Drama Queens - Drinks, Drama, and Definitely No Memories • EP 812

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

It's Brooke's bachelorette party, and the comedy in this episode is unmatched! Dave Navarro guest stars, delivering unforgettable lines that take everyone by surprise. Meanwhile, Sharon Lawrence pulls off a wild stunt that left a Drama Queen doing a spit take while rewatching the scene.Plus, would you give your partner a pass if they kissed someone at their bachelor/bachelorette party?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens.

We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama queens, drama, queens you know how sometimes you don't even know what you need until you get it and you're like how was i getting by without this and this is what this episode felt like to me this episode was so much fun

i mean listen we got a lot to get into so let me just break it down it's season eight episode 12 the drinks we drank last night it aired january 25th 2011 synopsis reads after a while night out on the town for her bachelorette party brook and the girls try to piece together the night before while looking for brook's missing engagement ring and dealing with the aftermath the day of brook and julian's rehearsal the girls at the bachelor party take something from nathan's professor prompting nathan to confront him also a dog rides a skateboard directed by the one and only chad graves written by shana fuel shana who moved on to uh outland which we love. She's so good. Okay, guys, this was so fun to watch because obviously I was so

pregnant that I was hardly in the episode. I mean, I remember showing up for a couple of the like the search party moments that we did. And then I remember coming to the beach house and looking at the complete disarray that I, that Haley shows up in and that was fun. But all of the partying stuff, all of the feather boa style, like all the bull riding, all of it. I missed. I wasn't there. And it was so fun to watch. You guys did great. It was such a blast. We had such a good time on this episode. And, you know, when you're on your 12th episode of the season, you're essentially halfway through. People are usually a little tired. And, you know, the sleeplessness for six months is getting to you. And this episode, I mean, it was like a shot of adrenaline for

It was so fun and so silly. And, you know, whether it was dancing on the table at the frat house or stealing the ice cream truck, I still don't know where that came from. It's just, it was sort of like Shana took the idea of the hangover and ran with it for the girls. And I loved it. Had the hangover come out yet? I think it must have.

I think so. Wasn't that 2006? Oh, my gosh. did you actually just whip out the correct release here of the hangover? It was a total gut assumption. I will be amazed if I'm correct about that. That's incredible, if you're right. 2009, you were close.

It's an upside-down-six. That's why my brain. I'm dyslexic. See, it works. All right. So, yeah, we had a little inspiration, perhaps, from the hangover. One thing, I just sort of a general note about the whole episode that I so appreciated was no one was trying to look good

I say this about your comedy a lot joy that I see you go for it you know there's no vanity in comedy at least there's no vanity in good comedy and everyone really leaned into it and was not concerned with my angle do I look okay it was just everyone swung for the fences

and as a result it is just so funny to see The physical comedy in this one was great. Yeah, you nailed that. That's absolutely right. I didn't think about that until you just said it, but it's one of the main reasons why it works so well is that to have a room full of women and no vanity, that's exciting.

That's really exciting to watch. Well, and then the sort of BTS comedy that you don't see on screen is that instead of coming in, you know, every third take, because we're in the South and everyone's sweating to give us touch. our hair and makeup team is actually coming in to make sure we look worse, to make sure that smeared lipstick is there, to make sure, you know, your hair's lopsided. And it was really fun to

get to do that because there was, I mean, listen, the CW gets made fun of for it all the time, that everybody has to look good always, even if they're running from vampires or like, you know, underwater. And it's nice to be able to really lean into being a hot mess. Oh, I don't think we ever would have done that the first few seasons. No way. I don't think we would have been allowed to. They would have seen one day of dailies and been like, reshoots. But speaking of the CW, I laughed out loud and have in my notes that that day spa is wall-to-wall hot masseurs.

And I was like, this is the most CW. That's my note is this is the most CW day spa of all time. Yes. Only Alex could have arranged that. There wasn't a dude over 28. Everyone had less than 10% body fat. Everyone had a good tan. It was hilarious to me.

It was like a calendar audition for just like hot shirtless dudes. It probably was. It was so fun to have actual Alex, our friend from town, play one of the hot masseurs who's telling Haley, oh, the drinks are perfectly safe. And thank God you don't have any because you're pregnant. Yeah. I forgot about Alex. I knew that guy looked so familiar. And I was like, I remember shooting the scene with him. Why is he, is he just familiar? Because I remember that moment. That's my friend. Oh, it's so fun. It was so, so fun. Yeah, I was kind of a little judgy of Haley at first, not drinking the smoothie. I was like, what's wrong with her? Why didn't she just drink the smoothie? I forgot. It was the whole device. But the smoothies themselves were okay. It was just when you combined them with alcohol. Yes. Oh, right, right. It was like a baking soda vinegar situation. Yes. They were some sort. of wellness tonic. What the hell kind of smoothie can't be mixed with alcohol?

