Drama Queens - Drama Queens meet The Ravens

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

From a One Tree Hill convention to a public call-out heard across the OTH universe, the Drama Queens welcome Simon Jackson-Turner and Dom Garcia from The Ravens Podcast to the show. In this special pod swap episode, Simon and Dom—loyal fans of the series— open up about their deep connection to the show - sharing the storylines that made them want to yell at the TV, the characters they connect with most, and the huge prediction from the series Dom guessed right! Plus, the Drama Queens are answering their live fan questions. Want to hear more questions for the Drama Queens? Head over to The Ravens – A One Tree Hill Podcast feed to catch Part 2!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, friends. Hi, guys. Hello. Hello, hello. So we have a special episode today. We are joined by a couple of friends of ours from across the pond. The hosts of the Fantastic The Ravens podcast, none other than Simon and Dom. Gentlemen, welcome to Drama Queens.

Thank you. Thank you for having us. It's incredibly surreal. Right, Dom. Absolutely. This is that moment where we go, who's going to speak first? Which one of us does it? I was so honored to be here. Thank you so much.

Well, clearly what's happening on our end is we're all excited and we're all talking at the same time. So it's good. You're reminding us to just take a deep breath and go sleep. Well, I would love to start by just asking, when did you guys start your Ravens podcast? And what was the moment where you were like, let's do this? And then what was the response? And the fact that you've, I mean, clearly it was good enough that it's kept going for, you're in your eighths. We're in season eight now, is that right? For you guys.

So, yeah, what was the impetus for all of this? Well, Dom is being held against his will. Essentially, it's kind of the flow of it. So we started this five years ago, and so it's been a long time. It was about a year or so before you guys started. And I watched the show when I was 23, and I'm one of those people that will say proudly, that it really had a positive impact on me. I watched it at a certain time where I was a bit,

I'd say lost in my career. Like I was living with my girlfriend, who's now my wife, Tiffany. And I really didn't like my job. And so at night, you know when you don't like what you're doing for a living, you really try to maximize what you're doing outside of work because you're dreading going there.

I used to stay up really late to like one, two in the morning, like just watching you know TV and things and I just finished the OC and on the Amazon recommendation list came up one tree hill and I watched it and I was I was just hooked into it but I think subconsciously hooked by the theme of you know what's the version of you that you want to be

lately as Gavin de Grore might say and so from that it kind of sent me on this on this road of like changing career learning to play basketball, getting involved in, I became an SCN teacher, like a neurodiverse teacher, and volunteering with the Special Olympics, ended up coaching basketball at national level and then at an international level, one, Great Britain won, sounds braggy, but I'm trying to show what I'm trying to do. Yeah.

We, so I ended up coaching Great Britain and we won back-to-back world championships. it was like a whole thing and then we created a local basketball team called The Ravens and it all just kind of came into it and was very like this like I sort of put it to like my wife like my parents uh and one tree hill it kind of did a lot for me and then within that when I was rewatching for like the fifth time in my early 30s when I finished I was like I don't know what to do with this energy now and Dom and I had been started podcasting movies and Dom had never seen it

and so we thought it would be interesting to see the perspective of a first time watcher of a mildly disgruntled man in his like British man in his early 30s watching an American TV drama and so every week we watched together on Zoom with Ravens

from around the worlds we have people in Australia in Canada America Norway and we're watching Dom react for the first time and then Dom's making predictions as we go along. I'd be other than if you want to speak to that, Don. No, you've covered it always. Dom, you will have to speak at some point.

At some point, I've got to say something. But yeah, Simon literally five years ago, in the middle of us, kind of, we were friends since we were five, so we've been friends for a long time. But we have a gap in our history. We went to different, like, high schools, different universities and stuff and kind of lost kind of touch and connection. And then through the podcast, Simon messaged me one day and say, hey, I'd like to, you know, do a podcast with you. And I was like, we haven't really hung out or done anything for a long time.

This is, it's a bit like random to just jump up into doing a podcast. And then we picked the first film we podcasted, it was Goodfellas, which is the longest film ever. And we did the longest podcast ever. It was about seven hours long. It was just, it was horrendous. Honestly, it was so bad. But we loved it. And then we just kept going.

And then we get. you know, a few months in and down the line. And he says, I really love this show. Have you ever seen it? I've never, never seen it. I've heard of it. Of course, never seen it. It was like, okay, well, let's, let's do it.

Let's do it episode by episode together, go through it. And just if no one listens, it doesn't matter because, you know, at least I'm talking to my friend and, you know, sharing my love for this show. It's like, okay, great. Let's give it a go. That's the best way to start any kind of artistic ventures. Like, you know what? If nobody sees it, then whatever.

