Drama Queens - Blurred Lines • EP203

Episode Date: December 20, 2021

This episode was a doozy!! With the appearance of strippers at Nathan’s Bachelor Party and Haley’s Bridal Shower, Sophia and Hilarie ponder how the Tree Hill teens were even able to hire adult performers! And they reveal a never before told story of how the line was … blurry … for one performer.Bevin Prince (aka Bevin) fills in for Joy as guest cohost this week, and reveals that Hilarie was responsible for her character being named Bevin! After her time on OTH, Bevin went back to waiting tables and customers constantly asked her if she changed her name to Bevin because of her character, Bevin!Plus, Bevin shares what Sophia did that completely changed the trajectory of her journey on One Tree Hill. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens.

We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion with your tough girl, you could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama, queens. Oof, bring us in, Sophia. Oof!

The name of this episode. Okay, guys. Oh, sweet, sweet baby Jesus. This is a tough watch. What? I almost feel like it's a pattern that we get such a great episode and then we go, oh, there it is, and then we lose it, and then we get it. It's like toxic love.

I don't know what. it is maybe that goes too far anyway welcome back everyone we're uh we've just watched season two episode three near wild heaven harry and i feel like we might have been in hell purgatory at least that's that's actually exactly perfect purgatory indeed this show first aired october 5th 2004 and the synopsis is although nathan and haley are already married 10 insists on throwing Nathan a post-wedding bachelor party, while Brooke throws Haley a bachelorette. Meanwhile, Lucas tries to decide whether he should visit Dan in the hospital. Okay, but here's what the real episode is about.

Strippers, just strippers. Like, the whole thing is just a, it's a fantasy of what teenagers are into. I don't know any 16-year-olds ever. who had the courage capability, financial liquidity, or frankly, like, even the thought to try to hire a stripper. Strippers are grown-ups. Well, yeah, that's a, like, is it a felony to hire one if you're underage? Like, I don't know what the movies were.

So, yeah, so the answer is yes, because Sophia, this happened to me the day I graduated high school. So my girlfriends at home who are listening to this are going to be like, oh, no, she's throwing us under the bus. What happened? We graduated and there was like a pool party, the last day of senior year of high school. And so we like all went to the community pool. It was sponsored by the school. And one of our classmates who was like super cool was 18.

And she's like, I'm going to get us a hotel room tonight so we can have a slumber party. And we're thinking like, oh my God, that's crazy. Like we're going to have a hotel room. room slumber party. That's insane. We get to the hotel. And then she springs it on us. She's like, and yes, and I've also hired a stripper. And I'm like, whoa, I'm queen virgin, man. I'm like, no way, not happening. So this dude shows up dressed as a bad cowboy. And there's like, everyone there is under 18 except our friend who hired him. And I'm just like, we look like babies. We look like babies on this show when we were 22.

Yeah. Back when we were really babies, we're definitely babies. And he proceeds to, like, put pudding on my friend and lick it off of him. No, it was a wrong moment to take a sip of my smoothie just then. Oh, my God. He brought a duffel bag full of, like, jello pudding, you know? It was incredibly inappropriate. And so he, like, went to every girl.

And I had seated myself, you know, like in hotel rooms, how they had. have the side table with the lamp, I was like in a back corner with a lamp. And as he started to walk towards me, I was like, nope, done, calling the cops, done, done. And that dude got dressed so fast. Yeah, he jokingly was like, you guys are 18, right? And everyone just kind of looked around. It's a, so it wasn't like all fun and games like this episode. I'm like, no, guys, the reality is that it's like mortifying and can be funny, but only when the adults in the room are the ones that are embarrassed because they should be. You're supposed to card. Card. It's a really simple process. Yeah, I just, it weirds me out the number of times that

things were written for us to portray that border into not only things that are just straight up illegal but like why did the grownups we worked for think it was okay whether it was Nikki saying to Jake how she likes him young or these this woman this adult woman stripper that Tim's brother hired telling Nathan you're young you're funny like this this guy stripping for all these girls like oh man I just remember how uncomfortable it was and I'm like who were these people we worked for who thought this was acceptable By the way, we know who they were and I promise you no one wanted to have sex with them

when they were teenagers. That's just the deal. Well, they used to yell at us about that. So remember coming up in season three when I went to do that movie on hiatus and I cut my bangs and he shall not be named screamed at me the first day we were at work and was like all the cheerleaders at school

they all had bangs. None of them ever wanted to fuck me and I hate women with bangs. And I was like, I think what you're saying to me is so far past. the line that um i don't know how to respond to you u-sick ew is that the name of this episode there's so much uh yeah there's if there's ever an episode where people are like oh we can see what's going on behind the curtain on one tree hill this is one of those episodes so let's start

what happened at the beginning of this because okay the beginning actually opened in the sweetest way on us hanging that beautiful board of Polaroids. Those Polaroids are so iconic. We were like, oh, man, this is so sweet. We love this. And then poor Brett Claywell. I mean, what a sweet man. What a sweet actor. This is when they really started to pick on Brett in the writer's room and make him do very inappropriate things. This is when they had characters start calling him dim and and they they had him quote ordering strippers on the phone as though he were ordering takeout right it was a very racist little rant it was very racist and inappropriate and I just really feel for him you know when you're afraid a good actor and he committed

because that's his job well yes always lorded his job over him So he's like, if I don't show up and do this 110%, they just won't bring me back. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that that's such an immense amount of pressure to put on a young person. Oh, man. But he sells it, and he makes Tim a lovable character

because he is so messy. They could have given him a layer of humanity. Poor, too. Poor sweet, Tim. And you know what else they did in that opening scene that we didn't like? They made fun of Joy's sat and brought, which we love so much.

Okay, so just so you guys know, that was a calculated move because you've seen, or you've heard in the episode where Haley and Nathan finally get together, like Joy put a lot of thought into what she was going to wear in that scene. She didn't want it to be like a wonder bra. You know, like there was a lot of thought and we loved it, you know. It made her look vulnerable and young and, you know, kind of bohemian and cool. And so by scripting it in to this episode, that was a way to make fun of her and her choices.

