Drama Queens - Give Me Moira • EP118

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

The Drama Queens are overwhelmed with love and excitement as their friend Moira Kelly aka Karen Roe is with them to discuss "To Wish Impossible Things".Hilarie, Sophia and Joy share with you why Moira is such an inspiration, mentor, role model to all of them.  Hilarie gets emotional as she opens up to Moira about her life changing decision to leave One Tree Hill. And, Moira reveals the lessons she learned in Wilmington. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens.

We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama, girl. Chearing for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, drama queen. You can be a smart girl, rough girl, fashion with your tough girl, you could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama, drama queens, drama, Queens. Hey guys, welcome to episode 18

to wish impossible things. There's a rule. We all have to kiss at midnight. Everybody kisses. I'll kiss you at midnight. This comes out right at midnight. We're kissing right now via Zoom. Yeah. Look at us. This aired April 13th, 2004. Synopsis, it's like the boy toy auction. People talk about this. Every convention we go to, it is a fan favorite. Lucas, Nathan, and sweet, sweet Jake, our auction off to the highest bidders in the annual boy toy charity auction and the night leads to surprising

developments with old flames meanwhile having missed out on the auction brook ends up with mouth and gives him the night of his life honestly i just have to say it's really sweet sweet poetic justice that the person who sells for the most money at the boy toy auction is marvin mcfadden god bless yeah 200 bucks deserves it yeah baby did you guys ever have anything like this in your real high school? I went to all-girls school. I had nothing like this. Yeah, no, we didn't do anything like this. I mean, I think, like, obviously, if this was girls, we all would be throwing it for everyone. Oh, yeah. No, like the whole auctioning off thing is gross. Yeah, we all felt weird about it. It was also really weird to me that moms were buying boy. I was like, I don't like this.

And I loved, I actually really loved the misdirect of Barbara being like, yeah, I've got chores. Like that makes more sense to me if the moms are going to participate. But I thought the writers, like, they just leaned into the sex jokes so far. So much. She committed. She did it. And she did it with this innocence. But I was like, they could have really, they could have dialed this back a little bit.

I mean, come on. They set those two giant round candles right in front of her boobs when she was cleaning the tub. Yeah. So gross. It was so immature. Come on. It is. It's very immature.

Yes, 2004 was a rough, rough time for all of us. Oh, man. You know what I loved about this? One of the things I loved about this episode was that we finally got to see Barry laughing and smiling a lot, which we saw in the last episode too. But finally, he's like getting to play something other than the grouchy old wise owl. Like when Brian comes out as James. Jake Jigelsky in the Ravens mascot outfit, that is Barry laughing. Yeah, yeah.

That is a genuine, he lost it, he's cackling, and it's so nice to see that on camera. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I love it. The whole arc of like these kids trying to act like grownups, no one's got parental supervision, Brooks out at clubs, but meanwhile, the adults are acting like kids in this episode, like going on these, like, little flirty, dates and digging up the football field you know i like that juxtaposition of of people trying to find

their way you know yeah and that even adults still sometimes feel like like that we still play we're still we still we still feel like high schoolers deep down yeah yeah well how old is karen supposed to be in this if she had lucas when she was 18 and lucas is 16 years old don't ask me to do mad guys sophia she's a smart one she's supposed to be 34 yeah 34 oh my gosh Yes, you're a kid. She's a kitten. She's a kitten. Still a kid.

Well, speaking of kids, speaking of being just a little kitten, we actually have the incredible Moira Kelly. Woohoo. Bring her in us today. Get her in this Zoom room. Hello. Oh, my God. Hello.

Hello. Oh, my God. You look exactly the same. Oh, my God. It's so beautiful. Well, when we consider how many years have found. I'll take it. Thank you very much. Where are you right now? Right now I'm in Flower Mountain, Texas. I just got back from England. I was in London for five months

working on a project. So just got back eight days ago. So a little but other than that, good to be home. Yeah. How long have you been in Texas? Because what I loved so much moreover is that when we started the show, you had your children, your husband and you just like moved in like a community member into the like greater Wilmington community and and really made it home yeah yeah we had the house we kept the house there for a while because we liked going back but we've been here now almost eight years my husband we moved here for his job so yeah it's all right it's a you know no it's right now we're not going to go into it i just keep telling everyone i grew up in new york so yeah

yeah yeah but you get to travel to places like london to go shoot for five months you know i mean that's kind of the great thing about our job is no matter where you are we're going to be traveling at some point to go do something so we get that wander less fed still exactly so where are all of you now oh my well i'm in new york come back join us join us yeah yeah Hillary's got a farm in the Hudson Valley. I'm not surprised, Hillary. I am not surprised. You are a multitasker and a farm

treats you. Yeah. It's true. Well, everybody else has farms, too. We all became beekeepers. Joy lives on a ranch. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Got chickens and bees. Like, we all ended up turning into busy ladies. I think

I like it. Busy hands keeps us out of trouble. Indeed. We marveled. as we started watching the show back, that you were pregnant for the first, how many episodes? Six, seven? Yeah. At least until Karen goes to Italy. I mean, that was your mat leave.

That was my, yes, exactly, exactly. And that's, I think the episode we watched was my first one back after my son was born. I think that was in March, right? February March. Yeah, probably March, because I think I had three months down. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And now he's a senior in high school. So it's just, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. We're not that far off. I mean, Hillary and I aren't that far off. Our oldest kids are 11 and 10 and we're, you know, it's coming up. We can, they're not that far away from graduating. I think it's so amazing when I think about when we were all starting the show, I was kind of where you all are now. I had small children, you know, and now mine are off to college and about to go to college. You were also only 13 years older than Chad when you were playing a mom who had had in.

