Drama Queens - Behind the Screams • EP 806

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Directed by our very own Sophia Bush, she shares behind-the-scenes details of what went into the the iconic Halloween zombie sequence — from costumes to the logistics of filming while directing — with Rob recalling the challenge of speaking through extensive prosthetics. The special effected essentially left him without a mouth, and took hours to apply, so it was quite the challenge! Plus, Sharon Lawrence makes her debut as Julian’s mother, and the cast reflects on their most emotionally challenging scenes to film.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl, you could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Okay, fam, it's Season 8, Episode 6, Not Afraid. It originally aired October 19th, 2010. As Halloween approaches in Tree Hill, Book and Julian get an unexpected visitor,

and Nathan begins a new career. Meanwhile, Clay and Quinn struggle with life back at the beach house, and Haley and Mia host an open mic night at Trick. It was so much fun to direct this episode, and it was written by Johnny Norris. Aw. And look, I went to storage yesterday in anticipation of today. No. I still.

I have the hat. And I brought it home. Fascinator. What's it called? The tool? I think that's what it is, right? Yeah. It's a fascinator.

Yes. Oh, God, I just, a rhinestone just fell off of it. It's not in great shape, but it really does give me a giggle. I did not. save the paper mache orange but i'll never forget it i did also pull out my directing binder that i mean still has everything like shotlets copious notes my insane oh that makes me misdirect oh i'm just looking at that notebook makes me so nostalgic i know all of like are my little blocking notes on our little set photos it was so fun to go through this so fun you really do keep it all

Speaking of your costume, because there's nothing I love more than when a girl bucks the tradition of like, it's Halloween, so I'm going to be sexy. I love the fact that Brooke was just a giant orange. Yeah. Did you have any input in that, or was that just as scripted? Well, Carol and I had so much fun. And obviously the ideas go as a clockwork orange. And I sort of love that Brooke decides to do this very avant-garde high-fashioned. version of like a Kubrick costume.

Yeah, of course. It's the only way Brooke would have actually gone. Yeah. It couldn't have possibly been. This is fab. No. And so I remember going into wardrobe to sit with Carol and talk about all of this. And she was like, I think let's just put you in the orange.

And we got a variety of exercise balls. Yeah, I was going to say, that's what it was, right? They paper-mashied an exercise ball. Yeah, so we paper-mished them because it had. to be big enough that when we cut the head hole and then the hole for my legs, it had to cover, you know, my whole body. I couldn't have like half my ass hanging out. It would have been uncomfortable and also inappropriate. So we ended up, I think we made one and realized it only covered like two thirds of my torso. And then we had to get a bigger exercise ball. And we just sort of had

to wing it and, you know, wait for the paper machet to dry. And then they'd start cutting the holes and then they'd have to pop the exercise ball or deflate it to get it out. And I realize, I remember this with you, Joy, because we were figuring out you and Kate, you know, coming into trick. And I was in costume directing. So I was in the ball. And I tried to tell camera, like, okay, I want to bring them in, you know, like this. And like every director does, you're doing the thing with your hands. And I couldn't get my hands up because I had like T-Rex arms

stuck in the little ball. So I wound up having to like, you know, take a pen and point. It was so ridiculous and just so much fun. I would have, I would just love to see footage from like from a distance so you can't hear what you're saying, but you can tell that like you're going up to an actor

and giving very serious notes while wearing this giant orange costume. And everyone's taking it very, very serious. Seriously. No, I remember you had such a good sense of humor about it. I remember you coming up and giving direction and it was just like, I know. Okay, just bear with me. Ignore my tiny little veil and this.

Yeah. And let's make a TV show. I mean, we were all dressed ridiculously. So that, but that paper mache orange reminded me so much of, was yours dry completely by the time you put it on or were they scrambling? Yeah. Because I, when I was. in, I don't know, I must have been like 11. I was in a play.

I did To Kill a Mockingbird. And at one point, Scout has a, I don't know if it's a town festival. It's a school play or something. And I had to wear a giant ham. And they made this huge ham costume very much like your orange out of paper, Meshay and chicken wire. But they made it too late. And so the opening night I had to put it on, it was still.

like sticky and wet inside. I just remember going on stage in this sticky ham paper mache costume. It was pretty funny and gross. But I'm glad yours was dry. I think that would have really been like a hat on a hat of just, wow, I'm uncomfortable and trying not to feel absolutely ridiculous being theoretically in charge whilst looking like the court jester. That would have been tough.

Yeah. Well, you had another great costume in this too, this zombie. the zombie opening with the Laura Croft. Yeah. I died. That was so much fun. And my whole goal with it, particularly because I loved that they wanted to do this big sort of, you know, hyper-realized nightmare. But I was so glad getting the script that Johnny wrote the jokes in.

Like Haley and Quinn arguing if they were vampires or zombies, really for me as a director set the tone of the whole thing. it gave me permission to lean into the absolute camp of it. And our whole goal, and it was so much fun to do with Peter Kowalski, was to make it as stylized and silly. We were watching clips of, oh, come on, what's the movie that, the spoof movies that Chris Evans and Ana Farras did? Scary movie. Scary movie.

We were watching clips of how absolutely ridiculous those movies were, you know, in these comedic horror. omages and we were like that's what we want and it was nice to see it again because as always happens on a one-hour show particularly with a cast as large as ours you lose a lot and there was so much that we shot for that opener that had to be cut for time these crazy transitions and these things and some of them made it but in my mind I hated that opening because I hated that opening because because we were missing so much. And watching it last night,

I was like, wait, this is still so funny. Like, we crushed it. And the little transitions that, you know, I was attached to at the time totally didn't matter. And I was cackling. And some of my friends were over for dinner last night and they watched the episode with me. And they were in like peals of laughter watching all of you guys.

And I was like, oh, this makes me feel really nice. I love it. Well, I thought it was incredible. And then I found myself after it was overgoing. I feel like during season seven, we were doing an episode and we were talking about directing and you brought up this scene and you were talking about how it was difficult for you to watch because you loved what you shot and then it got chopped up and it wasn't nearly what you thought it was. And I just found myself going, that's wild because I thought it was incredible.

