Drama Queens - Checking into the Hilton, with Tyler Hilton • EP210 (Part 2)

Episode Date: February 14, 2022

The Drama Queens are blessed by sweet Tyler Hilton, who played the opposite-of-sweet Chris Keller.Did you know that Hilarie and Sophia are the reason he met his wife!?Tyler reveals that he assigned himself a VHS crash course of One Tree Hill before joining the cast. He became such a fan that he was actually nervous around the actors and thought they might not want to be friends with him. And a significant script choice … Chris Keller always refers to Chris Keller as "Chris Keller." Discover the origin of why he refers to himself in the 3rd person.We give this Hilton a 5-Star rating. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama queen cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Oh, hey friends.

Here's the thing. We're real neck deep in this two-part situation. We're obsessed with this episode. But one of the silver linings of such a dark, heavy episode with so many feelings, is that we get some glorious Chris Keller action. He is handsome. He is talented. He's a pig.

And we love all those things. He talks about himself in the third person. Oh, love to hate him. We are so lucky that Tyler Hilton is joining us this episode. I love bad boys so much. Give him to us. He's here. And we're all sweating.

We're so excited. Our palms are hot. We've been waiting so long. Where is he? Where is he? He's a super dead. He looks exactly the same. Tyler, he looks so cute.

Why do you just get more hair? Handsome. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the inimitable, the extraordinary, the insanely handsome and talented. Tyler Hilton. Hey! Hey! I miss you. I'm so cool.

I love this. Hi, buddy. You're a Canadian now. Oh, yeah. I'm a dad. I'm a dad. I'm a full-time dad, part-time Canadian. And then I do music and play.

podcast with you guys on this. Oh, my God. Are you just going to join us permanently as our fourth host? Yeah, I'll be like the sidekick for sure. Honestly, you're wearing, you're wearing red and green right now. It's kind of perfect. You do look like Robin. Megan dresses me. Aw. She also makes my hair sets in quarantine. Actually, Megan just makes sure this whole thing

processes. Yeah. And I'm doing full-time, like, kid stuff while she's like so busy, like writing full-time. Everyone wants a script from her. So I'm just on dad duty. And then she'll come in, trim my eyebrows, give me a hair, And then that's how it works. Well, for people at home that don't know, you're talking about Megan Park, your wife, who was also on a teen drama TV show. Do you guys, I mean, I've spent enough time with you outside of work.

I know we all just bitch about team drama together. But was that like a point of like connection when you guys met? You were like, hey, man, you kiss and cry for a living? I kiss and cry for a living. So I met her on, okay, wait, this is crazy. So I've told the story a million times. And I forgot you guys are here because you guys are here. You guys, okay, you guys actually are the reason that Megan and I met.

What? You don't even know it. Wait, what? We were doing a promo, all of us for Wontry Hill in Texas. Somewhere we, I don't know where we were. Was it Honey Grove? No, it wasn't Honey Grove, but I was about to, like, run a marathon. And that was my last press thing was with you guys.

And so before I ran it, I said, hey, you guys want to shave my head into a Mohawk. And we run a mall. And Sophia and Hillary, we went to a place, and you guys shaved my head to a mohawk. So we were at the Mall of America, Tyler. Oh, that's right. Okay. We were at the Mall of America. What?

We, like, shut down this haircut place first, and you guys shaved my head to a Mohawk. Yeah. So, in a while, my agent has been submitting me for this movie, and every time she submits me, they're like, no, he looks like a back street boy. This is for a drug dealer. We can't have him coming in an audition. And so after you guys cut my hair, I told my agent, hey, I forgot to tell you I was doing this, but I shaved my head into a mohawk.

And she was like, are you kidding me? Like, now I knew new pictures of you. I can't send you out for stuff. She's like, send me a screenshot of your Mohawk, and let me see how it look. send it to this movie casting director and see if they'll even get you in the room now that you have a Mohawk for this drug dealer part.

Got the... Am I allowed to cuss on here? Yes. Got the fucking part! Yeah, you did. And that's where I met Megan. She was a local hire on this Canadian movie had never done American stuff or whatever.

And I met her day one filming that show because of the Mohawk. Oh, my God. Unbelievable. Cubs full circle. You also, you rocked that Mohawk. and you were so good in that movie. Oh.

I loved it. So have you been writing music since you've had your daughter? Or is it sort of like on a back burner because there's so many? I mean, I know when I had my daughter, I was not writing any music for a while. I was just so overwhelmed with kids. I haven't written a ton. I've written some stuff that the natural songs that come out when you're not thinking about it, they kind of come out.

Yeah. The guitar right now, she's like, No, no, no, no, Dadda, because she knows I start to space out and she didn't like. Oh. Wheels on the bus and we have our whole kind of like song list we go through. And so. Oh, that's so great. Oh, my gosh.

