Drama Queens - Mouth to Mouth with Katherine Bailess (aka Erica Marsh) • EP214

Episode Date: March 14, 2022

Katherine Bailess (Erica Marsh) joins The Drama Queens this week as Brooke and Erica clash on screen in the race to win Student Council President.Can you guess what movie Katherine and Joy co-starred in prior to OTH?! AND which Tree Hill character Katherine originally auditioned for?This episode give us what we want as things hear up between Jake and Peyton! Tune in to hear every detail of our favorite on screen duo. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion with your tough girl, you could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. all right ladies and gents we're back we're here with episode 14 season two the quiet things that no one ever knows this originally aired February 15th 2005 and in real time I don't know

when you're listening to this podcast but you're getting us late at night and my people may or may not be sober oh my god we're all going to sound like this Saturday Night Live skit. Shweddy balls. We're going to just talk really low all episode. I feel like I sound like the sloth in Zootopia. Look, I just found my mic. So anyway, it's going great.

Why am I so quiet and so far away? Oh, yeah, my microphone's not here. That's amazing. No, you guys, I was just saying, I feel like I sound like the sloth in Zootopia. I'm like, hello. Well, you also just worked a full day on Good Sam, which, hold on. This episode is airing like very soon before our episode.

Before our episode. So maybe let's tease that a little bit because it's always the highlight of my week when we do this podcast together. It really is like the nice thing in my life. I'm doing a show about like true crime. And it is dark. And so I know that once a week I get this light at the end of the tunnel where we just get to, like, laugh and joke around. And being able to be on set with you guys for the first time in a century, it felt like, I'm so fast. Congratulations. I'm a hundred years old.

It was so fun. Yeah. You floated it on like a Sunday. And by like Wednesday, we were on planes. It was, it was nuts. It was so fast how that. happened and so fabulous and we had such a blast and I'm so excited for the audience to watch too because you know how excited everybody's going to mean hit us with the dates so dates and times dates

and times yes so it's going to be next week March 23rd the 23rd the H ladies are back together hello week week not and we have we have something special coming up before the good sam episode you're not ready for this are you ready for this maybe they're not even ready for this maybe they know because we're talking about how it is going to be the 23rd of March. Do you think they know? I mean, we're not subtle. Guys, it's our day. We're doing a live event. We're doing another live drama queen's event. Oh my gosh. It's so exciting. Our second one. Guys, I'm so freaking pumped about this one. Me too. Tell them why. Tell them why. Because I'm not going to be able to be cool.

you know who our guest is, guys. It's Brian Greenberg. Jake DeGisky's coming on the 23rd. BG. I cannot freaking wait. I can't wait. And it feels nice to have him on our second live event because obviously our first one, our slumber party was just the gals.

But we're very blessed in this moment of the rewatch by Jake Jigelsky's arms. And I think we should ask Brian Greenberg to wear a tank top. He's been carrying those babies around. He's got to have. He's been carrying his babies around and he's probably ripped still. And if we're going to be on Zoom, we might as well give the people what they want, don't you think?

Yeah. Oh, my God. B.G. bust out one of those white tanks. He is such a treasure, not only in these episodes, but currently. You can get your tickets on looped live.com. Yes. And our event, our event is going to be March 23rd at 6 p.m. Pacific 9.

P.m. Eastern. So you can spend the hour with us. We'll see what Brian Greenberg wears. And at 10 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. No, it's just 10 p.m. everywhere, isn't it? At 10 p.m. You will go from the event into our very special episode. The three of us are acting on Good Sam, on CBS. We are on screen together for the first time as a trio in 14 years. It's going to be such a fun night. I can't. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm so curious to see because there were moments when you guys came in, especially when we first started rehearsing scenes and I caught myself just staring at you both being like, oh my God, it's finally happening. And then I was like, oh God, I have a line. Like I have to do my job. I'm supposed to be talking. And I wonder if any of that just pure staring at you too, like the unicorns in the room is going to be in the edit. Well, I did ADR today for the good Samms.

No. Did you do ADRT? I did mine yesterday. Oh my God. It was so wild. Like seen us all together as grownups. Oh my God. I haven't seen it yet.

There we are. We're doing it. It was so fun. Because we had such a secondhand communication. It was a shorthand immediately. As soon as we got on set, it was like riding a bike. Muscle memory just jumped right back. Wow.

We have so many backstage pictures. We'll post all those too. We have so many photos. for you, event and show on the 23rd. That feels like a sign. I mean, of all the days our episode could have aired, March 23rd, hello. Are we all going to get 23 tattoos on our, like, tramp stamp area, like Haley? We need to get some somewhere.

Are we going to get, like, a Roman numeral just to try to edge it up a little bit? Yeah, it's got to be cooler. It's got to be cooler. We can't hit the nail right on the head. We'll come up with somebody. You know what? This is another thing. our friends and fans, we would love for you to submit some ideas to us.

How do we make 23 cool? Tell us. We want to know. Show us. Send us some art. Someone going to design tattoos for us? I mean, I'm into it. Guys, people have gotten our signatures tattooed on their bodies.

What if we got someone's art tattooed on ours? I would love to see some fan designs, some fan tattoo designs for maybe a raven with the 23 or just the 23 altogether or just, I don't know. say like a raven or I'm liking Hillary's idea of like a Roman numeral 23 or is there some symbol what if it's a grouping of two ravens and then three ravens oh all right you know who I'm a fan of who who our guest this episode our guest this episode is so good you guys we're going to take a break don't go anywhere because when we come back it's about to get awesome It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with brother, Alfred Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is going to be following. A voice that needs no introduction, ladies and gentlemen. It is the one, the only. Erica Marsh, Catherine Bayless.

