Drama Queens - Hi Mrs. Davis! • EP504 with Daphne Zuniga

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

Daphne joins the Drama Queens for an episode recap and it turns out you can capture the magic the second time around! Hilarie, Sophia and Joy discuss the best of bitchy lines, Nate 2.0 and an angry neighbor that derailed filming!  Plus, find out what happens when scripted life and real life collide. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ladies, we still have our queen with us. Daphne Zaniga is here to help us walk through Season 5, Episode 4. It's all right, Ma. I'm only bleeding, which aired a January 22nd of 2008. Daphne, will you read the synopsis for us? Peyton has her hands full. When the lead singer of a band, she just signed turns out to be problematic. Peyton asks Haley to come help her work with them, which reignites Haley's love for music, and gets her back in the studio.

Nathan is struggling to get through to Quentin. Brooke has her grand opening at Closover Brose Boutique, which Peyton and Lucas attend together and try to get back to being just friends. Meanwhile, Marvin's relationship with his boss grows heated. Oh, even more heated. The director, Janice Cook, and the writer was Adele Kim. Aw, Janice and Adele!

Oh, that was a good combo. I loved those two. I love a combo of these women and of these women on this Zoom. Yes. When was the last time you watched an episode of One Tree Hill, Daphne? It had been a while. I don't remember. I mean, I watched this one. 15 years, maybe.

It's been a while. I think I've seen one since then. I'm not sure when, though. But, you know, to be honest, I mean, I'm not crazy about looking at myself, but I, but I, I, yeah, and it's, as much as I remember loving working with you guys, every time I would watch it in the past, I'd just be like, gosh, she's such a witch. You know, I used to tell, I'd just bring me some humor. Let's make sure they're like she's, you know, a little tipsy in this scene or something I always wanted. That comes later after this scene.

She warms up to that more humor. No, but you sell it though. Like, it's almost like a compliment. Like, you know those shitty restaurants down in North Carolina, like dirty dicks or those restaurants that you go to with the intention of being insulted by the wait staff? And it's like, it's so you and your friends can all laugh about it together after the fact. That's what it feels like. It's like Peyton's figured that out. That's why Peyton is always laughing when Victoria is saying horrible things to her.

Because she knows the formula. She's like, this woman's going to tell me how terrible I am. And Brooke and I are going to get together later. and have a laugh. Like, it's a, it's a rite of passage that everyone in Treehills should go through. Yes. Yeah. When we started watching episodes back for the first time when we first started doing this, there were so many things coming at us because none of us had seen the show in so long.

And was there anything that stood out to you about, about the show itself, about, like, oh, I see why this was a hit or something that surprised you? I don't know. Was there anything that just struck you? Yeah, a couple things. The main two things that stand out at me is how good you all are. You're just, I mean, all of you are so everyone. I mean, you guys, and your fan bases are to prove it. You're so good. Each of you in your, I mean, you're all very different, but that's what I really looked at. I was like, you're so solid. You're so good. and the lines you know they're smart they're ahead of their years um so i remember when i first

you know as i'm watching i'm going i get why people are still into it because you know the characters really do kind of like say what's up and truth and keep dealing with stuff and there's so much flying at them and they're just smart. They're smarter than they should be, really. And I think that's then I think, but I think that's the key to like, you know, you want to keep watching what's going to happen next. What's going to happen next? You know what I mean? It keeps going for sure. Yeah. So that's what I saw. I mean, all the regulars are so strong. I can't, you know, joy. I just notice like you're so natural with your, you always have like a prop or your behavior. You're throwing off lines to nanny carry and I'm like how can nanny carry you know you just toss it off you're very natural

I know you've been doing it since you were little you know all of you and thanks I mean you had to sell stuff too so you know you have to sell that you're facing me and you have to you help me sell Victoria yeah for sure because the way that you receive it and when we cut to your close up and your side of it, you help the audience go, okay, I'm scared of her, but she's my mom. There's a complexity to you. There is emotion there. And you really help sell it. And, you know, I know you guys like how I played it, but some of those lines were hard.

And so you guys helped sell it. That was my favorite part of this episode, was the storyline being able to watch. Because we've only seen Victoria come in in these small little moments with quips. and a few things to say. But here we really get, it's the full Victoria. It's the full experience. I loved seeing that.

That's what I loved about this episode. Only a woman could have written this episode. Like, Adele Lim, for you at home, who don't know, is an incredible writer. She was a crazy rich Asian. She wrote Ray and the Last Dragon. Like, she is a just force. And I worked with her on Lethal Weapon

where she wrote these kind of lines for me. I got to be Victoria on that show. And so she is so, so good at bitch lines, like just so good at it and really teed you up to just steal all our hearts and our fear. That's great. And the way that you can write someone to be an archetypal bitch or you can write someone to be boiling under the surface.

And what I love is that there are a lot of women on our show who've been put in this almost camp version. of bitchiness and you came in so strong and you did so much with these moments that they'd given us before the reveal that everyone knew they had to step up their game for you and what they begin to give you and I even how early in the episode when I'm begging you to understand why I want to have this store and you pivot and it's the first time we see Victoria be kind and gentle and you say, I want what's best for you, and you touch my face. Like, that felt like water in the desert.

And then Brooke doesn't know, but the audience sees because of Millicent. Right. And Victoria's lines to Millicent. The Victoria is designing this failure. And, oh, it's just such a rich world for us as a cast of women. And we didn't always get that. And so to see it is like, oh, it's delicious. I forgot that she designs the failure.

So I was like, she's being so nice. So early on, this is only episode four. No, wait. Oh, oh, you know. And yeah, no, I loved, I love that part of it that you do. Like you say, Hillary, we see the different sides to her. You see, you have to. You have to.

There has to be like reprieve from just, but it doesn't last long and it usually is just to hook you. Like I think when I say to Peyton, just some of those looks and she zips up that dress and she goes, don't you know, don't you dare think you're going to blah, blah, blah, blah. The only reason she's here is because of you, loser. Yeah, loser.

