Drama Queens - Missing Plot • EP415

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Confirmations of sex tapes and missing scenes of an important plot made for double the drama.  Find out why the physical fight between Brooke and Peyton was incredibly emotional to watch back and the reason Hilarie actually hit Sophia in real life!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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season four episode 15 we dressed up we dressed up oh my gosh I'm so jealous I didn't get the memo no you're traveling for work I know but I just

I just cleaned my office and found my crown and I was like oh this is so nice so I put it on top of a bottle of your whiskey which is in my house and it's sitting there on my bar and I didn't bring it with me and I should have But you both look very beautiful. Prom queens indeed.

You're like basically filming out of castle right now. So you're... I am. This episode originally aired February 21st, 2007, a real follow-up to our Valentine's Day show. On the day of prom, the residue of Nathan's pre-prong party has serious repercussions for everyone in Tree Hill. Haley asks Nathan for a list of all his past sexual conquests. Oh my God, do not ever do that. Rachel is suspended after taking the blame for the exam that she stole with Brooke.

Peyton tells Lucas she wants to skip the prom entirely, but he doesn't want to take no for an answer. And finally, Marvin McFadden and Brooke must deal with dating clean teens on prom. Yeah! Cudies! This episode was directed by our very own Paul Johansson, and he crushed it. Wow, prom episode. This is so fun. I love the big episodes like this.

This one was a huge one. I was so, I had so much to say about this episode, and I'm upset that I'm not going to be here for this entire podcast. But I have to, like, first off, Hillary, you are such a good actress. The scenes that you did, like, it was so nice to see Peyton take a turn from being, you've gone through all the phases of, like, weepy. And then you were having fun for a while. And now it's like, you're just being angry. And we haven't seen Peyton do that in a way that is so confident and solid. Like, I've seen Peyton throw a fit before.

I don't know that I've seen Peyton just kind of come into her a confidence in her own of like, everything is shifted and you put everything emotionally into place with how you felt about what Brooke and Nathan did. And you were like, okay, that's it. I know exactly where I stand right now. And I'm, it was just so solid and the, and then the emotional turn that you had with Brooke in the yard. It was just like talking about your mom. It made me cry and I'm driving.

And I was like, stop crying. I'm driving. It was really, really good. So, well done. Well, thanks. I think that we were all really lucky that in this big episode, we had Paul directing. Because Paul knew us, man. Paul knew the shit that was going on in.

real life he knew all the stuff our characters it had to do before you know and i think everyone turned in really good performances this episode and so while we have you i want to talk about yours because it is so um it makes that like your throat burn when you think about asking your partner to make a sex list like oh my god oh my god basically we're doing this thing that you do in horror films where we're like, Haley, don't come in the house. Just do it. And she's so pregnant and hormonal. The writing, I thought, was hilarious on this one, the fact that I got to be so irrational and just out of control. I didn't find it irrational at all. You totally made it. It made sense to me. Oh, thanks. Yeah, that was really fun. I was surprised.

That was another, this episode, I had a lot of, I remembered being in the rooms. This is the episode I slapped Rachel, too, right? Or was that the last one? Yes, that was the last one. It was the last one. Right. Okay. So that one I wasn't here for. You and James have such great comedy in this. And it's very, Catherine Hepburn, Spencer, Tracy, it's fast. It's like, try to keep up, you know. That's Haley's energy. It's like, no, do what I asked you to do. But also, don't do what I asked you to do. And you two are getting to do funny stuff. maybe for the first time like you guys have been very sweet together you've had fights you've been

vulnerable and emotional but you're being funny together this episode i was glad that they didn't write uh haley's reaction to this as like another big overwhelming sad sulky like you know how could you do this i don't know who i like i just didn't want to mope i was so happy that she was just kind of a grown up about it like wow wow this It's not even that you're mad that he made the tape. It's that you're mad that he still has. Right. Yeah.

Do you use it? It's so horrible. It's so horrible. And the natural fear, because don't forget, in the prior episode, when everyone's yelling, oh, my God, Nathan and Peyton made his sex tape, Peyton comes running, screaming, turn it off, turn it off. Haley witnesses all of them. So Haley turns and looks at her husband and goes, oh, old Nathan, videotaped every time he had sex with a girl.

