Drama Queens - Drama Queens Live II with Bryan Greenberg

Episode Date: April 8, 2022

Drama Queens LIVE!! Catch up ICYMI. Special guest Bryan Greenberg reminisces on playing every-girl’s-crush Jake Jagelski.  Then, Sophia’s CBS hit “Good Sam” costar, Skye P. Marshall, pops in to celebrate your favorite BFF’s on screen together for the first time in 15 years!  Cocktail love from Johnnie Walker, Fan Questions and all the details about how FUN it was on set with the #GoodSamFam!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama, girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Hello. Hey, are we live?

I think we're live. You guys, are we doing? Happening? We're live! We're live! Hey, Mom. Hey, thanks for joining us for our second Drama Queen's Live event, you guys.

I'm just, like, looking at my phone here. We have so many people joining us today. I know. Oh, I'm so stoked. So, like, so excited. 23. 23 is a big, big deal to us. Let's talk about it.

It keeps coming back, and it keeps coming back accidentally. Like, the fact that our New York Times article came out on the 23rd when we were on the set of Good Sam filming. And none of us knew it was coming out that day. We just, like, suddenly our phones started blowing up. Weird text. It was so wild. And we were like, wow, isn't it crazy that we're together on the first. 23 of the year and then an hour later our article came out and we were like what's happening and then they

announced that our episode was airing today and we were like on march 23rd really really which is a double whammy because it's 323 so we've got both boys basketball jerseys covered here um and our fan base has been so cool like we've seen like 23 tattoos on people and they're the ones that give us a big heads up whenever anything 23 is happening. I should get a 23 tattoo at this point, right? Are you going to do it? I feel like we need some kind of a tattoo, you guys. We do.

Did we ever get fan art for the idea? Weren't we talking about this on the show? Yes. Yes, guys. Yeah, anyone who's with us tonight, we love seeing your art and the drawings that you've made. I mean, send us ideas for tattoos. We might get into our bodies.

Are people disappointed when they find out you don't? I don't really have the 23 tattoo. I definitely had some fans be like, oh, I want to see it. I'm like, first of all, I'm not going to pull my pants down for you. But second of all, you got to buy anything first at least. But second of all, no, I don't. I didn't actually get that tattoo, but I don't know. Maybe it might be fun.

Maybe I'll get one somewhere, a little 23 on my shoulder or something. It feels like it's about time. Well, we just surpassed this like major, major miles. with our podcast, a little engine that could. You want to walk us through it, Sophia? Why do you tell us what we've won? Again, we're paying attention.

The signs are coming for us. Just, was it last week or the week before? Now time is multi- Literally, as this episode is airing on 323. Yeah, we got the news that we crossed 23 million warm loads of drama queens. Yes.

My daughter gets so embarrassed when I do that. Is your mom my dad? I did a good guy. I used to do that to my mom. I mean, what do we want? But seriously, like, all of this lining up to have 23 million people listening to our podcast, we were marveling when the, what is it called the list, I guess, for, like, most popular podcast in 2021 came out?

The top five? it's us and then four true crime shows and we were like we're like nostalgia into the murder room we like it sometimes I feel like our show is like true crime and they're just like going on

that we're just feeling back to layers yeah I like it true crime and romantic comedy at the same time yes in the later season I want that it's a genre there's a genre there coming yeah hey Hillary will you talk a bit about the charity that we are sponsoring tonight because I know that you have a lot

of experience being from. You said you're from chapter one high school and just, you know, having the experience of kids being unable to play sports because of finances. So I know you have experience. Yeah. Well, this was actually Joy's idea. She brought this to the table and we all jumped on it because high school sports is such a big part of One Tree Hills narrative. You know, we spent so much time in that gym and supporting real high school kids is important to us. So good sports is our charity partner tonight. They drive equitable access in youth sports and physical activity by supporting children in high need communities to achieve their greatest potential on the field and in life because we know that they're connected. The benefits of

sports and physical activity in a child's life are very well documented and good sports exist to make sure cost does not keep kids on the bench. So like Joy said, I went to a Title I high school. We leveled the playing field by getting lots of donations for them through my charity, high school, forever that we raised winning for Parkview High School. And all of a sudden, you guys, once we gave them money, my kids are winning everything. Really? This is awesome. In school, Lady Patriots are killing it. Yeah, it's a good feeling to be able to level the playing field. So thank you guys at home for helping us do that tonight. Yeah. So many young people don't have a talent gap. They have a resource gap. And where we can fill that gap and the three of us can take a legacy.

of a show that was about, you know, small town kids playing for their home team and do something for kids around the country. It's really, really meaningful. So, you know, we're probably going to thank you all for being here a lot tonight. Thank you for helping us use this community and like this fierce amount of love we have for each other to raise funds for people who need it. It's really meaningful to us that this, that this fam has been able to turn into a positive force in the world. So thank you. Should we toast to that? Should we have something special to toast with? My friends at home, if you have some whiskey, especially if you have some Johnny Walker or Jane Walker.

Oh, you mean this? Oh, I have a display back here with a John of Queen's Crown. I'm going to lead us through a little adventure, a little cocktail. It's going to be like those YouTube unboxing videos. Roxing video? I'm so good. What I'm doing from Blue Nile, by the way. Look at that. That's what you are.

You're gorgeous. I know. Okay. Here we go. Guys, can I also just tell you a funny? So I'm working on my show in Canada. You can hear Jason Isaac, who plays my father screaming with the rest of my cast in the other room, because we're

gathered to watch this. You're watching us on a laptop downstairs. Our friends at Johnny Walker sent us black label to say congrats on 23 million views. You guys got the cocktail kits. All I got was the whiskey because customs wouldn't let me have the rest. They wouldn't see.

