Drama Queens - Love is in the Air • EP 815

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

The Drama Queens dive into a Valentine’s-themed episode of One Tree Hill. Joy texts Gavin DeGraw to find out how he really feels about performing the OTH theme song, while Rob shares his dislike for both the song and Valentine’s Day. Sophia opens up about filming her character’s bold scenes, and Joy reveals her favorite candy—and why she needed a spit bucket. Plus, the group debates Clay’s big romantic gesture. Too sweet or too much?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're talking about the theme song of our show and wondering whether or not Gavin loves performing it out or if he's just like totally burnt out on it. I desperately need the YouTube audience or I just need everyone to tune into YouTube so they can catch Joy doing her makeup while we're like you are bringing multitasking to a whole new level. My nasty paint covered nails is like this is so gross. All week long I've been like reaching for things and I have. My nails are covered in house paint from painting sets. So I keep reaching for things or like eating at restaurants and people are just looking at staring at me, my dinner companion. Anyone who's going to turn their nose up at you having paint on your nails? It's a second glance.

I don't know. I think it's worth a second glance. They look pretty nasty. I don't know about that. Maybe it's just internal. Let's go back to the thing about does a musician just get tired of singing? singing the same song over and over. I mean, think if every day when you showed up to work as an actor, you had to perform the same scene.

Yeah. Or the same monologue. Yeah. Greatest hits. Like Lawrence Olivier always had to do poor Horatio. Like, you know, like the greatest hits of every actor, if they did concerts, they would just have to run through their repertoire every time. I think it would be especially tough if you really only had one big hit. Because I think it would be this thing where, like, you would come to resent it.

I think if you had a catalog, it would be different. But I think if you had one thing. And as soon as you started playing anything else, everyone was like, play the other one. Right. You'd probably wish you weren't there. Yeah, it's like if you're the Rolling Stones and every song's a hit, you're having a great time. Yeah. Yeah.

But if everyone only knows one, I don't know. I mean, I really wonder how Gavin feels about it, because even what we were talking about, I think before we started recording. So for our friends at home, we were discussing, like, what our experience is when we're out in public and the song comes on. Essentially, we all feel like we're getting punked. It's like, there's nothing like walking down an aisle in the grocery store and being like, wait a second.

Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, no. Everyone's looking at me. There's nowhere to hide. There's no corners. And you're like, where do I go? This is so awkward.

And it is really, you know, because people kind of look and are like, and you're like, I know, I don't know what to say. You're just like, oh, you don't know what to do with my body right now. And I wonder, I don't know, I wonder what the experience is like for him. Do you think he loves 20 years of TV royalties? Or do you think he's like, God damn it, they ruined my best song? I don't know. I'm going to text him right now.

This is a voice text for Gavin. Okay. Hey, what's up? We're podcasting right now. And we, me, Sophia, and Rob all want to know if you love performing, I don't want to be, or if you are so tired of it after 20 years and you sort of resent it. This is our question. Okay, coming back.

I hope you're great. This is peak podcasting. Incredible. Listening to Joyce and voice notes. Just to fully pull back the curtain to the audience, what we were talking about right before we started recording, I opened this conversation with saying that I cannot stand our show's theme song. Now, let me say this. Please don't hear what I'm not saying. I love our show.

And that is not me coming for Gavin. I have just heard it so many times and I have had such a weird relationship with the show itself that the theme song I think kind of. kind of took the brunt of that. So it's a trigger. Unfortunately, it has been stuck in my head for like the last day and a half. So I found myself walking around this morning being like, if I never hear that song again, I will be so grateful. Because it's just been pinging around in your brain.

Oh my gosh. And I don't even know all the words. I know like two lines and then the rest I know just like bits and pieces, which makes it even worse. You have the guitar riff. Yes. And you're like, no, and I'm like, oh, come on, anything but this. That is so funny.

Do you know the happy birthday trick? What's that? There's something about the, I don't know if it's the melody or the notes or whatever, about happy birthday that supposedly, if you have a song stuck in your head and then you sing happy birthday to yourself, it'll be gone. But happy birthday doesn't stick. It's the backup song. That is, Hotel California also works for that.

Really? Yes. Oh, I feel like that would get stuck in my head. I loved the eagles. Really? No, it's like it's not catchy enough because all the notes are sort of a lot of the chords are more dissonant and more sharps and flats. I mean, I'm not a composer. I don't know how to read music, but I know the tone.

And it always, I don't know. It always works for me. I was like, hold the phone. You do write music. No, I do. I can't read music so I don't know how to write chords or like speak the music. language of chords, but I can tell you that it does work. Interesting.

I was also, in a way, I deserve this because I have had shares, do you believe, in life after love stuck in my head for about a week and a half now. And I was complaining, we have a rule in our house where if Jenny or I have a song stuck in our head, we're not allowed to sing it or tell the other person of them. Because they are highly contagious. So you just have to suffer in silence. And so for the last week and a half, I've just been. And do you believe in my head?