At least we're having fun. Absolutely. I've become a bit of a yes man when it comes to this podcast because it's like Simon's like I want to do this and like yeah okay fine it's good it's taking us to great places so yeah and the beautiful thing about it is that it's kind of as much as you know the podcast has been great and the show has been great and this is kind of cliche to say but it's true we became best friends again so we were best friends as children and then we've become best friends again and we're now in like our late 30s and to have a friend like that

at this time in life is actually a bit rare like we kind of didn't really have that anymore and have you know lives and you know wives and children that kind of things and so it's like actually it's been a beautiful thing to be like for this like two hours once a week we're going to sit down and talk nonsense about a show that I love that now Dom does love and it has kind of just given us these crazy opportunities and it's very surreal and we're incredibly grateful to be here and be invited here. It really means a lot to us. And to our, we have like a core cult of listeners.

And they really rallied behind this as well. So thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Yeah. For sure. And I mean, it's also a little peek behind the curtain is we got to meet you guys recently. So the last Friends with Benefits event that we did in Wilmington, you guys attended. So it was really cool that we got to meet.

So then when this came up, it was like, all things. Three of us sort of unanimously when our producer Hannah pitched it were like, oh, they were lovely in Wilmington. Absolutely. Let's do it. So I think we're just as thrilled as you guys and so happy for the success. But I love that you guys hadn't hung out in like a decade and you were just like, do you want to do a pod? That would be like calling someone you haven't seen in a decade and being like, hey, do you want to go on a really long road trip? Should we maybe get lunch first? Maybe. Let's catch up in front of everyone. You know what's really cool, though, hearing your story about it is in a really interesting way,

I feel like the way we came to the podcast was steps of experiences like that, you know? Yeah, for sure. It's like when we all left Wilmington, obviously it was all the things, really. It was sad, you know, you kind of can't wait to get going, almost like when you are going to graduate high school or college. And then when the end is approaching, you're like, I don't want to leave. Just kidding. Just kidding. This was a terrible idea. So, you know, we went through the excitement of this sort of early career freedom and also the absolute heartbreak of like looking at each other at work and bursting into tears every day. And then, you know, as you do, everyone leaves the town and people go home. People get married. People move. You know, people go on to other jobs.

It was actually the conventions that kind of gave us a chance to start dipping back into the world. And I remember because I was working in Chicago at the time when they really got going. And I could never go. And I was like, well, this is exactly that thing. Like your TV job keeps you from going and doing something else, including hanging out with your friends from your first TV job. I was like so bummed. And I think maybe it was France. Was that the first one we got to do, Joy?

Maybe. those are they're all a blur so i mean i don't i couldn't say when each one started but i know we were in france together at some point yeah i think that was the first one i'd gotten to go to and i i like took a red eye from work i remember just being like oh my god everybody's here everybody's here and i really think it was the way you know people like you simon and and dom now you welcome to the club like we had such great viewers who wanted to go home with us. And it's why, you know, us girls started the pod in the pandemic.

And it's why we were so excited to get Rob to join us as of season seven. Like, you know, Hillary was like, wait, I don't have any actual memories. So this is stupid. Rob was like, I have all of them, you know. And I don't know. I just think about how there is something about this show that it gives you these really weird opportunities to gather. whether you were on the show as we were or you were a fan of the show like you guys.

Yeah. It's so cool that Montreal has given us all this shared experience. Yeah, what is the, what have the conventions been like for you? Was that your first one that you, I feel like it was the first one you've been to in the States. Had you gone to any of them in Paris before either?

No, actually the first one we, that was the first one we've been to, like, ever. Ever. What was that like for you? We are going to Paris as well, so we'll see you in Paris, hopefully. Okay, great. In October?

Yeah. We, we've kind of learned, and this was a trick that we've only learned just recently, that if you just put a video out on Instagram and just ask for what you want, sometimes Sophia Bush might see it and then you're here. Other times, like, you'll get a media pass to, you know, a one tree hill event in Paris. Like, I really want to implore everyone. Just ask the internet for things. You might.