That's the best part. You can't send fruit across an international border. Oh, yeah. That's weird. I'm just going to have it. You found out. Okay. So listen, it's just an ounce and a half, okay?

Get your highball glass. Anybody at home who's got a highball glass. Give me some ice. Okay. You know, a couple of like I brought a plastic. Three, four, you know, you have the ice. Okay, a little bit of ice. All right, we're going to do an ounce and a half.

Here we go. I can't pour and hold it up in front of, here we go. That looks nice. Is that the big end or the little end? The big end is two ounces. So fill either the big end up a little less or the second, the small end up a time and a half. Or fill the big end up all the way. It's late where we are.

You don't ask me to do math. Yeah, we're on the East Coast. Joy, you know me. It's 9 o'clock where we are, baby. All right, so yeah, next is here we got some guava. I want that. Guava is known to have benefits for your skin. Oh, dear.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, shoot. Guys, I'm so sorry. It's just to build everywhere. My friends out. That's why they're your friends, Joy. They're using that. That's why they're my friends.

Anyway, we're topping this off. I have a little bit of grava juice. I have sparkling water appropriately. It's Canada dry, so I'm going to make a little. It's actually really good. I would not have expected to put those two together and enjoyed it, but it's really good. I'm so. Drama queens.

It's so nice. Hi, this is my friend. Hi, friends. Yes, you're good friends. And his wife, Laura's house. and they're like cheers to you guys thanks for hosting our girl oh yeah our pleasure i'm sorry it's fine but maybe just we should soak up like i got you it really like champagne this is very haley of you right now to just and you know what the last time we were together

you made such an elegant cocktail god doesn't give with both hands if you do a really great thing then you have to be a mess, just to balance the universe. It feels right. It feels right. Okay. All right, what are we cheering to? What's happened over the course of the last 23 million downloads that we want to cheers to? Girls, I love you.

We have learned so much about each other and from each other and about ourselves through this experience. I'm so proud to be your friends. I'm so proud of all of our fans for going on this journey with us with the ups and downs. I hope you guys all stick with us. We are nowhere near done. And just hang on. Hang on. I love it.

Cheers. Cheers. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for, like, kind of two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner

in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we have someone that a lot of the fans want to talk about. Maybe they want to talk to this person. What do you think? Should we bring our friend in? our friend that was me that was my drunk winking okay bring him in ladies and gentlemen oh my god

what are you so handsome i'm gonna two girls oh my gosh you're better looking now than you were then if that's possible what's the lord fine ugh where are you i'm in l.a i'm in home Who's dog is that? This is my friend's dog. This is Lila. Lila, the dog. She always wants to be where the action is. What happened to your voice?

I do have a cold. My daughter had a cold, and then she was like, Mommy, can I sleep in your bed? Yeah. You know what that's about now. Why do you look well-rested, Brian? You're not supposed to be sleeping. I'm not.

I'm exhausted. I have twins. I'm not sleeping. It's good, though. Let's get into that. I mean, we, um, why didn't I make me whiskey? What's going on here? What, why? What's going on? We're going to fix that. I want to be home in a week and I'm personally going to deliver a bottle of whiskey. Can we door dash you whiskey right now? Would it even be there in time? I'm still game to do it.

Really? Look at us. We fall on over you being a dad on this freaking show and now you're a dad in real life. It's crazy. You were surprisingly good at it, though, like in our early 20s. What was your baby experience up until? our show. My baby experience until I had kids was only playing Jake on Montreal. No. Yeah, I don't like my sister doesn't have any kids. I just always been around kids. You were so natural just with baby Jenny. You were so natural with her. Well, let's let the audience know there were like four baby Jenny's so whenever one would cry and the room would come in. But the guitar thing really helped. Like, that was, they, that would relax them. And now I do that with my kids, too. It's

kind of a- You do? Yeah. What are you singing to your twins? Say yes. I only know one song. Still, drop one. On repeat for 20 years. I don't know. I just play wherever. Yeah, mostly my stuff. That's the only things I can remember. Okay, so talk to us a little bit about when we first started doing the show. Wow. Okay. You get the message, you've got to play basketball. Right. Did you play? I thought I could play.

And, I mean, I played like pickup and stuff. And I was like, yeah, I play basketball. Like, I could shoot around. I know how to dribble a ball. But, like, that's as close to playing real basketball as I'll ever get. And once I got to, like, One Tree Hill and they were doing practices. And I was like, James was dunking. Yeah.

I was way out of my league, but, you know, Tower of television. Was it also a little intimidating for them to be like, hey, go play basketball with all these people who do it every day, and you're going to be the guy who plays in Chuck Taylor's. Right. Where did that come from, right? Why would you play in Converse?

I can't remember if that was my idea or Mark Schwann's idea. I can't remember, but I think there was just something like there was like an old soul to Jake. And, you know, he was. was like he was out of hoosures you know yeah he was like a throwback uh do you regret that decision later oh yeah that hurt yeah 18 hours because we had really long i mean we talked about this on our show we had the basketball days were the most brutal because they were just epic everyone was there all day long you never knew when you were needed you were always like on what do you remember about shooting those basketball days like i said that's as close as i'm going to ever get to

playing real sports. So it was really fun for me, because I got to look good, and they drew plays for us. I do remember one time, Chad, I was doing, we were doing a play, and I remember Chad, like, was supposed to, like, get out of the way,

and I think he forgot, and I, like, came down on him, and I broke, I'm pretty sure I broke a rib. I remember that. Of your own? Whose rib? My rib. Oh, God.