But like, no, it's not us. It's the storyline. And so Sophia and I both, like, cringed when we saw that because we, you know, we knew what was going on behind the curtain. And I like that, bro. I stand by it. I stand by it too. And it was difficult for all of us. It was difficult for Tim to have to say things.

he didn't agree with. It was difficult for us as women to go, oh, so you guys in the writer's room want to make fun of joy and you're going to make Hillary and Sophia do it as Brooke and you're like, ew, we need to upgrade you. Upgrade you to what? Like some male stand-up, pin-up fantasy, which is what this entire episode is. Oh, they. Girl, I just love that we checked our boot-cut jeans on for this whole episode. I also love that we huddled in the back of of that party bus when the boy stripper came because we were all so genuinely terrified can we tell the story is it bad i don't think it is

it's a true story okay this is one of the iconic stories of our little trio and a really like bonding moment for the three of us because we were all equally scandalized so give it to them give it to them oh man okay so this gentleman a pro a real pro shows up you know the

the gag we play, which I actually really appreciated this, like, you know, Brooke and Peyton have orchestrated this whole thing. Yeah, we call each other. Yeah, we call each other Cameron and Guana. I was like this. And, you know, we pretend that the party bus is broken down. And get the driver to pretend, too. Yeah, and the driver.

We were like stellar acting, sir. So this mechanic shows up. We're like, we can't call Lucas. So some other tow truck comes. And the mechanic is a stripper. now we don't know anything we don't know who he is or what his credentials are and he's like oh no yeah no i'm a i'm a real stripper this is my thing starts telling us about where he dances and like i remember us being like genuinely like like interested like tell us everything like what is that

like for you yeah and also like did you play sports in high school and like who taught you like who who got you into the game you know like he was an interesting dude to talk to and was actually very respectful of us because I think he could tell that we weren't like I think he's probably used to women ogling him and like wanting to touch him and stuff and we definitely didn't want to touch him like we're professional we're very nervous what I do remember is that the story we're about to tell was the turning point like he came in all with all his swagger expecting to be hit on because he's a performer and like you said he's very used to being ogled and objectified and whatever and he he did his bit for us and we were all so taken aback we didn't respond

very quickly and perhaps we're projecting but very quickly he was like oh dear this is not okay and then he got really chill with us and like just told us his story but his gag was you know he had his ripaway track pants on and he came on the party bus after we did the initial scene and he goes I can't even say I still makes me... Did we notice it at first? No.

Because we were, I don't know how it came up. I vaguely remember a story about like body hair removal or something. Like requirements of the job. Shaving butts. He was telling us that all the male strippers shaved their butts.

That's what it is. And we were like, wow, your job is crazy. And he goes, yeah, you know, there's a lot that goes into it.

And something about like how you make yourself I don't know look valuable you guys I'm sweating on the inside of I know we're both so sweaty I had a robe on while we were watching the episode and I had to take it off because we've all it's like we're pre-menopausal at this point we're just like oh my god it's so hot in here we're like I'm so anxious I'm having a hot flash um so he says essentially he's he's giving us the cute lines about how you get ready for being this hot guy and he'll never forget it he's got his track pants on and no shirt and he leans

in and he says, and, you know, the most valuable part, the most valuable thing I have for my job, I have a cock hung below the knee with your name on it. And we froze. We just shut down entirely. I still, I've got goosebumps all over my arm, so because it's mortified. My whole body feels, my chest is so tight. I remember, like in my head, I know that we were with our whole crew. Yeah.

I know there were lots of people around. But when that happened, there was just a group of girls in lingerie tops on a bus with a man who was older than us. And I genuinely, I felt threatened. And I know that wasn't his intention. And as he says it to us and we all look around frozen, he's not paying attention because he's rolling up his left pant leg. And he rolls his pant leg up to his knee. And then he puts his heel on, like, the bar top. Yeah.

And there is a tattoo, you guys, of a rooster hung by its feet hanging upside down. And it has a banner across it. Like one of those banners people get across hearts that say, mom. But in the banner, it says the words, your name on it. It's below his knee, friends. A rooster hung by the feet from the side of this man's name. kneecap with a banner so a quote cock with your name on it and we all were like we were so relieved I was so relieved because I had no idea what he was doing with his pants when he went to show this to us

and I'm like this is going to go so bad this is going to go so bad and you know that the nervous energy of just like oh oh this is like a very like it's very much a joke but that he has on his body permanently forever and then when he looked up like like, hazah, here's my joke. I think he, I really believe that he saw the shock on our faces and was like, oh, no, man, these girls are babies. And very quickly rolled the leg down and then just started to tell us all the secrets of stripping. And I will say thank you to this actor who picked up on the vibe and immediately changed

course and was honestly just so lovely to us. And put in such an awkward position. Exactly. Hey, hey, dude, all the, all the directors and all the DPs and everyone else will be out, like, in the road while you guys are just on the bus and just act natural, just act natural. So he's doing what he knows how to do, and we have also been so traumatized that we're just like, I don't know what's happening. This whole episode is about nudity and weirdness, and we're like the prude girls. But by the way, like, had that happened today, like, if we were on set today and some, like, dude rolled in with this story, You and I would be, like, salty and down with it and just like,

100% less another one, captain, you know. I'd be like, roll it up again. I want to take a video for my Instagram story. We're going to post this on Instagram. Oh, my God. That's exactly what would happen. But that has been a story that we've privately enjoyed forever. Listen, can we find him?

Do we know what his name is? I wonder if he's still dancing. You know what? Like, I bet he's a dad now. That's the thing. Eric. His name is Eric. Eric with a C.H. Eric. Eddie? Hey, Eric, if you're out there, hit us up on our drama queens page because you were great, man. Yeah, you made what was an awkward day at work. Incredibly memorable. Yeah, just talk about being a team player.

And do you still have that tattoo? Yeah. And like, have you inspired other people in your industry to get that tattoo also? Or was that an industry standard? It's like, you know, when you see people with the Masonic ring and you're like, oh, you're a Freemason. Yeah. You know, like is that tattoo kind of code for when you're at the supermarket and you're like, sup boss. I'll see you later.