these are those exact moments where Dom just says yes okay that's fine let's do that sometimes it works it was so fun for us having just met you though like when I saw you guys when I saw your message it was kismet because I think I did I text a screenshot of it in our group was it a video you did you text a screenshot and then I saw it in my inbox Bob I don't know if you checked yours but and then I think our producer must have seen hers you guys just did like a blast and we all kind of saw it around the same moment. It was amazing because Hannah was like, wait, I just spoke to them and I was going to talk to you guys about it on our Zoom this week. So it was like everybody for some reason in the same day got the little like

internet pixie dust and we were like, okay, this feels really fun. It was kind of, we kind of got some confidence from that event a little bit. I mean, Joy actually to speak to you specifically to say thank you you probably won't remember this but we said to you you know lovely to meet you

all of you were lovely but you specifically you actually got up came around and sort of like hugged us to say thank you for like supporting the show and everything apart from the fact that I then

had to tell Dom my knees a week I'm not sure I can stand right now telling him up for some time I do remember hugging you guys I thought that was just so special that you came over

and that you've been investing so much of your time into something that we invested so much of our time into. You know, it's, and it's not just watching. Like, you're actually taking the time to walk through it and talk about it and share with other people. Yeah, I was so happy to meet you guys. I'm sorry, I didn't intend to cut you off.

I just got excited. You can keep going. Well, just the whole experience, like meeting all three of you and meeting the rest of the cast and everyone was it kind of just gave us this sense of life of, oh, actually, because we met a lot of people, as well like a lot of our listeners were there and we did really special things like we after the event we got pizza together and went to work to the river court and had like pizza at sunset and it was all it was all so meaningful it was like actually let's just shoot for the stars

with some of this stuff and just go and just go for it I don't think we ever expected like this and this really is like just beyond any kind of expectation what Wilmington was like was like the whole experience and obviously getting to meet the three of you but um just being kind of in a huge group of people that love this show and and it's global and from someone who's i guess i feel still feel a little bit outside looking in because of i haven't finished season nine and you know we're working our way to it and i've only this is my first time watching and so not really understanding the the following that this show has and and then just seeing it the generosity that comes from it as well. So all of our, we call them our ravens, but, you know, our listeners and

our cult, as Simon said, we, they're so generous and so kind. And, you know, one of them, one of our listeners, shout out to Crystal, sorry, she, um, she won the opportunity to meet Barry Corby. And, and like, Whitey was like my favourite character in the beginning, right? Because, you know, as Simon said, disgruntled, you know, and what's better than that? And, So she took me as her plus one to go and meet him. And I was like, well, this is amazing. So kind. And a couple of others, some of a great experiences as well.

So just the kindness that comes from it. And then you see the people that we've encountered and the things that we've encountered and the things that they do for this show is amazing. I would include yourselves in that because you are creating another community for the fans of the show. Like you're creating a place for them to go and make new friends and share experience. So you are now a part of that, of the tapestry of One Tree Hill, you know, and you are contributing to it as opposed to just sort of, you know, enjoying it. And I'm so glad that the podcast has done so well and you have the following because you deserve it. You guys are doing great.

I listened to a couple episodes and I really liked it. And I think I just never thought of until this moment is the fans on One Tree Hill are incredible. Like when I joined the show, I had no idea what I was in store for. And also since then, I have never experienced anything like what we had with our fans. But one thing I hadn't thought of until just right now is that it's because of the fans that I have so many of the relationships with people from One Tree Hill. Because if it weren't for the fans, there wouldn't be conventions. And if there weren't conventions, I don't think I would have ever, I should say, that the odds are very low. I would have reconnected with as many of the members of the cast that I have.

I'll speak for myself. Like I was for largely, I was kind of just like my head was down. I was getting through that time. So I wasn't really available for relationships. And I think a lot of people kind of had their own stuff going on or were just sort of ready to wrap it up or whatever it was. And it's because of the conventions that we were able to all come back sort of as adults and be like, hey, oh my gosh, hi friend.

And like these friendships came out of it. But none of that would have happened. Were it not for the fans wanting conventions and attending conventions. So just a new gratitude swell to say thank you to all of the fans for allowing us to have this opportunity. Yeah, absolutely. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel, obviously,

like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sageburn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts

well i want to get into like storyline stuff i'm so curious if you guys like i just want to know what you have been. Dom, especially you, you know, starting from scratch. And I want to know, like, what storyline has just taken you totally by surprise the most? What do you feel like really made you stand up and yell at the TV or, like, gasp? You have any memories of this? It's got to be, well, pretty much for like the first couple of seasons, I was convinced that Keith was Lucas's real father. Oh, so many of us. work. Yeah.

I was like, this has got to come out. This is going to happen. Karen's going to be like, oh, do you remember that night? You know, it's your, you know, he's yours. And I was so, so disappointing when that didn't happen. But I think that the Dan shooting Keith story is just, you know. What? No, I'm just, I still haven't seen seasons one through five, actually, though.