I think I came down on him. Like, he was supposed to move, We didn't move. It was like a little mix-up that happens, but I was like, I remember that vividly. But. How long does it take to heal from a broken rib? The thing is you can't, you just got to, you just got to let it heal. There's nothing you can do about it.

Yeah, so that soulful, like Jake Squinting was just Greenberg, like, in pain. His book is really happy. But no, I mean, that was probably, I played it so much. much basketball because we all became friends like all the guys in the team and we'd all play outside of shooting and stuff so like we'd do practices non-stop and I mean it wasn't that's all we did down there was play basketball and shoot the show what were you like in high school for real like who who was Brian Greenberg class of what were you class of 97? six yeah I was the guy who was kind of like I didn't have a crew or a click I could kind of be with

anybody i had a lot of friends but i didn't have like my own click like i was in theater i'd like i played the cross um you know to go to a high school yeah big public school in st louis parkway central shout out um yeah i don't know shout out our high schools on this one shout out so wait you did theater in high school were you like a musical boy did you do greece i feel like every boy did guys and dolls were you Nathan or were you Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I did Oklahoma. Oh, my God, of course.

Yeah, I mean, you do musicals in high school because those are the only plays that you do in high school. So you just kind of do it by default. But you kind of a theater nerd. Did you fall in love with all your co-stars? Because theater is like such an intense on top of each other experience. I would always fall in love with my co-stars. And then, you know, it's like over three months later.

Like what, did you have that experience? Just with you three. Oh, my God. Brian Greenberg, you are such a flirt, and I can't stand you. So here's the deal. I catch so much on the internet because all I do is rave about Jake and Peyton. I'm like, guys, I blush. I can't even.

Like, we watch these scenes back, and you're so smooth, and you're so good at it. And we're all just, like, dorky, giddy girls. And the fans are like, okay, Hillary, it's enough. I'm going to make a confession that I actually haven't gone back and watched any of these episodes so it feels like such a long time ago but what I do remember is like

we had crazy good chemistry crazy we're always good it you know we all remember the show but like not the episode specifically and when the three of us have gone back

watched like I feel like in every video where there's a patent and Jake scene I'm just like this. I'm like, I can't even, I can't, I'm so red. My face is sweating. It's, I didn't, we're also like, what? This is crazy. Yeah, like, I remember we kind of went for it.

I was like, shirts off. I was like, what is going on? This is a network show. You were older. You were older than us, which is probably why you played such a mature high schooler. But did you feel like when you came in, did you feel like you were kind of in on the same level? or did you feel like you were watching, you know, kind of all, like, no, no, I mean, like, you're up here with your talent and your understanding.

Oh, no, I didn't feel like I was above you guys. I felt like, oh, you're all serious regulars, and I'm just kind of here, guest starring. I'm not really sure of where I fit in, but you guys were so cool and you, like, you're so humble and sweet. Well, you guys, you were like, even on my other job, Cooney. We were like, well, that must be. something. How's that going for you there? Cool. Oh, you're making a movie with Meryl Streep and Uber German? Great. We're so

weird. It level jumps so quick, right? Like, I was, like, trying to be a series regular on One Tree Hill. I was dying to be a series regular. And, like, for the first season, and we were kind of like, I don't know, maybe there's a big cast and just get in line. I was like, all right, well, I really loved the show and I love the role. And then I got this other thing called unscripted, which is an HBO show with George Clooney. And, uh, and I was like, I'm going to take this. And then he was like, well, well, now we want you. And I was like, well, it's not funny after that works. Um, but I was like too late, you know, so, but I, but we worked it out so we could, I could keep coming back. And I, you know, even after I did prime,

I like, I kept coming back, like three seasons, I think. What do you think made you want to keep coming back. I just, I mean, the show, like, it was a really special show, those first, I only know the Irving, One Tree Hill. Like, I don't know what happened later on. Because there's, like, a whole cast of characters that I never, have never even met. But I just felt like we had something special, and I love the character, and I love working with all of you, and I don't know.

I just felt like we were on to something. I didn't want to let it go. And it was such a cool, like a rich character that I love playing. And the fans were really responded to it too. So I wanted to give them, you know, a full arc. They did. And you always had such a maturity about you anyway. I think that's what I mean.

Like we were all sort of fumbling around as young kids and you felt there was something about you that felt like mature and like you had seen more than we had seen in life. And like, I don't know. Did you, do you remember? You graduated college, Brian. I mean, you had been on a few. sets. Well, maybe I did a movie before. That was kind of like why I had like the seniority or the experience. But I didn't do, I was never on like a real show. That was like, I think my first

recurring character. So I mean, I was just bullshitting you guys. Like I didn't know what I did. We had fun though. I mean, we got to do fun stuff outside of the show too. Like there was a period where MTV had you and I host a Valentine's Day special. Because like Peyton and Jake were like hot and heavy at the time and I was like I feel like I've got photo booth pictures I I had that on my fridge for like years the photo you did yeah I don't know where they are I want to see those we had so much fun and then Brian had this pack of buddies from NYU and any time we all had to go do press in New York I was like yo yo yo call your phone and I just used him to like yeah we went out a lot actually during those days you had

fun friends. They're still fun. Actually, they're not fun. No, we're all friends now, Brian. We're not fun anymore. It's a memory. What's your favorite memory of just like hanging out in Wilmington? What was your favorite? Yeah, that's what I want to know. What are your favorite places there? Oh, man, I don't know. I remember going to that Dixie Diner a lot. Dixie Grill. Yeah, Dixie Grill. Back when you could still smoke inside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I used to smoke back then. I remember, Hillary, when you bought a house and you gave me a tour of it for the first time, and I just remember so much taxidermy.

