Drama Queens - Kissing is Gross • EP102

Episode Date: July 5, 2021

Hilarie, Sophia and Joy all shed a tear while rewatching Episode 2 (“The Places You Have Come to Fear The Most”) Peyton and Nathan share a romantic kiss in this episode but the behind the scenes were something quite different… SSORG to be exact. Brooke Davis makes her first appearance and Sophia shares why the pom poms were a challenge. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys, we just finished watching episode two. Places we have come to fear the most. I didn't expect to be affected, friends. We all cried at the end. I know. You were saying like during the Zoom, I mean, when we were just watching the episode, Hillary, you were saying that you, you're really realizing what it is that was capturing people's hearts.

Because, you know, at the time when we were on the show, it's harder to, it's harder to see. because it's all mixed in with everything that we're experiencing behind the scenes, too. So to just watch it back kind of pure with fresh eyes is I'm getting it too. I'm starting to really get it. Yeah. And when you see it put together, you know, edited just right and the music is just right. And it ends on that beautiful Gavin deGroa song that's so emotional. And then Lucas turns and looks at Peyton and says your art matters.

I'm believe you. I don't know what's happening again. It's so emotional. Guys, we all three kind of choked up. Who admitted it first? It's what got me here. I did. I'm such a crier.

I'm the last one to admit it. Wow, I feel crazy. I'm crying. But it was such a, you know, that's what was great about this show is that, like we were saying before, where everything now in this genre is really heightened and high stakes and like that Riverdale Vampire Diaries like sort of high. concept stuff, the superheroes and all that, which is so great. I love those shows. Yeah, it's fun. But what we don't have a lot of right now is just teenagers with an attention

span that can sit and watch. I guess maybe that's what it is. I don't know if it's lack of content or if it's just the fact that the world has changed, but it seems harder to sell this kind of a show now than it did then. But back then, like, all you needed was the very genuine real emotion of the human experience and something that's. simple of the struggle of somebody wanting answers and how they built it up the whole episode until the end when it's just one small vulnerable moment. And he just says that one thing to you, your art matters. It's what got me here. He didn't have to say that, but it was vulnerable. And it's exactly what every teenage girl wants a cute boy to turn and say something vulnerable

and meaningful to her. I mean, immediately, I was like 16 again. Like, oh my God, I just want that. well and I think what's really interesting is that in a way that that never goes away right yeah we all we grow up and then we realize inside of us are still scared kids is that why people like this show I think so maybe because one thing I will say is I get what you mean like these high concept shows have really evolved now but people are still watching our show yeah I think it's because at the root of it it gave bunch of people permission to be scared, to be vulnerable, to be complex, to feel feelings. And like, no matter in what ways they might have been succeeding or how good their lives were at home or perhaps how rough their lives were at home, they had a place to come and feel vulnerable and feel like they could take risks. You know, it's a risk to turn around and look at the girl at the basketball game and say that to her when her boyfriend is standing over there. But we took

these risks to be seen on screen. And I think so many people crave that now. It's such a teeny, tiny moment. And I honestly, like, that line is the line that fans say to me more than any other line. Yeah. And it is ingrained in, I have it embroidered from a fan, like hanging up on a wall in my house. And it's to watch it back, because I haven't seen it since it aired, is so weird because it's such a small moment and it made such a big

impact. And like, I'm coming off of a weird weekend. I literally just drove through my hometown and hung out with some friends from high school. Wow. And shared all these like vulnerable things with them that I didn't have the moxy or

confidence to tell them when we were 17 in real life. So to watch these 17 year olds on TV, I mean, it could be us playing these people or like total strangers, but just to watch these 17 year olds on TV, like say things that are earnest. It's everything you want to have the guts to say when you're that age, but it's just so hard. It's shocking to watch. Yeah. The fear of rejection. Yeah. But in that moment on the court, did it feel like a big, did you feel it in that moment? In that moment? how powerful that was, or only within the storytelling that we're watching back?

I think I was so scared of the process of filmmaking while we were doing it, that everything to me was like, how do I hit my mark? How do I find lens? How do I, like, do all these things? And I joke all the time about how, at the time, like, Chad, I was so mean to Chad when we first started shooting the show. I was just like, don't even look at me. You're just a dumb boy, whatever.

Because I was such a snarky little brat. And so watching it, I have this joke where I'm like, I believe in the power of the edit, right, where you can like do a totally dorky scene, but when they lay some good music on it, I mean, you know what I mean. When they piece it together, the end of that episode, I believe in the power of that edit. They did a really solid job, making that feel like a punch in the gut. Yeah. And when you watch it, you get the narrative of that. You get the melody of the episode. And when we're doing it, you know, we're in the gym for 18 hours that day. You're not, you're not conscious of it. And it's funny, you know, Joy, you were saying something earlier when we were watching about how it's a blur for us because we did it for so long and it was so many years. And I did something. And I don't know if I told you guys. this, and this was just an averaging, but I went through and looked at, you know, some timesheets and was like, okay, so if I wanted to make an average of how many hours we shot every episode, and then what that means over 187 episodes, it means that from you guys starting the pilot

to us finishing episode 187, we filmed this show. The conservative estimate is 35,000 hours of our lives. What? So that's why we don't remember anything, you guys. Yeah. So the cool thing is... She's good at math. She's really good at math. I really like math.

You just sat down and did that. I got the graph paper out. No, like, this is the way in which I'm like, this is why when people ask me if Brooke Davis and I are similar. I'm like, in some ways we became similar and in many ways not at all. I love math. And I needed like a data point to understand why I couldn't always remember things that fans were asking.

And I'm actually so excited to be here, A, because we get to do this every week and I get to be with two of my favorite women, and B, because now we're going to get to experience what they did because at the time we never did. Even if we saw an episode, even if there was like a big something, we had a watch party,

we were still filming thousands of hours a year. Yeah. And so now we're just going to like watch the show and just see the edits. Did we ever have a watch party? The only watch party I remember is Honeygrove, Texas, where we sat down with some fans and watched the show. But did we ever...