But I do, I do know that plot point. Yeah. That's the, that's the, like, the biggest one. And then, you know, the whole Jimmy had. storyline as well. That's the one that I think really, really stands out and makes you go, what is happening here? Yeah. Was that one of the things that also made you, you know, you just said that you didn't, at first you were like, I don't really understand all of this hubbub around this show. What's, what is the whole big deal about it? And as you started to watch, like, I mean,

I know for us, I think that was one of the turning point episodes where we all kind of knew we were doing something more meaningful than just like pop TV. And so was that one of the turning points for you or was there something else that made you kind of connect in a way that was like, oh, this is actually something I want to invest more of my time and see it through? I think pretty much all along, like a lot of the way, like I've always considered the performances in the show, so from yourselves to be like excellent, you know. I mean, there's always been a draw to that.

I mean, you're all exceptional cryers. You just cry so well. It just happens. It's like you tap on, go, crying. And it's unbelievable. So you really drawn into that. And then those stories like,

it just enhances the storyline. Because there are some episodes, let's say in the later seasons where what's written on the page might not necessarily be, you know, the best dialogue, but actually you're making it work.

And you know, and you've got the feeling in the room. You've got that sense of connection. And a lot of people grow up Or it's like when they watch it, they're growing with the show. So they're watching it at a particular age, growing with the characters, and then get into a certain point. Then there's me kind of, as Simon says, miserable, old man.

Watching it at a certain stage of life going, oh, actually, these performances are fantastic. The storylines are actually really good, and I'm kind of invested now. So I think it happened fairly early, to be fair. It didn't take me long to kind of go, Okay, I'm in now. When I first started watching the show, one of the very first things that struck me was the music.

But is that the same? Because I imagine American music, especially pop music, is rather ubiquitous. So was that something that stood out to you? So I love music. Music's like my thing. But there's a lot of music in the show that I've not heard before. So it's like a discovering of the music. And that's one thing that our listeners bring up all the time is the music.

The music is so important. And even people I work with the Love One Tree Hill, like, oh, the music's great. And I'm like, yeah, but we tend, what, what's, maybe something that we need to revisit is going back over the music because we, we don't dig into it probably as much as we should. But we do, we have a judgment at the end of, we do our judgments at the end of each episode, we give it a rating. And one of our judgments is a favorite song of the episode. So we pick, we do pick one. And the ones that really stand out. And the thing is that they're all connected and into.

linked it feels like with the storyline or at least there's you know you've got those tender moments emotional moments whatever it might be the fun moments and it all has an accompanying song um yeah which works so well and you know we we do enjoy it and we like it we probably don't dig into it enough but yeah i love love the music i love that especially because you're coming into it you know at a later stage so it's not like those songs have just been released or they're just on the radio I like that for a new viewer, they feel like they are still very anchored in what's happening on screen. And it makes me think of something you guys spoke to Paul about a while back when you had him on your show. Because Simon, you pointed something out that I loved.

You talked about how, as a repeat viewer, when you first started watching, you were in your early 20s. And even though we were playing teenagers, we were in our early 20s. And so you related to our characters so much and now cut to where you both are. in your lives with, you know, your partners and your kids and the things that, well, you know, kid eventually for you, Dom, but like the sort of stage you're in, you can relate more to the parents as well and what they're going through and see things from their perspectives. And it's cool to hear about your journey there. But I guess, Dom, I wonder, knowing that that's Simon's experience, are you simultaneously able to identify with,

us as kids and sort of your teenage self or are you watching all of this being like can you imagine if we had been that insane in high school what is it for you that's a great great question i think and simon you too jump in anytime you have something here of course all the all the jimmy well the keying back um i i think there's there's certain element yeah i think there's certain elements of like the high school days where I think I relate to that I relate to being the quiet one that just sort of be in the corner I was in you know with a small group of friends and I'm having that kind of small group of friends and that kind of collective unit and we were you know we'd all do you know different things together and whatever it might be and then you've got you know you've

kind of got your nathens of the world that you know okay he's a bit much for me and I mean we're probably not going to be friends but you never know one day we could be and yeah so I did I there there was definite like oh wow yeah okay i can i can really relate to that and i think in a lot of our episodes as well we do kind of um sorry to say but simon especially he talks about a lot of his experiences and and stuff and how it kind of connects and how he like felt at a specific time of life and stuff and that's for me too and you know um we jump around back and forth we definitely connect with the older characters first so i did first i was like keeps my guy And then I was like, okay, no, I know, you know, I know what it's like to be, you know, Haley.

We also like, we, so we did, we did, we did, we, part of our podcast is that we have shared a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff, like about what things that we did when we were teenagers and things, even to a point that we moved most of our episodes over onto Patreon, specifically kind of as we were coming to the end of it was like, you know, this is nice to share these things and to have these things out there. But also, you know, we also are private, have private lives and private people. And it's actually, we only really want those things there for people that are really invested in what we're doing, you know, because it feels very private. And I think it wasn't until a bit later into the podcast. It was actually there was a sense of vulnerability there to an extent of like kind of put our lives out here a little bit. So let's kind of maybe keep some of that for the people that are really into it. But yeah, we kind of definitely easier to relate to the older characters now.

