Drama Queens - LIVE IN PHILLY! feat. Paul Johansson & Torrey DeVitto

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

The DQ RV tour takes us to the City of Brotherly Love…or more aptly, the City of Sisterly Love. Either way the irony is thick as the discussion is all about favorite villains with none other than Dan Scott and Nanny Carrie!  And even more secrets are shared including favorite OTH moment, favorite movie and favorite on-screen kiss! Plus some real life villainous behavior is revealed...Find out which Queen once crashed a wedding!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys. You guys are awesome. Okay, so we're going to give you the heads up. We threw away the script because this is the last show, the last stop of our tour. We have had the best time. It's been a blast. And we were just like, we're not going to do it the way we've been doing it. We're just going to make some shit out.

Philly, are you ready to party? The late night show always ends up being a little salty, right? Always. We've got such a rowdy crowd, especially here in Philly. I love this city. This city is so cool. I've been to Philly once before, I think, maybe on the tour, the One Tree Hill tour we did with Tyler and Gavin to Graemeh, Michelle.

Yeah. And, but I didn't get to really spend time here. It was just sort of on and off the tour bus. So this is really cool. We were driving through the city, like, it's so artsy, it's so interesting. There's obviously so much history here. And it feels like a spooky. Yep.

You guys, we were in the car. We were like, do we need to move here? Oh, yeah. It's cute. It's beckon. It has all of, like, the checklist items, if you're a witch, it's like, cute little shops, check. Cobblestone streets, check. Creepy alleys, check, you know?

All the stuff. I'm obsessed with all the, uh, What do you call it on the walls? The refeed the mosaics. No, no, the mosaics outside. Mosaic. Guys, we were talking backstage with the nice ladies who helped us get ready, who were like, well, you must know, fill in the blank, like, restaurant, whatever.

And we were like, no. And they said, well, haven't you ever been to Philly? And I was like, no. Oh. There was this one time I came to Philly. Oh. And I spoke to the Girl Scouts. They did like a Girl Scout convention here.

and it was so cute and they were like 5,000 little girls they were really excited about community service and two of my friends were with me and it was like we

it was so good it was like being in a Disney cartoon that that night when we were walking to dinner we crashed a wedding yes this is the wedding crash

this is the wedding crash this is a wedding so if you guys don't think for a second we saw a party tent being put up like a few blocks from here on our way

to the show tonight and Sophia's like remember what block this is on I was like, listen, I have a tradition here. I'm in somebody's wedding video. I was only in their reception for 11 minutes, but I figured I'd make it count.

Oh, yeah. Surely there's a Wednesday wedding happening somewhere. Of course, why not? Or maybe a bar mitzvah? There's got to be said, let's get into trouble. Let's mix it up. I love that way. What's the trouble we want to hit in Philly?

Yeah. What do we want? Fishtown? What is there? Fishtown. Fish town doesn't sound like Okay. She says Fish Towns where the witchy stores are. Oh, she's a witch. Oh, okay. Yeah. Listen, I see you, I hear you, I feel you, I understand.

Thank you, sister. Yeah, we have felt that this is very much the city of sisterly love. Yes. Definitely. The first audience was so loving, so we felt kind of bad, letting them know, this is Villains Night. so we want to talk about all things evil tonight have you guys gotten to play bad guys before I mean Mark Davis used to be kind of a bad guy oh no better hard a goal

maybe no don't talk about you that way I love her but she can throw a nice punch a good slap yes as the person on the receiving him we just watched that episode today yeah that was brutal it's a hard slap We did a podcast today in our hotel, and we all went, oh, cringe. I got to play a villain.

I just did that movie, the so cold the river, and so I kind of turn into a villain in that. And then also, I had an Agents of Shield. I was kind of creepy and cold and villainy. That was, it's fun. It's always the most fun to play the villains because they're just so bad and complicated. I just break up relationships.

That's what you do? Like every show I'm on, I'm like, You guys were enjoying that? So you're an emotional villain, is what you're saying? I'm here to fuck it up. Let's kiss. Yeah, lots of different kinds of villains. Who are like our hero villains? Yeah, who's your favorite when you were grown up?

Like, for me, Alan Rickman and Die Hard is like a perfect fit. He's so evil. He's so evil, but he's also like, you'd still kiss him. Because he's got a cool accent He dresses nice Like he's ambitious That's attractive I felt that way about

I can't remember his character's name I feel like maybe it was Jack In Outlander Tobias Menzies In Outlander Like he was really I just was so It was the same vibe I hate you

I kind of want to make out with you I'm gonna kiss you Yeah Yeah Yeah This is why we're all in therapy No I'm not I married Negan

Like, I literally saw it, grabbed it, caps. Who was your favorite villain growing up? Oh, man. You know what? She's laughing already. Okay, so one of my favorite movies growing up was the Princess Bride. Of course. And I watched it over and over.

Like, I burned through the VHS tape. And then years later, I was like, you know what, I want to have. like a throwback to childhood movie night I'm gonna watch the Princess Bride and I was like oh shit this is a comedy like this is not a serious movie at all but as a little kid I was like rats of unusual size

so dangerous oh god and I thought he's not left handed why does he have six fingers I really thought of all the pirates I was like they're villains but they get turned good because there's so much goodness in this movie and I was like no they're bumbling idiots and they're adorable but as a little girl

who thought that was a serious movie, they were like, my favorite bad guys to keep a scene. I love that. I mean, bad guys are the backbone of storytelling, because you can't have a really good story without having a villain. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Oh, who'd you ask for? Dan, listen, we're going to have to have two more drinks before Dan Scott comes out. It's true. I'm going to make one of them. Stop it right now. Is that a tall boy? I'm sorry, that's a tall white claw. Wow.

We have crossed over. You guys. We have crossed over. I like that. All right. Well, listen, how many of you guys are here with your friends tonight? How many of you are here totally by yourself? Oh, yeah.

All right. If someone next to you just raise their hand right now, you introduce yourself. you say welcome to the One Tree Hill family that's right that you don't just have to do that in church now you do it at our shows be with you peace be with you everyone our fandom is a family it's so cool when we see people come to things like this who've met online my least favorite part of church what oh oh you got to touch everybody it is welcome if you haven't been here with us we just want you to turn to your neighbor and say good morning let them know I hate that part It makes me so uncomfortable.

