Drama Queens - “More Brooch” with Kelsey Asbille ᐧ EP612

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

As One Tree Hill takes on its Hollywood storyline…the drama unfolds!  From James Van Der Beek, to Mouth, to Julian…there seems to be a bad boy complex on full display in this episode and the girls are ready to talk about it! Joy reluctantly comes clean about a fashion faux pas she insistent on for Haley. Plus, with Kelsey on the pod, it’s time to get to the bottom of Gigi and her origin story!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Hey, hey, everybody. Season 6, episode 12. You have to be joking. Autopsy of the Devil's Brain. It's a little wordy, but it's okay. Air date November 24th, 2008. Welcome back, everybody.

You've got me, Hillary, and the fabulous so impossible to get. We finally got her, Kelsey, Asbiel. Oh, crazy, she's here. Kelsey, would you read our synopsis for us? Yes, of course. as Lucas takes a trip to Hollywood to meet his film director Nathan gets a pro basketball tryout

Peyton struggles with Mia to focus on her follow-up album while Millicent confronts Marvin about Gigi. Julian approaches the dubious Brooke about designing clothes for his movie and Haley takes a reluctant Jamie to his school talent show. This episode was a shining example

of our boss putting all of his own thoughts and dreams and weirdness. into the storylines of our characters and us just having to like do it this was my least favorite part of the show like the season wise the time when we were doing the Hollywood movie version of Lucas's scripts like and we're we're now we've just completely run out of all possible storylines for all of these characters we just have to show other people acting out the same storylines they've already watched for the last six seasons. It's so dumb.

It really bothers me. It became so meta. Like James Vanderbeek, the reveal of James Vanderbeek as the director. Yeah, that was fun. He's great. He's great. Kelsey, were you allowed to watch shows like Dawson's Creek and One Tree Hill growing up? So I think I was a little too young for for Dawson's Creek because Wondry Hill was kind of my era. Yeah.

But I do remember meeting James Vanderby. I have to say his full name. He's in, if you call him James, it's like, are James? No. Nathan James? I do remember meeting him on set for this episode, which is so funny.

But yeah, he's, it does feel very meta. And it felt too, like he was making, making fun of so many Dawson's things, like in this episode, him being this goofball director was probably my favorite part because I had nothing to do with it. And it was just, I couldn't just enjoy it. Yeah. But him like jumping on the chair like Tom Cruise. This was when him and Katie were still together. Yeah. Oh, right. And, you know, trying to get Haley and Lucas to end up together because he knows what fans like, you know. And then asking if they could kill Haley because

doesn't Michelle Williams die at the end of Dawson's Creek? She does? Oh, my God. Oh, spoiler alert. Sorry. Yeah, there's so many little nods in there. She done did. Yeah, yeah.

I liked that because he took the note of be insufferable and he really ran with it. Yeah, he was having fun for sure. Yeah, definitely. Which I think made Chad have fun. Like, I really liked Lucas in this episode, too, because he's just kind of steady. and he's got these two big, like, weird alpha male personalities. He's got Julian drawn sugar in the diner. Vanderbeek's playing with cocaine.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Lucas is just watching everyone go crazy around him. And then Chad, like, blows the sugar off and walks out. It was the same guy. It was so interesting. Was that on the page or was that, like, actor choices? That's what I'm wondering. I could see Austin.

Austin's funny enough. He could, I could see him or quirky and, I could see him pouring the sugar out on the table and doing that just on his own whim. Yeah. Just make an art, man. Yes. Choices.

I had a conversation with Gus last night about choices as an actor because he's doing The Hobbit. He's doing a play. Right. And I was like, sometimes as an actor, you have to make bad choices. And I thought that the sugar was,

it just made Julian look like such an asshole because I've weighted tables. Like, you guys, when did you wait tables? You're like, Oh, he's the sugar guy. He's sugar. Cool.

Yeah. Show off. Well, I was fun to see the Dixie Grill. Was that the Dixie Grill? Wasn't it? No, I think that was the Front Street Grill. Was it? Oh, I don't know why I had the Dixie Grill in my mind.

There was one that was closer. It was like a waffle house. It was closer to soapbox. It was across the street directly from Karen's Cafe. Oh, yeah. It was like the little. step sister to Dixie Groh. Oh, funny.

Yeah. I love all those little southern dive diners that we had down there. Kelsey, what were some of your favorite spots when you were in Wilmington? Such good restaurants. Okay, Cafe Phoenix. Oh, yeah. R-I-P. I went to Circa.