That's what I want to know. The unraveling of that with Alex is so good because she, everyone looks at her like, what the hell was in those drinks? And she goes, I don't know. Someone goes, what was in those energy drinks? And she goes, I don't know. Energy? And clearly no one in the room is satisfied with that answer.

And she's like, I'll go find out. She had some great one-liners, great moments in this episode. I feel like everybody really had their own, had their own unique moment. Like Lisa getting the tattoo was so great. And her spinning around in circles trying to see her. Like a puppy. Yep. And yeah, Jana was great. And again, you know, she's so consistent with Alex Dupre's inconsistency that it's really endearing that you never know what you're going to get. Is she pulling a trick? Is she being manipulative? Is she being really sincere? I don't know at this point. I don't never know what to expect from her, but I really liked her vibe in this episode. And that nice moment towards the end

where it just sort of showed that she's, she's not, she's not dumb and she's not totally unaware when she's like, I know why I got invited. And that's okay. I just want to be around some friends. It was like, oh, like you said, it's like she's consistently inconsistent because that was a moment where I went, now that's a person I can root for. Yeah, she needs real friends. So she knows at the root of it. That's why she's doing everything. Yeah. Which makes it consistent, even in the inconsistency. And by the way, the fact that when somebody says, who got a tattoo, everybody looks at different parts of their body. The first place she goes is down her pants. Down the pants. The opening scene with Yusuf was so funny. And my favorite part of it is like you're, I think you're kind of

just talking to yourself. You're like looking in the bathroom mirror like, what the hell just happened? And then from off camera, we just hear, shut up. And the camera pans over to nothing but the feet of Ms. Sharon Lawrence sticking out of the bathtub. That was so funny. And you're like, why the hell are you even here? It was such a good moment. That visual, though, of Sylvia just passed out with her feet kicking out. I loved. I was thrown off a little, though, because I And I went back to check. I was like, did we miss an episode in between the last one and this one? So I guess we had a hiatus or something because we, you know, we didn't acknowledge the entire storm and the car accident and broke almost dying.

It was very dramatic. It was a lot to overlook. Yeah, we don't have any of the post-accident hospital stuff. I guess because we'd done so much of it with Quinn and Clay. But it was funny. The only mention is you, Joy, when Haley's talking to Nathan and you go, she's just been through so much. year. And he's like, yeah. And that's it. That's it. I know. I know. There were several kind of throwaway moments of recap stuff, like Alex saying, well, it's no secret. I tried to kill

myself. So blah, blah, blah, whatever she said after that. I was like, whoa, that is, it's just kind of abrasive, I guess, to just come right out with it. I mean, I guess if that's your experience, you can own it however you like to. But it was, it kind of struck me as a, aggressive. I don't know. And then what was the other one? Oh, Chantelle. She was like, look, it's me after I was shot. Remember the water balloon hits her? And she's like, it's me shot. I was like, ooh, that is really blunt. I mean, okay. Guess if you're not laughing, you're crying. I think so. That's true. I think so. We grazed over all the trauma in this episode just so that we could get to the comedy. Yeah. And you know, I have to say I, because I had the same moment where I thought,

I think Quinn's in the back of the car and there's a conversation happening and I just found myself going, wow, we've, we haven't seen her talk to anyone about the like knockdown, drag out fight and she almost died with the stalker at that. Like, that's crazy. But I have to say, given the nature of this episode, I was okay with that. Yeah. Because I loved this ride. I appreciated that we didn't have to get off it to service any other past stories. It was just like, we're going to be fun for 42 minutes, and that's all we're going to do. And that was great. Because truly, it has been so heavy lately that it was nice to have like a pallet cleanser

of friends being friends and getting into trouble. We didn't even bounce around to any different storylines. I mean, it was just this, the whole episode, right? A little Nathan and Kellerman. Oh, Nathan and Kellerman. So it all tied together in the end. So it was really actually necessary. it wasn't like separated.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that. You two had a really funny bit in that kind of opening sequence when Brooke realizes there's a phone number written on her leg. Yeah. And Haley does the most mom thing where she just reaches down and smudges it with her finger. And she goes, oh, and then puts her finger in her mouth to taste it and goes, oh, it's chocolate. And Brooke goes, did you just taste that? And you just so nonchinal and go, I'm pregnant. But it's also such a mom thing, right?

Because you become so desensitized to having boogers, vomit, pee, everything on you that it's like, what's a little questionable chocolate? Yeah. Yeah, like whatever this is, how bad could it be? And honestly, major points for Dave Navarro. Dude. He really came to play. And he was such a good sport and he was so funny.