When Victoria tells Payton's so here to get your act together, it's so real. How old are you? 21 by now, why aren't you running your own company? Yeah. Except that she is. Peyton is running her own company. And that's what I would love to talk about because this is her first foray into really

dealing with her first band that she's signed. It's a big deal. You guys, this is, it's one of my favorite behind the scenes, One Tree Hill stories. Because. Are we getting? Oh, God, you're going to tell it. So in real life, like, I wanted to produce bands. I wanted a record label in real life.

I'd come from MTV. I was like, yes, this is happening. And so I have to give just a little bit of backstory. And for those of you who don't like it when we go off on tangent, we're doing it today. You can suck it. It's our show. We will tangent if we want to do. It is August and little tiny teenage Hillary Burton gets dropped off in New York City at college, right?

And it becomes very clear right away at Fordham. It is eight girls to one boy in this school. And so there's a talent show as a part of orientation. And this dude who I had been in the same group as him the whole time gets up and he sings. His name is Tom Stewart. He is very talented. And we are also like oil and water. Like we do not get along.

But he's so talented. And so we start making out. It's awesome. Everyone in the dorm is jealous. They're like, how'd she bag him? And so that lasts until, you know, three weeks into. school and I'm literally crying on this boy's dorm floor because I'm like I haven't made it yet I've been in New York for three weeks I haven't made it yet and then I get scouted by MTV the very next day and so I start doing all this stuff with TRL and he's like you've changed and I get pissed because I'm like you've known me three weeks how have I changed and so Tom and I break up but it was a very lovely little romance cut to all these years later and we have Kevin Federline on the the show, and we know that he is lip-sinking these songs because he is not a singer. And so Hillary

Burton, the actress, hears this song that he's singing in the recording studio. And I think to myself, I think to myself, that's a catchy song. I'm going to go look up the real singer. So I send a little email and I'm like, who's the band that sings this? And I get the response. It's a band called Radio America. And so I get on the Google machine. And I look up Radio America, and they had just released a music video. And I'm like, oh, fantastic. I can't wait to watch this. And it's like grainy and very early 2000s, edgy Brooklyn vibe.

And it turns to the lead singer. And it is Tom Stewart. No way. Oh, my God. I knew I liked that voice. I knew I liked that voice. And so I'm so like, I keep, I'm like, is he going to reach out to me? Should I reach out to him?

Like, what do I do? Whoa. And so finally, when the episode aired, I reached out through Facebook. And I'm like, hey, your song was great. I'm happy you were on the show. And he was so lovely. He's like, my publicist really wanted to, like, use the fact that we dated as a thing to, like, try to get more attention on the song, and I wouldn't let her because I know

you're in a relationship. And he was so lovely. But I definitely made out with that voice that is singing. Kevin Fetterline's song. What a small world. It's so weird. It's just such a weird thing to be like, oh, yeah, I'll sign that band.

No, I will not. Oh, my God. He's fond dude. That's awesome. But that's the world of One True Hill, folks, where you never know who you've kissed. Everybody in Wilmington kissed everybody in Wilmington. And it turns out, even the ones who weren't in Wilmington,

I've kissed Hillary. I've kissed literally everyone. Literally everyone. God, I loved it. You working on this band also brought, for me, as a viewer, one of my favorite scenes in the episode, which, you know, we talk about how special it is when you just get to see friends being friends.

But this scene with Peyton and Haley, sitting by the pool, eating a snack. Nathan's doing his physical therapist. me and you guys are just talking about how to figure it out and you ask for help which for whatever reason we don't really do a lot we don't model that on TV very often yeah it's more dramatic to cry in a closet yeah or to be like I don't want your help and then someone says well I'm going to help you anyway like Quentin and Nathan but like I just loved how sweet that moment was it gave such a, again, such a backstory. And because Peyton says, I need help with something, it also

it opens up this whole new world for Haley. And by the end of the episode, she's playing the piano again. Yeah. Yeah. I loved that. Yep. And right on the heels of Haley talking about, why can't I have also some of my own things. Yes. It's so, it's so, I mean, I guess she talks about it in the middle of it, but it is, it was also funny to me to hear a 21-year-old be like, I know I'm a wife and a mother and a teacher, but can I also have like a big career and can I also? I'm like, no, you can't. You can't. You cannot have it all. Calm down. Pick something and stick with it for a while and then do something else afterward. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage,

burn bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic. or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For me, it was really cool to see you guys work together in that because knowing joy and how musical you are. Yeah, that was fun. It was like, you know, just so cool to see you, like, say, look, I know you don't see it,

but I know where the gold is in this, and it's this one, this shy girl. And then to hear Kate sing and was that her song? Yeah, that was her. It must have been, yeah. Just reminded me again how freaking talented she is too. Yeah. I think just I loved all that. I love that stuff with you guys.

and then even in the sound booth with that classic of like, we can't hear. We don't know that he can hear everything. Yeah. I love what he did too. Kevin was so great. I mean, I don't know if he made that choice or if he was directed to do that,

but it was hilarious him like being big and making all the faces and yelling behind. He had so much fun with that, which is always so nice to see a guest star feel free to play and be goofy. Yeah. And remember how nervous he was about calling us bitches? Like, wanted to quantify that, like, he did not think we were bitches and that this was words on paper. Oh, that's cool.

He has to slap my ass in a scene later, like, in, I don't know if it's the next episode of the one afterward, but he smacks me on the ass. Oh, and trick. Yeah, and trick. And I, and he was, he was so nervous about it. And he was so like, is this okay? I'm so sorry. Like, oh. I hate making you feel this way. I'm like, it's okay. It's in the page. I'm fine. Do you think he knew what a asshole he was being cast to play? He probably got a call from his manager, like, We got you a job. You're a rock star.

Yeah. Cool. Didn't he come up as a dancer? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I wonder if he was kind of like, I mean, this seems cool. And I know the show is like a hit, but why? Yeah.

You know? Like, knowing that he doesn't sing. I'm like, I wonder if that was weird for him. Maybe not. It is one of the stranger pieces of casting on our show that absolutely works. Because that Mohawk that he has, that's like so weird and every bit of it just it screams this puzzle piece doesn't fit so that it is magical when Haley finds the right thing and I love that notion of like going home and bringing the

people you love into the thing that you love like we've all done that we've all gone home and been like hey best friend can you help me with social media hey best friend can you help me with this movie you know who have you guys pulled in in real life to help you you with this new life that we created for ourselves. Oh my gosh. Well, that's just, I mean, there's so many creative projects that because we're in a creative space, especially when I was in L.A., but, you know, there's so much creativity there in here in Nashville there is.