And I'm just like, what did I do to deserve this? And then I got our theme song stuck in my head. And I was like, I could dig a deeper hole, it turns out. That was my rock bottom. Well. Welcome to the show, everybody. Now you're here to talk about it. And it's Valentine's Day, everyone.

Yeah. All right. What do we have today? Season 8, episode 15, Valentine's Day is over, or as I like to call it, mid-season male wishfulfillment. Air date February 15th, 2011. Synopsis, sex games, secrets,

and shoelaces all come into play as the couples of Tree Hill Celebrate Valentine's Day. Directed by Paul Johansson. He did such a great job with this episode. I knew the second that I saw the Nathan and Haley bathroom scene of us brushing our teeth and like talking

and all the choreography of that, I knew that Paul had directed this episode because I had forgotten about that, but that scene we worked we worked really hard on that because it was just one shot so we had extra rehearsal time and uh he he had a lot of fun with this episode i think he really um brought a lot of fun ideas yeah it it was very sweet and the shooting over you too but getting your coverage in the mirror and the choreography of long time married couple swapping mouthwash and talking about is it a blackhead? Is it a rash? I was like, oh my God. It just was so, I don't know, it was fun and

really charming. And I felt like so much of the episode managed to be charming, which felt really nice, given Rob's point about the amount of wish fulfillment, you know? Like when you have grownups writing sex game scripts you're like but it was it was charming and I really cherish that at least for myself and Austin we had Paul directing this with us because he knew how to instead of leaning in and making things gratuitous and kind of gross we really ramped up on the wardrobe the comedy but then we went so comedic and it got to be so goofy and so physical and I just remember how much fun we had with it and yeah it felt um it sort of felt like the best outcome and I felt incredibly protected with those two and it all really did I mean most

of it anyway really did make me laugh I enjoyed watching this one yeah that must you for sure win MVP by MVP I mean most valuable and most vulnerable player um here's what I will say is I As soon as the episode opened, I remembered this. I was just like, oh, buddy. Okay. So starting her paycheck this week. But I will say, I also noticed that it was just you and Austin in the same location. And I went, okay, listen, the work is work this week.

But she was done in like two days. Yeah. So you had a nice break. So at least I feel like you got a reward for going through this. Yeah, totally. I remember getting this, when we get the script and you go, oh my God, am I about to win the schedule lottery? And then I remember when the day out of days came out. And I was like, I'm going home. And I got to go home for like a whole week. And it was so nice. That's so great.

It was so fun. I actually wondered when you got the script, how do you handle that? Because obviously, that would have been really kind of upsetting to read all that at first. I'm assuming. But then knowing Paul was directing, is it just like, did you have a panic or were you just like, I'm just going to go talk to Paul and we'll figure this out. It's fine. I don't totally remember, to be honest. What I remember, I always felt better when Paul was directing, of course. I remember, honestly, being like, oh, cool, Rob and Chantal get to watch City in color in their clothes. And I have to do this. And I was like, also because I was bummed because I knew I was going to go home with my

you know five days off and so I couldn't like sneak to set and hang for the show but yeah I know that I was excited not excited I know that I was what's the word I'm looking for comforted I guess

knowing Paul was going to be directing and what I love about Paul you know when he does the this and he like gives you the look and he kind of has his he has his little clothes mouth laugh where he goes that's right i remember going to find him and he goes did you read it and i was like oh you know and and what i loved about it is i knew he already had thoughts and we really talked about the you know our great favorite comedic women and he was like we'll figure out

all your all your moments you know you'll have sophia loren moments you'll have lucile ball moments and i was like, that sounds amazing. And then the thing that I knew I needed to figure out was wardrobe, because everything was written, like lingerie, lingerie, lingerie. And so Carol and I were like, okay, well, if we have to do, you know, the French maid thing, will really make it feel beautiful and like Bridget Bardotie in 60s and we'll put you in tights. And then, you know, for the pizza thing, it was like, okay, well, let's do this full bodysuit moment. So I didn't have to feel like I was supposed to be completely exposed. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, it was a lot of underwear, but like. She felt more costuming than underwear. Yeah, it felt more costuming. And I didn't have to prance around with like my ass cheeks out. You know, I was essentially wearing like a red one piece bathing suit. and then like had a robe off and then right back on and the robe served for comedy and so so much of it actually was so funny even the French made costume we like tripled up the little petticoats so when

when Austin spun me around it did like a full twirl and like that stuff felt really fun and I think those things are cool when you're when you have a team that's going to support you to make you as comfortable as possible, because our boss made so many of us. I mean, all of us uncomfortable in our own ways and in our own moments. And so knowing what was written on the page and then knowing what we got to do, I was like, Paul's a G, Carol's a G. Our team is great. It actually served a great purpose, too, because once the audience gets the information mentally, oh, this is not going to be a T&S show for me, they could just focus on you guys and your performances and that's really what shone through shone shined was shining i don't know that's what

