Drama Queens - Dreaming of 100 ᐧ EP512

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

The fact that this is the 100th episode of One Tree Hill certainly couldn’t have come at a more significant time.  Sophia, Hilarie and Joy explain how it all plays into today’s climate and current events.  Plus, a ton of behind the scenes stories regarding the dream sequences, why some of them feel a little more like a nightmare and a fan question so good...you're going to wish you were the one that asked it!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, family, drama queens here. As you know, our union Sagafra is on strike. Now, we are no strangers to pushing back against imbalances and abuses of power. It is the very basis of our podcast here. So we're reclaiming a really pivotal chapter in our lives. We are in full support of the strike as well as the writer's strike. And we've checked in personally with multiple representatives and have had our teams do the same so that we maintain an active line of communication. Right now, we have been given the green light to honor our I-Heart contract, but we are taking this walk down memory lane in an old school way and encourage you to do the same. Bust out those DVDs, okay? We've signed thousands of box sets so we know you have them.

Get together with friends and have watch parties like we did back in the day. This community has always been supportive and proactive whenever we've been in a tough spot. and this moment is no exception. We are grateful to you and encourage all of you to post your pictures with your box sets and use those hashtags SAG After Strong and WGA Strong, and we're going to post your pictures in our feed. Let folks know that you support the artists

who bring you your favorite shows like One Tree Hill. And if you're able, please donate to the Entertainment Community Fund. Our fans are the very best fans, so thank you. And thank you to our reps at SAG After. for helping us navigate this complicated moment. We are so proud to be union members. Now, on to the drama. First of all, you don't know me.

We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl. Drama girl. Chearing for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Drama, drama queens, drama queens.

This was our 100th episode. This was the 100 episode. We're going to have to talk about that party, you guys. Oh, yeah. Crazy. All right, give them the rundown on what the episode was, Joy. On the 100th episode of One Tree Hill, it's Lucas and Lindsay's wedding day.

Karen returns to Tree Hill from New Zealand with cutie patootie Andy. Nathan uses the occasion to attempt a reconciliation with Haley, who's super grouch. And Lindsay realizes at the altar that Lucas still loves Comet Payton and says she can't marry him. In all the chaos of Lindsay leaving Lucas at the altar, Jamie goes missing, Nanny Carey. And the recently paroled Dan, who showed up to the wedding uninvited after sleeping with the hooker. That's like the only hooker in Tree Hill, apparently. She works at the sporting goods store.

Yeah, you know, she's got a day job. So confused. He follows Nanny Carey and rescues Jamie. Wow. God. I remember filming this one so well. Like the dream sequence of Peyton and Lucas walking out of the church. Yeah.

It was the first time I'd ever worn a wedding dress in my life. And I remember in that moment thinking, oh, weird. Like, this is the first time I've ever worn a wedding dress. wedding dress and I'm with Chad and it's pretend like it's not real life but it looks real what a weird experience yeah that was strange how did you what did you do anything with it or was it just one of those where you're like I'm just going to put this on a weird shelf well and leave it alone I was engaged in real life at the time still and it like wasn't going great you know like we ended up breaking up at the end of season five and I just remember thinking am I actually going to do this

in real life and be like, no, no, I'm not. Oh my God. I can't know it. It was a practice run

to see how it felt and I didn't like it. Honestly, respect. It's hard once the trains left the station to pull the fucking emergency break. But wait,

can we talk about the real thing? Like, and I said this when we were watching that episode, that dress was so good on you. I was going to say

the dress with a little collar. It was like a tuxedo, but a gown. And it was so gorgeous. I liked that dress. And that dress is better than the one that Peyton ends up wearing at the actual wedding. But she's totally pregnant then. Oh, man.

I wish you had kept that dress. I know. I wish you kept it and dyed it black. Brooke could have let it out. We could have put some panels in the side. We could have totally worked it out. That would have been a fun recall. Sophia made the point that our characters always had,

our characters always had weddings in churches. and none of us went to church. Oh, that's funny, right? Like, it's always so weird to me. Like, when you see Dan go to confession, whatever season that was that that happened, where we all were like, what is he doing? And I'm like, what?

There is no relationship to any version of any kind of faith on our show. But then any time anyone gets married, it's in a church. And I'm like, these people don't go to church. Ironically, Haley did not. She got married out in. in the out in the woods or something.

I don't remember where they got married. They got them on the beach and then like out in the some property. Because you had the hippie parents. Your hippie parents would have never condoned that. That's right. That's right. And then Peyton and Lucas got married. Were we at Erley Gardens?

Is that where we did y'all's wedding? Girl, we were in Greenfield Lake. Oh, it was a swamp. That's right. It was supposed to be, I think we were trying to double it as the place where he and I met. And it's clearly not the same place. Yeah. And at that point, we just didn't care anymore.

Well, I was supposed to, in season, whatever it was, I don't know, I guess it would have been eight that Brooke and Julian got married. And we were supposed to get married at the Biltmore Mansion and do a full, like, company move to Asheville. Whoa. And we scouted it, and we went and did an episode there where we picked out our venue. What? Yeah, then they did the whole-shot at Biltmore? Yeah, Austin and I went and shot at the Biltmore Mansion. And then they did this whole thing where.

Brooke loses all her money and I get married in the Lucas and Lindsay church it's such a second-rate sad wedding I don't they toy with you like that I don't know I was like guys that's so dark

and I didn't realize it was the same one until we looked at this episode and I was like oh I remember that wood paneling didn't like it then don't like it now no it's like right up the street from Karen's cafe I feel like our base camp

probably stayed where it always is and we just shuttled between close over bros and the church. Absolutely. I wonder if it was a numbers thing. Like, does it help with ratings? Because Seventh Heaven was on the air at the time. And, you know, there's something about like a church that seems wholesome and people may be, I don't know. Like, why do you think it was just cheap?