Like, that camcorder was set up in his bedroom. You didn't have to go get it. No. It was there. It was there. It was right at the end of the bed. Oh. Yeah, why was it already there?

Well, so essentially the discovery of, oh, you have this whole other life, this whole other series of proclivities, these fantasies that I know nothing. about, that can be really hard. I remember years and years ago, I don't know what it is now, but I think when we were doing the show, it might have even come up because of this episode. There was like a big piece that got published about how like over 30% of people feel like if their partner has a secret porn habit, that is cheating. Yeah. Like that's a really intense thing to find out that someone has a whole sex life that has nothing to do with you. And I loved that we were able to talk about the reality of how complicated it is to figure out what the person you love likes that has nothing to do with you. But we did it in a funny way. It's like it gave

people permission to have the conversation. But to your point, Joy, it wasn't mopey. It wasn't like hitting us over the head with another dramatic thing. And I loved it. I also have to say something about this tape. I have to say something. Hillary and I talked about this last week. She's so upset. No, Joy, Lizzie, she's so upset about this. Because this is actually, this is really fucked up. And look, I get that the point was that Brooke essentially was going to be told, like, you betrayed me too, with the Peyton and Lucas of it all. And their whole thing is, this was one drunk night, and you had a full emotional affair and you lied to me and you snuck around behind my back. Each person decides why the other person is.

the wrong one. But I remember how upset I was when we got this script. And I was like, I'm not going to do this. Like, this is so unforgivable. And they gave me this whole thing about no, no, no, at the opening of 415, Peyton is on a tear. Nathan's doing body shots off Bevin. They get in a big screaming fight and she dumps him. And then she comes to Brooke and Brooke is wasted and having a good time and says you don't you hate nathan he's mean to you i have i know what you need take two of these and call me in the morning and she yanks over two like hot guys and like shows them to Peyton and Peyton looks at her and goes i'm not like you i'm not a two bit in front of everyone and walks away and so when brook sits down with Nathan and he says Peyton broke up with me

She says Peyton just like I don't remember what it was But it was essentially like She just said the meanest thing Anyone's ever said to me And he looked at her And was like want to get back at her

And it was like a It was like a thing that they made a decision on And for me When the episode aired And I saw that they had cut that out I was like listen You don't Everybody's in the wrong here

But when you take away The like core wound Context When your best friend has said the meanest thing, like at 15 that you think anyone can say to you, I was like, oh, my God, I sobbed when I watched this. Oh, no. Like, sob.

You know what? You're right because what it turned into was kind of gross and creepy, Nathan being like, you were just drunk enough. Yeah. It was like, like him taking advantage of a drunk girl. And then even further says it when you get into the bedroom, he's like, you need another drink? like what are we doing here exactly and it went from being two

kids we've talked so much about how in like all these ways Nathan and Brooke are really similar and like their friendship can be this great respite for each other and you could have seen why these two made this really bad decision in the versions of themselves

they were two years ago and then both tried to pretend it never happened and never talked about it again And Brooke even says, like, I kind of like, I was really drunk. I kind of wanted it to be a bad dream, which is so fucking sad. Yeah. And it goes from being like, ooh, that was the worst versions of us. And now we're better versions of us to just like her in particular being the bad guy.

Like, she really gets blamed. And I just felt like it was so cruel. Like, I don't know. It made me feel very defensive of her, which is probably an insane thing to say because she's not an actual person. But she feels like a person to me. He's real to me. Yeah, but you went through seasons and seasons after episodes and episodes after that, functioning in a certain way, believing that Brooke just did that for no reason.

Yeah, it just affects me that you look at your performance and who Brooke has been over the last like two seasons. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's no good. I don't like that. And there was supposed to be the tie-in with Peyton calling her that to Peyton putting it on her dress and it was like it was a whole thing yeah yeah like this this like mortal wound and they took it away but they didn't take away you dumping him and I was like that's really fucked up like it gives him an excuse but not her but not too yeah exactly and I didn't like because the excuse

that Haley and Peyton get the whole time is it didn't mean anything it didn't mean anything it didn't mean anything which those are just like dumb empty words if it instead had been like no, you were being a fucking bitch that night. Yeah, I was trying to get back to you. And I feel really horrible about it. Yeah, you were awful to both of us. We did something regrettable. And because we regretted it, we buried it.

