Drama Queens - Good News/Bad News • EP403

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

It’s “Good News for People who Love Bad News.”   Hindsight definitely proves to be 20/20 as the Drama Queens ponder why Brooke and Peyton are always at odds when it’s really the fault of a boy.  Hilarie, Sophia and Joy dissect whether Nathan’s behavior can be passed off simply for being Dan’s son and don’t even get us started on Matt Barr… This episode had great banter and amazing zingers alone but when you factor in the drama… it becomes a recap from the heavens.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys, I love this episode. I loved it. Yes. Same. It was all the things I like. It was basketball parties. Yeah. And real witty dialogue.

Everybody had some, there were zingers. There were singers. There was great banter. We had people actually getting into things. I also love when... I love when we start to get vulnerable about, like, why we're being the way we're being, which is so nice. This was a good one.

Tell them what it was, Joy. This one was season four, episode three. Good news for people who love bad news. Goodness for us, I'll tell you what. Yeah, I guess that's fitting. Lucas and Brooke, now broken up, clash at a post-game party, and Haley realizes that Rachel is plotting. Mwah-ha-ha-ha.

To seduce Nathan. Meanwhile, Peyton connects with her half-brother, ish, maybe. ish. And Rachel reveals that she knows who is pregnant. Also, Skills takes the court with Ravens Basketball Team, which is my personal favorite storyline of the episode. Let's get into it. Yeah. We had Mike Harrow and David Strauss write this episode. And they're, you know, they're bros. And I give them shit for some of the stuff that they wrote in earlier seasons because it's very like brocentric. But we also have to understand who they were working for. When they write our episodes, I feel like they practice the dialogue with each other. Yes. Yes. And that's why it's so like... It always feels good. When you're writing with another person and you get to bounce the ball back and forth, you can just tell because this was a tight script. A lot happened. And there was never a moment where I was like, wah, wah, wah. Yeah. I like that they also just as writers are willing to just find somebody, they found somebody they know it works with. And they were just like, we're just doing everything together. This is a winning combo. Let's do it this way.

I think there's a lot of writers out there whose ego won't allow. them to do that. But it really, if you find it and it works, it's a great formula. Well, Anne, you can really feel the fact that they bounce off of each other, it informs the banter in the whole episode. You know, like one of the things I loved when we were watching it is there's that big, you know, Brooke and Rachel have a tete-a-tete by the pool after the party. And Hillary, as soon as the scene ended, you were like, the banter. And like, that's fun feedback when you're watching something and you go, God, I loved that dialogue. Not just that people bring it, but that what they're saying is really good because, you know, we've lamented

and made fun of ourselves that we've had to make some real bad dialogue. Good. We've had to, we've had to commit. And so when you get to commit in a scene that is so well written, it's like, it's a dream. It makes it so much easier. I mean, that's, it really helps. It's, it's one thing that we're good at making bad dialogue work. But when you can really tell the difference when the dialogue is actually good because there's a natural flow. And we've said this before that acting is mostly listening. And if you have a good script, all you have to do is be in the moment and listen to what the other person is saying and what their body language is saying. And you can respond and your response should fit what's on the page. Or rather,

what's on the page should fit what you naturally feel as a response in the scene. And if it's badly written, then you have to kind of do double duty because you can't just respond with what should be said. You have to respond with what should be said underneath the actual words that were written on the page, which is hard to do. So when it's a good scene and it's well written, it's just it flows. It's so nice. It's a relief. I loved that scene with you and Rachel. They're friends in real life. So the friendships that we get to examine in this episode are great. We've got some awesome Lucas and Skills scenes. We have great mouth scenes talking to everybody. Great Brooklyn Rachel scenes. Like all of the friendships are getting to kind of show off

and it's because you have two people who genuinely like each other making a thing together. It's great when like the behind the scenes informs what we're seeing on screen. Well, here in the beginning, my first question was how is, where was Hayes? Where was Bailey, she was, we first saw her, oh, she's in her cheerleading uniform hanging up a post or something. My first question was, how is she keeping this pregnancy a secret for so long? I mean, how far along are you? Well, it's been at least a few days or a week, maybe since, I don't know. That's a really long time to be married and keep, I get keeping it a secret if you're on your own, but to be married and not tell your spouse.

I mean, I mean, how long did she keep the Chris Keller secret? Is Haley a secretive person? It's like a secret keeper, I guess. I didn't know this about her. You know what's interesting? I think, like, in so many of the ways that I went out of my way to, like, build community because I grew up an only child, I know what it is to sit on something for too long because you're worried it's going to make other people uncomfortable.

Yeah. Like, that's my Achilles. heal like the the thing that was meant with love but that really psychologically faked me up in my house was that the motto was always let somebody else be the problem and it was meant to be like show up and help and and you know always be a helper but what it taught me as a kid before my brain was fully developed was like never ever ever be the reason that there's more stress in a room so it took me a long time to unlearn that and and it's so interesting that you're like maybe she's a secretive person and my response was well Nathan said he doesn't want anything to get in the way of his dreams and it's playoffs and he wants to go to college and he needs to get a scholarship so Haley probably doesn't want to tell him that she's pregnant until after the playoffs are over like I'm immediately justifying why she's making sure she's not a problem that fits yeah that totally tracks especially a girl who grew up in a house with a bunch of siblings too I mean that could be an only child experience like you had or a big family situation big family and it's Haley

It's just like, honey, we have to deal with all these other problems with your brothers and sisters. Like, you're the good one, right? Yes. You're good. We can leave you alone. Yes. You know, I get that. And I wonder if there's a little bit of that, especially, you know, I know, I know,

I know we were in our 20s by this point in the show filming season four, but as a teenager, there really is a lot of pressure. And I think it's incredible, you know, we talk about it a lot, especially with your, you know, your kids and Hillary Guspi in the age. and how things are different, but some things are the same. And there really was in this era when we were doing this work, there was a lot of that, like, you know, be a good girl, don't get in his way. Even the narrative of, are you trying to trap him? Oh, my God.