But it's also clever with the time jump that your characters kind of catch up, you know, to I assume closer to your real ages in real life. But we've always said from the beginning that we didn't really see the characters as high schoolers. We kind of saw them as like young adults or maybe more like in college, even though we know they are in high school but because some of the storylines are so kind of crazy that it kind of may be correlated more to people that are a bit older

and then when your characters are in there the early 20s and they are like some of the most successful people in the world we're like maybe that's pretend they're in their 30s just so at least to our selfishness feels a bit better maybe. Totally. Totally. We felt the same.

Oh yeah, we've talked about that for sure. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford, Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn

Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts we have so many questions for you as well i don't want people to think we've come on here selfishly but because you're coming on our podcast we're kind of like reserving them so i don't want you to feel like we're doing a not at all no we love you're providing us with the ability to hear from fans from people who are doing exactly

exactly what, like, we're doing our podcast for you guys, so for people whose voice you represent. So it's actually really, really interesting to hear what you have to say. Yeah. And to that point, it's also nice to really be able to sit in it because as cool as the conventions are, they move so fast. You know, you're kind of in the swirl and the days are long, but so many of our interactions don't get to be lengthy. so you know it's fun to be able to actually sit back and have a nice chat can i also just say the fact that you've listened to any of our podcast episodes one frightens me but also it's just like

that's such an overwhelming thing to hear like i almost feel like our podcast is finished now like we've got how do you go on any further this you have to we need so you must have so many prediction yeah dom like what are your predictions you there's so much coming in season nine do you have any uh inklings or trying to think so we we've we've we've just started season so we've done two episodes of season nine oh my okay you're ahead of us you are you're ahead of us Tyler hilton has come back he says hello by the way thank god sweet Tyler hilton isn't he the best he was we just met him in london last week he was in a concert we and he said he said specifically about you robin you're one of his best friends

which was he said to say yeah he spoke so highly of all of you so yeah I try you're going to have to help me what crazy productions have I made this season well your predictions at the moment are mainly

there's a lot of confusion because it opened that season nine opens with like so much with all the flashes of what's the calm so like Dan has a gun and Chris Keller's with Dan

and smashing up what looks like a restaurant a cafe so I'm like some sort of cafe wars there between karen's and wherever that place was. My rage day? Yeah. Perfect. You know what you would probably want to hear as well? Some of the predictions that Don got right from the beginning.

That was going to be my question. It drove people crazy. Like we had people, and the thing is people would always write it to me. I kind of have to be the caretaker of like the Instagrams that can't be spoiled. And some of it is like people were accusing him of what. watching along, which he would never do, but by watching a head throw. But no, it's so good. So he, you predicted that it was Abby Brown that was like tormenting Dan after. Whoa, that's a hard one to get. Wow. So hard. You're a sleuth. Wow. What is the other one? It's a useless skill.

Wait, but what gave you the, what gave you the inkling? There was something about that, that inner knowledge. So a lot of the time, I was thinking that Dan's kind of doing this to himself. So he's writing these things on the wall. He's kind of lost it. He doesn't remember he's doing it. And then I was like, unless there was someone there, but the only person that could have feasibly been there,

and then I'd set up his name would be someone like Abby or something like that. And then it would just be like, oh, okay. And then there's just silence. So I never know if I'm right or wrong until I get there. And Simon is famous for saying, we'll see. And then that's it. And then, you know, I'd never know. so

wait and Simon how do you keep a straight face when he either gets it very right or very wrong

yeah are you just constantly trying to be unknowable I guess but I think he he is pretty good

at respecting the boundaries I'd say because he doesn't I'm speaking four years if you're not here but

I from you don't like spoiling it for yourself but you want to you want the thrill of it. I like to be right. Don't we are?

Dom has a thing when watching as well where the Ravens called it turtling, which will you show turtling, Dom? Which is like, that's hiding if someone's in a car and he's like, oh, they're going to crash, or this is going to happen, or this is going to happen.

I'm trying to think of the other ones you got right. I thought that was going to happen. And in episode two of season nine, Brooks driving around with the babies in the back, And the whole time, she's like, you know, driving at three in the morning and I'm really tired. And it's like, it's kind of okay. I listen to the radio and I see people having fun and things like. And the whole time I'm thinking she's just on that road where Peyton's had a car crash and this person's had a car crash.

