Drama Queens - Nathan’s Gone, Chris Keller’s Back • Ep 905

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Nathan’s missing, Haley’s panicking, and Tyler Hilton joins the gang to break it all down. Tyler recalls awkward on-screen kisses and why rewatching made him nervous, Sophia and Joy reflect on Chris Keller’s chaos and Dan’s presence, and Rob doubles down on his “Dan did it” theory. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl, you could sit with us, girl. Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. For those of you just joining in, so far we have decided that if Dan Scott was a drag queen, his name would be Lucy Fur, and Sof is exhausted and misread the synopsis in a hilarious way. Sof, do you want to take a crack at it and give us the rundown? Redeem yourself and see if I can do it right?

Yeah. Hey, guys, I'm an adult who can read. We are here today with Season 9 episode. Five, The Killing Moon. This originally aired February 8th, 2012. And oh boy, is it a doozy. Nathan is missing, and Haley fears the worst. As Quinn distracts Jamie, Haley searches for Nathan.

Clay finally gets answers about his condition. Meanwhile, Julian attempts to get back to a normal life, while Brooke and Millicent try to give Tara a chance. Do we? I don't know. This was directed by our very own Greg Prange and written by the wonderful Shana Fuel. Yay. And tell them what they've won, friends, because it's not just the three of us talking about today's episode, is it?

No, it's not. It's one of my all-time most favorite humans, Tyler Elizabeth Marie Hilton. That's the right of my bold name. I so rarely hear it all together. Welcome, Tyler. Thank you guys. I was wondering if after Rob said that, you were going to say Chris Keller likes it. Oh, man.

Tyler a little bit, Barry Hilton likes it. Yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine if we were like, what do you think you learned about yourself from the show? And you were like, I also like to talk in the third person. Tyler Hilton thought it was a great episode. Tyler Hilton, especially like Tyler Hilton's work in the episode. Have any of you known someone that speaks about themselves in the third person?

third person for real and real life? No. Unironically, no, but I actually see it happens a lot on reality television. Not surprising. Wait, what? Yeah, are you kidding me? What do you mean? Like the situation, I think he did that kind of stuff, maybe.

Yeah, it's like every other season on Survivor, there is someone who talks in the third person. Yeah, it's weird. It's really strange. I keep trying to, you know, as an actor, when I see strange behavior, I try and do it so I can see what it feels like in my body. like why would someone what would motivate someone to do that like why what does that feel like um it's so strange i i can't wrap my brain around like i'm having the empathy part of me is having a hard

hard time understanding what would motivate someone to do that i really can't i can't grasp it i just feel like it would make me very uncomfortable for my money only two people have ever really pulled it off and that is the dude from big lobowski the dude and yes you as chris keller yeah That's it. I agree with that. You are making me wonder for the first time if Chris Keller isn't his real name because it's only the kind of thing you can only do with not your birth name. You know, like the dude, the situation. What you're talking about your brand?

Yeah, like, what if his name is like Ryan, you know, or whatever? But like he's like, one day he woke up. He's like, it's Chris Keller, bitches, or whatever. You know, I don't know. I don't know if you can do that with the name. Your parents give you a birth. That's really strange. That's sociopath.

There's got to be, either like sociopath, yeah, it's like dissociative behavior or it's not your real name. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Where you speak about yourself almost like when they do like a young Sheldon, young Chris Keller spinoff. We'll figure out the backstory there. Why does that not exist?

Pitch it now. Tyler Hilton pitched that right now. The fact that they did not do that with Michael May as soon as our show wrapped is crazy. They should have. thousand percent we're all just quiet imagining it now drifting off into the distance well let's jump into the episode

yeah lots lots to love about this episode I thought yes it's not weird for you guys to be watching the show but I have to say first of all it is so weird for me to be watching the show again Like last time I was on Drama Queen's. Yes, I didn't watch the episode. I just came in and be like, hey, hey.

I was, I even told Bravo was like, I am really having resistance to pushing play here. Because like, I don't even know if I watched the episodes at the time. I read the scripts, we saw, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know if I've ever even watched a full episode of the show. I don't know. I don't remember. And I was really nervous watching it.

That was just like... Really? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Maybe you guys have to think back to like starting the podcast. Like, I don't know, was it weird for you to watch even the first season? Because like, you're nine seasons in now. Yeah, like, I can relate to what you're saying because you haven't been doing this with us for the whole time.