I don't know. Is it a tattoo you're only allowed to get when you graduate to a certain level? Like, you know? Well, did that joke end up being in Magic Mike? I loved Magic Mike because it reminded me of this. dude because you were like learning all the trade secrets and they were kind of demystifying you know there's so much talk about females who get into stripping but not a ton about boys at that point magic mike was the first time anyone ever you know aside from those chippendale

skits on snl um like no one else really talked about it um yeah all right well that was a weird night. We want to hear from Eric. Yeah. Us going to the lingerie shop again. After hours. How would Brooke Davis have a key to that store? At 16. Come. What? You know who Bevin? Bevin gave me such Deb Scott energy in this episode. It reminded me of when Barbara came on during our season one rewatch and was talking about, oh no, I felt great. I wanted to jump in it. I was like, you know, put it on film forever and and bevin was so like this is hilarious and i look awesome and you're like good for you dude she inspired me to try to be more comfortable with my body i i love varying levels of comfort in women because what i never want to do is like shame women who are like no my body's awesome

look at it yeah or women who are like don't touch me you know yeah there's everyone's got their own comfort level and it comes to you in different phases of your life and you and i being cancer babies you know like being born so close together and being like very guarded little princesses growing up we were square as hell so real square and we ended up turning into monsters as we got older but um we certainly weren't there season two definitely not no and and i think that that's also really important. Everyone finds permission to be more and more of themselves, whether that's someone with very strong boundaries, someone who wants to get out there and date and experiment, someone who doesn't, like, whatever you feel is perfectly valid and great. And I will say one of the

things that I appreciate about our lives and their trajectories, and, you know, the things that have gone well and the mistakes that we've made, for me, what helped was being more of a late bloomer. Yeah. I've always been slower to figure out that stuff. When it's for us, when it's learning, when it's systems, I'm like, oh, I get it.

And when it's like, how do I exist as a person in the world? How does this work? I've always been real slow. And that's okay, you know. I think the stronger our boundaries are, the easier it is for us to loosen up in other areas. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Because when we're kids, we don't have boundaries. So all of the loosey-goosey stuff felt like very scary. And now I'm like, don't touch me. You can look at it. But you can't touch me. Figure out your fence posts, kids. And then you can feel safe in your own yard. Well, and to your point, I think the most important thing is to not use whatever your personal feelings of discomfort are on your self-discovery journey to judge other people.

Some people come into themselves real fast, more power to them. Some people take a while, more power to them. Some people try, get scared, get hurt, or make a mistake, and then go back in the other direction. more power to them. Let people figure themselves out and be kind. Like, none of us know anyone else's journey in the, in the clearest terms. And so I really do think you're right. You hit the nail on the head when you said it's important to represent people at varying levels. I liked that Bevan and Sarah were so comfortable in their bodies and loved being in lingerie. Oh, my God, their bodies too. Good for them. We celebrated them. And also, I love,

liked that we got to represent girls who felt more like us, who were like, I don't, I'm not there yet. Maybe I'll learn. And, and I like that we got to do, I like that we got to run the gamut of that. Let's get there together, but let's do it like, like, like Grace and Frankie. Like, we should do it in our. Oh my God, that is us. So if you and I are going to be 75 years old, just like, Who wants some of this? Yeah. Okay, we've got our hotness queen joining us. This is a special treat for you guys.

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Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey. Hi. Oh my God. We were just given the fans your intro, and I was like, I thought you were going to pop in. And I was like, the woman who stayed on our show when we all thought she should have been on SNL. She is here.

Bevan Prince. And then we were like, oh, no. So that's what we said about you. Hi. Well, that's the nicest thing ever. I'm so happy to see your faces. this is so much. I miss you. I miss you guys so much. Tell me every year. You haven't aged, Bevin. This is some baloney, man. It's Botox. It is a ton of Botox and no filler. Okay. Is that it?

Yeah. That's the key. It's not farm life and just like have induction on you at all times. Because that's what I was trying and it's not working. Whatever, both of you look 12. I watched the episode last night, which in all honest to you guys, that was the first time in like 20 years. I was. watched a full episode. And that was a doozy, baby. That was a doozy. I was traumatized. That's what we've been talking about. I was blown away.

I was like, what kind of dirty show are we making? We didn't know. We were saying we were like, God, last week was such a lovely episode. It was the Nathan and Haley wedding reception at Trick before it was Trick. We were like, God, our show is so sweet and wonderful. Look at all these emotional conversations. And then we have full-blown, like, emotional whiplash. This week we're like, oh, okay.

Maybe we should just move on from this. Well, so, Bevin, you had already been living in Wilmington, and you were kind of our tour guide to the area. You were our introduction to, like, a lot of members of our community. you were like, I know what barred to go to, you know? Like, you were a ringleader. And so can you tell us a little bit just like backstory wise? Because the trajectory of like you being a cheerleader on the show to now having to strip on the show and walk around in your underwear, I need to know how your parents.

Oh, they handle that? Give us the backstory. So we understand where we are in season two. Where I came from. And the prayers my mother has been saying for the past 20 years for my soul. So, yeah, I grew up in North Carolina in Kerry, which is two hours west of Wilmington. And my first year of college, I went to NC State. But then UNCW opened the film program.

And in my mind, I was like, I want to be an actor. Did I know what that meant? No. Did I do any acting? No. But I was like, I will bring you things. You get to wear pretty dresses and someone does your hair and makeup. I want to do that.

Yeah, that sounds cool. Oh, I transferred to UNCW in my sophomore year because it was the only program in the Southeast, the only fan program in the Southeast. Yeah. So I transferred to UNCW and then was interning to the casting office. And the guy sitting next to me was like, he was putting together a folder of all the cheerleaders. And he was like, Bevan, you were a dancer, you were a cheerleader. Do you have any interest in being a cheerleader on the show? And I was like, I've never been on set before.

That would be cool. Maybe this is my mom. Um, so I was like, of course. And so then I started doing that. We were making $75 a day. Shut up for, you know, 16, 18 hour days. I was like, yeah, 75 bucks. It's like being in Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So, um, and I was still in college. I was like trying to finish my degree at the same time, which was kind of, was really complicated for me. Um, yeah. And then, you know, I think because we were,

displaced from Hollywood. I got to know you guys so well. And, you know, Sof, especially, you were such a champion for me along the way with everybody. And, you know, and then they started to like, let me do things. We're just going to name your character. Kevin. Well, you know what? I remember, which was so funny because, you know, all those, all those early years when we were all together, like, especially you and me and Daniela, like our little group that we started to get so tight inside of meant that so often when we needed something, yeah, it would be like, well, why don't we have Bevin say this? Like, Daniela should yell this. Like, come on, it can't just be me, Hillary and Joy, who are

like the ones talking while everyone else is like smiling and shaking compas. This is ridiculous. And because no one knew how long the show was going to be on, where things were going to go, I think for the, you know, the script supervisor and the A.Ds in their head, they were like, okay, great. So they just called you all by your names. And then one day, someone said, Bevin, in an episode. And then I remember, like, four episodes later, everyone went, oh, shh. We've actually named you your name.