Everyone's had a car crash. Yeah. It's a car crash road. Isn't that one of the weirdest things when you're watching and you're every time the camera cuts, you're like, is it now? Is it now? Yeah. It's so stressful. What excites you more when?

And he is very right or very wrong with a prediction. That's a great question. I like, I prefer it when he's right, actually, because I feel like people get more of a kick out of that. And people, like I, I'm his fan, you know, I want him to get it right, really. So I'm like happy for him. But he did get some great, in our pilot episode, he said something like, couldn't have known this. But he was like, you know, Dan, he kind of. of acts like he's the mayor. Imagine one day

he'd be mayor. I was like, does Dan become mayor? Oh, yes. Shut. You really should go watch the rest of it. No, he doesn't. Karen and Dan run against each other for mayor.

Well, of course, Dan wins, though, because he's the shadiest human being of all time. But, oh, my God. Guys, this is exactly what happened in season seven. When there was that camping episode where Julian goes with the rest of the crew. And there's like a reference to the fact that Brooke and Nathan made a sex tape. And I was like, what? I came back on our pod and was like, what the hell? What show is this? Yeah. And I said, you know what, Rob? That was exactly my reaction when I read the script. I think we all were like, oh, boy. Oh, right. Okay. I would like to know what predictions you made that you were wrong about.

that you think you should have been right about. Well, Keith being Lucas' dad was number one on my list. I will never ever let that go. In fact, I would rewrite the show to make that a true, you know, possibility. So good. And Simon, I know you're not, you know, watching it for the first time, so you wouldn't be making predictions. But if there was a storyline that you felt like you wanted to see it go a different way,

I would love to hear that as well. I love that answer too. Like, I'd never considered that. And Dom said that from pretty much the beginning. And I was like, it would make sense. It would do a great twist. And I would have loved that too. But yeah, what else have you?

There's another, what's the other big one that you've had for a long time? Oh, one of the biggest ones was about, he was certain that Brooke would have children. Like, wasn't you. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, they couldn't do that to the character. They just couldn't. I was like, if they don't let Brooke have children, And this is absolutely travesty.

And again, I would go back and rewrite it and, you know, put it right because I think, you know. That right there, penance for the sex tape for the writers. They really need to earn their good graces. And I appreciate your confidence. Can I ask, so, Robert, as you haven't seen the earliest seasons, does that potentially give drama queens a more lease of life afterwards? You could be watching, you could be making somewhat prediction. that we've been spoiling you.

He could join us and we could do it with him. Guys, let's take this combo offline. Let's take that off line. It's so good. I mean, never say never. I mean, I clearly have a lot to watch because every time I hear, we just watched like 818, I think,

the episode where Haley gives birth and it is jam-packed with flashbacks. And of course, I had seen none of them with the exception of, like, Quinn's flashback because it was four episodes prior. But it just sort of hit home I was like, I, I just know so little about the show, and I liked all the flashbacks. So yeah.

Yeah. Maybe. Hey. I would really want, though, and I know it got harder, obviously, as lockdown ended and, you know, we had to tend to our full-time jobs as well. But in the beginning, we would, because we were obviously, you know, locked in our homes, we would sit on Zoom and watch the episode together and then do the podcast. And now so often...

Oh, we don't do that anymore. Because everybody's got, you know, kids and things and is in different time zones and someone's always on a plane. We usually now will watch it on our own time and then guarantee we're all on the Zoom together. And I miss watching some of the reaction videos that, like, our producers, where they wouldn't even all go online, but they would cut something. And exactly what you're talking about, just full turtle mode, everyone would get in their sweaters. We would start watching between our fingers just like, oh, God, it's coming. And it's so

funny. And I would love to see Rob because you weren't there at all. Like some of it we forgot about, but, you know, we were there. I would love to see you watch the first six seasons having not a clue what's coming. That would be fun. Oh, yeah. It's so funny. Actually, when I first listened to the first episode of your guys' podcast I listened to and you laid out the premise, I was like, oh my god this is so funny so after so tyler and i we've known each other but when we did the we were both guests on the drama queen's live tour right and that was where like we our relationship really really started and after that like i joked on stage like we should do a drama kings where we recap your recaps you know but then we were actually talking about like is is it should we

actually do something and one of my pitches to tyler was we should just be two middle-aged dudes watching a teenage soap opera and getting emotionally invested in it. So when I heard your pitch, your premise, I was like, oh, it's, it was our idea, but even better, because one of them has seen it. So you sort of get both sides of it. Yeah. It's great. Well, we would love to hear your version.