I think it was cheap to shoot there. I think we got to double up on our base camp. And when you shoot inside a building like that, it's really easy to tent it or do day for night. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. It's so much easier to control than when we did y'all's weddings outside and we'd run out of daylight. Oh, yeah. We'd run out of daylight.

There were bugs. There were trains and planes and all sorts of dumb things. No, the church was great because it was walking distance to downtown. So we could go walk to Port City Java between takes and make poor choices. Go get a sandwich. I need a sandwich. But it was good that we were saving money on locations because we had everyone. in this episode.

Yes. Except Joe and Chase. But that's okay. They kind of lift out for this one. They're fine. They were new. Part of the reason that we had everyone back is because it was our 100th episode, which, for the people at home that don't work in television, what did it used to mean when you hit 100 episodes? Ooh, it used to mean syndication.

Oh, got that magic word, magic word. That's when they would rerun your shows. late at night or early in the morning or that's how people used to pay their mortgages kids yep no more that doesn't happen anymore well yeah now you do maximum three seasons of a streaming show with like 10 episodes and you're like see yeah i did it and that's it got to go have a second job no for for channels like soap net where we were or they're like i feel like t&T and tbS and a lot of those channels as well yeah would do a lot of syndicate shows where you had to have a library of at least 100 so that they knew they had X amount of

months of programming out of your show. And once we hit that magic 100 number, it's so rare in the industry to hit that number. And once you do, you're like, oh, my God, I'm going to be okay. You know, I might not book another job as the lead on a TV show, but I'm going to be okay and be able to support a family. And unfortunately, now that means zero, which is why we're on strike. God, SoapNet was so cool. They would air like Us and Dawson's Creek back to back. Just a whole Wilmington power hour.

They also aired actual soaps that was really fun for me because I loved watching soaps when I was a teenager. And to be able to go back and watch all my children, all the episodes. since I missed from the 80s, 90s. It was so fun. Girl, the One Life to Live story arcs, I still reference is like, oh, my God, remember Todd and Marty? Can't believe that. Todd and Marty.

Oh, my God, that's right. They drew me in. I wasn't even into One Life to Live until Todd and Marty was on a couple of times after school and I was done with all my children and just let the TV run. But it was also the beginning of programming for women, you know? There were not a lot of channels that understood that storylines geared towards women were marketable and financially smart. And they were treated as like these dumb, frivolous, you know, like grandma's watching her stories. Meanwhile, you know, for anybody who's a fan of One Tree Hill, we know that telling stories that are character-based and empathy-based are great and important.

And with the success of Barbie, you know, I think we're seeing that products for women are valuable. We're not ding-dongs. We just want a good, good story, man. That's right. We want to spend our money on things that we love and we love our stories. We love character-driven things. Imagine having feelings about things. Wow.

How silly. All those feelings, you girls are feeling. Revolutionary. Well, a lot of big feelings in this one. Oh, my goodness. It starts with that 80s song. What was that? It was the Springsteen song, right?

My hometown, right? Yeah, we really spent some money on some. How did we afford that? I don't know. I mean, well, I guess they just poured a bunch of it. It was Springsteen and One Tree Hill, Dream Team. I mean, that was pretty cool. I have to say, I liked the Springsteen vibe.

I loved this idea that Lucas was mirroring something that he grew up loving with Keith and Karen. for Jamie with Haley. But why in that voiceover? I hated the fact that the voiceover never synced with you guys in the car. Even with Jamie talking and Luke talking, I was like, sink it up,

let them talk to each other and then take it back into the voiceover and they never did it. And I couldn't concentrate on how cute y'all were being because I was so annoyed that even when we had two and a half minutes on your faces in the car you were never talking to each other for real it made me feel nuts that's

that's whole that's your ocd that's hilarious oh but joy it seems like they shot a scene and then like use parts of it and added voice over later like what do you remember from no no it was just we were just on the on the trailer driving the car talking in the car Jackson was having a ball leaning over and steering the wheel and like I mean obviously he was on the back of the truck but he was still having a good time. And it was all the, you know, look over the, look over the wheel and make that face and just chit chat. And yeah, because they knew it was a long voiceover. I really liked the opening a lot. But what I do agree with is that it didn't ever, there was no cohesive, like it didn't come back in the end. There wasn't a through line throughout the rest of

the story. It was just, again, this episode felt, which is strange, because one of our editors directed it. And this may not be his fault. It might just be the writing. But it felt choppy to me it was there was a lot of stuff that just was kind of like all jumbled and thrown together this was still the writer's strike oh yeah there you go so including all the the dan and carrie stuff it was like there wasn't it was like we were in a in a family drama and then now we're in a horror movie and there was no blend it was just no seamless blend which that irritated me well it was more funny than anything, I guess.

No, I really like Easter eggs, but what we noticed is that this episode happened to be really heavy-handed and really, like, pat myself on the back because it was like, look at the comparison Keith, Karen, and Lucas to Haley, Lucas, and Jamie. Look at the comparison, Nathan to Dan.

Look at the comparison, you know, Peyton and Brooke, who both just want families to Karen. Like, every single thing was a callback. And maybe that was intentional because it was the 100th episode, but it did feel like we were just constantly ringing a bell. And we didn't need to because we had enough actual movement in the narrative. I wonder if because of the strike and there were so many, just so many things to try and hit that maybe the episode got rewritten like six to ten times.

Like somebody just kept coming in and rewriting and rewriting. There were just all these really weird, like, leftover ghosts of other drafts. I think it was written before our season even started, so that by the time we got in production for this episode, there was no, you weren't allowed to fix things. Oh, you couldn't fix it. That's right. Yeah. You couldn't touch it.

There was no nuance. That's right. So it was, yeah. It was one person calling all the shots. Yeah. And it did feel heavy. It was like, let me tie all these themes together for you. And you were like, everyone who's been watching the show for 100 episodes knows what the themes are.