Sweet baby girl. I miss you guys. I thought that'd be so cool, but there's no time. Like, not to be whatever, but like I feel like I unload the dishwasher four times a day. Uh-huh. I was cleaning peas out of the bathtub. I was like, when did she have peas? And so.

It's like, it's just a whole different world. But I've been living on a bus and an RV for like 15 years. Yeah. I remember telling you guys and I remember bitching to Lee a lot about this and being like, I got to get off the road, man. Like, I don't know how to, but I just got to stop. And so this kind of thing has been so nice. Like, just taking care of her, just being in one spot, sweatpants every day.

Yeah. I just, the only content I want. And I do feel bad for the people listening because I realize this is close friendship. but we are. I just want to watch you guys sledding every day. That's all I want. Just you taking Winnie on like snow adventures. Where'd you see that?

That's all I want. I saw Megan, Megan just post these videos of how in love with the both of you she is. And I'm just like, yep, that's a dream. That's all I want from the internet today. You know, it's like my life right now is so simple and so beautiful. It's never been so simple. It's one of like the real cool, bright moments of this horrible last two years. is it made it so small and so yeah anyway that's cool it must be crazy too to be you know where

you are you know as you said you've been a touring musician you've you've worked all over the place and on movies and tv shows and Megan's you know winning audience awards for the movies that she's making and you guys are raising your daughter and now you're up in Canada like is it crazy from from all this life to pause and look back on this episode from when was this 2003 no 2004 2005 like does it feel like such a trip to see all of us when we were little babies

babies it makes me every time I see something like that I feel like I can't believe how cool you guys always were and I can't believe how lame I was that's what I think maybe I look at that I'm like I can't believe you guys hung out with me what you're kidding you're crazy and you guys are like

just so cool and you guys it's just like it's so funny you guys all look so dope on the show I watched it back I was like oh my god i know that's how we felt when we first started watching it was it's a trip it took a minute to kind of get over i heard you guys were doing this i was like i can't believe they're going to subject themselves to watch what do you talk about we were adorable tyler we were fun man we're living in the glory days Tyler's hill Tyler was just saying that like he feels like a dweeb when he watches this and that we look cool and i'm like well all we do is make fun of ourselves

those pants did you see that the the pocket on my butt started on my thigh on those terrible pants. It's not right. That's how they gave white girls' butts back then. No little points for like, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You were great. I, I love watching this back because we had so much fun together filming these scenes. And I, first of all, didn't remember this was season two. There's so many things that popped out that we were like, wait, this is season two. I thought, I thought this was season three or four or five or you know like all these things that we thought it's all kind of like jamming together now um in our brains but i remember when they hired you and brought you down and

you and i just had instant chemistry we had instant friendship it was like we got on so well um and we had so much fun which you're easy to super easy to have fun with tyler um and what was that like for you coming down to wilmington a had you been to wilmington before be how many sets had you been on before and see getting into Chris Keller's mindset. I mean, just talk to us about your whole setup and getting down there. Yeah, it's funny because when I first got down there, so my label had set it up initially to come on the show and play, I think, promote my single. And I think Mark kind of offhandedly written this character and it wasn't, it was supposed

to be a two-episode thing just to like have a singer come on. And then I noticed they, so anyway, I didn't know anything about the show. I'd seen the preview and I was like, okay, cool. I just, I didn't even have a place to watch TV. I was just like on the road. And then Scott Clinton, I was just so out to lunch. I remember the front office said, would you like to watch them episodes of the show?

And I was like, yeah, yeah. A cardboard box of VHS tapes. Yep. 2003, or whenever this was. And I went to a Walmart and I bought an all-in-one TV V8. Oh, man. You had to buy it? They didn't just, like, give you one?

No. And I didn't, when I got back to the hotel room, I was like, oh, I don't have a VHS player. And so, anyway, bought this thing. So then I watched episode one. I was like, let me just watch the pilot, see what's happening. I watched the entire season in one weekend. I was obsessed. Yes.

And then I was doing myself because then when I went on set, I wasn't like, oh, hey, what's up, Sophia? I'm Tyler. I was like, oh, my God, that's broke. Oh, my God. On Friday, I wouldn't have known anything about the show. By Monday, I was a super fan accidentally. Like, I was so intimate. So the first day on set was harder than it needed to be for me because I was like, shoot, I'm really like, this is surreal all of a sudden.

I was just watching the show. That's so funny. Yeah, and I noticed, too, they started writing more stuff. Like, you and I started getting along so well. And I noticed they were kind of writing us doing more stuff together. Yeah, they were. Yeah. I mean, you were like starting to sing more together, offset and do that kind of stuff.

And they wrote it into the show. And it was like, just cool. Yeah. Dude, we need you to know that that end scene when Chris Keller kisses Haley, we were screaming and all sweating. Like, you guys, I don't know why I don't remember this, Tyler. Maybe it's because you're such like a solid dude in all of our lives and you've never been a creep with any of us. We looked back on this scene and we were like, oh, my God, the chemistry. Oh, my God.