Oh, yeah. Really dark wall paint and so much taxidermy. Where's that book I got you? Is it there? Oh, my God. Joy just bought me a book on taxidermy called creepy taxidermy, and my kids are a good for this. I, um, guys, I go through phases. I was in dark.

You're not still in the taxidermy phase? No, I mean, I still have all of it and more. I just have like two kids in the house, so I try not to creep them out. We told a story on the podcast, Ryan, about you leaving your guitar at my house. And my boyfriend of the time being like, what the this?

Well, because I was coming in out of town and I didn't want to travel to the guitar. And I was like, can I leave it? Yeah, yeah. And you were the dude, everybody's boyfriend, hated you. This dude, coming in, singing the songs, being cool. You listen to your boyfriend who was on the crew as well?

Yeah. Yeah. And then we had to do those lovemaking scenes. Yeah, that was awkward. That was awkward. That was the worst. Oh, but Brian is always there. He was cool, but it's weird.

No, but Hillary's right. You were the guy who all the other guys were really mad about. And, like, Joy, you were saying earlier that we all, I don't know, we responded to your calm and you're cool and even if it was one movie, you really seemed like you knew what you were doing in the industry and we were all like little fumbling

like weird. Every time you would like tell one of us we'd done a good job on something, we'd be like Brian said I did a good job. Yeah, you know, I feel like I've figured something out and all the other guys in the room we're just like, shut up. We're all to show to figure out.

We're still having. I think like you you were all stuck in this bubble of being serious regulars and I had I could come in and give some perspective because I would pop in and pop out like I was never there for too long and so I kind of came in and I got to like change up the energy a little bit and just like you know just kind of clean the palette a little bit and then I'd be out and then I come back from my guitar but I don't know I remember we all hung out all the time it was so much fun how many citizens did you? you do, Brian? I remember, I did, I think on off for the first three seasons. And I didn't do the pilot. Like, I came in on the second episode. Yeah. We talk about all the time how you're a real life, Lucas.

Oh. You're like a brooder? Introspective. No, just like introspective and smart and like, you know, problem solver. Well, part of you coming and going and coming and going was that you were actually playing music like you started playing music on the show was it season two or season three i can't remember but we were doing those shows together we would go on tour and we played a bunch of shows together that was a huge highlight for me just doing all those concerts and

letting us too brian us too we'd love the house of blues and all that stuff and um that was so much fun we never did a song together did we i don't know if we did i mean i remember going to see you perform Hotel Cafe, but that was just your show. Yeah, and I think we did a House of Blues gig one time. Yeah, we did a House of Blues. It's never too late. Hey, in fact, it's exactly the right time. Get that voice back. Let's talk.

Right, it's coming back. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic.

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brian, are you still performing? What's going on?

COVID kind of made concerts a weird thing, but... I haven't. Yeah, since... COVID, I haven't, I did like some online stuff, but I haven't really been playing except for my kids. I've been working more on, you know, writing and I'm, you know, I've been, you know, acting and I'm about to direct a movie that I wrote, which I'm really excited about. So I'm going towards that, yeah.

It's hard to do. And music does take a lot out of you. I mean, I've had seasons where I'm writing furiously and then I'll go for like a tour three-year stretch where I'm not writing anything musically because all my creative energy is focused on a story or some other project that I'm doing. It's just because a song will, I mean, I don't know how you write, but for me a song will live with, I'll start it and it lives with me for like a week, two weeks, three weeks, so I can kind of piece it all together. And it comes out. You're walking or whatever. I mean, what do you do? Every song is different, but I remember like someday, for example,

I remember I was, which was on the show, featured on the show. I remember I went to New York to do some press for something. And the producer for Wontra Hill was like, you have to shoot the next day. You have to fly back in. And there was a huge snowstorm in New York and I couldn't come back in. And so he's like, you got to drive. I'm like, I'm not dying. I'm not dying for the show.

But I mean, I'll do whatever I can. I like the show. But so I took a train. And I had like a 15-hour train ride from New York to Raleigh, actually. And I just remember writing it on that train, just seeing, you know, is the States called by? It sounds so clear. And I just kind of started writing it. And I had the song in my head.

When I got to the hotel, it all came out. I vividly remember that. I still think that's one of the better songs I've ever written. And I remember that the process of that vividly. I love that. That's so cool. But, yeah, I don't know. I just feel like I only have so much creative energy, and right now I just got to put it in a different place.

But I still love music. It's still there. It's a huge part of me. Especially when you're a new father. There's a new parent, though, too. I mean, that takes up the lion's share. George just turned four, and I just feel like I'm sort of getting like my shit together. I'm like, that's a four year. Four year gap, my man. It's going to be so great. You're going to have gray hair like me in four years. right now you still look like you did whatever right now you still look exactly like you did 15 years ago well i had two different looks like that was the first season like hair bangs oh the bangs and it was bad shabed hair shells yeah not a good look not a good look you all had puka shells in season one your jeans and so did we honestly i'm calling myself out here too that's a style now right it's like

It's all coming back to that. I should have to go back to things again. Hey, babe, your wife is such a good sport. Jamie is an amazing actress in her own right and has, like, a brilliant career. And I have always appreciated that she's a fellow MTV girl. You know, she probably hears about Jake Jigelsky more than she wants to. I don't like hearing about my husband.