They know. You don't have to remind them so hard. God, we have a smart audience, you know? Like, you don't have to beat them over the head. Yeah. Oh, boy. Well, I did love all the dream sequences. I thought those were kind of fun, just the drifting off into thought and seeing Peyton stand up at the wedding and seeing Brooke dreaming of herself in the dress.

And I feel like Haley had one, but I can't. Oh, the kissing. In the rain in the kitchen? Oh, yeah. So that was the day we were drinking moonshine and making out in the kitchen. And it's one of my favorite moments from the show. Was supplying you guys with moonshine? Absolutely not.

Was a friend of ours on the crew supplying you with moonshine? We're going to beep the name. And everyone we worked with is going to be like, we know exactly who they're talking about. Do I still have two jars left of that moonshine in my freezer, like precious cargo in this house? Yeah, yeah. What I wouldn't give. Come over it. Oh, girl. I've hoarded it. Over the last 10 years, I've gone down a jarring year. I just love, like, how do you explain to new people in your life? Like a new friend that comes over, a new housekeeper. Like, don't. Don't touch that. They just say don't touch. Don't touch. Yeah, don't touch. That's good because it's a little creepy,

too. Like, I don't, I don't know what's in that. What is that? I was going to leave that alone. It's gasoline. It's North Carolina gasoline. I just dropped my dog off to get trained with somebody who lives really out in the sticks in Tennessee. And I pulled up into the yard and it's great. I'm super excited for her. But I definitely, definitely saw an outdoor bathtub with all the stuff to make moonshine. I was like, what you're making there? Oh, you know, just messing around with some. I'm like, yeah, I know what that is.

Yeah. We definitely had some moonshine on set that day. It was a late. It was late. We had been shooting. It was the last scene of the day. And it was one of those ones where we were hanging around not sure if we actually were going to get to that scene or not. Or if they were just going to bump it and put it on a different day. But it, you know, it's a lot of special effects. I got to rig hoses up on the ceiling. You got to make sure that the water pressure is dripping at the exact right. And the timing because it was drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. drip, drip, and then suddenly a downpour. So they had to time all that out. But practicing that timing is difficult because what are you going to practice on? The set. And if the set is wet, that makes it extra difficult. Yeah, you got to start over. So there was a lot of technical difficulties, and I remember us rushing it.

But we had been just bored all day, just sitting there waiting to see if we were going to get to that scene. So at some point, somebody me busted out the moonshine. And we had a lot of fun. Did you just say somebody mean? I did somebody made listen that's how you know you're 100 episodes in you're like

we don't even have to talk come on let's have a cocktail wait did James do it too of course he was like James is such a professional he was like no no I'm good and then I was like

you want some no no I'm good and then like an hour later I was like hey man you want some he's like yeah right we finally started shooting I was like, if I have to be making out in the, inside, in the rain, inside, in the rain.

And it's like a technical. And I was just like, you know what, screw it. That's just. But it was hot. It was great. Like, I didn't realize it was a dream. And as someone who's been in a very long relationship, you don't have a long relationship without having a couple of fights here and there.

And I have absolutely lived that moment of like, what are you doing here? Put your face on my face right now. Yes. Come here, go away. Come here, go away. I love those moments. I do, too. Yeah. I love that.

Yeah, the makeup stuff is good. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan. and going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner

in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive, while navigating. the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For our friends at home who are like, why have you guys not discussed this yet? We're both in the States.

Now you're in London, which is hilarious. We've traded places. I know. So Joy watched it separately, you guys. because she's meeting us after a dinner she had there with the time change. And when I tell you, Hillary and I were watching the episode before you got on the Zoom, and I was like, is this MadLibs? What is happening?

Like I couldn't, I couldn't remember what was coming. And then there would be these moments where I'd go, oh my God, I know what this person's going to say. I know what this person's going to do. And when the water first started, I didn't realize it was your dream sequence. And I was like, oh, my God, is the bathtub going to come through the ceiling? What happens? I don't remember this. I had a panic because I thought the ceiling was getting in.

I thought Jamie had drowned upstairs, you know? Oh, God. And then I was like, oh, oh, it's a, oh, it's a dream. Oh, it's sexy. It's like the rain and the, okay, I get what's happening. It's high school. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. I was ready for a disaster.

I think everyone's fantasies make sense. Yeah. Except Brooks. Except Brooks with the wedding dress. It was sweet, but I was confused. You guys? This never made sense. As soon as it started, I was like, oh, fuck, I know what's coming.

Because they, they wanted to get into the storyline of Brooke wanting to have a kid. Cool. But weird. Great. Fine. Weird. Super weird. Also, I don't like the thing of like, I have a void and a baby's going to fill it.

A baby is not a Band-Aid. Thank you. That was such a bad time. I was like, do these have to be said in the same sentence? This is bad. And by the way, you can see who wrote this episode. episode as a solo writer and the misogyny dripping from it with like, I'm so unfulfilled. I'm successful, but I'm empty inside.

Because as a woman, I can't possibly be happy unless I have a baby. And then even with you, when you confronted Dan outside and he basically like tells you he's having a sexual fantasy about you, I was like, no, no. Was that? No. Like this whole episode was dripping with, we did not have any female. writers in the room get to edit this or do a polish on it grossness or raise their hand and be like maybe just consider you like maybe don't even andy's line about lindsay ew ew about like yeah

until she sees me it's like dude that's like your steps on that's so gross it's all so gross and we know why but ill gross and for me the level of ick i was like brook davis has established boundaries and become good friends with Lucas. She is also Peyton's number one fan. Like, that's my ride or die. I would never, Brooke would never be like, I know you're in love with this man who's about to marry someone else,

but I'm just going to ask him for a quick organic material donation so I can make a baby with him. No. You got an organic material. Nobody's doing that. I can't say the word. I can't be like, ew, sperm down or gross.