But for sure, when things started, I was definitely nervous to push play. There were a lot of times I was like, I know what's happening in the next episode. I don't want to watch myself. I know what was happening in my life while we were shooting the next episode. I don't want to watch. this. Yeah, there's a lot. And by the way, most of us had not seen, well, none of us had seen the whole show in its entirety because we just didn't. We were working on it. We just weren't watching it. So yeah, join the club. You're right in good company. A few times in the beginning, I remember

we would have viewing parties at your house, Sophia. But they would, we would all watch the first scene and then we'd all just be talking and partying after that. Like nobody sat and watched. We never watched anything. So it's like I was, I watched it in a tour van. We were just on tour last week and we were all watching it as a band and it was like easier for me to but I was just like I can't sit in a room by myself and just be watching this this is too uncomfortable it's like but anyway it was really fun I loved it it was actually so cool seeing you guys and fun reliving it but I did have it was so nerve-wracking but really fun how was it for you because for us it was always so fun when Chris Keller would come back A because obviously we've all been friends for

a hundred years and B, because you were always such a delight to add into the story. Like, you got to be a chaos goblin in the best way, I think, especially in season nine. But what was it like for you to have these majorly important storylines and then, you know, go be Tyler Hilton, go make music, go live your life and then come back into the show. Did it always feel easy to come back or was it weird? It was such a good question. In the beginning, I was nervous because I was like. like trying to get myself going.

I wanted people to know who I was and I didn't have, I didn't have a lot of name recognition. So I was new to everything and people would stop me in airports all the time and be like, I hate you. I hate that you're breaking up, Nathan. And I was trying to promote my first record. I was like, wow, doing the show was a huge mistake. Like, I'm trying to get something going here and it's like,

I'm getting known for this whole other thing. And so there was like a lot of like, but I was having so much fun doing it. By the time I came back for season nine, I feel like I had been, I'd done so many other things. I'd been doing music for so long and felt like this thing it shows, people loved Chris Keller by that point. You know, they were like, they got what was going on and they understood like, there's no threat here.

He's just a hilarious little fly that's buzzing around and he's harmless. And so then everyone could just relax and like him, you know, or something. And so then by the time I came back to season nine, I was like, oh, game on. Like, I get what's going on. I get what the deal is. And this is going to be so fun. And I know, like, qualms leading all the way into it and having so much fun.

I'm so glad I got that second time around with him because it was a blast, you know. But, yeah, it's funny. Oh, I'm so happy. You look like you're having a ball. Oh, my God. Joy, you're having less fun in this episode. Rob's not really having anything either. But Chris Keller's having a great time.

Yeah. And to be clear, my pause at the start of the episode. Yeah, I was going to say I wasn't pausing because I didn't like the episode I was pausing because my first note is about Dan just being off the charts shady and how it is He's being so egregiously

Shifty that it almost makes me wonder if Like I was maybe I still think he's behind the Nathan thing But it's like it's so heavy handed Some of the stuff with Haley I was like, what? Is he even trying to hide it? Yeah, what is this choice?

Like Paul, we know Paul's so intentional about his choices. So there has to be a reason. Yeah. For example, the first scene we see Haley's getting the babies, or she's feeding Lydia. And it was made clear in the previous episode that Dan knows that Nathan is getting home that night because they have that exchange when he's like,

I'll leave when he gets here. So the fact that he wakes up the next morning, And by breakfast time, there is still no Nathan. And his question to you is just, is everything all right? Yeah. Yeah. To me, it's like, no, you know your son should be there by then. So it seemed like you were being intentionally obtuse or just like, you know, like, clueless.

Yeah, I guess I assumed that she probably would have just told him, like, yeah, he didn't, I think he took a later flight or something. But he should have had some kind of follow up question. it's strange. Yeah, even if he had opened the episode with, do you know if Nathan got on a later flight? Yeah. It would have tracked a story. What's interesting to me about what you're saying, and I'm so curious about your experience, sorry to jump to the end, but in that sequence with Haley and Dan in the kitchen where he is so, it's like he is the guy right before he kills the person in every scary movie. And it's like, do you? You think that they said to Paul, we need you to seem guilty at this point.