Sorry. It was Hillary. It was me. It was Hillary. And it was when we did a fashion show. I don't know why we were doing it. I guess we were doing another like lingerie fashion show. Basically.

Oh, man. Wasn't it always? Yeah, right? Because that's what teenagers do. Yeah. I like the teenagers now all wear like big hoodie sweatshirts and like the Billy Eilish big baggy fans. Like Billy Elish. Yes.

God bless that child. God bless her. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was Hillary. And so they were just like, I guess we got to keep it. Did it fuck up your life, Bevin, to like be on the street and have people be like,

Bevin. And have them confused. Is that now, after, you know, several generations have been exposed to this, you know, incredible show, people stop me and they're like, did you change your name? Stop. And I'm like, no. Yes. I'm fully formed human here.

No, I did not change my name to be a CW character's name. No, but that's a good story. Like, that's a great story. And then she murders the whole cast. That would be some serious single white female. It was such a weird time, though. For those of you guys at home who don't know, I mean, it's ancient, ancient history. But at the time, Brett, who plays Tim, was dating Sarah Edwards, who wears the red lingerie in this show.

And so it really did feel like we were all just like a pack of kids roaming Wilming Wilmington together, like doing Halloween and going to Pravda and playing pool. Like terrible, terrible things. Well, Bevin, we told the story last week about how, you know, when people go like, what was it like? And also, why did your show seem so messy? We were like, y'all missed it. It was just us in a town full of college kids who were younger than us and then retired dads and granddad's playing golf. Like, we were all we had.

So we actually lived a high school teen drama. we really did it in real life and oh man it was hilarious that's the show i want to watch honestly same i think about it all the time you guys i had written a treatment in like our trailer because sophia and i shared a trailer i remember writing a treatment while we were on the screen jems lot because you know we were surrounded by a huge chain link fence and there's like barbed wire atop the fence and i remember fans lining up outside of the fence to like try and get autographs or take pictures, you know, back when we used disposable cameras instead of iPhones. And I remember it was before the Walking Dead ever aired. And I remember

thinking this is the best zombie movie ever where like the whole world is infected except for this cast and crew of a team trauma. And they've got it's like we've got the catering department. We've got like all these different people who are skilled at things. We've got grips, electrics, you know? We can build stuff. People who know how to survive. But like, who dies first? Like, who dies in this situation first? It's definitely me. I'm not even a question.

I think the Bevin of the group is the one that makes it to the end. It's just like, I don't know, I can handle this. I'm resourceful. He's really smart, right? Yeah. The last two left standing are Bevin and Skills. That would be my dream starting a new world. Well, I'm not such a major...

You're the Adam and Eve. that was such a major i feel like turning point in at least in the way that i remember it it's a bit of a blur because we did it for so long but you know skills and bevin start dating and and i really feel like you were so cemented into the show in that storyline for you and antoine what do you remember about that like when they brought that to you when they told you you were going to truly become, you know, a part of the cast. What was that experience? Yeah, when did you go from making 75 to like being a cast member?

That was awesome. That was a good day. No, in all honesty, like, I remember it so clearly. I remember when they came to me and they told me that Bevin and Skills were going to have this romance. It was, it's like, it's really hard to process because it kind of feels like winning the lottery, especially looking back at it and, you know, seeing how many incredible actors there are out in the world that don't even get the opportunity to walk into the room to audition for an opportunity.

You're a really good actor, Bevin. Like, you need to give yourself credit for that. You take what can be kind of clunky on a page and you make it fond. Well, that's very kind. Thank you. I mean, I really do think I have a lot of skills, but I really don't think that's all right. Well, I know. But Bevan, we got to, I'm like, I'm going to jump on that moment for a second because

look, you're right. There's so many people out there in the world who want to do this, but there were also so many people on our set who wanted to do it. There's a reason we went to bat for you and said, give this girl lines. Like, absolutely own how. You were funnier coming in than the people from L.A., you know? Yeah. We were like, that's the.

comedy gold, go in that direction. And that was fun. When I look back at it, though, I really can find a lot of things that I'm incredibly proud of, right? I think one of the things that I'm super proud of is my ability to show up and show up really hard. Like, if somebody asked me to shake my pom-pom, I'm not going to shake it lightly. Like, I took that $25 day job very seriously.

Like, when I was told to cross the stage, this stage. the room I crossed the room like I was like baby there's a scene in the last episode at Nathan and Haley's wedding reception where you're just dancing in the background and I could not see

anything else going on because I was like that looks so fun we just kept saying over and over again this looks like the best party ever because you're there not even like the central character in the scene talking you're there making it look like the best party ever and that's

so much harder that's like such a harder job. I don't. I don't know. It was pretty painful to watch this episode and have all like the shots of me not say anything, but being behind you guys just like nodding and being like, like pointing and nodding and reacting nonverbally. It's like, oh God. I loved it. I loved it. You guys were adorable. Well, what did your parents like when they had you in underwear like right up? You know, in a whole honesty, my parents are not modest at all. Like, They really are like, it's not worse than a swimsuit, you know? Oh, good.

We're beach people. So they don't, they didn't even think about it. They've never even talked about it. And you know, in all honesty, I feel like my mom might be proud of it. Okay. You're good, girl. Yeah. Well, that's what we were saying.

We're like, you know what? Record that for all posterity. Yeah. It's appropriate for eye heart media at all. But, y'all, can I get those boobs back? Pulling. Girl, I was talking about Joy's boobs the whole time we watched the because I was like, you know, they've got this stripper coming over.

But meanwhile, Haley's like banging in this episode. Yeah. Yeah. Who needs a stripper? It is funny to look back. We've been laughing so much, Bevan on the show, being like, oh, man, we were all so self-conscious and uncomfortable and like, look at us. Can I have that back?

Oh, my God. The skin? I was like, oh. We had no idea. We had no idea, but I, you know, I guess that's what they say. I was about to say the most cliche thing. I'm just going to say it. I was like, that's probably why they say youth is wasted on the young.