I remember one in somewhere in Landfall Center. I think there was some bar maybe that people met up and to watch a finale. Yeah, a finale or something. Yeah, I think it was near the movie theater. I can't remember, but... Yeah, one of those sports bars. What was that?

I don't know. See this? remember but rarely we did that but wait let's talk about something that we have to address which is the introduction of brook davis oh hi she came in cute with that little flippy hair down oh my god it was like the grown-out rachel oh that hair so i look back at it and i'm just like wow i didn't i just didn't really know the hair was so it was i actually sort of find it charming because it is very innocent and sweet. Yeah.

And, and, but then the thing that is so traumatic for me is that I'd plucked out half of my eyebrows. Like, so you talk about this.

I love it. I love the skinny 90s brows. I think that there's, girl, I'm telling you. I think it's very flattering, but also like, I'm Italian.

I can't, I can't get rid of these. By the way, I'm so lucky because they grew back when I stopped plucking them out. And I'm very thankful to my mother and her mother

for that. Your eyebrows are great. So I remember when you showed up, I thought you looked like Janine Turner. Is that who I'm thinking of? Wait, from Lerbid exposure? Yes, yes, because she had that cute mole and you have a cute mole. And I was like, and also just that kind of like sultry, like raise one eyebrow, give you that like side eye look. And I was like, oh, she's got that thing. that they, and Cheryl and Fen has it too.

Yes. Wow. Like you embodied those women who just kind of had like a little bit of mystery to them. And it was such a good introduction to Brooke Davis because she does. She gives like such good cheerleading side eye. Oh, man. You were also exactly what the energy that the show needed. I mean, they introduced Jake with the boys and you with the girls on the girls team.

And it was like every everybody got a little. We'll talk more about Jake in a minute, but I loved what you, the energy that you brought, it was like just bubbly and fun. But there was a depth there which we saw when you were talking about your future and, you know, your fear. And we were saying in, when we were watching it, we were talking with each other and saying that, that line about, you know, I'll, here's what's going to happen unless I get fat. And it's like I can see how so many girls who went into audition would have read that as like a funny line. But you know family, like talk about why you knew how to nail that line. Yeah, gosh, I think because, and we talked about this a little bit when we first got together to talk about this. There was so much about Brooke I didn't understand and that I couldn't relate to. And I was so scared to admit I didn't know. so I, like, was desperately trying to figure it out.

And so the sultry cheerleader, I was like, they, they, yeah, side eye. I was like, that's what they do. Like, I'd never held a pair of pom-poms, you know? And, and the interesting thing for me was those were the things I had to find in her. And, like, her boldness and her very overt sort of sexiness and stuff made me scared. But the, the fear I could understand. understand because I was afraid. And then that fear in particular, I really understood because I'd seen girls who were in families like that, families that said, you've got to do this job

or you've got to be in this pageant or you need to do this. And don't you ever gain an ounce because then you'll never get a man. And I watched girls wither under that. I had a friend in high school who had to go to rehab for an eating disorder because she grew up in a family like that. And it was heartbreaking and scary as a teenager to see a friend go to the hospital, you know? And so for me, that line, to not play it as a joke, to play it as a deep-seated fear, felt really honest for things I'd seen before. That made all the difference with your character. Well, did they ever talk to you about the trajectory of Brooke? Like, did you know that down the road, Brooke Davis would become, like, the voice of reason, you know?

No. I mean, my God, I thought in the beginning, and, you know, we'll get to it in the next episodes, but if our, if our OG fans are here, they've seen them before. Like, you know, I thought that the stunt in the backseat of the car, which I think might be in the episode after this, was like a one-time thing was a stunt. I didn't know that, you know, they were really going to try to push me to behave that way to be this, like, outlandish girl. And now it's funny because at the time I was like, this is ridiculous. And high school girls aren't promiscuous like this. And now I'm like, who am I to call any woman promiscuous rude? But, you know, at the time, I just was like, I don't know.

And, you know, years into the show, I think they were just like, we're so sick of fighting with you that we're just going to start to make her more. like you. Yeah. Which was fun. I won. And then there were like ways I got to be so bold, like later down the line, you know, when I trashed that cafe across from Cairns.

Like, I would never do that. But God, don't you just fantasize about like walking in a room and just shoving everything off a table? Like she felt so free to me in ways that I never did. But, but yeah, I had no idea what she was going to be. All they said to me was. You know, we've got this show and it's so good and everyone, everyone's dealing with sadness and we need somebody who's really happy and likes to mix it up.

And I thought when I read that line about I'll be, you know, successful and get everything I ever want unless I get fat. I thought, oh, that's the hint. That's a hint for who she really is. Yeah. Didn't you guys grow up hearing like, I'm going to go to college and get my MRS? I knew I knew girls who grew up in the South who said that. I don't know what an MRS is.

I'm sorry. Your missus. That's your degree. You're going to go to college to find a husband. You just marry whoever you're dating your senior year in college. Oh, that's such a southern thing to say. Yeah. I mean, where I grew up, it was like, oh, yeah, I'm going here to get my MRS.

You know, all the engineers go to this school. All the architects go to this school. All the lawyers go to this school. Yeah, that's a very southern. And I guess like upper upper echelon. on the East Coast, too, but I don't know that they'd say it that way. I mean, the redneck still say it, Joy. Yeah, I know.