I loved it. It was funny. It was the right blend of action and comedy. So, I mean, I didn't notice anything. Well, I really appreciate that. And what I think is. it is as a great lesson is, you know, we can get attached to things as actors, as artists. And of course we do. You know, that's our job is to be obsessed with how to tell a story, how to communicate something, whatever. But it's also really nice, I think, to learn to take a step back.

And much like writing, you have to cut things down. You have to edit, you know, an op-ed or a book. You have to cut scenes to make a full story flow in the best way possible. And sometimes it's really nice to go back and look at something and be like, oh, I actually didn't, I didn't need that. I don't miss it. I just missed it at the time because Rob did something I loved or, you know, Joy did something really funny and I only got to keep two of the three beats I liked.

But for the story, it works. And it's kind of a nice lesson. Always hard to kill your darlings, but often necessary. I remember doing the prosthetic for my face, and, I mean, it was a whole to do. And then I remember on the day, it was so hard for me to talk in. Well, because it was your mouth. Yes, which it plays because I'm missing half a mouth, basically. But I remember actually telling you, I think you remember you being like, if you could just like enunciate a little more so we can understand it.

You're saying, I'm like, I'm trying my best here. I got half a man. I can't do it. It's like you have the giant thing in at the dentist, and you're like, I actually can't enunciate because my lips can't touch. Yeah, yeah. That's so funny. I just loved it.

And it was really interesting, too, to be able to, you know, do the whole journey with Quinn because every place she goes, something else ridiculous is happening. And I remember, you know, working with Chantelle on some of those things and being so excited about like, we're going to do this fast, zoom into your face. And I want full, like, iconic horror movie scream. And she was such a good sport about just really leaning into it. And being able to get some of that sort of classic old Hollywood stuff in this and then also lean into the comedy, even when we're at closeover bros and you see. Brooke and Julian in their teenage mutant ninja turtles

Laura Croft kind of beat like when Austin turns and looks at me in shock because of what she's saying I thought he was Buffy the Vampire Slayer I thought that was your guys' motif I guess a little bit of all of it he was giving me Casey Jones energy but yeah I just

everyone was so game to be ridiculous and I loved watching it Including the hair and makeup department, the special effects particularly, Rocky did such a great job. Rocky Faulkner was our resident special effects guy who he did great beauty makeup, but he really loved special effects and he went on to work on True Blood and he's probably, I think did he do interview with the vampire with our other, with our costume designer Carol Cuttschall. I know he's doing the Michelle Yo show right now. Oh, wow. I mean, he's just doing great things. He's so talented.

so creative, so talented, always had great ideas, grew up watching all of those like Japanese slasher flicks like Tarantino always did. So he had a real breadth of knowledge of like the difference between realistic and silly and when it was time to go overboard. With the thing with my makeup with the bubbling forehead, I think we had to like put a tube through my hair, right? Am I remembering this right? And they, So I had a fake forehead and then they had a tube running through my hair and then like a little squeezy thing at the back and I don't know if I squeezed it or if there was somebody under the bed that was squeezing it for my shot. I don't know. Somebody did it for you because we did it as a special. It was a close up. And essentially it was like a, yeah, the tube came through and then the prosthetic was sealed on the edges. So it just blew air. And they could, yeah, they could inflate it with a little, what is it?

Is that like a little rubber? That's what it's called, thank you. Yeah. And it was, yeah, I mean, just the things Rocky came up with were so impressive. You know, even the contact lenses, all of it. I remember, you know, having to look at the VFX shot because we shot you no contacts and then contacts. And we had to then do special effects to make them transition in that close up of you.

And it was just such a fun thing to see a whole other element of. movie making so difficult to schedule when you've got all of us and then there's prosthetics like that like Rob how long did yours and Kate that's not Katie sorry Amanda's take do you remember I don't remember I think mine was the most involved though Amanda's was a bit more like it was a couple small pieces and maybe contacts whereas mine was it was an entire like head piece face piece your whole jaw was missing so yeah yeah hours yeah and and because you especially were such a great reveal, you know, she needed to look almost normal, and when you turn, the face is so shocking. But I remember even little things, you know, the reveal with Nathan

was that he looked normal, and then, you know, he pulls out his own kidney and you realize he's not. Yeah. So we had to start shooting with James in regular hair and makeup, and then he had to go back to the trailer and get fully zomified. Yeah, you moved on to. to something else and then came back, right? Uh-huh. And so it was a really complex thing for our, you know, AD department to schedule. But again, just so cool because by the time you're eight years into a show, you're such a well-oiled machine and everybody knows what they're doing and you know what the company moves look like and how it is to go from location to location. And suddenly, everybody had to do something different. And people were really excited about it.

And it was fun to see. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I wish I could have been a part of the camp, the humor action part because it was... Mine was great, but it was so fun watching it that I felt myself. I had a little foam-of just going like, oh, like, I want to be doing like outrageous, you know, fighting stuff and then throwing in humor. Like if we had all been in closeover, bros. Yeah.

I wish we had all been there. And especially just being, I was giggling, even little things, you know, our sound mixer. It's this big action sequence. And we're fighting these people in the store. And Quinn's like, they're zombies. And then all the sound drops out and you just are on the close-off of the extras. And then we're back in it. It's like, everybody was so game to have a good time with this.

Yeah. It was funny too because it was at a time when the vampires were super, super popular. That was the vampire diaries had come out. And Twilight was really at its height of popularity. And there was a whole debate about what was next, like what the monster, the next monster popular thing was going to be. And I guess zombies, I guess zombies took the cake. They sure did. Walking Dead was like, hold my brain. How long have you been waiting to drop that joke on us? I wrote it down last night in the middle of the night and then I couldn't go back to sleep because I was so excited about it. I love it. Oh, so many good things in this episode to get into. Can we just start with when we get back to real life and we're at the Halloween party? My first notes are, oh my God, Lee looks so good.