And he really leaned in. Yeah. He did. He got saddled with some horrible lines. Yeah. I wrote down the one he says like the first time we see him and he, when he's leaving close over bros because he's been locked in there. He's, you know, like a grown man who can't figure out to get out.

Anyways, he's, he goes, Brooke, you were amazing. I can't remember the last time I busted through that many condoms in one night. Oof. Can you imagine like being, you're going to be a one episode guest star on a show. you already are a public figure and that's like when you first get the sides and you're excited and you read that line I would love to know what Dave Navarro thought of that because you know it's going to mean something else but it's still just it's so heavy-handed it and gross we needed it though it was good it was good for it was good for drama well and the panic because he did it in a way that almost like in the sixth sense when you realize he's been dead the whole time and you go oh my god now

Now I'm seeing things I didn't see. He delivers the line. He doesn't play it really icky and creepy. He delivers it in this kind of excited, almost childish way. But you're like, oh, wow, okay. Yeah, he's a rock star. Oh, boy, we're in trouble here. And then when you realize they've had a water balloon fight,

you're like, oh, the guy's just probably not had any innocent fun in such a long time. And it's so, it makes the way he delivers the line. work when you realize what happened, it makes it work even better. And what a cool thing he was able to do. Because like you said, Rob, he's a one episode guest star. And he played against certain things you would expect the rock star guy to do. And I really give him props for that. Yeah, it runs parallel to what I was saying about all of you women that no one clung to any sense of vanity at all and just went all in on the comedy. That's an easy, especially I think if you're like a greener actor to be like oh this is the line where i say it like sexy or cool where i'm going to be like yeah

yeah and he like you said he didn't at all he said it so nonchalantly um that it worked it's it's also it's just funny because like there are so many ways to say hey i had a really fun time throwing water balloons with you last night to say i've never busted through so many condoms in a night is just a crazy way you're crazy but it's dave navarro maybe that's just, you know, that's how he sees the world. The fact that you guys really did commit so hard to the comedy and the, the vulnerability of being a mess on camera made the real dramatic stuff work so well also that, you know, I mean, Sharon Lawrence carried this episode for me because you guys got to all be running

around panicked and frantic and she was this like sort of driving force watching doing, you know, I don't know if she was manipulating things necessarily, but she was having fun watching. You know, she never doubted that you guys would find the ring. It was like she was kind of calm the whole time. And then when you guys got up on the roof and really started having it out, it was so raw and honest and open. And I don't know that that would have played as well if it had felt like there was

anything else in the episode that was disingenuous, like perfect hair and makeup and things like that. So it really, I think that's actually what made the episode so great for me was the fact that you went so hard on the comedy that the drama also could really drop in and be really connected and real. It made me emotional watching those scenes because I was already so invested. And, you know, when your emotions are high, whether you're crying or laughing, they're still high. So it's actually not that far of a connecting point to get to the opposite emotion. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world,

influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word. one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

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Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The ending of that, you guys yelling at each other, that gut punch about the, well, you're not going to be able to give my son a family. It was like, oh, no. That's about as low as you can hit, man. And going back to the, like, just the commitment of it, can we just pause and appreciate for a moment that we wrote Sharon Lawrence doing a keg stand into a script? And she did it.

And she did it. National Treasure Sharon Lawrence was doing a keg stand, you guys. Yes. Yes. That's incredible. That cut from all of us dancing on the table. over to her, I was like taking a sip of water and literally did a spit take in my own house, unwitnessed. But I was like, oh my God, it shocked me in the best way. And I think what I loved

about it is you see Brooke and Sylvia kind of at war and trying to figure out how to relate to each other. And in that way, some of the stuff that we know has made Sylvia so sad, it almost feels even better that she's there. You know, Brooks, like, why are you here? And Sylvia says, you asked me, you invited me, you know, they're trying to piece it all together. And watching her in that sort of montage with the girls, I felt like I got to see Sylvia have an experience that she didn't get to have when she was younger. Yeah.

You know, she's lonely. And she got to be one of the girls for the night. And in a weird way, Sylvia and Alex Dupray are kind of how. having similar experiences. And even though there's been tension or might be tension, they really are still being welcomed in for who they are. And it's so fun to see it. And it's really seeing her and Brooke bonding

and realizing that they have these things to share with each other, it makes that gut punch at the end even worse. Because it's like, oh my God, they finally got somewhere real. even though they blacked out. Yeah. And you guys were building on your relationship so much throughout the whole episode. Also, I don't know how I've made it 43 years, and I have never heard the term smother-in-law.