When you were 18, I mean, what we were just saying before you came on was how wild it was and what we loved about this episode is seeing adults really being the way that we are, even though we're, you know, quote unquote old ladies, we actually still feel. like we're 16, 17, 17 inside sometimes, and we really got to see that in this episode with Karen and Larry especially. And I mean, how did that? But also, I just wanted to tie it into you being so young, playing the mom of a teenager. I mean, you must, we all looked up to you. We were all, you know, little kids. In all. We were in awe of you and we were just so, you know, you were just so impressive. But how did it feel for you? I'm just, this is the question I've been dying to ask you for years. How did it feel to you to be on the show and that young and in that environment? I'm just dying to know. Well, I think it's like any character that you play, you know, I still wake up

feeling like I'm 25 and then you look in the mirror and you're like, oh my God. You still are come on. What the hell happened? You look so young. I think what's interesting is that, you know, for me now, being older with older kids, as I view my parents differently, I don't think as you get older, feel older. You physically might in certain ways, but I think your mind and your passions and your dreams, they still hinge on youth and young and vibrant. And to answer your question, though, any character you play, I mean, you kind of immerse yourself in that character. And even though I was only 13 years older than Chad, you know, the role was of Karen, his mom. And she did have him young. And I think that that kind of helped to play into the bond that she had with him.

You know, she was still very youthful herself. Yeah. And I think it really reinforced their special bond. Yeah. I guess being a part of, and girls help me out, because, you know, I'm not quite as well spoken as you guys, but when you were on the set there, you know, still feeling, did you still feel like you're the same age as all of us? Like I do when I go on set and I'm working with kids that are younger than me, I still feel like, I'm like, we're at the same age, right? This is all the same. But we didn't have, we didn't like spend a lot of time hanging out because, I don't know,

we were just so in awe of you. And so. I was intimidated by you, Moira. I'm just going to say it. Yeah. You were the boss. I was the ball. Well, we just.

You were. We were so scared to talk to you. No, I don't want in your gut. No, no. No, not in a bad way. Not because you were putting on any kind of air. No, no. We looked up to you then, in the same way we were discussing before you came into the Zoom,

and we were like, oh, my God, she's coming. Oh, my God. We still have this just like all a Twitter, sheer excitement, a reference for you, your career, the things you'd worked on, the movies we'd watched over and over and over and over and over again. And we were like, she's going to be on this show? She came here to do this. Oh, my God.

Did they get you? for this show, Moira, because I remember them being like, well, we've got these other folks and, you know, Chad, I met before and I was like, okay. And they're like, then we've got Moira Kelly. And I mean, I know all of us were like, to pick. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And with honors, yeah. It took us weeks and weeks and weeks and maybe months to finally be like, okay, okay, we keep trying not to say it around you, but can we ask you questions about the cutting edge, please? And you were just like, Okay, these silly little kiddos. How did it come about?

I mean, I feel like I was in a different place anyway. Again, I had one child and another on the way. And so when I was working on One Tree Hill, I felt like I really treated that more as a nine to five job. All I could really muster was doing my job and then getting home and being with the kids. And so I always felt, that I was kind of not on the outside,

but I wasn't as immersed in all of you as I usually would have been. And getting the job, you know, in the industry, when you decide that you want to make other choices for yourself, you want to take some time down, you want to get married, you want to raise family, you want to have those other things, the industry sometimes puts on blinders then. And then it's a little difficult to be able to say, okay, I'd like to go out and audition and I want to get a job. And One Tree Hill actually was the first thing back after taking time down with my daughter.

Really? Yeah, and it was an uphill battle, really. Wow. Not to get One Tree Hill, just to kind of get back into the roster of auditioning. getting, you know, agents and reps to, you know, put your name out there for things. What's interesting is after One Tree Hill, I did it again. I took 12 years down. Good. Good for you. You know, my husband and I talking about it, we were like, for us, everyone can, you know,

everyone's different and you handle things differently. But, you know, we both realized, especially for me that if I go forward in my career, it takes you away a lot, you know. it expects you to either uproot your entire life and move them around or takes you away. And, you know, I personally couldn't do it. So I felt like fingers crossed, I'll get a chance to break back in. But I don't want to miss any opportunity with my children because you can't go back and raise them again. You know, that's right. Yeah.

That's beautiful. And I really feel like I've been blessed twice. You know, after 12 years, I managed to get a project last year. here in Texas and then went off to London to shoot for five months. Well, you have such a strong reputation as a wonderful actress. You know, the body of work behind you is speaks for itself. And I would never, would never think that you could go away for any amount of time and not be able to come right back and have everyone go, oh, Moira Kelly.

We love her. Fantastic. No, reality is reality. The industry is not kind to women. Men can do it. Men can. And they do often. But women just don't really get those.

opportunities. As much as your beloved, as much as your body of work is, I think for women, we're always kind of on that precipice of no matter what my body of work looks like, if I'm not willing to jump right now for them, you know, I might not get a chance again. And that's changing, I believe. I think so too. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor

Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare. And, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.

This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Something that I've observed, and it's really interesting, watching friends be at various stages of this, it seems to me that when men have families, when men make choices, people go, oh, good for him. And strangely, when women say, I'm going to take a moment, I'm going to go have a kid, and I'll, you know, then I'll throw my name back in the ring. there's almost this energy of, oh, but you're not really going to come back because now you've

had kids. You know, you can't possibly be a mom and have a career. And it's like, have you ever said that to the guys? No. Right. It's such an odd thing. And I have to say, thank you for even just sharing that part of the story with us because there are moments when we have discussions on our show and we realize I can almost feel the folks at home nodding along. And I know. And I know. know that you being frank about that will make, it doesn't just make all of us feel seen in the choices we've had to make, but I know there's people listening at home right now going, that's exactly how I felt. And why was there a double standard with my partner? And I think, I feel like I can see how it informs so much of life, you know, in the time from when we met

and the three of us would follow you around like little ducklings and be like, where's she going? What's she doing? Do you think we can ask her if we can have dinner? She's sitting on the steps of her treasure. Should we go say hi now? But it's funny because I see so much of the way you all have navigated these things now. And it strangely makes me want to ask you questions as a performer and how you prepared for our show. Because one of the things we all keep coming back to is for the character. Obviously, the writing is the writing and you do what's.

on the page. But so many women in Karen's position, having gone through what she went through with Dan, having this young baby, might have wanted to leave a town as small as tree hill, might have wanted to move back to where their parents were, have extra help. And Karen stayed and faced it and firmly planted her feet in the ground. And we have been dying to ask you, how did you build the backstory? What choices did you make that made Karen remaining in that community? make sense for you as an actor. What's under the curtain, Moira? There's nothing really under the curtain.