Like, organic material donation. Stop it. You guys, it's. so out of character. Are we making t-shirts that say like Scott's organic material like Deb's dead

and T-Scott Auto Body? I die. Honestly, I die for. We can make that t-shirt for dad's organic material donor. Yes. Oh my God. Gross. Super down. Gross. Truly when I tell you I was infuriated then. I'm

infuriated now. It was not based in reality. I hated every minute of it. I'm like, this just doesn't track. It's so off the charts insane. And Brooke owns a multi-million dollar company. You think she can't go to like whatever the version of North Carolina Cryo Bank is and paid $1,200 for a semen sample?

Y'all, there were databases. There were databases where you could just get like anonymous hazel eyes, six feet tall, whatever. I think she's not going to Uncle Cooper first? Hello? Cooper. He would for sure be the daddy. Like, we're not, oh, I can't. This whole storyline is so ridiculous.

But also, why was she in a wedding dress? Why is she fantasizing about a wedding dress? Like, enough. Well, guys, because she's 22 years old. Oh, because she just needs this man's. Her best friend is in love with this man. She would never. I would rather have seen a fantasy about her mom.

actually dealing with you know Victoria coming in and saying honey I'm you know what I just had therapy whatever I don't know I'm sorry I love you you're amazing even if Brooks to your point I love that idea joy if Brooks fantasy was she's standing there in her wedding dress and her mom comes in and says I'm so proud of you and then it turns out it's yes like Victoria and Millie both have dark hair you could do a really cool reveal cut something that that's about like her as a woman and as a daughter. But I just was like, are we really doing this again? Well, honestly, when Karen came in with her longer dark hair, we've never seen her like this, I have a glare on my screen. I thought it was Victoria. Because when Book turns around and is like, oh my God, what are you doing here?

I was like, what? Is Victoria showing up to be like helpful or something? And that would have been like the fantasy so then to see brook have like a sweet but kind of awkward conversation with karen like a man definitely wrote that scene where it was like how do you say say stay so strong i can't say it it won't come out of my mouth guys in your life have you ever sat down and like i need to ask you a question how how could i have so much dignity and grace it was so like fission but i love that brook was clearly being like, I need a maternal validation right now. And Karen gives it.

And what I loved about it, like, I have that visceral sense memory we get from shooting that scene with Moira and then with you coming in. Because to see Moira, I was so excited. And like, I know that my reaction, Brooke seeing Karen, is how I felt about seeing Moira. and then you walk in and you did the same thing and I was like oh my God we loved her we just loved her so much and having her back was so special and even though the dialogue in the scene was so clunky

I loved how authentic our relationships as the three women in the store in the Karens that turned into the close over rose like I loved it I mean I know why you weren't their joy but like it was so I'm like God Haley should have also been there

like we should have had this like girl moment all of us with Karen because she was like our human. She was our mom. Yeah, she was the mom to all of us really. Why didn't Haley and Karen have a moment? I don't know. That was strange. That's what I mean.

There were all these weird setups that didn't follow through. All the things that were missing. A lot of things that were choppy kind of jumping around. I appreciated that they wanted to do some bonding with them and I liked that we drove out there on the dock and I have

I have Chad and plaid, which I loved. I thought he looked so great in that plaid shirt on the dock. I was like, oh, he was being little Keith. He was. It was like a whole little, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's like Karen, Keith, and the whole thing. But I did love, and I also wrote in my notes that the Brooke and Peyton in this whole episode, the arc of how you guys were together, was really fun to watch. I feel like we've, everybody's been dealing with their own stuff the last few episodes.

So it was good to see you guys back together and reminding everybody of why that friendship is so fun and meaningful. I love that we looked naked in that church. We're both wearing strapless dresses. All the two shots of us, Joy, just are like tits up. I didn't clock it. I didn't clock it. Oh, no, I got to go watch.

We look nude. And like, I know it's totally like not intentional because wardrobe wasn't thinking like that. No. The camera was thinking like that. But there's this. metaphor of Brooke and Peyton laying themselves bare in the church, just like totally naked in their discomfort and just like, all right, we're going to sit here and deal with this.

Here we go. And you know who else I thought was such a standout for what was added to that dynamic? Like, you look, when one of your girlfriends is going through some shit and you show up and you're like, we're a team, we don't have dates, we're here together. Because Haley's dealing with her whole family, like, are we, aren't we? So, It's the two of us, like, Tweedledee and Tweedledum in the Pughes, right? And his skills. Antoine being, like, the little kickstand to our bike just propping up all the drama the whole time was so funny. Yeah, he was great.

Him being like, we'll kidnap her, we'll put you in the dress. You're going to stand up when they say, like, all the ideas. It was just so funny. Y'all, I love Gallo's humor. Gallo's humor at a wedding or a funeral is so appreciated because someone's got to fall on the sword

and be the spicy one. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I didn't anticipate that it would be skills, you know, because he's been so like, oh, Lindsay's great, everything's awesome. I like,

what I notice is that no one is telling Lucas, like, oh, buddy, this is going to be awesome. And we're here for you forever. Literally everyone says to him, they're like, hey man, You're a good guy. No matter what happens. Yeah.

Well, Haley is. Haley's telling him. Oh. But that's it. She's not saying it's going to be great. No, she tells him the truth. Yeah, she does. But also, I don't know.