And I think that's just a natural byproduct of having relationships in a creative community that you'll just bring people in. But I still check in with my high school best friend, Jenny. And you guys met her on the tour. will, like, run ideas by her and just, you know, how she just lives a completely different life than I do. So it's, it's nice to just hear things from a different perspective that's so outside of the bubble that I can live in sometimes. Yeah, I don't know. That's my answer.

What do you about you guys? I mean, I don't have, I'm not close to, I moved around a lot as a kid, as I told you a little bit. You didn't stay close with the 500 people in Vermont, Daphne? That's crazy. Weird. Yeah. I mean, I turned seven. and graduated and I was out of there.

But I did make a very good friend there, thank God. And in hindsight, I'm so glad I lived there during those years in nature and with a small, and my graduating class was 129 people. But I don't know of any of them anymore. But if the people currently count, I mean, I'm constantly, I just sent this script that I wrote 100 years ago to a friend of mine today. I'm like, read it. Let me know what you think.

You know, joy. I remember you were shooting, you did a short. I think that a friend of yours was directing or something. We did a scene or something I remember, you know, together. And I just love that because, you know, at heart, we're playful. You know, every time David watches something, he's like, God, what you guys do is fun. Now, of course, he knows the behind-the-scenes stuff too because we've been together 15 years. And he knows it's like a lot of hard stuff too.

But he's like, God, can you believe you're growing? up and this is your job. Yeah. So we have that playfulness that we had as a kid. And so I love it when I can just drop the worry, drop the hustle, let go to like your career, just trust for, just trust the universe, trust things for like, I don't know, a couple of days so you can just go play. And then I'll just, you know, be playful with my grown-up friends that I've known for a long

time here in L.A. I mean, I've been here since I was 17. So I do have a lot of friends here that are like that, you know? Yeah. It's so cool. It's important. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like so many of my closest friends who, you know, I think maybe we found each other

because we all orbit in these weird ways. Like, I've always found it hard to be the person who always has to leave for a job. And, you know, we left our job and then I, you know, everybody did. in their own ways. But like, I went and I did this other job. And then it's like, well, do I try to stay present with all these people who just scattered in the wind as often as I want to? Or do I stay present in this job I have to do now 10 months a year? And like, I always kind of feel like I'm failing in one direction or the other. And then there's home and then there's family. And then like, how do you juggle all these balls? Right. And for me, it's like, if I love you,

I love you forever. Forever. Like you're in. I could talk to you once a week or once a year. matter like tell me what you need where you need me to be i'll be there and i think what's been helpful like in all of our friendships and in the friendships i have with friends who have merged art and activism is that we're all kind of nomadic so we all get it and it should be a long time to find people who got it and who didn't resent it and this feels like such a sweet season of life you know, this last 10 years in particular because everybody kind of ebbs and flows together and shows up for each other.

And, you know, even when we decided to do this podcast, like I called Kenny and was like, hey, can you come and direct a music video for us? And I was like, yeah, when. And like, you know, Kenny was my, whatever the girl's version of a best man is, he was my, like, he was my man of honor. I don't know.

You know, like, that's my dude like he stood next to me at my wedding and what a cool thing to have somebody who you can call and go you want to go to a weird photo shoot at 1 a.m. on sunset and he'll call me and ask me that and I'm like yeah and then I'm like hey can you make a video for a podcast and he's like yeah like anything that we want to do we do and it's it is really special when you get to I think experience that with your friends and now we're in this moment where we're dreaming about like going to make a feature and and what that would look like. And that, I just can't wait for that. Nice. Well, I love, that's like one of my favorite scenes in the episode is when everyone is at close over bros, getting ready for Brooke's big thing. And, you know, Millicent comment, she's like, your friends, like, showed up.

Awesome. But that sense of like, yeah, we haven't all been together in a very long time. But that doesn't stop us from showing up. Well, and I think in the real. world and in a world that's as busy as this one is, the people that you can just pick right back up with regardless of time, that's so meaningful. Yeah. And we got to model that in this episode.

And also make them work. We all paint on us. We're dirty. Yeah. Trying to put everything together. I also love that Daphne, Daphne puts the button on the end of that sweet moment. Everyone's like, wow, you're friends. think it's vulnerable and says, I don't have real friends in New York. And you walk up and go,

she's very frumpy. We should fire her. Yeah, totally. What does she looks like a Slavic something? What was that? A Vagwoman. Favela, isn't it? Yeah. I loved it. Oh, God. So good. Well, that's it. And so we see Brooke's like gaping mother wound. Yes. This whole episode is about mother wounds because we start with Brooks gaping mother wound. going to visit her dead mother's grave and then the episode ends with Haley seeing this picture that Jamie has drawn

of him in the arms of another woman and that is a different kind of mother wound and so all of these like very big feelings about motherhood are wrapped up in this story even the cougar gets thrown in there

yeah the cuck yeah it's also when you do come back to this town to a small town like this you know you don't get to yes your friends rally for you but all those other old old feelings show up you know i don't know about you guys but my mother still lives back east and when i go visit it's like breathe you don't live here anymore you know you're your own woman you have your own life you can afford to leave you're not stuck you know like i just have to breathe through it all if i you know i'm going to put a limit maybe four or five days

tops um because when you do you know come back to this small town i mean all the ghosts are there too obviously for your character yeah Hillary um and you know anyway so i just feel like i just feel like that when you're saying all her friends rally i mean it's just like for for victorious like with that saying shooting ducks in a pond like you're like she's just bam bam that was my first line I think maybe my with with Lucas like I'd never even met him hi I didn't you know what I mean oh you oh you like how many of them I got to knock over just loved it listen I wish you would have

seen Nathan with the long hair that's the Victoria commentary that I would have killed for is that like bethie with the good Becky with the good hair we had the same haircut I just kept looking at that scene like we're his hair was longer but I was like wow we're we're twins. And I actually make fun of his hair in that scene. We got messages from fans because last episode, we asked, we were like, God, Nathan looks like someone when he shaves his beard and we can't figure out who he looks like. And I got a message from a fan. They're like, Hillary, he looks like the end of beauty and the beast when the beast turns into a man. Oh, yes. The prince. Oh, yeah. With those big, huge blue eyes. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, Victoria's commentary on

on that hair just would have been spectacular. It would have been fabulous. You know, I feel like a service, a public service that the writers of Victoria, the character can do for fans and audiences, just like if you're in life, you know, you can just come up with a Victoria to deal with something because she doesn't apologize. She does the least ever until towards the end when she kind of sees, obviously, when she can afford to let the show. shell down, you know, episodes to come, years to come.