Oh, I'm sweating. Oh, this is very sexy. What's happening? Like, I'm sweating even now, like, because I feel we. You're talking about it. It's embarrassing to be like, hey, friend, you still got it. The forbidden love. That was, like, fiery.

And, you know, I was like, young and, you know, Joy's like hot and older. You know, it's like, real, you know? Well, you came in, you played such a specific character. Like, we were all moody, broody kids, and you came in, and it's really easy as an actor to kind of fall into the rhythm of all the people around you. Like, when you're working with people who use Batman voice, you end up using Batman voice where you're like,

hey, yeah, what's going on? How, like, who did you model Chris Keller after? Did you have a type that you were like, oh, this is what I'm after? Or is that just a part of you

that you never let out before? You were there at my first scene, and so that was when I, and I think the deal was, I don't even know if he was supposed to be that much of like a jerk or whatever, but, I mean, he was kind of,

but there was something I did with it, maybe because I was nervous or whatever, and I was just, an extra i just became more and more of like an asshole i i don't know like a funny dick or something like and then as we made it funnier the writers kept making it funnier and then i just kept playing into it and it was just this that's what i loved about the show is they were writing they would take things that we were doing in real life and then make them um even cooler on the show and so i think they got little cues and you guys always like hating on me it was so funny every

time you guys were like you know i think they love that so they just kept piling more more jokes on me and it was the best. I, like, loved it. Any character ever. You really provided a comic relief on the show that we needed that it wasn't, it wasn't totally superfluous or fluff because there was substance to your character and there was like a reason that we needed you there. It wasn't just like some, you know, peripheral comedy, you know, yuck, yuck guy. Yeah, not like a court jester. Right, right. But you also, you know, there was like, there was a gravitas to what you had to offer within the context of

our story. But there was so much comedy that we needed. We didn't really have anybody like that, like the lovable jerk. We had the real jerks and the like super toxic dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because as you're talking about it, I'm realizing, you know, first season, that was kind of my job was to be like lovable, but kind of clueless. And now Brooke is like very deep in her feelings. And she's just crying all the time. And Chris comes in, and I do remember, we thought you were going to be in and out, and then you were so funny that they kept writing more and more and more for you. Yeah.

But I'm realizing in this moment, I don't know the answer. I wonder if you do. Do you remember when Chris Keller talking about himself in the third person started? Did you do that or did they do that? Like, where did that come from? Because my God, the first time you were like, Chris Keller's tired. I was like, what the, it was so good. takes that you would like at the end of the take you can't even look at you right now I hate you

I hate you I would like I literally they'd be like cut into you like I hate you I can't even oh my god we all would um yeah I don't even know where that started it's so crazy I mean it just kind of became a joke on a joke of himself but like such a hilarious character and also such a trope of like early 2000s like misogyny and so it was nice to like laugh at oh my god that's what Chris Keller is he's walking misogyny you know and once you know it then you're like oh i know what this is i'm not shocked by it the water's warm friends well once you know what it is it's defanged you're just like this guy which is actually a really smart and progressive way of uh highlighting all of the ridiculous tropes and all the all the things

that were were toxic and ridiculous and accepted at the time in society to have to have a character that was just calling all those things out and just sort of living them openly in a comedic way. We could all laugh at it. But we're also like, oh, yeah, guys do do that. And it is okay. And that's weird. I don't feel so great about that. You know, and so much of that, too, I feel like was because we became friends so quick, like the three of you guys and I did. Like, as soon as I met you, we were, like, hanging out every night. Were you even 21 yet or were we sneaking you into bars? You guys were, you guys were all older than me.

You guys were like 24 and I was like 19. Yes. Were you and James the same age? He was younger than me. He was 17. Yeah, season one. Season one, he was. Season one, yeah.

So season two, he was 18, yeah. We were 22, you were 20, he was 18. Oh, yeah. And he wasn't really hanging. That's right, because he was kind of like hanging with his college kids and we were like, oh, yeah. We didn't want to corrupt him. Well, you didn't.

No, but it's just crazy how close we all became. And I think that like that chemistry and also like when my label was like, they want you to come back. Would you want to come back? I was like, I want to spend the rest of my life. So fun. How many episodes did you end up doing? Because you were there after I left. I don't remember.

But the funny thing is somebody told me that I actually ended up doing more episodes of that show extant with your husband than one. country. I was like, really? That's not possible. I was like, what? I think that was on the show like every up. And with One Tree Hill, I was on tour. I'd come up for three episodes. This is what's so screwed up about Tyler is that we started doing One Tree Hill and he was supposed to be older than us. Right? Yeah. And I'm like, Hey, you're like a big bully. You jerk face. And then we go on to our next job where we're supposed to play the same age. We did a Christmas movie together and we're supposed to be like friends from school. And we like, same great. And then we do extant where I'm, I'm, like, definitely older than you and, like, your boss, you know?