And I'm like, I'm just going to go walk into traffic. Like I got to go. Who have I turned into? I am my grandfather. Oh, my God. I swear we are now. Oh, you're going to throw it out lightly as your own. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia. and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls

became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other. Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of

10, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So you... you worked on one tree hill and then you worked on like a bunch of other stuff too you were doing a movie

not great stuff no but you worked um and then you moved here to new york right yeah well then after yeah i moved first i went to grad school in savannah georgia at scad how in the world did you finish college and grad school because sophia and i dropped out we were like these guys we're making money so i was kind of like a you know i wasn't getting as much work as i wanted and i was thinking that i was going to go into the production side of things with my undergraduate degree. And I was like, maybe I would like the possibility of teaching one day. Like I've always been interested in teaching in some capacity. So I was like, if I get my master's, I can teach anywhere. So I went got my master's and I graduated Excelsus Laureate, which is valedictorian of all. Shut up. Yeah,

it's like my proud moment. Bevin is the one that survives the zombie apocalypse. A hundred percent. Yeah. And so I did that in Savannah, Georgia, which was amazing. It was such an interesting experience too, being 29, going back to school with 20-year-olds who are like, you've already done it. What are you doing here? And I was like, I don't have a toolkit. I don't have a set of tools to self-validate and this business is tearing me apart. It's brutal. I didn't know how to validate my own work. Like if I had gone in and auditioned and like, I could be like, okay, I did this, this, this is not about me. It's, you know, they can decide if I'm right for it or not move on, great job.

I would think I would take it so personally. And you guys know, I was, you know, wildly insecure young kid who just was finding her footing in L.A. And so it was the best decision for me to kind of pull myself away. And it was really just a shotgun course in like therapy and discovering who I am and humbleness and just a really, really informative time for me. So I'm so proud of you. That's amazing.

I think about that a lot. You know, Hillary, you said it. we didn't get to finish school. You know, I, I missed my senior year in college because I booked the show. I remember thinking, well, maybe I can do both for five minutes. And then realizing like, oh, no, I work 18 hours a day. I can't also go to class. And I don't know.

I think about that still. I think about how I would love to go back and finish. I would just, I would love it. Maybe that's the next show we do, Sophia, where we go back to college together. Okay. I mean, that's the kind of reality show I want to see. Yeah, I love school. That's the only version of a reality show I would want to watch is people getting smarter.

Personal growth. That feels great. I love that you did that. You feel like a liaison for us within the Wilmington community because you were actually in school and doing what we would be doing in a normal environment. And so you, I was drawn to you because I wanted to be normalized in that way. I wanted what you had. And so then, like, you know, you would talk about campus and, like, you know, cheering at school and stuff like that. And I was so, it was like a moth to a flame.

I'm like, tell me everything. You're like, what's it right? But then I also remember some like very stressful cheerleading practices we all had where we were all working like 18 hours a day. You were trying to do school and also film with us for 18 hours a day. And they're like, cool, you guys have a two hour dance rehearsal tonight. And all of us just being. like monsters there was like

who was that female choreographer they brought in that just could not handle us what was her name I don't remember either I can't remember her at all googly eyed like who are these little feral animals

how am I supposed to teach them a dance yeah I think I strategically just put myself behind you always because I was like Bevan's going to know the moves I'm not going to get it quick because I was like I got to write a paper

It was so amazing. Yeah, you, we always just tried to be close to you because I was like, if I can just, if we're in a line, but I can be two steps behind her to the right, I can just see her enough out of my periphery that I'm going to copy whatever she's doing. That's so interesting because me, like, as far as acting and the world of L.A. and all that,

I felt that exact same sort of thing with you guys. Like, I would just kind of stand a little, bit behind you and watch you navigate all this like i had the biggest shotgun class in film and television acting by just working with you guys you guys held my hand through everything i was like what is a mark i don't know what to do this director's being mean to me what was that one director that made me cry oh you guys remember that what episode was that oh god he was so mean so mean nobody liked her and she made one scene it was was it was it the mom from growing pains?

No. She made me cry. I will find her. No, I know what you're thinking of, and I think I've like rage blocked her out of my brain. Was it when we did the date night when I like went off with mouth? It was that girl party we had, the boy draft. The boy draft.

That's what it was because there was a scene by the water film that I felt was supposed to be comedy, and she wanted it to be really actually sexy. And like, there's nothing funnier than me trying to be sexy. I don't know, we saw some sexy moves in this episode. I wanted to crawl into a hole when I saw that. I was like, turn it off. I went to my husband and he was like, that's really uncomfortable.

Has he never seen it? No, he, like, he's British. Like, I mean, he did, his friends did, like, watch it growing up, but he did it. And so he gets very uncomfortable seeing people we know on television. Like, he can't, he doesn't like that. Jeffrey's never seen the show. Grant hasn't either. I cannot believe you're marrying Grant.

Wait, you guys, do you know that Tyler has merch because of Megan, Tyler Hilton, has these hats that he makes for friends that say, I've never seen one tree hill? And when I was catching up with them, Tyler found out Grant had never seen it and was like, oh my God, and a box of these hats showed up at our house. Oh, my God, I have to get one for Jeff. Dude, all of our husbands got to wear these hats. it's probably why we feel safe because we're like oh oh you don't know fantastic you don't care it's amazing though like i'm you know i have this studio here now and i'm teaching but tell us how you got there

you you're good at everything you do and that's i think why we were also drawn to you because you're just like okay i'm going to act now and then i'm going to go back to college and be the best and then i'm going to go to new york yeah you literally rise to the top always here's the thing Beyonce did not wake up like that. That's like my motto. Like she did not wake up like that. Girl started in her basement and she fell on her face over and over again. She tried some bad moves and, you know, like worked it out.

A lot of rhinestones. In those early days. A lot of rhinestones. I still love the rhinestones. I got to be honest, but okay. I'm not mad at that either. You know I love a sparkly anything. I'm just like,

I love this darkly. Okay. So I finished grad school and I was like maybe I'll try. the East Coast because I, you know, wanted to be closer to my family and that sort of thing. So I'm like, I'm going to spend one year there because all my best girlfriends at this time were in L.A. So I was like, I'll spend one year in New York and then I'll probably go back to L.A., but I'm just going to see. And I was working for this producer and I got really close on this, like, guest star role on Showtime. And I had to, like, sneak out of work.

And I had to tell them I was going to doctor's appointments. And I was like, what am I doing? I just, like, I need to quit this job if I'm really going to give acting a go. So I quit it and I never waited tables and I walked into a bar down the street from where I lived on 107th street in New York and I walked in and I was like, hey guys

and they were like, oh my God, you're that girl from One Tree Hill and I was like, I am. Can I have a job? And they were like, have you waited tables? And I was like, no. And they were like, but you're that girl from One Tree Hill. Sure, you can work here. I love it.