Like this slicked hair and he's in the... tank top he's giving like grease lightning and it's a vibe so fun yes and in 805 he's giving serious wall street vibes because he's got his hair slicked back and he's wearing a suit and yeah kind of made me realize there was there was there was a lot more that we could we could be doing with lee oh yes then we were but it was fun to see him yeah the slicked back hair and the earrings and the tank top yeah fake abs the tan fun reveal the tank yeah Lisa and the Lady Gaga costume

I died there's just so many I forgot that I was a pregnant cheerleader hilarious I totally forgot that that's what I showed up as yeah James as or Nathan as Don Draper his dream role anyway

yeah he was obsessed with madmen at the time I love that Quinn missed the mark it was just super Quinn that was great I think she when she says it and Clay has a line and he's like I don't think that reads.

Yeah. And then, of course, Clay as Edward Cullen. That's why I said. What did read is Clay as Robert Pattinson. I mean, that was so perfect. It really could not have been a better pick. So here's a question I had. Peek behind the curtain.

When I lived in Wilmington, definitely season seven and maybe season eight, at my apartment, I had a giant candy bowl that I stocked. I don't know if you guys remember this. I stopped with like every kind of candy I could find at stores. And then when anyone came over, I was like, help yourself to candy. And if I didn't have what they liked, like I'd go out and find it. That was sort of like my thing I was very proud of. So when I saw, or I just thought was fun, I should say.

So when I saw that clay had a giant bowl of candy and then was going on about the benefits and the efficiency of a giant bowl of candy, I found myself going, is this one of those moments where they're poaching from real life? It felt like it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess so.

Yeah. I felt a few of those things. I mean, your candy bowl. Also, they had you take that dig at Halloween and call it like a creepy witch, something or other. Yeah, what was that? Well, it's like so clearly a snarky little dig at Hillary because by now she's left. And she was our queen of Halloween. And so if you guys caught it

And I cherish that Chantelle Was so game to do this with me When Quinn runs in Pre everyone being in their actual costumes And she's just in like the jeans and t-shirt and baseball cap We put her in a red bedroom records hat I remember that Carol and I were like

We have a way to respond to that joke That we're not allowed to cut And also Rob you delivered the joke so well Because you're such a good comedic actor And it was really fun because we were like, oh, yeah, we'll do the things on the page. But the girlies are going to like send little love notes to the girlies too. And we all kind of were like, ha. Well, see in that hat.

That was so cute. All the little callbacks. As many things as we can do to do those callbacks to the show that, you know, people fell in love with originally. The narration at the beginning that the fact that they're still bringing like Lucas's name in. Yeah. It just, it feels so good to, to. to know that there's an intentionality on all sides of the camera in front and behind to really keep that nostalgia running.

I love it. I thought this week's theme song was great. Yeah, Laura Isabor, who plays Aaron, who is the piano player at the end at Trick and singer, fabulous singer. Yeah, I liked that vibe. This was the first theme song that I really, that was not Gavin's that I think I actually really liked. Also, Joy, every single time it's a woman singing the theme song.

I spend the first two seconds going, is this joy? I'm just waiting for the week where you're doing it. So every week, that's how it starts for me. Stop waiting. For a small town, Tree Hill has a lot of talented musicians. Because not only is Laura is Aaron, Laura Isabor, obviously incredible. The guy before her on a guitar, I don't know if you clocked it, was really good. Yeah. I wonder who that was. Was it maybe a local guy?

I don't remember. I don't know. You know what it is. It's since Tree Hill only has one, now two bartenders. What they lack in bartenders they make up for in musicians. Yeah. Well, they've got a, they've got our local record label. I mean, they are cranking them out. And Amy Tipton as the pageant queen was chef's kiss. I was obsessed with that. okay so that she looked so familiar to me can you yeah amy worked in our crew and she she bounced around a few different departments i can't remember where she landed but she was a staple like just one of those friendly faces you would see every single day when you came to work and i loved seeing her all that i mean that was her as a pageant queen singing whatever dolly or uh martina McBride song she was launching into was pretty epic of the two surprise cameos we had this episode she was my favorite yeah yeah mine too speaking of not necessarily a cameo but a new introduction

we finally have Sharon Lawrence oh I love me some Sharon Lawrence she is so amazing the look on your face when she says is my son here and you go oh god please no i loved it oh my gosh did you all choose that hairstyle for her no no i think that was just popular it was like a shag cut was very popular at the time she showed up with this fabulous cut and i think we all were just so enamored and sort of taken aback like she really took everyone's breath away. She's so elegant. She's so fabulous. She's so funny.

I didn't know how they were going to find essentially another Daphne. And they did. They're so different, but they're matched in every way. And to have them be the two mother-in-laws, essentially, I just, it's like some of the best casting our show ever did. Sharon Lawrence is for those of you aren't super familiar with her work I mean she's she's been she did a lot of Broadway in theaters musical theater actress NYPD Blue was really the thing I think that put her on the map as Sipowitz's wife and Tad's big storylines there was her her gorgeous rear end that was on television nude for the first time on broadcast TV not cable and it went wildfire around the world in the news in 99, 97, maybe. I can't remember where the year was.

But she walked out of the shower, totally nude. It was a 10 o'clock at night show. And the... Standards and practices. Thank you. Standard and practices. S&P. They went bananas.

It was the whole thing. The network got fined. The show got fined. It was a big deal. But anyway, it was Sharon's fabulous ass. And she, and I tell you, she is such a, I mean, that's just one small piece about, that's funny about her, how, her fame and her notoriety. But her talent is so broad. And I've never seen that woman walk. She floats through every room that she's in. And she's so elegant, so gracious, knows how to communicate her own boundaries and, ideas in ways that always makes you feel good. She's just somebody that every time I'm around,

I want to be quiet and listen and watch because I learned so much from her. We're so lucky that we got her. We are so lucky. And it was really interesting. I remember, you know, as a director, you're really watching all of your fellow actors in ways that you don't, when you're simply acting with people because the whole point when when action is called is to just be in the scene, you're in the moment. And as a director, you really have to observe exactly what everyone's doing to make sure things are being communicated, et cetera. And it's very cool to me to go back and watch, you know, our show in general. Obviously, it's why we do a podcast because we're all like, wait, this is fun. But to go back and watch it and also kind of remember.

what it was like to direct, I remember watching Austin and Sharon work together and thinking, God, they're such good sparring partners. You know, they both, they're both just so good. And as we've been observing this sort of, let's call it interesting direction that the writers want to take Julian's character, we'll get there. We'll get there. He is so, he has no ego about being so self-deprecating and and there's something about the choices these two are making together that elevates all of this material and I I loved watching them the humor that they found the choices that they made like I bought it mother and son immediately right immediately yeah what was it like directing this legend I mean so that's was that intimidating no because Sharon is so wonderful

You know, she is not a person who flexes her might. She just shows up to elevate everyone around her. And so I think I was just so enamored with her. And, you know, I'd walk over and have a thought, and she'd kind of lean in and in her very musical way. Like you said, she quotes. And you were like, wait, can I just smell you for a second? Why do you smell so good?