Oh, yeah. That's still around. We just went to Circa when we were in town for the convention. And we showed up, it was like a bunch of us. was late and they were so nice and they seated us but the waitress was just like oh my god like everyone from montreal is here this is so weird what do we do what do i do so we order drinks and everyone's kind of moving around and she's trying to put the drinks down on the table and she pours the entire tray of drinks down sophia's back and sophia was wearing leather pants so there was nowhere

the liquid to go it just pooled in her in her leather pain oh my god and I was like Circa never change never change

best person for that to happen to by the way though Sophia is so gracious I'm sure that in that moment she was really I wasn't there but I'm sure she was lovely thanked the waitress

and then tipped her really well because I was like this will be a story that we tell later so yeah no the restaurants are going to

it is fun to see those and we spent a lot of time in that diner between julian and sam yeah yeah there's a lot of time in the diner of this episode just this episode yeah yeah watching austin i just love watching him on camera he he moves around in front of a camera like he's like ice skating he's just it's so easy there's such a flow even the way he walks in and out of sets there's never i never feel like he's hitting a mark i never feel like he's delivering a line, he's just there, present, responding. And then when there's nothing left to say or do, he leaves. It's great. Well, my favorite thing at the beginning of this episode, I don't care about Austin. I care about the fact that Haley James Scott is walking around with

a tape measure to measure her husband at the river court just like randomly. So random. Although I can attest to the fact that now as a mom, I do often have a tape measure in my purse. I don't know why I said as a mom. Maybe it's because it's like the sort of you get older and you have a house. You have to buy furniture and having kids can be part of that. But yeah, I'm like on the lookout for furniture and I don't know. I feel like Maria's asking me more often for a tape measure because she's got things she wants to see if it fits in her room. Is that weird? Am I alone in this? You don't carry tape measures around? All the time I have one right here. Amazing. I have one in my drawer.

Yeah, of course. I think that's why I appreciate it so much because it's just like, how are we going to start the episode? I know. Haley can just be measuring him at the river court. So good. Because he doesn't know how tall he is. Let's just double-check one more time that I didn't grow any in the last four years.

No, I liked that. That's one of those little things where you're on set and you're like, this doesn't make any sense. And they say, you're an actor. Make it make sense. And you did. You just did. Well, thank you.

Yeah, there were quite a few of those moments. But I did love this storyline, especially for James. Really cool to see somebody just making a Hail Mary pass, a last ditch effort, you know, reworking a dream from another angle, like trying to not let something go or at least not live a life knowing that he could have taken a last shot. I love seeing this. And I thought they played it out really well. The way it was shot, too, was really neat when he's, like, in the middle of the trials, and they'd like...

When he was talking to camera, when he was doing the VO and it would freeze frame? Okay, that was corny. Kelsey, have you ever thought about suggesting freeze frame on Yellowstone? Have you ever been like, you guys know what we should do with this rodeo? That's right. Play by play. We should tell the audience exactly what's happening. John Dunn's just going to walk us through it.

He's going to tell us. He did have a saving private Ryan moment in one of the episodes. And I remember I had to run down this hill and cowboy boots. And my son were, of course, running away from danger as you do on Yelstone. Yeah. And I'm running away from danger. But my, and I remember my son just takes off. He just runs down that hill so fast.

And I'm like there like, about your mother. I'm like hitting marks. I mean, actually. actually it's so cool that Austin is so good with my I'm so terrible at marks I'm still so at hitting marks well oh god I totally forgot to mention this we should dedicate this episode to Johnny V who just passed away he was our focus puller on one tree hill oh my gosh I didn't know that John I don't Kelsey I don't know how much like you interacted with him but joy for me John Variety taught me how to hit a mark because on the pilot I was

like, why is there a sandbag on the ground? Like, what is that? I'd only done theater where it's like, you sort of hit your rock. Yeah, yeah. Around here. Get close. And John would take me by my pants and just like kind of tug on me off camera till I hit it. Yeah. And like it was like a little animal on a leash. And he never made me feel stupid, which I can look back on and be like, oh, that was incredible. And so it's been cool to see all of our One Tree Hill crew family members come together and honor this man who just quietly taught all of us, you know, hitting a mark is a huge part of our job. Yeah. Yeah, you can't really be seen. And how many times have you given a performance only to find out it's out of focus and you got to do it again? Or you're blocking someone's

light, which makes you feel like a real asshole. Or someone's blocking yours because you didn't hit your mark. Yeah. Yeah. John was very generous with me too. And he always gave me sandbags Because the hardest part is walking in and not looking down So you have to sort of see it in your peripheral And then gauge generally once you start approaching where it is But yeah, he was always very respectful and generous And treated us like we were adults

Like young adults capable of deciphering and learning these things rather than kids that needed to be, you know, whipped into shape. And it was really lovely. I'm sorry to hear that he passed. We talked to a couple crew members, and I wish that we'd been able to go down and, you know, celebrate with them. Because we did have such a happy little family on set. Yeah. Like our crew was awesome.

Kelsey, who'd you hang out with on set? What was your department? Is it Jim from props? Oh, yes. Jim Nelson. oh my gosh he was so wonderful he was really yeah so so wonderful and just always had a good like fun energy yeah so fun to be around yeah so sweet yeah we had good dudes are all these guys still in wellmington or everybody go to Atlanta because the stage is open in no like half of them are

working on outer banks we should go crash outer banks uh dude I have been bugging my manager to be on Outer Banks. Oh, my God. I want to be on Outer Banks, too. Should we just? Yeah, you could still play a teenager on Outer Banks, Kelsey. So I don't want to hear it from you. We're playing moms now, you big jerk.

