Drama Queens - Kate Voegele

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

Good fit, bad fit…Kate explains who should have been Mia’s romantic end game and who was hands down, a mistake. She shares a humiliating story that occured during filming and admits to sneaking easter eggs into her music!  What were they?!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Kate, I'm so excited that we have you because the last time we spoke with you it was in the middle of the strike and we could not talk about anything that was show related. That's right. God, that's right. That's so crazy. Yeah, exactly.

No, it's so fun. It was so fun to what a blast from the past, y'all, like watching, you know, they were like, watch episode 615 and I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. And I'm like, on my Apple TV like, one tree hill, you know? And my husband was stoked because we weren't together, you know, when I was working on the show for the most part.

So he was all about it. He was like here for the commentary. Like it was super fun. So it's so great. Thank you guys for having me back. Well, so we're going to give you the double episode treatment. Tell her how this works, Sophia. Yeah.

So because we didn't get to talk about the show, we did our 23 questions with you, but nothing about what we were, what were we even saying? Were we calling you like, Shmia? we kept doing that kind of thing being like on that show about hypothetically if you'd ever been on TV. It was amazing. It was a code, yeah. Yes, but after that, so many fans wrote in and we're like, okay, the strikes over. Here's all of our Q&A for Kate.

So we have fan Q&A for you. That sounds amazing. I love it. That's perfect. More Kate in our life. We need double trouble today. More Kate. I'm all about it, guys.

It's so good to see you. Oh, my gosh. Well, tell us a little bit about your background as a kid. Like, were you one of these kids that did theater? Did you ever want to be on TV? What led you down this dark, twisted road? Yeah. Yes, I was an art kid.

I was definitely an artsy kid. All I ever wanted to do was paint and draw and sing and put on plays with my cousins and my sister. And I did a bit of theater. I did like a couple of like kind of random. acting classes, a couple of little community theater stuff, but nothing like my trajectory was music. Like my freshman year of high school, I'm 14 years old. I started writing songs and it was like my, that was like, I found my thing, you know, and I started playing shows. And that was really my dream in life was to sign a record deal and sing my songs for people on stage. And so I never

really was like, that has to involve being on TV, but it was kind of an accidental detour that my career ended up taking when I auditioned for the show because, and I think that's why I wasn't nervous when I auditioned because I was like, I'm not going to get this. I'm just like, yeah, I was like screwing around. I was coming through L.A. I didn't even live out in L.A. yet on tour. And I, and my manager was like, hey, if you get this, you might get to play one song on this show. Um, and I was like, sweet. Like, that'd be, I'd already signed a deal. You know, it was an indie deal. I signed, you know, this indie deal. So we were like, grassroots in it. In my parents, Toyota Sienna van. Like, you know, like, doing the thing. Um,

but we needed, we needed some looks, you know. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, cool. Um, but yeah, I, it ended up being such a cool part of my story because it's storytelling, right? And I've always thought of myself as a storyteller. That's all I want to do is tell stories that help people feel like they're not the only ones who have been through something. That's what writing songs is for me. And that's also what acting ended up becoming. So it wasn't something I necessarily planned on, but now I can't imagine not ever, you know, not not doing it. Wow. So do you feel like the trajectory you had as Mia is what actually made you want to stick with acting once the show was done? You know, I think so. I think I never, I don't think I ever would have on my own. And as you guys

know, like, acting is not something you just, like, dabble in and dip your tone. You're like, maybe, like, you have to be, like, it's, you get told to GFY so often with auditioning. Like, you got to be down to clown. Like, you got to really want to do it. Um, I haven't heard down to loud in a minute. Now you know we are old ladies. Shit, right? Seriously. Down to clown, Bogot.

Down to clown, y'all. Down to clown, y'all. But for real, like, it's so brutal, you know? Like, it's so intense. And so I don't know that I ever would have, because I was so focused on the music trajectory, and that is its own thing that's also very, very cutthroat. And so, yeah, it was kind of like a really cool accident that I ended up doing it. But I think I ended up falling in love with it, you know, in real time.

And also kind of learning how to do it in real time. If I'm being honest, like I had, I think I had enough background with theater and stuff that I got the part. And they were like, oh, you're good at this, you know, but I was very green. And like, you guys were. We all were green when we started. Yeah, I mean, but it was definitely like. I was aware, I think, when I got there, like, okay, I got a fast track figuring out what I'm doing here, you know, and it was, it was a definitely, like, a really interesting challenge, but a really fun one. And I was lucky to work with people who were patient and helped to tugboat me when I needed that at the beginning was really, really didn't need anything.