I know. That's so good. It's so good. I mean, speaking of the phone, that scene, her seeing Smother-in-law and then Sharon and Austin's whole misdirection with each other, his physical comedy in that beat, the way he leaps up out of that bed and is like, mom? Oh, that moment. Oh, my God, yes. Wait, which moment? When he calls, uh, Brooke and talking sexy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so terrible. I might have to misbehave by myself. Oh, I was like, no, don't say it. Don't say it. It was just so good.

And it is, it just plays on that universal thing that no matter how old you are, no matter how married you get, no matter what, your parents are still your parents. And you just don't, you don't really want to have that conversation with that. Oh, her expression. I mean, honestly, you could just put a camera on her face for an hour. Because she's always thinking, you know, she's always thinking something. And then you get to the end of it and she looks at me and goes, she'll give you a ring later. Right. just all of it was chef's kiss her advice to brook is so funny after dave navarro has done a lord's work and said some of those brutal lines and then leaves you know brook is devastated and sylvia's there to it's sort of initially seems like oh this is going to be a really sweet bonding moment where she's going to take her under her wing and give her some some nice loving wisdom and her advice is honey just

Don't tell Julian. Yeah. Like, oh my God, that's horrible advice. And luckily in the moment. And she was so sincere. She was so sincere. It was so good. You can see the, I guess that's a difference in generations, right?

Like, that maybe. I don't know. But I feel like in that generation, there was a lot of sweeping things under the rug. A lot of just, you know, life is hard enough. Just keep going. Just don't talk about it. But also, look where she is in her life. and lonely and I love what Brooke says back

about marriage being about people loving each other for who they are and the confession that she gives to Julian at the end was so heartbreaking and I'm so glad that it turned out the way that it did I think it is definitely a generational divide and I was really I was glad to see that even though it's I mean listen in my opinion it's not the right advice. I was both glad to see Sylvia try to have Brooks back, even though it's, you go like, no, that's not what you're going to tell her that. But you know why? Because Sylvia

doesn't remember anything that happened last night either. And, you know, everyone's kind of like, oh, God, you know, that's not real life. But it's, it's making excuses. And I love that Brooke is a person, maybe because she's been through so much, who just says, I don't want to make excuses and I don't want to hide anything. And that's something that I really, I don't know, I cherish that in people. And it was nice to see her say no matter how hard this is, I want to just tell this person what happened, what I know, what I don't know. I don't want this to sit between us. There's a version of Brooke earlier that wouldn't have made that choice.

And I really That's the beauty of being on a show for this long As you really get to watch these characters develop and grow And I love where she is that she's at that place now It's so beautiful Yeah, it's an integrity move Which has sort of been the brand of Brooke At least since I've jumped on the train, you know?

For sure. Because yeah, that's character, like, yeah, what people don't know It doesn't hurt them, but it's like, but you know But you know and it hurts you eventually Like it's just eating away at you Oh, that's the thing. I think you can say that, but then that thing is just going to fester. Always.

And it's like, I don't want to live a festery life. That's not the word I want to describe my life with. Yeah, it's not respectful. It's not loving. You know, because you're not protecting someone. You're protecting your own comfort. That's what you're protecting. Yeah.

You know, you are avoiding potentially making someone upset and ruining something you love. So you're really, it's kind of, it's just a selfish move. that you know people found a nice way to word around but like don't be virtuous like you doing that's not virtuous it's you being selfish and not being brave yeah that's right okay let me ask though i i i have never been blackout drunk where i really don't remember anything i don't know if you guys have but when brook was really freaked out about kissing this guy i for me i was like oh free pass like she was totally blacked out how could she ever remember like you don't know what you're doing when you're blacked out. Why is she so upset about this?

I don't know. That was my knee-jerk reaction. I was like, I mean, I guess I would be, I'd be upset that my partner got that drunk, but then you're like, but somebody did, like this was an accident. It's not like I went out and intentionally binge drank until I, like, that's a huge problem. I didn't take like nine tequila shots to black out. No, that's a different issue. Here's the thing that I think, and I actually do think even though the episode was rooted in so much comedy. We did a good job with this. I think the thing that's the most disconcerting is that she doesn't know what happened. Yeah. It's for sure. To not know what's happened to you is so scary. So scary. And I really think there's something in that because then

you're going, did I, even though I know I wasn't in a place where I could have chosen it, did I somehow choose it, did it happen to me? And I didn't choose it. And then that's also awful. And so I think it's the not knowing and the idea that in a block of time that you cannot recall, you might have hurt someone you love. Like, it's scary thing on scary thing, on scary thing. And that felt so important to be sort of rooted. in and then the comedy got to build around it of this essentially a scavenger hunt in reverse you know we'll go to the tattoo shop we'll figure out where the piercing came from wait she came in here with the nickname boots so where were we before and like and it just keeps going and it's so funny but

i i like that the root of the comedy is a true thing yeah super important for brook to live in that space, for sure, of the insecurity of not knowing what happened and what's going to happen as a result of what happened. I think just as an objective viewer, there was no world in which I thought Julian would blame her for that because it, she didn't do it this on purpose. Right. I don't know. I was curious what you guys might think about that. Yes, and is, because is it, is it an excuse to go, I just got really drunk? It's like. But she didn't. She just. did a normal amount of drinking where you could still be like although she did it's like she recognized julian

yeah she didn't she didn't remember things like that's not because of the smoothie she was ambushed she accidentally drugged herself smoothie ambushed yeah i don't know it's it's kind of six of one half a dozen of the other right where it's like you you don't exactly get a pass but you also can't be completely punished. Yeah.

