Drama Queens - Keeping It In The Family • EP 714

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Austin Nichols joins the Drama Queens this week to give us his reaction to the Scott/James family dinner, Sophia gives her thoughts on the sisters' fight in the pool and there is one moment that completely shocked Rob.  Plus, Austin and Sophia discuss what they loved about Brooke and Julian's storyline. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. well hello friends we are back and post not one but two conventions we're really like feeling the giddy here you've got us for season seven episode 14 aptly titled family affair which is really what our conventions feel like now this aired originally january 25th 2010 and today our special guest will read the synopsis for us austin take it away here we go the synopsis Nathan tries to keep Haley calm after Taylor shows up at their house with Quinn's ex-husband in tow. Julian sticks up for Alex on the set of their movie and Brooke leans on Alexander to ease her heartache. Meanwhile, Clay gets a chance to prove his commitment to Quinn by helping her through a dinner with her sister and David.

This episode is directed by Paul Johansen, writers, Mike Harrow, and David Strauss. This was a good one. This was a really... Can I jump in? Jump in, buddy. Good morning, whore. You can leave now. Start the episode.

I just started laughing out loud. I was like, oh, my God, this episode's going to be full on. Was this like, was this peak just like, what did I, I wrote some notes? Like, peak juicy one tree, it just seems so juicy. Yeah. Or was it always in every episode? I don't think it was always this intense, but it really went for the jugular on the, like, old school, it sort of made me flashback that morning scene. I was like, wow, we've really graduated

from like Brooke, Bevin, DeNeil, or Rachel, and Peyton being like, slut, whore, bitch, thank you, in like, you know, season three or whatever that was. I was like, oh, we're on good morning horror. And then the response is nothing he hasn't seen before. Reminding the audience that Taylor is the one who took Nathan's virginity, I was like, wow, we're really, yeah, these girls are like in the mud. It was, it was really something. It was definitely gratuitous. And I was, I immediately went like, was it sweeps week?

Like, what was the, you know, it was very, just very juicy. Well, in that same scene, Joy has the incredible line. Haley has the great line, she says, you like that outfit enough to get buried in it? Or do you want to go put something on? I was like, great. like they set the tone in a very good way like you knew immediately after that first scene okay this is what we have in store for ourselves great yeah you knew it was going to be knocked down drag out through the whole episode which becomes literal by the end but what I sort of I don't know

I sort of loved it because it made me giggle you know we've all talked so much about how like the on-screen drama is great but there's also that just the preposterousness of what happens when you trap a group of young people together for 10 years and like everybody's dated everybody, everybody knows everybody's business. And I was like, wow, they're taking some of these people's lives and making it so extra and so ridiculous. It just made me giggle. I was like, I feel like I saw things in it this time around that I didn't see in real time then. And yeah, felt very balsy. 100%.

I was, you know, we're all older now. Years have gone by and you're, you know, looking back at ourselves as kids doing this stuff and going, what, what's going on? I can't believe we were doing this. But, you know, it's a young drama about young people. I love it. It is, it's interesting to watch it with older eyes. Isn't it?

What were some of the things that you noticed this time around, So? For me, it made me laugh because I, I think back to our life. in season seven and they were like very mellow. My early life on this show was not. And it was very funny to me to be like, oh, in a very similar way to the way I think Brooke and Julian sort of look on screen, almost like the mom and dad now. Like they have a little bit of drama, but it's gentle. I was like, wow, there's just shows happening and people had shows going on in their life. And it made me laugh because I was just so relieved that it wasn't me. And I just like, I don't know. There's a there's like a playfulness to all of it that is so ridiculous but also

kind of legit. And and I think we've talked about this. I'm really trying to be careful because I don't want to be specific about anybody's lives obviously. But like there's times when our lives were mined for on-screen drama and times when on-screen drama was so ridiculous and unrealistic. And I can just, I can see all of that in this episode. Like some of it's not based in any reality some of it's based in reality some of it's so extreme and ridiculous and it it just makes me giggle because to austin's point like it's been so long we all laugh at each other we've we've been a family now for almost 20 years and i don't know i was just very amused it all felt very meta and it made me laugh a lot well made for good tv because this was a fun episode it really was it really was

And I also want to say, like, Sophia, what did you think about the pool, the girls all going in the pool at the end? Like, complete honesty. I think I actually made notes about this. Hold on. Let me scroll down. Because I remembered, like when the episode started, I was like, oh, yeah, this is the one where they all fight and wind up in the pool. What I wish they'd done for the girls, because I actually thought you got this flashback. Haley and Taylor wrestling was really good because it was so childish.

Yeah. And what bummed me out is that they very clearly just wanted the girls to end up in the pool. Mm-hmm. And I was like, wouldn't it have been great if they'd shot something where, like, I don't know, Taylor had gotten Haley on the ground and, like, wouldn't get off of her? And so Quinn shoved Taylor in the pool and then Taylor grabbed Quinn's leg. Like, I would have loved to have seen everybody wind up in there in a little bit of a messier way. And I was kind of bummed that they, it worked obviously, and it was probably a safety thing. Let's be real.