You know, this whole thing. Yeah. So I wonder if she's just really, like I have so much sympathy for her not wanting to ruin something. especially after all the trouble they've been through yeah and once she says it it's out yeah oh and because and then you never know like maybe she'll you know the pregnancy might not last and so she doesn't want to that happens she doesn't want to create a lot of drama uh in the event that you know it it doesn't work and so you know then there's all of this aftermath to deal with and i can see how haley would just be like i'm strong enough i can just weather this on my own it's fine i'll say something when

I need to say something. And, you know, it, I don't know, it tracks emotionally for me, like, as a viewer and as Haley's friend. I don't know if that's weird. But also then, like, when I zoom out and I go, well, and what's happening? Why are they doing this? I'm like, oh, duh. Because they want the misdirect that Brooke is pregnant.

Yeah, yeah. They want, you know, the audience really thought, oh, my God, Brooke Davis is pregnant. And, like, Peyton's trying to do with Lucas. extra great secret keeper. Yeah. What a good friend. Brooke is secretive. Yeah.

But it's, that I think is really, it's a good reminder to be like, oh, right, right. It has to carry out for episodes because it's going to be this big Mr. Act and dramatic reveal. That scene was interesting between Haley and Nathan because he gives this whole speech. I mean, he clearly has PTSD. This child has been through as much, if not more, than Peyton Sawyer, right? Like, driving cars and walls and his uncle getting shot and, like, you know, like, just tons of trauma. Remember when he was on drugs, season one? Yeah, yeah.

This kid has seen it all. And his dad beats him? Yeah. His dad has hit him multiple times. They're trying to kill each other, his parents. This child is in a shitstorm. And it gets boiled down. down to this speech where he's like, when I play basketball, all of that goes away.

And I can't make up my mind whether I think that that's corny. And it's like the boy version of how every problem is solved if you get a boyfriend for the girls on our show. You know what I mean? Like, all your problems are away. I don't think it's, I don't think it's fake. Oh, go ahead. But that's the thing.

It's like I just go back and forth between being like, is this one of those quick fixes like what we do for the girls but just the guy version or like you know is this a legitimate thing is it a coping mechanism for young people to be like I just get to check out for two hours awesome I mean didn't it doesn't that ring true for you growing up in theater with like family like I we had a lot of drama in my family growing up and man the second that I got to get dropped off at theater and walked in those doors and got on stage oh it was like pure relief pure joy, pure freedom. Yeah.

I don't know. Did you guys feel that way if you were feeling stressed at school or if you had a lot of stuff going on to be able to have a safe, did you have a safe place like that? I mean, I lived at school. I would get dropped off an hour early to go do student government stuff and I wouldn't come home until 9 o'clock at night. Yeah. Doing after school shit. So something you're good at. It feels good to be doing something you're good at.

Well, it gives you your high school is when you are separating your identity from your parents. Because before you get your license, before you have your after-school activities or your whatever, you hang out with who your parents tell you to hang out with. You go to the restaurants, your parents tell you to go to. You go to church if your parents tell you to. Like, you have to do all those things. And it's only when you're kind of mobile when you're on your own that you can say, you know what, I'm not going to do that and I'm going to do this.

And so seeing these kids flex that and be like, I'm not getting involved there. I'm going to go create this own little bubble, my own bubble. That's good. You just made me think of something that I genuinely had not connected those dots about transport before. Because for me growing up in like a blended family in terms of even faith. Yeah. Like I grew up going to Mass. My mom was raised Catholic.

I grew up going to synagogue for all the Jewish holidays. And it's like one of my. my favorite things about my family is that there was this breadth of you can examine all these things like you can read all of the books what what to you strikes you as true in all of them yeah if you reduce them down what's the common thread yeah and like that was such an inspiring thing for me as a kid and it's like i never thought about the fact that prior to being able to drive if you didn't get to go and explore a bunch of things just by the you know happenstance of like luck that you might have been curious about something and literally never had the opportunity

and and i think about how much i was able to to kind of find my own identity because i had all these different places to go and i wonder like i wonder if that's why you know the first time I went to sleepaway camp, I was nine. And I came home after two weeks. And my parents were like so worried that I would be, I would just be so homesick and whatever. And I, this little nine-year-old, I looked at my parents and I said, I loved it. Can I go for the whole summer next year? Yeah. And my mom was like, what? She was heartbroken. But like, in this moment, I'm realizing, oh, my God, that's the place I got to go and be an individual all on my own. Like, and it didn't matter that I couldn't drive

because I would get on a bus. I would go to camp and then I would do all of the things all by myself and I loved it. And it's like I still to this day people will be like, you were a camp counselor, weren't you? I'm like, yeah.