We need to give Haley a reason to suspect you. And then you get to be a hero. Like, I almost wonder if he was instructed or if the idea, you know, among him and the writers and everyone was to almost have him overplay the bad guy to misdirect the audience. Yes. That I think that's really, he gave me the creepy, creepies holding your shoulder. I didn't like it. Well, it had to be scary enough for Haley to think, I've got to pretend my way out of this situation and get away from him. Yeah. Like, that had to be,

there had to be motive for her. Yeah, like a real threat there. A real threat. So, and Dan has, has seemed, the only other times I've seen Dan desperate as Haley was, it was a, it was a, it was a desperation that um was pleading to be understood and this was a desperation there was like an anger in it there was like a it it didn't feel like a poor me desperation which is how dan usually plays it um so there was because there was something so aggressive about it that i think that gave Haley the motivation to go. So I think you're right. There probably was some kind of push to like more, more, more. You've just got to make it so intense. And I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it was scary. I wish I had watched it twice because it did. Yeah. Go ahead, Rob. I can see

you want to say something and I'm fumbling. Well, it just, it felt like the world's least enthusiastic gaslighting. Where he, in the situation. That's an email my next record. actually the situation at hand is actually so serious and the fact that he's a convincing you you're crazy but then also doing it just like he's just worked a 12 hour shift he's like hey it's fine you're it's fine you're being crazy it was that was odd to me like I feel like if you are going like it just it just didn't match like the the energy didn't match the stakes and the severity of the scene I thought that's why I was I was very confused that's actually kind of, to me, what made it more menacing was the fact that he wasn't really trying

to plead. He was just like, I'm just going to say this. And hopefully, you know to just accept it. You know what I mean? Like, which is scary. Haley just let me explain. Let me explain. It felt like he was trying to say, like, you don't understand. Like, I'm basically, I'm trying to build a relationship. I had to get in the door the moment that he gave me the baseball in the picture. He was vulnerable. And it was my only chance to have a relationship with that. son and like don't you understand i mean that's the those are the words coming out of his mouth but the energy like everything about what he was saying wasn't what he usually duds which is the shrink back like can't you see like just feel bad for me please feel bad for me it was aggressive

yeah well but to your point when the script delivered everyone got to the last page and read haley calls 911 and says there is a murderer in my house so if that's that That has to be the end of the script. You have to reverse engineer the whole episode to make that choice make sense. So you're right. I bet it was the sort of thing where because that had to happen, Paul had to make choices that were atypical and were threatening and were things that could cause that reaction for you as an actor to genuinely in a scene with him.

feel afraid enough to call 911. Yeah, I don't think Haley's ever felt afraid with Dan. I'm trying to think back to their interactions over the years. And she's disliked him intensely. She's hated him. She's been grateful to him. She's been appreciative of the fact that he is a dangerous man because it worked to her advantage when it rescued her son and when it helped Nathan with the Renee situation.

And when, I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of those scenarios where, like, the things she hates the most about him also. rescued her in certain situations and people she loved. So it's a, it's a very complex, disturbing, dynamic. But I don't think she's ever actually been afraid of him, like her own safety with him. That was the first time ever. Mm-hmm. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we

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Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, strap on your tinfoil hats with me for a second. Let's go. My favorite. I agree with Yusuf. To me, what they asked Dan to do this episode was so heavy-handed and kind of out of character that it did feel to me like this is the intentional misdirect.

We're going to make him look so guilty so that everyone understands so that way there's a twist. Here's what I think is actually going to happen. I think it's too misdirects, right? I think there's this obvious one we're seeing right now, but I still think Dan is behind it. So for me going forward, my belief is I am waiting to have the Dan Scott didn't do this, or that Dan Scott was behind the kidnapping, be disproved. Does that make sense? You're waiting for it to be disproved.

I am, exactly. My thesis going into the rest of this season is that Dan Scott is the actual perpetrator behind Nathan's kidnapping. And now I am, I'm still on board. Even though I know we're about to see some flip and that it was a big misunderstanding, I think that is the writer's room. being clever and I am still I still think that that is the thing and so I am I am until it is disproven for me very clearly I still think man do you guys know what happened at the end because I

don't remember so I'm actually living this too like no we don't remember no clue like four people who were on the show got the scripts filmed it and just forgot yeah and I was just like you're obviously there because there's a there's a so so you probably you didn't see episode 901, did you? No. The first episode of season nine. No. Okay.