Is she like, I don't want to hear about Denny. Is she a good sport about it? Is she like... It's good, but she's also kind of like, what? Like, at some point, I think she's going to watch. it because she's just heard about it so much and people it's it's the craziest thing that i've done a lot of work but this show is it has an audience like no other and it doesn't matter where we go in the world i can be in brazil and france wherever like people are coming up and

saying jake jake gilesi and uh she's just never seen it and i think one of these days she's just going to cave and danged all the thing and i'll watch it with do you have any here i haven't seen it since it aired oh yeah you guys should watch it together though I'm old enough now I've had some distance from it too, so I think it would be just interesting to watch. That's why we started this podcast, man. We were like, why is it so special? And the first episode we watched together, we were all bawling by the end. We were like, oh, God, it's really good.

Oh, no. You've all worked on a bunch of stuff. Like, why do you think this show connects with an audience so much all these years later? Because it's the thing that airs when you're forming your identity. I think we all identify with things we watched when we were teenagers or young adults because you're formulating your identity at the same time these characters are also being formulated. And there's bond there, you know? I don't connect with characters now as a grown-up.

I'm like, neat show. Cool story. You know? But that thing that you watch when you're like malleable is important. I think there's also something to it. You know, I think Joy, you might have been the first person who said this. Like, there was no fantasy. There was no, like, gimmick.

No one's a superhero. No one's a vampire. No one's a werewolf. We all liked those movies. But it was, like, kind of the last best place to go to just see groups of friends, trying to figure out how to be good humans, pre-social media, pre-i-phone. You know, like, just a group of kids trying to find their place in the world. And that's a universal truth.

And so I think despite it, despite it doesn't have been sense. Yeah. And despite the fact that the show premiered so long ago, these episodes still ring so true. When you tune in and you watch, you go like, oh, yeah, that's telling the truth to me. What I think it's interesting is, you know, we're seeing a whole second generation discovering it now. Like it now, it's like, it's crazy how it's got a whole other life. I think it's, like, ironic to them in the same way that they're, you know what I mean? I mean, they're not really watching it, like, enthusiastically. They're, like, just watching it and make in fun of it.

But it may have started that way, but there's no denying that you fall in love with these characters. So even if it was like, oh, this would be cool in retro to watch, the fact is, there's nothing like it on television right now for teenagers. Everything is high genre-driven. And to be able to give teenagers a safe space, I have a little brother who's 20, and he texted me the other day, what were the nine? like? What was it like in the late 90s? Oh.

And I was like, wow. So before some life like before a cell phone, you know? Yeah. And it's, it's cool that they're interested in that because it was a very different time. Yeah. Yeah. Where would Jake Jigelsky be right now, babe? Like, what's Jake Jigalski up to? What hasn't been up to since?

Agabon. Cigabon. Cigabon. just on the road you think well because he's like 20 now yeah

he's probably like maybe he's maybe he's like what Barry was like he maybe he's like the new coach like the new basketball basketball coach like he's the new grouchy coach yeah just drinking real heavily

that's what Angelin says he wants to be too so I would be really into a sports team run by skills and Jake Jigalski got to be honest This would be good, yeah. Maybe, like, rival, rival teams that were going at it. That could be good. Ooh, that's great.

I don't know. What do you think? I have no idea. Like, Jake could be, or he could be, you know, Jack Dorsey. I mean, he's like, you don't, he's so, he's so random, you know. He is so random. Because I completely forgot about the storyline down the road where, like, Jake gets arrested and goes to jail. Wait, what?

What? Yeah. Guys, it's coming. Everyone was, like, pounding on the glass. You and I had our hands up on the glass touching each other. Yeah. I did not. It was all in the name.

What you say? It was all to protect Jenny. Yeah. It was all in the night. Okay. Yeah. Brian, you know, you were mentioning that there's fans all over the world of this show. No matter where you go, people recognize you.

Are there any specific fan encounters that you remember that were like, either really meaningful or really crazy or I don't know what's just like I mean it happens a lot with this show um as I'm sure you guys all know but um I mean I was in Paris last year by the way it's huge in France um France is major yeah yeah one way French fans oh it made me look really impressive in front of my friends um who didn't know um but like somebody came up to me and they're like they're like, oh, you play basketball. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, I have in the past, I don't know, like, yeah, but with Scots. And I'm like, what?

They're like, you know, you play basketball with the Scots. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that it was, like, it had another name out there. It's like. The Flyer Scott. Yeah, yeah. So I had no idea what they were saying, so it took a little while. But, yeah, it's huge out there.

It's great. Yeah. What about you? I don't know. It happens, what? I don't know. You know what? We got reminded today. People were talking about being so excited for this, and they posted a bunch of photos from the last convention that you and I and Hillary were at.