Honestly, we've worked with a lot of people on this show. And, like, you didn't need help, baby. like you were fine you were doing well it was it was really just something that i was always always grateful for because no we all know there was like some there's some wild stuff going on like it was the dynamic was weird things were crazy but i really was grateful that like the end of the day everybody was such a pro and such a friend about helping me get comfortable in this new role and so the imposter syndrome you know that that anybody that all of us feel i think when we start something new that's like a little unfamiliar that didn't last as long as it might of if I

wasn't with such like wonderful co-stars and amazing you know you guys were great so it was at the cast the crew everybody was like fabulous you know well you you talk about the cutthroat nature of the music industry and I wasn't in the music industry but I was you know right next to it with MTV and yeah neck deep in it at times and we're also seeing like topical news stories now about the music industry and people being exposed for being predatory. And so when people ask me about it, they're like, did you ever have to deal with any bullshit at MTV? And I'm like, not that, no, not really. Like it was so square compared to one tree hill. Like I got, you're doing like the teen drama, which is the cheesy thing. And that's what

everybody expects to be really safe. And the music industry is supposed to be, you know, they're going chew you up kid and so for you you also had to walk walk that line between both industries yes yeah i'm with you i definitely i mean everything seems like sort of um the little tikes like everything seems like puppy dogs and rainbows compared to some of the predatory vibes that we were all fielding on the tv show right um but you know i think the music industry it's interesting because I think that there was a particular type of kind of like the patriarchy abides for sure in the music business. And I feel like, but it was a different, it was almost like very transparent, you know, whereas on our show, I felt like it was disguised as mentorship or

like some other garbage friendship. Weird. Yeah. And then you were like, wait a second. but yeah in the music business I was always the only girl on the tour bus so it was me and a bunch of dudes and very quickly it was like I mean you know this is like 10 15 years ago things are not what they are now people were saying all kinds of crazy stuff

no one's worried about like am I going to get called out you know but it was very it was very like people were very upfront with it and I do feel like so I had to learn really quickly how to kind of you know volley back something you know I had to I had to learn to stand up for myself but but it was different because it was almost just like I felt comfortable there because I because it was familiar you know it was a familiar kind of BS versus you know yeah it manifests in so many different ways so I feel like the music industry it was less difficult

because it was less um sort of I don't know it was just more transparent. It was more just like, of course, you guys are all clowns. Nobody was pretending. Yeah, no one's pretending. They were all like, I'm a creep. And you're like, okay, you're, thanks for telling me. Cool. I will not share my dressing room with you. Yeah. One of the things I think that's also very interesting about what you're saying, when a dynamic is really overt, not that you should have to, but you very quickly, when you're the one woman in a room like that, you become one of the boys. And you're like, oh, I'll just be equally. ridiculous. And you guys will view me as like one of the dudes really fast. You'll get over the

fact that I'm the one girl in this room and I'll be like everybody's kid's sister. And I think as you talk about it, the thing that comes up for me is that that dynamic is harder when people are less overtly, like, jokey and gross. Because when someone is saying they want to be your mentor or they want to help you learn how to do your work or you know make sure they're always available to answer all the questions to support you you're like what's happening here yeah and why are you calling at these hours and is it because you're nice or is it because you're gross because like unfortunately the guy over there making the dick joke i know is just gross like and and so yeah the the kind of machinations of what we were dealing with and particularly when you

arrived because predatory people had had six years to learn how to be worse. That I think was really tough. And you, A, I'm so glad you had all of us and B, I'm so glad you knew you had all of us and C, even just observing you, you handled yourself with so much grace. Thank you. That means a lot. It does. It was so wild. I also think, yeah, to your point, like when I think about it in the music space, I was the boss. This is my tour. I'm Kate Vogel. I am the one paying you to play guitar in my band. Such a different power dynamic. Yeah, you're going to go try and sleep with a bunch of my fans and be a creep to my cute fans who came here, you know, and you're going to be gross and like cheat on your wife and like you know whatever like i saw it all it was like so brutal

but whatever you're just like they were just shameless you know and so you were like okay whatever do you i'm not here to judge i don't know maybe your wife is doing her own thing having sex with the lawn guy you never know what to each their own absolutely she did i hope she did i sure i sure do hope she did but you know it was like i'm paying you at the end of the day and i can tell you to get lost if i want to on our show it was like okay this is the first time that's the first time i've ever really like worked for somebody else which is a huge privilege to say but i started i started you know i made my first buck singing a coffee house at 15 years old so i was like whoa this is a different dynamic and this person and i'm also like i'm from oh i'm from oh i'm from oh i'm from oh i just

think everybody's nice and so i'm like oh you know what wow how cool that you want to like help me navigate this career and mentor me and like oh and you're such a hang you're a friend you know and then you're like uh oh like maybe this is maybe this is a little weird you know but this isn't what i thought it was yeah totally and that that part's wild how does that affect your songwriting because if you're writing songs at 14 years old pre any of this like crazy experience yeah and then these songs are the ones that are getting you signed they're taking you out on tour these are the songs that you're singing, but then you have to deliver more music as you're living this unfolding horror show. How do you go from your like 14 year old sweet girl songs to men are

awful? It's, you know, I think that's, and I'm sure you guys can relate, your artists, right? Your writers, like your inspiration, your muse, the things that inspire you to make your art change and evolve over time. They have to, right? Otherwise, you're going to get stuck. And I for me when I was 14, a boy ignoring me who I thought was, like, obsessed with me, but it turns out, like, I did not understand that he's just not that into situation. And he was not. He was. He was just being cool. He was later. But, you know, it's fine. He, it was like, that was the biggest deal in the world to me, right? And that was like, that was the soul-crushing thing at the time. So the songs that came from that situation,

were genuinely, I was pouring my heart, you know, into the, into the song, into the recording. And then I think you get older and like, shit hits the fan a little. And life is like, guess what? There's some more complication things that happen than just this guy, you know, being a 14-year-old, you know, like, whatever, bonehead kid. Now he's 40. Yeah, exactly. Now it's your boss. And it's like, you know what I mean?