And he stays the same age and I just get older and older and older. And it's some bullshit, Tyler, Tyler and Antoine are drinking the same secret sauce. Antoine, dude. Antoine played a 17-year-old for 17 years. Back in to a Wontry Hill reboot and play 17-year-old skills again. Oh, my God. I mean, it's feasible. I have a picture of you from extant where, like, you're being hung.

like I don't know what I don't I didn't what what happened but you're also flipping off my husband's camera you're like right honestly drama TV is hilarious like what we do can't laugh at it in the moment like they wrote this scene I could you not they took me aside to be like hey we have to tell you something heavy is happening to your character next episode you're going to hang yourself hey I'm like that's really heavy that's serious yeah yeah yeah yourself you know and then they're and I was like Oh, okay, like thinking like, well, thank you guys for having me on the show. This has been wonderful. You survive.

Hallie Berry cuts you down and saves you. And she and gave you. And I was like, wait, so I have to like play this serious. Like, I can't be like, this is hilarious. Like, you come in and I'm hanging from the ceiling and they cut me down. I'm going to send our producer that picture of you because it is the perfect professional transition from Chris Keller to this like super nerd. You can do it all. But after the ridiculousness of one tree hill,

you can pretty much do anything at this point. Like, you had to jump in the river at one point. Like, what was the dumbest thing you had to do on our show? The jumping in the river thing was so cool. It was so cool. They're just like, funny story from that night where this, I'm still kind of learning the ropes of being on set and blah, blah, and this guy comes up to me on set and we're on the riverboat.

And I was like, I don't know why I said this to him. But I was like, hey, man, what's your name? Oh, cool, cool. Hey, cool hair. And he was like, oh, thank. And it's like, whatever. And then they were like, dude, that's your stunt double. They have a way to- Yeah. I told them cool hair. Like, what a funny thing to say to someone, but also like, it's my stunt double. That's such a Chris Keller thing to do. And I thought that they were jumping into. I'm talking to a guy wearing my exact wardrobe, didn't even face me. My, his hair is like, cool hair, bro. Oh, my God. You're like, wow, that's a great cut. genius you're a secret narcissist we won't tell anybody oh my god it's so good you look wonderful

you guys are like i say this to everyone you know you guys are like incredible actors it's not the case on drama shows but you guys came out the gate um killing it and i think that's one of the reasons the show is so believable even though so many crazy things happened on it so you guys are literally incredible actors it's crazy so i got i mean the first sandy was walked the line with with Reese and Joaquin, learned a ton. And it was like an education. And nobody was as patient with me as you guys were, you know? Well, you came in a total pro.

And like really game, listen, I'm just going to say it because we've been friends forever now. When I found out that Elvis was coming to our show, I was like, that dude's in for a world of hurt. Like, we are going to kiss him. He is darling. And then you showed up and you just had such like good dude energy. It was like, oh, we can't jump him.

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What's cool is that even though we loved you so much, we had to pretend that we hated you, and you had so much fun with that. It was so hard. It was really hard. We would bust out laughing all the time because we just couldn't handle. You were so good at your straight face comedy.

I couldn't, I couldn't handle it. Do you remember how many times we just broke apart? Like, we just couldn't. I couldn't look at you. There were times when you would be delivering your lines. And it was on my coverage and I could not look at you. I'd have to look to the left or like to your ear or something. They just would fall apart.

Like you always had to be bummed and I'd be like commenting about your pregnancy or something. You always had to be bummed. That's so appropriate. It's so good. It's so good. How did they approach you about, because we eventually go on actual tour. I mean, you and I were on a tour bus for a while. How long was that? It was like a month, two months? It might have been two months. It felt like my entire youth was that tour. Like it helped. I feel that way too. Happened. It's just tour is wild because so many things can happen one day. You don't know what city you're in, but it's just crazy. And I brought a cat on the bus, apparently, which I don't remember, but I guess that's... You did?

That tracks. Yeah, and I believe that. Our drummer was like allergic to cats and, uh, or something like that. Like, when was like nobody wanted to tell her? No, I think they, you know, God bless her. I think it was like, oh, Joy, you can't bring your cat because someone's allergic and then Joy came on with the cat. So it was kind of like, you know, it was like a, you know, spaced out. You know what?

That tracks to like 20-year-old. me. It tracks a 20 year old all of us. Oh, there's pills for that, right? Take an Allegra. What a brat. Well, I'm sorry, but how do they approach you? How do they approach you about doing this tour? And did it, did you have to cut other things out of your life? Was there? Like, what was the, I mean, how did that all happen for you? You know, once I came on the show, then Warner Brothers, who was releasing all the records for Winter Hill got stoked about the collaboration between they have an artist on the label that so I think they started spinning the whole thing up like it was working all of us hanging out yeah joy it was a great musician and so it was like okay now our

characters are singing together and it was just kind of a natural somehow sunkissed got involved oh my god Tyler I have the portrait of like you me and denille at the sunkissed party in Miami yeah just like cheesing it up making those executives happy you're so good at it It was like sunkissed, me and the show, and then we just went on. Dude, they were involved in our Mall of America thing. Hill, you guys can obviously toggle this part when your internet cut out. Tyler was telling the story of getting the part in the movie where he met Megan because you and I shaved his head into a Mohawk at the Mall of America.