Okay, sorry, I have to direct you. Exactly. She sort of leans in and is like, ooh, I like that. and you're like, you do? You like me? What did you, what did you say? You know, it was just so much fun for me. And I, I really cherish, I mean, I cherish her in general, but especially the way she showed up, you know, for a young kid directing her, it was really generous. Yeah. She, I've had the good fortune of, um, playing her son on a couple of movies and she, she, I guess her daughter once too. No, what? Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's so funny, bro. But you're exactly right. Like, she,

She was always game to try things and always had fun ideas. She just was always, always up for anything. And great sense of, yeah, just like all the things. You know, if someone starts singing, she can break out in a beautiful song. She can dance. Yes. She can do it all. We love you, Sharon Lawrence.

We yet to find a flaw, Sharon. It's getting annoying. When she offers, though, to pay for the wedding. I mean, did you both have the same reaction? I did where you're just like, you know, this is going to come with strings. No, don't believe it. And it did. It came with some serious strings.

I thought it was so sweet of Brooke, though, that she brought the binder and wanted to invite her new mother-in-law in and say, like, hey, here's what I was thinking. Would you like to be a part of this with me? I thought, classy move. But I did like seeing Brooke and Julian working together again. Like, it's just, I'm happy to see some happiness in her life. the way that he shows up for her and Julian exploring this part of his creativity and figuring out what he's going to do. I mean, the attempted, let's get into it, the attempted emasculation

of Austin Nichols continues and continues to backfire. Yes, the failed attempt to amasculate. The dog costume, the high five, the man purse. It only makes him more three-dimensional, more quirky, more interesting, and interesting equals attractive. Like, it's, you know, It's such easy math to me. It's hilarious to watch this attempt just continue to fall on its face. It's like the little kid thing of like, I'm rubber, your glue, whatever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you. It never makes him look bad. If anything, it kind of weakens the character opposite him.

Like when Nathan's going like, nice purse. If anything, it makes Nathan just seem kind of juvenile. Yep. And him just being really comfortable and settled in himself. Yeah. Like, what are you an idiot? I've got a bag. What are you talking about?

When Julian and his mom have the matching costumes, did either of you have the arrested development moment of remembering when Buster and Lucille dress up and matching costumes for mother boy? No, I'm fucking mother boy. Oh my God. I haven't watched a show in so long. That's genius. Yes.

For the small portion of our audience who actually has watched the rest of development, That's a terrific callback. You should check it out because it is strong mother boy vibes with Julian and his mom. I remember knowing how well that scene was working, the way that we sort of designed to the shots, coming around the staircase,

seeing him come out of the bathroom, going up the stairs to Sharon, who's floating down the stairs and using the coat, you know, like so musically, the shock on everyone's faces. And immediately, you understand it. dynamic. And you go, oh, I know what I'm in for. And it still pleases me. It also really works for Julian's character because we know he's got this sort of hero complex or he's working through it

where he needs to show up and be the guy that like makes accommodations for everyone else, makes things easy, can sort of save the day. Mom comes into town. I don't want her to feel, she wants to be included in Halloween. I don't want her to just have a costume by herself that's going to be so lonely. Yeah, I'll play along. Like, okay, it's annoying. But also the confidence in who he is to just be able to show up and be like, okay, this is what's going to be helpful for my mom.

It's annoying. But whatever, who cares? It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. And on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that. culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor

Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. my memory was it it was either in season seven or season six he gives some backstory on her right didn't she struggle big time and he felt he couldn't save her is that right is that where the root of his but i feel like the i feel like the woman he was talking about maybe didn't make it or wait a second you're no it was his mom but it was just odd because this character comes in so full of life such energy and presence that i found myself going is this the woman he was trying to save because she seems good. Yeah, wait, we're getting a note from our producer, yes, that it was about his mother.

What is that? What did he say? Like, I couldn't save her. Did he, did she, we thought she died? I thought it was depression or, like, like, that her light went out and she couldn't see it in herself or something to that effect. Oh, gosh, I wish I remembered. So, anywho, that's why I was just surprised when she came on the scene.

I thought, oh, it's interesting. And the only thing I know about her was that he, like, she was not okay and he couldn't save her. And there's no, there's no mention, like, there's no catching up storywise or exposition to explain it. But, you know, she seems like she's right now. I feel like that's one of those things that they think is so great for the story when explaining the dynamic between Julian and his dad. And then, you know, two years later they find out Sharon Lawrence is available and they're like, scrap that. She's going to be amazing. That is such soap opera action behind the scenes to do that.

Just be like, never mind. We'll just completely make it along. There was something that I thought was so sweet. I made a note of it. And I realized it's something we see a couple of episodes ago when you're still in the hospital. And there's this really lovely dynamic of Nathan just coming to sit with you all the time. Yeah. And now that you're out and he's beginning to figure out, like he referenced, what comes next?

Brooke's figuring out what comes next. You know, who am I? What is my identity without this big career that I've had? And I sort of love the call back to high school when Brooke and Nathan finally said, like, oh, we've been through a lot of the same things. I loved that. I like, though, that now in this adult moment, you're seeing these experiences, is mirrored, and they're both leaning on people. She's leaning on Julian.

He's leaning on Clay. And it sort of hit me watching the two of you and your dynamic. You and James are so good together. And I made a note that it's kind of, it feels to me like one of the first times we're really seeing two of the men on our show have this sort of love story friendship the way we get to as the girls on the show. You know, like, Brooke and Haley's dynamic or our dynamic with Peyton, like, the female friendships have been these big roots.