I mean, yeah. I was lived in Dallas until I was 12, I should know. That's how you get out of that lower, that lower system. You're like, I'm going to go get my MRS. She got into the state school. She's going to do well, you know? It's funny. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia. and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis,

who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other. native stories such as the creation of the first native comic-con or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sageburn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts think about the trajectory that Brooke took, though, that's so interesting that you would start in that place of genuinely

just being like all those other, you know, the example of all those other type of girls that you are just talking about, which I hate saying anyway type of anything like just the generalization. Everyone's obviously got all their own individual struggles, but there is some sort of collective community similarity in that way that she would have come from and to see her go from that to the incredibly empowered woman that she became. I mean, that's such an interesting and heroic journey. I loved that. I did too. And I loved that she made it feel possible for so many people. And I loved that she always found it with women. So many girls are raised to seek validation from men, you know, and I even think back to all of us being kids and, you know,

trying to figure it out and be in relationships while we were there. And that's how you think you're a grown-up. But really, you grow up, really you find your people in the women in your lives, first and foremost. And, you know, we've all been together for a hell of a lot longer than most of us have been with anybody else. You know what I mean? It's true. We've been in a longer than I've been in my marriage. Exactly. And so then I was like, wait, how long are you 12? I was like trying to do the math real quick in my head. I need to write it down

when I do it. But I thought that that was so special. Like, even you talking about her trajectory, you know, Brooke launched her business living with Haley. Brooke made decisions about her future with Peyton. Like,

I loved being able to despite so many ways in which like a group of old men writing for us made us say that teenage girls would never say your porn name. Come on. We would never. Yeah, the porn name. Which, okay, as long as we're addressing it,

what are our porn names? Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait. It's your first pet and your mother's maiden name? My first pet was Shepard and my mom's maiden name is, well, I can't tell people my mother's maiden name. That's like questions at the Social Security office

calls and asks you. Wait, then what are our characters' mothers made names. Do we know that? Well, then we, I just said mine. So you guys go. Oh, yeah. Mine's bunny Bregard. Well, do you know Ellie's maiden name? I don't know Victoria. Ellie Harp. It was harp. Oh. I don't think Peyton had a pet. I had a dog named Misty. I feel like she would have a lizard. Misty harp. Misty harp definitely got her MRS. Yes, she got her. Misty Harps out there. I'm so sorry. I just want to fully disclose that that was just a jerk. Gosh, I don't know. that Victoria had a maiden name that I was aware of.

But my, our first dog's name was bouncer, because my mom was his bodyguard. So Bouncer Davis is kind of hideous when you think about it in terms of porn. It's a visual. I just see boobs everywhere. But totally not something that a teenage girl would talk about. Never. Joy, you handled the naughty.

talk, baby. You handled it. Here's why I had to. Oh my gosh. Wait. Guys, we have a producer. It's Victoria Montgomery. See, this is why we have people helping us make this show because they know the things we don't. So Bouncer Montgomery is even worse. Bounser Montgomery. It sounds like an old like Southern Gothic. Oh my God. William Faulkner character. But go back. Go back. Because you're right. You nailed it. The reason why I had to, was, I mean, it's definitely something that I would have said something about. Like, I don't want to, you know, why are we talking about this? It's not something teenage girls who would talk about.

And I was also really conservative and at the time and just very, you know, I was kind of uncomfortable. At the time. I'll talk about more later. Disclaimer. We'll talk more about where you are now after the show. But look, I mean, when I joined the show, I was told in no uncertain terms, This show is about fucking and sucking. Oh my God.

I can't believe they said that to you. That's what I just almost spit LaCoy out of my nose. What? Who said that to you? If she's going to be prude, she can't be on this show. And it was just so outrageous. So anyway, so I knew that, you know, like I was going to have to like, you know, I knew my character, so I wasn't concerned that my character was like,

going to go in a direction that I would have felt compromised in or whatever. So I was like, okay, whatever. You didn't think you were going to wind up naked in a backseat? I didn't. Like, if it was on Tibet, that's right. I'm going to sing you a song. Yeah, so when that line showed up in the script, I was like, okay, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, pardon the fun, I'm going to suck it up.

And, uh, oh, my God. It writes itself. Oh, my God. Yeah. So that's where that came from. Anyway. But by the way, two episodes in a row now, Haley's making comparisons to Dawson and Joey. Yeah. Because you say it's Dawson's freak. Like, did you think that Haley and Lucas were hooking up in the show? I did. I thought for sure. Oh, same. Yeah. I think that's what they were originally going for. But Chad and I had no chemistry. So it just didn't work.

yeah i mean i kind of felt that way with james because when i met james on the pilot like we went out with our parents you know and like we were buddies and i i also was like such a prude that i hadn't like really kissed that many people in real life so you know kiss it kiss and james on the show was like weird and that was hot and heavy in the back seat too yeah you guys go at it in that car They shot that scene multiple times because they realized that, like, neither one of us had ever kissed on television before, right? So, which means, like, neither one of us had been...

Being directed, the very first scene that you ever have to, like, hook up is the weirdest thing ever. Because it's not real. So you're like, oh, no, tongue, no tongue. Is this a conversation we need to have? Hands, where do those go? And you're a teenager.

You're so awkward talking about your body you're kissing anybody in the first place. And I was 21 and James was 17 and there was a legality thing in the back of my mind where I'm like, Oh, God. Am I going to prison? Like, what's happening? So there was just so much going on and there's 40 people staying around and you're shooting it at 4 o'clock in the morning and everybody just wants to go home and you're like,

God damn it, just kiss me the way we're supposed to kiss and like, I don't know what to do and you're supposed to know what to do. Yeah, they're like, run your hand up her leg and he's probably like, is this okay? Can I do? Joy, they did a whole series of inserts of just his hands on different body parts of mine. And I'm just thinking, like, did I put lotion on? Did I shave? Like, are we supposed to shave from the knee up now? Because I've been one of those girls who, like, you were a slut if you shaved from the knee up, you know? And I don't think it was until I joined the show that I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I should do that.

When they start doing insert work on your thigh. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was just that was so. traumatic and oh my god i never i didn't think about this till just now what you know what made me realize that james was like a child is that we did this like a whole take of kissing and it went on and on and on and on and i'm like somebody yell cut somebody yelled cut this is so uncomfortable and finally they yell cut and james goes sorg and i was like what is that i said sorg i remember What is sorg? And he goes, it's gross backwards.

And I, you made t-shirts, Hillary. I did. You made sorg shirts. I'm talking to a teenager. He's a literal teenager. Sorg. Sorg.

Kissing you is sorg. Kissing you so sorg right now. Oh my God. It was gross, guys. Sorry. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Oh, my God.