It's your life experience. You know, I think really, again, I'm going back to the idea of I am a woman. I'm speaking from a woman's point of view. You come up against a lot of obstacles and you come up against a lot of challenges, starting at a very young age. And you can either,

dig deep and choose to stand your ground and fight for what you love, work real hard for what you want, not listen to the naysayers, not give in to the fear and the doubt, and keep finding a way forward. And I feel in my own life, you know, I've had those moments where I've had to say, okay, is this where I get stopped? No, no. You know, you say what you want to say, you know, tell me what my choices are, but I know what I'm capable of.

I know what I want and I'm going to find a way forward. And I think that translates over to Karen, you know, why should she leave the town she loves? Why should she make it easier for, you know, Paul's character, for Dan to not have to look at his son. Why should she give her? Right? No. No. I think in a lot of ways she kind of embodied the inner soul of again, not just women, but anyone who comes up against that wall is, is handed burdens that people say, okay, you might as well just crawl away. And they decide, you know what, no, I'm stronger than that. I have more that I want and I'm not giving up

just because this has been put into my path so I think that's really where it came from for me. You embodied that behind the scenes though too, Moira. You were the first woman who I had ever met that had a script that she was working on, that she was like, you were like, I'm going to direct. I have this script. It's a true

story i don't know if you remember i mean i'm sure you remember and the fact that you shared that with us you know i i remember falling down that rabbit hole like researching the story that you wanted to direct and being so impressed that just on your own you were at home writing the script and doing the research and trying to raise money and that blew my mind and it shaped the entire rest of my time on one tree hill because then i was like well i i want to to do that behind the scenes. That's what I want to do at home. That seems like a fun hobby. And so when you directed the show and we got to greedily have you on set all day long, as opposed to these little scenes here and there, what was the process of you directing? Because I feel like

it was always a no-brainer that Paul was going to direct because he's like, I'm a director. I'm a guy. Trust me. Did you have to convince them to let you direct? Or was that an offer that was put on the table because it was one of the highlights of our time on the show, having you home of the chef. No, I wasn't offered, but it was at one of the, it might have been like the Christmas party, one of the parties, I went to very few of them, but the one that I did go to, I remember Mark and Joe DeVola coming up to me and they were telling me about how, you know, they're going move forward with the kids' storylines and, you know, the adults were going to be cut back a little bit. But was there anything that I wanted or I needed? And I just said to them, I said, I want

direct. That's what I want. Yeah. You can give it one to a lot of people. I want one. So make that happen. You should have had more than one. Yes. The reason why is because I think the first one came out so well. I really feel like there were a number of people who were, I don't want to say they were expecting me to not do well. But, you know, it is kind of, it kind of is a boys club a little bit. And no, you don't say. A lot of a bit. Okay, let her have her little moment. And what I loved was when Craig Prange came to me and he said, not only are you under budget in filming this, You have had days where you've had downtime for the crew because you got everything done. I'm like, and why are you so surprised?

I've been on enough sex. I love it. Yeah. Also, women can't afford to do that when we're doing our work, when we're directing. We can't afford to have days go long and go over budget because it's, it's, oh, see, there you go. That's why you got to, you know, stick with the boys club. Yeah.

That's the response. So, no, we work overtime to be able to get everybody in under time. Exactly. And I love where the industry is going now. I find that more women in production, more women who are opening production companies and producing more women directors. To me, I'm just, this is what it was like in the early, really in the early 1900s. Before the banks got involved with making film, women were a huge part of the film industry.

They were grits, they were cameramen, they were directors, they were writers. It all changed once the studios went to the banks for money to invest in films. And then I guess what the banks figured were women weren't really smart enough to handle the money. And that's when everything changed and women kind of got blocked out. But, you know, there's been a lot of big shifts and changes over the last, I'd say, five, six years. it does me proud to know that anyone who has been kind of pushed out now has a voice, now has a stage in which to step out and make something happen for themselves. And it's happening in big ways in the industry and it really excites me.

How did you get involved in film, Laura? Like, was your family involved in film? I feel like, did you have musicians in your family? Yeah, we're all a bunch of musicians. my dad's musician. I've got three or four siblings and I'm musicians. We grew up playing music in high school. I was on stage doing production, but I always wanted to get into music. It was kind of a fluke that I ended up auditioning for an agent. And in a couple of weeks, he handed me a script and said, I want you to audition for this. And that was it. I started my

career and started in film and then television of films. So I'll be honest. I never dreamed of being an actress ever. Really? I knew I wanted to be on stage. Wow. You're so good. With a big band singing and dancing and doing all that, but never really dreamed about being in film and television. Have you been playing music in Texas? Oh yeah, guitar, writing some songs. I've also got two other scripts that we're shopping around. Yay! Oh, that's going to make me cry. Yeah. So I think for me, that will be

my end game is I want to be on the other side of the camera. Yeah. You know, I enjoy acting. I get a lot of fulfillment out of it, but I really do like sitting in the control seat. I like control. I like having a vision on something and working collaboratively with a crew.

For me, some of my favorite people on a set are the crew have always been. And I get so excited when so many talented people come together to make this thing happen. And when it's your vision and people are working really hard to make that happen, it's so exciting. So I'm hoping that my future holds more directorial opportunities for me. Let us help. Yeah. What can we do to help? Because you are so, you're such a talented director.