Speaking of teens, Sam, who has a boy sneaking out of her window. I love Brooke trying to pretend to be mad. So Ashley Richards was how much older than you, Kelsey? I want to say, I don't remember how do you remember how old she was maybe four years older no she wasn't 20 if kelsey was 16 when we filmed this episode yeah she was maybe she was oh yeah no I think maybe only one year

older I feel like she also was 16 she was little too um but I like that you're playing a grown up and she's still playing a kid oh yeah I remember I was talking about that yeah because it's like wait this is so this is so backwards we don't know what's real anymore. That's like, you know, Quentin was older than us. Yeah, he was older than us playing a high schooler. Did you ever sneak in and out of your bedroom window? Did I, oh, honey, no, because I have a military father. So, we have, like, locks and bolts and cameras all over the day. Oh, my God, did your dad love sharper image like my dad did? Or, like, Radio Shack. Did you have those little lasers around your house that would beep if anybody walked past that?

your house. We still have the beep. Stop. Past our driveway. Yeah, it's like... Alert, you are on camera. Alert. Oh, my God.

Yeah, we had the beeps. Military kids can't sneak out. Yeah. So you didn't sneak out either. Oh, no. Joy, did you? Yeah. What?

You kidding me? I had a one-story house. My window opened up to the backyard. I was on Route 17. Like, that was so easy to climb out the window. I didn't go anywhere. I was too scared. I just, like, walked around the block by myself to be contrarian.

I was like, I did it. And then climb back in, go to bed. I could never. I could never. That's hilarious. Well, Sam's going for it. And I love that when Brooke is like, did you sleep with him or whatever? She's like, dude, I'm like 15.

And when Brooke is like, well, when I was 15. Oh, yeah, the look on Ashley's face. Yeah. I was 15 slash 24. Yeah, exactly. Turns out Ashley actually is one year younger than you, Kelsey. We just found it. Oh, my God.

Yeah. So there really was this whole young crop of y'all. So great. So nice. So here's what I liked about this Sam storyline. I did think they wove it together pretty well. I was not expecting the Xavier thing in the car with Evan Peters. Evan Peters, by the way.

hey everybody like how do we get him he also was one of those young i think he was the same age as you guys um i was you cross past with him again i i never met him because i remember he was on the show and then but when i was re-watching it i i yeah i totally forgot i think he'd like to forget too you know he doesn't put one trail on his reel oh god sorry very, Evan. You're stuck with us. Yeah, the Evan Peters thing, I, Joy, you're right. They tied that all together nicely because we've been dragging this out. Yeah, like who the heck attacked Brooke? Enough already. Tell us. Oh, man, and it is. It's so heartbreaking when she realizes. Yeah.

You know. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. So that was the nice reveal. And I really liked Julian looking for Sam and intentionally not telling Brooke and telling her, you know, she's got to solve it, it's her own problem. Because he knows it, it would make her question his motives ultimately if he told her he was trying to help her or if he actively made it known that he was helping her. And I like that he wanted her to trust him and went ahead and just did it on his own. I thought that was cool. It was a good move. Hillary, you're squinting. You don't think so? I don't know. I don't know. For me, it's so weird how Julian goes from being this really kind of devious. He likes to poke the bear. He's a pretty antagonistic person. All the shit he says to Lucas in the beginning. It's just so unnecessary. But it, you know, it's his character. And then he'll end up becoming this goober. And it's, I like the antagonistic character.

I wish that he had just always kind of stayed an asshole. It's fun to love an asshole. Yeah. Like, they're fun to be with. Dan Scott can't be the only asshole in the world. Yeah. Come on. That's it.

Listen, everybody loves an asshole here and there. And Brooke Davis, sure. She could kiss it out of him. No, I do like that he wasn't the knight in shining armor. Because your right, motive is like, oh hey girl i'll help you and then we can kiss later yeah or just find the child because it's the right thing to do yeah right yeah because what was owen doing poor joe what a weird that whole thing was so weird every other episode he's like a hero saving daniel or rachel yeah and then he was

just yeah that was weird that was strange no so out of character so it felt so forced and contrived It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kelsey, when's the last time you saw this show? Like, how much of this lore are you caught up on familiar with? I haven't seen it in, since it aired. I haven't seen this episode probably since it aired. So it was really, it was so crazy and so nostalgic and like, and I really like, I mean, like I said, I, you know, can skip past my parts. But I really love watching your because it feels like, it feels good.

It feels like home, you know. I was going to ask if you had little watch parties with your friends when, you're little. I don't mean to sound condescending. I had little watch parties too with things. Okay. But when it first came out, your stuff. Okay. So I did.

So the first episode that came. out, you know, because I mean, Gigi could have very easily been cut, especially that first episode, like, oh my God, you were adorable. I don't think so. This party, like, for, like, at the high, like, it was at, like, some pool house, like public pool house and that had a TV and like a bunch of my high school came. And I, like, I couldn't believe how that was so bold. Because if I had been cut out of that show, oh, my, I'd be a different person now.

Oh, no. Never lived that down. Everybody shows up and you're not in the episode. That's funny. Does she make this up? So, yeah, I would have watch parties. And I also really thought that you had to keep everything secret. Like, I mean, Marvel level.