And but you take that and you use that and say, this is a curveball, didn't expect this one, but it helps you, you know, you use your art to process that and to, you know, create something that hopefully will speak to somebody else for a second who's been through something. And even if it's not something similar, you know, people, people sing my songs back to me at my shows for their own reasons. And I don't ever want to tell them what those reasons should be. Like, you can get whatever, like, you know what I mean? I think there's, Dave Grohl, like, always talks about that.

And I love that. Like, you write it from your own stuff, you know? And, I mean, there are songs that, like, during that time, like, yeah, came from depths I didn't know I had because I was in unprecedented situations. But that's what's really beautiful about, you know, I don't think all art has to come from a tortured place. But sometimes it does. And sometimes that, that's, you know, the best thing you can do with that situation.

Well, I think that's such an important reminder, and it's something that has been really special to me to be able to do, like with all of us, gals especially, doing this show, is the fact that we get to talk about, the reality is, like, life is a mix of all the ups and downs and even our experience. Like, we had incredible times. We had so much joy. We had so much fun. And we had these times and moments. and weeks and experiences that we shouldn't have had to deal with. And I think we have this thing, and I don't know, maybe it's because we all grew up with fairy tales and cartoons where we're like, oh, when something's bad, it's evil. And when something's good, it's sunshine and roses. And it's like, well, actually life is super complicated. And I don't know, it was such a, it was like a fun moment that made me also a little emotional,

like really just enjoying catching up on these episodes and really watching your storyline knowing you were coming to hang with us today. And I was like, God, we were so lucky and God, we dealt with a bunch of shit we shouldn't have to. And it's the both and, you know? Yep. The both and. That's exactly what I was just going to say. It's so true. Like the both and, but so much of life is, you know, and that's kind of what you learn to navigate. And it really, it helps to have a community and people who are like, oh, yeah, I've been there too, whether it's people who genuinely were right there next to me, like you guys, you know,

or it's people who will live that in their own way. And that's what, that's a human part of it where we're all like, wow, dude, this is wild. Apparently there's a lot of tyrants out there. I didn't realize how many tyrants are just out there roaming around making people's life hell. Well, you just start to realize that like a lot of people really do get drunk on power. And they're just not that original.

So they all kind of wind up committing a lot of the same sins. And you're like, huh, maybe really if the women were in charge, things would be cooler and safer. Genuinely. Yeah. It's so unoriginal. That's what I'm always like, man, wow, like I come up with something new. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia.

and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other. native stories such as the creation of the first native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sage burn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts actually do have a question about the songwriting because that's not my spiritual gift and so I just don't understand how you do it and Hillary you kind of started to touch on this but

not only Kate were you in that season of your life where so much of your first record was made up of all the years you'd lived until then but you were starting on the show you were starting to be an actor you were going on tours and everybody always talks about how stressful it is for artists to make their sophomore album, did being on a show add to that fear of like, oh, I'm just going through new things and I have to somehow write about them and now I have to figure out how to write music about all of this in like the few off hours I have from a TV show or was being in such a new world that was so all-consuming like good for you in terms of material and creativity? Did like, did it help or did it hurt?

with that sort of stress. That's such a good question. I think it's another both and, you know. I think that I definitely can relate to the pressure that comes with, you know, not just a sophomore album, but just in general, I think once you get what you want, you know, once you get the part, once you get signed to the record deal, you know, the thing that's been your kind of North Star, all of a sudden, and I've always been someone who's put a ton of pressure on myself for,

you know, really trivial things, but this was all of a sudden like, oh, my God, now I have to like make music that makes all these people happy. And it's not just about processing my, you know, struggle with this guy or this, you know, this boyfriend from high school anymore. Now it's about making my record label happy too. And the radio lady wants to hit song. And so all of that pressure is there. But then, yeah, then I was so busy. I mean, I, I, like, lived. You know, But that's why I literally lived in like the Hilton Hotel or whatever it is now in Wilmington. Oh, the Riverview Suites. What a time, guys.

What a time. Like I lived there and when I wasn't living there, I was living on a tour bus or, you know, in hotel rooms, like playing shows. And it was like constant. And I do think that part of that busyness was good because, and there was necessity, right? it was like, I have this amazing opportunity to play my music on this show, which has, you know, a lot of complexities and stuff, but it has, there's a lot of great things about the community and the people on this show as well. And the fans are so wonderful. And so, okay, like, it's a project and this is, this is what I have to do. You know, I have to write this. And I didn't have any shortage of inspiration because I left college. I went to a year of college just to be, a normal person. Sophia and I did that too. We did, would we do two years of college? We were like, three. Yeah, we're dropouts too, baby. Oops. Oh, honey, best thing I ever did. Yeah. Hillary knows this, but Kate, you don't. I actually sat down right before I went in and did my final test for our show