And I guess maybe because in the high school years, the journey for Nathan and Lucas is so hateful in the beginning, and then they wind up being these great brothers. But there's something about this, I don't know, there's something about the way the relationship has developed between you two as these adult men that's giving me. nostalgia in a really cool way and I I don't know do you remember do you remember like hitting a stride and knowing that your on-screen chemistry was so good or did it just sort of feel so natural that you didn't track it at the time well I will say as a viewer watching this right now I find myself going like oh I'm we're witnessing Nathan grow up like I'm witnessing him really

mature like as a father is where I see it the most Like the joy he's finding in just being a dad and sort of coming to terms with, you know, he's going to be a father as opposed to a basketball player and chase that dream. And so I feel him maturing a lot. And so the relationship with Clay feels seamless and effortless to me that as he is evolving, he is able to have this kind of relationship with another man where they're vulnerable and they're present, you know. Yeah. He did not have that with Dan.

That was non-modeled for him. So to be able to be in a place in his life now where his relationship with women has become really healthy. And now he's learning how to have healthy relationships with men. It's a beautiful thing. While we were doing it, I liked James immediately. He was the first one I met. And James also, you know, there are a few people that when I'm around them, it's like catnip. I just can't help.

But like it makes me exponentially more playful and silly. And I just want to kind of like make them laugh. And James is one of those people. So I just loved doing things with him. So I think there was a pretty quick ease to our dynamic. And he's just so likable, you know, that it wasn't hard to play a character who loved this guy. You know, because James is just,

he's kind of so easy to love. So it felt easy at the time. You know, I'm glad that it translated. It is interesting. Even just the small act of going around asking, you know, he gets this note from his son that you have, avoid things and taking the initiative to reach out to a few friends, you know, in moments, be like, hey, is this true about me? Am I, you know, man, it's something we could all take a

lesson from. Like, I need to do that more. And I loved just seeing that modeled. It's so great. And I think probably a lot of men don't do that. I'm not a man. I don't know. Do you feel like that's something, maybe at our age now, but what are we supposed to be? 28th on the show at this point. I think, listen, it's definitely something that a lot of men do, but I feel like it's just something that a lot of people do. I think a lot of people aren't terribly self-aware, and I think a lot of people don't care to be terribly self-aware. I think therapy and looking at yourself can be uncomfortable and just, it's labor intensive sometimes. And I think there's a lot of people who just go, I'm good. I'm good. I'm not open to feedback. I'm not looking to work on that,

You know, and which is fine. That's a choice. But it is cool to see Nathan going, oh, is that right? Okay. Maybe this is a blind spot. Let me ask around. Yeah, it's really, it was really neat. I love that Jamie's such the wise owl.

You know, I love that he says that and that became a through line. Another through line, which was so weird and funny for me, was the whole bit with Chuck's dad in the mask. Yeah, what? It's this weird throwaway line. that won't go away and I just. Haley's fear of clowns. This was really well written though because we have a, we have, I don't want to say a lot, but there have been episodes that we've watched where everything feels very explained,

very cut and dry. This is what the scene is and it's the only thing that's happening in the scene. When you know that's not real life, in real life there are all sorts of things going on at the same time. And I love that we're taking just some random little thing that Haley's afraid of clowns. And we've worked it in. And it's insignificant. It's not something that's like a meaningful storyline.

But it just gives you this flavor of life going on around you. It keeps things alive and not feeling scripted. And the perfect character to have be the vessel for that bit. Chuck is a nightmare. So you can only imagine what his home life. Sorry, I know that's harsh to judge a kid. But truthfully, that kid's a mess, right? And so it's perfect that you're going to make one of his role models have this really weird thing we don't explain.

Strange relationship to this scary clown mask. Yeah. So good. The Harry Potter of it all was so good. I mean, I totally forgot that Jamie dressed up as Harry Potter and that all of his friends did. That was just so, so cute. Perfect trio. Oh, it was so sweet.

How much fun did you have out there with them? Oh, my God. It was the best. getting to direct all those kids was just so much fun because they were so excited about it. And, you know, we were in that amazing kind of beautiful historic neighborhood, you know, just two blocks off Market Street and being able to dress a neighborhood as well. You know, Halloween is such a fun thing to shoot because everything has a costume. you know the houses like getting getting the fog machines out and finding the creepy place and all of it it's like it's just so enjoyable and being able to not only do that um you know design that world

to then get to drop three adorable kids in it who were so amped you know to be out there in costume to be housing candy all of it was just it was so much fun and by now obviously you know James and Jackson have such a great rapport. And so it was very sweet to watch James essentially be like dad for a day with all these kids because he had to wrangle them, you know, help me keep them in line. Because, yeah, they're great little actors and they're wonderfully professional, but they're also children who are having a great time running around, slamming candy bars. And it was just like a wildly fun time.

You did. There was another small thing that was in this episode that I don't know if it was just us on the day or if it was scripted. But when we're back at the beach house and Clay's handing out candy, you know, he's obviously very proud of this big bowl of candy. And when the first kids come up, I loved the choice to have him actually explain how great the big bowl is because you see you have your choice of the candies. I'm not just giving you something. And then in a later bit, Quinn goes to hand them candy and Clay runs up and like shoes her way and goes, no, no, no, no, no, that the whole point is that they get to choose, they get to choose. And she's like, oh, okay, sorry. But it was such an organic way to show like this little quirk of Clay's. Yeah, I love that you did that. Well, and to your point, it's those things that deepen all of these characters, a Haley's Fear of Clouds, your obsession with candy. Like, it's the little details that make people feel specific. Yeah. And it makes. the show feel alive rather than everybody just sitting there being talking heads in perfect looking sets that can get old real fast yeah it's like okay another thing another day and this it just mixed it up in a way that felt really fun and it was it was exciting and engaging to me as a director and I saw how engaging it was for every single cast member It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story,

along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of the beach house, did you, say it, just say it. I just thought it was so strange that when you were talking to Quinn about, is it the beach house? Because if it's the beach house, we don't have to live at the beach house. Like, you kept saying it, but why isn't it just like, is it the house? Yeah.