Like, yeah, they probably told you. you that yeah so i would like be you know i'd be like yeah doing doing one true hill this week like can't tell you what's happening but back then like you couldn't stream it you couldn't really watch it later like watching it the night of was a much bigger deal than it is now yeah like nobody does watch parties now because everybody just watches on their own time but back then that was it so sad that you watch parties anymore maybe we can bring it back we can do that again That's fine. Yeah, when we're on Outer Banks.

Yeah. Oh, yes. Outer banks. We're coming for you guys. For us now. Yeah, the Owen, the men in this episode are weird. Because, explain. We have James Vanderbeak, who's being a cartoon, and I love it.

Yeah. Like, yes. Snidly Whiplash, like, great into it. And then we have Julian, who's also kind of being a cartoon. He's like, I'm a bad guy. And he keeps basically telling everyone, hey, I'm a bad guy. Just so you know, I'm a bad guy. It's like, I love that Sam was like, I don't really think that you're a bad guy.

She just says, okay, keep trying. And then we have Owen, who's also like, I guess I'm just a bad guy. And then Mouth, who's like, that photo means nothing. It means nothing. Who actually is kind of being a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. And Lucas is just looking around like, these are bad guys.

These are bad guys. Yeah, their dudes are all kind of being, like, James is lovely, because James Lafferty is always lovely. James's always... James's a bad. He's bad. No, but James is talking to the camera like it's an after-school special where he's like, yeah, that's where they got me wrong.

Freeze frame. I would love to think that the human who wrote and directed this had actually been a real human man before and understood how they worked and functioned, But maybe this was an alien. Maybe this is like a fucking octopus. I don't know who thought all these guys are... Freeze frame. Great bad guy.

Freeze frame. Yeah, the guy that was talking shit to Nathan was just so over the top. Like that was so funny. Yeah, that was wild calling him the riddler. Like a Batman reference that nobody gets. Nobody gets. No, just the whole thing was wild. wild this was a drinking game episode

you know what I mean I didn't look at it that way like I appreciated the sentiment I just said my sister some drinking game rules for one show oh yes they're so great wait there are real ones yeah like it just it just came up on my

on my Instagram okay let's see yeah I'll send it y'all because it's really it's great we should play it and then watch an episode together and then record a podcast I'm drunk. Let's see what we want. Definitely.

I'll come back. I want to come back for the one. But yeah, it's like somebody, Lucas Squints, one drink. Dan shows up unwanted, one drink. Victoria's a bitch, one drink. Oh, yeah. Easy, man.

Yeah. Well, Nathan Scott slam dunks. David Scott shows off them goblin shoes. The goblin shoes. Freeze, Didn't we make fun of John Asher for using Freeze Frame in an episode?

Yeah, I guess they liked it. Because it's what happens at the end of the Breakfast Club. And there's also the Breakfast Club reference in here. Poor Sophia has to just get up from her desk and just like, oh, my, this is one, these dancing scenes are the worst. Oh, God. So painful. Yeah, like, okay, you're drawing. And then the song you like comes on the radio.

And so you just get up from drawing. go over to the stereo and turn it on, just randomly start dancing wild in front of your store that has all glass walls. All windows. And I know the fans love that. All the things that we push back against, like the Spice Girls dance and like singing in the library.

They love it. They love it. I mean, she also made it really cute because I, yeah, you see that in the scripts and be like, oh. Here it comes. Yeah. Like having a swim on TV. you're like really

and then she had to turn that into Julian I don't like you I don't trust you I like it wasn't even couldn't even be cute afterwards it was right back into very serious just so so strange because a normal human with normal

human emotions did not write or direct this episode AI before yeah how would a robot write a teen drama it's this you guys And as actors, this is just what you have to commit to. Yeah, they tested it out.

They tested it out on One Tree Hill before they released it. Yeah. This episode brought to you by ChatGPT. Oh, God. No, no, thank you. We recycled lines, too, because, you know, in the pilot episode, Peyton's very, you know, well-known line is, first of all, you don't know me, second of all. So the first of all, second-of-all thing is something that Peyton would say over and over again. and now who was saying it was it brook who was saying it now oh she yeah was it brook she says it

right yeah she says it to julian like first of all yeah she's spicy so wait i want to ask you when you're having to play someone who's this different from who you are in real life and someone who has had life experience that you haven't had yet as a young woman who do you base that character on like were there other tv or movie characters that you're like i guess i'll just try that god i mean i i think that would give me too much credit with my process you're like i know how sly girls act yeah i'll try this um no i think that i do remember in a couple of episodes ago i i had to down like 10 hynicans or something there was like a bunch of beer bottles and like you know I, from experience, I would get such bad, I got really bad Asian glow.

So I just remember, this isn't real, you know, six beers in. This is impossible. Yeah, I think you're just like, you think you're just acting how an older girl would. I don't know. Those older girls. Those older girls. Trouble. Was there a girl at school that you based, do, Gion?