Yeah, that could have been a more interesting conversation. Anytime someone tells me, it didn't mean anything. I'm like, oh, okay, tell me more. I'm like, how many soap operas have you watched you, loser? Yeah, exactly. This is one of the things that happens a lot with TV. That's different from film, I think, is that, you know, there's people in.

office who are not artists and then there's writers um and the writers are in tv are preoccupied with the next episode and everything and you know they're often just trying to piecemeal things together if something doesn't make sense or if an episode's too long or whatever and so it's everyone except the people responsible for those characters in the room making creative decisions about the characters and it's really frustrating it happens all the time in um in tv and uh there's nothing that really actors can do about it. You just have to show up and trust that, you know, the people who are working with the office people really have your back. And sometimes they just, they just can't because they're too distracted of too many other things or maybe they don't care. I don't know.

It can be tough. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a very different. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic on, or

the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy, before you have to go, what, you said you've got,

remember filming this episode you had a really really nice scene with chad in the kitchen do you remember that one i just watched it like an hour ago what happened what happened in the kitchen you're like you know talking about Peyton's ex-boyfriend in the video and Nathan says or Lucas says well Nathan's not like her ex-boyfriend either you know she said like don't be like Peyton's ex-boyfriend You're encouraging Lucas to go to Peyton, show up for her and don't be like her ex-boyfriend. And he's like, well, why don't you be nice to Nathan? Because he's not like her ex-boyfriend either. Yeah.

You two had such a good chemistry in that scene. And Lucas is being Lucas, bouncing back and forth between Brooke and Peyton again. Yeah. You're the person that lets the audience see him, like, for the good boy. I always miss seeing Haley and Lucas on camera. because we started the show that way. It was so much hearing Lucas. And so whenever we get to see them together again.

And I even, you know, I saw chat at an event recently. And it just, it does. It's like no matter how much time goes by, no matter what, it just feels like you've been through so much together. It's family. It's like you just, it was a comfort level. And it was like, man, we could easily be walking down the street, down front street right now again.

You know, it's great. I love Lucas in healing. I think it's also nice to see, you know, Nathan's taking a lot of responsibility going on his apology tour. And it's nice to see their brotherly relationship with Lucas kind of following Nathan around, trying to keep everyone calm in the wake of the crisis. I didn't even realize that's what Lucas was doing. But, you know, it's like a nice seesaw. In a way, they're like, let's divide and conquer. And so they're sort of like rotating around each other, trying to solve this problem.

problem. But brotherly love. I do love that. Yeah. And I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed, you know, seeing Nathan take it on the chin and be the best version of himself. And I appreciated that Lucas was reminding everyone who their friends really are. You know, he, he does it for Brooke and he does it for Haley. And he does it for Peyton. He says to Peyton, look, in a way, Lucas is the only person in this episode, by the way, who says, yeah, they did something dumb years ago when they were drunk. We did this thing for a long time behind her back, Peyton. He finally acknowledges it. You know, and he acknowledges it for the first time. And she, granted, isn't ready to hear it. But it's kind of impressive. And he uses that reality of,

look, this is what we did. And we did it for a long time. And it's, this is the reality. now and he and then he says you're better than this i listen my my take on Lucas is that he's so pumped that he's not at the center of this car also that for so long he was the dip shit doing dumb stuff with multiple girls you know yeah yeah just like hey man this is my opportunity to like clean the slate oh my god it's great what if we all give each other's mistakes that yeah yeah he's just standing in the middle of the hurricane just watching the women in his life his mother Peyton haley brook everybody's just going off the rails and and uh he's just taking it taking it on the chin trying to handle everybody yeah big big girl Peyton so funny so good

yeah and he does he really does take it on the chin because less we forget when him and when Lucas and Nathan have their scene oh yeah Nate apologizes and and Lucas says something thing about, you know, I just don't ever want to see a tape of you and Peyton, Nathan just takes a breath and goes, well, you never will, because Haley destroyed all the tapes in the house. And I was like, oh my God. Like, he just goes ahead and says, don't worry about it, man. And it's so... That was my only confirmation that that existed. Even I was like, wait, what? There's tapes. I know. I was like, this is really horrible. And I don't know if maybe we were talking about this

because we were in the era of all those reality girls having their sex tapes come out. I don't know why this was such a big deal, but God, when he just said that, when Nathan says that to Lucas was such a straight face in the kitchen, I almost fainted. Yeah, it was like, oh, but also I have a very strong appreciation for a singular tape that can be destroyed.