It's not like it's nothing. Like, oh, well, whatever. But if I had a partner that came to me and said, you're never going to believe what happened, look, I blacked out. I drank something and I had some alcohol and I didn't, I don't know what happened. But I guess I kissed somebody at the bar last night, but I literally have no memory of anything that happened. And I wasn't out, like, binge drinking.

Oh, it makes my tummy flip. I hate it. Really? Yeah. I think here's the thing. If there's a genuine, like, chemical reaction that wasn't planned and had merit, that's one thing. I thought you were just saying if your partner came home and was like, I'm sorry, I got a little blackout drunk and I kissed someone, there's no, no, no, no. Yeah, if it is the accidental drugging of oneself, it muddies the water.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, no, no free pass on blackout drunk I made out with somebody. It's like, no, no, thank you. I choose not to have this in my life. Here's what I think is tricky. We watched the episode, so we know all of this was harmless, and then we know it turned out to be Julian in the first place. I had forgotten that.

And because we watch the girls, and we know these girls, and we're like, there was no malintent here. I think we're more likely to give them a pass. Yeah. I think if this happened to you in your real life, you would be hurt. I would be upset. I would also be like, what the hell? Like, you got drugged by a smoothie?

What? Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's tricky. And I think that's part of it. I think it's part of the reason why people that are involved in something can say and mean it. It wasn't like that. We didn't realize. And then everybody blacked out.

And you'll go, oh, okay. But if you heard about this through the grapevine, like a friend of, a friend's sister, you'd be like, what the fuck? That's not okay. So we, we give more of a pass to the people that we know because we know what kind of people they are. That's exactly right. And I think it's why people judge strangers so intensely, because maybe you're judging strangers as you are and not as they are. And that, that's part of the thing with TV, I think, because you get to know a character, you know their heart, you know their moral compass. You see them as more of a whole person.

And so I'm realizing as we're sitting here and we're like, yeah, but how great. And she was right and good for them. And it's like, yeah, if we heard this about a stranger, we'd probably be way less patient. Oh, yeah. If a buddy came to me and went like, oh, yeah, the new girl I'm dating, I guess she had a bad smoothie that reacted to some booze she drank and she made out with a dude at the bar, there's just no way in hell. I'm going, that's unfortunate, man. You should cut her some slack. Like, that sounds so outlandish and I'm sad.

But isn't that crazy? Because it could literally be this exact situation. And if you'd watch the episode, you'd be like, oh, no, absolutely not nothing bad happened. Those poor girls. How funny. This will be a great story in 10 years. And that's what's so funny to me is we, I think we give more of a pass, you know, to the characters because we actually watch it happen and we know they're good people.

Yeah. Which ironically is true of people in the world, usually, I would hope, that they're good people. But we're so like, that sounds real far-fetched. Well, also because it's TV and we're not logic-proofing everything. Because the fact is, I don't know of any vegetables or fruits that, when combined with alcohol, make you blackout. Like, unless they put a little like Benadryl in your smoothie, I don't understand the chemistry of that. A Valerian roots? And there probably isn't any.

Right. A Valerian root. Yeah. It's so funny. You do. In order to be a viewer, you have to be willing to suspend disbelief. And that's part of what makes it kind of fun. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge. honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist,

rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. the moment when Alex falls off the bull and there's that little I sort of took it as an homage to million dollar baby because it's just that close up of her falling off and hitting the railing with her head in a terrible angle but then of course and because then she falls out of frame and it's like it's very million dollar baby but then of course she does the Alex scene and she's like she pops up and she's like yeah it was so funny I just I thought that was a little wink and I just I enjoyed the heck out of that.

Super great. I've never ridden a mechanical bowl. Have you? I mean, how did that go for you? You guys have done that? Yes. The famous saddle ranch in L.A. Yeah.

I lived right there. I used to live right behind it. There's only so many ways you can impress a gal. And sometimes you just got to get up on that mechanical bowl and show her what you think you're made of. Did they have speed control on that when they were filming this episode for you guys? I'm sure. Totally.