was shining through was the two of you because you had so much fun with it and it wasn't just the same thing over and over again you really got to experiment and play and yeah it was great it's really fun yeah we did it was really fun sometimes the the beauty pageant hijacks a scene right and in this case and i should say like the the skin show not just like the but like so it never happened though with you guys it was like you were wearing something beautiful but the comedy and the story was still the focal point for example a scene where that wasn't successful was the opener when you're in the kitchen and austin walks out with his pants so low i know standards and practices was like oh my god to the point that i uh i called jenny and through him and i was like

excuse me have you ever seen a lower pair of pants in your life and she was like excuse and she was like excuse me yeah you every time you've been shirtless on camera and I was like oh my bad but it was just like for example so that when that happened like I stopped hearing dialogue and was just like my lord oh did I just get pregnant what happened and that never happened with any of the sex game stuff but in that opening scene I was like this is what it's become all i'm doing is just staring at austin's bear tortu yeah yeah he was a good sport he was he was he was doing an ab show for everybody for much of the episode also fair considering that every role playing it was him and like bear like him dressed basically every single time in normal clothes and you so it was it's it was a good

team play that he was like i will gladly do this one wildly gratuitous dangerously low-pants scene in exchange for your eight different fantasy dress-ups. I also, I remember, I remembered a lot of them when it started. I was like, oh, right, I know what we're doing. This is the, you know, Valentine's Day at home, whole roleplay day. And then we got to the babysitter one, and I was like, ew, ick. I hate this. I hate this.

this is so icky yuck and then i literally wrote down thank god we were the same age thank god we called it creepy and then i go oh oh but then we switch it and now i'm a creep okay yeah yeah i was like this is the one that just i was like maybe we could have thrown in the towel on that and been like never mind never mind and left it there instead of putting him in the schoolboy position but whatever he looked cute in his letterman jacket i moved on It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Does anyone actually eat those heart candies? No. I love them. What? I love the purple ones. I love the orange ones.

Sometimes I like the pink ones They're a little peptobizmali, but I like them So they actually have different flavors They're not just different colors Oh, I love them Learn something new every day You guys don't eat those? Absolutely not

It's the same reason I don't eat the packing peanuts When I open a box There you go I was going to say they're chalky But Rob really Illustrated the point I'm shocked I'm shocked

You know what That also makes sense so because in the scene, Haley reaches across and takes a handful and slugs about half of it in one go. So that was clearly, that was a joy choice that just happened to work for Haley being great. Oh, yeah. I was so excited about eating those.

You have to be careful when you eat. Ho-hows, I do not like. And so that was definitely something we had to have a little spit bucket on the side for me. Okay. Let's talk about that because I have a question. So we're going to, let's just jump to that end scene real quick. You and James, are laying in a bed, you take a bite of the ho-ho.

I was very aware of this because I was waiting for where's the cut for the spit take or the spit bucket, but you take a bite, you chew, you talk, and then you start kissing. So my question is, if there was a spit bucket, how did that work? I don't know. I mean, they shoot from different angles. That wasn't the only, I don't think that was the only shot. Go back and watch it, sister.

They live in that shot from the bite, the chew, the top. and the kiss. You were giving a kiss with some ho-ho in your mouth. That's weird. I was. Maybe you took a teeny tiny bite. Maybe I just am remembering a spit-bucket and there wasn't one.

But I don't like ho-hoes. So I don't know. Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn. I thought there was one, but maybe not. Maybe I just had to stomach it. Maybe we only shot it like twice. Because I don't like ho-hose. Yeah.

Nah. Well, by the way, I wouldn't surprise me if Paul was like, I think I might want this in one shot. Can you do a take without this big bucket? And you were like, I can. Oh, well, it would have been there for after, for after the, when they, when they, because they ended, he ended the episode by slowing the kiss down and then went to black. So that would have been what it was that I would have spit it out after he said cut. Sexy.

Yes, it was more just the logistics of having a chewed up hoho in your mouth while you kiss names and then cut and then you. Well, I kept my lips closed, you know. I mean, yeah. Yep. Listen, you go all in on your craft, okay? That's what I love. You're brave, you're fearless. You eat the ho-ho, you chew it up, and then you open mouth kiss.

God, gross. Can you imagine? Not everyone to do it. How about Haley in her house in lubitons, or that's the implication anyway with the painted bottom of the shoe, she's in high heels, climbing on ladders? I wrote this down. And talking about how everything is swollen, including her. Like, she's so uncomfortable, but she's in stilettos.

Yeah, that was weird. That was a weird situation. I wonder why. And on the stepstool and like running around the house, it was, it's so interesting to me that they always wanted us in such high heels. Yeah. I don't know. It felt for a moment like I was watching a cautionary ticket. Yes.

Like a pregnant woman on a step ladder in high heels. Like, what are we, how many hats on a hat do we mean? Yeah. Well, they did it to you in this episode, and then they do it to me at the end of the season. Exactly that. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I remember being, I remember when it was my turn being like, who would do this? And I was actually pregnant.

Yes. Climbing on these stepstools in high heels. Again, fearless, joy, what you do for your art. Maybe it was all those little sweethearts. You got hopped up on sugar. That's what it was. And you felt like a superhero. Give me the high heels.