I'm always just like, oh, God, no, don't talk to me. I don't know you. Stranger Danger! Yeah. I'm really glad we just made at least 40 people do that. You guys are going to be fine, though. If you're like in this room, it's like a pre-screen. If you're here, if you're with us on a Wednesday night, you're probably a pretty cool person.

You can bet it. Right? You've been bet it. Yeah. We're all on this journey together. Joy, do you want to talk about journey? I love talking about journeys, Hillary. Today's journey

is brought to you by Chief Caribbean All right to all of our Drama Queen's friends out there this tour has been incredible but also this last year of podcasting with you guys

hanging out with us has been so awesome so cheers to our sisters oh here's tonight well we want to talk to you some more about

your favorite villains and we want to talk to your favorite villains So we brought some pretty cool people on this door with us. And tonight, we have Nanny Carey and Dan Scott. Yes, we do. Please welcome Tori DeVito and Paul Johansson. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, me do you. When I'm a side, you're going to come from here. Look, he's a teddy bear. Hello, everyone. Yeah, no, I didn't hear that song, the bad boy song that came on when we came out. That's hilarious. Honestly, they were like, what song should we have for like, Phyll and Night?

And I think we jokingly said on the Zoom, we're like, Bad Boys, the cop's theme song. And then we never followed up, and it was like, you know what? That was the right choice. That's a good choice. Yeah. Uh-huh. He's a director. director.

I love it. Look at the muscles on this man. Can we all look at Paul Duranza's muscles? Hello? Paul's been doing push-ups to the last hour backstage. Nice. Do you feel like me to say? Do you feel the feeling to stay super strong to be a villain?

Just so you could fight at any given time. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I feel very, very strong. Absolutely. Tori DeVito. She defeated me, though. Right?

I mean, I tried to. I tried to. For a time. For a time. Okay, my question is, uh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. My question is, when you were in Berserker with Craig Schaeffer. a highly anticipated movie

I want to know about playing a villain in that movie I was the hero in that movie I was the hero in that movie You were? Yes Berser is a classic film which I'm sure you've all seen Yes yes I shot it in 19 In South Africa

And I was a Viking Who traveled through time Because a spell was cast on me By a witch My brother Stay with me. My brother, Tori's like mouth open. My brother played by Craig Schaeffer

three years before Winterhill played my brother. That's right. How about that? Follow me through space time into the future in Sweden where I was a Viking berserker warrior looking to kill the witch to cast a spell on. Are you still with me?

Yeah. I'm there. Okay. I didn't shoot him, but I was going to turn to kill my brother. What? Look at this. Isn't that crazy? And I, before I went to shoot this movie, they paid me an extra amount of money to get ripped.

Yeah. Can we all say that together? Ripped. That's what I like. And then he just stayed that way. All I'm hearing is that you and Craig Sheffer essentially cast a reverse spell Exactly.

And got us to make our show and then got us to show up here as witches tonight. Witches! Like that, was that movie an opening in the space time continuum? The movie was huge. The movie is a classic.

I'm sure it was nominated for nothing. And don't need to get ever... By the way, the producers who made the movie, who was an English company called Peak View Entertainment, entertainment, all of the producers of that movie went to jail for embezzling money

from the UK government. Are you here? All of the... It's a... family, the family, the brother, the sister, the other brother, all went to jail for stealing money from the UK government for, you know, making movies and then lying about how much it cost and then getting money. There's some of that, the money they paid you to get ripped?

Oh, I got, yeah, yeah. Listen, if you haven't done an independent movie where the budget has been embezzled, then you're not working in film. That's right, that's right. You have a paid to doze as an actor. Absolutely, I know. Was Nanny Carey your first villain? Yes, she was most definitely my friend.

first villain. Even like in theater, like high school, like anything? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was my first villain. Did you know she was going to be a villain or did you just think you were getting cast to play a nice lady taking care of a cute kid? I was cast to play the nanny. No. Stop. No crazy was in there. It was just funny. There was no crazy in your audition. I was just like, oh hi, Haley, nice to meet you. I'm Carrie. And that was all my audition was. So I'm like, what do I exude that made them think like let's put a little crazy in there is what I want to know but yeah

no nothing it was just a nice day and then after the first chunk of episodes when I tried to break up your marriage they called me and they called me because I thought I was done after that you know she had been cast off and I thought I was

done and they called me and they said what do you think about coming back and doing a misery storyline with her and I was like like yes are you kidding me that's like the dream so yeah I had no idea what's your family say my grandma was like well I told all my church friends to watch and I was like she told him in the morning the part of the service and everybody's shaking each other's hands and she was like well I just don't know about you anymore Tori and I was like I'm sorry

granny yeah that wasn't a direct quote she still loves me though she's just a little scared of me now but you know who was your favorite villain growing up. Did you have movie villains or anything that you... I didn't have a favorite villain, but I think my favorite, like, scary movie was killer clowns from outer space. Shut. Did you like see that one? Yeah, that was a good one. That's a nightmare. Who showed you that movie?

Me and my best friend in middle school used to watch it on repeat. That and Greece 2. We used to alternate. Greece 2! Wait, so if you're watching freaky stuff, did you ever watch Sleepaway Camp? No. Because that was also, like, top tier weird. I'm going to check that one out.

Yeah, yeah. That's what you guys are going to do this weekend. movie that he just talked about. What movie like scared the bejesus out of you when you were a kid? The ring scared the bejes out of me. He was born in 1996. The ring terrified him. Well, the first movie that scared,

the really scared me was Jaws. Oh, yeah. It was 1974. I think the shark was cardboard. Before CGI, right? But the exorcist when I saw that, and then the little girl's head spin around.

I was really young and I, I mean, literally I think, because I was raised Catholic and I really believed in all of that stuff to the point where my dad was like putting like holy oil on our heads before we go to sleep. Oh, thank. Yeah, I know, it was traumatic. And look, you made it. You're here.

It worked. Tadda! His head starts spinning. I've never seen the exorcist either. You've never seen it? Me neither. You guys, they shot it in D.C. And I grew up outside of D.C.

And that was, like, the big hot date night. Like, you'd go to the stairs where the priest got pushed down the stairs. Like, that was a hot date. Well, how about Fire Starter, though? Firestarter was actually filmed in Wilmington, that Drew Barrymore movie. If you've ever seen that poster of Drew Barrymore as a little girl with her hair all crazy and that everything's on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was filmed in Wilmington. And I remember when we got there, that was a big deal that we were in the town where they had filmed Fire Service, like, legendary Hollywood pedigree history. That's great. Did you ever think when you were a little kid that you would be creating a scary, iconic character?