with my collegiate advisor. And I was like, I don't know, Annie, it's my senior year in college. I'm never going to get this back. Maybe I shouldn't do this. Maybe I should just give myself, one more year and my sweet advisor who I'd never heard swear looked at me and when are you out of your fucking mind and I was like oh okay maybe is this like this is like a big deal and she was like this is a very big deal go pursue your dreams what a badass that's awesome badass I know what a dummy I was like they're the only going to be like one more winner formal what well but you know but I love that about you I felt the same way though like I I had this desire to just like make friends and go to a formal with my college boyfriend and like be a kid you know be just just discover stuff and um

and it was it was like one of those things where I had and it was a hard decision for me too like I agonized agonized over the decision you know yeah because it was like it was sort of it's like taking your arm off one monkey bar and not like I'm like I don't know if this show you know I thought my manager was like you're only going to be on like one episode and you're going to play a song um but But it was also like I had already, I had made my first album while I was still a full-time student in Ohio. I just kept flying back. It was crazy. It was like, it's time.

This is, you know, my dream. I got to do it. But it was hard. I broke off my first serious relationship. You know, I left my friends. And I, you know, I think that that and then three months later, I got the job on the show. So it was like so much new stuff, so much material for that second album was coming. at me left and right and so it was there and it was organic but um so i do think it helped to have

just like if you want to play these songs on a future episode of this show that you're on you got to finish the songs and also you know um and also it was hard because it was a lot at once and everything everywhere all at once emotions you know um great bad weird scary creepy you know everything blah but sometimes you make you know you make great art from that and And so it was, yeah, it was cool to be able to sort of have an opportunity to figure out how to mix all of that on a deadline. I love a deadline. Well, how much did you talk to your family about what was going on? Because I just, I mean, on our text thread, we've all been watching quiet on set, you know?

And those are young kids. And so we were just right on the other side of it. You know, like you were what, 19? You turned 20 while you were there. Like, Sophia and I were 20 when we started. You're just right on the other side of that legal line. And the checking in with the parents kind of stops because you're like, well, I don't want my parents to know I was out to one.

You know, I don't want my parents to know that I went to my boyfriend's apartment, things like that. And so for your parents who have heard you writing these lyrics as like a 14-year-old and can probably easily decipher them, you know, were they aware of what you were going through in this brand new situation. Such a good question. They, they were. Overall, they were. I mean, you know, I had a lot of friends with whom I could like really discuss some of the more, you know, the sorted details of text messages I was receiving that my parents weren't necessarily going to be an audience for, but they, my parents are like two of my best friends

still. They are amazing people who supported me so much in my desire to do something in a crazy unknown business, you know, coming from no one in my family ever was in the entertainment business. No one knew what we were getting into. They were so steadfast and supportive and not hovering, but they really, I give them just so much credit for like being there for me and hearing me and checking in, but not being helicopter parents about it, letting me be an adult. Like, my mom and I went through a lot of that stuff of, like, sleeping at my boyfriend's house, drinking, like, all that during my freshman year of college. Like, that was when it was like, we had fights about, like, you know, why you were, you were drunk

when you came home for the weekend. You never drank in high school. It's a really good kid in high school. Like, I was a total nerd. So my mom was like, what is happening? Like, Kate came home drunk. Kate has a boyfriend. She's sleeping in a hotel with her boyfriend.

imagine a young drunk Cape Vogel. You were so responsible all the time. I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure all of you saw a young drunk cable. No way! On the front street, like multiple times. Oh my God.

I was probably drunk or older Hillary. We were all in it together. We were all together. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. It was great though. Well, yeah, because, okay, so you had a very mini season of rebellion, but then you didn't have to hide anything after that, I

suppose. No, it was very much like, I mean, it's one thing that, you know, we don't have kids, but I am so, like, if I ever did, you know, if I ever was a parent or I was an aunt or I'm a godmother, you know, like, I'm so admire the way my parents really like, we had that. And then they really were like, okay, I want to be in your life. I want to be your friend, but I want to be your, you know, I want to be your family, first of all. But like, they really met me where I was. And they were like, okay, Kate's going through this stuff that's crazy and that probably isn't what we expected. But like, they just did such a great job of showing up for me, letting me sort of process it and handle it like an adult,

but also being there for support if I needed it, which I really think that was a big reason why, you know, it didn't, I mean, it affected me very much. I mean, as you guys know, but I think it really helped to help me navigate it, you know. To make it easier. To make it more manageable. Yeah. Antoine and I have talked about him trying to intervene in situations with you. I think he was always worried about all of us.

Like there was, um... He's such a sweet, sweet man. You know, Antoine is a flirt. Antoine can like get out there on the dance floor with the best of him and be like, you know, a good time. But he took protecting the girls of our show. very, very seriously and was, you know, for as much as those girls can be like, we were worried about you. He was worried about you. I think you're the same age as like one of his kids.

That's what I was going to say. You know, it's like you got to remember that even when we first started on the show, Antoine had kids. Like, he's definitely the coolest, most fun dad, any of us knows. But like, make no mistake, he also showed up as a dad and was like, those are my girls. And I love I really love and cherish that he did that and still does that. Yeah, he is, he's so wonderful. He's just, yeah, it's really, it's true that I think it had to be a wild experience for somebody like him and a lot of the guys because, you know, there's so much of like, how do you, what are you supposed to do, you know, how are you?