Oh, my God. You have no idea how we've been gushing about you. You are an icon on our show. Erica Marsh came in like a roll of thunder, sister. Oh, my gosh. y'all that was the most fun time i ever had and you all came so close we were such babies yeah yeah like we all became like tight and then we got into a lot of messes outside of what are you talking about what messes oh we're angels perfect angels um katherine okay we need a recap because

you first of all i just read this in the bio they said sent, wait, were you in, were we in Bring It On again together? Right. What? Yes. No. Okay. So, Joy, you and I met from Abigail Spencer.

We met in New York City and you were singing somewhere. Oh, my gosh, the Foxy Ladies Love Boogie 70s explosion. What? What are the words that you just said? And so then, wait, pause. It was a cabaret that I did at. on Christopher Street at the, uh, the duplex, which is like the big gay nightclub in, in, um, yeah, we know what it is joy.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was like, it was amazing. Um, and I did this show that was five women doing, like, the, the, the stretch of the 70s theme songs and like, well-known songs from the stretch of the 70s. Wow. And, um, my dresser backstage was Bryce Dounce Howard. And who was, I know, it's crazy. She was at NYU at the time.

And then my friend Abby Spencer from, we were both on soaps together when we did this show. And Abby's from Pensacola, which, why do you know her? Why did you know her? Are you from Pennsylvania? Met her from Christopher Damon. Her dad, his daddy was on soaps. Okay. Yes.

And she was close with their family. So Abby and I were both doing Foxy Ladies, love boogie 70s explosion in sequins, you know, every three, four nights a week or whatever, doing this cabaret show in New York. and then we met. Did you come to see the show, Kat? Yeah, of course I saw you sing, honey. Oh, my God. Sang and dance and do everything. Like, you're so talented.

All you are talented. You are. Wait, so how did you end up doing this cheer movie? Huh? How did you end up doing? So we met in New York, but then we worked together on bring it on again? Yeah. Okay, were you one of the cheerleaders?

No, no, no. Because I was like, I was in two camps for three weeks. I feel like I would have remembered you. I should have been the lead cheerleader, but I came to L.A. My very first audition ever in Los Angeles, I went out and I met my agents. And they said, oh, so we have a Gothic cheerleader for you. I was like, this is not gothic. I tried, but I didn't really, y'all.

I just put on a black shirt. Oh, my God. I got my gay bestie to, like, just, like, read with me. And then I went in and they go, we'll be right back. And then they go, can you read for, like, the reporter? So I was the multi-personality. Yes. And I told Damon St. Estefano, who was the director, I said,

it would be very cool, like, maybe if I just, like, tumbled into my, like, introduction. So I went and tumbled into my. That idea, y'all, I sprained something to my body. And I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that. But I still did some front stuff. Some front stuff. Some front stuff. Some front stuff.

I mean, like, I always have to give, like, a show. But I remember this now. I totally remember this now. That's why. Because we didn't have, I don't know if we maybe had one scene together. Now I have to see if we can find it where I was like, were you interviewing the cheerleaders or something. Yes, I was. And you were being bitchy.

Yeah. Like, that was your character. Super bitchy. This is so crazy. Oh, this is so great. This is amazing. Because that predates One Tree Hill by how many years? How many years before you?

Just too. Yeah, but still, like, wow. You know. Hey, Sophia. Oh, no. Oh, no. Here it comes. Here it comes.

So I went out for Brooke twice and I got a call back. No. I was not going to say this tonight, but I was like, you know what? Oh, my God. I loved it. I know. And you're, obviously, you're the perfect person for Brooke, but they kept on calling me back. And I was like, and when you got it, I was like, no, she is spot on. Oh my God. You know, when you get a role, you know. Like, when I did. Sure. Or like a thousand girls went out because there are dancers and actresses and they're like, I got it. You know what I mean? And you knew it was yours. No. You just know. But you know what? You know what? Actually, like, I have the chills.

literally I got the chills when you said that because that scene with us after the election in the office. Yeah. Talking about what we're both afraid of, these two girls who don't get vulnerable with anyone for some reason are meeting kind of in this little sacred space and getting vulnerable with each other. And Erica Marsh is in her own way. It was like seeing these two girls mirroring each other. Well, they're negatives of each other. Yeah, they're like two sides of the same coin, right? Yeah.

So that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so when I got the job, no one told me that I was mirroring Reese Whitherspoon in election. After I got the job, someone came up to me. I'm not going to say who it is. I was at a Gilmore Girls because I was on Gilmore Girls before that

and someone said oh I get it now you're Reese for the Spoon I went what Oh that's funny I didn't even pick up on that either I didn't either you so made it your own I did but I did watch election

yeah of course because she's brilliant yeah that's a perfect movie I studied it but I'm like I made it Catherine you know Erica but anyway It's just so funny because they didn't tell me that the audition, which was in there. Catherine, you're such a good actress.

And we've been, you know, look, there are so many, I was saying this when we're watching the episode. There are so many bad choices that so many other actresses would have made in that spot because it's a real easy role to do the caricature version of. Just go full bitch. Yeah. Yep. And there's no dimension and there's no depth. And it's like you're just, what's on the page? And when you were on the screen, you brought so much in.