But I was bummed that they just had Chantelle knock everyone into the pool, like, kind of out of nowhere. I was like, oh, that, that doesn't track. And like it, I felt like it was a missed opportunity to give them a little more calm. comedy. And that bummed me out a little bit. And I only say that because Rob and I have been talking a lot lately, and we did this last week when Joy was with us for our friends listening. She's on her book tour, so we don't have her this week. So Sweet Austin came to fill in, so thank you. But like, we talked last week about how there are these opportunities to have things be really grounded, and they're almost there. They're 90% of the way there. And then

they're 10% lazy. And I was like, I would have loved to have seen Quinn, like, try to get ripped Taylor off of Haley, and then they all fall in the pool. But I was like, they had her, like, dive at the girls, like, alignment in a football game. And I was like, why did you make her do that? Because she's, like, a tall, elegant person who also is strong and could totally do, like, a stunt sequence. And I was like, oh, man, it was all working for me until they, like, they just made the

girls get wet to get wet. and that bummed me out a little bit. Is that why you're asking? Yeah, exactly. I have two minds about it. One, it was hilarious and entertaining. And then the second part of me starts going, okay, this is a little gratuitous.

The guys are drinking beers and watching. And I'm glad they weren't in underwear. You know what I mean? Oh, yes. You know, if Nathan had, like you said, if Nathan had like maybe tried to intervene and then he gets pushed or if it had been more of an accident or even if, you know, melee like you said or or even guys in trying to whatever um but yeah it did it did enter the realm

of hot girls fighting in a swimming pool yeah watching and i was like yeah yeah i totally agree with you and everyone's already so dressed up like it's a dinner at home and girls are in like miniskirts and corsets and four inch heels like it's already so crazy and then they get in the pool I don't know. I saw both sides of it. I liked the goofy sibling thing and I wish we'd leaned more into it because, to your point, the girls were like so hot in the outfits that I was like, give us the goofy all the way across the finish line in this one moment, please. Yes. Yeah, you can earn it a bit. It kind of feels like it's sort of like when you watch it, sometimes you watch a performance of an actor and you go, did they just shoot the first take or the rehearsal? You know, it's sort of like. okay, like you got the words out, you know. It felt like it was in the writer's room. Someone just pitched it and they went,

don't go any further with that idea. It's perfect. Yeah. Because it's like just very obvious. Exactly. They end up in the pool. I don't know. Maybe one grabs the other and the other pushes them both in.

Perfect. Perfect. Don't change a thing. Yeah. Yeah. I also, I was, and I'm not here to rip the episode at all, but I was wondering why anybody would sit down at that dinner.

I'm going, why is anyone choosing to sit down at this? I wish that would have been like that dinner would have come together in a different way. Like everyone chose for some reason to sit down at that table. And I was like, no. Why is this? That one bumped me. The one place where I got it and I actually thought it was a really great scene for them,

Joy and Chantel did such a good job in the scene at Clay's Beach House. Because Haley is like, why are you doing this? And Quinn's like, because this is who Taylor's always been. So I can't let her get to me. And Haley makes a joke about killing her. And what bummed me out is there was such a good button on that scene. Like, yeah, I'm going to kill her with kindness. Like, cliches are a cliche for a reason, you know?

And they didn't take the bait on it. And I was a little, again, I was like, writers, come on. Like, you've gotten us 90% of the way there, finish it. But I did like the idea that Quinn was like, listen, I understand why David's upset with me. And I'm just going to have to take it. And my sister's always been an asshole. So she's going to be an asshole. But I wanted, I liked that that felt grounded. And then so many other things didn't. And like, I'm sorry, but saying Grace and Taylor saying, I have been calling out God's name a lot. I was like, they're just, it was so. And then she teaches

stripper aerobics, and the rest as they say is sex. I was like, no woman talks like this. If she made the God joke, that would be the end of it. They make out at the table in front of other people and no one gets up to leave. Right.

That's what I'm talking about. I have two minds of it because it was ridiculous, but I was also just laughing my ass off and enjoying the hell out of it. Yeah. That's something I've been sort of figuring out lately when I watched the episodes, right? Because I found, I think for a little while, sort of getting into this

groove of being critical and like, well, this, like, I was sort of becoming the logic police. Yeah. You can't do that on a teen drama. That's exactly what I realized. Like, that's not what this show is. This isn't a docu series. It's a fun show. And so like you, Austin and I, there was stuff, like, listen, for Taylor and David to show up and spend the night, like, they're sociopaths. Like, there's so many issues, right? Yes. But I just had to go, like, if that, since that was the start of it, I had to just go, this is going to be a fun ride and I'm on it. You know, I'm not here to pick apart why that doesn't make sense. Like, stuff's about to get real awkward and uncomfortable, and I'm here to enjoy it.

Yeah. Yes, and it's a TV show. And it's a, like, it's a, like, we're here to, you know, to put some, some fun, some juicy drama on the screen for the audience. But I will say that it did make David just, like, any, any credibility. or sympathy he had earned with the audience is out the window. Yeah. So you can rightfully be heartbroken if you've come to a point where the person you

looks at you and says, I just can't do this anymore. Like, we get it. We get it. That's hard. He got left. That's hard. Your response to getting left is to bone her sister. Like, sir, what?

It's so crazy. And then they wrote, this is. is what made me nuts. They wrote this thing that he was so mad at her for lying that she'd moved on faster than she had, as if that's the worst thing that's happened in this dynamic since they broke up. Like, he's dating her sister, and he's mad that she suggested she'd moved on more quickly, physically than is true. Like, I was like, you can't be mad about that. In what world are those two things comparables. Like, you, you fibbed about sleeping with this guy to push me away. I actually went and sought out your sister and slept with her. And I'm dating her and brought her home for dinner.