And I've talked to, you know, friends of all of ours, you know, guys from the show where they're like, none of us knew how to handle this either. there, you know, and I love that. I remember you telling me that you and Antoine had like a great chat about many great chats and stuff, but he's, he's such a treasure. Like, it's really encouraging to know, you know, even in retrospect, just like that people were looking out, you know, and our friends were looking out. And even when you don't even notice they're looking out, that's a nice feeling is to learn about it later and be like, oh, God, I knew that felt weird. I'm so glad you picked up on it, but then you didn't make it like a big deal, that you were just sort

of like, you didn't make it a thing. I'll sit on this couch until 2.30 in the morning until everything's cool. Yeah. And then I will go. Yeah. So it's truly, yeah, it is, it's wild stuff that like, just that they were privy to that because it can be really easy not to be. And, you know, or somebody says, hey, I got this. It's fine. You know, and it would be really, it would have been really easy for them to be like, oh, you know, it's fine. I'm, I'll just go home, you know, but it is, it's really, that is so, like, it's encouraging to hear that. And it's really, like, it's just like a remarkable thing in, like, years later to be like,

oh, wow, that's cool that you were looking out, you know. Yeah. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story.

story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know what I think is really interesting about that when you think about Antoine, when you think about, you know, all of our guys, like, you think about grubs, you think about Tyler, both of whom you've worked with. Like, the length and the lastingness, I think, of so many of these friendships, you know, like the way we just are able to kind of dive back in and in the ways that we, I think, had to learn about how. to navigate all of this, realizing that they were trying to do the same, that they were trying

to figure out, like, what to do with all of, you know, the energy and also how to, like, stick around. Do you, in your music, like, having worked with so many of the musical boys from the show now, and, like, even your new project with grubs, do you kind of feel like kid's sister slash, like, are you also the boss because you are such a responsible woman that you actually get these boys to, like, show up at the studio on time? Like, what is that? What is the evolution of, like, the good things that we've held on to from these relationships? How does that influence things for you now, having continued to work with so many of our people, not only as an actor, but as a musician? Oh, it's such a good question. I think I just actually stole it. It's sort of a Q&A.

I sort of realized I stole this question from this girl, Meg. So sorry, Meg. I stole yours, but then I added to it. And this will be a segue. It's a yes and of both and. We're going to get into the fan Q&A. You know, they're all listening. Like, you guys, Jesus, ask our questions, please.

They sent a lot. No, that's so awesome. I, like, yeah, I, it has been such a gift to, like, creative collaboration is such a wonderful thing when it works, right? Like, as you guys know, working on this, this podcast together, like, it's just, it's just something that, and you don't always get the, um, you don't always get the magic formula of being good friends with somebody and also creatively collaborating well with them. Like, I have tried to write songs with people who are good friends of mine who I'm just like, this is not working. It's like a relationship where you're like, you made out once and

you're like, this is not, there's sparks aren't flying, you know. But it's been such a gift to collaborate with people who like grubs is one of, and Tyler as well, but like grubs with this new band, we have a new band called Your Future Ghost for anyone who hasn't, who hasn't heard about it. Yeah, it's been, oh my God, it's been beyond fun. And it's like he is one of the only people on the planet, one of very few people on the planet who can relate, like, literally and understand the extremely specific nuances of the experiences I've had in my life that brought me here to where I am now. You are to those people as well, you know, but like making music with somebody who's also a musician who is one of us is wildly powerful. Like, it is so, like, creative

there's such a just an intangible magic that has to be there and you don't have to have been friends for years and have worked together on a show that has some crazy layered experiences with creditors. You don't have to have that

but sometimes that shared experience allows you to open yourself up in a way and be vulnerable creatively and in a human sense that you wouldn't be able to otherwise necessarily on your own even or you know and that's the thing like we um well it's validating

when you have someone else that says it and you can be your whole self exactly you can be your whole self you can make jokes that you know like there's certain there's just certain things that like it's like speaking your own like my little sister and i have this with our own stuff or you you you speak a language that other people are like why is this funny you know i feel like i have that very much with Grubbs in this band creatively and Tyler and I you know as well like I've loved touring with him so much over the years we've written songs together and collaborated like there's just a special magic that I think exists sometimes you just get really lucky and that that's definitely that's definitely been there for us it's been really really fun and and it was so cool to like tell people

about this band after having it for years and keeping it a secret on your show. That was like really special. Like the One Tree Hill fam. What's your favorite song though that you two have written together? Because I didn't know Grubbs. He came in after I left.

That's right. Oh my God. That's right. I only met him at a convention. I was like, this guy seems nice. Who's he? That's right. Where's he been?

Oh, you guys are like so cut from the same cloth. Like he is, yeah. He is like beyond cool and just. you know wildly talented but also just such a like such a hang you know somebody you immediately just feel like comfortable with who's funny and I mean you're like that like you guys are very much you know no he feels easy to be around he is yeah he is he's very easy to be around and he's very like he feels things deeply and he's he's he's just such a good friend you know

He really shows up for people. And we, man, the favorite song is, we have a single coming out on May 17th. Oh, heard it here first. Yes, it's called The Only One. And it's like our little, like, it's kind of like a love song. Like the band is very fun. It's a very dirty indie rock.