I was jealous because I was like, all the joy's kisses with James seem really like passionate and really like gentle and loving and James and I like we were like two um cobras just biting each other it was they really captured the teenage hormones like attacking each other is this how we do it just smash your face against mine come on yeah let's head butt each other chip our teeth yeah but interestingly it feels so authentic Oh, for sure. Like, so much of what was so special about the show is how authentic things felt and how honest they were and like unpolished. Who was your first kiss in real life?

Sophia go. No, you go. Oh, my God, I'm red. I mean, I had like a, there was like a summer camp kiss with this really tall, green-eyed Spanish boy. Wow. He was very tall and like, and like, chubby and just super like a big like a linebacker and he kissed me out on the ropes course at summer camp but there was no tongue there was no tongue it was just lips and i rose out in my diary

it was a smooch but it was like slow and sweet but then my french kiss my first french kiss was this boy and we were in his basement and he kissed me but he licked all the outside of my mouth all up there like i don't i guess neither of us knew what we were during better. I definitely know. I was like, I feel like this is not the way it's supposed to be done. No. No. Isn't it a night that there's not video evidence of that? Thank you, Lord. Oh, man. Oh, no. I will say, and I will never tell you who, but I had one of the most aggressive and inappropriate kisses I've ever had on camera, on our show. What? Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. You know what it is. Yep. I feel like Joy, I've told you this, but I will never

to the audience, but I was bitten by someone on our show. And when I said, what? They're going to watch for it the whole time now. I don't think that take made it because I hit him. I mean, I didn't like hit him in the face. I just like shoved him back because it really hurt. And I said, what are you doing? And he goes, I'm being sexy. And I was like, it's not sexy. You're like, I'm bleeding. There has to, like, somewhere there's probably that in an outtake. And for his sake, I hope it's. doesn't come out because, like, I don't want to ruin his future prospects. But, oh, man, I was like, you need to talk to someone about this and don't bite my face again, sir.

Sexual activity is such a luck of the draw thing as you grow up in life, like who you end up being able to kiss or learn from. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it makes a big difference. Hillary, who did you kiss for the first time? Well, my first, like, prude kiss, no tongue kiss. That's the differentiation. tongue no tongue yeah exactly tongue no tongue kiss i'm doing the music man in fifth grade and there's a

sixth grade boy who has really good hair and is a very good dresser and in the play with you totally in the play with me okay and is such a babe and we get along and we like all the same things and so i google him as an adult and he is a hairdresser and a flight attendant now and he definitely um is gay and i feel so like flattered that he thought i was worth kissing in my super awkward years like it was one of those things i was like oh my god of course like yes um our energies were very but also that's been a common theme in my life ever since you know um and then tongue kiss was i had started dating a really bad boy in high school like a bad And I was not a bad girl. And he, I guess, like the chicky dated before me, like had a kid

and stuff. Like, he was definitely, he's actually active. And I wouldn't kiss him for like eight months. Like I was like, eight months. No, I'd like peck him. But I was like, if you put your tongue in my mouth, I'm a whore. Like, that's it. It's over. And so finally, homecoming night, we went to homecoming we come home he's dropping me off i finally like lean over and he puts his tongue in my mouth and it's like he's a very he's very experienced and he's a very good kisser and all of a sudden the brights of my dad's truck flip on behind us and i'm just like of course of course um yeah it was you know it's like sitcom i'm just like thanks to you ruined my moment you ruined my tongue kiss dad sophia who are you second face with oh man it's so sweet

my my first no tongue kiss and my first french kiss were with the same person no are you serious yeah yeah my high school sweetheart until the end of my junior year in high school was my best friend from summer camp since i was nine oh my god like the sweetest little bunny just the best person the best person And I feel so, I feel like on the one hand, so lucky. And on the other hand, I'm like, you were so nice that you made me so naive in the world. God damn it. I just had no idea. But yeah, I don't know.

It was just like so lovely. It was a sweet way to kind of grow up and like fall in love and have it last for so long. And I remember when we were just like, we'd been together for so long and we'd never experienced anything else. And I mean, the poor guy. Did you think you were going to get married in high school? Oh, for sure. I was like, I was the Haley James. I was like, this is it. And I also think back and I'm like, that sweet teenage boy who never pressured me into having sex with him who just was like, it's okay that you're not ready. Like literally for years for almost a decade. My God, when you consider the fact that we like fell in love and held a hands at summer camp at nine, you know, we broke up when we were six. 16. And I remember just being devastated. I remember laying on the floor, like the cold tile floor of the bathroom just sobbing because I was like, I don't know how this has happened. And I know it's right, but what's going on? And I went to school. And I had told my best friend. And when I like walked

into school, she came to meet me. And we walked in and everyone was like, oh my God, what happened? because I think I looked really sad. And she said, she looked at two of the girls we were friends with and she goes, the couple of the century just broke up. And we heard about Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston. And they were like, no, you ding-dongs. Or it was Brad and Gwyneth back then, actually. What am I saying?

Oh, it was. Right, right, right. And we were all so sad because they were like so emo and hot and they had the same haircut. The same haircut. Yeah. And she was like, no. Sof. And everyone was like, no. We were like, the teenage love story.

It was so sweet. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of sweetness, let's talk about Brian Greene. Oh, man. The sweetest. He was such a good energy, too. The best. We got robbed when he went and did his other show.

Oh, an HBO show. We were like, fine. I feel like we'd all have had a much... I just feel like things would have been better if he'd stayed. I might be giving my cards away here. All of our cards, really. Listen, Sophia and I... We were all so in love with him.

We really were. Joy, you were hanging out with chef. You were like on the chef train. And Sophia and I over at the Riverview Suites, I remember riding down in the elevator of the Riverview Suites with you. And I was in a relationship. So I could not say, I think Greenberg is cute.

But I was like, he's so, he's so fun. And he's just, he's like, he's really cool, you know? And you were like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, you and I were like little girls just being like, oh, my God, he's so cute. Oh, my God. Like when you're so young that you get excited that someone else thinks the person you think is cute is cute, because it's just so exciting to share a secret.