The one in Wilmington, Joy, you were working, so I remember you couldn't be there. But people were posting those photos we all took together. And then someone posted the video of the girls who got engaged that we helped with Hill. Yeah. We put a photo while for a fan. And the whole thing was a ruse, and there were video cameras going. her girlfriend set it up. And we literally were like holding her up

when she almost fainted from the surprise of being proposed. We were just like, this is a very intimate special moment for us. Let's take pictures. This is so cool. People do. They really feel like the show is, like these characters mean so much to them. They're real. You guys, I went to go see Greenberg play in Vancouver

right after I left the show. So I left the show. I went and I had a secret baby. Gus was a year old so One Tree Hill was still on the air but we weren't on it and Jeff was shooting a movie in Vancouver and Greenberg's like, hey, I'm in town

or maybe I saw a flyer and I was like, are you here? And so I went to go see Greenberg and all these girls in the audience are like, what is going on? Did you have the baby with you? No, I had my little girl that I would die if you had Gus

in like a Bjorn. and people were like, it's baby Jenny. No, but we did go to lunch the next day, and I brought my baby. And it was so weird for you because you're like, you really have a baby. Like, we worked with the baby together. And you were young. Yeah, like, I didn't have a baby until 10, 12 years after that. So that was blowing my mind.

I was just not in that headspace. Yeah, well. Now you've got, he's like a man. He's shaving him. Yeah, kids got a mustache. It's crazy. Is there anything that's been really surprising for you about parenthood? I mean, I know they're.

I know they're really little still. I guess what I was surprised most by was just how many people in your life step up. And like how people say it takes a village. And I didn't really, you hear that, but I didn't really realize until we needed the help. And so many of our friends and family have stepped up and gotten on planes and showed up in the Air Force. Because two, at the same time, when you don't know what you're doing, is intense. So I guess I've just, it's deepened my appreciation. and my love for my support system.

Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Brian, we miss me so much. Yeah. All right, well, you're directing a movie. Yeah. You're badden it up.

Start that in May, I think. Oh, really? Yeah. All right. Where are you guys going to shoot it? Probably Rhode Island. Yeah. I'm probably going to have to watch for two weeks to prep,

and it's my first time directing. so it's the drama it's called Junction so it's going to be an intense but I love Indies it's going to be an intense for like a month and a half and then yeah I'll be editing all summer but I don't know I've been working

I just finished a really cool movie with Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy called You People what's coming out on Netflix casual yeah no good news very good stuff this is why we love him he's so just easy and cool

cool. Hey, well, I was chilling during COVID, so that came out of nowhere. I was like, okay, that's awesome. You deserve it. You deserve all of it. You're so talented. And so he can work with in such a consummate professional and so fun. And I'm just so glad for all the success that comes your way. And I want to find something else for all of us to work on together. Yes. I was just going to say it. Everything is real sparkly when we're together, guys. Just make sure you bring your guitar. You can leave it at my house, Brian. No one's going to have about it.

You got to go over and start leaving stuff in your house now. Just be like, hi, Jane, I'm just going to leave this. Maybe it'll be a bottle of whiskey. Yeah, but it'll just be a little bit of a baby. We miss you so much, too, hey, will you come on the regular podcast in season three when Jake and Peyton are in Savannah? So how's it work? You're watching that episode and talk about it?

Oh, yeah. It doesn't make you sit down. You can save your watch. Do it. Yeah. Done. It's so good to see you and talk with you, honestly. Like, I've missed your face, man.

I love all of you so much. Really, congrats on the success of this and your show, Sophia. I know you guys fall on it today. So that's so cool. It's so fun. It's my face. I love you. All right.

So we're going to see you soon then. It's going to be fantastic. All right, tell the family we said hi. All right. We're going to be able to want. We're good. Bye. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of. in two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love him so much. Is that the quietest I've ever been during an interview? I just sat like this. I think it was.

I think it was. Also, why is your lighting amazing? You're like in a basement. You find the best lighting no matter where you go. I was going to say that about yours. I feel like I look like I'm being interrogated by the police. I'm so mad. Guys, we ordered these cute neon trick lightning bolts.

And I was so excited to get off work in time to do this that I ran out of the van. And now sweet Doug who drives me to work has a lightning bolt in his van. It's supposed to be right here. I can't do it. There it goes. What's been cool is seen throughout the course of like 23 million downloads and all the fan interactions is seeing them to their drama queen's rooms and like put their crowns out and their lighting bolts out.

And it kind of made us a little bit like, you know, we had a little bit of envy. We were like, well, I want to pick me on lighting. You also are? I want to hear more of what the fans have to say because they've been sending it lot of questions and comments and I can't wait to hear. Oh, we have one already. Well, while we answer these, I'm going to make another drink. What item from set would each of us, oh, did we wish we took? Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What item from set? From this set, you know, Sophia and I have spoken at length about that red vintage couch that was in Karen's

cafe. It was a really good. It was a curved couch in the corner, front window. It's beautiful. Yeah, I wish we had that. I wish I had the cutout of the Toe the Wet Sprocket song. What? What? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Somebody told me this is a place where everything's better and everything's safe. That's from Toes the Watt's I didn't say my fans! What did you think it was from? I knew it was a song lyric, but I didn't think it was from that band. Are you serious?

Somebody told me this is the place where everything's better and everything's safe. walk on the ocean yeah it's called walk on the ocean I think do I not think they sang that because I heard did you cover it who covered it because I just felt like I just feel like that's our song all I wish I took that Hillary we have another question but tell us what you what would you have taken call it you know what I'm mad I didn't take in later seasons they got a really cool old black pickup truck for Julian for my husband's character She's also bougie, taking cars and shit.