But this is like our love song moment, kind of. So it's very appropriate. I feel like One Tree Hill fans will love the whole album but this song is definitely one that I feel like people are going to be excited about so that drops in a little over a month and I think Grubbs and I are both going to be in Wilmington

that weekend so she's going to be at Love Fest Oh, you're going and that's going to be fun One Tree Hill fans love love! They love love love! We all love love love. Yeah, so that one right now is my favorite but then I'm sure I think we're going to drop the album in June so then I'm sure I'll be on to a new one by then

but that's what's fun about you know being a creative is I think that your kind of your current inspiration is always changing and then your favorite thing that you created is always changing you know and that that kind of is what keeps it fresh or something I don't know but it's it's been it's been really cool like so much fun to be making something with somebody who knows all the ins and outs of all the craziest stuff, you know, in my life.

That's really a gift. Did you guys work together on the show? I'm sorry that I don't know. I left. We did. Yes. I totally just realized that he, for some reason, I was thinking he came in in the middle of season six, but it was seven.

And so, yeah, we did. He was another recording artist, I think, on Red Bedroom Records. And he was a bartender. at the bar at trick well I mean you know it is

it was I mean man I had to brush up I had to be like okay did you do your homework what's going on now that we can talk about it I did my homework

yes I did because I was like I can't come in here like not knowing you know what's going on in these other storylines you know I can't just be someone

who like knew it was going on with Mia listen your storyline was cuter than shit I love the trajectory of Mia and when we talk about the episode, we'll get into the chase of it all. But Ellie has a question. And I want to know this too. So where we are right now, you've spoken about perspectives changing as we've gotten older. So like you are an older, wiser woman in the writer's room right now. What storyline do you want for Mia? Like what would you have liked to see Mia do?

I love that question. I think, you know, I would have loved to see Mia. see I loved that Mia ended up, you know, taking on more of a leadership role within the record label, you know, after Payton left and stuff. Like, that was really cool. I think I would have liked to see like more of that of her developing other artists, you know, and kind of like sharing the love that way. And then I also think it would have been cool to see, you know, for all the female characters, like sort of having these story arcs of having a family life and having a professional life and being able to be a full person doing both, which is such a novel idea for us ladies.

Who knew? If you're pregnant in Tree Hill, you're going to die. It's like, you're going to get driven off a bridge. You're going to get birth at prom. You're going to. Yeah, it's the worst. Some toughs going on. Yes.

Yes, indeed. Okay. So I love this idea, especially of getting to see you, like, really developing, producing, doing more of like the A&R stuff while building a life. Do you, do you think that life from, this is Taylor's question? Should it been with Chase? Do you think Chase and Mia should have been end game? I do. I do. I've got to be honest, guys, I do. You guys are so cute together. we're i mean we're steven and i are friends like his fiance like i love them they're like they're like two of our good friends and uh we've been at conventions together where fans have been like stephen who would you pick and he always picks mea so i'm like you know what i think i think that was the end game i think it was you know i mean they had a good like bartender in the bar but not a musician i don't think mea should have ended up you know because uh tyler and i when we would tour together People would always be like, do you guys think Chris Keller and Mia would have ever?

And I was like, no. I think they would have had a love, hate, professional relationship and then end up, like, liking each other a lot as friends and having a mutual creative respect and doing a tour together, you know? But I'm like, I don't think Mia wants to be with another musician romantically. Like, in the same way, I know. You know, yeah. I'm like, they're great, but it's too much. I can't. I got to be the one who's, you know, who's the expert.

I had to ask when we watched the first I'm making the playlist the first Mia Chase like makeout scene I had to ask I was like wait did they kiss in real life like it just the chemistry felt so real oh my god that's cute oh like did we date in real life because of all the dudes on our sets like I loved Coletti I felt like he was a really safe place to be and so I would and he would call him and be like can you meet me at this bar just please be here. I need here. That chemistry was cuter than shit. Loved it. Oh, thanks, Hiddle.

Thank you. I think he's your friends. Yeah. And he, but he, you know what's so cool? It's like, my husband loves it. Like, he watched the episode with me last night. Claudi and I are like making out for half of it. You know, it's like, that's what a secure partner who also like, you know, he has to go, like, he produces stuff in other countries for like three weeks at a time with like a bunch of like influencers.

And like, I think when you are both secure and why you're together, you celebrate each other's work. And he recognizes that as like, yeah, that's when you're an actor, like, that's, that's a work. And just because some people who have good chemistry as actors end up dating in real life doesn't mean everybody does. You know, that's a very simplified thing. Like, do you guys feel like you've ever had, you've ever been in relationships where people have been like super bummed that you had to kiss a co-stop? star like as part of your work i had a couple engagements before one tree hill young kate and they didn't go great um not everybody's into that lifestyle uh fortunately i'm with a man now who like has had to roll around with bond girls in movies exactly so i had to buckle up i had to be like

what's good for the goose it's good for the candor exactly yeah no jeff doesn't care but also he's a little suss about like all the Christmas movies because he's like he's like you started producing those Christmas movies and just casting all of your guy friends as the romantic lead and he's like are you just trying to kiss on your buddies? I was like no

it's safer to kiss a friend. It's a safe place. Yeah. I've definitely had some people not like what we do. Sure. You know, which is also to your point I think it's more about

security and whatever else someone else feels. What I think is really interesting, though, is learning how to kind of widen your definition of chemistry. Like, I only have, I'm only friends with people I have great chemistry with. That's true.