What? Oh, it's so petty. It's so small time and petty. But it also, and I want to be clear, I wouldn't say this in a room with a Zoom room with two of my favorite men. If you weren't two of my favorite men like I get I say these things in front of men because I'm like you're on the inside the men who wrote this like what this says to me about the man who ran our show and the way he looked at at women I think that's why like and now I'm so uncomfortable you know me the minute I say something that I worry could ever like be taken the wrong way then I have anxiety for two days I was like laughing about how they took little things from everyone's lives and then made them 100 miles an hour psychotic insane sprinkled in fucking hot fire dust on the show like all of this

stuff I'm giggling about from the beginning but like it's actually so nuts that we were in an environment where someone equated these sorts of things like I've moved on because this really wasn't healthy for me into this is equal to your ex sleeping with your sibling and sticking their tongue down their throat at you like at your parents dinner table essentially like it's I just go like wow that's the way you think about women and their autonomy and they're not liking you even this is nuts right it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture.

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same vein to switch scenes for a moment. How about when we are on the set of their movie, it's the first time we've been in Lucas's house on set and Julian and his dad are talking and we see the director actively groping Alex. And unfortunately, the response Julian and his dad have is to make a joke about it. Oh, I was like, what are we? What? I know. He's a good guy. Why is this taking so what it was that blew my mind they're like well i guess he's a hands-on director what what are we doing here the way we're looking at it you know i don't remember how i felt when i watched it back then but i wonder how people felt when they watched it when it was on like is that just like oh yeah director's grabbing her book cool that that happens or was

were people going, were people going ick then? I don't think so. I don't know. Especially because it doesn't take long for you to sort of eventually step up and be a hero about it. I don't, like, we didn't leave that, like, hanging in the air too long before. Oh, good point. Yeah, I see. But that guy, he's just, and again, it's a teenage soap, but he's just like this extreme caricature.

Well, I was just going to say caricature. He's not a real person. He's like a twisty mustached, like villain guy. And it, I thought you, Austin, and Jana were so good in that. Like, you guys grounded this relationship that the characters have built. You know, you tried to give her great advice, let her be strong. You know, you asked him to back off, all these things. But he didn't feel like a real person to me, which feels like a disservice then to the two of you.

Because you're great actors, and you have to essentially act with, like, the cookie monster. Yeah. Yeah. You guys talk about how he's a good director, but it would have been so easy to get, like, it would take 10 seconds to see him actually giving a substantive note. You know what I mean? Because the problem was, it was all it was was just vitriol. It was playing grab ass and being mean.

It's like we didn't see him direct. We didn't see him being in. genius. We just saw this guy where it's like, and when you do that, then it makes everyone else look bad for going, why is no one saying anything? Whereas like, if he had had a good note or something, then you're like, I see the predicament. He's good for this, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And Julian still could have come in to save the day when he said something disgusting. But yeah, like the things that Taylor has to say feel so extreme, the way that this director talks felt so extreme, like, that a man would look at you and be like, well, she's gone down more times than the

sun. What? That is so gross. Like, what? And it, I don't know. It just felt, it's like in these moments where I catch myself saying, like, our boss's name to myself while I watch the episodes as like a swear word, you know? I'm like, fucking Voldemort. Like, it's just, like, that guy, you just had to get it in there. And I don't get it. I hate doing this because it's in the can. It's years, it's years ago. I know, I know. No, no, no. But like, I was thinking of a way that might be more interesting and like it's pointless. But if we could have had a moment where the director

and Alex thought they were alone and he did something more subtle, like just touched her shoulder or said like, hey, or Julian overheard, do you want to get a drink tonight? You know, when he thought they were alone. And then. then what that does to Julian in the audience, immediately was like, oh, is this going to, is this guy going to cross the line? Like, that was a really interesting way to explore something that, by the way, still happens. Yeah. All the time.

Yeah. Something like that. Instead of just this very out in the open, I don't know, it could have been, yeah. That would have actually been so much more threatening as well, you know, as opposed to this guy is doing it in the wide open. Exactly. Especially because you guys are in Lucas and Pays. Peyton's old house.

Like, if you had, you know, been doing something in Lucas's old bedroom and then turned to go into the hallway, but heard them in the hallway and, like, leaned in. And we see you on the other side of the doorframe, you know, especially because you and I are in that scene in there. And I'm like, well, they're painting my high school, a fuggly shade of brown. Like, it could have gone from funny to not funny really quickly in a way that would have made us uncomfortable. We would have understood that this man knows Alex is supposed to.

to be sober and is suggesting they go to a bar. Like, all of this is bad for her. Yeah. And it could have been more interesting. Absolutely. Absolutely. One of the things I loved about this episode was all of our storyline. I thought it was so good.

I thought it was so fucking sweet. I love that Victoria, for whatever reason, is suddenly obsessed with the movie 7 and can't stop talking about severed heads. Yeah. Yeah. And when she sees. how sad I am about your stuff. The fact that the mom sort of acts like a child

and gets the other boy to drop off the box to prove a point was so cute to me. And what it allowed for us, like, you came in so hot yelling. And I was like, wait, what? And the fact that by the end of the episode, I was so surprised by it. I didn't remember it, but I loved it. And by the end of the episode,

when we get to the beat where I'm like, fishing and I'm like so I'm really the I'm the best person for this job and you're like yeah and we're doing the little dance around the clothing racks it was so precious to me it made my day I got to say the the clothing rack dance what a was that Paul's idea I don't remember I just remember I just watched it this morning I was like this could have been a B plus scene and took it to an A yeah just that that kind of coy playing with each other, just a little movement, you're obstructed, I'm instructed,

then you see us, then you don't. It's just, it was really well-staged. Yeah, it gave it this really fun, playful energy. And I felt like it built really well off of this scene when you came back to close over, bros, calmer. And you said, look, you're the only one I trust. You don't even have to look at me if you don't want to.