I did love the sort of opening juxtaposition of the three couples. I guess four couples. But I noticed that specifically the transition from Clay and Quinn having hot shower, whoopee, to then going to Haley and Nathan brushing teeth. What's this spot on my back? Gargling. I love you. Love you too, Pat on the back. I was like, that's perfect.

It was very funny. Great depiction. Yeah, I loved it. And it was, the line was Valentine's Day is hot. And then they cut to Nathan with the nose clippers in his nose. Yeah, trimming his nose hairs. I enjoyed watching Julian attempt accents for the different characters. Like, he definitely put one on for Thor.

Yep. And then for the next one, the French made one, it seemed like it was just kind of dipping his toe in the accent pool here and there. Which was so perfectly Julian. It felt very right. you know, that he wouldn't have like an accent down. He would just sort of be like, I'm going to give it a shot. I'm game for this.

You know, he's a director. He's not an actor. I liked his, you know, Jersey Boys adjacent vibe as the handyman. It was very cute. And then, my God, when he walks in in the suit and the glasses, I was like, he looks like Clark Kent. Oh, totally. Like, why did Austin never audition for Superman? Maybe he did.

Maybe. maybe they saw this episode and they thought just it's too much sex too much just yeah sex pylon do you remember that name what I told you I worked with a director who did an episode of our show and I guess it was one of the ones introducing Austin's character and he was like yeah he was it was when he was the new sex pylon on the show and I was like I have never heard a funnier name sex pylon sex pylon incredible when you come in wearing pants that low you've earned it shoe fits You've earned it.

Listen. We. We. Oh, yeah. I loved the Haley finding this necklace, which bless it. It looks like it was purchased at a drugstore. And she opens it and she's like, oh, and then Quinn goes, oh, I wanted that. I was like.

Neither of you wanted that. No. You liars, you actually have good taste. You dress well on the show. No one wants a giant heart necklace. Unless it's coming from like, Jamie. Yeah, sure. Wonderful.

But come on, gang. Could we not find a little smaller? Just a little something. It just really needed to read on camera, but the full palm size was too big. This tells me, Rob, that you are probably an excellent Valentine's Day gift giver, no? Ooh, I like where this is going. Right? Well.

Ooh, the answer is yes. Look how proud he is. No, it's yes and no, right? Not anymore because I have always had it, much like Clay, I have a beef with Valentine's Day. Interesting. Because I don't need one holiday to be designated for like, this is when you should be romantic. Valentine's Day to me is as unromantic as when you're at a restaurant and the person walks by with a basket of roses and goes, would you like a rose for the lady? it's like there has never been a lazier expression of romance than when a guy goes yeah here's a 10 spot here you go no it's very weird so the same thing it just feels contrived and so no like I don't we don't even like really acknowledge it anymore but when I was dating yeah then I would put on a show but I always resented the fact that I felt like it's pressure it's like there's some sort of arbitrary pressure created by everything around you you're like why is this

Why does this exist? There's no reason for it. Well, it's literally the death gargle of late stage capitalism. They're like, hey. Please put that on a t-shirt. As if we didn't get you to spend enough money just before New Year's, now you need a whole other holiday and it's about jewelry. Like, come on.

Death, I'm writing this down. Death gargle. It's the death gargle. Late stage. Isn't it the death rattle? It is a rattle. Thank you, Rob. Death rattle is what it actually is.

That's an actual sound the body makes. I know the phrase, but like the gargle is just such good. It's just what came out. It's so brilliant. See, sometimes my dyslexia is cute. I'm like, what's the word? I'm close enough. I agree, though, because to me it's like, I hopefully in the other 364 days,

I do a good job of letting you know how I feel about you. and all of that. And so if I suddenly need one day to then like do what I've already been told it, it's just, no. Yeah, it's immediate. It's like somebody telling you to sit down when you were about to sit down anyway. You're like, I'm not doing this for you. You know what I like?

Here's my Valentine's highlight. It's actually Chuck's storyline. I mean, the sadness of, you know, his mother dealing with addiction. aside. I think Valentine's Day, the way I like to do it, and I agree with you, Rob. Maybe it's like when you actually are happy or settled or whatever word you want to use, you're not in the weird courting phase. You're not trying to keep up with anything. Like, Valentine's Day for me, I want a handmade card. Like, I just want a letter. Yeah. That's how I want to acknowledge the day is to acknowledge something real and, like, sweet and special.

You know, I think Valentine's Day is so cute for kids. How sweet to get Valentine's from, you know, your little nuggets, help them make cards and whatever. But it's like, yeah, the big show out there, it bugs me too, man. We're all Clay, okay? We're all Clay. This is one I think Clay got very right. Except that Clay covers Trick is apparently a full event. It's like Michael's exploded in Drake.