Why does it, why was the line always about the beach house? Do you have some other house somewhere? Like, why is it always referred to as the beach house? I mean, I just say my house. It feels to me the same as when they go, I love you, Haley Scott. I love you, Quinn James. Yeah. Why do we need the last name?

You know what else they do always? My girl and my man. Like every couple says, is my girl hungry? I was, whatever, blah, blah, blah, my man. Have you noticed that? Every couple. No. Oh, it's so irritating.

It's clearly something that our creator thought was cute. And it's like mean girls, like you're never going to make fetch happen. This is the same. thing to me. We are never going to make this happen where every single couple has the same little nickname for each other. How's my girl today? The only thing I still bristle on to this day is if I'm doing a job and there's a line where the character repeats the person's full name. Because I got just this, we did it so much. I mean, truly, it was always, I love you, Quinn James. It was never, I love you, Quinn. At least that's how it felt to me. Yeah. Like, just,

Does Jenny ever do that? Like, I love you, Robert Buckley. No. And if she did, it'd be like, are you, is her head trauma? What happened? Why are you doing that? No. I love you, Jenny and Buckley.

She'd be like, what's your problem? Yeah. It really was such a thing on our show. I don't know why. It's such a thing we could make it a drinking game. Like, it is in every episode. And probably multiple times in every episode, I feel like. One thing that I really like, is.

was how organic Nathan joining Clay's new agency has been. None of it felt forced. It all makes complete sense. And it's so smart because like Clay says, he goes, you have, first of all I love that we got the actor who plays Troy back. He's great. I wish he had recurred. I do too. But I love that Clay says like, you, dude, you have a perspective that very, very few people do like you can offer him something that none of these agents or I can't so yes get in there and I bought it I loved it but it was great because it wasn't like this clunky thing like I guess I'll be an agent it just sort of him showing up for a friend to help out it made sense and I'm like this is perfect this is great and the little detail the thread of Jamie asking Haley I'm worried

that dad's going to be in trouble again or I don't know if he said start drinking or that it's just going to be bad because of what happened last time he quit basketball. And Haley explaining to him the difference that last time basketball left your dad, this time he's leaving basketball. But every little chance they had that Johnny, our writer, had to just tie in all the little threads, it really does make such a difference. And I love seeing Nathan embrace this new side, this new thing. It's so cool. The, I loved seeing a different, uh, color on Chase. The way he was being very cold towards Mia

was not something that we've seen him do much of at all on this show. And he was just, their whole thing was great. And arguably my favorite moment of the episode is the moment when Julian and Sylvia hit the bar at Trick. And Chase is like, how about I make you a drink? And Julian tries his best to convince his mom

that it's a bad idea. And she's like, very insistent. No, no, no, no nonsense. I'll try it. she takes one sip and she says oh god that is bad that is a bad drink that is just terrible and walks off that's so good man bad drink yeah she was so good so so elegant still and subtle and just uh not not going to engage that anymore wow and if we're going to be a trick we might as well dive into high five gate As in the saga that is the attempted yet failed emasculation of one Julian. I loved it.

I just loved it. Every time Julian is authentically him, just unashamed, awkward, himself, weird artist Julian, I love him more and more and more and find him more interesting. I want more of him on screen. I just, it's great. Be a weird high fiver. Go for it. Why not?

Yeah. Also, that was. It wasn't weird. If anything, it was enthusiastic, but I mean, dude, you're dressed up in a giant dog costume. No one's taking themselves seriously right now. And so the fact, it just made all of the dudes look really petty and immature. Yeah. Did you see the way high five?

To me, just look like a guy who was going like, hell yeah, dude. Super high up top, high five. It's so dumb. Do you remember ever having a conversation with Austin about this, either of you, where he explained, like, I know what they're trying to do. know exactly how to counteract it or that he like his intentionality around his character with all of this stuff that they were writing for him did he ever talk about it do you remember he was really unfazed yeah because he understood the the politics of it and knowing that we were leading up to brook and julian getting married and that very specifically Voldemort did not want

Julian to have any friends because he didn't want to cast a bunch of like cool filmmaker guys. He didn't want to bring, you know, any more good-looking dudes onto our set. So boring. What a boring personality. This is a fact. I know this. I was like, so weird that you feel like you're competing with any of these people when you're not. And never were, sir. I'm bored. I'm bored. It's so boring and embarrassing. It's like so embarrassing. It would be like if I was threatened by the guys on my fantasy football team.

And I felt like I was competing with them. Yeah, like you're not in the NFL, honey. It's like so bizarre to me. The level of insecurity is unbearably boring. Do you think this is crazy? I've never thought this until right now. But you notice how we were talking the other episode? Like, Lee got himself into great shape.

Lee's looking super handsome. Yeah. I know what is coming up for Lee's character. Oh, you do. Is there a world in which that is a result of maybe him having engulf, getting some positive attention? Of course. Because that storyline, let's spoil. Everyone's seen the show.

He just gains weight. And it becomes a runner that he has just gained a lot of weight. And he's wearing, like, a legitimate, like, fat suit. Wait, what? I have zero recollection of this. Oh, yeah. Remember when they put mouth in a full fat suit and facial prosthetics? No.

Oh, it's coming. The whole storyline is just that he has gained a lot of weight. But it's funny because now that I'm thinking about it together, I know I'm late to the party, but this is the best shape I've ever seen Lee in. Like, he looks awesome. Oh, yeah. Watching this episode last night, all the girls were here and Sammy goes, oh my God, Lee's jacked.

Yeah, so cute. Like, he looks amazing. And that tan and his hair. Oh, yeah, I was into it. It's also, I was going to say a thing, and then I was like, maybe that's, you know, a little too far. But let's just call it what it is. It's such a weird thing that our boss who wanted to be our friend, but was sort of old enough, almost to be our parent, didn't want competition around. So wanted to, like, emasculate all the boys at every step that he could.