You need an app, like an insult generator that's all Victoria-based. Yes. Yes, like you have those daily affirmation app, but you do like, you do your daily dose of bitchatoria. And it just says a rude thing to you every day. Oh my gosh. I kind of want that app. I really want that app. And we should make it and not let anyone do it. They can't steal our idea. It's our idea. Because you know when you're feeling insecure. and apologetic and I don't know if I can take up space in the world and what if they're right and they're right and he's right and it's like you have a hard time setting your boundaries right like the therapist is going you need healthy boundaries that's okay and you're like oh sounds exhausting

just come up your app I'll tell you a boundary you know what I mean and just pull up your Victoria app you're having a hard time with a boundary this should be your boundary get over yourself and be like okay I love it It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first. first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of someone with lots of boundaries

Quentin is a nightmare and what do we think of Haley who was like, I need to save this kid. Actually, I don't need to save this kid. Nathan, what are you doing? You need to save this kid. Yeah, exactly. She's like, duh.

You need a project. I have too many projects. Get out of the kids. house and help me. This is a smart woman who understands how to get her man into a zone that he needs to be in, in a really loving and encouraging way. And it's great. And then he shows up with a haircut on the river court, looking great, feeling good. And then he convinces Lucas to, like, it's great. It all works. Does it? I'm scared for them. I really need to understand why after all these episodes

the writers had Hayley make fun Nathan's haircut and then Nathan goes and gets a haircut for Quentin like the reveal is when he's

at the river court with a kid I wasn't like a sexy moment between husband and wife like I'm so sorry that is a reveal James walks out of that rangerover looking like Clark Kent

and nobody sees it except for a kid who tells him he's That's a missed opportunity. That's awesome. We've fumbled the ball there. Haley should have said you or you, whatever, you're bringing the mullet back. Yeah.

And then he should have been like, give me a second and come back into the kitchen with a pair of scissors. And she should have given him a haircut on the edge of the bathtub and it should have been sexy. Oh yeah. You needed a little sexiness. Yes. What another missed opportunity. I was going to say I did love that line, though, between. he and and um quentin um about uh what team do you have he goes to insult him what team are you on

and he knows he doesn't and then nathan says oh i'll tell you and then he goes to what's that line where he just says like um you know i can't walk i have nothing i have dis and that and if you can't read a book then welcome to my team i just thought that was so good like what episode did you watch Oh, is this another episode? Wait, was that in this episode? Did I miss it? You guys, I couldn't stop watching. I'm sorry.

Daphne, you are so good. She's like, actually, in 515, we're going to. So 515. Oh, sorry. We'll get there. Okay, well, that's coming. But, yeah. But there is something to say about the fact that, like, when you feel isolated,

sometimes the only person who can get through to you, is someone who has also been in that position, you know, that is the person, you know, I've been open about like Moira Kelly telling me, you should leave this show, you should go. Because she'd also been in positions. You have to have someone who's been there before so that you know that the path out is manageable. Yeah. You know? And Nathan's giving him a path out of this very ugly corner he's put himself in.

although that scene where he put Chad on his heels in that office was delicious I don't know how to navigate that if a kid was talking to me that way I die yeah what would you do I don't know and now and think about it it's the second time we've seen Quentin do this he did it to Haley yeah when you think that that this youngster absolutely has to stop he just moved right past where you're assume the line is going to be. Like he's a high school kid. He's like he's a child. And he crosses the line with Haley. He crosses the line with Lucas. And even with Nathan, but what's interesting is that Nathan is the first person who says,

it's not going to get you anywhere. It's not a battle between who's going to win. And he says, it's going to damage your relationships. And I thought that was an interesting peek into Quentin's psyche because he said relationships. who needs a relationship when. And you go, oh, this kid doesn't have experiences of trust in his life.

Got it. Well, he can't if he's behaving that way. Because that's what kids do when they don't have, they haven't been given boundaries. Like they push, they push because they want to know where the boundaries are. And if nobody ever puts any up, then they just keep, and then it makes sense he would get to school and just start trying to push everything over. Like, does anybody care enough about me to sit?

say no and still love me anyway. I mean, that's like the foundation of whatever a kid is looking for all the time when they just are pushing, pushing, pushing. So it's really very, I thought it was very telling and it's super authentic and accurate to what a lot of kids go through, I think. It was really calm of Nathan too. My favorite line in that little exchange at the River Court was when Quentin was like, yeah and lucky for you I quit the team because I was about to break your scoring record

and rather than be like no you weren't Nathan's like all right well let's see if we can change that yeah like I'd love for you to break my record wouldn't that be wonderful come on kid let's do it yeah it was a very adult way to handle that kind of antagonism I'm scrolling through my notes and this has nothing to do with anything but I want to talk about this Okay. You and that cute bartender flirting were a vibe. Girl. And I have the whole thing of like, because it comes on the heels of Victoria

eviscerating Lucas and Peyton being like, yeah, been there. Welcome to the club, kid. And then we get to have this cute moment and it's like an oh, an oh. And it's like so fun at the bar. And I love that Carol put us in really similar dresses. like yours had a low front mine had a low back but they both were like swirly yours and like green and dark green and mine and shades of purple and that was the day we did that famous photo shoot yes you feel like you're watching like the bobsy twins go on an adventure and then you're flirting