In the back of the store. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, boy, this is going to be hard. And then we get to the thing. And it's this little dance. And it was such a great device. And I just loved it. I was like, oh, we're cute.

And then also, after the episode was over, I went back and watched the opening again because I wanted to see all the names and who wrote and directed and everything. And I saw the scenes from the previous one again and realized we just broke up the night before. Yes. It's so intense. Okay, so the next day we're already starting to put it back together. That's hilarious. But can I tell you, as a Brulian fan, I was very grateful for that.

Like, I've watched you guys fight and be on different pages for a few episodes. So I, this was a welcome reprieve to get to see you guys beginning this dance of finding each other again. And it was just, it was cute as heck. You know, like you said, the chemistry is great. and it worked very well. Nice. Speaking of Alexander Coyne, first of all, hilarious that he can't just say, hi, I'm Alexander. He has to, and it's just funny because Coin is such a funny last name, you know?

Yes. But the shirt he is wearing when he comes to drop off Julian stuff. I mean, that is a baby gap extra small. I laughed so, because that has been one of my biggest CW experiences. is like what shirt does Rob wear a large put him in a small like I I spent so many years in shirts that were way too small for me so when I saw him carrying that box in in just the shirt begging please get get off me I laughed so hard at that poor guy like we get it he's handsome he's fit get him a bigger shirt yeah it's really funny it's cutting off his circulation

you know he's such a good sport and something I will say I really appreciate, obviously at the time when we were shooting, it was supposed to be this rivalry between you two. And watching it back, I realize how, like, he plays a lot of it so subtly. And it's, I don't know, I really appreciate it. Mitch did, he did such a good job of showing up and just being a good guy where you, you come. kind of don't know as an audience member, like, does he like Brooke? Or is he just really a good friend to her? Is he a good new addition to her work life? Does he feel chemistry? I don't see it as being as overt as it felt then because, you know, my job as an actor then was to be in

between these two and to be like, no, I don't have feelings for this person, Julian, I have feelings for you. But I think maybe because it was supposed to feel dramatic, it felt more heightened then and I'm watching it and I'm like good on you Mitch like he does a really great job of not really revealing like does he or doesn't he

like this girl and I really like the way he plays these scenes yeah I think there is a there's a trap in this writing that a lesser actor would have fallen into which is if you don't layer it with sincerity it just it's overtly

like it's so clear he's into you and he's hitting on you. And then that does Brooke a disservice because if you even start entertaining that, it's like, what? All this dude is doing is just coming in hot all the time. But because he does this thing where he is just seeming to be wanting to be a good friend to you, it makes him more appealing. It makes the, it kind of muddies the water so we don't really know what's going on. But he did a great job with it. Yeah. Can I tell a quick story about Mitch. Please.

Yeah. So I don't know if you remember this, Sophia, but we had a late call one morning, and there was, I don't mean, I always make everything about surfing. I knew it. I could feel this was going to be a surfing story. I love it. It was a hurricane brewing in the Atlantic. We had a late call, and Mitch really wanted to go surfing.

And I was like, hey, man, tomorrow morning is going to be like the best day of the year. Like, it was going to be that good. He goes, yeah, he was so, so down. He was such a nice, positive guy. He was like, yeah, let's go. He was so excited. And we got there. And I'm not even kidding.

It was the best I'd ever seen, Wrightsville Beach. And he paddles out, and it's big and hollow and powerful and dangerous. And he's just getting destroyed so much so that there was a, there was points where I was like, Mitch, are you? And like, are you okay? He'd paddle back out. I'd be like, yeah, man, that was awesome. And his sort of smile and his attitude, just after getting destroyed.

was always a smile and happy and like he had the best attitude and I think he you know that's what he brought to the set every day because it's not easy to come into as as we all know it's not easy coming to a show that's up and running and you're playing like the guy that's in between a couple like it's not and you know he he he was so positive and he just brought the right energy I hadn't thought about this until you just said that do you think that that helped you guys bond as friends? Because that's what you did in season six. Like Julian comes in and the whole audience is going ballistic because they think he's going to screw up Lucas and Peyton. Right. And then Julian and Brooke end up together. And then Alexander comes in to screw up Julian

and Brooke. Like it's kind of an interesting domino effect, right? Yeah, I might have had a little tender spot for him, you know. Yeah. Yet here I came in brand new season seven and I didn't get asked to go surfing once. And I didn't know how, but I would have been, I would have liked to have been invited. I feel like Ms. Lauren, when Skills didn't invite her to Los Angeles, it would have been nice to be invited. That invitation's on its way.