I think she, I was watching. I was thinking about that. I was like, why isn't she telling him to go be with Peyton? But don't you feel like she does when she talks about the book? And she's like, hello? I know what you're. book is about and he's like no it's not yeah yeah she does it in her own way i guess rather than just be but that's what's weird is their relationship has always been she's always been very like

just giving it to him straight so it's strange now that at this point she's just kind of all right i'll let you do your own thing but maybe that's part of becoming a mother too and like learning how to step back and let people learn their own thing i don't know i wanted her to stick up a little bit more for peyton is nathan still sleeping on the couch at lucas and lindsay's house at lucy's house? Yeah, where does he live now? Yeah, he's not home, so I guess he's at Lucas and, unless he's at Skills House. Wait, where, where was that scene? At Lucas and Lindsay's house. Where, oh, the creepy shower scene. Oh, yeah, what was that? Where he comes out of the fantasy and is like all bent over in the shower? It looks like he was in the locker room at the high

school, you guys. That was uncomfortable. We both were like, why is he bent like that? It looked like cold showery, like weird. it was suggestive for him, man. He just wants his wife back so bad. How uncomfortable to have to walk down the aisle and, like, see your spouse who you're in a fight with. And by the way, your hair is so good in this episode. And that dress.

The dress. With the lace over the, oh. Yeah. The whole thing was like an 11. Incredible. And it's just killing him. Killing him. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. yeah and you did that thing or like you walked up the aisle looking like a little snack and then you like looked at him and wouldn't hold his eyes and you looked at the ground and I was like oh it's torture it's torture it's got to find your moments you got to find your moments you've been married a while you got to you know you had to milk it a little bit put him through the paces but then okay I mean how about the fact that Lindsay saw the car was a comet, but didn't put it together until she was standing at the altar.

Hello. I mean, good for Michaela from pulling that off. She did such a beautiful job. She really really did. I like the idea that she's like, I was in New York. I don't know cars. Like, she's clearly seen Peyton's car before. She saw it outside a trick with Lucas's car parked right

next door. Hello? But what bride in her dress is going to go walking through the gardens of a church to get her soon-to-be husband ex-girlfriend's sweater off the roof of her car. I was like, we couldn't have done this better. Why is she outside the church

where everybody can see her anyway? She should have been doing her like bridesmaid photos, you know? Yeah, she should have been doing portraits or something where you're like, oh, well, there's a reason for her to be out here. She's not just standing out here after twirling around for two little kids who aren't there anymore.

She should have been smoking. I don't even think she needed to see the car. She's seen it before. She knows, it's famous. Peyton's car is kind of famously a comet. It's something that's, she has to have seen that before. And wasn't it in the original book, in the Ravens book, that she edited? Oh, yeah.

I just feel like, I just feel like she would know that. So why did we have to make this whole point if we're seeing it? Why is Peyton there? Why? Like, I get like, oh, we're all grown up, so we'll all be friends. But, you know, she could have stayed at home and crafted and just made it easier on everybody. Like, we already had the whole basketball thing where she was like, well, you guys are dumping me. We've moved past that.

She is a lovely Saturday. She could have found something to do. She did not need to be there. For him or Lindsay, she's not on either side. Yeah, it's not like Lucas was begging. Like, you would really mean a lot to me if you were here. No. No, no one says that to her.

Is she just Brooks plus one? Is this just like? A creeper move? She's not even invited. I went to one of my best friend's weddings, and there had been this question of like, oh, are we going to invite this one specific part? Oh, I shouldn't even say this. God, I hope they're not listening. Anyway.

Well. Your whole face just turned red. Just someone you know. Listen, I went to a wedding of someone that I know, and beforehand, they were like, oh, we've got this one friend. I don't know whether to invite them. And this friend showed up as a plus one. Like, they hadn't invited them but showed up as a plus one. That is balzy.

It was, like, just sweaty. Just, like, and everything ended up being fine, but I just remember it was stressful. It was just stressful. So, like, why is Peyton there? Come on. If you ever on the fence of, like, should I go to this person's wedding, don't. Don't. Like, unless they say to you, baby, I want you here.

Don't do that. That'll be weird. Yeah, unless you're invited. If you're not invited and so. everybody brings you as a plus one and it's like, I mean, it's my ex-boyfriend or it's my ex-girlfriend or whatever, but it'll be fine, even though I wasn't invited. You probably weren't invited on purpose. Stay home. And they've only been engaged two weeks. How did they pull this off? Oh my God, that's right. Because Nathan's like, I haven't seen you in a week, Jamie.

Why did they have such a short engagement? Like, it's really weird. And in Tree Hill and where's her family? We don't know anything. is her man all of these problems would have been solved if they just went back to that pond where lindsay used to hang out with her dad and didn't she tell a story about a pond yeah waldon pond walden pond they could have gone and gotten married at waldon pond that's right Lucas made this happen he knew what would happen I just I don't know why they didn't draw it all out longer I think it would have been more fun drama like involve Lindsay's family have them come to tree hill who her parents What do they think of Lucas? How's he going to spend all this time, like trying to impress them?

And then what's going to happen when she realizes maybe her dad finds out that Peyton's car is the comet or her mom? And then we have, it just could have gone on for so long. It would have been fun. Well, her dad's dead. We already made that mistake. Oh, right. Sorry.

Yeah. Sorry. But right. Like, why are we speeding through this? It could have been so juicy and, like, drawn out. I remember, I have a physical memory of having to stand up and do that whole little bit about when you fixed my car, you fixed my heart. My God, I literally, the fact that you were able to do that

with a straight, frickin' face. We all sat around, because we were all seated together, and we were all talking shit about it. Like, I remember us holding the sides in our hand being like, how fuck am I going to do this? This is awful. This is terrible writing. But you pulled it off, and the fans love it.

Like, that line gets quoted back to you all the time. All the time. And I do happen to love when you, you've fixed my car, you fixed my heart now. It's the, it's the, don't leave me again, Lucas. People always leave that really just, like, got stuck in my crawl.

That was the nail. But I remember Moira being like, just say it as fast as you can. And I was like, yeah. That's what we're going to do. And so it was just like, and that was the right note. It was absolutely the right note.