And part of me is like, I remember when, you know, our wonderful writers started kind of cluing us in on all the things that were going on and what they would be told. Like, oh, well, I don't want to cast a bunch of hot guys to be Julian's friends. I'm not importing, you know, X, Y, Z to Wilmington, blah, blah. I'm like, first of all, it's so creepy. Second of all, none of us were interested in you. And third of all, you were married for so long. Like, just what a disrespectful honestly it's so it's so wild to me that that uh in the midst of things that were so great like this is such a great episode all the actors are so great the kids are so great it's charming it's sweet it's like a lot of it's so innocent that there was this other side to the pendulum like as

great as some things were there was just this other dynamic that was so basic and boring and embarrassing. Embarrassing. It's embarrassing. This is one of my favorite Hillary tricks that we learned about motherhood when she talked about how she would say to her kids when they're throwing a fit in public, you're really embarrassing yourself. I used that all.

I used it all the time. The first time she said it, I was like, wow, it's so good. It's so good. But I tell, I've told so many parents that and friends of mine, it's so smart. But this is the case. It's a child. really embarrassing themselves. And it's so, it's so silly and short-sighted, right?

Because it really, truly, that insecurity could have come at the detriment of our show. The only reason it didn't is because you had someone as charming and talented as Austin. Because had you properly emasculated him and he didn't know how to play it, you would have really impacted negatively one of your leading men. And leading ladies, because what does that say about Brooke? Exactly. It's, yeah, it's bad. Let's talk about things that weren't bad. This is my favorite transition. I don't know if, I'm sure this was intentional because you put so much thought into it. There was a great moment towards the end where Clay and Quinn, I believe, were in bed. And you fade into a shot of Jamie passed out on the floor from candy, but it looks eerily reminiscent of the way we just found Clay and Quinn, a couple. couple episodes prior. Was that intentional? I think it was it was less like oh I want to I want to call that out and and more for me there's been so much that's been heavy and Clay and Quinn are safe in bed

and Jamie's safe at home and like what's sweeter than a little kid you know passed out on the floor and what felt important to me was communicating like the ease and the safety everyone was feeling particularly for your characters because this is when you discover that now you know Quinn is hiding a gun and she's really struggling her anxiety is getting the best of her and maybe she's not really dealing with this post-traumatic stress um at at the forefront of your communication as a couple. And so rather than, I don't think it was like, oh, I can kind of make it look like that. It was more, how do I communicate safety without having to have people talk about it? And the candy pass out for the kid feels very much like the Halloween version of

Christmas morning in a way to me. Like you fall asleep on Halloween night and you wake up on Christmas morning. And one thing I caught, and I don't know if you guys did, that I loved because the deepening of this moment for Nathan, figuring out his identity, Haley coming in, seeing him watching that game that she thought was in the vault, and them talking about this sort of new chapter their beginning, you know, to leave you two at ease together and see the little boy on the ground. It's such a sweet vignette of a family. And did you catch. Jackson was trying so hard to keep his eyes closed that his little feet were going like this in the shot, like his toes are wiggling, you know, because he's laying there kind of like,

I wonder what's happening. What are they going to say cut? Yeah, and it made me laugh, catching that. I appreciate, though, what you're saying, Rob, about that, the callback, because even if it wasn't intentional, I mean, that's just a great example of letting the material speak for itself because when you just lean into the safety, the truth is that we don't feel totally safe because there's still some, we all know Katie's still out there. So it inevitably as a byproduct is going to feel like there's a sense of foreboding somewhere because it can't possibly be all this safe. So it really worked. Right. Was that colon on the couch that the kids had drawn? Yes, we had junk. Was there a different scene with junk that got cut?

Because I just thought it was odd that out of nowhere, was there? Junk is on the couch passed out. I just thought, like, we didn't know he was a part of this night. On the crisis center a couple episodes ago. So they may be like peppering him in. Just to remind the audience like, oh, he's here. He's still around because doesn't he?

I would assume he'd jump in on mouth storyline that I don't remember. I don't know. So was he in more? And having him babysit the kids while we're all at Trick is a callback. I can't remember if it's a, it must be a, well, I don't know if it's a season six or a season seven moment, but remember when Junk and Fergie are supposed to be watching Jamie. Yeah. So we have this recurring thing that they will watch the kids.

Yeah. I forgot that we all were at trick. My brain saw the kids in their costumes and just thought, wasn't Nathan just with them? But you're right. All the adults were at trick. And yes, we have established that he babysits. And that's part of the reason that we didn't have Nathan dressed up. taking the kids trick or treating to very clearly delineate like he went and did the dab thing with the kids and then brought them home got changed and went on a date with haley to open my yeah you had your hands full in this episode so a lot of moving pieces a ton of characters a ton of locations so many storylines to keep track of golf clap did yes big big golf claps did did you guys

notice my hair looked orange? No. Yeah. Everything starts to get that kind of copper tint to it. The color timing on our show really goes orange and yellow. Oh yeah. I had full stripes. I mean, that was a, that was a rough look for my hair. Every time we were over my shoulder, I was like, those highlights were really struggling. Yeah. Each stripe fighting their way through. That year, coming into season eight, it was like that. summer that the ambre hair was such a big thing. And you really see it with my hair straightened like that, you know, flat ironed pin straight. I'm like, oh, wow, look at those really light ends. They work a little better in a curl than they do. That was a moment. All the little things we

notice. Yeah, but think about how many girls out there did that with their hair because they loved it because you were wearing it that way. It doesn't even matter. Before there was the Rachel, there was the Brooke. That's right. No, she can't first. She did technically, but. That last vignette, though, with Nathan and Haley and Jamie, I thought was great. I loved the moment of vulnerability where Nathan is saying, will I ever be great at anything again?

Yeah. Now that his basketball chapter is over. I loved that. And I loved the way Haley reassured him. It was yet another moment of just a really good teammate and just a good partnership. And then the way you went out on it was so beautiful where it's this slow pan-out shot of the three. And that's the announcer from the basketball game, you know, talking about the game itself. But obviously it works for this.