We'd love to hear your version. So please do do that. I never say never. It would be great for the drama queen. I don't know what you guys are planning to do, but you should just keep going forever. I mean, I don't know if you know about the other. You might be like, no, thank you. I don't know if you know about that.

Like a lot of the other, like the office ladies, pod meets world, et cetera, I'd sort of doing like round two because, like part for me and for Dom is, okay, I'm sorry for speaking for you, is like we rewatch a lot of shows that we love. But it's like it hits you, like we've been saying differently at different periods of your life and you relate to things in different ways. And so, yeah, I think people would continue to always love to hear what you have to say about it. totally listen if i i have my way we will continue doing this for years and years to come so i'm just throwing every idea i have in the book that's so often joy because like i am just trying to

keep this friend train rolling guys so don't worry i'm right there with you such a highlight in in my week i just i hate to see it go you know yeah figure something out i know you're giving us wonderful wonderful ideas and it and it is a really great observation the way that things hit you differently. I mean, the episode that we just watched, like, watching those flashbacks and watching, you know, Brooke and Julian trying to navigate whether or not they're going to be able to be parents. It was heavy then, but I didn't know very many parents. I mean, you know, Joy, it was you, Hillary, and then, like, a few years later, my next closest girlfriend had a kid. But like at that point, we basically knew no one with

kids. And it is so crazy, even remembering the people I spoke to about their experiences and, you know, the journeys people were having being in this stage of my life where I know everyone who's built families in every way imaginable and how hard people have suffered for it and how difficult it can be and all of the things. Like, it sort of smacks me emotionally from completely the other direction now. And I think that's probably why it's so special for us when we do have those interactions with all of you guys, when we meet up, whether it's in Wilmington or Paris or wherever,

because at every single stage with all the fans over this last decade of doing these conventions, their stories change, but the stories keep relating to the show. Because at some point or another, we all relate to one character or one moment. And it is pretty crazy how it stays evergreen like that. It's not something I could have imagined at 21, but I think it's like just the coolest thing that we all get to share this. Guys, hear me out, what if round two of drama queens is us recapping the Ravens podcast. That's great. Just saying.

I'm okay with it. Simon, you just turned so red. There's so much about, you know, we, you know, yes, yes, that would be wonderful. Give me time to edit it. Give me like a bit of time to edit it down to like a minute or two an episode. We could do a whole season breaking down your 15-hour episode of the Goodfellas movie. So there's plenty of content. there for us.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of weird, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn SageBurn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So are you guys going to the convention in Paris? Who's doing that? Who's Rob? No, I mean, what company is it, Rob?

So people can go get their tickets. Is it union? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it is union. Okay. Are you guys going? Yes, yes, we are. We're very fortunate to, this is the first time we're going to have, like,

press passes to something that makes us go. Oh, my goodness. So fancy. What are you guys? I'll go on, self. I just want to know what you're going to, how are you going to use those to your advantage? Like, I know for a fact, Rob and I would be figuring out where the snacks were. You know, like, ooh, if the press can get back in that door, what's, what's back there that I can eat?

Like, what's the thing you're the most excited to use that fancy little badge for? What a great question. I hadn't even considered snacks. It's all about capturing you all and the other actors that will be there. And any opportunity we can, just to have a little interview, a couple of questions, not take up too much of your time, you know, and maybe take some advantage of that if we can. Well, snacks and parking, I think, you'll also find to be. shorter bathroom lines at times right that's right oh he's got a microphone already we have these like

we have these mics that we've got for uh for interviewing tyler and so we're now hoping that now that we're all best friends that obviously you know we can we make we can get if you guys i know some of you are there all of you are there maybe i don't but we we can get interviews with you or you know some of the other cast that um yeah we're just happy to be there like we're just excited to be there. That's awesome. Well, it's going to be great to see you. And this time, Joy won't be the only one, handing out hugs.

I'm going to be bringing you in for the real thing. Gentlemen, you probably know this, but we wrap up each episode with a listener question and spin a wheel. But since this is a special occasion, we thought we'd switch it up and let you guys ask one of your listener questions. Sound good? That sounds amazing. Our first ever live listener question?

I can't believe it's the first ever. we've been doing it so long we have never done that yet yay you're the first so uh one tree hill gave us some truly legendary kind of psycho characters so we've had derrick and annie carrie katy you know so um obviously joins if you've seen a few more than maybe what it has um but which one kind of stands out we can call it a favorite as opposed you can have a favorite Psycho. Which one stands out is a favorite and why? Favorite Psycho? Can I jump in here? Because I have one just that just popped into my head that I feel passionate about. Yes. It's the dog that's walking loose in the hospital that eats a heart. I'm sorry, psychopath. What? Yeah, it's pretty

creepy. Like what are they feeding that dog that its first instinct was to pick up the heart? Also, Boundary's heart? I mean, Boundary's dog. You don't just go eating someone's organ. Dick move. Gross. I mean, like, I want to say Dan Scott because, but it's just so obvious. I'm actually going to narrow it down because Dan is, he's not a token villain. He's something so much bigger to our show.