with a dude we've never seen before and and they have Lucas walk up to Peyton and he's instantly jealous and I was like I get it I want to know more about what she's talking to that guy about Who is that guy? What's the vibe? Did Hillary kiss him after work? I don't know. I need to know. I bought it from the walkup. And it was a reminder of how fresh. But like it was fresh to see you as someone knew. It felt fun. Yeah. I love like what's happening in this season. And I can tell that like, you know, 24, 25 year old Hillary Burton was also having fun. And I remember. I remember. this scene you know I remember feeling really defensive of Lindsay because we had that fun exchange at the beginning and it was like I fucked up you're a cool girl I'm gonna be a cool girl too we'll be cool girls together and then it's like she's daring me to go out with her boyfriend and we all know how this is gonna go but Peyton has to be honorable and so when Luke does this like you know lame he's not good enough for you stuff I hate did that, I mean, if you didn't watch the episode and you're listening to this, this is the moment when Peyton is flirting with the bartender and like having a finally free moment to herself. And he has to ruin it. He walks up. He's like, oh, let's go. She says, you know, I'm kind of enjoying this moment. So I'll see you later. Bye. Yeah. And he leans in and goes, he's not good enough for you. He doesn't even just lean in. He pulls her back and embraces her. Oh, you're right. in her ear. I honestly was like, oh my God, is he going to kiss her?

Like, I didn't know what was coming. It was so intimate. And it like felt, like I felt bad for the actor that was playing the bartender. Like all of it felt. Yeah, I did too. We'd all been together for long enough

that like it just felt real and kind of strange. And so when we were shooting that in particular, you know, all of Karen's cafe is windows. And so we had to shoot that at night. and the woman who lived across the street from close over bros hated us she hated us and so as we're doing the scene where i have to go out the front door and be like don't do that right she starts putting on like mariachi music and like blasting crazy music at two or three

o'clock in the morning because she's so pissed that we're filming and there's some fan video online of Chad and I just like dancing in the street because we can't film, we can't do anything. Until they turned it off. Oh my God. She's just making it go longer. I mean, that's it. We'll stay all night, babe. We're here. She didn't even realize she was shooting herself in the foot. Here's the thing. Did anybody track this part? Because I wrote it down in my notes. Lindsay does the thing you mentioned Hillary. She says, you know, you'd never do that. Like, you'd be a terrible person. I'm not doing it. I'm counting on it. You have your whole thing and it's funny funny funny ha ha ha but the opener because guys we usually skip the recap like duh we're watching an episode a week we know what happened last week we had a computer glitch this week we couldn't skip the recap at the end of the recap

Lucas's voiceover says something about well I have the quote written down what if the things we were looking for were in tree hill all along and as Lucas is reading that part of his little voiceover monologue, it cuts to Peyton on the river court. So they open the episode with a teaser about how he's been looking for her all along. And then Lindsay's like, you wouldn't be that terrible of a person to hit on my boyfriend when I told you to go to an event with him. And then he does that thing to you. He hugs you? No.

Nope. Nope. You know, I don't like it. You know there is drums. my coming. And I like that Peyton doesn't go home from the event. You know, like she goes home, she sees Brooke crying and never makes it about herself. She's not like, Lucas did a weird fucking thing.

It's just like, you know what? He doesn't even register. I'm so over him. I'm not even going to mention him. Yeah. Pass. I mean, you guys, I have to say, though, it seemed very realistic that he or a guy like in his position would do that. I mean, I've heard that.

with I'm sure something like that like he's not good enough for you and he's not which is doesn't mean come back to me it just means I'm going to you know keep some kind of control over you or just like put that in your ear exactly yeah yeah but it's so common it's so common that's what's so infuriating I think that's why we're also like because it's been done to us we've all experienced that yeah because you're so clearly marking your territory yes Victoria would say like I know. What's your point? Neither are you. Exactly. Neither were you.

Who is? Who is? I need more Victoria. Let's be honest. I would have loved it if Peyton would have run back in. Victoria, get on here. Get him. Yes. Get him. Get him.

Yeah. I know you hate me, but hate him more. Here's what he did to me. I think we also have to talk about how incredible it is to get Kate Vogel. and to have these scenes where you get to see her singing and like belting these songs and I was laughing that we gave Mia the Rachel Lee Cook treatment like we put this girl who looks like Angelina Jolie in a hoodie and we were like oh she's so awkward and insecure

and then she starts belting like a freaking legend at the piano I totally forgot that's how Mia came to us the combination of you and Kate is so great. Yeah, it's nice to see that mentor relationship. But also history repeating itself. You know, the life in a small town is about cycles. And watching Haley take Mia the way she should have been mentored instead of Chris Keller, you know, ruining her relationship.

Yeah. God, if Haley had just had a Haley, what would have been. Yeah. Man, Adele's so smart. What? Adele Lim, she's so smart. I thought you met the singer Adele. I'm like, did she have a Haley?

No, Adele Lim. Sorry, the writer, a writer. So smart. It's just so smart to tie all that in. Yeah. We're going, oh, another woman who belts at the piano like a legend, of course. But wait, Joy, I have a question for you. Because there's that beat where you, before the true mentor relationship starts,

at the beginning when you first walk in and you catch her. Haley catches me a singing at the piano in her little hoodie. and, you know, she's looking all cute and emo. And she's so afraid that Jason, the Kevin Federline's going to find out, and she runs off. And you do the thing where, like, as she runs out of the room,

we can see Haley having an idea. I'm like, do you remember if that was one of those times that you got the parentheses under Mia exits and then off Haley scheming? Like, did you have that kind of thing in the script? I'm sure it was. Wheels turning. Yeah, wheel.

Oh, they loved a wheels turning, didn't they? Oh, they loved a wheels turning. Wheels turned so many times on this show. Didn't we used to sing the journey song? The wheel in the sky keeps on turning. I feel like the AD department definitely would sing that song, making fun of us. The only song we heard all the time on set, mostly because I would sing it, was turn around. Never never, never.

Like, I just couldn't help it every single time somebody said turn around. It was like my brain was screaming until I let it out for, like, even the little tiniest moment. I'm sorry to all of you who had to live with that for so long. It was a delight. I mean, a delight. I'm sure it was. You just voiced what the rest of us were thinking, babe. Yeah.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Kate's introduction is great. it struck me how young she is.

Like, as young as we all were, what was she, 17, 18? I thought she was 19, but we were not 21. We were all older by 24 at that point. Yeah, we were all like 25 by now. Yeah, she was definitely young. I think she was 19. And I love that she really struck that emo vibe of like the really like glossy black bang across the face.