Also, that time cut is the amount of work that Chase and Chuck apparently did in like 90 minutes. Yes. By the way, the two days we shot all those Brooke and Julian scenes on stage, set deck was dressing Trek. The two days, the full days. Like two full days of load in and supposedly 90 minutes. Listen, we just decorated a school, a venue for a school dance, an eighth grade school dance. an eighth grade school dance, and it required sheets of, you know, tinsel that like hangs with all the ribony strips and, you know, other random sort of little decorations, but that stuff takes a really

long time to hang, and we had a whole team, like a whole team of moms. You know, this stuff does not just get put up by Chuck and Chase. Yeah, Chase and an eight-year-old did that in 90 minutes flat? Absolutely not. No. Also, it's so funny that you, you manage to get your person's favorite band to do a private show. And then you go, but you know what? It's not quite enough. What if I got $400 of shoddy decorations from Michaels and hung it up everywhere? Yep. That'll do it. Yeah. Not just the candelabras, but make sure you have the spinning multi-cuttout hearts hanging from the ceiling. Like the shot on Matt? I was like, why do we need this? He's up there singing. It's so beautiful. Leave it. Yeah. It's just missing one thing. Oh, you know what? Yeah, a creepy nine-year-old waiter.

Yeah, that's really going to hammer it home. But she doesn't know. Has she ever met Chuck? No. She doesn't know Chuck. I don't think I know Chuck or Clay knows Chuck for that. I don't think so either. I doubt it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. here's my question what is the um what's the scrooge character for valentine's day is there one it's us what's it called like scrooge hates christmas bah humbug what's the what's the

scrooge of i see through you valentine's day i don't know but that's a great idea for We got to come up. It is actually is. Add this to our list, guys. Writing it down. She's literally writing it down, guys. I am typing it. I remember City and Color performing for us.

And that was special. That was one of those memories that I just, and I didn't know who they were or who he was prior. And Chantel did. And I remember her saying, like, dude. This is a big deal. He's so, he's so good. And then sitting there and being like, this is fantastic. It's really major.

Our show did that so well. Like, we would have these moments where you could just tell, I mean, they set it up so well with the cameras and the stages. And you could just tell somebody is such a star. They just step up there with their instrument and start singing. And everything else falls away. All the ridiculousness, all the other things that we joke about and, you know, make fun of lovingly about our show. falls away and you're watching a very real talent do what they do. It's wonderful. And even though he had no lines, there was a wonderful moment that grounded the whole thing

where in between songs, I think, there's a moment of Clay and Quinn kissing and the camera kind of pans up and you see him just standing it. Because the truth is, that would be so awkward performing for two people. And I'm so glad that we took a moment to acknowledge that. That is a very weird dynamic and he kind of gives that look like I guess I'll keep saying it was very funny especially because he has no band you know it's an acoustic performance so it's like he doesn't have anyone he can look at while you two are making out to have he's just kind of like so do I go or more of this I love that Paul noticed and put that in because it easily could have just been skipped over but He was like, no, you're in the scene.

What would you? How would you be reacting? Exactly. Thank you for being an actor and knowing what's going on in the scene. I will say, I loved, I agree with you. So the heart of this episode was Chuck and Chase. Yes. Their stuff was great.

And Mouth and Millie. Oh, yes. Both those storylines were like real highlights for me. They were so fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Give me all the Lisa Gold. She's just so lovable and like,

and fun to watch and her and Lee are so great together but the Chuck and Chase of it I really liked because I thought Michael did such a wonderful job with how he played

the disappointment about his dad like when he he has that line when I think Chase says like when was last time you saw your dad he says he kind of throws it away

like two years not that long I was like oh he didn't lean into it You know, and then the fact that he circles back at the very end of the day and chase his car and goes, two years is a long time, huh? It's like, he knows he's just trying to tell himself a different story about it, you know? But their whole dynamic was so great. And then that reveal of, I mean, behind the scenes, Michael May does love showtunes and he does musical. And he writes songs.

I mean, that song was a song that he was singing and showing off, like not showing off, but like he was. always wandering around singing and our creator and other writers on the show noticed and he was like, oh yeah, I got a new song and he started singing that one and was working on it and they were like, let's put it in the show. Wait, that's an original?

Yeah. Yeah, he wrote that. Oh, I already had my notes. I love that Michael is part of the music of One Tree Hill, but now knowing, I assumed it was from a play of some sort. So knowing that it's his, though, makes it so much better. I will say, it did make, I had one strong feeling,

I, this is a personal bugaboo of mine, I can't stand being sung to. Really? Like when someone sings and makes eye contact with me, I think it's because, I think it's because like dating when I was younger, like a lot of girls would like try to like sing. And I just hated the position it put me in. Like I felt like I was a prisoner because now I have to be like, oh yeah, wow, so good, that I just came to resent it. So watching Chase sit there and not know how to.

react and respond was so funny and also so triggering for me because I'm like that that is my nightmare oh just someone looking at his face was so brilliant so sincere I'm so glad they didn't do this this chase Chuck as a one-off you know that they really kept this mentorship love story I'm just I'm so here for it I love their dynamic but yes Chuck on stage jumping around and what is he oh that's what he says chase goes you know that punch in the stomach thing actually is kind of cool chuck's like I like show tunes actually that punch of the stomach thing is kind of cool why don't you make that your thing yeah I just want to protect you kid one thing I was confused about though is that two episodes ago chase and Mia had sex in the

wedding limo one episode ago Mia comes to the bar and she's like hey you see him off. Are we good? And he's like, yeah, we're good. I just have some stuff going on. Then this episode is Valentine's Day, and there's not a mention of her. Well, but he says to her, which I, and it bumped for me too. When she says, are we good? He said, yeah, you said the slutty wedding sex didn't mean anything. And I was like, huh. No, no, no, no. He said to her, uh, no, we said that We said. Didn't mean anything. And then she goes, no, you said that.