So I found myself. It's like, it's truly where I found myself. And I don't know, I'm having like a completely existential moment of going, wow, I didn't tie like the beauty of that freedom to the reality that I couldn't go anywhere without a ride for another eight years. Yeah, you don't think about that when you're...

I didn't think about that at all. That is wild. Well, it's fun. Kids have to have their little bubbles to find themselves. And, you know, Nathan's finding it on the basketball court. Our other kids are finding it, you know, Skills is finding it, which is Joy, you said it, man. That storyline won the episode. So, yeah.

Long overdue. I'm so glad to see Antoine getting his own storyline. Yes. That sequence was great on the basketball court. You really felt like the rush of energy that he was bringing to the court. And I thought our director did a very nice job of showing at the beginning of the game just sort of the nice, steady traveling shot, watching the guys go back and forth. And then when skills got on the court, it was like, bam, bam, boom, up close. And then they're like tussling. and it was just really exciting.

It was gorgeous. And it's really cool, like, to see. I think it's been something that's been so electric for us as viewers watching James play basketball because he's such a good basketball player. And Antoine is such a good basketball player. Like, every but all the other boys on the show had to learn some basketball skills to act like basketball players. Yeah. But those two, they play in leagues.

Like, they are so naturally inclined and good at the sport that now to have two of them on camera is like electric. It's so exciting. And yeah, even knowing that we were going to watch it and like we made the show, I was so amped. I was just like an amped viewer. Yeah. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

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What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts. or wherever you get your podcasts Antoine is a really good actor and I don't feel like he gets his due because everyone is assuming that he is just taking what's on the page

and like giving it a little bit of polish and like making it funny, right? This episode saw skills so grounded and calm and in the scene with Lucas and the bleachers where he is nervous and he's serious about joining the team he's so still and we know Antoine personally

we know that he's like our buddy who is good for a dirty joke like a really bad internet meme you know like Antoine is all jokes and all fun and he's all energy too he's always like moving to see him so still

and then he does it again later in the episode he's really like he listens Yeah when when Luke is like maybe we shouldn't have left and he says that's a stupid way to think all three of us were like yay yeah he's just so still in a way that a lot of the rest of us aren't in the in the episodes and maybe that's because Antoine was older than we are and had you know different experiences but the way some of us are like I know I always use my hands and I'm always like a little bit

huffy and like a lot of nervous energy to see someone so still and committed to the material is great. I love that he made skills that person. And it was also such a, it was such an amazing sampling of all of his, of all of Antoine's acting skills. Because he shows you that vulnerability. He shows you that stillness. He shows you his prowess as an athlete. And you watch him get all jacked up on that adrenaline and that joy and that success. And, And then in that moment at the river court, he's able to bring it down, but he brings his humor. We get every kind of flavor of the friend that skills is. And in an interesting way, it almost feels like it, it's like it fills in the backstory of the rivercourt boys with more depth than we've had on an ensemble show for our friends at home.

You've probably heard us talk about this. You get a lot of, oh, well, that happened off camera. Those two went to the mall. Remember that time seven years ago when this happened? Exactly. Yeah. I've always had a crush on Uncle Cooper. We've never seen him before.

You know, it's like all that stuff. And, you know, they fill it that way. And this, like watching this whole episode, every time Skills is on camera, I feel like I'm getting to know all of those boys better. And that's an incredible thing to be able to do as an actor and such a testament. to Antoine, that he personalized every word. And so it didn't just feel like a present moment. It also felt like a backstory.

Yeah. When he wins beer pong, ugh. Oh. That cut. That transition. From the basketball going into the net and then he throws it and the ball in midair turns into a ping pong ball that is painted like a basketball and it goes into a cup and they're playing beer pong at a party.

It was, that was a really, really great shot. And I will say, you know, John Asher directed this episode. And John's not much older than us. And like, you know, kind of was everybody's like big frat brother or something. It was the older brother energy. Yeah. And I say this would love, but we're all giggling because like he drove us fucking crazy. But we loved it.

You know, it's like that kind of big brother energy where you know you're going to get teased or whatever. And, God, I think sometimes we can forget, like, how creative he was on our show. And I know we've talked about this before, Joy, you brought this up recently, that sometimes directors would come on our show and, like, test things for other shows. Yeah. This is such a testament to what it means to be creative inside the world of a show. Yeah, in the context. Yeah, like.

He always stayed in context. Always in context. And that's something I really admire in. anybody in charge and like it seems so simple but to turn a basketball shot into a beer pong shot like oh chef's kiss yeah gorgeous more fun than just like ending the game and then suddenly we're out of party you just have fun creative nostalgia give me more i want it all the time i love it wanted that party so we got so then we get to the party who knew rachel's house had that backyard i know right like whoa do you guys remember filming that party i do you guys remember filming that party i do

I don't really. I have, like, visceral memories of, like, bowls of chips. And, like, I can close my eyes and I'm there with Lee and Matt Barr. I know just... Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, it's weird which episodes pop like that, you know? Because I had totally forgotten about this episode, to be perfectly honest. I feel like we're entering into the zone where I had, in my personal life, gotten married.

and it was very awful and dramatic right from the beginning. So I don't, like, I feel like the next couple of seasons are all going to be, I'm a little lost in memories of being upset because I was so lost in my own world of drama that I missed a lot of these moments. Well, you also lived on airplanes, like work, you know, you were a machine. You would show up, know your shit, hit that mark, and then have to fly all. across the country, making multiple connections. It was a good party, though.