you're so keen and you have such strong instincts about, you know, what I love, I talk to Paul a lot about directing and, you know, one of his favorite quotes is directing is quality control. That's really what it is, is quality control. And I agree because if every, if you trust everyone in their departments to do what they're doing, you just are there to sort of steer the ship a little bit, but you can trust that everyone's doing what they're doing. But that's what's great about having a director like you with such a strong instinct and knowing how to just come in and just give a little tweak, a little note here and there,

you can feel, especially because you're an actor and you're such a sensitive artist, that you can feel where the emotion of the, where the music is in the scene emotionally and take us on that journey. And I always felt that was, sorry, my dogs are barking, but I always felt that we feel a really strong suit of yours. Yeah. Now, Bethany, you directed us as well. Well, right. I did. Yeah. Everyone's calling me joy. Don't worry. I know it's confusing, but just call me what you always did. It's okay. It's like a secret code. I know. I know. Tell me about your experiences with that. Yeah, I loved directing. I mean, that was, I think because I had directed

theater a lot when I was, as I was growing up, you know, in high school productions and some stuff outside of that. And also had been on sets for a long time, especially doing the soap opera. Did you ever do a soap, Moira? No, no. I mean, you're on a set. It's every single day and it's all day and there's just so many, you know, pages and pages of dialogue and you have to get used to finding the rhythms really quickly. So I think that really helped me be able to, especially in TV, it's not with film. You have more time to rehearse and you have time to practice something and you're shooting one scene all day long with TV. You've got to find the movement. Another quote, remember hearing from a director on our set was find the music he would say that to the a camera

operators like move with feel the music inside of you of what's happening emotionally the metaphorical music of course um so i think being a musician really helped with that having an experience on on the soap and doing our show for i think six years before i directed an episode really helped that so if you directed too right yeah yeah the last three seasons and i think I agree with joy, you know, having this sort of the container and the rhythm of our show was incredible. It was an incredible first foray into that. For me, you know, growing up working for my dad and being in a photo studio, it was the visuals. It was all the camera stuff that made the most sense to me.

And so Peter Kowalski, you know, who became our DP, we had such a rhythm. We had such a blast working together whenever I was directing. And then, yeah, the quality control, the hurting cats of, like, figuring out the cast. Like, God, directing parties at Trick. I was like, how do people do this? It's insane. Where is everybody? You know, but it's such an amazing experience because it does teach you truly how many moving parts there are.

And I think, you know, something that we all have spoken so much about on this podcast is feeling the way that you just referenced, Moira, that we just really ride or die for our crew. crew. And man, if I wasn't already so obsessed with the people who make a show happen, directing, I was like, everybody should be paid more. Everybody deserves flowers and cookies. What more can we bring to the set? Do we have prime rib at catering today? Better food. Like, what's going on? You know, because you're just... Everybody. Like, you realize that it's just, it's such a labor of love. I do think we're all so, so lucky. And it gives you a whole other understanding. It's so fun, the puzzle piece, too.

You're putting together a puzzle looking for, what's not, something's not making sense. Why doesn't it make sense? I know why it doesn't make sense. Dang, this little piece. Okay, do this. Think that. And then we'll see it in your, in your character's eyes. And then it's like, boom, the whole scene comes together.

It's just so fun piecing a puzzle together like that. Yeah. And it's nice to get your feet wet on something that you're comfortable with, too. I mean, having been on the show for a number seasons, you really get a feel for the locations, for the characters. So, you know, it makes it a little easier than for you to come in. And what I found exciting was find a new way to show something that's been seen so many times, you know,

just, you know, inject something a little different into an actor playing a character and see they'll take it someplace else. You know, discover the layers that are there that haven't yet been exposed, which is, Oh, so excited. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Well, we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacist. Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok, from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it? couldn't make. Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

If you could have done anything different with our show, as the experienced female actress on set, what would you have done different with One Tree Hill? Was there anything that stood out to you? I will say it didn't stand out at the time because again I having a small family and just looking at my work on that really has a nine to five like yeah usually when I work on a project I would love hanging out with the crew on the weekend hang out with actors go out to dinner do you know go to all the parties I was in a different place in my life and you know hearing honestly what all of you young women had to go through um I've done one of you get choked up. If I could go back, I would have made my presence stronger there. And I felt like, you know, being somewhat of a veteran, you were also very young coming into this situation. There's a part of me that feels like I let you all down. Oh, my God. No, no, no, no. No, I know. I know. It's just my own. But if I had been more present, I would have been more aware, maybe,

what was going on, I surely would have said something. I surely would have done something. And so if I could do anything, go back and do anything different, I would make my presence so solid on that show. And I would have made myself so available to all of you. You were. You were. This is the first time I've seen you since I left the show.

And I wanted to. to tell you this for years and years and years, but in the last episode of the show, everyone in my world was telling me, you can't leave, you can't leave, you know? I didn't direct, because I didn't want to be on set all day, because it was so bad. And I was in my hospital gown, sitting in the lobby of the hospital, because Peyton was like strapped to a table. And you came and you sat next to me, and you started off by just joking. And you were like, you know, what's going on?

And I was like, I don't know what to do. And you said, run. And like you, so you, you like started it off with like a joke. And I was like, yeah? And you were like, you said to me, you said, there's so many chapters in life. And this is just one. This is just one. And you were the only person that gave me permission to go.

But I so valued your opinion of me and of our business. and the way you prioritized your family over work and that's what I wanted like what you had is what I wanted so you didn't have to say anything because you lived it

and we could just like see it so I hope I get to see you in person and like actually hug you but like I have wanted to thank you for that honestly since I was 26 years old and I'm not 26 even close anymore it's been a lot of years But you did that.

Like, you just set such a positive example for us. And you were safe. You didn't have to put any extra effort into it. Yeah. And, and, Moira, I have to say as well, it's such a double standard for women and so deeply unfair that that responsibility should have even energetically fallen on your shoulders. None of us are supposed to go to work and deal with it.

and and you were not supposed to have to give up time with your infants to come and use yourself as a shield for your coworkers. It's wrong. It's just wrong. And manage the chaos. You inspired us exactly in the way that Hillary is saying when you would say exactly the right thing in the moment that everyone needed to hear it. And you did that a lot.

when when we got to see you know you and your husband and your kids i mean i swear to god i think it's the reason we were all trying to settle down so early we were like we just want to grow up and be like moira like if we all get married right away we looked up to you and and you you set an example by being and and it's a profound um it's a very profound influence and and it was a gift for us from the really committed and classy way you show up to work to the way that you showed us

it was possible to do this job and be an actor and be a producer and be a director and be a mom. You proved it. And so we're just still deeply obsessed with you is really the point. If you're ever hanging out on your trailer stairs, we're going to come by and lurk. Oh my gosh, true. We all have to get together and do something. Yes, please.

to see you. I just want to hug you all. And yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I'm glad that that came through. I think it's really important for all of us to be the strongest best examples we can to the people in our world, you know, everyone around us. And we do that through our actions and through our words. And, you know, sometimes we don't realize how we affect other people. I'm very grateful to hear that it was all. coming through. And it was all positive and wonderful for all of you. Yes, it was. I still think about that when I'm on sets and when I'm, you know, thinking about prioritizing my time with my daughter, there was a permission that you gave me and all of us to be able to have boundaries, still show up and do your job, but have a boundary for yourself, taking care of yourself. That is, you led by example. and it's so valuable. I truly, truly still have images of you sitting in your chair, working on your material, totally available and open. It's not like you would ever disappear and go hide away. You were always present. But you had an air about you that was so warm and

inviting, but you still had boundaries about your work and your own self-care. And those images come to mind on days when I'm on sets. And I think, like, I'm giving more than I need to right now. I'm, I've done my job. It's okay for me to save some for me and for my daughter. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And you have to claim it because they're not going to give it to you. No.