Was there a slutty senior that you were like, that's her? I don't even think I knew anyone like. Kelsey was like, I'm just going to smile and say these lines and it's going to work. That's why it was so likable. Yes. I really did. I had this problem where I was just so happy to be there that every line I'd say with a big, goofy grin. It worked.

A nervous laugh afterwards. Like when I was watching this episode, I was like, oh, my God. Because I still have this like nervous energy laugh where I'm like, I do that after every line in this episode. It's horrifying. It makes me think that maybe Gigi's still a virgin, you guys. He totally is. She's putting it on.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was always accused of talking a big game, but then actually, my high school cheerleading coach nicknamed me Blue Balls, which is the most inappropriate thing for an adult to call a child. But it was so accurate because I was like, oh, no, I'll talk a ton of shit. But I'm not going to. touch on anybody. Are you high? Like, no way. But you had a good game. That's, that's important.

I can talk to anybody. Yeah, maybe, maybe Gigi is totally a virgin and we've misread this situation. Yeah. I think we uncovered something really important here. Yeah, I think she totally is. She totally was. She's just trying some things out. Did you see that kiss in a couple seasons ago? Yeah. I don't know. She must be doing something. right, because I've never seen an intern get a going away party at the magnitude of Gigi's going away party. Wow. Yeah, shocking. Well, you know who's not going to be a version anymore? Mamma, me, me, Millie. Wow. This decision. This is quite the decision. I mean, what a way, though. Like, really, when you're just angry at your boyfriend are going to get back at him, I'm done.

Yeah. I don't know. Like, it seems very dramatic. Like, it's, that's a, that's a, that's, a very dramatic choice to make because you're upset with your boyfriend because you think he's cheating on you. But it's like the third or fourth time she's been upset about this exact issue. So break up with him. I know. Well, that's what she should do.

Instead, she's going to go climb that Owen tree and and also have drunk sex with a guy who's been like sober for years. Over for eight years? Oh, gosh. I've been sober for eight years. I've been a virgin for 22. That is, how did we not win Emmys for this shit?

Kelsey, when you're at award shows for Yellowstone, are you ever like, you know who should be here? It's the tree hill kids. No, I mean, look, Yellowstone is neither. Hoy, no, I love, I love just a real stinker line. Yeah. That was, yeah, such a line. That's hard to sell. I haven't I've been sober for eight years and tonight what did he say I haven't had a drink in eight years and tonight that's going to change I haven't had sex in over 22 years and tonight that's going to change first of all like I haven't had sex in over 22 years the implication that you would have had been been having sex at any point until like the last five of those 22 is kind of inappropriate yeah so it's so gross so totally inappropriate I don't know

Guys, I think I'm talking myself into liking this episode more and more. Like, it's so goofy. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer, because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the model. world. Influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jamie and a tucks. Oh, the talent show. That was sweet.

It was cute. It was very cute. Haley still doesn't have anything to do. Poor Haley's just like carrying a tape measure. Thank God they put me in a wiggle dress. Yeah, the dress looked great. I got to wear that Joan Holloway wiggle dress. I was happy about it.

I insisted on wearing the brooch, everyone. It's my fault. I like the brooch. What's wrong with the brooch? Makes me look like I'm 75. No, I liked it. I didn't even notice the brooch. That's so funny.

That's so funny. Oh, my God. I was like, guys, it's cool. It's like vintage and cool. And it was never. Yeah, more brooch is the name of this episode. I don't know. She wants to wear a brooch.

brooch. Just put it on her. We have too many other things to argue about in this episode. We got beak jumping on a fucking chair. Just let Joy have her brooch. But I remember Jackson really being excited about this because he was a little comic. Like he loved walking around telling jokes, doing magic tricks, playing tricks on people. That was fun for him. So I do remember him being super stoked to get this right and get all the laughs from the audience. He was a little jokester. I do. I love that for his character. too, that, like, he, he would be really into stand-up.

So sweet. Did you guys ever do talent shows when you were little? Do we ever do what? Talent shows. Yeah, what was, like, the talent show at your element? You danced to everybody dance now, didn't you, Joy? Every girl did, like, that routine. No, I did a, I did a bid for, I feel like I told you this already.

I did a bid for class vice president in the fifth grade, and I did a dance to Amy Grant's hats. and I had multiple hats on the stage with me that I just rotated through. Yeah. I don't know about talent shows without you guys. Kelsey, what were you doing in elementary school three years before you joined our cast? Were you tap dancing? I was embarrassing myself on One Tree Hill, so I don't think I was in a town show. God, man.

Gus is my son's first talent show in kindergarten. He was like, I'm going to do magic tricks, mom. And I was like, what magic trick are you going to do? And he was like, that one the dad does, where he tears up the paper towel and then wads it together and then it's all whole again. And I know that Jeffrey has not explained this magic trick to Gus. He just thinks it's like hereditary. Like, so he's going to rip up this paper towel and it's going to actually come back together.

And so he's like, I'm going to go do this. I was like, oh, I don't know if we should do that. And so then instead he sang an Elvis song. But George has her talent show this year. And she wants to tell jokes with dragons. And so she's writing a whole. Like puppets? Yes.