Now, here's my question. Here's my question. On the quad earlier in the episode, Brooke gives Haley this, like, whole ass, like, you better pick a side speech, right? Team Burke or Team Peyton. Just to defend Peyton, there was no tongue. I yelled it at the screen. There was no tongue.

You guys are blowing this out of proportion. Brooke doesn't know that. So she's, she is imagining the worst of it, which is what it was the first time. And it's really interesting to me that Lucas, I wanted to punch him in this episode. He goes, you, you broke up with me and didn't give me a real reason. I'm sorry, what? You've hooked up with my best friend multiple times. Yeah.

I just like, you're over at her house. I'm seeing you on her webcam. like what are you talking about yeah it's interesting that when brook breaks up with him she's very like adult and mature about it yeah talked about the last episode but now it's like it's it's eating at her it's like no actually i am really pissed about this well yeah now that i don't have to be above board yeah she's like i did the thing i had the conversation with you from my highest self but actually i want to punch you in the face yeah that tracks i have that sometimes where i'm like I was too nice.

I should have, I really, I didn't say the thing I wanted to say. And now I'm like, yeah, I'm walking around my house, reliving the argument because I was polite and I really should have called you on this, this fill in the blink. And I think what's interesting about it is that it's always been played like the Brooke and Peyton conflict, right? You know, I'm stomping across the quad. Nobody wants to be on team Peyton because their captain's a big whore. You know, it's like, it's all hilarious.

I love it. episode so much. Brooke never holds back, man. Like, we have just been crying, laughing. It is so funny. It's like some of my favorite brand of Brooke Davis comedy. But watching it now also, I'm like, wait a second. Here we are being pit against each other.

It's all his fault. This dumb boy didn't tell the truth, didn't give a clear explanation, then is telling her how dare you be mad at me. and it's like, bro, you haven't even actually told me what happened. You're just letting me walk around thinking the worst of everything. And then he has the nerve to say, you didn't fight for me. Hello? Have you been present for the last two and a half years?

You've had to have so many grown-up conversations with him? I'm flabbergasted because, again, we remember what we remember. And it's like, it's deja vu truly to the first time this happened where I'm like, wait a second. Yeah. This isn't even about us. this is his fault. Yeah. And that's the definition of insanity,

doing the same shit over and over again. Over and over. And expecting a different outcome. It will never be different with Lucas Scott. Not with these two. Here's my thing, though. For all of Brooks' like, you know, bluster, she's pissed.

That would seem to me like the reasonable spot where Haley would look at her friend and be like, oh, you want me to pick sides. You're living in Rachel's house. And she is incredibly problematic to me. Are you going to pick a side? And we, and you know, like I have it that in my notes at the top of the episode. And certainly we get there.

But Brooke arrives at that spot on her own. Haley isn't like, hey, reciprocate, you know? Well, which I actually think is better. Yeah, I don't think Haley's that kind of person. Also, Haley knows Brooke's not living with Rachel for shits and giggles. Brooke doesn't have a house. Yeah. So it's like, where's she going to go? You know, she's a 16 year old kid who has nowhere to go. Or I guess she's also never been, as far as I can remember, she's never been the kind of person that like, she doesn't seem to loop people in with problems and try and triangulate. Yeah, she's very like compartmentalized with people. Why doesn't Lucas just go to her house? Seriously, like to Brooks point. Why is he always at Peyton's house if he's trying to sort out.

shit. Haley is now a closer friend to Brooke. Why isn't he at her house? Yeah, it's weird. It's poking the bear, man. Poking the brook in the brook. It is. It really, it really is. It's very interesting. But as much as I'm having the moment of going, wait a minute, this is all this teenage boy making a mess. Why did they keep pitting the girls against each other? I know, I know TV drama. The thing I will say that I don't like, that, like, that, like, Like, you know, all of it makes sense to me. I'm amused by this, just realizing, like, it's this dips. Like, why were we fighting?

The one thing that irked me, and that's probably because it's meant to, I don't like. And I wonder why none of the men caught it, but I don't know. Maybe they did it on purpose. I don't like a boy walking up to a girl at a party who is surrounded by a group of boys and saying she's all yours. Ew, yeah. I didn't like that. Ooh, gross.

I really thought it was gross. It made me feel unsafe. Yeah. It made me, like, even now, I'm like, if I saw a boy say that to a girl, like, the lesson I would give him about, like, violence against women and consent and women are not property, you don't get to give her away.

Like, it, that, like, really triggered some shit for me. I really did not like that. Yeah. And I, and maybe it's, it's because we're adults now. And I think like, oh, come on. Like, adults wrote this. Don't do that.

But maybe it's because it's supposed to be a boy being gross. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, if everyone knows that he's the protector, he's the guy that, like, gets girls home safe from parties, and he just declares it to everyone, you can have her. I'm done here. Yeah. I don't like it.

Yeah, trying to be in the position where he's- Don't do that, boys. Any boys listening to our show. Be better than that. Well, look at the different or look at the similarities between what Brooke has been saying to Lucas. Let me in. Let me in. Yeah.

And the speech that the beautiful scene that Haley has with Nathan, let me in. I was thinking that. I'm trying so hard not to be a psycho and have my feelings hurt. Can you just tell me what's going on? And the difference in in the way the boys respond. Yes. because Nathan immediately says, wait, that's what you think? Because when people won't let you in, when they won't tell you what's happening, but you know something's wrong, the natural human assumption is to think, well, they won't tell me because it's me.