Like we'd had enough emo bands on the show And Peyton is like the least emo-looking emo girl Because there was a uniform You wore sweatbands on your wrist You had that glossy bang that hung down over your face You had the eyeliner and there was just The hoodie sweatshirt And Kate is finally the right representation

For that that lovely little subculture I still listen to the emo station on Sirius Radio I know you do Daphne did you ever have an emo face or like any kind of specific music phase. I'm just writing this down. I go, should I say this? You're going to sound really old and out of it.

Say it. Say it. I don't know what emo means. Emo was a Sesame Street character. Okay, so listen, like remember like the James Taylor, like emotional folk rock vibe? All right, now put some like bass guitars on that and a bunch of boys with terrible haircuts. And that was emo. No, that's grunge.

Grunge. Grunge was nirvana, but the emo came out of the grunge thing. It was way more like 80s glam rock. These boys had so much hair product and so much like stage production. It was like play acting punk rock. But instead they were just talking about girls dumping them all the time. It was like deeply emotional rock music. Like Daphne Follow Boy is like a very emo famous band. emo okay so it means emotional but like yes it's short for that okay well my era was james taylor the o g of emo yeah i mean i mean i mean you know you couldn't improve upon that it was so simple and pared down and it's just so pristinely perfect and spoke from the emotion that we all related to so simple but um i got to say

listening to you guys talk, I mean, when I hear that kind of music, I get so tired of these boys saying the same thing in another way. It's kind of like I love country music. But you know that whole thing like the truck songs? Like the cowboy and the truck, you know, I'm going to take you down a dirt road and we're going to, you know, whatever. It's like how many ways can you say one thing? It's just one thing you're saying. There's nothing else there, you know. I would prefer if you help me with the mental labor of grocery shopping and cleaning the house. Sure, sure. Wash your truck. Have a fun. But it's just so funny to talk about the repetition. But, you know, and speaking of that, well, never mind. I think it was another episode.

I watched like three of the these in a row. Oh, my God. I love you. I'm so great. But I just, it was so, I mean, I guess not analyzing everything, I just really, every time I, you know, I really get why. the fans are still strong, you know? I really do. Like, other than you guys have made this wonderful you parlayed what you were and grown in front of, in the public into this version of yourselves, you know, you've grown up into this and it's so rich and you have so much to offer.

I also, I get it. Like, so watching and I was like, you know, David went off and did something and he comes back and he goes, are you still watching? I'm like, wait, who is that guy? Who, wait, what happened there? And I'm literally thinking, oh, if I were the fan of the audience, I would just totally, just totally get it. Because you guys, you know, I know you behind the scenes, but you really showed up and brought it to the screen.

I mean, you really did. And then knowing you, now knowing you more, it's just it was just i had so much fun watching it that's all and again everyone's so good okay wait i have a question because i wanted to ask you this anyway but now knowing that you've peaked ahead do you i mean god there's just so much coming for victoria do you have a favorite storyline or moment for her when you look back on the years that you did the show with us A Victoria line? I mean, listen, I did five years.

So there's so much to come, you know, with, with, there's just so much to come, including becoming a grandmother. Yes. Do little freaking twins. But this, just right ahead, a few episodes ahead, I love when she's like, okay, you're not going to leave town, I'm staying. And there's like in the bar and the trick, there's just. all that fun. Oh, that's right. You're like sexy dancing. Yeah, you guys have, you guys have all this

drama and there's, yes. It's, it was fun in there. I love that. Again, I loved, I loved her strength, but I also loved to bring humor to it. So when they would give me funny stuff, I just, I just ate it up. I just loved it. Because she gets to be both. Well, speaking of that like Cougar energy, we need to, we need to assess the mouth and his boss. storyline. How are we feeling about that? I feel like we avoid it because it's like I don't necessarily know how to feel about it. You know who the only person who makes me feel okay about it? Yes. His skills. Yes. Because he's so funny. His joy, like his bliss that mouth is like hooking up with the boss. Those scenes are so fun to watch Antoine. But I don't know.

The mouth and the boss scenes make me feel very uncomfortable. yeah i don't i don't have an opinion about them i just wait for them to be over because i'm uncomfortable too like he's doing a great job the actors are great it's not their fault i've hated it and there were some specific lines in this one about like there was stuff where it was like oh i'm hooking up with the boss and now she's going to put me on tv and is that the lesson that we're trying to yeah pass along um but when mouth goes and it's like I saw you on a date with someone else and this grown woman said my personal life is my personal life but I'm here aren't I and that other guy was boring like I just

really liked how she did that because she wasn't wrong like her personal life yeah is her personal life and I like that she asserted that like I don't owe you anything I appreciated that moment. But that's about all I appreciate it. I did like Antoine's lines. Yeah. You need to ask for a raise. Yeah, you need to ask. The claw marks. Oh my God. Those were aggressive. Yeah. Too much. Yeah. It's such a weird storyline. But we saw a glimmer of Mouth and Millie, which was exciting. Mm-hmm. Your first meet. The meat cute in the story. Oh, it's so sweet. Lisa is such a joy to watch.

Yeah. Yeah, she's real dropped in. God, I just, I remember feeling when she showed up, I was like, oh, everything just got better. Because she's so much fun as an actor. She's so wonderful as a person. I mean, just so great. And I don't know, there were so many happy stories that came out of our show in these years like Michaela and her husband, Lisa and her husband, like, you know, Lee and his wife, like so, just so many things were blossoming. And it just felt like such a special, sparkly moment. And interestingly, as as our characters got to get back to friendships. And, you know, obviously, Daphne, you came in as an initial foil. But we, we, we. forged a great friendship like so many of us who'd been there for so long were having these

experiences of friendships and then there were folks coming in who we just loved immediately and then who also found this sort of new joy in their lives like this happiness it I don't know it's just a really I look back on season five really fondly I loved it when Millicent likes Lee's mouth I just was like, oh, they're just perfect, you know. Perfect. And I agree about Lisa. There was a softness. Her character was just, you know, sweet.

And there was just a softness. It was really fun for me to work with her. It balanced out the energy that I had to play, even though I was throwing darts at her. Yeah. And plus she's just so nice, you know, when the camera, when there was a cut, she was so funny. You know, we just had, it was sweet.