I love it. Honestly, I love that. So I started waiting tables there, and then I moved over to ABC Casina, which I saw soap at once. It was so interesting. But people would come in and they'd be like, you were on a TV show. Why are you waiting tables? I was like, money doesn't last forever, guys.

And I went to grad school. And they weren't paying us really when we were kids. Exactly. You know, like you had to pay kids. Yeah. There's a misnomer that everybody who ever gets a job in this industry is rich. And it's like five people get rich. And nobody else does.

So that's what it is. And moving on. It was and it was also cool because it gave me a lot of pride that I was willing to do whatever it took. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm 30. I'm waiting tables in New York City and I'm not above anything. That's grad school in and of itself, waiting tables in New York. Exactly.

Exactly. So, and then my husband walked in and I met him and I was like, I, damn it, I was going to move back to L.A. And now I'm going to stay in New York. Yeah. And so we fell in love. We got engaged very quickly within like three months. Okay. I didn't get married for two years. And then I was feeling really stuck in the city and feeling really claustrophobic. And I know when I feel that way that I have to try something new. It doesn't matter how small it is. Like it can literally be like, you know, reading a new book. It can meet anything. So there was a soul cycle underneath me. And so the last time I had been to a cycling class was with you in LA.

Oh, my God. That summer that we were like, we're going to become gym people. And I think I went like four times. We definitely did not. You committed and you were like running all the time. And I was like, I don't run unless I'm being chased, but you look amazing. Like maybe I should try that. And I just, I don't have it.

You're naturally fit. No, but you're a sweet, sweet. Sweet baby angel. I forgot about that, Bevin. Oh, my God. I loved that day. I was like, no, but I remember that class being miserable. It was so hard. And I was like, I never ever. Why would anyone go inside and ride a bike that doesn't go anywhere? That's the dumb thing I've ever heard. It was so stupid. But it was right underneath where I was staying. So I was like, fine, I'm going to go. And I went in and I just fell head over heels in love. felt a sense of freedom. I hadn't felt since I was a little kid. Like inhibition, right? The lights were down. Nobody was watching me. I was kind of dancing like a teenager again. I wasn't worried about anybody watching me. And I think for so many years, I had gotten so deeply concerned with outside validation and what it looks like, what I look like from the outside in. And so finding

that sense of freedom again was amazing. And I was like, I want to do that. Yes. So I reached out to them and I auditioned. Yeah, you have auditions. And they were like, we really like you. You're funny. We like you, but you have no idea how to ride the bike. And I was like, give me a chance. I will learn how to ride the bike. So they put me through this like shotgun program. And then I started teaching. And seven years later, I was training other instructors, a master instructor. And that was my class in finding my authentic voice. Yeah. Finding it and using it. And as much I love acting. I loved acting with you guys. It was the most fun ever. I would do it again in a second. I don't love the business. I don't love auditioning. I'm not one of those people

that loves it. And so many people do. And I love teaching. You're a natural teacher. Like, it's an easy thing for you because you make whatever you're doing fun. You can see it in the show. You can see it in your real life. You're like, okay, we're going. going to clean the kitchen. Let's make it fun, you know? And that's such a valuable person to have in our lives is the person that cultivates fun. And it's always been you, Batman. Yeah, I want that on my tombstone. Okay. I'll start chiseling. Tunk it, don't get, don't get. Cultivate fun. You know, I'll want to see if anyone could make a tombstone. It's you, Hillary. I wouldn't put that past you even in the slightest. Like, we'll come to the farm and you'll be like, guys, look what's in the

workshop. Merry Christmas. Slabs of marble. I love that, Bevan. I think there's something so profound in a willingness to explore and try new things. And especially when you talk about validation, outside validation, when the whole world has told you you've made it, when everyone is saying you should be so happy and you're looking around going, but I'm not. Like, I remember the first time I heard that Maggie Rogers song, Are you happy now? And I just started sobbing. And I was like, whoa, something is happening to me.

I'm going to take a look at that. Okay. You know, it's really interesting because people, when they think you've succeeded, don't want you to change and how dare you try to succeed at something else? Who deserves multiple avenues of success? And when you have the sort of emotional metals,

the wherewithal to say, I'm going to lean into whatever makes me feel good, smart, wherever I feel like I'm expanding. You give other people in the room permission to do that as well. And I think that it's just, it's been so fun, you know, through the ebbs and flows of all of our lives together when we're in contact a lot and when we're just like cheerleading each other from across the country, no matter whether it's close or far, it's such a special thing that this little group of us gets to be each other's witnesses out in the world. Yeah.

I feel really grateful for that. Yeah, so grateful. Well, we've also like rejected, rejected the early kid's success in a way that I think only really the group of us kind of understands, you know? It's like, why aren't you guys, you know, pleased with this or you should be grateful? And we're all like, uh-huh. you know what we're going to do like 20 other things so that's it there's like a chip on all our shoulders that maybe doesn't make sense to everybody else but then when we all like collectively get together

like the golden girls and we're like let's talk about that shit well maybe after seeing this episode the chip on our shoulder will make sense to our face there it is yeah do you remember the guy with Mr. Tattoo on his leg? Of course, I remember. And the double nipple rings. Yes. Oh, I forgot about the nipple rings. I was reminded yesterday.

I saw it. We told, we opened this episode telling the story of when he rolled his pant leg up and we were all terrified and he realized it and was like, oh, I have to change my tactic with this girls. This isn't working. This isn't, this isn't like my normal jobs. No, no, no. And so, Bevin, we have been bragging about you, but like you're in the middle.

of work right now. Like you made time for us today. Tell us what's going on right now. So I literally finished class at 9 o'clock, got in the car, ran home. That's why I have a beanie on. You cannot see. You're perfect. No, you look pretty. I did my makeup in the car. And tell everybody who's listening about your company. Let's continue to brag on the things that you're doing. We like bragging about you. We're having so much fun, you guys. So I, at the beginning of COVID, first of all, SoulCycle was such a great, um, experience for me. It was an incredible, amazing experience. We kind of reached the end of our relationship. The company got really big. Yeah. I wasn't feeling like there was much room for the

kind of growth and expansion and intimacy I really wanted to have in my work. So my husband and I look at each other. COVID's happening. We're in our 750 square foot apartment in New York City. And he's on calls all day long. And all I hear. is his dumb voice. As much as I love his beautiful accent. I was like, I'm going to murder him. I'm going to literally murder him. You won't stop saying EBITA.