Yeah. And the minute Nathan realizes that Haley is personalizing his distance, his pain, his confusion, he shuts it down. And that was, oh, you guys did such a good job in that scene. He's not playing games with her. He's totally there and present with her. And I loved that. I don't know why he's not sharing with her. I guess they're both keeping secrets,

but I don't know why he's not sharing with her all of this trauma that he's going through. I did not like the way he walked up to Rachel at that party. Oh, you sure did it. You took that. Listen, was there like a little thing in you? Because you guys played husband and wife for, you know, for, you know, forever.

Was there a little thing in you that, that, subconsciously bubbles up when you see something like that. Like, do you feel jealous in real life? I know I get territorial over some people. Yeah, yeah. I think, I mean, on the show, I do. I never felt that way in real life. But when I'm watching, I'm so invested in these characters.

I was like, excuse me, why are you leaning up against a wall right behind Rachel with your arm up and like giving her the impression that you're, I mean, I get it was for a shot. Yeah, let's justify it. But it was on purpose. It was sexy. Yeah. I know it was. All three of us went, oh.

Like we all jumped back from the screen a little bit. He's never stood like that with me before. Absolutely not. And I think, I do think that was a, that feels like a conscious choice on the part of like the director and the actors in the scene to go, we've got to do some things that we'll create. confusion for Rachel but like whoa it wasn't the right move though I thought that like I agree it was sexy and it was a it was a misdirect but it was so out of character for Nathan I mean yeah I don't know though I don't know that it's out of character because Nathan Scott is still Dan Scott's son like he's not an angel and we're not exploring that storyline if we were exploring that storyline of him

growing and dealing with the fact that he's married but still like attracted to other girls and doesn't know how to handle it. That's something to explore. Yeah, but my only fear there, Joy, and I get it. And that is such a tendency of mine to be like, well, hold on. What are we really saying? People do dumb shit all the time.

All the fucking time. They do. I think we have to like, sometimes we want to justify like why someone's doing something. Sometimes people just do things. They don't even realize they're doing it. Like, he he might have thought I'm going to come intimidate her a little bit

and be like hey and stand over her and like whatever and then to us as girls we're like whoa that's hot what are you doing you know like we don't know right now was that you have any idea what if he's being unintentionally hot yeah we're like

accidentally we're like sir put those arms away this will make sense to you it's streetcar name desire right he's Stanley yes where it's like, you're coming into my world here. You're pretending to be nice with, like, my woman and all my woman's friends and stuff, and then you're, like, flirting with me.

And, like, there's a weird energy here. It's a very Tennessee Williams vibe. Like, James Lafferty is a Tennessee Williams actor. He would be so good in any one of those shows. I mean, I feel like that shot actually was from either streetcar or a cat on a hot tin roof or something. Haven't we seen that shot before? 100%.

100% Yeah, it's being salacious Without him laying a hand on her He doesn't touch her I Yeah, it feels like a power move Yeah Which probably is why it flustered us all

In the context Are we attracted to do power still Hold on a second Or just or are we just all attracted to tall people I don't know But what I will say is interesting To think about it in the context of the storyline for Nathan, like how well he does to let Haley in, how much he really is

trying to process all of this, even saying to Haley about Rachel, like, I think she's got some trauma, not that it's our problem, you know, felt like the kind of energy of that scene. I loved the sweet, disarmed friendship of Nathan and Peyton. in this episode. I loved seeing him at that table when you came over and said, you're over here by yourself. That used to be our signal.

Yeah. Oh, Oh, Platonic Peyton, man. I like Platonic Peyton and I like that her and Nathan are in this space. Here's what troubled me in this episode. Why couldn't I

match that level of platonic with the actor playing my hot brother? I'm so glad we're getting here. I was bearing the lead. I didn't want to talk about Peyton yet because this is like so exciting and so juicy. And I was like, we got to save it

for the second half of the episode. I'm just blushing the whole time Matt Barr is talking to me and I'm like, look, I can do a scene with Nathan where I'm like, come on, buddy. I can do scenes with Lucas where I'm like, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. It may look different,

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You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

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What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we got to say the thing, though. We had been working with all these boys for three and a half years. The hot wears off. It wears off fast. The hot wears off. It does.

Like, I hate to say it, but everything becomes relative really quickly. Like, if Giselle was your neighbor, you would stop gawking at her eventually. I mean, maybe. Even like, you know, I mean, maybe not her. But you know what I'm saying? Like, we got used to them. I feel like I sit on my porch with popcorn every day. Like, like James and Chad and all the.

boys on the basketball team like they got to just be these goober boys that we made fun of and we be like why are you doing that like why are you playing those video games we we did watch them do like tons of dumb shit remember when they dare each other to lay on that ant hill oh my god like come on those ding-dongs and like i say it with love we loved them but like they became just like ew gross boys that bar had been around for 48 hours yeah nobody was used to him and he stood really look Derek was supposed to be creepy Matt Barr stood so close to you I was un-I was blushing I wasn't even in the scene and I was like I am I'm sweating watching this I don't know how you did it like the loveliest person yeah he's the best guy

he was like just he was really doing such a nice job of being so friendly and respectful and interested, and yet there was this slow hint of danger. And the danger maybe is what we were attracted to, a guy who's really nice and respectful, but also feels maybe a little dangerous. So you're going to have some fun. So I think that's probably what the energy was that we're like, oh, this is kind of attractive, but it turned out to be psychotic and not so embarrassed. And that's part of the interesting thing, right, is when you're playing these nice, misdirect. Like Matt finds out he's going to have to be the nightmare of Peyton's life, not actually her brother, you know, this whole creepy thing. But you have to play the brother

before the turn. Yeah, we have to believe it. Yeah. Like I, you know, my storyline in this episode, Brooke is not pregnant, but has to behave like she is. You know, I had to think like, oh my God, is going to have Lucas's baby. Everything is going to be awful. I had to go there so that we'd be surprised when we found out it was Haley. You did? Absolutely. Oh, they wanted.