It was because it was the, it was a dream sequence. anyway so it didn't actually have to be really believable because it was kind of like what why is Peyton doing this what this is so what so then it worked yeah it was a dream sequence it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture it was a huge honor to to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges,

we explore her story along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of Reservient reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then Jamie goes missing.

Well, I love the buildup to it because it's like, Anytime something traumatic happens and you've been kind of spicy with people around you and then you're kind of at their mercy, that's an uncomfortable place to be in. And Haley's so great in this episode because she is like not pulling any punches. She's telling her best friend, like you're marrying the wrong girl. She's telling her husband, eh, ain't happening, scram, you know? Like she's just being really... Yelling at Dan.

Yeah, yelling at Dan. She's being assertive with everybody in a way. way that's great until now she's in the most vulnerable position she's ever been in with her child missing and it's like now I have to rely on the very people that I've just been really frank with and it's like I like that you're saying assertive it's so positive I just felt like she was so grouchy and really uh I had a word but it just disappeared out of my brain I just felt like she was really grouchy with everybody she had a reason to though I validate her grouch all right that's fair

I appreciate that. Yeah, I liked it. You're right. It is suddenly like, okay, now I have to, now I just need everybody's help. So please, please just be my. I think it was maybe an insecurity. It felt like she was being really, really, like it was like a fear-based grouch, just always upset and scared about what the future is.

And there were so many things out of her control and unknown. And then the anxiety got turned up to 11 when Jamie disappeared, which, by the way, I loved that moment of Jamie in the hallway when Carrie comes and he's walking to the bathroom and he turns around like a little like a little man. And he's like, Nanny Carey, what are you doing here? And the way he says it, like so swank. It's so funny. Yeah, he was so believable in that moment. And my, I loved, loved, loved Nanny Carey and Jamie in the hotel room where we start to see her fall apart.

and the cracks, and he's just playing it like, huh, grownups are weird, you know? Like, as the audience were like, oh, God, she's spiraling, this could get dangerous. And the kid has the candy wrappers on the bed next to him, just so sugared out of his brain. Cartoons. Oh, it's so scary, though. That's just such a creepy. Terrify. Such a creepy thing to see.

But it made me happy to see. Dan show up. Yes. Let's talk about that. It's so conflicting. Yeah, it really is. Like the brutality to women in the episode, like him strangling Carrie is something that I feel like our show wanted the audience to root for.

And we probably did when this aired, right? Like, yeah, get her, Dan. And in this moment where it's like, oh, my God, this guy who just got out of prison has a woman by her throat and is telling her I'm going to kill you. Yeah. Okay, but she's a kidnapper. Absolutely.

You would expect him to do that with a man. Yes. It was like a heightened physicality that makes me feel very like, oh, she's the bad guy. He's also a bad guy. Everything's bad here. And maybe like call the cops.

Maybe make a phone call. Yeah. It feels like he could just go in, grab Jamie, and leave. And there's other ways to threaten someone. also he could call the cops and say I watched this woman kidnapped my grandson

I'm at this location she's in this room I followed them from the church everybody thinks it's me but it's her I'm sitting here stay on the phone with me but he had to be the vigilante yeah and go in and deal with it

and be violent and do what he does and get the credit and whatever walk into the house yeah yeah you're right he could have he could have done that and even if it I guess maybe it's just because the sensitivity level too is like if it had been a man and he needed to go in and get the get the kid out as soon as possible that makes sense to me and I guess we're sort of sort of conditioned to watch like we've been watching action movies for years where men are fighting each other and it's kind of like a whatever but the putting it visually putting it on camera a man especially his size choking a woman regardless of the circumstance

I just don't know that we need to see that could we just have had him go in and take Jamie well remember when we had all the psychoderic stuff we were told over and over again how our ratings went up when the girls got beat up

right and so it feels like hey you know what'll work we've done it before now we'll just get this super hot chick and strangle her Although she plays a dastardly villain. Like, her turns in the episode were so juicy and fun to watch.

So scary. Oh, yeah. And what's coming is so good. All this, like, the misery stuff that's coming up soon. It's going to be fun. I'm your mommy now. But I remember that day when we were shooting, because there were a lot of days in this episode when everyone was there. And we were all just killing time.

Those are the days when everybody comes into work with whatever their little side projects are. If you're writing something or reading something or knitting something or whatever, and we're all just there hanging out, making our time useful until it's our time to be on the screen. And I remember that being a fun day. Everybody was there in Nathan and Haley's house. I mean, it was a little stressful. I also remember, oh, that's funny. This just hit me.

I remember because there were so many people. people there and the crew was always busy and stuff that it was the one day I had to be really, really emotional. And I was the only one that had to be really, really emotional. It was so loud on set because everybody was talking and everybody. It's just hard to contain that many people. It wasn't necessarily a lack of sensitivity, but it just was, it's just hard to contain that many people. But I do, I remember that. But I got there. And, and it was great to be able to see just everybody's faces. And bizarrely, you know, we talked about how, we attach to our characters and you'll, you know, you'll feel jealous even though it's not

real life or whatever. I remember looking around that room and feeling really comforted by all of, all of the faces, and it really helped. I remember that day really well, too, because it was the first time everyone was there, and so they made us take all those group photos. Remember, they were like press? Oh, yeah. There was like press there because it was our 100th episode, and it was just like, okay,

well, Joy has to cry, but if everyone else could get together and take this big photo. You know, and we're all kind of like, guys, she's got to do some, like, Harry looked in her, so it was so awkward. They take for granted. They think, like, oh, you can just turn it on and off like a faucet. Like, you don't need to emote. Entertainment Weekly's here. Yeah, you can cry, right? Go, cry.

Okay. Dude. Yeah. It was fun, though. It was fun. It was fun. Jackson running in that room. Well, yeah.

