment of, like, you know, I just... Don't touch my things, guys. God. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories,

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That you remember. I know we were saying, you know, it's hard to remember all of them because it's a lot of episodes and a lot of in and out. So, I mean, but just whatever comes to mind. Yeah. Yeah, there's too many. I mean, I think one of my favorites, I can't pin down a favorite. One of my favorites was just the way the whole storyline with Jimmy Edwards played out.

With Colin being a friend of mine and him coming back and doing that amazing, powerful performance, and I know you'll have him on to talk about that. So doing that and then like the follow-up episode where like Mouth gets, I think takes Jimmy's yearbook and like gets it signed by everyone and takes it to Jimmy Edwards' mom who was played by the sweet, amazing actors who was in North Carolina, who was a professor at UNCW, who was just like, she started crying in the scene and I started crying. I was just like, you know, those are, that was a really, that was a favorite. I loved the relationship with Brooke.

I loved that it evolved from this, him having a crush on her thing to just being, you know, like we are, like friends, like good friends, you know? And just, I always love those scenes. Least favorite, the seat, when, I mean, the fat soup, you know, just whatever. I can't wait till we get there. It has so much has been made of this thing. And I can't wrap my head around it.

I, you know, I think the other one that I, that I sometimes cringe about was, like, mouth in his, he, like, hooked up with his boss at the TV station. And I was just like, oh, that's right. I was challenging, you know, again, it's just, it's hard. It's hard to come up with story lines. But, you know, for in general, I really, I had a lot of fun. And what about when you're, if you're. You have a friend who's, like, coming to Wilmington, tell us what your number one must do.

I mean, especially being a North Carolina boy. Like, what do you tell your friend, hey, here's what you got to hit when you're in Lomit. It's all about food. And so don't share your plate, but you have to go to, you have to go to Brasserie and you have to get their mac and cheese, which I just did two weeks ago. Brasserie de Soleil. Yes. I love that we all still go there.

That's where I had dinner when I was in town last, too. The tar tar. Yeah, it's so good Go there and get the mac and cheese Go to Tower 7 and just Everything there Margaritas What I would give for a Tower 7 moment

Right now I know And then sadly Deluxe is no longer deluxe But this face is still there It's something it's called something else But is it a similar vibe from Deluxe? Yeah, it is It's still got like that nice exposed brick bar

I mean if anybody really is a fan of the show and wants to see where we, like, lived our lives and aired out some talks. Like, the bar at Penn, I think it's called Pinpoint now. Like, just sit there and, like, our ghosts. It's got our secrets. Yeah. Well, do you know when we shot the pilot,

the Dawson's Creek kids were still rapping their last season? And, like, we would just watch them in the window of Deluxe. Like, okay, okay. And the second they vacated the premises, that's when we, like, infiltrated and we're like, well, I guess it's ours. It's ours. It's true.

I think about that bar And I think about that amazing line We all loved from the first episode When Karen says that place knows too much And I'm like, ooh, deluxe knows too much Deluxe and Firebelly Amazing All I'm saying is

Didn't they have like super cheap tacos at Firebelly? You get a taco for like 50 cents Yeah Hillary I think you and I used to go Like we would meet each other on like 30 Oh yeah I lived above it Good dollar tacos yeah They would order that beer hoe garden for me

because that's the beer that I liked. And when I moved, they gave me all the cases that they had in the basement because they were like, no one else drinks this shit, Hillary. Like, you're the only one. So if you're moving, take it.