Yeah. And he had that damn guitar everywhere. Oh, my gosh. That's right. Yeah, he was a babe And by the way, like stayed a babe Like he's still the nicest dude on the planet I love how much he loves his wife

Like he is the guy that he was then Like there was nothing false about him That's what I loved about him as an actor too When you watch him on screen There's nothing fake He can't be Anything other than just real in that way You know?

He's so genuine Yeah When he takes that bag Oh, he takes Nathan's back. In just my heart. Because it's such a shitty thing Dan does to Lucas going, hey, son. And then it's, you know, his son. Again, another double entendre.

But, and you see the heartbreak on Chad's face playing Lucas in that scene. And you're just like, it knocks the wind out of you. And then Brian comes in. Don't let him take it and just takes the bag and puts it. over his shoulder. Hold on though. I love how we refer to most of the actors by their character's name, but with Greenberg we're like, but Brian, like he did it for real.

Like, it was really his choice. Brian's a hero. Brian did it. I was told you know, in like season two, the Peyton and Jake were end game. And I was like, oh, really? And I think they just said that to throw me off the

trail. Do you know what I mean? This is a good place for us to talk about this because we all got told lots of things that weren't the same. And I was told, by the way, from day one that Peyton and Lucas were endgame. Like I signed up for a pilot in which Peyton was not willing to admit that she, like, loved the, you know, the emo boy. Yeah. And so you got told Peyton and Jake were endgame. But I think they did that because they wanted me to not lean into the chat of it. Do you know what I mean?

Like it was a mind game. Oh, heaven forbid they just tell us what our jobs are as actors because we're professionals. It's like, why did they want us to like be weirdly invested in things behind the scenes? Joy, did you always know it was going to be Haley and Nathan or did you think it was going to be something or someone else? No, I was surprised. I thought it was going to be Haley and Lucas for a little bit. But then our energy was so siblingness that there was just no. yeah, it just didn't

That didn't happen So I don't know I'm trying to remember I think it was yeah once I'll be interested to see when this happens because I think it's later on in season one when Haley starts tutoring Nathan And I think that was originally

just supposed to be an extra conflict of interest with Lucas Like Lucas's best friend is now has to work with Nathan, but James and I, you know, who knew, we had chemistry and on screen. And as soon as we started, you know, getting on together, it was like people started liking it. And there were message boards back then. And I, so I'm, I don't know, it would be nice to talk with some of the

writers on our show who were there at the beginning. I was told after the pilot. I was told after the pilot that, that Nathan and Haley were going to be like, really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Wow. Yeah. That was part of the reason they recast because they were like, no. we need Nathan and Haley like she is going to fix him and I was like yeah interesting yeah so I I mean they told me and that's why they were like you know we need someone who is sexy so but like doesn't act like it you know so yeah that Nathan gets drawn in by this understated thing and so so all of my codependent issues really worked for me in this storyline I was here to save him.

Like every good high school girl with codependent issues. Guys, we cannot bring home the fixer uppers. Like for any teenage girl listening right now, don't bring home the baggage. Just leave it at school. And anyone who tells you, you make me want to be better. No, no. Run for the hills.

Yeah, yeah. I remember my dad using a metaphor that he thought I would understand because my parents, literally in college, I rescued so many dogs and I would always bring them in my parents' house for a night before I could figure out where to take them. This is a metaphor for the relationships. It is. It'll get there. It'll come back around. My dad was like, if you bring home one more stray dog into this house where we already have dogs, I will literally change the locks and never let you back in. So I was like, okay, I guess six was too many, but okay, fine. and years later you know fast forward i don't know we're in our like mid 20s and my dad just said no more sick puppies rescue dogs not people and i just remember being like and just sobbing because i never i didn't understand that that the sort of i don't know

that that desire or that subconscious thing basically joy what i'm saying is i also have codependency issues and I'm glad we share that and um I just I didn't know that that was bleeding into spaces where it could be you know detrimental to me and so yeah yeah baggage at school puppies at the shelter just keep just just keep your keep on moving there's healthy out there kids yeah there's there's healthy out there I promise um can we talk about Dan oh yeah because this really was like a Dan centric episode manipulating all the kids. But it's so weird to see how young all the parents are in the show.

And as a parent now, it is interesting to watch those storylines, which we noted earlier that it was, well, I'm recognizing for the first time why, one of the reasons why our show was so popular among such a broad age range, because you could watch it with your kids in high school or, you know, whatever, I don't know what age is appropriate for this show. But at the time, you would watch it with your young adults. And then the grownups would watch it as well because they had storylines that they were interested in. And I think it's really cool. I'm liking watching the parent storyline now. I didn't really care much when I was 20. When Dan tells Nathan, Nathan says, oh, he's hitting all my girlfriend right in front of me. And Dan says, you know,

if you're going to get in a fight, getting a fight over something important. I remember feeling so sighted as a young person. But now as an adult, like if my son came home and was like, I've got to fight over a girl, I'd be like, you big idiot. Like, what are you doing? And so to find myself as a grown-up siding with Dan Scott, like, what have I become? That's crazy. Yeah, and Karen, watching Karen, you know, not go to the game and wrestle with like, I want to support my son,

but I just can't go be... That must have been hard. I'll be curious to know what Moira has to say about that. Because that's a hard choice to justify, like to not be able to get past your own issues with the... You know, for her, for Karen not to be able to get past her issues with Dan and Nathan in order to not show up. Have you gone back to your high schools in real life?

Yes. When'd you go? five, six, seven years ago, seven years ago, probably. Just walked through the halls. I went back for a fundraiser, but I don't even remember when. It's got to be at least that long. It's just so weird because we have these, like, fake high school memories and, like, the sets that we walked through as many times as we walked through our real high school halls, you know? and so to go back to like the real space that's seen with Karen being like you know what did what does she say that place knows too much

I can't go back there that yeah what is it that place knows too much too much I got chills when she said that yeah I do I do when I go home I think we all have places that feel like that and I think in in a way isn't it interesting that our show has carried that energy for us in a sense until we've been like no wait this is ours and we made it and it was awesome we're taking it back you know it's a big thing and joy to your point what when you asked like how i wonder how moira did that i think our experience in wilmington actually being so isolated on our show because it was like it was all college kids and retired people mostly like the you know it really was like we just had each other it was very insular it was very very small. And so I think at times when we were figuring ourselves out, it could make failure

feel so much bigger. And I don't know. I would almost wager that maybe for her, it was every single person who's in that gym tonight has a story about me. Like there's no anonymity in a town like Tree Hill. That was kind of part of the point was how in everybody's, everybody else was. So I don't know. I'd be curious to know that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. This was also the episode where we got to hear the theme song for the first time.