What are you a teacher right now? Paul's like, what are you talking about? What are you guys talking about? Any good gossip over there? We love you. Oh, we love you too. Sure. Sure, Paul's like, hold on, are they making fun of them?

you were really talking about. Did you ever think when you were a little kid, like I'm going to create a villain? Like in your room alone, stare? Yeah, yeah. Look, just so you guys should kill the whole thing, I had no interest in acting, not like the geniuses over here.

I really had no interest in acting until I was years old. It was all basketball for you. None. I was a basketball player. I played for my university. I played from my country. But you talked to...

You were basketball. Yeah, I was the real deal. I wasn't like this Diet Coke step. Diet Coke stuff. I'm like, Coke a motherfucker cola. I can really play. So when I was watching, yeah, okay, yeah, it's a nice move. It's like, I mean, I did commercials with Magic Johnson, Tim Hardaway.

Spike Lee directed me in a commercial. Just me, yo. I mean, I did, I was like, though, I was a real ball player, right? I thought I was going to make the NBA, and then I came to America and went, no. No, I'm not making the NBA. So I got in acting. Yeah, but do you feel like that competitive nature and that shit talking on the court

helped you create characters that were aggressive that way? I think that part's probably true, but I will say that I think being an athlete got in the way of, well, it helped me with, like, movement, like being, like, confident in movement and acting. And the confidence is important, too. That's all acting is anyway, by the way, confidence.

But seriously, Paul, there's an intimacy in basketball where you're in each other's face. Yeah, we really get intimate in basketball. Very intimate in basketball. Not intimacy in basketball. No, you nailed it. That's where the intimacy lies.

Sure. Lots of intimacy in basketball. I can see Dan Scott energy on the basketball court because you get right up in people's faces. Yeah, no, you're right. I'm just saying that like I think that sports can be a little bit... I don't think competition in acting is healthy.

I think that you need to know. not be competitive in acting. I know it sounds weird, but I think it's really paralyzing because then you start trying to compare your work or performance or career. It's the opposite. So I kind of like fought real hard to try to lose that part of my personality in acting because it didn't service me.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So then which villains did you look to to say, all right, these are the granddaddies of Dan Scott. Right. There's a fly that won't leave you alone. I think it's a fly from our RV. I'm decaying.

I don't want to brag about it. It's because you use that blood to paint your eyes. Yeah, I know. It's cool. It's my own blood. You do kind of look like that girl a night where, what is the number before Christmas thing? Right.

Corpse bride? Yeah, right? Listen. I've got a stick, Paul. No, I mean, it's corpse hot. Oh, it's corpse hot. Oh, I was going to go somewhere. Don't, don't.

No. Did either of you guys have to, like, did you find yourself doing research or using character references or anything to sort of build the characters of Dan and Carrie? Yeah, I practiced using a syringe so many times in my hotel. What? Over and over and over. Like pillows, oranges, like whatever would take me. I was like, just like walking around my hotel room with syringes. I went, I had to hold a revolver and I'd never held a gun, so I went to a gun range.

I was so intense about doing her because it was also like my first role that I was like, people are gonna see this. I was like, oh my God. And I, my first, I mean, probably the whole first season five, every day I went to set, I probably hit it, unless you saw it, I don't know. I was shaking every day. I was so nervous.

I have no idea. I'm just so nervous. I remember I had to pour a coffee pot for one and it was like, mm-mm, and I was like, oh my God. So I like really did some weird creed. I remember my ex-husband. at the time came to visit me and he was literally like I can't be around you

you have to put the syringes away and I was like what? He's like it's really started to put me out. I was not you know that was my 20s now I'm a little more chill. Did you have actresses that you were like the you know like hand that rocks the cradle was great source material for the Nanny Carey's storyline

were there any like actresses you were like oh I like this crazy because it's also fun yeah I know I didn't think anything was fun about it because I was so into it that every day I was like feeling like I had to be so quiet and like in my head and in my space

and like have all this compassion for her and I was like oh and I you know I would just go home and play my Nintendo DS like the brain game to try to like not think about set and you never settled into it at work where you could enjoy the fun of playing a movie no it was so intense Tori actually you know it's true you were very quiet on the set

I was she was I was scared of my own shadow I was like, I want to do a good job. It was so intense for me. I would try to make you laughing, and you were just not... I was like, she doesn't laugh. No, she doesn't laugh. That's interesting. She doesn't know how.

How did that feel, Paul? She's a corpse nurse. Yeah. Corpse hot nurse. There's no nurse. What was that dynamic for you two, though? Because you're used to being the bad guy, and now all of a sudden you're the victim. Was that weird?

I mean, it's okay. Well, we have to get, like, really into the act. So for me, I don't ever play bad guys, ever. Well, duh. You justify everything they do. Oh, so see how they mock me? No.

You should see the stuff I take behind the scenes. This is exactly. This is abuse. This is abuse. She's condescending. She's lippy. Thank you very much. I would like one compliment before we move on, Hillary.

I have talked about your muscles all night. Good enough. I'll take it. Now I'd like to talk. about my muscles yeah no come on I'm I mean okay the thing is when you play a bad guy so I studied a little bit of the movie called the Great Santini when I got this part if you guys probably know who that is but Robert Duval played overbearing father and I know that I got this job because the creators of the show and the and the Brian

Robbins and Mike Tallins knew me who were the producers of this show and we're the ones they did in Canada the other shows they did like they did what I like about you. All those other shows, right? Yeah. Well, they knew me because they as a basketball player from before, so they knew about my kind of career, and they knew that my dad was a former hockey star,

and I was a semi-successful basketball player in my right. But I had that on the court. I was kind of known for being really intense in a way that was kind of beyond... It's kind of like, you ever see the Michael Jordan documentary? He's just like Michael Jordan. I'm just like Michael Jordan. No, but...

The intensity where it's like it's beyond friendships, it's beyond anything, it's about the win. That's it. You know what I mean? Take prisoners, make friends later. Right now I'm here to win. And that's how you need to be trained to be like, you know, the top level athletes. Unfortunately, in a lot of sports, I don't know if it's true anymore, but that's the way they taught us when I was growing up. We had sports psychologists at the Olympic training programs in Canada where they would come in your room before you go to bed and put a tape on.

and there's a hundred sounds, a hundred of the same repetitive sounds of a ball going through a net. Not hitting the rim, just a net. You're supposed to sleep to this? Well, you have to psychologically imagine making every shop before you get a bed up. But that kind of like reinforcement.