Okay. I don't know how it goes. If it's like a ride that just goes at its own, you never know what to expect. No, it has levels. Okay. And there's someone manning the controls. So if you show up and like you're cocky, you are going to get bucked in a big way. Oh, my gosh.

Whereas if it's like someone puts their grandma on it, they can be very gentle with it and make sure she doesn't, you know, hurt herself. Okay. Was this a carnival job you had at one time, Rob? Listen, don't get into my history. Yes, yes. I did the tilt-a-whirl, and I did the mechanical bowl. I love that for you. I don't know why I've never done it.

I think I just don't like the idea of getting thrown off of something. That doesn't sound super fun. It's so fun, though. Is it? I guess I'll go try. And you land in, like, a bounce house-type flooring, so. Yeah. It's a fun one, joy.

I think it would be funny, though, that the first time you did it would be, like, once you're a mom. Like, in my 40s. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't going to date. you but yeah sure in your 40s uh i think that would be hilarious that you're like nah in my 20s i don't think so 30s nah 40s now it feels right now it's time yeah i'm due i'm overdue i'm in all right i'll send you a photo from the bull yes please it is really fun to play games and do kid things as an adult i think that's why the water balloon fight is so fun yeah and they you know there's nowhere in the middle of the night to get water balloons so they've clearly gone to a gas

station and bought a box of condoms. And I love that it's all these girls and these feather boas screaming in their party outfits, playing this water balloon fight so aggressively. It looks like a game of paintball. Yeah. And it is just, it's so fun that everybody really went, like the bull, full tilt. Hey, who was the crew member? Because a little BTS here. The gentleman eating wings with Sylvia and the wing eating contest. Yes. Was a member of our crew? Was he a transpo captain?

Yes, who either was employed as or was a volunteer firefighter, if I remember correctly. Yeah, that's right. Remember he'd come in his fire jacket sometimes? He was a big dude. A big dude. And to see those two side by side pounding wings together and have Sharon win was so good. The tie-in for her mouth being on fire, we had to wait like 40 minutes into the episode to find out why. Like, what is that?

And I loved in this walk-and-talk with these two girls. By the way, in full walk of shame, but shameless, walking barefoot down front street together, you know, Sharon has this really sweet bit about how she's never won anything. And she's thanking Brooke for this great night because now she's a champion. Yeah. It's so sweet. It's so sweet. did you either of you clock the fact that when brook finally comes home towards the end of the episode and julian's waiting for her he's stretched out on the couch and his feet are up and he's wearing shoes always everybody does that on this show all the time did none of us i mean did we just not push back on that were we just busy day like those are your outside shoes you have your feet up on the the the the

The throw pillows. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's such an indicator that those shoes were never actually worn outside. Yeah. It's an indicator of being on a set and that the shoes were never actually worn outside. That you just subconsciously feel so comfortable because you're like, nah, it's pretty clean.

Yeah. Well, and in my brain, you know, he's ready to go. They've got their rehearsal. I don't know. Maybe it was meant to show that she's late. I don't know. But, yeah, every time everybody puts their freaking shoes on the furniture in this show. It's strange.

I did love the reveal of when you get to the church and it's decorated beautifully that it was Haley and Sylvia. Yeah. Because first of all, Haley is obviously quite pregnant, as we know. Just that's good friending. And then that Sylvia did that. It just was the perfect setup for the repair that you two have. It's kind of this cool thing I was thinking about, like, I love that she invited herself to the party because it's sort of like you both want a relationship and it's just not lining up right, but you're both continuing to show up and push the buttons until you figure it out.

Yeah. Like no one dipped out. Like she could have just skipped town or left, but like she forced herself back in and then it finally created the right time. for you guys to, like, really drop it all, you know, have a heart to heart and, like, bond. Which was great because, like, I so want that for Brooke and for Sylvia. Yeah. Yeah. The level of humility that it required from Sylvia in particular, I think, to be able to set aside all of the things that she came in with,

all the ideas that she came in with about the wedding and about their relationship and who Brooke was going to be to her, that she was able to set all of that down and just continue to show up for her regardless of what her expectations were or desires. I love that, again, just like watching character growth, watching someone develop from who they were when we met them, even in this short amount of time to see Sylvia grow like that. That was really sweet, seeing her in the church.

And she wasn't rubbing it in Brooke's face. She wasn't like, if only you had known that I was doing these nice things for you this whole time. She didn't do any of that. She just, she was just there. Yeah. Well, and I think that might be part of why the big fight between them services that moment, right? Because for Sylvia to say what she said is so awful.