It's going to happen. Okay, guys, next convention, we're going a day early, and Austin's taking all of us surfing. Deal. I will say you are a good teacher. Thank you. Here's a fun, BTS throwback. In, obviously, this world, I did not get in the hurricane.

waters because I'm not on a suicide mission. But Austin did on like baby wave days really take the time to try to teach me to surf. And there was like there was like a solid two weeks rob where I was really feeling it. And by the way, nothing will make a girl feel cooler than walking down Ritesville Beach with a surfboard. Like people were like, whoa. And I was like, this is tight. I've never felt cool at anything. Like I was a theater kid and not even a musical theater. kid just a theater kid and I didn't have that experience at my tiny all-girls school so I was really having the like blue crush fantasy life of my dreams for these couple of weeks and there was a day where I was really feeling confident and the waves were probably like three feet big instead of two

feet big like nothing to write home about and I had a tumble and the board I don't know if you remember this the board came out of the water at me so fast I like Like, tried to get out of the way. Thank God it didn't break my face. Yeah. Because Warner Brothers probably would have sued me. No more one tree hill. It hit me in the leg so hard, like the upper left part of my thigh, that it left a dent.

Yes. And it took five years for that dent to fully go away. Oh, my God. Really? It went away like mostly after two. And then I just had this weird. I can't explain it. It was a dent in my leg.

And for years, I was like, if I ever, if I ever get overly confident that I can do some stupid shit, all I have to do is look at my leg and be like, remember that time? I almost killed myself surfing with Austin. And it wasn't, it wasn't even like a good day. It was, it was child's play. And I was like, not for me. I'm going to go back to the theater and sit in the dark and run the lightboard. That's what I do. It sounds silly, but surfing just offers all kinds of lessons like these.

It's a lot. And then what did I do? I came home and I started a podcast, which is essentially running a lightboard indoors in the dark. Yeah. I was like, I know what I'm good for. Wait, before I forget, I wanted to pop out to kind of a different topic. When I was watching your scene on the deck at your house and it was Topsul, right? Topsel Beach or Clay's House.

His house, right? Top sale, yeah, you're right. Yeah. And you guys are on the balcony, and then behind you in the background are sand dunes and, like, open land. And I just started drooling this morning watching the episode going, oh, my God, I want that house. I want to live in Clay's house. I want to be on that beach. There's like space.

You don't have a house right next to you. I was just drool over and your car, of course, too. But I just was overwhelmed. and because we were just there in Wilmington and just sort of I'm so in love with the beauty of that place and so special at ocean and anyway your house Clay's house just got me all excited again anyway that house was beautiful the only problem with that house was it was 45 minutes away yeah so was mine really the yeah the Brooks Brooks house you know that she originally like buys and her and Peyton live in there were all these scenes in that, I guess it was season five, where Hillary and I would sit up on the deck, which was like three stories up, overlooking the marina. And we did that in Carolina Beach. Oh, yeah, I worked there. I remember that place. And that's why eventually we just stopped going outside at Brooke and Julian's because it took so fucking long to get there. I remember

the very last scene I think we did there was you and me on that bench. On the dock. Yeah. And we're getting the message is like, yeah, we won't be coming back. here anymore it's it's far at one point brook calls haley jaley jaley jaley because haley and that's why she makes the joke like i hate my name because i say to her you've been arrested more than anyone i know jaley and she's like god i hate my name because we got arrested in high school for stealing back all my original closeover bros designs that were taken um by a store with no credit we haley got arrested I don't remember. I think she says in the episode,

it's like it'll be my fourth time going to jail. Fifth, fourth? And it's very, very good. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer

because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving. to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture

into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we ended up going on a vacation together. Like, I love that man. And anyway, I hadn't seen him in a long time. So it was really great to see him on my screen and kind of, I will say, one of the coolest things that happened to me on the show was having them right parents for Julian and having them come through. That was a lot of fun.

And it gives a character so much more dimension. And I, anyway, I was really lucky to have Sharon Lawrence and Gregory Harrison as my TV mom. Sharon was your mom? Yeah. Oh, I love me some Sharon Lawrence. Oh, get ready. She played my mom in a couple movies. She did? Oh, that's so cool.

Yeah. She's the best. She's so great. And Gregory Harrison, I got to work with a different series and we became pals. He's great. Also, he's a surfer. So, of course, you guys get long. But he's a lovely guy.

Didn't you guys go to Catalina or something? No, we went to Indonesia. We went on a surf trip to Indonesia. Oh, the big surf trip you went on. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I remember. there were talks about you guys

like going to do a Catalina trip but maybe that'll maybe that'll come soon. He talked about Catalina a lot he might have had a place there or something but that never happened but I will say this. Greg did a very famous movie called

North Shore that was an 80s surf movie and when we were surfing in Indonesia I shit you not people paddled up to him and went Chandler! No. He gets recognized in the water in Indonesia

Asia. Wow. That's so cool. It was really cool. Some guys, we brought a boat and some guys paddled over with beers to our boat and was like, Chandler, can we have a beer, bro? Oh my gosh. That's awesome. That's incredible. I love that you guys had Gregory and Sharon Lawrence overlap. Hillary and I had Markey Post overlap. What? Yeah, Marky played Hillary's mom and she played my mom on PD. Oh, that's awesome. So it's like, I don't know, we just had these really special years with some of these folks. Really cool. Marky Post is a legend.

Marky was just the most amazing woman. I know you guys all got asked, obviously, I got all the video updates. You got asked about like where things stand with this potential revisit. And, I mean, Rob and I talked about this a few weeks ago, and obviously you know Austin because we talked about it last weekend. but it's like it's a bummer when something leaks and you don't actually have anything to say. But thinking about it and and, you know, having to kind of answer questions without answering them, like, it's so cool to me that we're sort of in the position now where we might get to play the young parents. And I don't know.