Well, they do it. I was going to say that. Sounds like a government experience. Yeah. It's like my worst nightmare. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, you're baby. But sports psychology is a really high level thing for Olympic skiers

have to see every turn and they have to successfully completely in their minds. It's all in your mind. Before they go. Everything's in your mind. Yes. You know, this is not real.

So you guys think I can levitate? Good. So that's why I was Dan Scott that way, because I played it in through that kind of intensity. Does that make sense? Yeah. So you kind of applied all of the intensity of your Olympic training and your basketball history to him. And then did that make it really easy for you as Dan to apply that kind of intensity to Nathan? with the Ravens, like, did it really just track as honest for you in that way?

What a beautiful question. You know, and that's not kind of... I have a podcast, Paul, I like to ask questions. That was a real. No, that was a beautiful question because it cuts to some important points, which is the nuance of being also, how do you take all that mixture of what I said a minute ago and then apply it to what would I do as a real father? What I care for my son?

How do I want him to be successful? What is the right amount of love, the right amount of love? of reinforcement and how do you discipline and self-discipline and all the kind of deferred gratification that things you need to do in order to he wants to do this how do I help him get there so I over-applied those things but I tried to do it in through the vein of the idea that he's my son I love him I want him to succeed and he doesn't know that my being tough on him is actually the best gift I could ever give him through that lens is how I played him through Nathan the whole story around with Lucas was a completely different

approach, a completely different approach, so I could separate the two. So you'll see that I never talk to the two the same, ever, ever, ever, ever, because I approached them completely different. So then did you... What's that? Yeah, Dan's got the mayor. Dan's got the mayor. Exactly.

Make Dan great again. But, too soon? I'm sorry, too soon. I mean, they are similar. Make Dan great again. That's a good point. Were you that, were you always surprised when you had fans come up to you and yell at you?

Can I have a sip of your drinks? Yeah, you're, have your own, have a margarita. Take that, take that. Were you, if you, you know, since you see, since you see Dan as not a villain, as someone who you found compassion for and you rationalized all of his choices, which you had to do, obviously,

but then did it always kind of surprise you when fans would come up and be angry? I mean, what's like some of the, what's the craziest fan experience you had? because people would come up to you mad all the time. I think this is best transferred to Sophia to tell this story. You guys, I will never forget the first, like, oh, I don't know if being an actor was a good idea moment that I had was with Paul in the first season of our show. And, you know, it's airing and we're walking down the street one day in Wilmington.

It was daylight. It was broad daylight. I don't remember where we were going. We don't go out in daylight normally. I know. Vampires. You know, it's rare. It's amazing. We didn't combust.

But we were walking down the street, and I just hear, ah, you! And I turn around, and Paul just looked so surprised. And I had to, like, look around him, because look at his body. And this woman has run up behind him, and she had, like, a, you know, one of those purses just with a strap, and she grabbed it and was going, you, swinging her purse, hitting him in the arm. You are such a big.

Dad, Dad, what is the matter with you? Dad, Dad, Dad! And I was like, oh my God, and do you remember what you did? To fear help? No. No, sorry. Paul is so quick, and you realized she really thought of you as Dan Scott. And as she swaying her purse at him like this, I need an arm.

I need you to give me an arm. I have to demonstrate it. And let me act. He grabs her and he goes, yeah, baby, I am a bad dad. And this woman. Bad time. Yeah. The way you just felt, I watched happen to her.

It washed over her face, and suddenly she had her purse like this, and she was like, hi. And I was like, I can't tell if you're going to be charged with assault or get a phone number and go on a date. But either way, I'm a witness. Oh, my God.

He's a band down. I love that journey. I got the baby first off. Tori. Yeah, Tori, you had a crazy couple interactions too. I did. I had weird. Yeah, a lot of people, it was intense.

But the most, I, yes, that was the problem, right? So one, that was super memorable. I went to the gym, and I was getting undressed, not dressed, not dressed, undressed, in the locker room. And I'm standing there. pretty much naked. And this girl comes up to me and she was like, you're ruining everything. And she turned around and walked away and I was like standing there naked like, oh, just mortified. I was like, this is wild. I feel like I could see you being in an elevator,

like being cute with a baby and the mom being like, don't look at my baby. Well, actually, what's funny about that, I was actually volunteering at the Children's Hospital at UCLA. Stop, stop in Torrey. And I was. And I I went to go to one trail and I went back to the children's hospital and I was assigned to the teen ward. Oh no. And I'm walking down and I see this two teens actually come out of the rooms and I swear to you. One steps out, looks at me and goes. And drops right back in and I was like, oh no, I'm here to help. I want to help.

Baby, there is nothing you could say at that point. No, you're nothing. I was like, oh no. I played other people too. I promise. I'm not going to harden you, I swear. That's kind of fun, though. I mean, your characters did bad shit stuff. Is there any stuff you wish your character had done?

Like, what's the one step further that you wish you'd had? Do you sing, Tori? I don't. Because you play violin. You come from a musical family. Your sisters also play instruments? No. No?

Just me. Okay. Yeah. Imagine if you'd stayed the nice nanny, and you guys could have made music. Yeah, you guys could start a band. Yeah. You could have been in a band. You play the middle.

You could have been in a band. I mean, should have would have could have. She just could have seen clearly, right? Yeah, that's right. No, but, you know, I guess violin, maybe I could have played for you after feeding you cockroaches. Would that have been weird? That would have been really romantic.

Romantic, a little twisted, then I lower you into the grave, keep playing. I don't know. Sounds like my last Tinder date. You got too terrible. Oh, God. Paul, you literally did do everything on the show. Yeah. Did we jump the shark with the heart?

I was just going to. Yeah. No. We jumped the shark pretty much like from the jump. That, though, that was our writers being like, you know what? You guys have been making fun of us. Watch this. And Hold my beer.

That was the original Hold My Beer. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you guys. Okay. You want crazy. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

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is close to yours as well. Ladies and gentlemen, will you please give a huge round of applause for Switchfoot. Yes. All right. Fumbling is confidence and wondering why the world is past in time. All right, we're in love with these dudes at this point. We'd have been on the road together. Hey, I heard a rumor you were trying to hang out with girls you thought were us in the hotel. It's true.

That's what happened? I'm the awkward guy. That's me. And I saw someone who I knew was in One Tree Hill, and I thought I had met her in D.C. We were in D.C. last night. And I'm like, hey, how are you doing? My brother's seeing this whole thing, and he's like... Just laughing.