You really do have to claim it. And then be okay with that. You have every right. Yeah. I know. Have your kids ever watched the show? No, believe it or not. That's good.

That's good thing, Laura. I think the only thing they've watched that I've ever done was the Lion King. Oh. To my kids, I am still, you know, my son is actually going into film. He wants to be a cinematographer. Really? Yeah. So we talk a lot.

We go to movies a lot and then we do, we kind of do a mom's son movie night, and then we discuss. That's so cool. Where does he want to go to school? He's looking at NYU. Oh, really? Yeah. fingers crossed. Yeah.

But, yeah, to me, I've, you know, I've always just made. the mom's status, you know, um, they're proud of my work, you know, even though they haven't seen it. They're proud of what I do. Uh, they're very supportive. But, um, I'm okay with them not being interested in seeing it. Yeah. They had a lot of friends. You're not going to make them sit down. And, um, they would come over to the house and they'd come into the kitchen. And I had so many moments of these kids just stopping in their tracks and going Karen!

One to Hill, your mom's Karen. So I had a lot of your friends, like, really tongue-tied, and then coming over a lot. They're like, oh, we just wanted to stop by and say hi. It's cool. And talking about different episodes and different characters. You know, what's so interesting about the show is that it really is somewhat timeless.

You know, especially when I think about that episode, to wish the impossible dream. Is that what it is? Yeah, to wish impossible things. That's it. You know, we all have, when we're young, we have these dreams and aspirations and places we want to go. I think I said it a little earlier.

And even though we grow up, we make mistakes, things do change. The effervescence of those patterns. and ideas and those dreams are still there, and they're very universal, even as you get older. You know, like Karen can go and dig up that time capsule, and everything in there is so outdated. But the joy of what that was, and the reality of coming from that place to where she was, that's the point, you know. And I think that that's timeless and quite universal. It really comes down to relationships, you know, the dreams we have, the things we aspire to

can only really succeed when we are genuinely and sincerely in relationship with others. And that's shown in that episode across the board. I mean, Hillary with you and, what can't I think of his name now? James. James. Thank you. You know, you had a history, but there you were together being able to be honest and sincere with each other. Joy with you and Lucas, it was a past, you know, that you had that was a bond that is unbreakable.

And then for you, Sophia, Sophia with a mouth, who I adore. I absolutely love him. You're both from two entirely different worlds, and yet the sincerity and honesty of what happens in that night, that's what you carry on into the future. That's what fuels those dreams and those aspirations, you know? We even got to see it with Whitey in this episode. I mean, to see Whitey have fun, because he loves that school.

It's like that community, the relationship, the relationship there for him to see the joy was fun and to know that it's multi-generational. Yeah. And to know that, you know, things change. Your dreams change. Your goals change. Things change. But those bonds that you make, those moments that you share that are genuine and of the heart and honest,

that's, you know, the tapestry of life. That's what you build your future on. And that's what, you know, helps you find that way forward. and gives you strings. It's what Haley's tattoo was. She's like, if I can just remember this feeling forever, that's your time capsule. Do you have a time capsule tattoo? Me?

Yeah. I have two. I've got a little crescent moon on my right ankle that I got when I met my husband because he had one. I just remember your husband biking all over Wilmington. Yes, my little cycler. And then before I went off to London, my daughter and I each got butterflies on our left ankle. You just got one with your daughter? That's so cool.

Yeah. Wow. Wait, Moira, we would be remiss not to talk about London a little bit because you are coming out with a massive series. Citadel is you and, oh, my God, Stanley Tucci. We love him. Priyanka Chopper, Richard Madden. I mean, what a team. Can you tell us a little bit about this and tell us.

the folks at home when it's coming so so we can all be ready the only thing i can tell you is it is called citadel it's on amazon um the first season should be released in november 22 oh so long yeah it when i tell you this is me it's the biggest groundbreaking television experience they've never they've never done anything quite like this but that's all i can tell you we all had to find it's exciting i thought game of thrones did that i thought Westworld did that. What are we going to see that's bigger than that? I'm so excited. It's pretty impressive. It blew my mind once I was finally allowed to hear the overall scale because we were left in the dark for quite a while with it just because they didn't want

information getting out. But the week I was rapping, the producer sat me down and told me the entire scale of it. You didn't know until you were rapping? No, we were all really kept in the dark. You only really knew what you were expected to now. Only Moira Kelly can take 12 years off and come back to the business to do the biggest show in the history of television. That's right. That feels right. That feels right.

I love it. Moira, will you come back for the episode that you directed? Will you come back on our podcast? Yes, I would love that. I really would love that. And I love that you girl, see, this represents what I was talking about. The three of you have made a bond over the years. And to see the three of you together, working together on this podcast, still sharing your lives is, it just gives me great joy.

Me, what you have built in working on one tree hill together goes beyond one tree hill and will carry you very far. stay close to each other, stay strong for each other. Because it's a beautiful thing. It's an absolute beautiful thing. Thank you, Moira. We love you so much. And we're so grateful to spend time with you. The best.

Love you so much. Now, stay safe out there. Okay. Okay. Tell your son to get up here to New York so you and I can just brunch while he's in school when you come up for parents weekend. It's so good to see you, Moira. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. for everything. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, my God.