I'm like, it's such a crazy thing that part of what excites me the most about if we get to do this is like, what if we get to bring all our parents back too? Like our on-screen parents. Could you imagine like a generational moment? I would sob. I think I would actually cry the whole time. It would be very much like our final episode where I just walked around the stages in tears for two,

three weeks. There's so many people came through. It's a nine-year show. So many actors came through. There's so many characters that are in the sandbox to play with. I can't even imagine like how fun. and difficult that could be. Yeah.

Oh, just so sweet. I don't know. Yeah. And all of the families that have been built out of this, too, like I had one of those moments. Obviously, it's so fun having the David character, as extreme as the storylines are,

because Scott Holroyd is just the nicest person in the world. But having Miss Lauren and David in this episode, I was like, oh, my God. like our friends when they first started working on this show together didn't even have kids yet you know and i think about their family now it's just a trip to me it's so special so cool so two things around well before we get to that miss lauren scene with with mouth is how i loved this scene mouth is now back at their apartment and there's this great exchange when milly's getting ready to leave for work and she says um she asks him like how long are you staying

He says a day or two And she stops and says But you'll be here when I get home And he says, yeah Yeah And she says that helps That helps I started crying

It was so sweet And again, especially after this ridiculous storyline of her after school special Like it was just so nice To be getting our mouth And Millie back In this like sweet scene of connection

But then I will say I had a really funny moment When Miss Lauren shows up And mouth is cleaning up the apartment looks like a Fiona Apple music video. It's an absolute disaster. And she shows up and she's like, well, I'll help. And they start playing this like cute game of like recreating a crime scene. And because I remember much of the show was like, hold on a second. Yeah. Are Mouth and Miss Lorne about to make some bad decisions together? I thought so too.

I had that moment too where I was like, what's happening? What's happening? And then I went, no, no, they're both just adorable. They're just adorable. And they miss their people. But I had a moment of panic because the episode is so extreme and outlandish and has taken like what might be the craziest things that have ever happened to anyone and ratcheted them up from 10 to 100. I was like, no, no, no, oh, I had one of those. It was like a no, no, no, getting closer to the TV and then an oh, oh, oh, oh, resting back into my couch. I find stuff like that's so interesting because then I go, okay, was it in the lines or was it

in the performance? And it's something that happened just because the two. two actors had a cute moment, or was it actually in the writing? That's a good question. Did the writers want that to happen, or did that just happen accidentally? Well, and there's a thing too, right, where, like, everyone has chemistry. Chemistry doesn't have to be sexual. It doesn't have to be romantic.

But when you really get along with someone, when you share a sense of humor, like, you have chemistry with your friends. Like me and Rob. Exactly. You and Rob have, I mean, honestly, sometimes I feel like I should leave the room. It's electric. It's really hot. Sometimes you, I don't know, as a viewer, I was watching them and I was like, their chemistry is so good, but it's so sweet, but it's also chemistry.

What's happening? And that's a fun place to be seven years in to realize you don't know something with characters that at this point almost feel like your family. I really liked that. And tonally, the episode is so unhinged. it is entirely within the realm of possibility that this might be going down. Because by the time we get to this bit, we've already seen some outrageous stuff happen. And it's perfect. It's like you were saying.

So it's in no ways it heavy-handed. It's kind of all circumstantial, right? Yes. The mouth has been through it with Millie. It's been nothing but like pain and heartache and worry. Miss Lauren is heartbroken. And now here they are back in this apartment and they're laughing together and they're connecting so they didn't have to do much to create that question of oh farts yes and this is

going to be like a really extreme thing I'm relating it to but again I think it's why it felt possible you know there's that very common thing that happens you know knock on wood god forbid someone dies young and then like you know the the widowed man the widower and and the wife who's died, her best friend, fall in love. Like, people often bond after loss. And granted, Skills hasn't died, but weirdly, you know, our bosses did that strange thing where, like, they just disappeared a character for a while.

So they were like, Julian got him a job in L.A., but nobody's heard from him. We don't know how often they're talking. You know, Lauren's talking about him, like, he's just evaporated, and they both miss him. And I think that's part of why you're like, wait, are they? friends that are having the same sad experience or are they going to like bond in a way they

shouldn't out of their sadness? Yeah. And it left me questioning, but the questioning was kind of cool because it reminds you, I guess, that you never really know. And it was an interesting thing to have mouth trying to process with Millie and deciding to stay and show up. And then on the other end, you know, since we've been the best of friends on the show for so long. You have Brooke who's like pushing away her feelings about Millie and who just doesn't want

to deal and like can't have another person hurt her. And then you've got Victoria being like, she believed in you when I didn't. I loved that they gave that to Daphne to be this sort of rational person who really stood up for Millie and and who at the same time is so Victoria because she's like, I don't necessarily like her or whatever she says, but she was a very good friend to you, it was so snarky and yet so sweet at the same time. And I just thought the whole world they built around Millicent felt worthy of her. Like, we've missed her so much, to your point, Rob, that it's nice to see everybody trying to figure it out. And speaking of Victoria, Daphne makes this incredible choice at the top of one of these scenes where I think it's in

clothes over bros and maybe brook is showing up either brook or milly where there's no dialogue but she's making the choice to be looking at her reflection and she's pulling back her skin as if to see what a facelift would look like on her yeah and that killed me because you know that's not in the script that's just an actor who's good knowing like okay here's how i can fill up some time this is what this character would be doing but it it got such a for me it got such a good laugh that i don't think was on the page you know yeah it was great And also, she has that a little vulnerability and really great. Which tracks with what we're seeing her do lately, you know.