I wouldn't have a lot of it. I mean, I wanted a little bit. You should have the comment, and I want that truck. I'm mad about it. Next question. Oh, Rebecca. Oh, this is sweet. If you had a yearbook for yourself right now,

what would your senior quote be? I mean, apparently it would be from a Toad the Wet Sprocket song. How long have we been saying that quote and writing that quote? had zero idea no idea no clue no guys okay quotes your book quotes um my senior quote is who i mean let it come to you okay so here's the deal i was kind of an asshole my senior year in high school because i was just ready to get out of virginia and go to new york and i had a little bit of a chip on my shoulder about certain things in my small town and i won the senior superlative most dramatic. And my quote in like this little senior like booklet that comes out was

if you thought I liked you in high school, I was only acting. And I cringe about that right now because it's so bitchy and like so unwarranted because I really love my hometown. And I really love all the kids I graduated with. And I'm like, why did I think? So what would your quote be now then? If this was your senior year? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's Simon Birch. I'm sorry. Oh, my God.

Of all the houses on the show, such as Brooks, Felix, Dan's, all the houses are big. Are those actual houses in Wilmington? And are they actually all that big? Well, Joy and I lived on the opposite side of the tracks. Haley and Brooke, or Haley and Peyton's house are actually right next door to each other. They're just across, they're like catty corn. from each other and we are actually over by new hanover high school which is another i want to say

it's another title one school and so i liked that we title one got chapter one why am i thinking chapter one i mean but yeah so your house was for sure real yeah yeah brook and felix's house were next door to each other and they were definitely in like a fancy part of town they were big homes and then where Dan's house was, was like the fancy, fancy, fancy, fancy, fancy. Oh, yeah. That was like houses and guest houses and, like, big. I was not accustomed to any, seeing anything like that. So, yeah.

This house was kind of small, though. Yeah, I mean, they were medium-sized. It wasn't like, it weren't like, we had, we had little pockets of every kind of sort of socioeconomic experience. The one thing I don't think we really ever showed, though, I don't think we ever had a family in an apartment, which feels weird because so many families live in apartments, but I guess maybe because Wilmington is such a house town.

Like the apartment started getting built there in the later years that we were filming. There weren't really even many apartment buildings there. And there were college kids living there. It was a college, yeah. I really like this next question. Smart. Oh, this is a good one. Well, when you guys had scenes on the phone, were you actually talking to someone, y'all?

Mike Leon. Mike Leon every time. That's a supervisor. I remember one call when I actually, I think we actually had James on the phone. Or it might have been, there was another one when we had Paul, I had Paul reading, we called Paul and he read someone else's lines for me because it was like an acting moment. and I just needed some real feedback. Yeah.

Yeah. I definitely feel most of the time they'll just have, yeah, the script supervisor read for you, which is super weird, especially because those people are usually your friends, but not the people on the show. And then we started to do things, like if we were at work at the same time, if you, you know, if Haley had to call Brooke, and I was like in the pair of makeup trailer,

I'd run in and do the off camera. We really started to do that for each other. It's hard. hard to act with like essentially like your friend's dad pretending to be Peyton like it's weird so we we tried but yeah sometimes you've got somebody being like well gee brook and you're like stop it i can't concentrate if you're doing this yeah it's tough yeah it's true all right grace says in what ways do you think sam is similar different than brook davis do you think they have any similar personality traits oh sam that's

So sweet. Yeah. You know, I think they're both really motivated women who aren't going to let anything in the world hold them back from achieving in a really, you know, competitive landscape and also in like a major way. I think, I think Sam is a little calmer, perhaps a little more professional than Brooke Davis. But there's, she's feisty in there. Like, you don't want to, you don't want to push her.

So, yeah, I don't know. Maybe they are similar. What did you guys see when you came to the set? Well, listen, Brooke Davis was always the boss. Always, always, always the boss. And we didn't really get to see her go into her 30s, you know, and get like closer to 40. We saw her in those years where we all are kind of just testing the waters.

And so a self-assured Brooke Davis is every bit as calm and powerful as Sam, 100%. Oh, I like that. I think so, too. Brooke was, she was always the boss, but not everyone always saw it. And she was trying, she was yelling and just kind of scrappy in a way of like trying to constantly prove it. And there was an elegance and a settledness to Sam. I have someone here to talk about this. This is what I want.

You guys, it's our fourth drama queen. Hello. Oh, my gosh, she's so beautiful. Dr. Lex truly has a new look. Oh, when does that start? And actually, well, her hair is part in the middle today, but usually we have the exact same part. I'm like, you too can get a Sophia blush and chocolate and some strawberry. You guys, we were really lucky when we came up to film Good Sam because your cast was so, so, so welcoming.

And, oh my God, my cheerleading photo, look at our cheerleading knees. Like all of us got right into formation. I love that photo so much. It was so beautiful. I was like, I was like, perfect same. What is about your high school experience? Who were you in high school, Sky? Oh my God, that's so funny that you asked because I was literally just downstairs talking to Jason Isaacs about my high school experience.

My crush. And I went to High School, I went to Lincoln Park High School. school in Chicago. And anyone who knows Chicago knows that at that time in Lincoln Park where Lincoln Park High School is, it was right in the district of the kids of Lincoln Park, very wealthy, very smart kid, majority white, and Cabrini Green, the roughest projects in Chicago. So that's where I really learned how to like code switch because my sister was very much attached to the Cabrini green crowd and I was very much attached to the very smart like Ivy League we're going to go we're going to shoot to the sky like very ambitious and outgoing and they were just more into the things that

I was into but I had to keep like kind of playing both sides which is quite interesting because that was something important to me that I wanted to do with Dr. Lex truly yeah you know because while I may be able to like be myself with my friends I still know like in America it's best to just switch over to mainstream and talk a certain type of way so that the patient can trust you with their life in your hands. So many people are preconditioned to like only trust what they know and like what they're comfortable with. And so if you come with any kind of energy that's not familiar to them, it's like, oh, this is bad. This is wrong. This is, you know, uncomfortable. And so I love that your character is shaking things up. I love that you have this military background where

you're like a beautiful homecoming queen cheerleader. That's also like, I'm really good with guns. Like, you know, yeah, Uncle Sam was my sugar daddy. He bought me all my books in school. And made sure I was taking to the military. What's that? How did you get in the military? Honestly, my dad was a doctor and my mom was a teacher.