He will not say. What's EBDA? It's like, it's like, it's like, it means the bottom line of your like financial statement. It's like earning before interest. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer

because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other.

Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of 10, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Money talking. Yeah. Yeah, you know. When trapped in a room with EBITA, it becomes nails on a chalkboard, is the point.

I mean, even with that gorgeous little accent, I was like, I can't handle it. So we were like, how long is this going to last? What do we do? My parents were like, rent a car and get down here. Come back to Wilmington, get some air. Well, it was so new and fresh and so scary at the time. Yeah. I was like, I can't be responsible for getting everybody in North Carolina sick.

I was like, what if we have it? You know, we didn't really know what it meant to have. COVID. And so we finally kind of looked at each other and we were like, let's go for like four weeks. We'll get there. We'll quarantine for two. We'll make sandwiches. We won't get out of the car except to use the bathroom if we have to. And like, you know, so we packed up the car and we came down and my parents' friends were really kind to let us rent their place because they weren't traveling in my parents' little like in lease cut. That place. I loved that place. I love that place. So I, we stayed there, literally looking into Brant, my ex-boyfriends, we could see into his kitchen, him and his fiance's kitchen.

And you're like, hey. It's a small town, folks. It was bound to happen. This is the kind of mess we were referring to earlier, guys. Just this little bubble of people. There it is. There it is. So we got there.

We quarantined for two weeks. Like we did not see anybody. My parents dropped off groceries the whole thing. And then we were working from here. We were just enjoying our time working for here. We were able to go out on the water and be in fresh air and go for bike rides and runs and, you know, not be terrified and in a city. And we kind of look, I remember as there was a moment that COVID was getting, we thought it was getting better and it was going away. And I panicked.

I was like, I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back. That sounds miserable. That sounds terrible. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. And I looked at Will and I was like, I don't know what to do. And he was like, why don't we just move here?

Oh, it's such a magical place. It's magical, right? Because like, you know, from somebody from London, at least New York is like an easy, an easy way to, an easy, you know, place to get to. So we went back and we packed up our bags and we said, we kind of told everybody we would during it temporarily and we kind of told ourselves emotionally. were doing it temporarily so we didn't panic. Yeah.

And then we found a place and we bought a home and I quit my job and I got a little business loan and bought 25 bikes that I could put outside. So at six feet apart so that it was COVID safe and I could bring a little sense of community and joy during a time when there was just absolutely none. It was the perfect time for you to launch that business. Yeah. perfect. And when we talk about you being not only a teacher, but the bringer of fun, I was like, of course she named it recess. It's the best part of the day at school.

That's part of the day. You're perfect. I love it so much. Guys, anybody who is in Wilmington, if you haven't been, what are you doing? And to our fans who still make, you know, the pilgrimage to all the OTH sites, go take a class. Can fans come? come and take your class as part of their, like, Wilmington trip. They have been showing up. And it's amazing. That's so cool. I would be frustrated if people came and, like, didn't, like, you know, really contribute to the community because it's not about me so much as it is, like, our experience together.

And they come in and they show up so hard and give it all they have. And it's like, it's the best. We, okay, so I've never done a cycling class because I'm a very awkward woman. I remember DeNeil came, listen, Daniel came to. see me at the farm and I was like, you've had three kids. Why do your thighs look like that? That's like insane. And she's like, oh, Bevan got me doing bikey things, you know?

So I feel like the next time we come to town for a convention, rather than me have to do another painting class, like, we'll just come do a recess class with some fans. That would be so much fun. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's what we're going to do. But will you also come back on the show when the Bevan skills romance flourishes? I would love nothing more.

Yes. Oh, Bevan, I miss you. You miss you. I'm in the city right now. I'm, like, looking out the window. And I'm just like, I'm here. I know. I do miss it. I do miss it. You know, we'll go back every couple weeks. And I'll probably start traveling a little bit more, you know, when things kind of settle down. Girl, next time you're up here, let me know. I'll make soap come down from Toronto. It's a four, it's like a 50 minute flight from Toronto, guys. I'm coming. Hey, let's get into some trouble. Yeah. You're in Toronto, Soph. Yeah. Wait, let's get into some trouble. Let's get into some trouble, ladies.

Hold on, I just heard that. Okay. I just saw spikes of our 24-year-old selves shoot through our eyeballs and I'm into it. Every time Danielle and I get together, it's like we're literally 20 again. And it's a disaster. I like that.

That's my favorite. All right. We love you so much, babe. Love you guys. Thank you so much. I'm so proud of you guys. I didn't even, I feel like we just talk about me. That's all we want.

want to do, though. I know, but I want to talk. Okay. We talk about ourselves all the time. Don't worry. The egos are intact. I'm so happy. I'm so happy for yourself.

I haven't had a chance to tell you. I'm so over the moon is static for you and Grant. Like, I can't even handle it. It's so fun. Please tell them. I said hi. I will. I love you guys.

We love you so much. Have a great rest of the day at recess. All right. I can't wait to get fit. Go kick some ass. I can't wait to ever, like, not feel winded when I walk up the stairs. Maybe Ben can teach me. I don't do anything exercising, like, ever.

But if someone was going to get me to, it's her. Because she would make it not miserable. I think what it is is I had a boyfriend when I was a teenager, give me a, like, a Christmas gift, like a membership to Lucille Roberts, which is a lady's only gym here in New York City. I don't think they exist anymore. Oh, my God. Hey, you'd be a 10 if you got in shape, and I have just revolted against it ever since.

Yeah. But a Bevin situation would be fun. And that's the difference. It's like, in this episode, the whole stripping thing is talked about so gross. We use the word slutty multiple times in like five minutes. I know. I hate that. But then if you look at it from a female perspective, we can look at it and be like, oh, there are parts of this that are fun when it's not gazed through the lens of, like, dudeness.

We got just a hint of that with the instructor. Sylvia Jeffries was the instructor of the ladies' pole dancing class. And I know so many women, especially women who've been through trauma, who have gotten back into relationship with their bodies by being in groups of women and taking classes like that. They have literally, like, gotten physically back into their own beings. And I would love to see more of our... our ability to move, whether it's through dance or spin or whatever, I would love to see that

be culturally presented to us as strengthening and empowering and, like, goddess, rather than, like, you look hot when you do this, ladies. I don't like that. Ugh. This is a goddess body. This is a goddess body. Damn it. Damn it. Maybe that's what we call this episode. Yeah, God is not a name. We're just going to take it back. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world,

influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word. one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make?

Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so should we answer fan questions? I think we should. Yeah, we have some good ones. This is actually lovely. Tobra asks, if you could go back and tell your 22-year-old self one thing about how to deal with what life throw

was it you, what would it be? 22? Hold on. I'm trying to like differentiate 22 from 25. They're all messy. We were 22 in this year. Season 2, we were 22. Okay. So I would tell 22-year-old me, don't let them bleach your hair. Okay, so listen, the bleaching of the hair was at a very fancy salon and our partner dressers had to fix it. They like totally burn. all my hair off at this very fancy salon here in the city. And what is giving me private relief, because this season is so painful to watch aesthetically,

is that Sweet Billy Eilish, who I just think the world of, is also dealing with the blonde burn mullet. It's the burn mullet. I feel like Miley's gone through a burn mullet phase. Everybody who bleaches their hair out seems to. Yeah, burn mullet is just a rite of passage. okay my daughter my daughter literally just brought me this business card

I gave Jeff these business cards to hand out at our wedding because he's uncomfortable in crowds they say uh stop talking I have those Hillary I have those George just brought me he's like mom enough what advice do you give 22 year old you oh man um

I I would tell 22-year-old me to trust my gut, I didn't have experience with people who lied, like, in my young adulthood. And so when something would go wrong in that early phase of, you know, being on our own for the first time, I really believed what people would say. I'd bring up a feeling or something I heard or something that made me uncomfortable. And I would just take whatever the excuse was.

And now I understand that for some of us, you can trust what comes out of our mouths. And for some people, you can't. And when I think about how that affected, you know, my young adulthood and my innocence at the time and all of us, really, you know, even our friendships. When the 40 and 50-year-old people we worked for were pitting us against each other because they didn't want us to ask for a decent salary, we didn't know that. We just thought that when our bosses said, you said something about me or I said something about you or Joy said something about one of us, like, we didn't know that that wasn't true. And if I could go back and do anything, I would say push into the questions you have

about what you're being told because you're right, you're just very used to believing the people who you think are the adults in the room. Yeah. And I would encourage young women to do that to always pull things apart and make sure they know what's really going on. Well, because now that we're the adults,

we know that adults are full of shit. At the time, we were mystified. We were like, what's happening? You guys have it figured out. Wrong. And I think it's part of the reason that we as adults and women and advocates try to be so honest with people and even doing this show and talking about what it was, you know, the joy and the not so joyful parts of it,

we want to do that so that we can give other people the roadmap and like maybe they don't have to get stuck in as many ditches as we did. We'll be the AAA of female emotions. The triple A of the ladies. Call us any time. We've got another question from Malfi. Did any of you have any rituals or things you did to prepare for your day of acting? I mean, I brought that little red coffee maker into the hair and makeup trailer, and that was kind of all I cared about.

It's still the case. Yeah, I mean, look at this jar of coffee. A jar of coffee. A jar of coffee. Same. Honestly, when you're working hours like that and you barely get to sleep, because what people don't think about is you work all these hours. You know, we were on set 16 to 18 hours a day. Then when you go home, you have to learn the 10 pages of dialogue for tomorrow.

So you do a lot of homework when you get home. So I just remember feeling like every extra second of sleep I could get. I would literally lay my clothes out on my bed next to me. So I could have the alarm go off. I'd run into the bathroom, shower and brush my teeth in the shower, run back into my room, put my clothes on, and run out the door. I wish I was the sort of person

who was like, oh, my call time's 4.30 in the morning. Well, I'll get up at 3.30 and have a tea ceremony and meditate. I would love to be that person. I'm not. I'm sloppier. Guys are waking up five minutes before.

My phone's probably blowing up because Sanderson's outside. Like, where are you? What are you doing? Get out here. That's it. That's it. Let's spin that wheel, baby.

Let's do it. Since my daughter's our most liking to. She's so bossy. hope that our most likely to today is just so clearly, George. Oh, most likely to embarrass themselves on national TV. Oof. That's beautiful. How do we get this Vanna White? I don't know. I love this. Guys, normally our wheel spins and then we just get the words.

Now the words have come up on a wheel of fortune tile with Vanna White presenting them. And I love this. She's like the most famous resident of Myrtle Beach. She's fabulous. Anytime I, like, know anything about Myrtle Beach, it's that Vanna White is from there, and she's their princess. I love her. Wheel of Fortune was the show I watched every single night with my parents. I love puzzles.

Oh, yeah. Would you go on Wheel of Fortune and embarrass yourself? Probably. But I think the person, especially after this episode, and it wouldn't be his choice, it would be written for him, but the person who would embarrass themselves on national television would be Tim. He's such a sweet, pure baby. Honestly, the way Brett played him, he just committed so hard. Yes, I agree 100% character is Tim. Which real life member of our family is going to embarrass themselves on TV?

I mean, I don't know if we should answer that. Let's not and say we did. Okay. We're going to leave it up. Hey, why aren't you guys right in and tell us who maybe already has embarrassed themselves on TV? We don't know. We're not watching. Yeah.

Yeah. It probably is me. I don't know. Having done live television for so many years at MTV, there were some real clunky days, dude. I disagree, dude. You're so good at it. Your ability to ask questions and move through stuff, like, it's so natural to you. I would trust you to be the spokesperson on live TV for all of us.

Myself, certainly. My most embarrassing moment on TV was when they, brought me into interview Angelina Jolie because earlier that day, she had walked off of an interview because they asked her about bisexuality. And so they were like, well, we'll just have Hillary ask because she's genuinely like curious about it. And hopefully she won't walk off because it's a girl asking the question, you know, like a young girl who actually cares. And so on live TV, I'm asking her this question. And I just remember, I'm being like purple, just like absolutely mortified, because she was so striking and so cool, but she did not walk off that interview.

God bless it. All right, folks, that's the show. That's the show, everyone. Ooh, next week, we will be back with Season 2, Episode 4. You can't always get what you want. I wonder what it's about. I don't remember. Hopefully we stay dressed.

That would be phenomenal. Wouldn't it, though? All right, you guys, this has been a fun one. I love you so much. We miss Joy very, very much. She'll be back next week. Joy, we hope you're having an amazing time at work this week. We love you.

And we love you all. We'll see you soon. Fully dressed. Bye, everyone. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Dramaquins at iHeartRadio.com.

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Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacre. rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.