Dragon puppets. Yeah. You have to record it. She wants to be dressed as Godzilla. She wants me to create a landscape of small buildings that make her look really big. And then it's going to be her and a dragon telly joke. It's so elaborate. She's producing this thing too or directing it.

That's really cool. But that's the part of this episode that I liked is that a five-year-old knows exactly what they want. Yeah. And it's only the grown-ups that get in the way. Yeah. Yeah. He's adorable. Yeah.

Just tell your jokes, Jamie. Tell your jokes. And Joy, I really appreciated that you as his mom were in the audience given that face of like, I know what he's doing. This was always his plan. This is a little. Actually, that's so much. Like, y'all's reactions to him. No one's shocked.

Because also, like, he probably wasn't there, right? Because he's on kid hours. Did y'all have? Oh, yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, you had to stand in a grown man, Jackson. Somebody on his knees. Or probably a young woman, Jackson. Yeah, it's always like a 20-year-old chick playing a child.

All women being a kid, yeah. I know. That was cute. I'm waiting for Haley to get something to do, though, Joe. I can feel I can feel fatigue for your character because it's like, Nathan, what's your dream? Great.

Jamie, let's do something adorable. Great. It's like, I'm just going to look good in this dress then. I'm going to put my legs up on my husband. Show these legs off. Yeah, it was a good moment. Good hair, makeup, dress moment. Yes.

For sure. What's going on with Peyton? Why is she sick? What's happening? And why is she being so mean to Mia? Actually, in your defense, I do not think you were being mean to Mia. I think you were being a very rational business person. And she was kind of being, I think she was being obstinate for no reason, personally.

That was a speech directed at me. That was me having to say the words that were directed at me. Because the person who wrote it and directed it. So when Peyton's saying, you're so ungrateful, the studio, Go wants this from you. You know, I'd gotten the note about my hair. They didn't like my hair. They didn't, you know, it was like shit they didn't like.

And I had reached that point where I didn't care anymore. And I was like, I don't know. I'm here for a couple more episodes. That whole speech was directed at me. And so it's weird to watch it and watch like a younger version of myself fully commit to it. And like, I remember thinking like, okay, you want to see how bad shit this is. Like, you want to see how crazy. all this sounds. I'm going to show you how unhinged this all sounds. And I didn't like having to

fight with Kate. And also, I'd been so isolated this year. I'm not in scenes with anyone else, like ever. And so again, I'm just all by myself in my office, which is a great place to control me. I'm not able to whisper in the ear of any of our younger actresses. I'm in a fight with Kate in this scene and so there's kind of anytime you fight with somebody on camera there's a level of discomfort because I don't want to take her out of the scene you know even though I want off camera to be really fun and lighthearted if she's having to prepare herself to be upset I can't go and be joky jokey but yeah so all of that weird meta stuff it was hard for me to watch my part in this episode because I'm like,

is anyone else seen this? It's like I'm seeing Bigfoot and he's like right there in front of me and no one else is acknowledging the Bigfoot's there. And I'm like, you guys, it's real. It's right here. And so maybe with some distance and time, other people can see it. But I just, it's fatigue for me at this point.

Because I'm like, I get it. You use the dialogue as a weapon and a tool. Like, me, ma, ma, ma, what else is now? Bye. No, Peyton had a sharp pain at the end of the 1940s episode. And she's going to a doctor. And we know that Ellie had cancer. We know that she's got this history of female problems.

And so we don't know what's wrong with Peyton. But on top of that, the doctor voice in the episode is our producer, Greg Prange, who was my boyfriend's dad. You know, the guy I dated for five years. So there's also this weird layer of that's someone who I loved so, so, so much. And now our relationships, like, weird because a son and I have broken up. And so every layer of the show for me in season six is getting weirder and weirder and weirder. And, you know, what do you do?

Like when we've all had those jobs. Yeah. And you're just like, okay, this is. I think this is when it dawned on me that instead of it being my whole life, instead of it being, these are all my friends, and this is who I hang out with outside of work, and this is my life, and I promote this show, and this is when it became a job. And that sucked. Yeah.

It sucked. But I thought Kate did a good job of being, you know, like a kid. She's being a kid. And we committed to what was on the paper. yeah you have to what else can you do were you did so were you at that time like staying in wilmington were you leaving like i was in that haunted house downtown that apparently is for rent now after the convention where i talked about it a whole bunch um it's like people keep sending me the listing for it like i'm not moving back but someone else can uh yeah it's for rent they put the kitchen in my old

library where the bar was they like moved the whole kitchen anyway doesn't matter i was going to charleston a lot and i was going to raleigh every weekend to go see my high school best friend because it dawned on me that i couldn't necessarily trust the relationships that i'd had over the last you know five six years and then i needed to get back to the relationships that i'd had since i was 10, 11, you know? And so it was good to get out. I mean, I think as a young actor, you don't understand that your job can just be your job. Oh, for sure, especially on location like that. When it's so easy to just become a part of the bubble, you just get absorbed into it. Going to work, though, and just being pleasant at work and then going home and having a

totally separate life is important. Yeah. Like, you don't have to. You don't have to. kiss your co-star just because a casting director thinks you make a nice couple you're like true to do that yeah uh but yeah i mean i think everyone goes through that learning phase and this was just it's weird to watch the exact moment where it hit for me yeah that scene reads totally different now that you're but it's fine because i'm in such this was actually a really lovely period because i am so isolated that I wasn't in any of the big group scenes. Like, I was like, Peyton is going to be Jaby's aunt.