There was so, there was so much depth. You could tell that this was a girl who, I mean, how interesting to see a character who's fighting for her position, but who is wholly aware of the fact that this is all she has and self-aware enough to admit it to another person who is her rival. That takes so much confidence. It takes so much vulnerability. Also, um,

Moxie, man. It's moxie. Yeah. And at that age to be able to admit, I just was so impressed with your choices. You gave so much depth to her and it made me want to see so much more of Erica. Yes. I mean,

it's why we got lucky we, I mean, off screen to have you. Yeah. Because it could have been an episode or two. And none of us could take our eyes off. you. I mean, even the way, you know, you come up in the hallway and apologize and, you know, say good luck tomorrow. Like, your dancer's posture, like, informed this girl. Her posture was

perfect. Your physicality was perfect. We were just like, I mean, we're still gushing, but we were gushing over all of this. Oh, gosh, my dancer's posture, Lord, her mercy. Somebody said that to me other night y'all at dinner and i'm like should i slouch yeah no no i've got jurisdiction over the slouch sorry yeah i'm trying so hard to unlearn my slouching hey babe what was it what was it supposed to be what was ericamar supposed to be how many episodes they tell you they never told me uh-huh they never told me they said recurring okay um but um yeah um it just it was just that it was recurring and And it was kind of like they said that they didn't have anywhere else to go with her. How many did you do totally?

It says six or seven, but I think I did eight. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like way more than that. Yeah. And they cut the beach scenes because I guess they, Mouth and I weren't going any further. I don't know. Oh, they were testing it out to see if there was a future there.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know, we had some chemistry, the two of us. Yeah, you did. Yeah. Those lips. Those lips. Okay, hold on. Are we going to play like kiss and tell right now because I love that game.

I do, too. We've got a big kiss in this episode to talk about too. So, yeah, let's play kiss and tell. Kiss and tell. Yeah, because I was like, I'd never kissed anybody on screen before like that. What? Really? What? Oh, no.

I'd only just. been like whatever just speaker and like dancer and like kiss people on the cheek and da-da-da-da-da-da and then it was just like whoa and then we kiss on the mouth I'm like in it's close of course it's mouth yeah these are the biggest lips I think I've ever kissed in my life like yeah fantastic yummy you could fall I love it you could just like fall into those pillow lips and get lost all the girls fell in love with mouth it's true maybe now we know the reason. And I'll tell you one other thing. They got me confused with another girl sometimes. There was another girl on the show that was blind. Elizabeth Arnawa. Yes. I have like that

baby face or whatever. And yeah, so they got me confused with her. I'm like, no, no, no, no, that's not me. Melt how to type. Is that what we're saying here? I guess so. They're like, they're like, round that type. He likes the blondes. That's so funny. So wait. So wait. What was, what was the process like? Because I know, you know, you said that they let you know it was a recurring role, but where were you? Where were you living? How did you get the audition?

Like, how did it all start? So I had just done Gilmer Girls and I had a recurring on there. And then I got an audition for One Tree Hill. And I'm like, well, this is great. I mean, this is the one I want to be on. And then they auditioned me. and I kept on getting callbacks. And the last callback, they didn't give me any direction.

I just did it. And then I just left. I'm like, well, I didn't get that. And then all of a sudden, I got it. They wanted me to fly directly to Wilmington. It was probably four days later. I bought a Christmas tree, a real one. I've never done one since.

And I had to just get my best friend to get rid of it. She didn't get rid of it until February, y'all. Oh, my God. Babe, I still have one sitting on my porch right now. They were, they were, like, stuff everywhere. I was like, whatever. You're a great friend, but whatever. But, yeah, so I got it.

And then Gilmer girls wanted me back. And I said, my manager was like, well, she's booked on Montreal now. And then they just kept on right and more and more for me. Right. And then that's how it happened. And so I didn't do Gilmore Girls anymore. And Wentery Hill just kept on happening. And then after that season, I didn't come back. By the way, your character is so good and so dynamic. And you, you know, there's always these stereotypes about high school kids. Right. And you take that overachiever and you make her approachable. And you make her interesting. And that's hard to do. You know, It's like Ione Sky plays that character and say anything, you know, where it's just like, oh, you love school. You're such a nerd. Yeah, that's your ticket out, man.

There's a reason kids commit to school. Were you into school when you were growing up? Well, there's a funny story about that. So I was the captain of the cheerleading squad. Yes, you were. I was the dancer, the cheerleader. Musical theater kid. thing. I was everything. And unfortunately, I didn't really get to do acting and all that in

fix for Mississippi because we didn't have that opportunity. I did everything else. And I'll never forget, I went out for vice president. And this is kind of why I resonated, Sophia, because I pulled from that when we were doing the scenes because I went out for vice president and student body girl. And I was captain the Chilean squad in or was going to be for senior year. And no one wanted, they knew I was a very busy person with dancing and ballet and everything and all that. No one really wanted me to be the vice president. But I went, I mean, I had everybody voting for me. I was campaigning. I had it all. I had like seventh graders going out. And I didn't get it.

And I'm going to be very honest right now. Some other chick got it. She was younger than me. She was younger than me. And I sat in the counselor's office for probably three hours crying. Stop. Wow. Hey, do you want us to fight her?

We'll fight her. Oh, I'm ready. I mean, she's listening to this. She probably knows. I'm not going to say her name. Don't say it. But yes, I was so butt-heard about it. But in the interim, I probably never should have been vice president because I was too big with all my extra stuff.