Yeah. And I think if that kind of outburst doesn't cause self-reflection, and for you to, for any human to do that, you've got to be able to say, okay, I've got to be able to say, okay, I've, clearly lost the plot a little bit here. Yeah. I'm being triggered by something or I'm, I'm being absolutely unhinged. And I thought that the circle back for them with Sylvia saying, I'm essentially saying I'm so stuck in the past that I can't be in the present. I'm missing my whole life. It's a big lesson. It's a big vulnerability. And I think in an interesting way, each of those women knows what that means and they both want to move forward yeah you know brook references it a little bit

with you know the lucas and patent of it all earlier in the episode and when you think about how many years brook didn't let anyone in because she didn't want to get hurt again this the circumstances are different but she knows what sylvia is talking about and in a way i think it had to be these two women who could help each other kind of get to the next phase of their lives, because in this instance, Sylvia's helping Brooke, you know, accept that her best friend is never going to move home. And that's hard. And, you know, asterisk on that sucks that, you know, there were behind the scenes politics, because at the time, we were told that our friends who played those characters were invited back for this episode and turned it down. And, you know, here's...

really all this time yeah and and i remember even at the time hearing that and like you know our shooting schedules were so crazy and whatnot and i knew if i knew that wasn't true i'd be so upset so i didn't ask hillary until like a couple weeks after we filmed the wedding if that was true i was like hey i just like want to know i won't say anything and you know we didn't we didn't talk about it probably for years, but like, even then I was like, oh, I'm really sad if this isn't true. I'd rather think they were going to come and then were unavailable because of other things they're shooting than think that the grown-ups in the room are so petty, they're not even going to be invited. Yeah. And like, it's interesting that in a way we were

processing something on camera that we were processing off too, you know? And I think it's another example of of brook's integrity and her just high-roading the hell out of the situation because I mean look at what was said right like what she threw in sylvia's face is the truth so it wasn't mean listen the way she delivered the message uh was kind of devoid of compassion but she she was speaking to a behavioral choice and what sylvia did was cruel she attacked something that's out of Brooke's control. There's nothing actionable for Brooke to do there. It was a very, very mean thing to do.

So I think her decorating the church was a nice gesture in the right direction. I think to me, where I really saw grace was in how Brooke handled it. That was the appropriate move for Sylvia to begin a repair. And I think to see Brooke be able to accept it, that was where I saw the grace in the scene Because she, to me, was the one who really got really, really wronged. Yeah. That's a nice observation, Rob. I'm listening to your talk thinking, God, I'm just so glad Rob is a dad.

I'm just really glad you're raising kids. You know? Nice, buddy. To have good men in our corner that want to really analyze emotions and things is like, oh, that's so nice. I'm so glad the camera doesn't pan over right now and you see my three-year-old drinking Mountain Dew and lighting fire. works off by himself. So let's just stick with that narrative. You've got keep the frame right here.

Okay. Thanks for saying. I appreciate it. And I liked the button on the end of it all with Haley being asked to be the maid of honor. Yeah. Yeah, so sweet. She's the one who showed up. Yeah.

And it has been a really sort of special amount of time, right? You get, we've gotten all of our season seven. We've gotten half of our season eight. to get to see Brooke and Haley's friendship, not that it wasn't there before. It's always been, you know, since we became friends early, it's been a great relationship. But I think for both of these women who've been juggling a lot and going through a lot in these last two years, let's call it, to have a moment, it sort of was like, oh, it's the first moment where they've really gotten to pause and talk about their friendship, because they've been so busy living it.

Yeah. And it felt really sweet. And putting out fires. Yeah. Yeah, I really liked that. They've had so much going on and it was just, it wasn't even a long scene, but I loved that we got to have it. And I like that we were up in that balcony kind of removed from everything. Yeah, you know that quote? I've been thinking about it a lot lately. If they wanted to, they would. Have you heard that one?

Yes. Sort of all over like the Instagram therapy and stuff. But I love it because it's true, right? Because I will, I am guilty of giving people infinite benefits of the doubt and creating a story as to why they weren't able to do the thing or whatever, you know. And I like this because it's like, Haley wanted to. And she did. Yeah. She didn't talk about it. She just showed up for her friend.

Yeah. That's so awesome. What a terrific act of love is just like, I see you, buddy. I'm here to make your day special. Didn't make big fanfare about it. Just quietly doing work. Yeah. I always appreciate that.

That's so nice. It is really nice. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of a year. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls

became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn SageBurn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare

and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, we got a question here. Hey, nickname Katie Perry. That's cute. Can we just pretend it's the real Katie Barry? Yes, please. Let's pretend it's the real Katie Barry. Okay, Joy, take it away. Okay, we learn in this episode that the bachelor-bachelorette parties are on December 7th because of the T-shirt revealing the tour dates.