Why isn't she at the talent show? But because I would only work one day an episode in these one locations, that meant I had all this other time to just go do other stuff. And I did. When did you make that short film? You did a short film with Austin

on those cameras that they gave us. I love that you sent the link. You have to send that to Kelsey because it's really, really great little movie. Yeah, they get, what were those things called? Razor? cameras? Yeah, flip cameras. They were like, they were flip cam and they just plugged into your

computer and you could make little movies and we wanted to make a movie for free. And so, yeah, it was about that time because I had all this free time. I was wanting to produce and, and this was really when I was like meeting screenwriters and I was helping out with Cucolores and, you know, Jeff Nichols was a director. He like came and stayed at my house and we workshopped a movie. Like I was doing more production stuff. And so that free time was meant to be a punishment. And it ended up being awesome. Such a gift.

Yeah, like, okay, I can stay busy. Kelsey, what do you do on a lot of your free time while you, when you're on location? I mean, with such a big ensemble cast, there's got to be a lot of days when you're off. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing. And you, yeah, you realize that that downtime is so important. And so I don't know, I really, I think especially after the pandemic, I was, at the beginning of Yellowstone, I would fly out every weekend. I'd go back to New York or L.A. or go home.

I couldn't sit still. And then after the pandemic, I don't know. It became settled. We used the word settled. Settled. I became settled. And I just really, I loved, I'd sit on the porch and watch my dog run. Do you still have that little cat, Sinatra?

Oh my gosh. Joy, I think about this cat all the time. You do? It was just a foster. But it was the first time that I experienced animal love. I wish that you had texted me like two weeks earlier or whatever because I'm real, the cat. Yeah, she wanted the cat. I met with Kelsey and her boyfriend at the time and they had this cat.

They were fostering. He was so cute. and then Maria wanted the cat. I'm in love with each other. I know. And I just had to think about it. And by the time I texted you, it had already found another home, I guess.

I thought maybe you took it. Anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt you. But now you have a dog. But now I have a dog. And yeah, I just, it's also in Montana, you can, there's really, like, all the produce is really good. So you can, like, go pick up your eggs from the neighbor. And you make really nice food.

And, yeah, you get to ride horses on your days off. So I think, yeah, I think just like taking care of yourself because, you know, always, jobs are always, they have highs and lows and are very stressful in their own ways, along with a lot of wonderful things. So, well, you've had really heavy storylines on that show. I mean, if Peyton's dealing with, you know, spoiler alert, pregnancy or like health issues, your character's really been put through the gamut. And that thing that they don't tell you in the beginning is that your body doesn't know it's fake. Your brain knows it's fake. Your body doesn't know that that rush of adrenaline or cortisol is fake. Right.

And you have to take good care of yourself. Otherwise, you'll turn to a monster. Yeah. No, I think, especially the storyline we just did when Monica loses a baby is my mom actually, because I drive out from, from Brooklyn to Montana because what you drive yeah because of my dog she's so tough she's such a tough girl yeah we do she came and did the drive with me and it was really fun and but also it was um she stayed in Montana for those first two weeks so covering all the that that part those episodes and it was really nice because um I just I got to talk to my mom about like my sister was a twin and we

lost the twin and i say we but i mean you're your family no it's a family loss and i think that um and it's so it's so strange because i you know those conversations i'd never talk to my mom and have those conversations or like her miscarriages that she went through and um yeah it just brought about such meaningful conversations and time with my mom and i feel like she really took care of me when we were going through those scenes. And so it was really to have her there. You got to take care of yourself. I love hearing that you're taking the time to do that, though, in an age when there's so much hustle, and especially with this industry, it feels like actors are just, we're all responsible for figuring out our next job with self-promotion and Instagram and all that. Everybody's hustling

so hard with social media and trying to create your own projects and then trying to get attention for it and all. And there's really something to be said for just appreciating what exactly what you have right in front of you and being in that moment and the fact that you get to do that on a porch with a dog running around and riding horses on the weekend and eating your produce and enjoying the wind, the Montana breeze blowing and just enjoying the job you have and not trying to hustle into something else in the interim is really, really such a great example. Well done. I also, I don't know if y'all have found this, but I also think that what's been really nice is you, I feel like you're seeing this change of, of like, the portrait of what a mother looks like. I feel like I've seen that over the course of Yellowstone, of it being like a very idealistic portrayal of what she's supposed to be.

And then versus like, no, it can be and look really messy and you can feel. Oh, the martyr thing is weird. Like everyone wants a mother to be a martyr. Especially, I've turned down scripts. There was a script that they wanted Jeffrey and I to play husband and wife. And, like, the husband could be messy. And the wife had to be this, like, super religious PTA. Like, everything had to be so cookie cutter and, like, pristine.