And also the lily dynamic. Oh, yeah. When Lily says to Nathan, can I play with this? And you just see it suck the life out of him, but she's a little kid. You know, that was, I thought, really, really well done. Yeah, I liked that. I like that she's Lucas's cousin sister. That's the most treatile shit ever.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, I guess, same thing for Nathan. She's Nathan's cousin's cousin, too, or no, just cousin. Little sister. God, it's so confusing. I loved our 100th episode party because they threw this huge party with like a red carpet. And every executive from Warner Brothers came into town.

Where did we do that? Was that like in landfall or something? Yeah, I would think it was like it was on the water, right? Like blue something grill. And you remember, there was like a big tent where we all cut the cake? I have that picture hanging on my wall. Yeah. Yeah.

I almost didn't make that photo. What do you mean? There was a game room and like a photo booth member. They had all those like, I mean, they really decked it out. Whatever that place was, I feel like there was a lot of different rooms and areas. And that's why I almost didn't make the photo because I was in a different room. And I just didn't hear, for whatever reason, I didn't hear everybody saying, like, let's get together and cut the cake. remember sneaking in at the last second. Did you miss all the speeches, Joy? I missed. I think I missed a lot of

speeches. I had no idea. I mean, we were just being a whole stand it on the side trying not to laugh. Yeah, we were just talking. I'm so sorry I missed that. That was also like, you know, Kate Vogel was there and that poor creature was in the crosshairs with our boss at the time. And we were just like surrounding her like body men. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. Yeah. I remember feeling really. like catty that night just like there are so many girls in this room right now and we're all on the same page you yeah it felt good to all be in the same room you know what it makes me think of like the visual i feel like we made a hornet's nest that night we were like we can dare you to come in here man and everybody like looked good that night yeah you know we remember jojo and tim helped us all get ready

it was like, we were done up. It was fun. Yeah, that was a great party. Yeah. I wore my junior year prom dress. Yeah, you did. That brown one. I love that dress.

It's like a pleated dress. I was really mad. I only ever wore it once when I was like, you know what? I'm going to wear this thing. I still have that dress. I'm going to find another thing to wear it to. I don't think I have the dress I wore to that party, but I remember. It was the best.

neckline. Oh, it had that cool, like, metal thing and then the chain straps. Oh, yeah. I loved that dress. And there had been something. We'd had to do, I don't know, like a press event or something. You know when every once in a while they'd throw us on a last minute flight to New York? Be like, you're leaving at 6 a.m. tomorrow.

Yeah. So I, like, landed in New York and bought a dress because I hadn't had time to get something. And same thing. I was like, I don't just want to wear this once. So then I wore it to our 100th episode party, and I was so excited. Yeah, that was pretty. We didn't have a lot of opportunities to dress up. I know.

I saw the belt from that dress, but I think I don't think I have the dress anymore. But I keep the belt, keep thinking that I'm going to use it, and then I never have. Yeah, but it's also sentimental. Now that you've mentioned it, you'll use it like next week. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'll try. It's gold brocade. It's kind of hard to, and it's like a thick, so it doesn't really fit in jeans.

I don't know. I'll let you know. I'll snap a photo if I'll find something. find the right thing you'll find some perfect little dress to put it over and be like there it is yeah bang i did love for as ridiculous as it was it was really special to have that night with all of us to be able to celebrate what we did because you know we all had that it's not like stockholm syndrome but whatever the the version of it is where you know you're essentially your parents tell you're terrible like it was like our boss

did that to us for so long. You're on the bubble. You might not get picked up. Nobody watches your show. And here it is like one of the most successful coming of age TV shows of all time. And we were so used to being told we weren't doing things right. That to have a party that we all got to be at. Not like three people got sent to Raleigh and two people got sent to Dallas and two people got sent to New York. Like we all got to be together. And I just remember looking around when we were doing that cake cutting. And I remember looking at each of you and just being like, whoa, we did this. Like we're really doing this and it felt special. That's a great point. I agree. I love that. It had been our reality up until that point that like we weren't as good as

the other shows. And then you hit that milestone where you're like, but what if we are? And everything I'm seen tonight says that we are. Yeah. I think we're pretty great. actually. It's not like our show's over at 100. We're going to go on for like, how many episodes did it end up being entirely? 187. That's bananas.

Unbelievable. Yeah. Just living on the bubble, man. Oof. Do we have a honorable mention this episode before we get to our fan questions? Skills is so great. He just, he came in, he sort of saved the episode for me. Like all the, all the pieces that I was like gaps and you,

weren't really sure he commented he just he just jumped in it was great i loved it his line baby girl you are so far from okay you're not even in the same zip code that was good great and then to pick it up with the ross and rachel joke like because he really deflated you and then he brought the humor back it was so well done i just like that skills watch his friends right we learned a lot about him in this episode he really did You guys, my honorable mention, hands down, was the sync to Grace Potter. Having that whole end sequence be happening over apologies, I had goosebumps the whole time. I was like, okay, okay, okay, I'm finally into the episode.

This has been ridiculous, but this is really good. Awesome. I loved it. I just think she, like, her music elevates any performance I've ever seen it play underneath. She's so good. my honorable mention goes to all of the secret booze in this episode because between learning that you and Nathan were drinking moonshine and knowing that we had water bottles in the church pews during those long wedding hours I love that we treated this like a real wedding and just came prepared everybody snuck it in it was a hundredth episode man we were like let's party let's just let's just party what are they going to to fire us right Here we go. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

We've got a question from Jessica. She says, whose wedding on the show, if it happened in real life, do you think would have been the most fun or entertaining to attend? I mean, Brooks, right? Like, Brooke would have had, like, how is that even? Yeah. What happened at your wedding? I caught, I caught so much that Peyton wasn't at Brooke's wedding. So what did I miss?