Remember how excited we were when we found out, she was a real Disney princess. Yes, I was going to say that. We were all just like, what? That's the coolest thing you could tell us. Right. Wasn't she like Ariel or something? Jasmine.

Jasmine and Bell. Oh, and Bell, that's right. Mm-hmm. God, she's so cool. She's so cool. So perfect. Yeah, man. Just that bright and bubbly energy,

there's nothing you can do to squash it. No. Yes. Perfect. Her coming up with that little check. Yeah. with a paper check. Remember before Venmo, we had checkbooks?

Oh my God, it makes me want to cry. That did make me cry. That moment with as much as Victoria's been badgering Millicent in this episode, Millicent being willing to stand in front of Victoria, not just in front of Brooke, but with Victoria watching and say, I believe in you. It's so bold and it's so kind.

And I just loved it. We got a lot of information about her, too, because it shows us that even though she's eager to please and wants to do hard work and wants to kind of float under the radar and she's just trying to get by, we got the information that she's not a pushover. Yeah. Which I think is really interesting.

Mm-hmm. Right? She brought that check in front of, I'll buy it. To have all those typical characteristics of somebody who you would think would kind of be a dormat. you know, if we're using that phrase. But she's not, she's not at all. She's actually, she's very confident.

Yeah, it's cool. Did we miss anything? I'm going through my notes. I was going to say we have some really important things happening on paper in this episode. Millicent hands me that check. Yes. And then Haley finds the Jamie and mom drawing that turns out to be Nanny Carey. Like, I don't know if it's that, because I was watching it.

I was like, yeah, so what? Like, that's, of course, the kid's going to make a drawing. of somebody who's become important in their life. That's not a big deal. But I guess when it's your first kid, I was like, actually the first time Maria ever did a drawing and it wasn't about me or her dad, it was like a nanny or something like that.

I definitely felt a little pang of like, oh, other people matter. I want to be the only one who matters. You know, you got to adjust. Yeah. But I also think the interesting thing is, right, Haley has been sacrificing her self for her family and loves her family obviously

and has been their support system but in the first moment that Nathan starts to show up again and in the first moment that she gets some help and she thanks someone for giving her space to find her individuality again that space is being filled by someone else. And by the way, that's not a bad thing. Right.

Kids deserve community. Yes. But it is new. And this idea that like, wait, I've spent one week in the studio and now my kid is drawing pictures of someone else. Like, how do you process that? How do you, how do you divest from your own ego as a parent? Yes. And say, okay, this is okay.

And for us, knowing where the Nanny Carey story goes, I'm like, oh, God, it's like death by a thousand. and cuts like it's starting yeah and it's i don't know i think it got to me in in perhaps a more intense way because i know who nanny carey is yes going to be but it it really did make me think about it and you said it earlier joy you were like you just can't have it all yeah and i've heard so many women i respect say look you can through your life but you can't have have it all at the same time. No. You know, everything is about balance and juggling and, you know, Haley's getting some of herself

back after this period of immense sacrifice and putting herself last. And she's feeling it. And I just thought it was cool. That scene where you were thinking, Carrie, all I could think about was that scene in the godfather where he knows, he knows his brothers betrayed him. And he goes and, like, kisses him in front of everyone. And it's like, like, it felt like, because the same way that Peyton read into the Lindsay stuff, I can feel Nanny Carey be like, what do you mean? Thank you.

I'm not doing this for you. I'm doing this for my boys. That's right. Like, you could just start to feel like the ickiness creeping. I'm excited to see where it goes. guys, I can't wait to see when Nanny Carey gets crazy. I can't wait to see

what Daphne saw prepping for this in the next three episodes. Well, yeah, wait. So do Victoria and the Nanny ever cross paths? No. I don't think so. And you know, I knew, you know,

Tori, DeVito, played my daughter and beautiful people in a series we did probably, I don't know, eight years earlier or six years earlier. That's crazy. Yeah, so we wanted to have the scenes together. That's all. We would see each other, you know, all we're like, ah.

But isn't that interesting that you guys had worked together before? So many people from our show have come in and out of jobs together. And then we left North Carolina, and I started working in Chicago. And then Tori came to work with me in Chicago. We were on these sister shows. Tori and I shared a whole universe there. That's so wild. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. It is a small world. It really is. It's so cool. We just keep finding each other. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and, you.

confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts

All right this is from Kim she says I was wondering if the location of the river court had already had a basketball court or if production created the court is it still there or when was it taken down? Oh this is a sad. I don't know actually.

No. We built it. We built it. They had had lunch downtown. There's like a whole story about this. The producers had been on a scout and they had lunch downtown. And they were like, what we want to do is be able to see this town. And so what we need is to find a basketball court over there. And they were doing a scout over there. They're like, we need to find a place here that can look back in that direction. And then somebody had the bright idea like, it's just asphalt. Like, why don't we just build it? But we, the whole story goes that Martin Lawrence was shooting a movie in Wilmington and base camp was in that empty lot. Is that where it was? Yes, by the battleship. And Martin Lawrence on this big budget movie was like,

I need a basketball court outside my trailer so I can work out. And they poured the basketball court for him. Wait, is that real? I don't know if it's real or an urban legend, But until today, this moment, I have always thought we were playing basketball on a court that was poured for Martin Lawrence before we ever got there. And they were like, actually, there's this random asphalt like by the river. We used to be a movie base camp. Does anyone know Martin Lawrence?

Does anyone know anyone who knows him? Because somebody's going to know. Somebody knows the right answer to this. Because I remember hearing stories about that Martin Lawrence movie because they had just, they had rap. not long before we started and that was like a big deal black night black night yeah it was the medieval one yes i want to be powerful enough just to be like build me a basketball court make me that thing or some ass ball please to be like you know what we're we're working 16 hours a day and i need to sweat so me and the crew are going to play basketball at lunch poor support it's great

yeah or a spa or make a spa i would like that yeah in a spa trailer please the girls have different ideas yeah it's been pulled up though right we had to pull it up after our show yeah they broke it up well it's because the land was sold and so then it was dug up and there was actually a big thing where you could contribute to like a Wilmington public parks project or something and buy a piece of the river court and I did because I was like well of course I want a piece of it and I never got it I got an email being like, we're so sorry. The site, like, got overloaded and many more pieces of this asphalt than were possible to have were sold. And hopefully you don't want to renege your donation to the city.