Take it with you. That's Wilmington. That sounds like Wilmington. Good neighbors. I'm curious from your perspective as, I mean, you were there with us. And so we have all these onset memories. And we were saying it was hard to separate

what the audience was seeing and why the show kind of took on this pop culture zeitgeist like phenomenal, like just went off and blew up. God, I can't talk. But you know what I'm saying. So like, you know, for all of us, it was hard to really see why and how that happened and what that was like for the audience because they were all wrapped up with the behind the scene stuff that we were experiencing but because you were in and out a little bit more yeah can you explain a little bit about why like why do you think the show just took off the way that it did and stuck yeah that's a great question i think i think particularly being at wake forest as a senior in college while we while the first season started airing like when the pilot aired i was at wake and my friends like

through a premiere party and the like in the auditorium and the like communications auditorium And, like, my friend made cookies. And, you know, we were in the seats, like, watching it. And I was, like, telling them all, I was, like, because the OC had just come out. And we were, like, it was all this fanfare. And I was like, well, it's kind of like the OC, but better, hopefully. And, like, it's a little more, like, North Carolina. And, you know, I was just trying to explain it.

Less sexy. And, yeah, I think it was an interesting perspective to be able to see, like, real kids, like, watching it and reacting to it. And yeah, I think it's a lot of what you guys have touched on, I think. I think, just to be perfectly honest, I think you three are a huge reason of why the vulnerability and the things that you guys tapped into as actresses, it just felt a little more real and grounded, I think, than some of the other stuff that was out there. And I love that we started with that small town feel and that it wasn't all like, you know, kids, just rich kids, like that there was that sort of soul to it.

That's what drew, you know, all of us who had as actors, even. So, yeah, and just watching that play out at school and seeing kids' reactions, that's a lot of what I saw. But, you know, it's cool to go back now and watch it as an adult and see it clicking in different ways and as a dad and kind of just, you know, it's totally different. Yeah, now that you're a dad, like, Lee, you've done a little bit of everything. You've done a ton of TV. You've done a ton of movies. He's like, in this chapter, what would you want to do next? Me?

I want like a cushy Disney Channel job where I just play a mom that comes in and wags my finger and then I go home, you know? Yeah, yeah. What's your dream gig at this point in your career? I don't know. I mean, I honestly, I feel so lucky. Like, I feel really fulfilled in a lot of ways. I mean, for me, any character that is, like,

even going off and doing the little role in Zodiac was so fun for me because it wasn't the nice kid. It was this creepy kid who's like out with this married woman and like he's wearing three layers of clothes and like something's up with this kid. Like, you know, just playing sort of off characters is kind of fun for me because it's just so different

than the quintessential nice guy or nerdy character. So anything that offers depth like that is fun. But, you know, I'll still do the nice guy stuff to you. And what's Greyhound about? Tell us about Grayhound. That's your next project. So Greyhound was this amazing movie that was supposed to have a great, you know, big release in theaters pre-COVID, obviously.

And so when COVID came along and ended up, Apple TV snapped it up and made it available. But, yeah, it's Tom Hanks. It's just Tom Hanks, guys. Sorry. Lee's off working with Tom Hanks in the world. He wrote the script based on a book. And, you know, they asked if I wanted to audition for it. It was like Messenger number two.

when I was like, I don't care if it's Messenger 47. If I get to hang out with Tom Hanks for two months, I will obviously whatever, you know. So I did, and I was so lucky to get to do it, and I spent two months in Louisiana shooting with him and other guys, and we were on this, you know, they made the

fake bow of the ship, and we were on a gimbal that was controlled electronically, so they were like shifting us around and throwing water on us and wind. It was like a master class to just stand five feet from Tom Hanks and watch him day in and day out and then, you know, go up and have my interactions with them. And it was just, it was, that's one of those jobs where it's like, I don't care of this

movie ever does anything I can't care of to make from it, like just to have that experience. Like, you know, I just feel lucky that I got to watch it and see it. But anyway, it's on Apple TV Plus now. You can stream it. If you're into World War II movies, it's really amazing to see the Navy aspects of all of it. We got to talk to some actual World War II survival. that were still alive when we were shooting and that was like for me as I was an English major in a history buff and to get to talk to those guys who were

on these ships and hear about their experiences was like I mean just the best thing ever so you have to direct now you have to direct you have been doing this for so long and you have such good instincts like

you just direct us yeah let's just do you know let's do another Christmas movie or a reunion or something and I'll I just want to hang out with you guys Christmas and Firebelly It'll be tacos Christmas and Tower 7 Lee you're in charge