I thought you were just being a good friend. I thought you were just like, I have to have to. But fully, like, they were like, everyone has to really think you're pregnant. So I had to play it. Yeah, of course, you know, it's Brooks being a good friend and is keeping Haley's secret. but as an actor, I was like, I have to pick moments where I'm going to play the scene like I am so that the audience is real, like, I don't want anybody to be able to wonder. Yeah.

And that's like, it's a weird thing to have, it's like one of the weird things about our jobs, you know? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. We all know where the psycho Derek of it is going. and it's it's so dark that I'm frankly a little bit nervous to get there I'm just enjoying your commitment to Peyton being happy for at least like five or six episodes listen like Peyton is even in the drama you're just like it's not going to get me down no like Brooke is just literally telling Peyton like I hope you die in a fire and Peyton's like anyway have you met my hot brother.

Just all smiled. I really loved that too. I loved the like, I mean God, we're so angry at each other but all of our banter is hilarious. Yeah. So

good. Like everything in this episode between us is so funny. You know, your I love you, kill people. Well, then I love you, Brooke. It's all just like, oh God. I loved that you were, I loved watching you be happy and vulnerable and excited and just ready for a new chapter in life. It's so depressing that it's like every single thing that's new that comes into Peyton's life turns out to be a big wet blanket or worse.

Oh, God. I mean, Peyton took him on the death walk of Tree Hill. That's how you know she's like, invested, where she's like, do you want to see my friends almost died last week? And do you want to see my mom is buried? And do you want to see my other mom is buried? And do you want to see, like, it's so desperate for, I think. Someone close, someone to know her and see her. It just would have been better if he wasn't as handsome.

So hot. Because Peyton's enthusiasm reads as very, like, Game of Thrones to me. Haven't you guys ever had a hot family member, though? No. No, John. No. No. If you met my relatives. No, I'm sure, listen, if any of you were listening, you're gorgeous, but I have not wanted to kiss you.

No, like second cousins or people that you've met later that are, and you're like, wow, this is too bad. Girl, I turned 18 and I left Virginia and there was just no turning back. So I bet I have hot family members out there, but I know. That's so funny. I mean, you have to set a boundary, but I've totally had that moment. Really? Yeah. It's like, well, you can't help.

If you're attracted to somebody that's just your body's just like, you're suddenly feeling like oh my god i'm attracted to this person and then you got to be like well shutting that down right now because because you're related and you're really attracted to yourself but it's you're like exactly like you're good looking just like me oh my god it's but it's not with people that you like grew that you've known the whole time no it's like someone that you meet later who's like a second or third cousin or like a once removed kind of a thing and you know i don't know i can't believe you've never had that experience well listen i have i found out that my great-great-grandfather moved to Washington State after his wife died, and I went on

this, like, mad spiral where I was like, are Jeff and I related? Like, I just, like, are. Oh, my God. Yeah, I was just like, wait a second. Horrifying. Yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of shit that keeps you up at night and makes you thankful for the internet, because we're not. Um, thank God. But, no, I just, hot brother is complicated. Yeah. Yeah, that would be really hard. I feel like there have been, oh, yeah, I'm going, I feel like there's a movie that I loved that's about this. Yeah, Clueless. Oh, Clueless.

Share is in love with her stepbrother. Stepbrother. That's very close. That's closer than a cousin. But there's no. There's no blood. There's no blood. It's like, it's like as a teenager, her dad married a woman who had a son in college.

So that's when they meet in Clueless. And she's like, oh, my God, I love Josh, which obviously we're all in love with Paul Rudd. So, like, no one is surprised. But that was hilarious in a movie. I don't, I don't think I didn't know. I don't think I could get over it. I figured out my example. No, you can't get over it.

Of course not. My mom had an uncle Paul. And so he was my, like, second uncle, great uncle, what do you call those? And he had a ponytail and a beard. And he, like, worked for the government. and he had this like hippie wife tanya and he was hot and he was like he was like the cool liberal uncle at christmas and thanksgiving and stuff and i just thought he was they traveled the world i think they had a sitar player at their wedding or something cool that is so funny

uncle paul yeah uncle pa i get it i get it i get it handsome relative can matt bar just making me I know. And we saw him recently on our tour and he's still just handsome as ever and so kind and lovely and such a sweet, great person and still working a lot. And we're lucky that we got him on the show. It was so fun to have him on tour with us. Well, yeah, because we haven't seen him. And just hear about his work. And yeah, to hear about his work and to meet his fiance. And like, it was just so lovely. And it's such a wild thing. know we're I know we're doing those tour stops as bonus episodes for y'all but unfortunately if you if you got to do the video stream you didn't get to see Matt because he wasn't there that night but my god it was so interesting to hear about the way people started really responding to him in public after that story it's so sad it breaks my heart Yeah, because he's such a lovely guy.