Do you know what I mean? In the age of the internet and in the age, of like you know people downloading things or sending them digitally like having a tape that you can rip the physical film out and destroy what a treat i miss the good old days yeah yeah oh my god god i know i know that's it i know that was i want to see haley with a hammer just like that's it i know that was i want to see haley with a lighter and a barbecue like just lighter fluid that on a Weber grill outside and burn it. Angela Bassett?

Yeah. It would have been so, so, so, so funny. It would have worked, too. Oh, well, I got to go. I love you guys. Yeah, well, thanks for joining us. Have fun in the castle. Great performances in this episode, both of you.

Well, same. Thank you. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Yeah. There's a lot of, like, there's just a lot of nuance that I didn't catch the first time around, and I'm, I'm loving it, and I'm also a little uncomfortable. Yeah, because we're finding out things about ourselves, our characters that we didn't know. That's what it is. It's, it feels like, it honestly feels like exactly like what Brooke is experiencing, that you did something dumb and drunk at a party, and you don't remember until people start reminding you, and then the pieces come back. together, you know? Yeah. I forgot about Peyton and Nathan and nipple rings and sex tapes and showers together. Like, all of it has been wiped from my memory because, you know, for the last couple years, it's Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, look, look, look. The reminder is brutal.

It is so brutal. And I think it can be really hard, especially when something from so far in your past comes up. And, you know, Lucas says it. He says she's acting like it just happened. Yeah. And then Haley has the counter. Well, it did just happen to her. You know, she just found out about it.

But for Brooke and Nathan, like, I would bet you they've both literally forgotten that this ever happened. And now it's back to bite them in the ass. And what a total nightmare. Yeah. But a nightmare, but also. So, great platform for some comedy, because you and I, as we watched Haley be like, I want the list. Guys, Sophia and I are sitting here, sidebar texting each other about, like, you don't want the list. You don't want the list.

You think you want the list? It's a real bad idea. You don't want the list, and if you have one, you shouldn't keep a list. Don't make a list. It's a recipe for disaster. Don't make a list for us to find. in your drawers or oh my god you don't want that list tady no no i've had a couple situations where i have um learned after the fact that uh i have engaged with someone who has been

with my partner and it makes me happy that i don't know because when i interact with them i'm a cool girl. You know, I'm not being territorial or weird. I'm just being fun and cool. And so then when I find out later, I'm like, okay, fine, you know. You want to know before. Knowing before makes it worse, because then you're not really yourself when you meet that person. Yes. It's just not possible. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want people to keep secrets from me, but I also am like, I don't think I need to know. Like, I remember finding out that a girl who had been so awful to one of my best guy friends in a relationship that they were in, like, tortured this sweet boy. Yeah.

Years later, I was dating someone and found out he had also dated this girl. Oh. And I almost broke up with him over it. Like, I couldn't. It made you think his taste was bad. It got in my head in a way that I was like, I don't think I can get over this. And yeah, I just was like, I don't, I don't know how to understand this about you. And I was like, man, I just wish I'd never known this.

I don't want to know this. Well, here's the deal. There's a fine line between knowing who your person has had significant relationships with. Like, I can look at the people that my husband has dated and been like, those are all really talented, ambitious, smart women. Like, I feel like I am in good company. And then also, like, I have dated people who only ever dated trallops, you know. I did not feel like I was in good company. And so I think knowing what your person's history is in terms of how they respect women, what they're attracted to, that can be helpful.

I don't need to know every person on the list. No, I don't want it. Oh. I don't want it. Has. It's almost funnier to just assume it's everyone. right just to be like that's actually a great strategy you've kissed everyone and i'm the last one i'm the one i'm the one that made you stop oh my god it's amazing yeah feather in our caps sophia

i'm into it look at us look at us we broke up we also did the damn thing in this episode unfortunately to each other oh baby i i still am sweaty about this no it's okay we just we were in it Like, it was such a real fight. And I know we've talked a little bit about, you know, stunts and things, but it's choreography. And you're also in the moment. And, yeah, there was one moment where we were each, we were facing each other. And like, we were each supposed to go left.