But he says, Nathan Scott is having one of those nights is going to remember for the rest of his life. Yeah. It's like, perfect. Perfect. It was great that the previous episode was really so much about healing in all these different areas. And this was just a great transition. point. We got we got a bit of all the new things that are breaking forth, a little tie up of some things, new stuff with Jason, Alex, and their relationship now turning into a new zone

where is, or will they, won't they? She's going to take off and go do a movie. He feels a little bit used. He feels a little unsure. So it's, I'm really excited to see what the next episode's going to be because we did put a bow on so many things. in the previous and this episode. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years.

you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Honorable mentions? I mean, mine really go to Crewe, like Carol Couchal and Wardrobe and Rocky and the makeup. I mean, everyone is so good in this episode. And the way people really showed up and committed to this material, it's like I want to give it as a blanket to everybody. But they created, like, it's like they brought extra characters to set for us. And I'm just amazed by what they do. They were having so much fun.

I mean, you can tell it was just because it was out of the ordinary. It wasn't what we usually do. So everybody was excited to show up and work and do something different than they've been doing for the last 10 months or two years. It was great. so what's yours joy crew as well yeah same but same carroll and and tim and rocky and i mean just the whole was jane in wagerb at that time i can't remember but there's the whole jane back yeah that whole crew was outstanding i guess sophia you can get my honorable mention though for being the director behind the scenes taking care of it all guiding the ship yeah that's where

i was going to go as well so if you directed the heck out of this episode you should She'd be very proud of it because it's awesome. But if I got to give a specific moment from the episode, I thought the reveal of Aaron was incredible because she does not sing in an Irish accent. So I was in no way expecting it. So then when Haley goes, hey, you're great. And she says like whatever, thank you very much with that thick accent. I was like, no. Holy smokes.

It's Aaron from the helpline. Yeah. it's so fun it was it was great to get her and and yeah that that thing really gave the reveal an extra punch i think you're right all right we got a question here bean asks as an actor what has been your hardest scene to act out emotionally for example like when brook finds out she can't have kids or when haley lost her mom also of those heavy scenes which have been your favorite I would say the funeral scene, Sarah's funeral scene, was probably the hardest one I did on this show.

Just because, again, it was the heaviest scene I'd ever done in my career to that point. It was something I had absolutely no experience with, and I just put so much pressure on myself. So that would say that was my most challenging. Happy with how it turned out, but, yeah, it was stressful at the time. Yeah. Haley thinks Nathan has died. She just to go to the morgue to, like, look at the body.

Oh, my gosh, really? Yeah, I think it's coming up if we haven't had it already. But, oh, yeah, because that's my short haircut, so it's the last season. Oh, yeah. That was just really hard because I can cry so much better if there's another person in the scene. Yeah. Like, I'm so connected to energy of people that, like, if I'm looking at you, I can, I sense, what your energy is and it's it's great as an actor unless you're working with somebody who's

super robotic and then that's hard but it's uh to just have to conjure all that on my own i remember it feeling really difficult and like they they were great they tried i mean i played some music over the loudspeaker on set and everybody was quiet and i was but then i felt self-conscious about having to take over the stage with my music and my process and was like oh this feels so like everybody's looking at me and it's all yeah yeah it was just hard to get out of my head and really be there and I think also because I was actually pregnant at the time and I didn't I was already so stressed out in my real life and worried about the stress on the baby that then to go to work and have to do something enormously stressful and worry that that was muscle memory that was going to

be, you know, those hormones moving into my baby. I like, oh, I don't know. I really did not like shooting that. That was the hardest. I was having a very similar thought and it's interesting to me that we're both for each of our characters having a similar experience. The storyline of Brooke finding out she couldn't have kids, it was so sad and tragic and everybody cried on set that day. I mean, Maddie was crying behind the camera. Austin, like we, but I got to do that with Austin and talk through it. Say what was happening. The thing that was the hardest for me, much like what you're saying, was when I was just scripted to finally break down at Quentin's funeral because there was no talking, nothing was happening. We were just standing and I'm looking

at this casket and they're like, okay, sob now. And that to me is so much harder than actually having an emotional experience with another person and letting letting that emotion come out to just be you know like you had to in the morgue to just be like okay and um we're going to pan and then come up to your face and if that's when you could start bawling that would be great and you're like um oh okay yeah it's weird and now that you say that all all i had was just an empty casket there was no one on set with me that day. Interesting.

You're right. It is so much easier when you have another person to feed off of. Yeah, because you get to find it and you can say like, give me a second. I'm like,

will you repeat that? You know, if you need it, you can have a journey. Let's spin a wheel. Most likely, uh-oh, I feel a tail. I feel attacked. Most likely,

actually so if I feel attacked too. Most likely to keep Christmas decorations up all year. Is it you or Ash that would feel attacked, actually? Probably, I mean, she just loves Christmas decorations. I love to decorate for all the things. Yeah. But yeah, probably, maybe her the most, but there is at current. Only one tree still left up.

Thank you. I'm getting there. Wow. Only one. That's impressive. I dragged my feet until Jenny finally said enough as enough. You need to take down the Christmas lights. So I would say I'm on the short list.

I leave those lights on all year round. You kidding me? You do? It's such a pain he has to put them up. Just leave them. I do not disagree. You leave them on the house and then just don't turn them on. Yeah.

I mean, they're white. They go along the edge of the gutter. It's not like you see him. Yeah, why not? Why not? I do still have some decorations that need to go in a box, though. They're all in one, at least they're all in one area, but the boxes are out. They still need to go up into the attic.

I have this sort of fantasy. You know, when you do the thing, you're driving with, you know, your friends or your partner or whatever, and you see the like, oh, and the power ball is $776 million this week. You know, and you do the, like, if you won the lottery, what would you do? and you know there's the meme that goes around that's like you wouldn't know but there would be signs i i'm like if i think about it and one of the top things on my list you know when you go to like a botanical garden and they have the lights that wrap all the trees oh yeah like they're i think they're in clear tubes and they go around like all the way up the palm trees and they do the

full oak trees and they just look magical and i'm like if i won the power ball yeah i would have someone come and wrap every tree that I can see in my yard. I would ask my neighbors. I'd be like, I'll pay for it. Can I just, the whole neighborhood? Like that, that would be the sign, probably, for me. I love that. I love it. And then they'd be up all here, and we would just be in like, Wonder Wonderland. Yeah, all the time. Next episode, season eight, episode seven, luck be a lady. Okay. It's been fun. It's been fun. It's been. Thanks everybody. See you soon. Hey, thanks for listening.

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