And I was like, this is gross. And the writer was like, well, I based it on my mother. And I'm like, I guarantee you, you have no idea who your mother is. Yeah. This is what you're right. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, chicks are messy, man.

It's important, and it's important to represent that because it gives the woman at home freedom to not feel shame. It's like, oh. Yeah, you feel normal. Yeah. Look at that pretty slutty girl from One Tree Hill. See, she's mothering, and she's doing a great job,

but also a disaster. Look at that trajectory. I'm doing great. I mean, Hiller, you are like my role. my I'm basically trying to just be your life like live up your join us join us on the commune babe one step away I'm learning from you listen if anybody that tells me that I start setting the property listings I'm just like there is a place right around the corner from you for sale right now join us no what's nice about living out in the middle of nowhere is that you get to

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junk. That's, yes. Oh my gosh. I know I watched. She was like, I know him. I know him. Yeah. No, but I also think it was fun for James to get to play a heightened version. He was he was so earnest on Dawson's and so sincere and he had had some success in that show what is what was that sitcom he did the oh yeah to be or something yeah i i screwed that up whatever that was but he had done an episode of criminal minds where he played a total psycho which was awesome and he had done like this comedy stuff and so it was in a period of time where he was getting attention for not being Dawson and that was fun for him to come play with us kind of bridge those two things where it was a nod to what all the fans loved him for um but then he did a lot of comedy for a long time after

this when i left one tree hill he and i tested for a multi-cam together it was like three's company oh fun it was a weird audition it was fine but yeah the beak's a funny dude he's he's a good time well do we have an honorable mention yeah what was your favorite thing in the episode calce besides that orange shirt that i'm sure you kept that mouth gifted you gosh yeah and this like really awkward post yes yes i was just me being like oh i don't know how to do it got to work on my nudes that's probably why you liked jim nelson so much because he's the guy that would like protect you and throw a blanket over you super fast. That's right.

Yes, I do remember in that part of NGG2.0, I remember him being very stepping in, being like, super protective. So maybe, I know what my least favorite parts are, which were me on the screen. And also, it's always nice to see Robbie, right, Robbie Jones? yeah oh yeah quentin yeah the cape that was great i love watching him on screen yeah you just um i mean let alone the character itself but you just like really root for him you all should get him on yellowstone what's he doing right now oh he's so good what do you thinking a brook dancing oh brook

i think my honorable mention for this episode is the horror of growing up and looking at a past version of yourself and knowing how far you've come. Like for you to say how embarrassed you are to watch the Gigi stuff and for me to watch this stuff, like knowing the behind the scene stuff, there's a piece in getting older in being able to look at that and be like, no one could ever put me in that position again. But look how well I handled it as a young person. You know, like the horror of youth is my honorable mention. God bless it.

We all learn. Glory. I love that. Well, do you want to spin a wheel with us, Kelsey? We spin a virtual wheel and we pick like a most likely too, like you do in a yearbook, you know? Oh, my goodness. Oh, my. Yeah, and then we'll say who is most likely to whatever.

And you have to pick a real life person from our cast or crew and then a character from the show. So we have most likely to ghost someone after a date. So hold on. We have to pick who's our real life person. to ghost someone after a date. Would you, Hillary? It's me. And big it's you.

Guys, I'm not going to waste anyone's time. Like, and I did, season six is the only time I dated on one tree hill, and I just remember a lot of one and dons being like, eh, we're good. I was, I ghosted a lot. It was really immature of me. And I found myself a couple years ago having to apologize. to certain people for ghosting them

because I thought that was the mature move and instead it was just like more awkward like you should have just not said anything no no you did the right thing it's still important to do the right thing even if it's awkward it's okay but which character is going to ghost somebody after I think Millie's going to ghost the shit out of Owen

I don't know I think she's going to get clingy really yeah wait they don't become a thing though do they I have no recollection. I don't remember. Some stuff happens there. Really? Yeah, yeah. I remember one of the episodes I directed, but.

Oh, you directed, so you lived with it in a way. I vaguely remember, but I don't know exactly what it was. They have like a missing thing after. Yeah. Oh, no, that's terrible. God, that darned, Gigi, what did you do? I was such a virgin. I shouldn't have even messed up anything.

Yeah. No, is Gigi the girl that like once she gets him is like, okay, bye. Yeah. She's, oh, sorry, did you want me to call you? I didn't know. My voice is so high. Oh, Jesus. It's cute.

It's cute. Wait, so is Gigi our long chase, but short romance? Yeah, exactly. Panned it? Wow. Yeah, because she's already kind of clinging in the chase, so. Mm-hmm. So once she gets them, it's over.

Yeah. Sorry, mouth. I think so. Well, I love it. Kelsey, I'm so glad that you came to hang out with us. Thank you for taking your time. You're showing us your beautiful face in your mind. Baby, you're going to get joy on a horse,

and then you're going to come up here to the farm, and we're going to start searching for your property, and it's going to be great. Okay, that sounds good. I'll see you in New York. Yeah. So nice. So, so nice to see you.

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