Everyone's just crying. I'm going to need a minute. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly. very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20. years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wow, I love her so much. She was such a constant, steady presence. I mean, I meant every word that I said, she really gave us permission to be everything that we needed to be and also take care of ourselves. Yeah. Which I didn't know how valuable that was. I didn't know I was learning that lesson until now, like, until I've been older with a child on sets and I'm suddenly remembering, wait, it's okay for me to just sit here and read a book or work on my script and not have to make sure everybody likes me and walk around, making sure everybody's like, I'm talking.

to everyone and doing all. It's okay. Like, I can just be here and be available, but take my, because I remember Moira, we're just sitting there and doing that. It was such beautiful permission. It's so, the pressure of, like, wanting to say thank you to someone for so long. Like, she's just so easy. She's so cool. And that makes you want to say it even louder, you know? It's just like, oh, my God, you don't know that you save. my life. Yeah, I don't know what would have happened to me if I'd stayed, you know. That moment was amazing, Hillary. I met my husband. I got, my son exists because Moira Kelly told me to run, you know. And so I did. And, um, yeah, I just think about how different my life

would be if she wasn't that one person to give me permission to just go. Yeah. Because she had it. We, we all were little. And to us, it was like, you can't go. Like, what do you mean? We didn't know anything else. This is our place. It was like, this is our, this is ours. And for her, it feels like her being able to see through really what was just a container, a chapter.

Yeah. And, and give you the kind of advice that she modeled in what Joy is talking about, just taking permission to do what you need, that that's okay, it was a lesson that no one else in that container, in that world that we shared was teaching us. Everyone else was saying, what more can you give? What more can you do? How can you, how can you give more of yourself to this? And it's revolutionary for a person to say, what do you need? Yeah. it's so special she's just such a class act and you know we that was the kind of the strange magic

of our show is that we had a lot of tacky shit in our show i mean we've got strip clubs in this show we've got going to the club we've got boy toy auction with like kisses at midnight which doesn't make any sense you know and then it's it's countered by this total classy woman and and and You know, like really earnest moments in some of these relationships. So that duality, maybe that's the magic. Maybe that's what makes the fans, like, buy in because it's not too schmaltzy and it's not too perverted. It's just the right amount of schmaltzperv. Is that a term?

I like schmaltzperm. Fresh out of flesh. Fresh out of flesh. Oh, my God. Gross. You know what I loved? In the moments watching, especially this budding relationship. with Karen and Larry and the whole thing.

I didn't see it then. But watching this episode with you guys today, I was like, oh, man, the parents are just people trying to figure out what they're doing, who they like. Parents are people too. They don't have the answers. Nobody ever has the answer. Like, nobody ever gets it all figured out.

And when we were young, we thought, well, eventually we'll be grownups and we'll have it all figured out. Yeah. And they just so beautifully and so vulnerably were like, we don't know either. We're just testing the waters. Well, and Karen gets put in the biggest pickle ever in this episode. We all jaw dropped at the end.

Oh, that proposal. She's got one dude kissing her in the kitchen and then another dude on the front porch with a ring. With a ring. Literally, one guy leaves out the back door and the front door bell rings. Good for her. And she gets proposed to. Gosh.

Well, they're turning it up to 11. There were some big moments. Brooks' big announcement at the end of this episode. episode, which was, I thought for me, when she says that to him, when she says, I might be pregnant, it has to be real and she has to be terrified. And so that that was the choice I made for her. Yeah. But I know it was a bit of a, it was a bit of a fight. And I appreciated when we were having it. Hillary was in my corner being like, yeah, that is fucked up. And I was like, thank you.

I didn't like, we were upset. It just felt, because it did. It felt. We felt a responsibility to set a good example. I think that was a huge part of it. You know, how many young girls were watching this show and how many girls related to Brooke and, you know, we're learning to look up to the different aspects of all of our personalities and journeys.

Yes. So we felt that responsibility. Well, and Brooke had become so beloved at that point that for anyone who was like, I want to be, you know, I'm team Brooke. you never want anyone emulating behavior like that. Yeah, I wasn't going to model the bad behavior. I wanted to have a conversation about the

hardship that happens to a lot of young women. Especially because you had such a sweet episode. You had such a sweet, like, episode of like, I'm a little girl who's got big feelings and no one picks me. It was so sweet. I think also we know the medium that we were in with that show and the network and the sort of space and how much we could trust the writers to or not trust them to handle, you know,

if we're talking about, if we're talking about different material on a, maybe a different, I don't know, the network at the time or, you know, just a different space, different medium, having a character who is using the words I'm pregnant as a manipulation, I have no judgment on that as an actor because, you know, you could trust that there are places where you could trust the writers to actually take the audience on a journey with that character, to understanding why that was not the right thing to do. You know, what does she learn about her life when she says something like that, how that affects people? Yeah. You know, that's a journey that I'm interested in because I've no judgment on the behavior as much as I just would like to see

the journey to redemption from that bad choice. But in our medium, in our show, as we've seen, we were talking about last time, we blow through storyline so quickly. Yeah, we don't get the payoff. Right. There wasn't a lot of tender loving care to watching someone make a bad decision and seeing how it affected them

and everyone else around them and then bringing it back around to redemption. We didn't have proof that that was going to happen. So 100% I get why you were fighting for that for Brooke right then. The proof is this episode of emancipation? Where was that court? We never went to court. It's so crazy. And by the way, Joy, you know, I don't want to give away what happens in the next episode, but I still didn't win the fight. There still is. They still leaned into her having the information before and then weaponizing the information. So I only, I only, I only, I only was 50% heard. And it is interesting because it is the cliffhanger. So it's the only reason it goes past one episode because

normally we don't really see. Like, Nikki, showing up at the door. I will never, I will never get over the casual. Yeah, I'm emancipated. I got an apartment. Like, how long did this take? When did they go to court? Where was the fight?

Who said, where did he get the money to pay first and last month's rent? Like, what? There's just an apartment that looks like a set from Dexter? Of course, Pete and says, what are you going to do? Kill me in here? Like, what? It's so crazy. They just needed less parents.