And one of the things I loved about it, too, is Daphne is so, she's so in her body. She's a meditator. She's like a brilliant mind. She's, you know, incredibly healthy. Like, she takes beautiful care of herself and also has never been a woman who messes with her face. and that she was so willing to be like, well, since my face actually moves, I can pull it around and do something with it. Like, absolute freedom in herself. And you don't see that a lot.

And I remember at the time, her being like, oh, come on, it's hilarious. And now it's like even cooler to me than it was then. Yeah, for sure. Can I say something about before we move on from that, though? Like the Millie Brook and Victoria dynamic, I really love, and I just caught a note. And I get why I didn't, because it has to be a little hard one. But Victoria's really encouraging Brooke to stand up for Millicent and to be her friend and to show up for her. And the only way Brooke really knows how, in her own sadness, when she sees that Millie's also so sad, is to say, hey, well, you help me with this.

And they start working on that jacket together. You know, they're each taking a lapel and doing the work. And they have this nice moment of like, okay, this is a first step. but sweet Lisa is so I mean she's just so vulnerable and obviously crushed and it kills me that when she's like through her tears says thanks as she's pinning I don't just hug her and I wrote it down I was like I wish I had hugged her I know it required baby steps but for me it like it hurts me that I didn't get to hug her in that moment and I'm sure it was Paul being a smart director and saying no no it's too much too soon But, oh, she's just so vulnerable in it. I always find that so interesting, the sort of intersection or the push and pull of the actor's instinct and then also not being right for a story. Yes. Because that happens to me all the time where I have an instinct and it's not right for the movie or the show.

It's like, no, no, no, that's going to be later. Yes. Like you got to wait and you're like, no, my heart, it hurts. It's like the camping trip when Nathan is just an absolute tool to Julian the entire time. It's that kind of thing where I think the rational James would probably say like, hey, I feel like I'm coming off a little bit dickish. Yeah, and they're like, that's the point. But it's exactly, it's like, yeah, but we got to get to the end where there's this nice turn, you know?

Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. So what did you think of the whole Kylie swimming in Clay's pool? What? Did that ever happen before? Or was that the only time that happened? It's happened before, but not since Quinn.

Right. And so the fact that Kylie just comes back out of nowhere, it didn't feel super motivated. And also we were out of the scene before Clay could say anything or do anything. it was just seen over and it's like what happened what was the conversation after this happened exactly well the whole thing is like she's the booty call we've established that you know that like it's just it was just the fling when clay was still trying to numb out you know and so to me though to have her just show up for a swim and be leaving to me it's like she's not even there to hook up she just needed a pool to swim in like it's so it's so strange it's

very strange. And again, it feels like they had an idea that they didn't take across the finish line. Because the whole reason it happens is so that by the time you guys get home from this show of a dinner, Clay can say, I change the locks for you. And now you're the only woman with a key to my house. And then my reaction wasn't, oh, how sweet. I was like, Kylie had keys. Yeah. What? What? I was like, wait, Clay's just been giving keys to random chicks. Like, Oh my God. What? It feels like they had the. kernel of an idea, and then they sent the script out and forgot to finish those scenes. Oh, my God.

Yeah. And then, you know, and we'll see in the next episode, there's poor Sasha. She was a good sport, you know, but her unofficial uniform in this show was just a bikini. But yeah, I just thought it was so odd that it's like she wasn't even like swimming sexy or like took her top off to get Clay's attention. She just didn't even knock. She was like, I'm just going to show up and swim in his poor. Cool. Yeah, she was like doing laps to get her cardio in. Exactly. What? Go to the Y. What are you doing? It's so weird.

Yeah. Okay. I think I think this episode is like an extreme seesaw. It's very up and down, but all around pretty fun. Oh yeah. What do you guys think? What are your honorable mentions for this? I will say there was there was a line from this episode that I remembered to this day, which is when Nase, Ethan is shooting his mocap for the video game. Oh, yeah. And he walks over and I say, you look good covered in balls. That was uncomfortable. And then he says, now I know how Taylor feels.

Oh. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The mine's kind of weird. The X, X, X, X song. Yes. That song is so good and so sexy. And I was like, oh, my God, that must have been a fortune. Because that's what I'm dealing with.

And I just thought it was so cool that we had to. that song in the episode. I was stoked. It's so good. I wrote that down too. I was like that we had two songs from the XX and we had Tegan and Sarah. I was like, God, we were in such good flow. I actually, I want to give an honorable mention because it was the perfect button on the whole episode, the scene where Nathan and Haley are getting in bed and he just starts to laugh and she goes, what? And through laughter, he goes, your family's crazy. It was just a perfect little button on the episode

because in a way Nathan got to be the audience being like, what the fuck was that? And I thought it was a very, very great little device of comedy. So hats off to Mike and David for that. A little wink like, hey, we know this episode was a bit unhinged. Exactly. They were like, it was unhinged. We know.

We're in on the joke. Real quick, two last things. One, did you notice that their bed is smack in the middle of their room? I was just going to say this. Yeah, the floating bed in a house that has. as no other modern touches is very odd. It stood out to me as well. Part of me loves it and part of me hates it.