And I just went with it. Oh, oh, I didn't take detailed enough notes. Yeah, it's funny because I scrolled down on today's. And I'm like, no, I see it. And I'm like, oh, actually, you're very right. Yeah, I wonder what that is because we're not getting any explanation. Like, it could have been one line if Chuck just asked him. That's exactly it.

Yeah. I'm okay that all we saw was Chase and Chuck. because it's an awesome storyline for both of these guys and it's so cool to see them do different things than they usually do. It was just odd that, like you said, Joy, it's one line and you can address it and move on. So I thought that was great.

Yeah, it is really weird, especially if Chase is circling back to the sort of headspace he was in when Julian shows the girls the video at Thanksgiving, and he's like, I'm just going to focus on me, You know, I need to figure out my own life, whatever. Why not talk about it? Why not actually show the audience that that is continuing to run for him? It's weird.

It feels like a ball drop. Yeah. And if we're trying to make him like a boy, you know, it's just like, that's not a cool thing to do then. You know, to be like, I don't want it. Let's have sex. I don't want it. Yeah. There was one more thing I wanted to address about the reveal of the whole surprise Clay.

set up, right? So he somehow gets her favorite band. He gets trick all to himself. He has Michaels explode all over the bar. Obviously, a lot of time work went into this. They walk up to the table and he doesn't pull out Quinn's chair.

Why didn't you do that? Buddy, I don't know. Like, as as me, who I'm big on chivalry and I'm like, I don't. And then also just if you're going to track what the character's doing, What? I don't know how both me and Clay dropped the ball so hard, but I was shocked that we

walk up to the table. I don't even make an effort. I immediately go for mine and nine-year-old waiter Michael May pulls out Quinn's chair. Oh, that's why? Because they had set, you guys had set it up that Michael was going to pull out the chair. That has like an intro. That has to be it. But I don't, I don't even do the empty gesture. It's just, it really bothered me, man. Maybe you were spaced out for a minute when you guys were walking up, you know, like, you know how it goes. You're chit-chatting about something right before they say action and then you just walk into it and kind of, I mean, I think that happens to all of us. I also wonder if as a director, I would imagine Paul said, I want Michael May to pull the chair out for Chantelle. So I wonder if

by the third time you did it and that was actually the best tracking shot to get you guys to the table, you weren't even gesturing for it anymore. Also to Joy's point, I do have a very specific memory of trying my hardest to distract and break Stephen while he was talking to the two of us. So you were right. I was probably focusing all of my energy on how I could make Stephen laugh and distract him or make Chantelle laugh. Then I was actually the same, which is on brand. Yeah. That sounds about right. That sounds right. I love it. You know what I thought was very sweet too in their storyline. And you brought up part of it, the comment. conversation they have in the car, you know, when Chase drives Chuck home and they have that

beat and he acknowledges that two years is a long time. You start to kind of see underneath. I like that when he starts to, you know, be kind of a little shit again, there's just a pause and then he's self-correct and says, thank you. So great. And you're already starting to see just a little bit of a positive presence have an influence on a kid. I thought it was such a nice reminder and it was nice to have that acknowledgement even though it was wordless

between Chuck's mom and Chase because it's a pretty big reveal, right? You know, you assume he's been working all day and then you realize he's been checking on Chuck's mom. Yeah, that was a big one. It's a big woe for the audience. And to sort of see how that registered for her, I don't know, I thought it was a, I thought the whole, the whole bit of it, despite it not

actually being in terms of the verbiage, you know, really long or really wordy scenes, I thought the impact was really excellently driven home. Yeah, and it was a great way of getting a new insight into Chase's character. Yes. Because the amount of of class and grace that he had for her when she even tried to blame it on him and she was like, you think you're better than me. I was like, there's a version of which he says, yeah, this version of you, way better. But he never once shamed her. The look he gave her at the end wasn't like, hmm, you know, he was sweet about the whole thing. The one thing I kind of bumped on though is that when Chuck says two years is a long time, I want to chase to say yes.

I wanted Chase to kind of validate, as opposed I see what he's doing. He's trying to be like, no, buddy, it's not that bad. Like he's, but I also wanted him to go, yeah, you're right. What did he say? What Chuck is saying in that moment? Did he say anything? He said no. Oh, really?