And I would hear them talk about student debt all the time. And like I share the story with Sophia. like i thought sally may was a real like woman with uh like a very beautiful silver silver locks and she made america she made american pies every weekend just the sweetest sally may what like the sweetest woman and she just wouldn't make sure you got that education so she's going to give it a money but you're going to have to get back to sally and i had this that was a very i had a very vivid imagination as a kid so i thought sallie i was like honey sally may i don't want any relationship with samuelay she sounds sweet but i don't want her money and and i just kind of

grew up not wanting to have that umbrella of debt that just forces these young kids to go straight into the corporate world to pay off this debt. How do we know who we want to be at 17, 18 years on? I didn't decide to act until I was 29. Really? Wow. 21 girl. And I did not have a resume, a formal training. I had life experience and that's what I took in the room. How would you make that decision to separate myself you know i was sitting in a cubicle for two years in new york a cubicle that i worked so hard to get to you know i thought i was going to have my carry brashaw life and just like make this money and wear cool shoes and hang out of wall street models and like that was just going to be the life and it was the life but it was like totally opposite

ends of the spectrum it was like i was partying hard and then back in this just very sterile neutral cubicle world that was just sucking the life out of me. But what I noticed is they would always send me in to boardrooms to close the deals. Because I would go in there because this was a pharmaceutical marketing firm. Oh my God, this woman doing any kind of pitch.

But I would go in there and I'd be like, so we buy whatever drugs or what? And these are like a bunch of like birds that are like, oh my God, you know, so like I was just going there and make it fun and like, yeah. So they would always send me in. But I was like, I'm performing. Like, I'm getting you guys all.

And yeah, and then after that, everyone just kept saying to me, like, are you, you never thought about acting? Like, you never, you never. And I'm like, I mean, of course I've thought about it. I was in dance plays, no, like community. Yeah, I was always in dance theater since I was a kid in recitals. Like, I was never afraid of the stage and another version of me would show up. I knew the who am I? Yeah.

Based off of where I am and who I'm talking to, like the who am I with you ladies isn't the who am I with my. mom or the who am I if a cop pulls me over or the who am I in the courtroom or at the club right so I learned that very early on on how can it serve for me because at the age of 17 I've had to figure everything out in my life because while I may have said my dad's a doctor mom's teacher she hit the fan when I was 12 so like I had to really learn how to figure out okay how can I how can I not fall into the hole and the trap of being somebody's baby mama doing nails in Chicago, which was like what I was surrounded by. So when I went to the military, that's where it really helped

because it taught me how to process and utilize fear. And then the corporate world taught me how to market. So I was able to market myself. I didn't have an agent when I got, go Sam. I haven't had an agent in seven years. What? When people say you, she goes, I do. I do.

Yeah, I messaged. I saw the name of the host. So impressive. It's just amazing. We're getting ready to wrap so we can send people to watch. I mean, we can talk forever, but I want to know when you were growing up, who were the drama queens that you looked up to? Who were your drama queen here? Yes, rapid fire.

Let's go. I want to know. Oh, my God. Lisa Turtle on Save by the Bell. Yes. And Shannon Doherty on 902 and O. That was my jam. I was a density to those.

And I record every episode in tapes. And then my friends and the neighbor who would come over and they would rent episodes. and I had it numbered from season and I was like season seven and I were rented out like blockbuster. I love that you made it. I showed with. I had a library and it was business and I was making money and often. I went to one up and save for you. Amazing. You guys can go. I everybody out there, you guys can come. Let's come watch these amazing women as these incredible doctors. Come watch. You are so proud of you guys. It was so special. We loved working with you, Sky. And we're going to party in New York.

Oh, yeah. You coming to be with the two of us was so cool. And I remember when you left, she was like, that's what we're doing. Like, you're building these families. And I'm so excited for everyone. Two minutes, guys. To Good Sam, episode eight of season one with these two gorgeous ladies and us. And my cast that's downstairs waiting for us.

Okay, listen, the cast was so, so cool. Sophia knew what a huge crush I had on Jason Isaac. I geeked out. You can go run real real quick. He already knows, Sky. I kicked out so hard. They took a picture and said to your husband. It was cute.

What a cool guy. No, honestly, please give all of them great big, huge hugs for us because it was so nice to be welcomed into your family. And we're so excited to, you know, send all our Drama Queen's fans over to hang out on the medical set of good Sam. You guys are saving lives, change in the world. I can't wait for you all to see the episode. I think we have, who did this little treat? come from which one of you took this filmed it i don't remember did it you filmed it

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I don't know. I'm gonna cry. I know I normally jump in every so often to make pep talks in the morning to thank you guys for being the most stellar crew and like most tremendous background players that, you know, I get to go brag about outside of here. I know I've never cried when I've done one of these before, but the reason I'm so emotional is that my two best friends came and played with us this week. And these girls and I grew up together. and I grew up together. We started on our first show when we were 21. We literally have been to Hellen back. They are my family. You guys are our new family and you welcome them with open

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