All our friendships are really charismatic friendship. Yeah, like my friendships are loving. You guys are amazing. Like, I mean, my God, you know, Hillary and I were out together in the city, the other night. People were losing their minds. We were just like hugging and dancing in a bar. Like, we all have great chemistry. And I think, I think if you can realize that, like, that's the perk of wonderful friendship and not think that chemistry has to mean something that isn't platonic,

especially as actors, we can use that. Like, our job is to create that. And so one of the things I actually am the most grateful for is what like what you're talking about that you have with Steven that I certainly developed with him in season four of the show like safe chemistry safe chemistry oh it's like the best gift of a friendship because you know someone else gets your joke before you're done making it you're finishing each other's sentences you sure make the scenes more interesting yeah and you're like you're not trying to hit on me I'm not trying to hit on you either and it's so nice you have a girlfriend I have a boyfriend we're friends blah like it's it's not a thing. It's not a thing. But I had a boyfriend before I met my husband for most of the time I was on

the show, a long distance relationship who like would give me hell about my scenes. Yeah, but that's just because he was threatened and insecure. Yeah. And then it was like I also, it's like I was making music videos where I had to kiss another guy and I was like, this is the, and we broke up over it because I was just like, you're a clown if you can't handle this. And I get it. It's not ideal. But like, this is, I don't have time for this, you know. But it's also your job. It's your job. And that was kind of The thing that I love, my husband got that right away. He's like, yeah, you guys are actors. Like, this is what, this is your, they're literally paying you to make this look like these two people are in love.

And it's like, oh, oh, oh, someone, imagine that. Like, you get it. If you're a good enough actor, you can look in love with anybody if you're a good enough actor. Oh, honey, tell me about it. Yeah. Just I could love a tennis ball. I love. You just got to sell it.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I guess I'm curious about this, and I'm looking at our sheet here, and so are so many of the fans, because there are multiple questions. Shana wants to know what your favorite song was you did on the show. Brooklyn wants to know what your favorite performance you did was on the show. I mean, they keep coming. So, like, I'm just going to kind of combo platter a bunch of people's questions. Because there is, again, as, like, co-worker slash fan viewer,

there's something so cool about getting to watch you perform music. Because, like, that is a whole other kind of chemistry. Like, you get to be a literal rock star, not just like us, like, us. like the circus performers, you know, pretending we love a tennis ball. So, like, when you look back on the show, do you have a favorite performance? Or is it something that, like, wasn't a song? That's such a good question. Oh, man. I think, like, they were all really cool in their own right, just because it was really incredibly fun to be able to play these, like, it was so cool that Mia's songs were my songs, you know? Because I remember thinking, this could,

easily have been a situation where, you know, the, the, the producers say, okay, we love that you're playing this musician, but we want different songs. You know, we don't want them to be capable songs. Sing something that we're forcing you to sing. Yeah, or sing something about Tree Hill or, like, write a song with the name Chase in it or something, you know, like, that was conceivable. Oh my God. No, I'm, thank God they didn't make me do that because it would have been like but could you? Could you write a song with the name Chase in it just for us? I can write a song about anything, right? It's like you saying I can kiss a tennis ball. I can write a song about anything and sell it. But yeah, but I was glad I didn't have to because I could really convey

like, oh man, I wrote these songs about real stuff in my life. I loved, I really loved playing the song at, I think it was at Peyton and Lucas's like wedding reception. The song was my song called Sweet Silver Lining. That's like about finding the silver lining when life is crazy, you know, which was something I was trying to do. Oh, what's that about? Oh. I was almost trying to do now then. But, um...

Wait, I never put that subtext together, Kate. That's crazy. Dude. There's a lot. You know, it's funny. Like, I feel like in sort of pop music after, like, I feel like Taylor Swift really kind of normalized this type of, which is great. This female songwriting that's very much like, I'm going to put Drew's name in the song.

And I was like, I can't do that because I'm going to get fired if I write a mean song and put somebody's name in it. But, you know what I mean? So I had to sort of find this way of sort of saying things without saying them, which was good for me as an artist and a lyricist and stuff. But you had to do a little more metaphor. Yeah. You got to find a little bit of a, you know, you got to say things a certain way. And that was one that I felt like it's been cool to see people say that that.

That's, you know, kind of help them when they're in because there's just, you know, that's the thing. Like we're talking about, you know, you're after your first breakup with like a kid who went to your family's church when you're 14, you learn like life, life has some more serious going on. And so there's always depending on, it doesn't matter the degree of, you know, the problem. It can be something really smaller. or it can be something really, really hard to weather or something in between. And you kind of trying to learn to find the silver lining in that is something I'm kind of always trying to. It's a continual thing, you know, you never arrive at being like, oh, yeah, now I got it. But yeah, that was one of my favorites.

But it's hard to pick. It was all, it was all so much fun. Dude, all I want to do is talk about secret messages and your songs right now. Like, was that the sneaky thing that you got in? Come on. Yeah. Yeah, what did you plant in the show that no one else knew about? Oh my God, you're turning red.