I was wondering why they did that. And then I started thinking like a DP and going, oh, well, there's more depth and you don't have to be facing a wall, shooting at a wall all the time. Yeah. Maybe it looks good on camera. But you know what it made me think of Austin? Like those visits to see all of Donald Judd's spaces that we've, that we've done. Yeah.

And like, I was like, it's a really weird choice. in this very kind of like Mediterranean villa home to do like the Donald Judd floating bed in the middle of an empty room that isn't empty? I was like, I don't know. But I do agree. I think it was probably a DP thing. And it made me giggle.

I like that we all noticed that. And we're like, wait, what's going on? It's odd, but it's kind of cool. It's so odd. And also there was a scene at the very start of it when Taylor Sontras out of the room. I think it's like that scene where she's wearing the juicy shorts or whatever.

And Haley turns to. Nathan, and goes, are you going to say something? And James takes a beat and just goes, I love you. And the husband and me went accurate. Accurate. Yep. Also, he has such good dad jokes in this episode because when him and David have the talk and they get to the end and he goes, if Haley asks, I yelled at you and you're sorry.

And then he walks away. That was great. Accurate. It's all so good. Mine's a bit of a diss, but it's not, I actually loved it. the the video game animation is pretty bad yeah but i kind of like loved it it was kind of great schedule is so fast you don't have the time and the money but it was kind of well and can you imagine now that thing would have been rendered in five minutes and looked incredible totally and it's just

it's so funny again like logic police but if you are recording mocap for a video game at noon you will not have a prototype of the game available at 4 p.m. Yeah, it's exactly. It's like it'll be available in eight months. It's so crazy. Funny. I didn't even think of that, Rob. That's really funny. The game will be out next year, but here's a DVD of it for you today, kid. So weird. But that scene also lent itself to Nathan being able to tell Chuck to suck it, which was funny.

Yeah. Nothing like a grown man burning an eight-year-old, you know? Yeah, the absolute payoff. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer, because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls, became the... the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, guys, we have a listener question, and this is actually really sweet since we just have had these two conventions back to back.

She wants to know, what is your most memorable fan interaction that you have had at a One Tree Hill convention? Oh, my God. there's so many because as you guys know you know people have had crazy tragedies happen to them and they come to you and they say like this show saved my life you know all kinds of amazing things come from this so it's hard to pinpoint one but there was this girl named matilda who's from um france and i saw her seven years ago when i was did at comic con in paris and you know she's like she's tweeted me and hit me up on Instagram and stuff and she keeps she's send me that photo of us together at the convention and I saw her last weekend in Paris oh and you know it was just

moving and so cool just to see her again and she came at the last thing I was signing something and she comes and she she goes Austin I wanted to say goodbye I don't know if I'll ever see you again and she it was just crumbled and like I crumbled, and I was just like, this is so beautiful and sad. Like, she just has the most kindest, most beautiful soul and love that girl to death. How about you, Sov? Oh, my gosh. It's funny.

It's like there's so many memorable moments, like, running through my brain. The first thing I thought about was a couple years ago at a convention in Wilmington, Hillary and I got to help two gals who love the show get engaged. And like to be part of someone's proposal is so cool and so special. And then to your point, Austin, like sometimes it's the best moment and sometimes it's that you were a part of like real hardship and you find out that this thing that you made helped. This wonderful little girl, Haley, that similarly I feel like I've known her for almost 15 years now because of the show and social and all the things. grew up being super sick.

Her mom used to cut out all of our little characters and glue them onto her IV bags in scenes from the show when she was in the hospital for treatments. I've watched her go through all of these things for years. Cut to, after college she moved to L.A., she wound up working for one of my friends, like applied for a job

because she'd followed a friend's company because I'd talked about it on Instagram and, like, I get a call from my friend Elizabeth who's like, this kid is amazing and said she, like, grew up in the One Tree Hill world. Like, I've watched her get better, and it's so special. And, like, I don't know, all of these, all of these incredible things, you know, you realize that we built a world that ran the gamut of, you know, tragedy to joy. And we've been in people's lives while they've run the real.

life gamut of those things and and we did too behind the scenes you know on our on our set for as many years as we were there and there's just something really special about this particular little world because we all feel like the same place makes us feel at home and I'm I really cherish that that's wild what do you got I would say in fact it was at Paris this last weekend I had several fans come up and and show me a picture of us together from seven years ago. One was 11 years ago. And I was kind of struck by a similar thing to what you were saying, where it was, it just blew my mind that this show has that kind of staying power. And to be able to look at the picture and then look at the person ahead of me and being like, wow,

we've, we've had 10 years of life since then. And yet, like, the thing that hasn't changed is this show, you know, and it's still going on. And it's just such a cool opportunity to get to do. But yeah, the fact that, you know, we've, we've been meeting some of these people for, you know, more than a decade is crazy to me. And it's still going strong. Yeah. There's nothing like it. So cool. Well, buddy, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me, guys. It's so fun to see you and catch up always. What a fun day. And next week, you guys, the next week, the next episode season seven episode 15 is don't you forget about me it's our john hughes week oh i'm so pumped so good fun costumes i'll go ahead while we have you austin and honorable mention your ducky costume

it was really really pro dude it's so good very stoked on that um very because i love 80s everything and john here that was a lot of fun oh it's gonna be a good one you wore it well my friend Thank you, sir. Thanks, friends. See you next week. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens, O-T-Hare.

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