Oh, interesting. Isn't that crazy? And I have photos of the three of us not knowing what to do in front of that huge sunkiss step and repeat. So we're just pretending to tango. Like, what were we doing? But that's what we were doing that night. There were so many poor choices at SunKiss parties.

Tyler, you grew up doing musical theater in public school, and I need you to talk about it. Because Chris Keller comes in, like, such a cool, bro. But because I've heard stories about this, I need the rest of the planet to know, like, was it Greece? Was Greece the play? So I was saying that, literally I was like, Megan! Megan!

Yeah, she was coming down, I think, in a sec. But I was just dancing with Winnie this morning. Megan and I both were, and then we go together came on. And I was like, dancing with it. And Megan's like, this is when you peaked, Tom. Like, a freshman of your life. And I was like, actually looking back, it is one of the greatest moments. So stupid, but like, theater was the best.

The best. The best. Joy and I also connected, too. Majorly. Oh, yeah. It's all the time on the bus. We would just sit there and bust out into musical theater songs. I remember into the woods. And labyrinth. We had like a love of labyrinth. I remember. We would always. I don't know if I ever got it. I think Joy, you sure and you were really into it. And I like, couldn't quite figure out that movie. Did you pretend to like it for Joy? Maybe I did. No, but I definitely watched it. I definitely watched it.

Wait, did we, did you watch it at my house? Did you come over and we watched that? Oh, because I had that, I didn't have a TV. I had some antique red velvet couch that was super uncomfortable. Do you remember this? I remember your apartment. You had like the projector, right? And I had no TV. I had a projector.

I painted a giant white square on the wall and had a projector. And that's, yeah, I think that's where we watched Labyrinth. Yeah, and I was obsessed with it. That's right. All these years I've been deluding myself that we shared a love of Labyrinth. Dance, magic dance. Yeah, no, Tyler has that full... Tyler was just being polite.

Yeah, he's got that full David Bowie outfit. And he wears it all the time. I'm still a nerd all on my own. It's okay. No way. When he goes as David Bowie in Labroth for Halloween, you'll know it was for you. Yes. You guys had coordinating Halloween costumes at my Halloween parties.

Didn't you come as the cow from Giant? Oh, my gosh. Yes. No, and I was a fairy, right? No, two different parties, bro. Two different years. Paul was Rock Hudson Paul was Rock Hudson

You were James Dean I was Elizabeth Taylor And Lee Norris was the cow I have pictures of that somewhere Oh I've got the photo Came as like a unit Oh yeah No you were you were overweight

Peter Pan one year Or you were like a With a beard We had a beer gun Oh yeah that's right Yeah yeah Oh my you're good for a party My gosh

You truly are. Night we did something crazy. It was fun in the beginning, too. Like, I remember early season two when I first came on, we were still doing like viewing parties where every Tuesday or whenever aired, we'd go to someone's house and watch it, I remembered. And it was such a cool, like, go team spirit in the beginning. We did that?

Yeah. Used to be either your house or... Whose house? My house? No, I think Sophia's house. Oh. God, I felt like that was in later seasons. But yeah, I guess we started that as early as season two.

Well, that's the, it all blurs together. Guys, look what I just found. Aw. Oh, look at that. Tyler with the lock. Tyler, it was such a good look. Oh, that we did that, you cut my hair and went to go to the movie, came from the movie to that sunkiss party.

So that was literally looking after right there. We bookend it. Oh, my gosh. We're falling in love with Megan. Give me another haircut, so I get another cool movie. Yeah. Let's do it. What do you want now?

How about like a power mullet? We'll just let the back kind of like ease in there. Yes. um okay so what are you working on now because you've been doing music the whole time you've been home um megan is you know killing it directing and stuff and you have been juggling family you've been doing you've been playing shows virtually yeah yeah so i like started a patreon so i could do like month shows on there so if anyone wants to check it out i was doing them on you and they were fun but on patreon i'm going to have like an hour and hook up my like cool mic and stuff and just do like good

stuff. Can we make requests? Yes. I love that. Honestly, what you want to sing some songs sometime or something? Ooh. Yeah. Sounds fun. That's also such a nice thing to be able to figure out how to work from home in a pandemic, but also to give people like something to look forward to and watch. A safe thing to do. I know one of the things I've missed the most in the last two years is live music. Yeah. So basically all I'm saying is I'm going to. subscribe to your Patreon immediately and then become your number one internet fan. I'll tell you, I'll give you a pass over.