In a show where there were only, like, 40% parents, they're like, how can you go get a bit of that remaining percentage? Oh, I know. They don't get it. In the span of half an episode, we're going to put him in an apartment. And all the adults behaving badly, too, I mean, whitey with booze in his desk. Can you imagine? Is it illegal? It's so illegal.

By the way, if you're a teacher. In a high school, it is. But it's like such a common thing, like, oh, the teacher with the bourbon in the desk. Where does that come from? Because they don't pay. teachers enough if you that's right that's it i'm gonna go out and be the voice of dissent here and say you can have as many bottles of bourbon in your desk as you want until they pay you and then hey i'm down power through um heartbreaking quote from brook in this girls just want someone who wants them back

i don't know if it's just girls or if everybody wants that but that is definitely uh that's definitely true and that hit home for me it did for me too and and something i loved about it The representation of really tender platonic friendships between men and women in this episode, being willing to be vulnerable about their feelings and their experiences. Haley and Lucas, Nathan and Peyton, Brook and Mouth. I liked, it felt to me like the representation for Brook and Mouth was really about, I get that it looks great from the outside, but on the inside it's terrible. and it it reminded us to look a little bit past the outside of someone.

And I just loved that these people who thought they were so different really shared an understanding of each other after that night. Yeah, I loved that too. The confession thing is it's a big deal. For me, I didn't really get to work with James and scenes that weren't contentious. And this was the first time that we were like being, friends and like fun with each other and I'd been such a bitch for the first what episode is this 17 I'd been such a bitch for the first you know 15 16 episodes about the sexuality of all of it and so

I finally in this episode get to say to him I haven't been with anybody else like you're the only person that I've been with and that's a big confession because he just assumes that she's off you know hooking up with other dudes And I think that maybe boys assume the girls move faster than they do. You know, when I was single in Wilmington, everybody thought I was sleeping with everybody. Nobody. Like, there was nobody. But if you're loud and kind of, you know, I don't know, out there, charismatic, people make assumptions.

I loved seeing that Nathan and Peyton were being so, they were setting us such a good example and being so sort of mature about the fact that, I mean, two people who have in high school, if you're sleeping together with somebody in high school, that bond is so strong. Those bonding chemicals are so strong. And the fact that we've just been brushing it off like, oh, now Nathan's with Haley. And there's just like, oh, they just flipped the switch and it's friend zone now for Peyton and Nathan is really silly and basically impossible for teenagers to do. So I loved seeing the two of them acknowledging that there were still feelings that they still, you know, You know, not so with so many words, but they were still, I still felt the chemistry between them

and that it would be easy to fall back into, into each other, but that they were both really good people with good consciences. And they're like, we're not, that's not where we are. We're not going to do that. You know, we're going to, we're going to really hold the line with this friendship. Yeah. Saying the hard things out loud. I liked that it wasn't just a, they took it a step farther, which is something I think we're not accustomed to. Not only did these people lean into the tenderness of their friendship, but they also got really vulnerable about the things that so many young people are self-conscious about. Like, we did use to do this, and it was nice, and I had feelings for you, and I'm trying

to figure out what this new context is. And even for him to admit, you know, I think I might have been flirting with you. I'm sorry, I don't know how to talk to you. And she's, like, yeah, you dummy. And they laugh about it. It's, it gives these kids permission to find each other in a new way and to have a genuine friendship, not a pretend one. And I think that's really, for all the things that we say, yikes, we modeled a bad thing here. I'm like, that's actually, we modeled a lot of really good things in this episode. The frankness seen Larry do the exact same thing with Karen. Yeah. The Peyton and Nathan were doing where it's like, I'm just going to say the thing that needs to be said. And when he brings up Keith and he's like, Keith is a good

guy and you've got history and I hope I didn't make it bad for you. Like on a first date, that could be a weird thing to say. And instead, it comes off as like, I care about what's going on in your world. I hope that it's not an obstacle. But if it is, I respect you enough to acknowledge it. Yeah. Yeah. You know. I loved that. Yeah. Just say the awkward thing out loud. You'll feel better. Say it. Say it. It's hard It may look different, but just say it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why.

Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Well, we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacist. Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it? didn't make. Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to talk about some behind the scenes stuff.

Like, the boy toy. A, we had a conversation while we were watching the episode about why they never built a gym. Like all nine seasons, we never built a gym. But also, I want to talk about how uncomfortable James was at the boy toy auction. Sweetheart. And I want to talk about the water balloon fight. Okay, so go. You guys pick up with you first.

Yeah, Hillary, you've got the inside scoop on the gym. So the gym situation, this was a constant struggle because because we were shooting in a real gym, it meant that we had to film Sunday through Thursday, which was not. And we drove to Bergau for that most of the time, right? Was it a little? No, Lainey was up 17. That was a hump. Oh, that's right. But it was a hump.

had a perfectly good high school in town, New Hanover High School, which is in the middle of all of our characters' houses. But we went up to Laney because that was Michael Jordan's high school. And I think the allure of shooting in that gym, yeah, like, oh, yeah, because none of us were Michael Jordan. And Nathan picked Michael Jordan's number to be his number. It was a whole thing. So we sport. Yeah, sports. We shot in that gym and it was bad for the crew, because because they're not seeing their families. You know, we're dealing with an IOTC strike potentially because crews work 18-hour days and they, you know, everybody's divorced and no one has relationships with their children.

And that's not right. So them having to work on Sundays was really gross. What we got out of it is that a lot of them brought their kids to set on Sundays, which was lovely. You know, they come in their little Boy Scout uniforms and, you know, Little League football uniforms. And it became an issue in like season two where. it was like, we've got totally empty stages. Why don't we build a gym? Why don't we build a gym?

And it was because the authority figures on our show, and I agree with them on this, realized that if we built it on a set and it became something that could be moved, the way any of our bedrooms or any of the interior houses could be moved, you just pack up the flats on a truck and you could take it anywhere.

It was when Georgia was getting a really strong tax incentive and it was when South Carolina was getting a really strong tax incentive. And so by not building a gym, it forced us to stay in Wilmington. And it became an anchor that secured the location for the crew. So it was a thoughtful decision. And I agree with it. And sometimes you just got to play the game. You know, it's like, L.A. is like, where's cheaper?