And I'm like, I could have sworn it. But, he's like, good to see you again. We met last night. And she's like, no, we didn't. It was Tori, though. It was me. It was Tori. And I didn't know who they.

And you guys were sitting there with a lot of stuff around you, like books and bags and things. And I was like, do they live in this hotel? Where was I last night that I saw this person? I was so confused. They'll let anyone into this place. Oh, yeah. So then we walk in here and my brother's. like, you know that girl you embarrassed yourself in front of at the other child?

That's her on stage. So, it's good to see you again. You guys have been on the road a lot, we've been on the road, you know, we're like, we're learning the ropes of the road very slowly. Is this, you've been to Philly before, I'm sure. Many, many times. Many times. I love, yes, we love Philly.

We played this room many times. I've never seen it with chairs before. I'm usually like crowd surfing or climbing up there somewhere Do it right now Let's get weird All the way out there And I want to

recall the very first time we ever played a show outside of California It was here in Philly And yeah This was the city where we thought Maybe we could actually be a band Maybe we could do this Actually do you remember

The drive in to that show I remember you, you, uh, yes. Were you guys in an RV, a 2013 RV? Minivan. Yeah, this is like, you know, in the year 2000. And I'm driving over the toll bridge. You guys are familiar with this from New York to Philly. It was our third time across.

Well, okay, so I was getting to that. So I kept, I was driving, and I kept making a wrong turn and looping back around. So this was my third time paying the same toll. We're in Philly. No, we're not. We're in Philly. No, we're not. At this point, we're late, and I'm kind of, like, stressed,

and everyone's kind of on my case. We run out of change? Yeah. And so I'm looking for change, and I take my foot off of the, what's it called, the brake? I believe it's called the break, too. What's it called? And so I'm rolling, and I don't realize it.

And who's in front of us, but I mean, taller than you, larger than just like this just mountain of a man on a motorcycle and I just roll right into the back Oh no and so it's like

it was like out of a movie where he like stands up and you just keep standing and then slow walks back and you know he thought I was like causing trouble and I was like I would never do that to someone of your size And he saw, yeah. Please tell me you said exactly that.

He saw the fear on my little brother's face. And then he looked at his bike and he was like, okay, no harm done, go on. And I was like, okay. And ever since then, we love Philly. That's right. Yeah. Basically, ever since you didn't die

getting into the city, you like it here? Yeah. Thanks for letting us back in. Yeah. I think you owe Philly payback with a song. Yeah. Let's do it. That's right.

That's right. I will do it. On one condition. Joy, can you sing with us? No, I'm with you. Let's go! Do it! So we'll do this song.

This was the first song that really, where I fell in love with Switchfoot as a band, because I was watching, my friend Nicholas Sparks wrote a book called A Walk to Remember, and they made a movie about it. And you guys had this beautiful song featured in the movie, and I walked around my house for, like, a year afterwards, singing it. So this is kind of like a dream come true for me. Just bear with me while I have my fan girl moment. Okay.

It's the one that I'm trying to write over and over again. I'm awake in the infinite cold. But you sing to me over and over and over again. So I lay my mind. And I lift my eyes and pray to be your life to be only yours. I'm afraid to be only yours. I know you're my only home. Sing to me of the song

Of the stars Love your melody Dancing and laughing Laughing again When it feels like my dreams are so far plans that you have me have me so i left my hand back and i lift my hands i know my hands i know I heard down there, Philly. You were singing.

There's your chance to waltz. I was never hearing what at waltzing, unfortunately. I can't do my empathy. I'm giving you all. all with me I want your symphony singing all that I am at the top of my life

I'm giving it in time and then I lay my head I down Show me those lights I love those lights And I lift my hands and pray To be only yours My pray

To be only yours I pray To be only yours I know now you're my only I need a standing room for my friend Joy y'all, come on now! I love you guys! Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

How about that high note, right? More, more, more. Right? Chills. Sing more. So I feel like we, let's just stay in nostalgiaville. But since it's Halloween coming up, we've got a Halloween theme. Can I put my Bob Dylan costume on?

Dying for your costume? There is. right there. There it is. Pretty convincing, right? No? Not really? Chick-or-Treat.

Chip-Treat. Your Bob Dylan costume looks like a harmonica. So I want to play one of the first songs I wrote after dropping out of college. But it feels like you can cheer for that,

you can do whatever you want. I know we're going to... fumbling his confidence and wondering why the world is pasting by hoping that he's been for more than arguments and failed attempts to fly high we were meant to live so much more and we lost ourselves somewhere we live in soil somewhere we live in sight

we're meant to live so much more and we lost ourselves somewhere we live inside about providence and whether mine's like me got a second try maybe we've been living with the eyes I've opened maybe you're bent and broken we're broken broken broken how we're we're meant to live so much more We lost ourselves

Somewhere we live inside Somewhere we live inside We were meant to live But we're meant to live So much born We lost ourselves Somewhere we live in sight We want more than this world

Yeah, we want more than this world's got to offer Yeah, we want more than this world's got to offer Yeah, we want more than the wars and the wars of our fathers fathers and everything inside screams for second life yeah, hey, yeah. We were meant to live so much more that we lost ourselves. We were meant to live so much more

but we lost ourselves. We meant to live so much more that we lost ourselves. We were meant to live. Thank you very much. So we're very much. So we, I just realized we're coming back to Pennsylvania in a couple weeks.

Is that right? Is that right? Like a month. A month. I don't know the date. It's a Christmas, we're doing a Christmas tour, y'all. Yeah, guys, a little birdie told us that these guys will be back here on December 6th. Hey-oh.

Thank you. Put it in your calendars. Are you guys going to dress like handsome Santas? I mean, I don't want to give it away. Wait, before you do your next song, guys, there's an experience. Like, the last show, this was so cool, and I'm hoping that our back-of-house lighting can do the same thing that you did last time, because this is such a cool experience. If you guys will get your phone lights ready

and just do the whole little thing that you guys did last time with the lights on them and turn all of us off and just like enjoy this magical experience because this song is super meaningful to me and I know it will be to all of you. It'll be like Christmas lights. Yeah. Oh.

For Halloween. Boogie nights. It's about as awkward as I am, y'all. Welcome to the planet Welcome to the planet Welcome to the distance Everyone's here Everyone's here

And everybody's watching you now Everybody waits For you now What happens next What happens next I dare you to move I dare you to move I dare you to move

I dare you to let yourself out of the floor. I dare you to want, I dare you to want, like today were I've been, today we've been before. I'm going to go on record and say, out of the three crowds we've had, this is the best crowd yet, y'all. Yeah. Welcome to the far out.