It was a pretty good time. What did I miss? Also, I mean, talk about everybody drinking in the pews. By the end of that week, people, everybody was just so tired of being extras. When we were running against the clock and Lisa Goldstein got the church giggles. And then we all got it. And then it spread and we were trying to get through a thing. And for whatever reason, I don't know.

I had like made eye contact with her or something. And somebody from behind Video Village basically acted like I did it to you guys. And I finally looked over and was like, you guys help me here. And everyone was like, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Like we just couldn't. We could not get our shit together. It was very funny. No, we've never had, I've never seen a producer come.

into I can't even finish this who was it who was it we'll beep it we'll beep it no it was but I have never stalking in he was so angry Hillary

was so mad and it was just the whole lot of us in this one section in these two pews and he read us the riot act man we really got in trouble too oh in front of everybody in front of everyone

we got reamed. But we were so, we were cracking up. We were trying so hard. We really were trying to contain it. Well, and it was in that church with those high ceiling. So the noise, the echo, oh my God. And I was just like melting up there. And I think he'd gotten really mad because our boss had literally written the most embarrassing wedding vows for Brooke Davis that you've ever heard in your life. So I rewrote them. And I literally was like, no, I'm doing it. I wrote them. I'm saying this and they were like you can't do that and i was like i dare you watch me call him call la call the writer's room i have put my blood sweat and tears into this woman and i am not letting her

say this bullshit like i just had had it we were eight years in i didn't care anymore so i think i think our bosses who were there were a little like whoa because they'd lost a battle with me so they came in yeah oh they came in so hot and they yelled at all of us so bad is it a crazy like that they were still treating us like little kids I'm 30 years old I mean to be fair we were we were acting like little kids that day it was a mess I love it yeah

we'd really run out I'm gonna need Brooke Davis to get married again so I can come because I feel like like the live band at Brooke's wedding is probably really tight a hundred percent Brooke Davis knows how to throw a party we have that in common to clarify this

since you're talking about how much you got I feel like this is a really important moment to tell our fans that we were told, Joy and I, that you had been invited back for the episode and said no. And then obviously when we talked, you were like, no, they never asked me to come. But they had essentially asked us in the press to be like, oh, well, you know, she was invited to come but was doing white collar or whatever you were working on at the time. I think it was that same year. And then when I talked to you and found out that was a lie, I went ballistic.

I was so mad. Oh, I was mad. So to be clear, Peyton should have been at Brooks Wedding. And it wasn't up to any of us. No, the only time I ever got a phone call was I was pregnant with Gus. It was in October of, I guess, season seven. And my manager got a call that was like, Hillary's on the board for this episode,

so we're trying to schedule her travel. And we had had an epic fallout as I left the show. And my manager had been told all these things by our bosses that were just horrific about me and that I'd never work again and all this stuff. And so it was just this really pleasant call from like a secretary.

Like, we're trying to book her. And I was like super pregnant. And I was like, uh, I'm unavailable. You're like, I'm not getting on a plane right now. Thank you so much. Yeah, that was the only, that was the only call that I can remember getting, certainly no like Brooks wedding situation. Rude. Well, we'll just have to do it again. They just weren't, they weren't prepared for the three of us to be back in the room together again. That's all. We need, we need somebody to cut somebody who's a fan who has all these clips to

cut together at Brooke's wedding. Put Peyton in the wedding so that we're all there together. There's enough footage of when I was on white collar, like, constantly dressed up for shit, because my character was always dressed up, that they can cut that in with Brooke Davis's wedding. Like, someone can do that. I'm into it. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously, though, you should, when this is over, set up your phone and take, you look like you're in a Hitchcock movie right now. You need to take some photos in this light.

That's really good. All right. I'll just sit here and be dark and stormy. while we spin a wheel. Rear window. I love that. I just showed Gus all those movies. He dug it.

So good. On theme. Ha ha. Wait, did you guys do this on purpose? Did our producers manipulate this? Just tell us yes or no. This is incredible. This is so good.

Read it. They swear they didn't manipulate this. All right. Which one of us is most likely to be late to their own wedding. Um, well, like, all of us have been married a couple times, like. You know what? I was engaged for like 10 years.

So I would say that was pretty late to my own wedding. I've pushed that shit so far. I was like, why don't we just have a couple kids first? Yeah. Yeah, that is, that's pretty funny. Yeah. I feel like my ADHD would make me late. because I would at the last second be like,

oh, I really need some floss. And there's a drugstore across the street. Let me just run out real quick. I'll do it myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you would want to do something yourself. Exactly.

But what character? Seems like a Nathan thing. Nathan's so afraid he's going to get in trouble all the time. Yeah. I just feel like shit happens to him. He just is always like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I actually for sure feel like Dan Scott would have been laid to his wedding, but on purpose as like a manipulative tactic. Yeah, a good call. Oh, I showed up. Are you surprised? Congratulations. Yeah. Yuck.

Oh, man. I weirdly don't feel like any of us. I don't feel like Brooke Payton or Haley would have been late. No, none of us. No, I don't think so. No, I can see something like happening to Mouth. He's another one of those people that has like hijinks all the time. Yeah.

Rachel kidnapped me. I didn't mean. to be late. Yeah. That one. Yeah. I have no idea what happens in the fallout. I think I only remember storyline-wise what happens up to now, to the wedding falling apart.

Yeah. But I feel like Lucas is mad at Peyton somehow, and she didn't do it. She didn't do anything. I'm going to be so annoyed if Lucas shows up at Peyton's door, sad sacky. Like, oh, comfort me. Well, it's Peyton and Brooke's door. It's the both of us. that's right that's right we live together oh my god if he starts sleeping on our couch i will die laughing

i really don't remember what happens i don't either i can't wait to find out um all right you guys well all right hang in there we will see you next week for season five episode 13 echoes silence patience and grace oh boy god here we go lions tigers and bears oh my you can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Drama queens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time.

We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Drama, drama queens, drama queens. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.