Oh, look at that little detail. They all miss that nugget. However, there are no Christmas decorations and anyone's homes in anyone's homes or the stores or the town. Was this an oversight or why was December 7th chosen as the wedding date? Oh, I do not know. Can I just tell you Katie Perry, you know, the musical genius, I kissed a girl, all the other songs we know and love. You pay such good attention to detail. And I just, besides your musical prowess, like, you're a great viewer.

So thank you. Yes, I'm really impressed by this question. I didn't notice any of that. The only thing I could think is, was that an actual tour shirt of Dave Navarro's? Because if it was, then it was just because that was the, oh, wait, no, but that band. didn't go to Wilmington, right? No, definitely not, because we had to make a tree hill. Oh, yeah, Tree Hill, what am I saying?

Yeah, so they had to make that. And when did this stuff air, though? I guess this is after hiatus, so we would have aired this in December for fans? Well, I don't know, because it says up here... Oh, yeah, when was the air date? It aired January 25th. Weird. That just seems like an oversight.

We might have had to film this before our... our holiday break. So yeah, I wonder, I wonder if it was an actual James Addiction shirt and maybe they just ironed Tree Hill over another city. I wonder if the art department was, if we were actually filming on December 7th. That, like, that was the day they were making the t-shirt and they were like, it's December 7th. I guess. Who knows? I don't know. We never did any holiday anything on our show. No, we only did Thanksgiving and Halloween. That's right. What are you doing? Christmas episodes are so much. much fun.

Do you guys, am I the only one who loves a Christmas episode? Oh, yeah, I love it. I feel like the reason we didn't is because the decorations are so expensive and they have to go up all over town and inside homes and outside homes and across the street. Like, you know, with the things that I just think they wouldn't have spent the money for an episode. It's like, that's why people make Christmas movies because the entire movie, the decorations are up the whole time, so it's worth the money. But we could have done a, what do they call it, a bottle episode, a capsule episode? Yeah, where it's just all in one place and, you know.

Yeah, you could have decorated one block of Front Street and then had us all at Nathan and Haley's again or something. Yeah. Oh, missed opportunity. We have a Valentine's one coming up apparently, though. That's kind of fun. Well, we sure do. Oh, and Jamie did create that Christmas for Lydia when she died. He created that little, like, Christmas tree, Christmas in July.

Let's be honest, he half-assed it. It was a real nice. That's five-year-old. Let's critique the work of a five-year-old. Honorable mention, most likely two. What do we want to do first? Dog on a skateboard. He was utterly professional.

Oh, my goodness. Honestly, I would give my honorable mention to all of our background actors in this episode because the parties wouldn't have worked if they weren't all so great. from the frat boys to the people at the mechanical bull bar, everybody doing the wings. Even the lovely girl who played the bartender when I'm freaking out about how I kissed someone because I'm engaged and she goes,

yeah, you told me like a million times. Everybody was so good. And you just can't shoot an episode that relies on a crowd without a great crowd. So hats off to all the people who helped make us look nuts this week. Yeah, it was great. Did anyone else notice that the frat house was Delta Beta DB?

And I was like, was that a joke because frat boys are often douchebags? Oh. Or is it just because it's just not a real fraternity and they just made it up haphazardly. But I was curious to see the way they portrayed the guys because if they were real dinguses, I'd be like, oh, Shana, good one. That's funny. We should ask her. Da Vinci Code something that's not there. My honorable mention's just going to go to Shana, the writer of the episode, because she just nailed it.

And all the little details, every character had their shining moment. She wove in the drama and the comedy so masterfully. It was a really, really well-written episode from top to bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Should we spin a wheel? Let's do it. Let's spin.

Oh. Most likely to order dessert before. dinner. Rob. Yeah, if we're going real life. Robert Buckley, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, I have zero impulse control around food, so I'm going to say in real life, it's probably me.

And what would your desert of choice be, sir? Listen, if it's a place that makes a legitimate chiro, say no more. How about you? You're at a restaurant. They go, hey, we have an amazing pastry chef. We can make anything in the world immediately. What would you like? Anything immediately?

Yep. Oh, man. It's like a food genie, but you only get one wish, and it has to be dessert. Sov? I had an answer, and then when you said anything in the world, immediately a chocolate crepe popped into my head. So I changed my answer to a crepe. Okay.

I really like Pavlova. Oh, Pavlova's good. Europe in Portland. Do you go to Papa Hayden ever? No. Okay, there's a restaurant there, unless it closed during COVID. It's called Papa Hayden, and they do. unbelievable desserts and they do this

really great. They have like a baked Alaska, they have Pavlova. Say less. Well, you'll go, you'll enjoy it. You'll go, you'll enjoy. Get the Pavlova. Well, gang, as usual, I managed to force food into the episode, so I think that checks the last of our boxes. Thanks for joining us, everyone.

Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next week for season 8, episode 13, the other half of me. Bye. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O-T-H.

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