I was going to do it for a dollar. I did it for five bucks. I just wanted to be so cheap that like anyone can come. Yeah. But you're a good dude. You're a good man. This is the longest I've gone without playing a show. You know,

everything got canceled her. But, you know, I did some scoring stuff for Megan's last movie and I loved it. And so I think I'm going to be doing most of scoring for the next movie or whatever. That's great. Yeah. Scoring is so fun. And I could see how you'd be really good at that, too, because you are a really intuitive

musician. I mean, we were just saying when we were watching the episode, what a brilliant songwriter you are. And I feel like it's not just because it's not just putting things together. I mean, you really are feeling you're a great lyricist, but you also are an intuitive musician. And so to be able to watch a film empathize with what's happening in the story and create something from that, I could definitely see how that would be really.

really easy for you. Yeah. And it's definitely natural. That's like my natural skill set. Like writing Dr. Luke pop songs, like I wish that was my skill set. Yeah.

A billionaire? Yeah. This is my thing where I can watch something really easily and just write music to you. I don't know why. How many, did you write songs for our show or did we just happen to like get the hits? Oh, yeah.

We got the bops. Oh, wait. Did I? I don't know. I think I just premiered them on the show always. yeah yeah i think i just sang yeah i think i sing like 10 songs yeah yeah so many songs are a show do you have a favorite song that you featured on the show what probably you'll ask for me was probably one of my favorites and and i think i did kind of write that for the show um for the

tech episode i had it almost finished and i finished it for the show but some for some reason that song just it's like there's like a longing and like a there's something about it just reminds me of the show in such a like warm cool way. I never get tired of planet and it's always just a moment when I play it live. I feel like we all just like love one tree hill in that moment. Well it's such like when we do conventions and stuff, the conventions where you play feel real. You know, it's it's like we're back in season two and you guys are on tour and the fans are getting that opportunity to relive something from, you know, what, 17 years ago? And it's such a blurring of the fact and the fiction. We We watched you do it in Paris.

The first time we went to Paris, you played a show there. And it was like, these kids are like, oh, my God, it's real. It's real. Yeah. I think that's why the tour was so successful, too, is that because people were like getting to actually experience One Tree Hill coming out of their TV box and into their real life. And it felt for us like we were playing all the time. Joy and I were jamming.

I remember, Sophia, you were such a fan of all the new stuff I was writing. I was playing at your guys' house all the time on the piano, whenever there was a party. Like, we sang so much. you know yeah we really did and there was something too i think it's so cool to look back and realize it wasn't just hitting in the zeitgeist at that moment which obviously it did so powerfully but it's evergreen yeah you guys made things and not many artists in their early 20s get to look back on what they were making then and say oh my god it lasts forever but you guys there was such magic between you two on screen and i think between all the friendships we built

And, like, you made stuff that is still classic. We still want to hear it all the time. And that's so friggin' cool. You were just so fucking sexy together. And I'm just going to say it. And it was so, it's so fun to watch all these years later because, I mean, I've talked about watching stuff back as Peyton, like, oh, I didn't realize I was putting out that vibe. Like, I, you know.

And to, I guess at the time in our early 20s, I didn't realize, like, how steamy your stuff was. Nothing about everything we were doing was steamy. Everything was like a wink and everything. Yeah, but at the time, we all were like, that's a bad guy. He's hitting on that girl and she's in a relationship. And now we're like, oh, no, they just have undeniable chemistry. Oh, oh, oh, God. I mean, I...

Should she go with him? I honestly feel for Chris Keller in this episode because I'm like, he's not wrong. She did buckle down real early, you know? So you made a mistake. That's the best line. that studio that we filmed that in that's the actual studio that they booked for joy and i to record when the stars go blue oh yeah out there so we all we're real hanging joy and i in that room that's why it's just so surreal sometimes like you're in that room by ourselves working out when

the stars go blue should we do it like a wall should we do it slow fast they had the microphone and you and i were trying to work out the and not to be whatever but i was a professional musician and you're just really talented but have it you know so i was like that's great you know encouraging So it's just this weird. Yeah, you're really. Now we're in a room filming it saying so many of the similar things. And it is crazy. That's a trip that it was the same room.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. That song came on the radio a month ago in Charleston or two months ago in Charleston. I was on, which is so weird. I was in a store. And usually if a song from Wentry Hill comes on, we talked about this before, we were like, is somebody punking us? Yes, it feels like a trick.