So if I'm going to pick like one of the sort of token villains, I guess, I would say Nanny Carey, mostly because I got to work so closely with Tori and she was so full. fun and lovely to work with. And her character was so delicious. And she had such a great time with it. And we were running through cornfields. And it was just so bizarre. So I'm going to go with Nanny Carey. Amazing. Yeah. It's funny because I was also going to say, Dan feels like the real kingpin of the villains. But what he really is is the foil. Like he's bigger than just a villain. Yeah. Because he's so much more human. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's interesting because as a viewer, I would say Nanny Carey, because I like the length of the arc. I like the surprise of when she comes back. I love the homage

to Kathy Bates. You know, the whole thing is so well done. I would say that my favorite villain I ever fought would have to be psychoderic because in the midst of a highly coordinated stunt fight to yell eighth grade cheer camp it was it was just the most camp thing i've ever done on camera and i love it i got to watch this at this i gotta go back and watch you know i need to see that for that alone i have to go back to film you watching it yeah yeah it's a it's a real chef's kiss yeah i'm such a team player so i was like i got to sell this okay and it turned into one of my favorite things I ever got to say on the show. So good. Should we spin a wheel? Yes. And also, before we do, I just want to say, if you want to hear more of these fine gentlemen

asking us questions on the spot, hop over to their podcast, The Ravens, and give it a listen because we're doing a little two-part or half on our podcast, half on theirs. So give it a listen. Thank you so much. Most likely to binge watch an entire season of a show in one day Simon That's him, it's dumb He's gifted How many seasons of what is the thing you're watching now

I just finished watching Blue Bloods Which is 14 seasons And I started watching it when we got back from Wilmington And then you have blitzed through it Whoa And he has a full-time job Lots of hobbies This is a commitment.

It's a piece is what it is. Wow. Impressive. How about through of the One Tree Hill cast? What do you guys think? The characters are cast. Let's do them both. Okay.

Okay. I mean, I hate saying mouth because what you said last week because he has time right now. I was just going to say mouth. Yeah, for the same reason. He's got that kind of time on his hands. He doesn't always. It just is right now in this season in his life. I could see Clay just posting up and watching an entire season of a show in a day.

Yeah, for sure. He's got a stressful job. There's been a lot of shit going down in his life. Clay needs just a binge session. He needs a hardcore comfort show. Just binge. Yeah, absolutely. A weekend and cozies, lots of popcorn, couch time.

Yeah. He does show's it. I would have been a good can, and talking about like the real people, I would have been a good candidate for this prior. to becoming a parent because like now as a parent I have to watch things in like 45 second increments so yeah and otherwise it's puff and rock yeah you just have moana on repeat but it is interesting back in the day because I do that thing too Simon where I love to stay up late it's like my inner teenager comes out and it's like nobody can make me go to bed watch this is this arbitrary rebellion

and I do it too. It's so dumb. It's so silly and I know better, but it also feels so exciting for all the years. I felt like I had to play by the rules. And I remember when Dexter was on

and I was such a fan of the show, just binge watching on the DVDs. Because like I started the first season. It had been on for a while, but then I was like, okay, it's my time to start this show. And it was essentially, you know, pre-net,

Netflix, watch next episode, a moment for me where I was like, I have the whole DVD set of the whole first season. And I'm going to stay up till 6 in the morning and figure out who the, who's the killer this year? I mean, I was obsessed. Sorry, what, you broke up for a second. What show did you say? I said Dexter when it first came out. Oh, yeah. I started it. I think, I don't remember if it was right around when the first season was ending or if it had ended and it was on hiatus. But I got all the DVDs and then I was just an insomniac. That was the first show that my wife and I kind of bond like watch together as a couple. We used to like you'd like fall to sleep and then wake up in the middle of the night and the eerie music would be on the DVD and you enjoy you as and then

you was in it, right? Yes, I was. Was that the last season or the second to last? I don't remember. I think it was the last one. I think. My gosh. Wild. No. It's coming back. This year. I think, isn't it? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Well, guys, tune over to the Ravens. Pop over there and you're going to hear the rest of us, the rest of our answers to their questions inquiring minds want to know. Thank you so much, guys, for coming on Drama Queens. Yeah. Thanks, fellas. We'll see you on your show shortly. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's great pleasure. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Drama Queen's.

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