Welcome to resistance. Welcome to resistance. See the tension is right here. Yeah, the tension is right here It's between who you are and who you couldn't be It's between the way this world spins and how it should be I dare you to want I dare you to want

I dare you to let yourself off the floor I dare you to move I dare you to move Like today I've been Today where I've been Maybe redemption The story is to tell

Maybe forgive This is right where you felt Or where should you want to It's a scared from yourself. Where are you gonna go? Where are you gonna go, yeah? Where are you gonna run till now? Yeah.

Gonna hear you one last time before we go back to California. See this last one again? But you're gonna run till now. I dare you to move I dare you to move I dare you to let yourself off the floor I dare you to move

I dare you to move like sit never ride me today never I'm driving today Wow, wow, wow, wow. Thank you so much, PA. Give it up! Thank you for having this. What a gift.

Yeah, it was beautiful. Wow, guys. That is a level of nostalgia. Oh, that's still your microphone. Oh, that's amazing. How lucky are we? Like, they hung out with this yesterday in D.C. And we were like, oh, cool.

To watch somebody perform three times in two days and still be like, uh-huh. Yeah, so solid. They're insane. They're so insane. Well. Wait, because you also talk about the fact that Joy gave me massive chills. Yes.

I'm like, staring. at her like are we going to name this episode the high note because you hit the high note she hit the high note yeah yeah thanks guys you know singing is a little bit like basketball when you have to hit the high note you really imagine it going up and over and right into the minute so guys we are so happy to be here on our last show with you and we want to answer your questions. We want to be able to talk to you a little bit. We've got one of our producers out here who's going to pass a microphone around. What do we got? We know you're there somewhere. Oh, God. I know. I love seeing those house lights. It's nice to see all you guys. Yeah. Can we raise

the house lights? Yeah. That's right. Thank you. Hi. Hi. All right. All right. We have our first question of the night from Claudia. Hi, Claudia. Hi. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I can't believe I'm talking to you right now. My question is, if you could play any other character on the show, who would you play? Dan. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. Yeah.

Really? Of course. Yeah. That is the sweetest thing. Oh, baby. Baby. Repeat that, please. Hot Dad.

Hot Dad. Or Chris Keller. Hot Dad. But wait, what does that mean? Because I want to play Deb real bad. Yeah. I mean... So what you're saying is...

Hi, ladies. We all want to be made. Oh, yeah. What was your favorite scene to shoot with Barbara, by the way? Do you have a favorite or like a great memory? Boosy, Dad. Boosy! Come on, boozy!

We need to reenact the scene. All the stuff when we were like fucking with each other was so fun. But I want to talk. talk about who I wanted to play. Who do you want to play? I wanted to play Keith's part. Really? Really?

And I got really upset when I found out like, what do you mean? I'm the bad guy. And they were like, no, no, you want to be the trust. I'm like, no, I want to be the cool guy that everybody wants to go to and talk to. Like, no, you don't. No, you don't. No, I do. I literally had those conversations.

Really? And then they said, just embrace it. Trust us. The storyline's going to go something you guys doing. Well, in real life, you're the guy, the cool guy that everybody goes to. Yeah. Oh, Tori, what about you? Who'd you want?

Who would you play? Jamie. I feel like we can stretch, you can stretch yourself a little bit more than that. Okay. That's an actress. What?

He's got a hot fan. He does have a hot mask. True. I am. No, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'd definitely be fun. Although, no, I don't want the cockroaches in my face, so I don't want to play you.

Never mind. That would have freaked me out. I don't know, really. I mean, all the characters seem so fun. You know what I mean? I don't know, but I like playing the villain. I kind of wouldn't trade her. Yeah.

Is that bad? Is that bad? Danny Carey. I wish he just, like, grazed you. So we could have had a redemption story, you know? I know, right? No, but that was a lot. I got slammed in the face.

Then I got, you know, with the champagne bottle, and then I came up again. And then I got shot. So it was like so many. So many. So dead. You had stopped. So dead. That cornfield.

Field was a night. Do you remember? It was hot and like. And then I'll never remember. I'll never forget. I had the TV on in the other room and I heard, um, from the soup that show the soup that used to be on it. I heard coming up, there's a crazy nanny in town that just won't die.

And I was like, oh. Oh my God. And it was me like this running through the cornfields with a syringe. And I was like, oh no. You made it, baby. Made it, baby. Oh, thank you so much. That's also.

Thank you. Remember the opening to the show when they. had all of us all glossy, and they glossed that out like that. Do you remember the original opening to One Tree Hill? Yes, we all had the fade down away, like soft fade. Yeah, we have it. Fuzzy. Oh, God.

Instagram does that now. Yeah. Hard pass. You know, spark a filter. Spark or filter. Whatever. What's our next question? Our next question is from Danny.

Hi, Danny. Hi, Danny. Hi. What's up? Hi. How are you? I mean, great. Good.

Here are my wife, Tara, 10-year wedding anniversary. Happy anniversary. Hey, there she is. There she is. Hi. Real quick, I'm in production accounting. We got engaged, obviously, over 10 years ago. I got a phone call to do a job.

What? No. Iron Man 3. What? Oh, yeah. Yep. Vixie Grill, all that stuff. Oh, hell yeah.

Oh, the best. And I basically told her, I'm like, hey, I got a job offer. and she's like, oh, no. I'm like, we have to leave, and she's like, oh, no. I'm like, it's for Iron Man 3. She's like, where is it? Wilmington, North Carolina, she's like, let's go. Done.

Yes. Yeah. Where's my per diem, dude? We're working on it. You're Asian as it. So my question is, with the craziness of the industry and the work, and how do you balance work relationships with family relationships? great question

yeah I mean our families all know each other yeah they do our families also just you sign up for the circus you know that's what we do so I think that's a part of it you have to sort of know what you're getting

into we're raising kids in an environment where it's the location of their where they're going to grow up isn't always going to be stable our presence is you know in and out but like for example my daughter who's 11

it's hard for her when I go away from shooting a movie, you know, three weeks at a time or like this, even just seven days. But she knows that when I'm home, she actually gets me for a lot more time than like most kids whose parents are working nine to five jobs because I'm home all day. And especially even during the pandemic, I was with her all day. Well, I guess everybody was with their kids all day, so never mind. Forget I said that. That was a stupid thing to say. But you know what I mean? Yeah. So there is going to be an element of unpredictability with your schedule. and I think, I don't know, for me,

it's just a matter of kind of knowing what you're in for. Yeah. Honestly, like, we've known Maria her entire life. Yeah, she knows you guys. You guys have known my kids their entire life.