Yep and there'll be an impromptu dance off Oh mom I can't wait I actually wonder Because we had so many great artists on the show So you know You're married so we can't get someone to come play your wedding But if you were going to pick any of the artists

Who came and played at Trek to do your next birthday party? Is there someone at the top of your list? Or is it just the Yin Yang Twins forever? You know, I think, God, we were so spoiled. I mean, like, Cheryl Crow was on the show. And I always loved the Jimmy World guys. I thought those guys were so nice.

And, you know, we went down and, like, saw them in Myrtle Beach, and they nicely invited us backstage. And I just love those guys. and I love their music. Like, God, the music was so good. I'm, like, as I'm going back, I'm watching it now, I'm, like, writing down songs. I'm, like, I haven't downloaded this

because I'm not cool enough anymore to know, like, what the good music is, so. We need iPods. We're selling cheetah bras. We're selling joy crystal bracelets and iPod shuffles. Preloaded with all the ones. Do you remember when they gave us

those little flip cans that were, like, the little videos? Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Yeah, what were those things called? They were called flip cabs. They were called flips. Yeah.

I'm still around, guys. I probably need to grow in one. All right, we're going to do an attic scavenger, hon. Oh, man. I know Paul still has his somewhere. I'm almost positive. He does. Well, we know Antoine has his too.

So apparently, has Antoine told all of you guys this? He has tons of footage of us. Oh, my God. Tons and tons and tons. And I'm like, are you going to turn it into a documentary? and he's like, I don't know, sis, maybe. And I'm just like, oh, God, oh, God. Maybe we should take it and look at it.

We'll have a screening night. I can't even imagine when he has. It's exciting. Lee, will you come back? Will you come back and just, like, visit us all the time? I'll come back anytime. You don't even have to record it. I just want to hang out with you guys.

I miss you. I'm so glad you're doing this. And, yeah, Andrea and I are going to be listening and watching along. So yes, I would love to come back. Kiss Andrea, kiss the baby. I love you guys. Yes, please. I will.

I will. I love you guys. Hug them for us. Bye, Lee, thank. Bye. Love you, bud. I just love him so much. Honestly, like, Lee is who you call when you need to bury your body.

He is true blue. So good. Yeah. And so talented. Honestly, I'm not even joking when I, like, you know, kid that he creates iconic characters. He does. He really understands all the layers. I mean, he built in a lot of layers into mouth.

That easily could have just been like a one-note thing, and he built a lot of layers in. And when you watch the way he works, you know, he gave the same kind of dedication of character and empathy and intellect on our funny little C.W. show as he does working with David Fincher, working with Tom Hanks. I mean, he shows up and is so just good and creative. I, it's funny, you know, when he talks about standing with Tom Hanks and it feeling like a masterclass, I remember I have like flashes of days on set where we'd be doing something. And I, every once in a while, I'd have a thought of like, you got, get back in the scene because I'd be watching Lee work. and then I'd be like, yep, I got to be

Brooke Davis now. Yep. Okay, let me say my line. Like, he would distract me with the ingenuity of the choices he would make. So cool. He never leaned into the Steve Urkel of it all. Do you know what I mean? Like, he could have easily made Mouth a joke and instead

he made him this really like empathetic, every man that like everyone could connect to. Everybody wanted Mouth to win. Yeah. They wanted Mouth to get the girl. Which girl on our show did you like him with best? Kelsey. Kelsey was, how old was Kelsey? What was your character's name? Gigi. Gigi. Yeah. I think she was 19. Or maybe younger. Oh, no, wait, younger. 16. She was

I think she lied and said she was 16. Baby, I think she was like 13, 14. I think she was incredibly young. Maybe 15. I don't know, 13, 14. Baby. Because there was also, Erica. Right? Erica Marsh. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. Bailas. Bailis. Yeah. Talk about a dancer. Catherine Bailis. Mow. Mow. The sweetest. Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. And then Liz Arnoe. Shelley, the clean team. Oh, yeah. They had their entanglement. I thought him and Gigi were so cute together. It was cute. But I loved, I loved later when he wound up with Lisa. Yes, that was a winning pair.