And like, what's going on? But I had my mask on. And I was just like in the corner shop. in a in a honey store for like local honey. Of course you were joy. On the radio and it was on a it was just on the radio like they were just playing a regular radio station. There was no iPod or anything and our song and I'm sitting there picking out honey like

should you sour wood honey or orange blossom honey and all of a sudden I start hearing my voice come on the radio and I was like wait what what is going on and nobody knows I'm there nobody's looking at me there's no nothing that's not being put and i just poked maria i'm like listen i'm like listening to her mask holding that honey over there i was like tylin this is me as soon as i was like maria listen this is me then your voice comes on she's like mom i think you're losing your mind it's like now you have to wait just wait wait so in later seasons i haven't seen the seasons that i'm not in do do chris keller and haley ever like go back to play music together does it ever happen again uh oh wait do we do it in season nine oh i really don't know i think i was hanging with

uh chase i think they i think my love interest was stephen colletti oh that's right that's right what a romance i would love that they gave uh like had a best friend relationship you never see that with eyes on shows never not to me whatever like actually we never talk about this but like i can mark my life by like best friends at that moment and who I was like my best friend. Such an important guy. It's just so funny that that was the cute thing. It was Chase and Chris. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God.

It was so sweet. So for you two, for our musicians here, what show on television right now would you want to play music on? Because it really was an integral part of our show. And so if there's like a dream show where you two could go and like

play characters jamming with your guitars, what would that be? She wasn't even doing that now. I don't know. Are there? I wanted to do Glee. Like, I know.

Yeah, me too. You would have been so good on Glee. And like, what a dark ending for that whole situation. Like just like almost feels too soon to talk about for such probably all our favorite shows. Yeah. It's like, I'm trying to think of anything that's what are the musicals on TV shows. I mean, it doesn't have to be.

Our show wasn't a musical. It was just the music was naturally, like, Joy loves Yellowstone. I could see you guys sitting around like a cowboy campfire. Oh, you me and Ryan Bingham. Oh, how fun would that be. Are you not on a, you should, I was like, are you not on Yellowstone? You should be on Yellowstone. I feel like that's totally your vibe.

I know. Joy on a horse. I don't talk about Yellowstone. You're not, though. I want to be on Yellowstone. Oh, God, that'd be amazing. Kelsey's on Yellowstone. I know.

I submitted some songs for it because I was like, there's never been a show that's more perfect for me to score. I know exactly what to do with this show. And they got someone else I don't like it as much. Because I love that what's the guy? Oh yeah, Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. Yeah. I did submit a theme song for 1883.

It didn't get picked. I didn't get picked. But it was a good one. Oh, you would be so good on that show too, Joy. Oh, man. I love that. I just need to see y'all singing together again. We got to find something. Joy, you sent me that song and I was going to tell you, I've been meaning to sing on it. But literally, like, Megan is so swamped.

means I'm like full so I haven't even found a time don't even worry about it it's okay all favors with Megan and her mom just to do this podcast right now that's how heavy it's oh I'll get to it but like don't don't worry I'm writing a new musical and I sent Tyler was like I'm I've got this song I want to hear a male voice on it will you throw something down for me well I love that the baddest boy on our show became a girl dad and is now like yes you gentle bunny I'm so proud of you are you going to let Winnie watch this one day oh that That's a, that's Megan's apartment. It doesn't matter what.

I'm sure Megan will have an opinion out of the way. But she, I don't know what kind of phases she's going to go through right now. Have you this happened? She's, she's insisting on calling me Tyler. It's the craziest thing. You know. He's like, oh, he's like, hey, Megan. Hey, Tyler.

Like that's how he's like, Tyler. Can I have some more duck puffs? And she says it like, I just said Tyler, not dadda. And I'm like, in my gut, I'm like, do I really care enough to change this? It's so funny. And I've never felt more. seeing. It's like so good. Now when I get her out of her crib in the morning, she's like, good morning, Tyler. Oh. No. Yeah. You know, you have a special bond. Wow. So sweet. You're going to have to come

back. You have to come back, especially for Honeygrove. I know we mentioned it, but we need you back all the time because this 25 minutes is not enough. No. Well, yeah, I'll just, even if you guys have some other guests on, I'll just sit here on mute and just be hanging out. Yeah, just. Just, you know, strum your guitar. So we can look at you? Oh, I should have played a song. Next time I come on, I'll play a song. Yeah, you better.

Yes. I'll play, you'll ask for me for honey, girl. Oh, my gosh, that's a great idea. Done. We need it. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Kiss all those girls, man. Love you so much, Tyler. It's great to see you. We'll do this again soon. I love you. I love you. Oh, my heart is breaking. I just love him so much.

He's a perfect person. He's a perfect person. Tyler's the kind of person. He wins over even like the grumpiest people. Like, you know, like my boyfriend on Ventry Hill didn't love every dude that we were friends with because it would like feel threatened. I don't know anybody that doesn't love Tyler and think that he's just like magic. He's a magic person. He really is.