And I was like, whatever, you can keep my money, but I really wanted my piece of asphalt. Give me my rock. Sophia, was it like a form letter that went out to all the facts? Like, they didn't know who they were talking to. Yeah, it was just like an auto reply. And I was like, um. Dear customer. Okay.

Yeah, exactly. I don't mean to ask for special treatment, but kind of, can I have some? I do have a personal attachment to the court. But I do believe, aren't there condos there now? No, they're trying to build there. And it's super problematic because there's indigenous land that's there. And there is historically black-owned lands that's there. And so development on that side of the river is super problematic.

So I know that there's some advocacy groups that are trying to keep building from happening there. So if you're a One Tree Hill fan and you also want to get involved with some advocacy, look up those groups. Because I'm sure they would love your help in trying to preserve the space that was the River Court. It is a special little chunk of property. Give the land back to the people who are supposed to own it and let them decide what they want to build on it. No. Oh, somebody else. No, that was just a little piece of asphalt.

Oh, okay. Land, I have no claim to. That's hilarious. I just wanted, it was like a four by four little square. Yeah. I'm sad I didn't get one, but it's okay. I love the city of Wilmington anyway. I got a piece of the Berlin Wall.

Your fan won't even know. And literally, I'm not joking. I'm not saying that to say. You were there. Yeah, it was 1987 or eight or, I think. Seven in November. And we went there and we chipped the wall. So just for those who don't, to the family,

do people your age know that there was a wall? Oh my God. I remember that like it was yesterday. Yeah. And the east and west Berlin were totally different. Yeah. I remember you telling me that story early into us hanging out on set. And I was like, this is the coolest person I've ever met.

And you talked to me about how as the holes were getting chipped. there was a soldier on the other side and he waved at you and I don't remember if you told me that you realized he was a soldier because you saw his medals or that he or if he handed one to you so he had a pin right here he was all in green khaki green and did he give it to you yes i know it yes i can't believe this came up with us that's so funny oh my god daphne that affected me so much. Wow. Yeah, I said, so are you, you're on East Berlin. He said, hmm, and I said, so, but the wall's down. So do you need that pen? And he said, no. And I said, can I have it? I still have it, souvenir. Wow. And he just took it off and he went like

this through the wall. See, unless you ask for what you want, you may never get it. There's the to ask for what you want. Yeah. So that's why I'm pushing you to go get your piece of asphalt. It's your piece of asphalt. You're like, you better call up that city comptroller. Comptroller. You guys, what's our honorable mention?

Daphne. Yeah, Daphne, you stole the show. Obviously, stole the show. Those outfits, the hair. Those outfits and those one-liners. Oh, did we even talk about the hair? Oh, I have a silly fashion question. By the way, I loved her hair.

Like, it was like helmet hair. Like, soap, didn't move. I loved it. You know, all of it was great, the outfits. But that T-shirt that Nathan was wearing, what's the backwards 19? It said 19, but it was reversed. You guys didn't see this. You're so hit.

I clocked it, too, and I was like, they bought that at the mall. Like, someone went to the mall and bought that. I thought for sure the fans were going to. to say, duh, it's like a big band or something. So it was just maybe. Wow. Okay. Well, if you guys know out there, somebody tell us.

19, it was backwards. It was so weird. It looked like the shirt was inside out. Yeah. I don't care about Nathan's Hot Topic shirt. I care about Victoria's St. John Kashmir Nets. Hello. Oh, my God.

Could you die? This is the season of the women. And Victoria is leveling us all up. oh my gosh major honorable mention all right let's spin a wheel all right daphne we're doing most likely to so did you have superlatives at your school that had 12 kids in it in vermont did i uh like most likely to succeed oh yes best looking at all that what did you win do you want me to brag yeah yes okay and yeah cutest most likely to most talented most likely to i think mine was actually most likely to go to Broadway

instead of Hollywood. And I never been to Broadway. There's time. You have so much time. I think you're going to win this one too. Somebody read it out. Guys, our wheel landed on, most likely to host SNL.

That's so Daphne. Yeah. This is totally you, Daph. Yeah, Daph, you would kill. The Melrose plays skits, the spaceball skits. like the list goes on you'd have so many classic

iconic films and TV shows to spoof wait have you hosted I didn't from Melrose Heather did it and Laura did it but I have to say I was pretty honored when I was portrayed on SNL as Joe in Melrose Place I forget who did it but they were like

all in black and just like just like down and like you know picked a bad boyfriend I mean, because that's what my part really was, basically. Did S&L ever spoof One Tree Hill? Yeah, they made fun of chat a couple times. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So in real life, Daphne would host Saturday Night Live. Who? Yes. Like, what character on the show is most likely to host Saturday Night Live? Book Davis, she's the most famous. Yeah, Brooke. Or Mouth. I mean, Mouth, if he becomes a bigger TV personality and, like, he's a sportscaster,

he's on the news and then, I don't know. Would Mouth have become the actual Ted Lassau? He could have. Or Chris Keller could have hosted S&L. I feel like Chris Keller could have kept going. The musical act that like picks up and is like, I'm out of here. Oh my God. Wait.

What if, because it would have been so humiliating for her if we go with Hillary's idea and Brooke hosts S&L and they book Chris Keller. The musical act. I'm in for that episode. I want to see it. That we should have done that on the show. Yeah, that would have been fun. Like Victoria should have gotten Brooke on S&L.

And then Chris Keller could have been booked and just opened the door to his dressing room and his Elvis outfit going, well, well. Oh, no, it's so cringy. So cringy, but funny. I love it. Oh, it's been so great having you, Daphne. Thank you for joining us for this afternoon. You guys, this is so fun.

next episode you've already watched are we going to be happy next week it's all good it's all good come on you're either just take drink your white wine spritzer have a bag of hot corn don't take it so seriously it's so much fun don't take it so seriously yeah it's fun to cringe too you guys like the cringe every now and then which is yeah good so there's some yeah good especially with the nanny carry stuff miss haley I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm so excited. All right. What do we got next week? All right, friends. Next week we have season five, episode five.

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