Pardon the pun. Yeah. L.A. is like, where can we get the most money? And it took, you know, the producers who were actually on the ground in town to be like, no, sorry, guys, we've got this gym. We can never leave. I love it. That's great. All right.

Next up. Who's next up? You, the balloon fight. The water balloon fight. So. Tell us about it. Was it freezing? It was very cold that night.

It was very cold. The water balloons wouldn't break. What? So this, and there was one in particular, it's the first shot, which was I had my, had my back turned and Lucas grabs a water balloon and throws it at me. It hits your shoulder. And it hit my shoulder. And we, I was hit in the back of the head with that water balloon 25 times. They didn't pad you? No. What? I mean, it's, I was like, it's a water balloon. Whatever. Like, who cares? The water balloon. You know, you could hit like, okay, 10 times we got to do this

water balloon thing. It wouldn't break. Sometimes Chad would miss so it would hit my head instead of my shoulder or you know whatever but they just couldn't figure it out and it was the strangest thing because uh you know a few times it's like fine but after a while you really just it's hard to separate acting from real life oh yeah you just started to feel like i was getting beaten up on like i was it was i was back in sixth grade again you know with kids like did you feel like they were playing a trick on you with like these aren't real water balloons like i guess i don't know it just felt like can't what can we why can we not figure this out why do I have to just keep getting hit over and over yeah over yeah over and over again oh babe and like yeah it's just really

it actually made me cry I got really emotional I had to walk away I was like because it it wasn't about it wasn't painful it was I mean it was water balloon it wasn't painful it was the fact that I was just I just had to stand there and take it and just take the hit over and over In front of 40 people, you know? Yeah. Like, it's not fun to be the one that's like, is everyone laughing at me? Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't, and nobody was, I mean, nobody was laughing at me.

I think it was more just that I, I don't know. I, I, I don't know, whatever, I said it all. I just, I just, it was, it was very difficult and exhausting. And that was, that was a hard moment. And I always think of that damn water balloon fight all the time whenever. You do. Whenever, I think of it all the time. I'm like, oh, that water balloon, a damn water balloon.

They just broke me down. It was like, they just took me right back to sixth grade. It really, really bugged me. So anyway, I'm glad we finally got it. I don't know what they had to do, like maybe poke a hole in it in advance or something like that, but we finally got it. I walked away. I had a cry. I didn't let anybody know I was emotional.

Oh, honey. You know, of course not. I have something in my eye, guys. I got to go. You're sorry. It's cold out here. My nose is running. I know.

So that was the one thing. I'm glad that that's over now and I don't have to watch it ever again. But James, I remember during this boy toy auction, so we got the script. We were like, oh, my gosh, they're doing a boy toy auction, hilarious. We all felt a little weird about it. And as we talked about the moms and all that stuff. Has anyone ever been to like a... But I just, it's like, why would high schoolers do this?

I don't get it. I don't know. But I just remembered James, you know, they had to paint, like they were painting boy toy on his chest in the makeup trailer and he had this jersey. And he was, to their credit, to his credit, all of those boys, they committed a whole, a hundred percent but i just remember james being so like this is so dumb i want to do this yeah i don't want to take my shirt off guys brett was all about taking his shirt off brett was like oh yeah brett was down i'm a smoke show i'm amazing yeah brett had so much fun with it and was so

funny and those zebra undies oh my god him in the man panties is really a moment but he was also 10 years older than james you know like had james ever been naked in front of a girl before we don't know he was like he was only 18 child they're like come on kid take your clothes off poor guy he well he really went for it it was great he plays cocky so well though like you wouldn't know yeah he does i know yeah he came out on that stage with so much confidence which is so wild to watch given that we were all in the makeup trailer being like no dude you're going to be great it's okay it's you look great no really this is it's going to be so funny we were you know you know just trying to, like, encourage him.

And then you see Nathan just being like, yeah, I got this. And it's so opposite. And it's just so sweet. Maybe he cried too. Right? Like, maybe he did. I can't believe we forgot to ask Moira about this. But how fun was it to see after Karen revealing to Brooke that she was once,

the captain of the Tree Hill Ravens, to see Moira doing Ravens cheers while Larry's digging up the time capsule? I loved that. That was so fun. She didn't have any problems learning her routine like we did. She seemed to make out. Yeah. I was like, I wonder how many days Moimer got.

Oh, gosh. Should we spin the wheel? Do we want to do? We should spin a wheel. Let's spin a wheel. Let's spin a wheel. Most likely to. Be an employee at Tree Hill High as an adult.

Who? wasn't. Well, I mean, Haley was. Antoine wanted this. Remember, he said skills is the coach of the basketball team. Yeah, right. And yeah, Haley's for sure the principal. Unless she's on tour. Did Luke become a coach or something? Did he? Yeah, he and Antoine were coaching together for a minute there. Because remember Lindsay came to the basketball game? Yeah, it was a whole thing, guys. Remember, we got trapped in the library. That was a rough one. You're right. You know what? This actually leads us into Holly's question, which is pretty great, because she asked,

if you guys didn't watch the show at the time, how did you know what was going on with the characters? Did you read the whole script? Did you do table reads or did you just chat with the other actors about their storylines? Oh my God. Imagine if we'd had the resources to have table reads. Table reads. That would have been amazing. What a luxury.

That would have been amazing. I read the whole script. Same. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're professionals, Holly. we are we are well and it's also really important you know i will say on a show like ours a big ensemble like this even in the things we're talking about for this episode these parallel paths of

um haley and lucas patin and nathan brook and mouth if you don't read the whole script you miss that all of your characters in their separate scenes are doing versions of the same thing you miss the themes if if you don't read all of it and i don't know Also, somebody else might be talking about your character and giving information that you don't. Yeah. Tusha. Yeah. We like to have answers.

We are ladies who like to have answers. So we read the whole script. I'm super nosy. Who are they kissing? I want to know. What are they doing over there? Awesome. Well, this was such a good episode.

I like it. What's next week? What do we got? Next episode is episode 19. Guys, 19 episodes? How can you be sure? dun dun dun dun that that's where we get into from going from trying to advocate to having to not judge your character joy's right you can't do that you got to lean in oh man we're going to get

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