I was supposed to have, I remember this so clearly, because I was really upset that I'd hurt you. I was supposed to be holding your arms down. And when we landed, I could. I could only get your left hand, so on my right hand side down. And that was bad for you because you had nothing to do with your other hand. You couldn't like hit me. It was like I had to hold both hands so that you could struggle against them.

And I was bringing my arm across to go and get your other hand right as you leaned forward. And I cracked you in the head. And I don't know if that's how you remember it. Yeah, but I remember the crack and being like, oh, no, it was scary. Well, it was, I remember thinking like, wow, that was really loud. And then thinking, was it only loud because it was in my head? And then I saw your face and, like, looked around and everyone's eyes were big and mouths were open. And I was like, oh, everybody heard that.

And we, like, stopped for a minute. But in my head, yeah, to your point, like, my memory is that, like, we were both supposed to to go left and like well you're left and my left but i went right and it just yeah it was it was a collision of epic proportions well we didn't have rehearsal you know like we had a little bit of rehearsal but yeah we're shooting outside we're on location we're fighting daylight it is a hugely emotional scene and there's two of them back to back because we had to do i totally forgotten about the scene where Brooke comes to Peyton's door and they have the fight at the door and then Brooke leaves before she comes back to egg the house. So we had two huge emotional

scenes. Big scenes, yeah. And there's no time to just like five, six, seven, eight. You know, that's no. They didn't coordinate with us as well as they should, I think especially because we were four years in, they were like, they're professionals. Sofa and Hillary, they can do fist fought everybody. They're great. You know, we were always the ones who'd say like, yeah, we can do it. Just show us where you can be. We'll make it work. That was always our thing. Like, oh, we're running out of time. We'll make it work. And then you realize, oh, yeah, for some stuff, we should probably have choreography. But the thing that struck me about it, because it's such a beautiful scene between us. And I guess part of the reason I'm butt hurt about

them taking that beginning out is because... In different ways, each of these girls has this mortal wound. And they get expressed with different terms. Brooks is a criticism of who she is, certainly. You know, judgment and sexism and all those things, you know, coming from my end of it. And what I saw in this scene watching it back is that you got to tell me the worst thing I'd ever said to you. and I think the wound I feel for Brooke is that she didn't get to express like you said one of the worst things like a person could say to me like you you treated me like everybody else and the reason it

the thing that really sticks out to me obviously Peyton's wound the mother thing is the biggest and the baddest and the worst and what it illuminated for me in our fight in these girls who've been there for each other since they were so little is that they both have. have actually the same core wound. It's abandonment. And they're the ones who've shown up for each other forever. And in this moment, they've abandoned each other. And what Peyton voices to Brooke is, you abandoned me.

And Brooke has to see that the thing she has felt that Peyton did to her is exactly what she's done to Peyton. and it took my breath away, seeing it as an adult and really seeing the subtext of the conversation between us, I was like, oh, these girls have held, like, they used to come together to comfort each other from this wound, and now they're stabbing each other. And it, it really gutted me. It really hurt when I heard Brooke say, you win, you win, you win, you know. You got the boy. You got the dress. You got everything that you wanted. Because for so long, Peyton was trying to center Brooke and be like, just be with him, be happy. I'm going to keep my secret as long as you're happy. You know, and that was like a really hard thing to hear because Peyton doesn't feel like it's a win. You know, like it doesn't feel like a win. And so to have the person you love be like, fine. The other thing that really strikes me that I didn't figure out until adulthood, but that is definitely on display in the scene, is that we can love a lot of people. Like you and I love a lot of people.

We don't give a lot of people permission to hurt us. That's the next level. And I personally have very few people in my life who I will let in enough to hurt me because I'm so conditioned to be like, you know what? you're probably going to fuck up at some point. So we're just going to, we're going to pump the breaks right here. We'll stay at love. Love feels fun.