You know, I just want to sidebar. You went to the counselor's office, which is so awesome. I never went to our guidance council. I was always like, I don't know. I was afraid or I guess I just thought, oh, whatever, they pay you to just like try and make me feel better. You have to pretend to like me. I don't need anybody. But it's so great.

Like I love as an adult now knowing that kids did actually go to the guy. guidance counselor. That's cool. Yeah. Joy. Joy. Yeah. I was one of 52 in my class. Are you serious? Yeah, of course in the series. Fifty-two people in my graduating class. I was one of 55. Oh. Oh, my God. Okay. See, I'm not the only one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was one of 400. Really? I had a small. I don't know how many, but it was small as well. Was it a private school? Yeah, Catholic. Oh, yes, yes.

Was it an all-girls school like Sophia I went to? I was boys and girls and... You better believe Catherine was kissing boys at that school. Maybe a few. We weren't Hillary. I got married. That's what we heard. I was going to say, you got married two weeks ago.

Woman! You are a literal newlywed. All right, we've got some good love. stuff in this episode so hit us with the wedding stuff tell us everything tell us the story please okay well my fiance at the time was like we didn't know where we wanted we moved to Nashville because we just we needed a change and it was just better for everything where were you living yeah from where LA okay when did you guys make that move June okay yeah and so we get here and you know it takes a lot to move it's very stressful yeah so we get here and it takes a couple

months and then my daddy's birthday, my daddy's 70th birthday. God, I love you, Catherine, my daddy. My daddy's birthday. You're cutie. And we celebrated young and we were driving back from Oxford, Mississippi and Michael goes, Catherine, what about Oxford? And I got chills. I was like, yes, yes, let's do it there. So we started making plans. Y'all, we planned a freaking fairy tale wedding within two months shut up oh yes we did yes we did

mm-hmm we had the best I tell you we were like oldies all day every day I love it how long have you guys

been together my daddy did the alligator which I'm gonna post on Instagram wait stop what do you mean your dad did the alligator you cooked an alligator

yeah you know the alligator right no is it a dance It's a dance move. Y'all, it is the craziest dance move. I don't even know. I thought you were talking about food. I thought you legitimately, like, put an alligator on a spit and cooked it.

He starts, like, doing these push-up type things, and he starts moving his body. And he's 70. And, by the way, he's got black hair, which he's never dyed it. I swear to God. Like, everyone thinks he dies it, but he doesn't. And he starts getting down on the ground and going, yeah, that's my dad. That's my dad. Oh, my God.

I love that you had the old-fashioned big family wedding. Is that what you always envisioned? Yeah. I did. I did. Well, we were going to try to make it like a hundred and like 20, but I have a hundred relatives. Oh, my God. Wow.

That's intense. So we decided that we would invite a couple more people. And then my mom invited her people. and it was probably $250. What? Fun! So fun. You very much are

school president if you can throw a wedding with 250 people in two months. I mean, that is a tactical operation that you just went through. I'm into it. Catherine, how long have you guys been together? Okay, so this is how we met.

Short version. So we literally were at the Hollywood Bowl in September 10th, 2018. And I looked at my friend, I said, I need to find a man tonight or somebody. Tonight. And I had just broken up with somebody else, and I will kid you all right.

He was standing behind me. You know, the Hollywood, there's those walkways. Yeah. We were really pretty high up. Who were you seeing? Where was I sitting? Who were you seeing? Who was playing?

Dave Mackey Oh my God Oh my God It's perfect Yep We are the same age Exactly I'm saying

I love this Catherine I love this Love and rock and roll This is great Let me ask you one question Of all the boys on the show Right Like which boy speaks to you

Is it Nathan Is it Lucas Is it Jake? Is it Jake? mouth like what's your type oh lord have mercy um probably Nathan uh huh yeah um the you know the you know the bad boy kind of like you know just a little bit um but then again but then again I had so many scenes with Mal and he's the softy and I have a thing for that so I like it really did work out that we were together, you know, on the show. And he was, I mean, it does help

that, you know, Lee is just like the most amazing person. He's magical. He's the best. And so easy to work with. And so just like has such great ideas and make space for you as an actor. I mean, I just loved him. You hit the jackpot, sis. Did you watch this episode? I want to know. Wait, wait, before we go to the episode questions, I want to know. since we've just watched and we're really in the flashback of our of our 20s who is your Yankee most like out of all the boys on our show oh yeah who's your husband like is he a Nathan or a mouth who is he's not a mouth he might be a Nathan or Chad Michael he's a hybrid he's a Scott Brother hybrid?

I mean, that's the best option. It really is. Yeah. I mean, he's tough. He's tough and he's sweet. He's got a soft heart. Cudy. Always find that soul, you know what I mean?

Tender. Yeah. Yo, God. I mean, he's probably listening to me right now. You tell him to come hang out with us. Yeah. We've got some ladies that are very curious. Our curiosity is piqued right now.

Oh, my God. He might get a little shy between it. the all beautiful girls. We're flirty. So watch out. So am I. All right. We're going to take a break right now.

And then we're going to watch the, we're going to talk about the episode. Catherine, did you watch the episode? Oh, heck yeah. I did. Okay. Yes. We're going to drag with this shit. I was in tears.

I was like, oh, my God. This is so crazy. It was so long ago. and wow, yeah, it was super cool to watch it. I watched the whole dang thing. Good. We just did too. We watched the whole dang thing.