Yeah, we had our opening credits. Yes. I don't want to be anything. It's always how that song comes on and I, like, walk into a restaurant or whatever. I'm like, do I hide or am I, like, proud of it? Do I, like, walk around? Like, I secretly hope somebody's going to know. But do you feel like you're being punked?

I, you know, it used to be that, like, in supermarkets or in restaurants, it was on a loop. So you knew that, like, no one, it was just like a block of music that played over and over again. Now, with the way, like, Spotify or, like, technology works, I feel like I'm being punked because it's everywhere. I'm like, are we being followed? Are they tracking our phones? Does someone think this is funny? Like, what is that? They're like, it could be her or it could not be her, but this is how we're going to find out.

Put the song on it. And then if you get weird, if you get socially awkward, it's her. It's her. It's totally her. Oh, God. I do love that song. I still love it. I think it's such a good song.

That whole album is really strong, Gavin de Grau. What's the album? It's Charriot, right? The album is called Charriot. And the song at the end of the episode was a Gavin deGra song also called Belief, which is a super powerful song. He's such an amazing songwriter. Do you ever partying with him at Firebelly?

When did he come? Visit. Was it the Cheryl Crow episode? Yeah, the Cheryl Crow episode, he came back to visit. He was there a few times. He came back in the end too. Yeah, he was in and out. Yeah. He played like our kickoff party, I think. Like when we premiered, he came to Wilmington and like played at a bar or something. But I just remember like being around a pool table with Gavin de Grohl being like, wow, he's really famous. It's crazy. Yeah. It's so cool that he sang our song. Yeah. He did. He's fun. He's fun. time too. He's a great guy. Did you tour with him? Yeah. Yep, I went on tour with him and Michelle Branch. And yeah, he's just like, he's got that swagger. He's got that like, you know, deep artistic soulful heart. But he's also like got to, he's a great time. He'll just, you know, shoot the shit with anybody. He'll have a conversation with anybody from anywhere. He's a curious person. And I just think he's a super cool guy. That's so cool. We still to touch on and off. Yeah, he's a good guy. Has he ever come to one of the conventions?

No, but he should. They totally should bring him out. Gavin, if you're listening, Gavin, don't be a dork. Come hang out with us. It's so fun. We're a great time. We just bring him on this show is what we need to do. I had one of my coolest moments with Gavin.

When he opened for Billy, years later, this after the show has ended, he opened for Billy Joel on Billy Joel tour. No. So anybody that knows me knows what a freak I am about Billy Joel. Like I know every song. I know every word to every song. He's my favorite. So I went to the Joel concert and he was opening and I had like, I texted him, but, you know, I didn't hear. I was like, you know, he's getting ready to do a show.

He's not going to respond. So I was sitting in the front and he, and Gavin does his song. And he starts doing our theme song. And he's like walking down around the audience. And it's at the Hollywood Bowl so you can come down the side of the stage and come around the middle. and up the middle, and as he comes around up the middle, he's got security around him. And I was like, and I just like, I told my friend who I was with us, I'll be right back. And I just ran out into the aisle and like rushed him like a crazy fan and like got right up in his face.

Like, and I was like, either he's going to see me and he's going to let me sing this with him or he's going to be totally freaked out and like they're going to, the security is going to take me away. But I'm going to like take the risk anyway. I'm at a belly joel concert. I have to do it. Oh, my God. up and uh and he he definitely was like uh and then his face switched when he saw me and recognized me and was like oh my god and they like brought me in and we sang on the mic together for a second and like it was so great and then he went up would they put us up on the big tron or whatever

the big screen is he were there singing together so i sang in a billy joel concert technically that is cool that's street cred joy it was pretty cool and he texted me afterwards he was like i have a cold you might want to take some vitamin C when you get home oh no Also, though, I just love your boldness. You're like, I'm going. To rush the performer, Joy, you're iconic. Yeah, I would have been too scared. Like, what if TNZ had been there to catch me getting, like, you know,

clotheslined by security? Who's the broad, you know? Life is short. Oh, man. I like that you went for it. Speaking of going for it, this whole, like, patent art thing, people all the time want to know who drew those pictures. Like, I'm just going to say it.

It wasn't me. We had, like, trained professionals that did all the artwork. And so all the stuff that you see, maybe our awesome producer can pull up her name. Yeah, it'd be nice to know the name of the person that did all that. I don't know if it was the same person all seasons. Oh, really? We had such a great art department. You know, some of the artwork, though, that was taped up to the wall that Peyton tears down.

was stuff that I'd drawn during the pilot and then they just like ripped it out of the notebooks that they'd given me and taped it up because it was like we've got to cover some wall space so all of my real art is the trash art guy and it was drawn by it's on there Hillary in the chat they just did Helen Ward did Helen do all seasons

I mean it's iconic people make you know those canvases that they want us to sign at conventions I hope she's making money off of that I do too where's her little coffee table book Peyton pictures sad stuff Your art matters

You know what's so weird Is that when the show started It was like art art art art art art art But I'd come from MTV And I'm like not an artie lady But I did have like the music thing going And so the transition from art to music for Peyton It was one of those things where it was like