When George was like, my daughter, when she was like three months old, Paul was in town filming and like held her and rocked her at a restaurant, you know? And so you make your work family, your family family.

And it's so nice. And my husband got a, home from work the other day when we finished our New York shows and took a nap and when he woke up Robert Buckley's on the couch and he was like, hi my man, how are you? You know, like, that's a weird thing to wake up to but when you marry a one tree

hiller, you have to understand that's right. When you wake up, there will be another one tree hiller in your hall. That's just it. Yeah. My husband texted me earlier and was like, how are your wives? And I was like, see, he knows. He knows.

Great. And this is why it works. That's right. I mean, you're raising a son who is the same age as my daughter. What's it like balancing that out when you have to go away on location and things? I have a son. Shoot.

Nobody told me. Yeah. Well, my son's like, go. You know? See when you come back. He's not clingy at all. I don't know. He misses you and you're not there.

He does because he doesn't have to do his homework. But, you know, he's not, he's not, you know, I love that. I love independence. But I think that's part of it. Our kids are growing up with a sense of independence in that way, you know. They're learning how to work it. That's what they're learning how to do. They're like, oh, you were out of town so I couldn't possibly do my homework.

It's probably why so many kids go into showbiss who have parents who are in showbiz. But the relationships different, I'm done. But like the boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife is different than the kids thing. That's a totally different animal to handle because you need to be connected. I also think it's really, look, everybody has a complicated life. We don't, it's not like the 20s anymore where people lived where they grew up and married, everybody married somebody from high school and whatever. It's like we are the most mobile, digitally connected global generation in history, right? and that's not unique to our industry.

I think what can be tricky about our industry is they don't care what your life is, and you know that. You get a job and you have to go. And if you can't go or don't want to go, there's a thousand other people who want your job. And I think what becomes incredibly important, but I believe this to be universally true, is that you have to cultivate a community

that sees you and roots for you so that when you're gone and you're on a night shoot at some location that's only available on a Saturday, so you're missing somebody's wedding or a holiday or a birthday, which if you want to be a working actor, is going to be your life,

your friends are proud of you, and they will make themselves available when you're home. And you also become, as we all are, people who really learn how to travel well. I am a professional

traveler. Yeah. Because if something is happening, I will pretzel myself to be there. Yeah. And we do that for each other now. And people who don't like it, don't like really sick. You're on a road trip right now. You're on a journey. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, always. We're very transient people. We just go, go, go, you know? So you get good at communicating and you show up when you can and then you find people who look at you and say that that's enough. And that's the only way it works.

Yeah, and then you just make the sacrifices that you need to make. Sometimes you turn the job down because your kid needs you to be home, so you just do it, you know. But it's a case-by-case basis. Hey, thanks for working in the business. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome to the circus. Yes.

Hey, what's our next question? I see someone rocking a baby back there. Hold on. Do we have a baby? Oh, hi, buddy. Hi, baby. Can you pass that person the microphone? I thought you were going to say, can you pass that baby up here?

I would really like to know what's going on. Is that the youngest one, Tree Hill fan? Yeah, he's 10 months. Oh, my God. What is this baby's name? Caden. Hi, Caden. Is he Team Brooke or Team Peyton?

He better be Team Queens. I mean. T-da. Who are you here with, and why are you rocking a baby? Just me and him. Yeah? Really? Are you a One Tree Hill fan?

Yeah, I'm a big fan. Are you? Who makes your name, Kaden's dad? What? You guys his jersey on and everything. Who's your favorite actor on the show? I like all of you, but... I like Nathan.

We do, too. So do I. We do too. Yeah, well, we appreciate you being here, and we've brought our kids to set over the years, and so I just saw you rocking a baby back there, and I wanted to let you know that we appreciate that you're bringing in a new generation.

Thank you. Thank you. Good call. Sorry to put you on the spot. Who do we have next? Who I don't have to put on the spot? Our last question of the night is going to be from Jamie and Andrea.

Hi, girls. Hi, ladies. Hi. Hi. I'm the Andrea part of Jamie Andrea. We have two questions. So the first one is I was listening to the podcast on my way home from work last night.

It was like 1145, so I don't know if I hallucinated. But did you guys want us to dress up like villains? Yes! We did! Thank you. I thought we were all alone. So I scrambled last minute for a costume and we dressed out. Is this descendants?

What villains are you? No, we just came as Wednesday. Wednesday. Okay, can I tell you that I saw you earlier in the show and I was like, there's Catholic school girls here? Or, or no. I can't tell. So I'm from Lancaster, and I was like,

they're going to think we're Amish. Yes. So we were either like, they're going to think we're Amish or Catholic girls. Yeah. Wednesday, Adams. I'm so glad you got the mic. Thank you.

Yeah. But our real question is, so girl to girl, doesn't have to be yours, but what was your favorite kiss on the show? Kiss? That's a juicy question. Did you say girl to girl? I love it.

You mean, other than when I can. Hillary? That could be it. That could be your favorite. Oh, man. I feel like I kissed everyone, yeah. I'm trying to think of, like, big, epic kisses. I mean, who had big, epic...

Oh, you had, like, a kiss that was so epic that the song kept coming back for, like, nine seasons. What was that song? Why does it feel familiar? I don't know. It's like I like like I bet you can't Stay still Like I'm saying yeah

What now? But by the way You guys had like a dozen epic kisses We did, we did I have two favorite kisses For two different reasons Between Nathan and Haley There were other kisses on the show

That were fun I think Even though Karen and Keith We've talked about We were like oh we debated about the chemistry And all that but the first time They ever kissed was it was magical to me. I was like, wow, this is finally happening.

Oh, my gosh. But Nathan and Haley's first kiss ever, of course, which was like a nightmare to shoot because the rain was like pelting into our eyes and it was all fake rain and so it was just like cold and my hair

was a mess and like James was still 17 I think or maybe he had just turned 18 and so I was a little bit like, is this okay? Well, and he's so tall. that you had to look up into the rain towers and just be blinded. Yeah, so

everything I'm saying, I'm just like, blinking. And we, you know, we just sort of like mashed our faces together and hoped that we, like, found each other because we couldn't really open our eyes in the rain, so I was like, I really hope we'd land this. It was just awkward and weird, but it looked so good when it finally happened.