In public. Psycho Derek. Psycho Derek. I love that he's game for it, though. He doesn't, it doesn't really bother him. He's like, hey, man. Give me my money. I'm nervous to watch this unfold with Peyton, though.

It's a storyline I wasn't on set for. I heard about it. I remember reading it in the script and being like, well, that's going to be really insane. But, okay. But, you know, you just kind of, I missed it. So I'm. Yeah. I'm excited to see your work, but I'm also not excited about this.

You know, I was always hoping for redemption for him because he does fit the group very well. Because the scene he has with Mouth was one of my favorite of the episode, where Mouth gives him the whole new guy thing. And he just plays, he plays the straight man in a way that, like, James does, you know? And I love that Lee got the opportunity to go balls out this episode. he had so much fun yeah lee is so good in this episode and his his physical comedy his like his drunk comedy and then lucas says what did he yell at lucas when he sat down what is it like hey mouth hey mouth is that all you ever say to me what's up mouth what's all you know what to say i die oh my god and then lucas goes how many of those have you had, Nigo's including this one.

Well, I just took to me. He's so cute. He is the best. I love that he got to do that. Yeah. And Gigi was back in this episode. Yes. We got to see her for a minute.

I wish they would give her something else to say. This obsession with like the sweet, innocent girl being secretly naughty is really gross. They love a secret pervert, man. That's their deal. I don't need to hear a 14-year-old girl say she's aroused, okay? No. It's, I would like there to be a line.

Yeah, that's pretty gross. But we're fine. Seeing her sweet face makes me happy, and I'm really looking forward to seeing her storyline develops soon. I just love what she's done with her career, you know? Like, she starts off being like the one-line singer at 14 years old on this, you know, big ensemble thing and then becomes this goddess on Yellowstone. Queen of Yellowstone.

Have you seen her lately with this haircut? Girl, I saw her on the red carpet. the other day with like, like a black silk dress with like some sheer panels in it? And I was like, hey, they get it. Get it. We love it. She is like in her prime. She looks amazing.

She's still such a total sweetheart, too. I just love her. Well, well, listen, Sophia called it in the middle of the episode where she was like, everyone's so cranky. And maybe that's why we laughed so hard this episode is because everyone is just crank. I love it. I love a little cranky. Rachel and Haley.

Haley's cranky? Oh my God. Brooke is cranky. Peyton's the only one who's not cranky for the first time ever. Maybe that's why I loved this episode. I mean, Peyton's always like slightly cranky deep down. Deep down. Yeah.

But it is nice. It's nice to see you getting to be happy. and I don't know it's it feels refreshing it makes me sad knowing where it's going well do you think Payton's only happy when everyone else is miserable like do you feel like she's probably like

yes it's your turn bitches you guys can do it now finally yeah well what's where's it going what's happening in the next episode do we have a small little preview I mean we've seen Derek's wall of weird.

Yeah, we know that's coming. Have you guys had anyone in your life that you find out, like, after the fact is secretly a total creeper? Yeah. I've had a couple. Oh, really? Yeah, every once in a while, you find out that someone that you think is super awesome is also, like, unhinged. And you're just like, oh, cool. I'm really glad I let you into my room and my house.

and wamp lesson for the kids is don't have a webcam Not facing your bed especially Yeah, it's just a no Huge, huge no It's a no guys

Please don't Okay, so Lucas So what we're reading From our fabulous producers Is that next episode Lucas is going to start to notice How close Peyton and her brother Are getting

Which again, it's just so weird and we saw a little bit of that you know like she brings Lucas as her protection in the very first scene and he is pointing out like oh you guys are totally the same you're totally the same and I guess that's cute up until a point

but yeah they're really going for it right away I think they're going to keep him around for much longer it may look different but native culture is very alive My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her. story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

Was it an overblown distraction or a cynicism? Mr. Conspiracy. Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

we have a question let's answer some questions yeah okay okay is that birdie yeah has they ask if grant or jeff have seen the show seen one tree hill i feel like we answer this all the time yeah we do um well birdie no uh there is a big running joke around here at drama queens that neither uh my husband nor hillary's husband has seen a single episode of our show. And so we've been, we've been sort of joking, and now we think maybe it would be hilarious if we started making Grant and Jeffrey watch it

and they could do their own podcast. Yeah. Impress us. Tell us what you think. I don't know. We've got a little bit of rivalry in our house because Jeff played, I think, Ben McKenzie's dad in prison on the O.C. Oh.

No. Jeff was, like, on the OC from, I don't know, a couple of it. Hold on. Let me should Google this. I don't know the specifics. I just know that there are pictures flown around of him in a jumpsuit on the O.C. Let's see who he is on that show. And so maybe that rivalry is real. Maybe it has infiltrated itself into my domestic sphere. Jeffrey as Joe Zikowsky. Oh, who's Joe Zikowsky? Who's Joe Zee? Zikowski on the OZee. Who is that? Huh. I don't know. Maybe there's a fan that can fill me in as his wife, as his partner of 13 years. I don't know. Right. Well, all I'm hearing is that you've never seen him on it either, which feels fair. He's got a sick beard. Hold on. I'm finding pictures. His hair's all dark. I would have kissed this guy. I've dated, updated actors and I don't like watching their, I don't like them watching my work and it feels a little uncomfortable watching theirs. Yeah. Because it just is like, unless it's something they're really crap

oh look at this wait they're pulling it up on our screen right now oh my God amazing who is Sandy who's the character Sandy on the OC all the description I'm seeing is Sandy visited