Oh, yeah. Their sweet relationship. Yeah. Frankly, I'm mad. I never kissed him. I know. Me too. Come on.

Damn. Hello. Never got a shot. Girls, is it time for most likely to? I mean, let's hit it. Let's spin the wheel. Can we get a drum roll? Spin the wheel.

Spin the wheel. Spin the wheel. Join the CIA. Join the CIA. Who is Most likely to join the CIA. And this is characters or actors or both. Oh, annual buddy.

Throughout the entire run of the show. Most likely to join the CIA. Ooh, the CIA. Barry. Mysterious. Barry. You know what, Joy? You're right.

You're right. Because Barry Corbyn, I want to say, is like from New Jersey. He was like a Shakespearean actor. What? Barry with his southern accent and his... And he decided to become a cowboy as an adult. Hold on a second. Look, Google Barry Corbyn.

And he created this whole other persona. And it worked. And it tricked everybody. And it's just who he is now. No, it says here he was born in Texas, but he told me he lived in New Jersey for a long time. Hold on. Maybe he was in a CIA when he was in Jersey. I'm saying.

He's telling stories. I will say, though, after our analysis of Lee Norris' incredible acting skills, I feel like he'd be great in the CIA. Oh, yeah, he could pull it off for sure. As, like, one of those actors, like, you know, they've been doing it since the 40s. I guess they would have actors. Betty Grable was working for, you know, so they fly over and you just go to a restaurant for dinner, but you're actually like passing off a package to somebody in the kitchen.

I think Lee could pull that off. Yeah, yeah, because he can be the life of the party and he can completely, you know, put his three layers on and disappear in the corner and it, oof, I wish he was still here. We should do this with our guests next time. I keep forgetting. All right, so which character would join the CIA? We have a couple, like, teammates, but who is elusive? I mean, Karen disappeared for a very long time and, like, came back with a man that none of us

knew. Yeah, Andy? Cute Andy. She had a whole other life that we never got to see. She was definitely in the season. Yeah, yeah. Michael Truco's character who suddenly appeared out of, like nobody knew he existed. Yeah.

I'm not complaining about that. Uncle Cooper. Truco was such a babe. Is such a babe. Oh, else. Yeah. Those feel like real good choices to me. Yeah.

Okay. We're good at this game. All right. We'll play it again next week. Thank you guys for joining us. Episode 3, One Tree Hill. We're so excited to watch it. Come back next week and watch.

watch another watch another and talk with us about it well listen to us talk but you know we want to hear your thoughts too so send us your questions and reach out to us yeah and guys we are loving your feedback on socials hearing about your realizations and the scenes you had forgotten about and your artwork and even you all talking to us about some of the things we've said I mean we're just buds talking to each other we forget and then you'll quote us on Twitter and I'm like oh my we did say that this week didn't. Do you know, so real quick, we're going to end with this. My son, finally, after all these years, thinks I'm cool, because do you know who follows Drama Queens on Twitter? Who? John Sina. No. Step it right now. No, he does not. So John Sina, if you're

listening, come. Hey girl, you can hang with us, girl. Yes. John Sina, come hang on our show and tell us all about why you love it. We're all about that high school drama girl. drama girl all about them high school queens we'll take you for a ride and our comic girl cheering for the right team drama queens drama queens smart girl rough girl fashion but you're tough girl you could sit with us girl drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens it may look different but native culture is alive my name is nicole garcia and on burn sage burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop.

That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.