And we hope you at home watch the whole dang thing too so we can all come back and talk about it. We'll be right back. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. And on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to. become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like

Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation. basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

We're back with our sweetheart, Catherine Bayless. Catherine, you're so good at being still. You know, like it takes a lot. for an actor to be comfortable enough to be still and just deliver their lines. Yeah. It seems actually really hard to find.

Yeah. Especially when we're playing teenagers and we're all goofy and wiggly and stuff. What were you basing it on? What were your inspirations for this role? So, I think I've had to internalize it

when again, like, when I was going out like for vice president of my student body and everything and I kind of internalized that and also I knew that I couldn't be big because she wasn't supposed to be big she didn't know how to be big she was just this really introvert had no friends her only friend was like her presidency and maybe one other friend and you just cannot um i don't know it just kind of came naturally and i'll never forget bevin said something to me really yes because bevin had a bunch of lines this episode yeah bevin looked over to me

and it wasn't a very long it was with you i mean uh sophia it wasn't a very long scene was when when i lost and i was like starting to internalize that and starting to cry and she was like how did you do that and I went I don't know I mean it just like it just happened and then that's what that you have to just visualize you in that moment in high school where you're going oh my God I just lost

to a girl that never even knew about being pregnant ever yeah I've been doing this my entire life this is all I have and yeah and that's kind of of, like, how I got there, I think. Yeah.

I think I learned that probably through Liam Esper, through acting classes, but I'm kind of a big person and I am very animated. So sometimes I am animated, but that role I kind of was just, yeah, yeah, she's stoic is what you would say, right? Yeah, and it needed that because Brooke has so much energy and bounce and she's bubbling and busy and, yeah, it really needs. did that opposite energy. I think my favorite scene between me, or Erica and Brooke, was the very first scene

when I turned around and my hair flipped. Oh, the classroom. Yes. You called me Vivica. That's right. Okay, Vivica. Oh, my God. That was so funny.

I loved that scene, too, because you were actually so sincere and so, like, genuinely wanting to help her until the moment that you. realize that she said to the moment she says i'm running for president i've been president since like um seven great yeah it was so great it had that speed it had that clip of like the old spencer tracy katherine heppern movies you know and that clip is hard to do sometimes with guest stars because sometimes directors just so you guys at home know when they come on to set they know like, oh, the regular kids kind of have it made up in their mind how they're going to be. I'm going to over-direct the guest stars and really get in their head, you know.

And so you didn't let anyone get in your head. You know, you knew what you wanted to do, and you were toe-to-to-to with Sof, who, Sophia has chewed up and spit out every other actor on our show. What does that even mean? Brooke has. Your zingers, you're one-line. The liners are brutal. Brutal.

Yeah, Brooke had good bun liners. It's true. Yeah. I love a good one liner. But also to come on the show at a time when it was really at the height of its popularity, you know, it was right in that zone when everybody was talking about one tree hill. And it was very much in the cultural zeitgeist. And for you to come in and not be intimidated and not, you really brought your own.

thing. You didn't worry about stepping on toes. You were like here to take up your own space, which is, as an actor, that's what you want. You want to be around other people that you can trust. Yeah, it's so cool. And you know what? To even that point you made Hillary, because yeah, damn, Brooke had withering one-liners. Just killer, man. And the thing that Brooke would throw at a character like this, Erica was unintimitated. Yeah. And really threw down at, Brooke, in ways she wasn't accustomed to having anyone challenge her. And, you know, you don't expect that from the perfect president who's so academic that she doesn't have any friends.

And yet, here was Erica Marsh, like, in the ring. And I think that's what made that moment between them in the office feel so tender and like it could be something. Yeah. Like they might be friends. It was very cool. And it happened. Well, we have so much in this episode.

I mean, should we just go back to the beginning of those? Let's talk about Catherine's crush. Let's talk about Nathan. Because Nathan, we start to see hints of old Nathan. Yeah. We're starting to see Bad Boy. Let's talk about that trajectory. I was really, I loved seeing James without any gel in his hair.

He was totally baby-faced in his vulnerable state. With his hair down? With his hair down. And, you know, as we've talked about before, James was the youngest on the show. And he took his job so seriously. He had an acting coach that would come in and work with him. And I remember how much he cared about getting this stuff right. So I know that he was working really hard at this and it really paid off.

I just loved seeing this switch of vulnerability and angst and trouble and Nathan. And I love seeing the hints of old Nathan coming back. And he punched Dan. What? Baby, he drenched his own life. And then punched Dan. Oh, yeah, the beer in class, too. The beer in class.

Which is worse. The beer in class are punching your dad. I mean, doesn't everybody want to punch Dan? I think so. So, like, I don't know. I was more shocked that he was ripping beers in class. And then the gall to be like, don't worry, I brought enough for everybody.

And he started passing them out in front of the teacher. What is that? Okay. So, Catherine, when you watched the episode and you saw the teacher in the little baby skirt, did you have a reaction to that? She turned her head. This is what I thought. I'm like, well, hell, I could be playing her now.

Yeah. Because Sophia and I walked right into the trap because they pull out and they do the wide shot of the teacher and we're like, what's with the. skirt and then Nathan makes the comment like and tries to sludge shame the teacher and we realized like oh man we felt we walked right into that damn it we talked about true religion jeans that you wore oh god the true religion jeans those are so good y'all they yeah the fashion we got a lot of those the fashion crazy stuff I mean that time was 2004 2005 yeah well we shot it in 2000 So it aired in 2000, right at the beginning of 2005, yeah.