He goes, no, it's fine. Oh. Yeah. No, he goes, he says two years is a long time, huh? And Chase says, it's not that long. And I wish Chase had said, yeah, because Chuck knows in his heart it's a long time. So it's like, this is your chance to like establish that with the kid. Validate what he's saying.

Yeah, man. It's a super long time. Yeah. That's wild. Whatever you're feeling is right. He just doesn't have the maturity and experience to know how to handle that. Like that's kind of what we do often in life. And somebody's struggling.

You just want to make them feel better. You know? Yeah. It's like, oh, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. And I think it takes a while life. experience to learn that that's actually not comforting. It's actually better to just acknowledge the hard thing.

Well, and by the way, we're able to see that now. But when you were saying that, Joy, I was like, oh, my God, I always forget that at this point in the show, our characters are like 25. Yeah. Yeah. When you think about that, Chase is actually doing an extraordinarily great job. Totally. Yeah, it's not fair for like 43-year-old parent me to be like,

there was a better than actually. It's like, yeah, I wouldn't have known better. Yeah, so no, he did a fantastic job. What's so great about not remembering what happens in the show is that I was genuinely caught off guard with the station calling mouth at the end of the episode. Me too. And I was like, wait a second, does she become Sunday? Yes. Isn't that crazy?

Oh my gosh. I know. Oh man. Wow. It's such a nice cliffhanger too because their whole storyline in the episode is so sweet and so thoughtful. Even the detail that when he gives her the gift, he says, well, I talk to Brooke and she says you like this. You know, that mouth went to figure out what she'd really want. instead of, you know, giving her some random something because it's Valentine's Day. I just think their relationship is so sweet, you know, him giving us a little peek behind the curtain about how they used to eat Chinese food together in New York and, you know, now they're eating that meal by candlelight and talking about how far they've come. And she says it's nice to be here.

And she means, you know, so much more than just in Tree Hill. It's like in this place and time with him. the whole buildup is just so sweet to have been through so much in their relationship and she's been through so much in her personal life and growth and then and then that moment at the end it's such a good cliffhanger because you go uh-oh like are they still going to like to be here or is this going to cause a problem yeah because you know mouth he's so supportive and kind and generous and you know he's what else is he going to do but say that's great congratulations but you know that's going to kill you him inside maybe maybe his dramatic weight gain that is coming up is from all the humble pie he's being forcing because this guy has taken one hit after another really has like when his mouth get to win dang it it's a lot he deserves a w poor guy yeah well it's not coming soon oh boy i just looked up i have to tell you guys what i wrote down When you and James are going, you know, play and Nathan are scouting, Kellerman's kid. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's so good. And he walks off the field saying, my dad's a douche. I wrote down, because when you guys get to the dugout and he's drinking beer, he goes, are you going to sign me or lecture me? And you say, depends on what you're looking for in an agent. And I go, he called his dad a douche. He's a douche.

It's like literally the notes I wrote down like I'm the eight. year old being like this guy rude don't who do you think you are it's a good little twist was that a real athlete that guy or is he an actor no so that is eric mcintyre and uh he is not a real baseball player um he he had to learn kind of the mechanics of throwing for them really so he's an actor he's an actor yeah no yeah he's much more of a d and d guy than he is wow no way that's so In real life. How fun. That's kind of how I knew, know of him afterwards since then is he's a big, big into the D&D scene.

So, yeah, baseball, no, not his strike zone. But he played it well. And listen, to play, he played the hell out of that douchebag. I mean, because he was instantly punchable. Completely. His walk even. I don't know if his walk was a choice, but he didn't even open his mouth. That walk alone is like, that guy needs to get punched.

Yeah. He really. He had such an air of ego, like the way he moved his shoulders, everything. He really physicalized that well. Yes. It's kind of cool to know that he's not actually that type of athlete at all. No, those were just good choices. And it was also such a heightened version of that type of person.

Totally. In fact, he has, like, because I love thinking about, like, how did he get there? So, like, he went and he got like a little igloo container and he filled it full of ice and some beers, like him walking to, it just, it was so funny, man. But I love that at the end of it, Clay is just like, he called us all. Well, that's the fun part of it. I think it's a good twist that it's Kellerman's kid. And also, it's fun to have him essentially be a foil to you and Nathan as buddy cops. it's fun to see you two in that role the you know moving around together um and figuring it out and

yes we get a little bit of perspective from this younger kid and you guys sitting having a conversation and him having to essentially be like i used to be that guy it's it's cool you know the the passage of time that it shows is a really interesting device yes And it was a clever way to show Nathan's value. His value added as an agent was that he was able to go, yeah, I was like this. And I, you know, like, it was great because as a viewer, I was like, this kid, he's a total, like, no way. And then it was, and that was sort of where clay was leaning. And I liked that.

It was Nathan, the counterbalance to go, I don't know, bud. Yeah. I was like that. Hate to break it to you. He might be the next me. Yeah. Room to grow. Yeah, it's cool.

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It was so good. And when Austin goes to the door, the guy's like, I don't mind. Great. Oh, I love that. So great. Honestly, he was a scene stealer. I'm going to give him my honorable mention. It's a man.