Brooke and Peyton are the only people who can hurt each other. Lucas can't hurt them. He's already done it to both of them. Nathan can't hurt. You know, like their parents can't hurt them. They're the only people that they care enough about to give them that power. Yes. And I think that's why the U.N. hurts so much.

Because what Brooke is really saying is you were the one person I trusted and you broke it. So now you're getting all the stuff everybody builds to have one person and I have no one. Like that's what Brooke is saying to Peyton. You have someone who loves you. Like I'm out here trying to date. I'm out here trying to find a boyfriend and a prom date. I got dumped because of you. To like make up for the gaping hole in my heart that you have left and you've got somebody.

in it, you win. And it is, oh, it's so sad these two little girls. It was a really well-written scene and I think it was kind of scary for a lot of our crew members to watch us film it because we had so much going on behind the scenes that it was that weird line of like, what's the subtext here? Are these girls really fighting? Because they're both putting in pretty good performances right now. Like, they're going for it. Um, and I, I remember all the crew members afterwards coming up to us being like, are you guys okay? Like, are you okay? Yeah.

And that was the first time I think that we'd put in performances where people that loved us and knew us were just like, hey, are you guys like, do you need something? Like, can we take care of you somehow? Because this was intense. It was really intense. It was really intense. Well, and if I may. And this was also at a point where we were really getting fed with so hard.

behind scenes, that it changed our actual friendship. Yes. Like, it makes me want to cry. Like, we didn't know that, but this was in a moment where we, you had always been much like Brooke and Peyton, like, when I got to Wilmington, and we've talked about this, like, you were my person. And this was in an era where we were all being pitted against each other. and I think there was like under the scene there was real pain of I don't know if you care about me as

much as I care about you and I see it in both directions yeah and I know in fact it went like all the way around the merry ground of all of us girls we were so scared because of the things that were being whispered in all of our ears and I think it's you know I think it's really part of it's part of what our characters are going through it's part of what we were going through and it it's not something much like brook and patent we didn't get any help because we didn't have an adult in the room it took us learning lessons as young women and being able to bring those back to each other eventually and to realize it was never you and it was never me it was the grownups that were supposed to take care of us wanted us to be enemies and i think all of that happened

and being good girls who came to work and did good work and really helped the crew, I think it's part of why it feels so emotional because nobody was allowed to express anything. I went home, here's my admission, after the whole like fight scene in the next episode, so not this fight scene. This fight scene left me feeling really rattled. And I was, I was unsure, like, how to be around you because I had hurt you, but I know that we'd also done this, like, work together that was important and that I loved, but it was layered with, like, hurt, physical and, like, you know, figurative. When we shot the next episode, and it's after they fight Psycho Derek, and you and I are seated on the front porch, like, all bloody. and we've got the blankets around us, and we were taking vodka shots from a water bottle together. I went home and cried after that.

I did too. Because I was like, it's going to work. It's going to work. That was like the moment where I was like, oh, we're good. Like, together. We're a good team. And I felt like I feel like I could make the choice to hang out with you or to just like be with you in a way where I didn't. didn't have to ask permission from anyone anymore because we'd just done this thing that was

really cool together. Yeah. Yeah, that was the moment when I cried. Me too. Oh, my God, I can't believe it. Yeah, I am, it did. It weirdly, I think being in such an intense situation together and coming together, like, it mirrored something we'd had that in our real lives and we both, like, saw, it. It was the first time where I thought, if we can have this, I don't know if all the other stuff that I know is being fed in both directions here. I don't know if that's real. This feels really real. It almost made it, it didn't even matter. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, say whatever you want to say. You know, I was waking up to a lot of stuff at this point when we were in season four because at this point where you and I filmed this episode, I

had found out that things were being said about me and our creator that were not true and that light bulb went off and it was like oh but then that means that the stuff about daniel isn't true and that means the stuff about sophia isn't true and it was this domino effect and it reached its peak when we went to honeygrove right so this is like the span of time between prom and honeygrove is when everything went to shit on our show. But between shooting this episode with you and having this like come to Jesus in this moment where like maybe we did have to have an injury in order to like come together and be like, I'm really sorry.