Joe Zikowski in prison I mean his prison beard is really a thing yeah I'd kiss that guy for sure listen I'll watch his episodes of the OC

if he watches is my episode so Andrea Hill it's significantly less work on my end yeah oh it's Adam Brody's dad

oh I can see that I can totally see that no no no Sandy Sandy is Adam Brody's dad so I guess Peter Gallagher was going to see Jeff

I don't know I mean okay what a bad guy anyway anyway we have another question um a conch

I probably said that wrong. Akungsa is asking, besides friendships, what continues to bring you joy from the One Tree Hill experience? Well, this show does, certainly, but I guess that's part of the friendship question. I guess it's the interaction with the fans, right? The people that still come up and tell us,

like, what an impact the show made or something that our character did or went through that mirrored something they were going through and helped them process it or even just was a place of comfort for them to go consistently. Those are great stories.

I always love to hear that. It makes me happy to know that this show is continuing to have that kind of an impact. I mean, as I have a toddler leaning on me, really pissed, I won't buy her another game on the I had. I like that I've got a record of six years

where I was cool, God damn it. I was cool. And these kids, like, like every parent on the planet is like I was cool once and I had fun once and I wore neat clothes and drove a cool car and it was before you guys were around and you may not believe me but I'm awesome and I have I have over a hundred episodes that I can make these old punk asses sit down and watch hey I was cool George that's right I was cool that's so funny Hillary Maria somebody was with me the other day when somebody came up and they were like I love John Agents of Shields and I said oh thank you so much they were walked away, and she just looked at me like a fan and was like, you were on agents of Shields? What? Yeah.

She's like, isn't that Marvel? Yes, it is. And she just stared at me. I was like, oh, what are you? Am I cool now? Am I, like, you were cool? It's like, go do, go clean your room now. Yeah.

Wash those dishes, kid. That's right. Just because I'm cool. That is so funny. Listen, you've got a storage locker full of stuff that you like from the OTH experience. That's right. Yeah, I mean, gosh, I think now it is really this. It's being able to go back and re-experience it.

You know, we, I think we talked maybe last week or the week before about how, you know, by this point in the show, like, we were getting made fun of on the soup. And like, it was, it was weird because we were away. Like, we were gone. We didn't really know anything about what was. happening out in the world or how we were perceived. We were just kind of locked up in Wilmington together and like, you know, hearing that sometimes people were being mean and we were all going through pretty confusing things in our personal lives. And it added, I think, to the confusion to be isolated. So there's something really amazing about being able to go back and see what it

really was together and we're home and we're like we understand where we stand in the world in a different way than we did when we were when we were kids and yeah I'm really thankful for that you know of course it's cool when we go to the conventions and hear the stories and you know we meet god I mean we met so many families on our tour you know that that young girl we met that 14 year girl whose mom was like, this is Sophia. And I was like, I'm sorry, what? Yeah. Yeah. You know, are you for real? Like, that's, that's so cool. And, and they're watching the show together. Like, that's all amazing. That is stuff I was more accustomed to, the specialness of those interactions. Being able to do this with you guys for us as individuals has been just like the coolest

gift because it really does feel like we get to own this thing we made in a way that we didn't before. Now I understand why the people who come up to us come up to us. Now I understand why we might have made such an impact on someone's life for 20 years that, you know, their kids are named Sophia or Joy or Peyton or Brooke. Like I get it in a way that I used to be flattered and now I understand. And that feels really special. Yes. I totally agree. Well, guys, thank you for joining us for this great episode. We had so much fun. And next week, it's going to get real hairy, real dicey.

So we'll get into that. Are we spinning a wheel? What are we doing? Oh, shoot. Yeah, let's spin a wheel. We do have a wheel. I forgot. Give me the wheel.

What do we got? Most likely to... Most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse. I mean... Hillary, I think it's you. Yeah. I feel like it is. I feel like you have the most experience in that world.

Let me just tell you, when the pandemic hit and everyone was freaking out about toilet paper, guess who didn't have that problem? Because I am... I got everything. I got water filtration systems. I, you know... I grew up with...

Preppers. And so You're prepped. I'm so prepped. But who on the show? What character on the show is ready to handle things? Oh, that's good. I mean, Deb? I feel like Deb is a real strong contender for that. Yes. Deb could like cauterize a wound. You know, like she's not afraid to do the gross stuff. Yeah. But also Dan is like a cockroach. Like, you can't kill him. The problem in the zombie apocalypse. is that you develop relationships with people and then you can't put a spike in their head

when they turn and I feel like Dan and Deb wouldn't have that problem. Right, I agree. They'd be like, oh, Nathan, you turned. Oops, you know. Oh, God. Yeah. That's funny.

Yeah, they win. I love it. Sweet. Sophie is like, I don't know how I feel about that. I'm like, no, I'm digging it. I'm envisioning. we never as many times as we jumped the shark that is one shark that we left in the depths of the ocean so it's true one day one day i feel like there was a zombie episode i know it's coming like a nightmare

really yeah we had an episode where we all dressed like zombies we've got season four episode four next week can't stop this thing we've started so here we go kids buckle up can we see you next week Bye. See you soon. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Drama Queen's at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time.

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