Yeah. It's so good. Killed it. Michael May is for me. Yeah. I'm going to give mine to Michael May. Yeah. He did great.

That whole storyline was so fun to watch. And I love what it's setting up. I do remember a bit. of where this one goes. Yeah. It goes there. So Bean Jeans is asking us, with so many of the characters not having siblings on the show, who do you wish had a sibling and got to be a part of the show?

And would that sibling have a love interest in the friend group? Whoa. I really wish Dan had had a sibling. I think that would have been good for the show. Well, he did. But he did. I'm kind of joking. I was like, Rob, have you not?

Oh, boy. You guys. Listen, I know there's a lot you didn't watch. The biggest sibling arc in the entire show. That's true. Well, it's interesting because Dan had a sibling. Obviously, you've got Nathan and Lucas. Haley's one of a bunch.

I don't think Brooke or Peyton could have had siblings because they became each other's siblings because they were lonely-only. Yeah. But maybe if Haley had a brother, that would have been nice because we only ever saw sisters. I mean, who else could have? I would have liked to see Clay have a sibling.

Yeah, that would have been fun. Because it would have been nice to see a baseline because Clay has endured like immense trauma. Especially we're going to find out how deep it goes. So it would have been interesting to see what that gene pool looks like without, like what that person looks like without going through that. Yeah, it's always unsettling when you meet a character and then you never, when you watch a show for this long and you never meet their parents, you never know anything. about the life before. It just makes it harder for you to see them as a fully realized person. Like you do so much to embody clay. And then there's still all this empty backstory that we don't know other than what you tell us. I actually agree with you. I really would have loved to see

a parent or a sibling or just someone to give us a little more context. Well, and I think especially knowing where things go with you and how extreme that story. storyline felt and what you had to commit to, I think it would have probably been really special and grounding if we'd gotten to see that. Like, I would have actually loved it if Clay had a sister who could have said, you know. Who was like taking care of the kid. Yeah. And also who could have been like a great friend to Quinn's character to be like, listen, I know it feels crazy. This is my experience this is you know yeah i think i think you could have that would have been nice for you yeah there would have been room for like a like a cool sis just like it's like kind of sage what bouncing

around getting to know everybody just being like hey you're acting you're acting a fool and hey like stop dating two girls at the same time dude and hey like don't worry about your girlfriend getting this job you're something great's coming your way and you know like bouncing around you could Wouldn't have been wild if Clay had a sister and then you realized a season in. She was a ghost, too, because she had also died. Oh, my God. The whole, it's the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe. The whole town is actually just dead.

It's the Truman Show, but all ghosts. Here's my question. Incredible. So, Bean Jeans, I think I'm correctly assuming, is a nickname. What does it come from? What is this list of his real name? Yeah, bean jeans Oh, jeans

Okay, it's G-E-N-E-S, not genes like blue jeans Because bean blue jeans actually sounds like really terrible. Like you just had a ate of really bad bowl of Indian food And it did not turn out well for you. Oh, God. But bean genes, but with the G-E, oh, so maybe it's like a Boston thing. Maybe this person is, you know, genetics, their families from Boston. Like Boston baked beans?

Is that why you're, is that? No, Beantown. Okay. Could be. I don't know. Could be petite. Could be a, oh, yeah. A petite little person.

Or it's just some type of legume that has become sentient and figured out how to use a computer. Perhaps. We like your commitment. We like your commitment to the bit. Thank you. Indeed. Should we spin a wheel? Let's do it.

Oh, boy. Oh. Who is most likely to accidentally go viral for something embarrassing? Chantelle. She's a strong candidate. Not no. You think? She's so regal.

She is, but she's all so clumsy and goofy. I just could totally see. 100%. I could totally see that. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. I think I'm a strong front runner for that as well.

I was going to say you, Rob, and I mean that as a compliment. Yeah, well, listen, it's... Because you commit to the bit. Yeah, there's a... I don't know why. There's a video of all of us. We're at some event. It's not a con, but we're like, all there is a cast.

It was that thing where they had Jackson. He came out in his green man suit and danced on stage for like four minutes. it straight and then like we all came out and we sat on two couches and then for some reason we're talking to an audience like in an auditorium or something for some reason oh yeah what was that you guys coached me to like not let's be honest you probably just mentioned dancing and we're like rob does stupid dancing and i stand up and i like i dance and like i drop it like it's hot and i don't know why but that video still lives to this day so oh my god it was at a theater in willington It was some kind of panel about, like, this was the 100th episode, maybe?

100th I wasn't there for. Oh, that's right. It would have been the finale, I guess. I think it must have been the finale. Yeah. Some kind of panel. I do remember that, though. That's funny, that video is still a lot.

Thanks, Internet. Oh, every poor fashion choice and silly little thing we've ever done. and we're immortalized. It's so sad. Well, next episode, season eight, episode 16. I think I'm gonna like it here. That's from Annie and also the name of our next episode. So stay tuned, folks.

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