You know, like I just remember crying in the trailer because I hurt you with Jojo just like, oh my God, is she okay? You know, and her telling me like, calm down. You're making it a really big deal. You have to calm down. between that and then when we had the all night graduation party where we really did come together as a team behind the scenes and like yeah this chunk of episodes is just so laced with like real life tension and then like really strong work we took all the stuff that we couldn't say out loud and just put it in the scene here you guys go here's a buffet of emotion yeah yeah It's like we got to take out our frustrations on what was going on behind the scenes on our guest star next week. Oh, my God, sweet Matt Bar.

When that door knock happens, like sweet things are happening and then the door and then... Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. Yeah. I just feel like a metaphor. You know, there's so much tender work between two people in this episode. Before we move on, I just... I love you.

I love you too. Don't make me cry. Don't mind me cry. I'm proud of us. Well, yeah, it's hard to talk about this. I know. It's hard because it means admitting that, like, we weren't good to each other in different ways. We were, like, conditioned to be competitive or dismissive or I was just aloof a lot. I was really aloof. I think what's part of what's hard about it, though, is unlike a normal life, when you have, you know, 16 hours of work a day to do with someone, you don't have time to get in a fight. You don't, you are conditioned to not bring your personal life to work. And it can make figuring out your personal life almost impossible because the fear is, well if we take the lid off this thing it's going to explode you can't just like have a fight or an argument like you would with your friend and take three days and then talk about it it's it's so

pressurized and i think to your point we finally got to let some of the pressure out and then everything changed because we could really see each other and and not be manipulated into suspicion or assumption anymore. Well, here's how you know I love you. When I left One Tree Hill, there was like, it was bad. It was really, it was bad. And I didn't talk to anybody for a very long time. But I had to put my reel together in order to go audition for other jobs.

And so I'm like pregnant putting together my reel. And this is the one scene from One Tree Hill that I had on it. This is my most proud work on the show with you. I love it. I love that. Yeah. It's sad. I remember Paul coming into the house after Peyton goes in and slams the door and it's just like, so, are you okay?

Can we keep going? I'm like, yeah, no, we're great. We're troopers. We're going to be great. But this whole episode, it was strong. I mean, I feel like any of our friends would. say that about this episode. Lee got to do good stuff. Haley and Nathan got to do good stuff together. Chad and Moira got to do really good stuff together. Like this was an episode about

duos. And those are our strongest episodes. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree. And you're right. I mean, what an honorable mention for Lee. It's like they made him, they just wrote him so weird in the last episode. And I feel like mouth and who he really is is back in this episode. And it's such a relief. And I love that they essentially, through these, you know, this episode and the next one, the cliffhanger into prom, they let him be Ducky. They let him be that guy. And even in the small generous moments, you know, mouth texting Rachel, a picture of him and Brooke and saying, we miss you you know it's all as it should be the way he is with her in the closet and she's packing oh my god yes but also the way she is with you Brooke and Rachel are such a

good love story yeah when she I mean you and her and that like false goodbye before she comes back and hugs you goodbye oh so good it's it's The audience's reminder that Brooke Davis is a great friend. She's a great friend and she deserves to be put first. I also just love seeing Rachel get vulnerable. You know, even in the comedic way in which she does it. Well, yeah, I did that because I suck, but you're better than that. She has a hard time not cracking a joke in a vulnerable moment like someone else I know.

but it's so it's raw and it's sweet and it's honest and I do really love seeing these girls together there's something about these two who've made mistakes making each other better that feels very very sweet there's a lot of sweet duos and then some not so sweet duos and then you have the unsweetest the bitterest duo of all in that end scene And it seems like it's going to be sweet. The misdirect, you know, everyone's getting ready for prom and you're getting in your dress and everyone's doing their hair and it's cutting back and forth. And Lucas is tightening his tie and he's putting on his boot in ear and then you realize it's not Lucas, it's Derek. Duh, da, da, da.

The perfect, the perfect polar opposite to you at the River Court asking mouth to prom and, like, being with all the boys. And it's, like, so cute. It's so high school and it's so fun. and then it's like the exact opposite. It's not fun. You know who is fun? Matt Barr. Okay, you guys, we have Matt Barr.

God bless. But we're just teasing you with him because he's actually going to talk with us about next week's episode, which is season four, episode 16. You call it madness, but I call it love. That's so frightening. It's so frightening, but we do love IRL sweet Matt Bar.

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