A lot of love handle on my part with those low-rise jeans. It was just like, what's going to spill out over this? You know what I loved was Brooke's brooch? Do you remember? That was the time when brooches were really in. It was in all the magazines. And you wore the cropped sweater with the skin tight tank top. So you could see it just made your boobs bigger and your waist really tight.

Not you, but the people who wore it, but boobs big waste time. But also you. but also you. And it was really cute. I love that look. I will say I loved that whole outfit, those plaid pants. You know, I love a plaid pants. You sure do. And I was laughing at that cropped sweater, but that's such an iconic moment that win in the hallway. And I've seen that photo so many times. But watching the episode, I was like, God, I used to have so many abs. Like, you guys, my abs were sick. And they went all the way down. And I was watching me just walk out of the hallway to hear the announcement by myself.

And I was like, I know I'm supposed to really be invested in Brooks' emotional journey. But, God, I miss that abdominal situation. Oh, please. You used to look amazing. Oh, my God. No, but it was, it was nice. I didn't know how nice it was at the time. I probably would have worn just more cropped things.

But it's cool. I liked that outfit. You had good outfits in this episode. I liked also what you were wearing at the beginning of the episode. When we come to school, I don't like what I'm wearing. I don't like my hair. I don't like what I'm wearing. No, you don't like your hair in this episode.

I'm dressed like a fucking ding-dong, you guys. This is ridiculous. I don't think that's great. However, Hillary, I love your just wild curly hair. Guys, it wasn't curly hair. It was, it had all burned off. And I hated that that's how I looked when Jake Jigelsky came back. Like, I remember being so self-conscious, like, oh, man, I just really would like it if it were different right now.

But the conversation that we had in the parking lot, about the similarities between Chris Keller and Nathan. That's interesting. Digress. Let's go. I loved that. I also loved... Are they the same person?

Well, before we get into the boys, I'm going to go ahead and say, I loved our walk-and-talks. In this episode, our walk-and-talks were so good, walking through the parking lot, walking through the hallway, and they were at a clip that felt really real, and the energy was so high. But, God, when we were in the parking lot,

And Brooks talking about how Haley changed Nathan and, well, when she first met him, he was arrogant and self-centered and really talented and, you know, they're the same. Yeah. Oof, that hit hard. Yeah. Joy, was it weird for you to watch Hillary and I having that conversation while Haley was away on tour with Chris? Were you like, oh my God, oh my God, it's true.

What they were saying about me is true. Oh my gosh. It was weird because I didn't know I was in this episode. I thought I wasn't. But I guess that's how they, I guess they filmed a bunch of my stuff all. in one. Last week we were talking about, they filmed it all kind of in one chunk. So I think that was one of the pieces, I guess. Yeah, it was, and you weren't wrong. I mean, the fact that Haley was so attracted to a project and, you know, somebody to fix. And that's kind of what Nathan was. And then she fixed him, so to speak. And now there's something else. Okay. I don't think that that's totally what's going on with Haley. I think that that's,

a part of it, like a subconscious part of her attraction to Chris, that she's denying and pushing away and trying to do the right thing. I love a project. Yeah. So many women do. Me too. Catherine, projects? Oh, heck, yeah.

I love a project. Hmm. I'll about a project. Yeah. I will say, though, there was a point where my dad sat me down and was like, you already rescued dogs. Stop dating sick puppies. And I was like, oh, dad.

I was like, oh, dad, it cuts deep. Also, you're very right. You're very right. It's not my responsibility to save human beings. This is really awkward and terrible and horrible, and I have to go now. You've always been like that, Sophia. I mean, if you were, like, in your early, early, early 20s,

like you always rescued dogs. I remember going over and I'm going, how many dang dollars do she have? I know. I know. Which she got the parvo puppies? Were you there when she got the whole pack of parvo puppies? Oh, Lord Almighty.

They were so sweet. But yeah, I learned my lesson. I was like, yeah, taking home a dog and her nine puppies was a real big mistake. But, you know, I've learned that lesson about animals and human beings, too, and look at us just growing up. Hey. You know who doesn't need fixing? Say it with me now. Jake Jigelski.

Jake Jigelski. Hey, good segue. Oh, Catherine, did you ever get to hang out with Brian Greenberg or were you guys ships passing in the night? Oh, no, no, no, no. We hung out a bunch when I was there. You did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We hung up a good amount because he was working at the same time I was working.

And there are a lot of people that were like ships selling in the night, you know, but like we were on kind of the same schedule. So, yeah, I got to know him pretty well. and he just had twins. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm so happy. He went to the same doctor that I went to because I froze my eggs twice.

Oh, really? Huh? You guys went to the same doctor? Good. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. Well, not him. No, but he's, honestly,

he's such a good person. You know, a lot of guys have been revealed to be gross in the last. a couple years. Yeah. Greenberg doesn't have to worry about that. Greenberg has always been above board, and he is kind and professional and awesome. And we got really, really lucky to have him.

And, you know, the girls tease me about the whole, like, Peyton Jake Jigalski thing because I turned purple during the Jake Chigalsky scenes. I'm so embarrassed. It's so hot. You guys, that kiss was so good. And he is such a leading man. He is such a ladyman. He knows how to use the camera, how to use the space in between you guys.