There's something. You're thinking of something. Yeah, there's so much, you guys. We could have a whole series on. I'm turning red. Oh, God, I'm scared. I mean, I will say that, like, some of the songs that were the most pointed, that were the most, that were the least riddled with metaphors came out long after the show

when it became clear that it was safe to, like, to say the thing. say such things um but yeah i mean there was definitely some stuff like that you know you you find ways to sneak it in there and um and i think like man if i or you take something and then you flip it to be about something else right sure like i still do this where like i adore my husband but if he pisses me off i will write like a lyric that's you know And then I'll come back to it later and I'll finish the song. And he'll be like, did you write that about me? This is really dark.

And I'm like, didn't write about you. You were just the inspiration. Sure. You said that thing and I got really pissed. You know what I mean? And so I would do that sometimes where there would be something where I was like, okay, well, I can't finish this song down this trajectory or it's going to be too obvious that this is about something that's going to get me fired. But let me take that and spin it into.

Yeah. Yeah. I love a secret message. I mean, I, when you put out the shoot your arrow song when we were in the thick of all the me too, I don't know how long you had been plotting that. I don't know how long it had been inside of you. But it, it was so meaningful to us. It was like an anthem. Yeah, it was like we had something to hang our hats on and be like, see, like, it happened to all of us, you know? And someone is able to articulate it in a way that I can't. It was just so nice. that you could do that. That's not a skill that I have. Yes. You put, you gave like life to feelings and experiences and also made it rock and roll with a

guitar and we were just like, yeah. Like we all needed it and there's. The text thread lit up. Oh, it really did. That was a nice week. It was. Well, what I sort of love, I mean, A, obviously about the song and all the things we've been able to talk about today. I also love that the other four questions that we had selected from

the bagillion we got for you, you just like answered in the answers to these things, except one that I do want to end on a high note, because this might have been movie magic, but it also could have just been that we all did go to bars together a lot. One of our fans wants to know if you're actually that good at pool in real life, or was that all set up? Guys, oh man, here it comes. Okay, here it comes um no i am not that good at pool in real life it's because you're so good at music though don't forget that yeah i want to be like the cool girl who's really good at bar games like i want to someday you know maybe maybe in my 40s maybe in my 50s who knows it'll be an era for me it's not right now and it sure as hell was not in my 20s and when i was 19 or whatever that

was like i think only my third or fourth episode like it was like one of my very first episodes. And I remember being like, hey, I don't know to what degree I'm in need to be awesome at pool for you guys to make it look like I'm awesome at pool, but I'm not awesome at pool. So like, and so I like worked, like I went to set and worked on it. I probably went to blue post and worked on it. But found out quickly that's not one of those things. It's like playing guitar. Like you can't get good at it in a weekend. Like you got to like, you got to like, you got to like know what you're doing. So this is so embarrassing, but also the magic of the movie is they had a double. So there was a double. Who was a pool shark? And she wore a black wig and the same outfit

as me. They got a double. And I remember being like, this is awesome and also humiliating a little bit. No, we got doubles. I don't swim. I was always like, put somebody else in the water. I don't want to do this shit. Totally. But pool is one of those things where it's like just sort of, you know, it's like just accessible enough where you're like, come on, no, I can do this.

But like, it's, they were, I guess they were like, we want you to be really good. And they were like, so far we don't think you're able to fake being amazing at pool. You know what? That's just a fucking male fantasy. They all want that like hot chick that can play. A hot girl in the leather jacket who's, sinks the balls. And you know what you did at 19? You said, fuck this. I'm not playing with that big

stick in front of you guys. Get a body double. I like this about you, Kate. I already play guitar. Like, what more do you want? You know? Right. I'm already cool. And I drink Jack Daniels. Like, I'm sorry. We can't all. We can't do it all. Like, we can't. I'm sorry. So, but they were funny about it. I mean, everybody gave me shit. And it was like, they were like, we do this all the time for other stuff. But it's just hilarious to have a double. Not for like, Mia joined the basketball team. And then you're like, okay, obviously there's going to be a double. Like, Mia was great at pool. And they were like, we're going to need to bring in some back up. No, man. Well, you were also delivering like a huge monologue. You had eight million lines as you walked around the pool table.

It was impossible. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. It was baptism by fire for sure. Thanks, guys. Thanks. All I'm really hearing, though, is that perhaps the next time we're all in Wilmington together, we should look up your pool shark double and have her give us a lesson. Yeah, we can hit the blue post. Yeah. She was great. She was super nice. Let's go out and learn a skill. I would love that so much. Would love it more than anything. Yes, I'm all about it. Learning new stuff is like, oh, it's the best. It's so scary, but it's the best. Like, well, why not? I'll redeem myself 10 years, 15 years later. Here we go, baby. Every decade. learn a new skill. Guys, to all of our fans at home, thank you for submitting questions. I am sorry

that we just mostly asked our own, but we've been waiting to ask Kate questions about the show for a really long time. And we're going to be back and actually, finally, dig into an episode with our Miss Mia Catalano. We're going to talk 615 with Kate Vogel. See later. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at drama queens OTH or email us at drama queens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl.

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