And he's and he's so, the thing is that he's actually super smart and he carries a lot of, he's got a strong backbone. Like he really carries a lot of integrity. with him and you know you can spend any amount of time just kind of surface time hanging with Tyler and he's great with anybody but when push comes to shove he knows what he stands for he knows what he believes and he has no problem like putting his foot down or standing up for his friends or you know jumping in the way if there's something coming at you he's great I mean he's truly a great guy also real fun to do shots with so you know hey I like duality oh god it was just so fun to have him on the show. I can't wait for him to come back and sing to us while we watch the

Honeygrove episode. Yes, please. It's going to be great. I need it. Okay, well, we're going to go to a break and we'll come back and spin a wheel and wrap this up, y'all. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other

native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to part two of season two, episode 10. Don't take me for granted. Everyone, where we left off last week, we discussed the explosive, the very, the very sexy. We were surprised. We all started to sweat. The very sexy moment where Chris Kailer, where Chris Keller, Chris Kailer, I'm like, Chris

Haley, the very sexy moment where Chris Keller kisses Haley James. Yeah. There's another very sexy moment that happens with Chris Keller in the recording studio. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Well, you guys, I just thought it was sexy. You too. Okay, give it to them. I thought you were all, like, blushing and things. I was just so surprised. What did you think, Joy?

That was some old movie star macho shit. I loved it. I'm sorry. I did, too. I did, too. Yeah, it doesn't bother me one bit. You didn't like it, Hill? I mean, I saw, yeah, I saw a little bit of Dan in there that was a little like, like, Haley said it's handled.

she said, I can deal with this and he still went and, like, choked a dude out, you know? That's because men speak to each other in a different language and he's not going to get the same message. You know what I mean? Like, if a guy's hitting on your wife, you can't sit down and be like, hey, man, listen, I just really feel like I'm uncomfortable with this

and my wife has it handled. But I just, no, like there is a visceral response that a lot of men have that I think only comes from, you know, duking, duking it out. Like, they need to just feel the presence of another man that's like, hey, I'm the dog here. Like, I'm the alpha dog here and you need to sit down.

It doesn't bother me. They are teenagers also. True. What I will say, it's so funny you point that out, Hill, because I hadn't even seen, I hadn't thought that Nathan seemed like Dan. I was like, oh, there's a little bit of old Nathan. And because he used to be a bad boy, he sees through Chris's BS.

He's like, oh, I know exactly what kind of man you are. And my wife might not see it because she is an innocent angel. But I see it and I'm going to kick your ass. And I liked it. I like that protective instinct. Okay, tell us. As someone who has hung out in the trenches, what I see is because Nathan escalated it to physical violence, it makes Haley still going to see Chris. It lets Chris know that she's going to do whatever she wants.

It gives him so much power. to be like, your husband's willing to come kick my ass and you still won't stay home. Like, had Nathan not gotten involved and Haley Lake came to the studio to be like, okay, well, we can't really talk, it would have seemed like her decision. And now what it telegraphs to Chris is, this is a woman trying to break out on her own and she's got a daddy to return to that she's got to, like, answer to, and she's still showing up. Like, it just gives Chris power. Do you see what I'm saying?

Wow. I do see what you're saying And there is something valid in that But now what I'm wondering is what about Nathan Like is he just supposed to get walked all over And disrespected? Like why isn't he able to stand up for himself And his, you know, the situation that he's in?

I guess I just hang out with more passive aggressive dudes Like if Nathan had like, you know Broken his guitar accidentally Like oops That sucks Oh boy, my friends. It's wheel time Can I get away?

Da-da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. Get coal in their stocking. That's funny. That's not this one. I know. Oh, my God. Joy, you're like a wizard. Joy saw the whole list of them.

And out of like, you know, the ones that are cycling through, she automatically knew which one we were getting. Give it to them, girl. The winner is who is most likely to get coal in their stocking? I mean, our guest today was kind of. on brand for this question. I think so. Character, though. Character, not real person.

Character. Totally. Chris Keller is just asking for a whole pile of coal in his Christmas stocking. Do you think he was like a bad little boy? Like, did Chris Keller, was he like the bad kid that started fires? You know? A hundred percent.

Yeah, yeah. He was like definitely the kid who pantsed other kids in school. Always getting to trouble. Yep. He probably had absentee parents too. Well, I was going to say. say he strikes me as like a boy who had a single mother who was a real mama's boy but didn't want anyone at school to know like he's got bad at her where he's like really i just want all these

girls to hug me and love me and touch me and gives me but um i'm gonna light a fire and pants you that's hilarious you naughty boy um okay but who in real life would get cold and there's i mean can we answer that are we allowed to say that really i think we all know the real answer but well maybe we'll keep it to ourselves i'm trying to think if there's anyone that we can we can jokingly put out there um no i think it's more interesting for you at home to discuss who do you think who do you think part of our tribe is going to get calling their talking what did you hit us with that in our uh in our instagram posts um it's not me i'm a princess and it's not any of you same not it not it these lovely ladies never trouble

I've never. Guys, this was a really fun. This is a massive episode. Yeah, monster. Frankly, I'm exhausted. So let's hope next week is gentle on us. I doubt it. What do we have next week, guys?

Next week is episode 11 called The Heart Brings You Back. All right. Bring us home. See you next week, everybody. Bye. Thanks for hanging out. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

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