Art imitating life you know and and Sophia you just talked about this like your character had to turn into Sophia a little bit more in order for it to fit right joy did you feel I mean they added you becoming a musician because you were such a skilled musician in real life you know yeah they did I mean I think that are I did love that about the show that there was a heavy lean heavy bent on our artistic prowess being, whether it was writers or people who were reading, you know, great literature or art, great music. I mean, those are cornerstones of our show that, again, something that is a little harder to find now in this genre. And I just love that. And yes, I think, you know, it was just total providence, coincidence, whatever you want to call it, that I was able to. be cast on a show that had that one of the music as a major cornerstone and that you know I never came on the show thinking I was going to play a musician ever and I don't think anyone

planned that and yeah mark heard me sing into myself in a parking lot and just decided to he was like hey do you want to sing on the show I was like I don't know do I maybe I don't know I really didn't know because I was I just it was so much I was uncertain about at the time but yeah glad that I did. It was super cool. It opened up a lot of doors for me. It was cool. Yeah. And I think, you know, to your point, the idea that we got to talk about music and writing and really elevate their sort of pathways into feeling and human experience and catharsis, those are things that a lot of people weren't getting. And we were all

talking during the episode about how interesting it was, like, even in that scene with Lucas and Karen in the cafe, when he's so mad and she's yelling at him because he got in a fight with Nathan at school. And he's just, he's being a boy. You know, he's expressing anger and frustration and to see that in that character and then on the flip side to have Nathan's character being a little boy who's been pressured to behave like a man and like the wrong kind of man, you know, a petty, narcissistic man. It was so incredible to kind of have these men on this seesaw of feeling. It gave all these people permission. And we obviously, as the girls got to do so much of our own, you know, I was going to say legwork and then I'm like, I guess it's heartwork,

like emotional stuff. But I think that's part of why it's really lived for a lot of people still is because they, no matter what end of the spectrum you come in on, you feel represented in some way. And I would like to think you feel permission to, like, feel your feelings and your own complexities and things. Well, did boys cry on TV? See, I was never watching teen dramas. So the only boy I ever, like, no cried on TV was Dawson because I see that meme of James Vanderbyke. I know. It's like a meme.

But did boys cry on TV back then? Oh, I'm sure they did. I'm sure there was. I feel like there was an episode of Luke Perry crying on 902 now at some point. Chad was really, really good about being vulnerable as a boy, you know, and not having to play that toxic masculinity thing of like, I don't feel anything. I'm dead inside. You know, yeah.

He went for it. And I think that's such an interesting thing, too, you know, that they wanted him to play Nathan. And he wanted to do. something different than he'd been doing for his career and and you know isn't it so funny that then and we've talked about this before but like you had sweet little baby james come into play nathan he's he's such a sensitive soul and then had to come in and be bad and it's i don't know it's just so it's so interesting all the things that we all were able to try and and the ways we had to push ourselves to be these people.

Have you guys ever seen James's audition tape? Because like I know James enters a room and it's like, hey, it's nice to see you, cool, cool. You know, and it's like so chill. And then when they just start the scene, like I can't imagine that like turn in the audition

where it's like, oh no, I'm evil. You know. It's so wild. I also, it's striking me in this moment because you know, Hillary, you were talking about how like even in your scenes, like when when Peyton and Lucas would be doing these emotional scenes, like, Chad would always, you know, meet you there. Yeah. And then Joy, I remember asking you something when we were working early, early years.

And I was like, how do you do that, though? Like, what, what's the mechanism to cry like that? Like, I have to get so sad. And you just looked at me and you were like, well, you know, I just kind of, and you did this, like, thing. You went somewhere in your head and you looked to the side and then you were crying. And I was like, what? Are you kidding me? It was like the most magical thing I'd ever seen.

And in this moment, it's hitting me that, you know, you guys, you and Chad really came in having had the most experience on sets. And like me, Hillary and James didn't know anything. And so I'm like, yeah, man. But it's cool because I realized that in this moment, I'm like, oh, right, you guys had like these amazing performer skill sets that, oh, I just remember. I remember watching you do things and just being like, wow. Aw. Well, we had a lot of fun.

We had a lot of opportunities to do that. And you got a lot more opportunities to do all that too. So, I mean, I think Brooke took such a cool. You built it for yourself. Yeah, you really did. And I'm so excited for us to see more of that. The next episode is the famous one of you in the backseat of the car. Oh, man.

I'm pretty sure that's the next one. But, you know, we get to know a little bit more about Brooke. So to all our friends at home, we heard you all really liked our most likely to's last week and so the three of us did a little digging on the internet and we dug up some pretty excellent most likely to do. I'm so excited about these.

They're so ridiculous. We would like if you guys continue to find this fun to pick one every week and decide who we want to attribute it to. What is the one for this week? All right, are we pulling it? Is there a drum roll? Let's pull it. Go. Oh. Okay. Who is mostly likely to go on The Bachelor?

Not that we've seen her yet, but the moment I saw that come out of the hat, my first thought was Deb. Oh, yes, yes. She's like, I deserve a second chapter. I've been dealing with Dan Scott for decades. Yeah. I'm going to say, probably Rachel. Oh, my God. It's totally Rachel. DeNeil hasn't appeared yet, but Rachel did Max some. Yeah, I mean, she did all sorts of weird stuff.

And it didn't, after I left, didn't she end up doing like a TV show with Dan Scott or something weird? Oh, yeah. She ended up, well, do we give away the spoiler? I heard a rumor that they ended up together. Like, she's totally the person to end up on The Bachelor. Yeah, she ended up with the rich guy on a private jet.

You're right. It's Rachel. God bless I love her Okay you guys are flooding our inbox We love it so much It's so cool to hear from all of you Okay so we have some question

With listener questions Are you girls ready for this Ooh I don't know How invasive are they I'm not feeling witty today I'm sorry I was going to say Something about my last gynecology appointment But that would be totally inappropriate

No Okay, Simon was wondering what your first impressions of each other were, which we talked about a little bit, and whether they still remain the same now. And do you think filming on location in particular made you all much closer? Well, I still think Sophia's beautiful and I was blown away to find out that she was so incredibly brilliant as well. like what an amazing um double double header double hitter what do they call it god really doled out with both hands on you kiddo she's a winner listen i remember realizing how smart sophia was when we started doing crew christmas presents and we would get the entire crew best buy gift certificates and sophia was a person that was like you guys are stressing me out i'm going to handle this and

she would go to best buy by like a thousand gift certificates and then have the lists of names and figure out who got what and like being her trailer just managing that and it was a big task all the math and girlfriend you got the money she got all the money from everybody she organized yes and that was pre-venmo yeah and Hillary I still think you're also beautiful and so cool and so soulful and smart and I mean yes our my first impressions of both of you stuck and have deepened for sure a hundred percent Hillary you're like wickedly intimidatingly cool and so yourself and and actually something you share I was just about to pivot to you joy but I realize one of the things that like I love the most about you both and that also makes me feel intimidated because I feel like I don't

know anything is you have such a deep well of like expert level musical theater knowledge So sometimes when the three of us are together, but when the three of us are together, one of you says something and then you go off on a tangent and I'm like, where are they going? What are they talking about? It's usually straight to Jean Beljean. Yeah, it's Le Mizz or into the woods.