He's in such control of his instrument as an artist. It was really, really. Instrument. I had to sing that. No, me too. As soon as Joyce said it. And we were like, what are you saying right now? You know what I mean.

I do. Joy's like his dancer's posture. Oh, my God. Oh, you know what I'd be. No, also, the delayed gratification of that kiss, we've been waiting for that kiss for so long. Yes. That's, you know what? That's what we wanted.

Remember early on with Peyton and Lucas and how it happened so fast and we were all like, whoa. And it was creepy. It was creepy. This is what we waited for. It's what we wanted and the fact that you took so long to lean in. It's so tender. Oh, God, a little like biting your limp a little. Oh, my God, I was so good.

I loved it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I really liked that the night before they kissed, Peyton left the room and was like, this is too much. And he didn't chase her into the room, you know, the other bedroom.

He wasn't needy. there was no there was like no game playing no he just took that night to formulate his thoughts so that the next night he was like i lied to you about while i was coming here i i want to be with you and you know like i dorked out i mean i'm like trying so hard to be cool i say me i'm like talking about Peyton of course Peyton is like dorking out and trying so hard to be cool um But working with someone like Brian who, he switches from being Brian, your buddy, behind camera, to, like, Jake Jigelsky, this, like, kind of soulful dude, you know, like, there's a shift in the energy where it's really easy to have a huge frickin' crush on Jake Chigelsky and then go, like, have drinks at the bar, you know, with your buddy Greenberg. And that's nice that that energy shift can happen in a really easy. easy way. Yeah. Well, and I know we've talked about this before, but Brian was such a good friend to all

of us and was always such a safe, like, quality guy. Yeah. And I think some of his natural energy is what you see coming out of Jake in these really tender scenes because he is a soulful, present, considerate human. And to watch these two teenagers be with, Holding out of a little bit of fear and a little bit of discomfort, Peyton leaves the room and says, like, this is a lot for my emotions. I don't know what's happening here. I got to protect myself. And he sits with it and realizes, well, I'm keeping something from her and maybe that's why she's keeping something for me. It's so patient and kind. Yeah. I love them. I love them. I love them. Other hot boy energy. mouth getting up to give the speech for Brooke. Do you think this is when Erica Marsh falls in love with him? Yes.

There's a moment that they caught, and I haven't seen this in a long time, y'all. And I looked and went, oh, shoot. That's when Erica was like, hmm, I'm part of him. Yeah. I'm going to get those lips.

I'm going to get those lips. where'd you guys kiss for the first time? Do you remember? Yeah, it was in front of my house, Erica's house. And I did the whole, you know, when you're acting and you don't even know what's going to happen and you bite your lip. And I don't know how awkward it was, but I did it.

And I didn't even know I did it. But it happened and I saw it on film for the first time. I'm like, okay, that works, because I'm awkward and whatever. I'm a high schooler, which I wasn't in high school. Yeah, and yeah, that was the first time we kissed. And it was so cute. Oh, my gosh. I just love him so much.

Yeah. I love that mouth came up to Brooks Rescue. I love seeing them come back together after the last time that we saw him confess to her that he threw the brick through her windshield. And it's just too hard for him to be friends with her anymore. we needed that friendship back. We needed them to come back together. Yeah, and sometimes when you, when you're, you know, you're smarting because you don't

quite know what to say after a fight. Yeah. The, the swooping in and standing up for someone and essentially proclaiming to other people why you love them. You know, it's, that was a, that was like a love letter in action. And it reminded them both how much they cared about each other's friendships. And it was just so sweet, you know, for Brooke to be seen for who she is, not her popularity or what people assume about her.

And for Mouth to be, you know, the hero in front of the whole school. I just loved it. Yeah, me too. A lot of Knights in Shining Armour in this episode. You know, we've got Mouth saving the day. We've got Jake Jigalsky just being a smoke show. And we got Andy. Andy, I was just going to say.

With I end, Ian, with the iconic line, I do tend to get what I want. To get what I want. It just happens that way. He's coming for Dan. And you called it. So if you said, Dan, look at Paul, make the choice to have Dan be rattled at the end of that scene. It was so smart. Just a little.

We needed it. We needed to know that Dan is capable of being rattled by someone. Yeah. And it was just a flash on Paul's face. But it was such a good choice as an actor. to play the bravado and then to go, oh, uh-oh. Like, what's going to happen? Yeah.

And then you see Andy outside, like he's on a stakeout, like in his suburban calling some guy on his cell phone. And I'm like, what is he going to do? I can't wait for next week. T-CB. I honestly, I don't remember, but I can't wait. Catherine, was Kieran part of your hangouts too? Did you guys hang? Okay.

So Kieran and I did a movie before I got Runtree Hills. Oh, no way. No. Yes, we did. It was called Sea of Fear. What was it about besides fear? On the open waters? It was in the sea.

No. And we were on a boat. And one thing, nobody knows this, but they didn't allow fake blood on that boat because it was a very nice yacht. So we had to use catch up. Stop. I thought you were going to say, so we had to bleed. Kieran and I were boyfriend and girlfriend and girlfriend on that movie.

So when I got one tree heel, I got there and Kieran already had a recurring role. So I knew Joy. Yeah. And I knew Kieran. And so, like, I had some friends, thank God, because I was there for so long. And I was like, I need to make friends.