I was like, Bada-da-da-da-ha! You know, it was there. and then there was one and I think it's season seven maybe I don't know why I think seven but we're making out it's like dream sequence and we're in the kitchen it starts raining in the kitchen

is that seven? I don't know how it looked but we were drinking moonshine and it was really fun it was a fun that does sound fun okay it was a long day

Hey, somebody busted out one of those little water bottles full of moonshine, and we were like, we're going to be here all night. Let's make it on moonshine. It's acting. It's method. Don't make it weird. My favorite was the state championship with Pade and Lucas. Listen.

Yes. And Chad and I felt so much pressure because there was like a thousand extras. We were told we're going to shoot confetti. We get one take. There's a crane shot. and it literally was scripted as the best kiss ever. It was scripted as best, period. Kiss, period, ever, period.

And we're like, one take? Okay. No, we're going to do it. We're going to go for it. And, you know, we were buddies, and there were no, like, feelings like that in real life. But I'm going to tell you, that kiss was like, hey boss, great job.

You're good at work. Yeah, that kiss was fun. That was a winner. What was your winner? I mean, it's very funny because when you started talking about when it works, because sometimes you don't know if you're going to have chemistry with, like, one of your friends or... It's a stranger. Half the time, a stranger.

And I was like, yeah, it's cool when it works. And then immediately I flashed to the person who will forever remain. Nameless who bit me the first time we kissed on our show. And I was like, oh, this is not working, and I'm going to punch you in the face. That was not my favorite at all. Maybe the most memorable, though. You know what felt really sweet was, yes. Was that Army Hammer, by the way?

Stop! Oh, my God. No cannibal Joe. Don't ruin my sweet moment. He's a villain's night, though. We did, well, anyway. He's a bad guy. It was what I liked.

about it was that it wasn't scripted to be this way, but in later seasons when Brooke and Julian are together and they've gone through it was so good and they've gone through this whole struggle to figure out whether or not

they're going to have a family and then they finally get pregnant and I'd been hearing from so many women who were struggling with similar, you know, obviously unique but similar experiences in their lives and I was just like, God, this is like, this is big, and I'd had friends who'd gone through it.

And when we shot the scene where, you know, I'm in, I think I'm in like a red dress or something. Right? It's like red with white. Right? Okay. And, um. We only know our work by our hairstyles.

Yeah. I'm like, I remember the dress. And, you know, Brooke looks at Julian and tells him that they're pregnant. And it felt so important to me, knowing, like, who I was carrying into the scene with me that I started crying and then Austin started crying and we were both just like sobbing and we kissed each other and we were like, what the fuck

was that? But it was like so, it was like so special because we felt like we were really honoring people and I saw it on screen and I was like, it hits it's really sweet. I like it so much.

Did you kiss anyone other than Nathan? Are you going to say Nathan right now because she'll fight you. Well, here's the thing. I remember that hair pole. I'm not coming near her, okay? I like my hair staying on my head. Thank you very much. No, I mean, I can't say, Nathan, because that was not a consensual kiss.

I forced myself upon him. This is 22. God bless you. The consent is important. The consent is very important, and Nanny Carey did not adhere to that, so. Yeah. Yeah, we're learning. Dan, we're going to end with you.

Yeah. Who is Dan Scott's favorite kiss? Why do you guys? No, listen, don't you fear pressure him. You shush right now. I'm feeling very pressured right now. Well, let me just say, this seems to be very important to you guys to get it right. Listen, they've gone through those tall boys of white claw and they have opinions.

I have a, I had a big, um, a tower. filled with ice in it in my dressing room waiting for me when I got back and I had held it against my head and I was holding it and it was just to keep the swelling down because I had just done maybe one of my favorite moments ever in acting. It was a flashback to a dream sequence issue kind of thing where I was a villain in the old days in the 1940s and I lean in And I gave, and I did a lot of research on the person I was going to work with in this scene. I did a lot of research.

It's been years fantasizing about this. Tell us more, Paul. Wow. So I had, like, you know, little do you know, that in my, at home in my bedroom are millions of her soap opera pictures of her from her soap opera days. He's leaning into villain. He's not hard. And anyway, it was joy. Joy.

And she, no, we did five takes. We got it in the first one, but she needed another take. But after every kiss, there was this method actor that decided that a full slap across the face was needed. You kept telling me to do it. He was like, I can take it. Do I look like a cissy? Come on, I can take it.

Go ahead, hit me, hit me. You call that a kiss? Anyway, yeah, anyway, it was. That's how you talk in my mind, apparently. It was joy, it was joy. But I will tell you, I really did, I really did feel that they didn't really write. Karen and I never had a real kiss. I kissed her once in, like, because of the aggressive Dan thing.

Oh, that was awful. But there was no real kiss. But Deb and I didn't even really, they didn't really write for me in a way that ever gave me that opportunity to kind of explore. Why did she marry Dan? Why did Deb marry Dan? It was never put out there to go, there's a side of him that they fell in love with. so I wish that they would have kind of covered a little bit of like because even people that break your heart or hurt you whatever

there's a reason you're with them right and I wanted to explore that as an actor as a character I didn't really get that opportunity I'm not putting anybody down it's a complicated show with lots of characters and wasn't really time but I think it would have been interesting to see why they fell in love with him oh I love that you guys are rooting for that you're just like toxic give me more I love Love it. You know what's surprising?

How come Dan never had like a little girlfriend? Yeah. Well. How did it? Rachel. I had lots of them. Rachel. I had lots of them.

I got out of jail and I had a little girlfriend in the hotel. I got, I married Rachel. You know, there was a lot. I had a lot of them on the sides. Hey. Hey. Yeah, a little side nuggy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I never kissed Rachel. What? We never had a kiss on the show. No. Wow. No. Yeah, they really never let Dan explore a romantic side. not really he should have had like a girlfriend named Kimberly who was 26 and like pissed

Deb and Moira off you know like that would have been a fun storyline you know I want the Twin Peaks experience where in an alternate universe Dan Scott is a hopeless romantic yeah right the spin-off well in heaven I guess because I'm dead you're so dead it has to be the spinoff has to be all the ghosts like you guys are somewhere in the afterlife amazing ghosts you end up with Danny Carey she's like Actually, everything you want to. I love it. Oh, Philly.

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