It's one of the two. Yeah. Always. My first impression of joy, and this is something that continues to ring true, is joy is the all-American girl next door. She is wholesome and so easy to love right out of the gates. But Joy has a naughty streak that I always felt so privileged to know about.

And so just recently, we have a mutual friend. And we were talking about Joy. And she's like, you know, Joy's just so wholesome and so good. And I'm like, what joy are you hanging out with? Because I know party joy. And she is fun. When Joy lets you into that cut loose circle, you've made it that's the that's the upper echelon it feels real nice because it's true you're so

beautiful and talented and you sing like an angel and and i think because you were playing yeah haley we all were like oh and then and then you get into like the whiskey nights and you're just like oh i've made it right i've made it give me a glass of johnny walker and a nice long virginia slim and i'll have a real good night you have a good chat there it is bad girls club here we come bad girls all right what's our next question oh hilary this one's for you stacey says hilary in the pilot episode did you actually almost run over chad with the comment oh christ i mean so here's what's up um i hadn't really driven a car since high school because i lived in manhattan like why would i drive a car uh and so i came down i don't know that my license was even

good and they give me this car that is you know it's a vintage car brakes aren't awesome it shifts in and out of gear on its own and they're just like okay honey what you need to do is pick up a little speed and then like hit the brakes and hit this mark exactly because he's just going to be standing here and guys i couldn't even hit a mark walking like how am i going to Chad's quick. He's limber. He's survived. What do you want to do? Okay, great. So those are our listener questions. Will you guys keep, please keep sending them to us? You know, because it's fun to figure out what you want to talk about. We know what we want to talk about. We could just go on and on forever.

Can we talk about Joy and her secret town? this is truly one of the greatest things and especially you know a year into not being able to not only be together because we don't live in the same place as all of us but no one could be together because of this pandemic and then it was finally safe for us to do this and we got to do our shoot and I mean listen we may or may not have taken all those bottles of Jane Walker home from the bar with us we did spoiler we did in my day In my defense, I did bring them for us. I brought them as presents, and then we opened them all.

We certainly weren't going to leave them. Joy's Ranch. No. Who would ever waste a great bottle of whiskey? We took them to Joy's Ranch, and we were, like, out with the horses and the dogs. And then we turn around, and this goddess woman with her mermaid hair is mixing the stiffest drinks that were just so good. Well, the rose petals are what got me. Joy goes out into her garden and it's just like plucking rose petals to put in drinks.

And like, is she a fairy? What is this? It was glorious. Yeah, you made us this like floral version of an old fashion. I mean, it's what inspired the cocktails that we literally made with Jane Walker. We got to make boxes of them because of you. It was so cool. So we got, we, okay, I love mixology.

It's something that I kind of started over the pandemic. And it's to me, it's kind of like the closest, I know how to get to potion making. There's like all these pretty bottles and you can pour stuff out and mix things and they taste good and they make you feel certain ways and it's very exciting. So yeah, it's become a bit of a hobby. And yeah, that was one of my favorites. I really love, there's a rose syrup. It's not a syrup. It's a liqueur.

It's a rose liqueur. And when you mix it into kind of like an old-fashioned style drink with whiskey, it's particularly. particularly great. So yeah, we'll have to post that that recipe as well as our smoky Lapson-Suchang. Smoky syrup, tea-infused cocktail that we got to make with Jane Walker. And it's called the iconic. So pass the word around. That's the iconic drama queen. And we'll post those recipes soon. But yeah, that was fun. And I'm so glad that you girls came over because it was really, we haven't been able to really do that, just all together. So we were supposed to come to your house just for dinner,

and so if I didn't leave to like 1 o'clock in the morning. It's like, oh, like, I hope we get a car out here. And we did. But yeah, it was an adventure. I love it out there. Just sitting out on your patio and like seeing the horses and all the stars and being able to catch up. That's like the first time we've gotten to hang out in somebody's backyard

since we were in Wilmington. Oh, my gosh. That's right. It's so true. Yeah, because so much of what we've all been able to do, you know, over the last half decade has been in cities around the world. Like, we'll go to Montreal, we'll go to Paris. We haven't been able to just sit at home.

And it felt so nice. So how should we wrap up, guys? Should we talk about... Well, we need to talk about what our favorite lines of the episode are, for sure. Okay. Well, I don't think there's any... I mean, I guess, well, your art matters is like, that's the one. That's like the star line.

Yeah. it's it's tattooed on my heart like i not in real life guys like i don't really have a tattooed but um it yeah i feel like that's the heart of patent like that line everything comes back to that yeah and and it's your art matters is that iconic line but it's it's the support line it's what got me here like that's the whole thing of it you did something and it made me brave it did matter. It's after you gave him that whole speech, the whole grown-up speech at the car, and what does it matter? It doesn't matter to anybody anyway, and that he took the risk to say that to you in spite of how often you reject him. Boys should always talk to us that way.

Yes. Always. Tell us what we want to hear. Thank you very much. And I got to say, the sleeper hit for me was definitely that place knows too much. That was a punch in the gut. That's the grown-up. line that hits us now as grown-ups where it's like, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Girls, this has been so fun.

I can't wait till our next one. I love you. I love you too. I'm so dirty from farming today. So I love that this is our lady break. Like where we get to just like pause and be 17-year-old girls again. And have a good time.

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