Friends! We got to do it. Oh, my God. I love it. much. The last piece we definitely need to address, though, is Lincoln and Karen, because we haven't really touched on that. That scene was so beautiful. And to watch, I will say, one thing I loved was watching her get ultimately vulnerable with Nathan, this mother who's lost his son and this boy who's, you know, lost his family and his wife. It interestingly made Andy getting protective

over her even more exciting to me because he's taking action because he's seeing what it's doing to her. But we as the viewers get to see her confide in someone else. And it gives you the feeling like all these people's emotions are just spilling out everywhere. I thought it was a great choice. I agree. I loved seeing James let himself be that vulnerable. He hasn't done that on the show yet. And his voice cracking like that? Yeah. God, it broke my heart. for him. Yeah, me too. And watching Karen be the support system that he never had and the weird switching roles that the boys are doing, Lucas living with Dan. Oh, talking about books, being like buddy, buddy. Oh, it's so awful. And the fact that Karen in her moment of need and her hour of need,

missing her son, having Nathan ironically be the one that comes to her and trusts her. It's such Beautiful storytelling. And, you know, we talk about healing. What an interesting healing thing I imagine for the subconscious to have Dan Scott's son. Yeah. I'm sorry my dad was such a dick to you. Yeah. Miss Roe, I'm sorry.

That must have really hurt you. Wow. That makes me want to cry. It was beautiful. Well, we know why Nathan's so upset. It's because Haley is a smoke show, as evidence by her. sweet The Wreckers makeover with the smoky eye and like the sexy halter top in this episode. It was such a delight to see your rock and roll girl makeover.

It was for me too. I was like, oh, I loved that. Yeah. I really, I think this is so interesting to watch Haley. Now that I'm kind of watching as a third party and I've seen Haley's trajectory, watching her go and. do this thing that's like it's like partially for herself but it's not totally without uh selfish motives in a negative way like there's some things that are good that you need to do for yourself

and your own dreams and all that but there's there's something about it that is the secrecy the hiddenness the the tucking something away that mean the independence yeah but it's like longing for independence but she's doing it the wrong way she's doing it in a sly secretive way instead of trusting Nathan. I like seeing that flying. Yeah, I like that Haley was a kid doing this rather than an adult going, let's sit down and have a mature conversation. Tell me what you're really feeling and I'll tell you what I'm really feeling.

And then I'm going to go do this thing and I'll call you and FaceTime every day and check in. Which is who she's always been. Yeah. And by the way, it's who we should all be in our real relationships. But it's less interesting to watch on TV. Right. Watching Haley have a secret and,

and rebel and be bad and refuse to call home and everyone's tortured and she doesn't care. You're like, what is going on? Oh, my God. And it makes it exciting because I want to know why she's suddenly behaving like this. Like, why is our friend going off the deep end? She's a bad girl, guys. She's a bad, bad, deep down. She's a bad girl.

It makes me wonder what Haley's most likely to is now. It's like she used to be most likely to, you know, be the friend you could rely on. And now I'm like, I don't know. Catherine, we do a bit on this show called Most Likely 2, where we spin a wheel and we have to declare a character and also a real-life actor from our show as that most likely to. We're going to spin the wheel right now. You're going to help us figure this out. Okay, then. Okay, then. Okay, fine. Most likely to leave acting and take up golfing.

Sophia. What? Guys, no, shut up. In real life, baby Jenny is now at college on a golfing scholarship. She's like PGA.

She is? Oh, my God. Grace Holcomb, who played baby Jenny, Jake's baby, is like, it makes me feel a thousand years old

that she is in college. Especially as like we're seeing all these scenes of us like holding... in college? Yes. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yes. She sure is. That little baby is in college. And she's going to be on TV soon. Her mom, like I'm Facebook friends with her mom and her mom posts.

Like, she's going to be on TV because she's like in the PGA circuit. She's doing extraordinarily well. It's insane. So, I guess baby Jenny. What's her name? Well, no, Grace in real life. Okay. Which character do we think runs off and becomes a- Would leave what their profession is to just retire and be a golf? Hmm. I feel like skills would do that if he could. Our go-to answers are always mouth and skills.

And they're our favorite characters. I don't know. It's so true. Character-wise, maybe Andy? Oh, yeah. He doesn't need a job. He's rich. He does, that's right.

That feels fair. Yeah, that's a good answer, Joy. Yeah, he sold this company. Golf really reads as like a very wealthy man sport to me. Like a dentist. Yeah. Yeah, dentists always play golf. Except for my cool dentist from North Carolina who had a boat.

Loved him. Oh, yeah. The hot dentist. We'll talk about that a different episode. By the way, nothing better than like having a hot dentist but who also has a cool wife and cute kids and they just like take you out on their boat. I was like, can you guys adopt me?

Like, what is this life you lead? I love it here. Living in Wilmington was a dream. God, it was lovely. Catherine, thank you so much for coming and being on our show. I'm so glad you were here. Hey, tell your cute husband we said hi. He's watching some show.

See, the thing is, we want a different show. shows. Has he seen you in this show? Is he going to see me? Has he seen you in One Tree Hill? Oh, you know what? I think he's some scenes. He might need to.

But I was watching this episode in the den earlier. And I was like, baby, come see baby Catherine. Yeah. Yeah. Check a load of this. Hey, hey. Look at a little bitchy Catherine. which hadn't really changed that much.

Anyway. Next episode, season 2 number 15, unopened letter to the world. See you guys next week. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-TH or email us at Drama Queens.com. See you next time.

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