So it opens with a flash forward montage. Oh, right. That's what's telling you guys about. That first page that I read. Yes. Yeah, you was just talking about this in the Q&A that we did in the previous. Okay. Yes.

So it opens with him cocking the gun in the car. I didn't realize that was a jump forward. I was just saying that's out the first page of the season. It's a jump forward. Oh, right. Yeah. And I remember we go. Yeah.

So it's like a crazy thing because you're like Chris Keller is literally there for something major. And you don't remember either, which makes the rest of us feel better because we had no clue. But I don't know if I'm a pawn. I can't remember if I was a pawn in the game or we were doing it together. I don't remember. I do. I know in this, I appreciated the fact that when Haley's trying to go to the police, like, you sort of dropped the Chris Keller act. You were like, no, seriously. Yeah. Let me actually help you because this is real life. And I like to play and keep life fun and interesting. But this is serious. Let's actually take care of this together. I loved that. So, yeah, I think he willingly walked into this.

Yeah. I will say with that scene, though, I was surprised because what I thought was going to happen was Chris is being very mouthy to the cop. Just being an absolute ass, okay? Who, by the way, that's Stephen Elliott, who is James's stand in. Yeah. Is that why it looks supermoded? Yeah. That's awesome.

But when Chris says to Haley, hey, give me a beat. I'm going to talk to him. What I 100% expected to have happened was Haley walked away and Chris turns and goes, hey, sorry, I just had to look tough for my friend, dude. Like, I expected a complete deflation, a humble thing. And the fact that didn't happen, it kind of made me go, okay, so Chris isn't quite as smart as I thought he was. Like, if he really was suave, I don't think he would have hammered on the dude for 60

seconds about being lazy and bad at his job and then turning around and going, hey, but can I get a favor? Can I get a favor? Yeah. No, I think I think that it's broad, broad movements with them, not fine little cuts. I think he's barely getting by on huge Chris Keller strokes wherever he goes, hoping and praying it works out. I love that. That's a great way. Yeah, he's operating with a saw, not a scalpel. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But it was still great. It was a nice, it was a nice scene. I think, like when he said, oh, like, sorry, flight attendant. Like, I think he did, I know, me too, I forgot about that. I was like, oh, yeah, he is out to lunch, like, totally out to lunch.

Like, even when he's like, oh, my bad, he's even wrong on that. Like, he's just, he's not of this world. That'll be great. That'll help out. Not even thinking like, I never. Maybe she'll be there. Maybe she'll be there. Maybe she'll help.

Yeah. Even though I never called her the next day, of course she's still going to help. No. She got a chance with Chris Keller. Living another storyline, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's so nice, though, and it's such great injection of comedy into these moments of tension. Like, oh, you know, joy, all your scenes in this episode are stressed and emotional and terrified and begging for help.

And there is something so funny about Chris being so who he is and utterly. ridiculous, that it gives Haley just a moment to get a breath, you know, even you just being like, I can't, I can't be, you need help, but you can't believe it's got to be from this guy. And it's so, it's, it's really refreshing as an audience member to get the moment of levity when you're worried for this character that you love to watch. It is nice putting those two together, too. I was thinking, like, like, Haley's been so moral and so just like, she's the total opposite of Chris. Like, she's been steady and true and about one thing that's been the total opposite thing of Chris.

I mean, I feel like the other, you guys have had, you know, vacillated between different things. Haley's just, you know, she keeps on keeping on. And for her to have Chris is the guy, like, there could not be a less Haley person, you know, to be her partner. It's funny. Love that. Does that feel like the overall overarching theme of the episode is help? Like, look, people, like, seeking for help. That's sort of, that's what's jumping out to me. Boy, or people actively avoiding help. Whoa.

Looking at you, Clay. I mean. Wow. Yeah. That really blew me away when he was like, you've repressed something that's causing all this destruction in your life. And Clay's like, I don't want to know what it is. Give me some sleeping. No, it's not. Can't you give me a help? Yeah. It was, it was like going like, oh, you have a rusty nail in your foot that's going to give you. you tetanus and potentially kill you and he's like let's just slap a band-aid on it like we're gonna be

fine it'll just grow into my skin it's no problem yeah it'll be okay it's it is really interesting though rob and and this is hats off to you because rather than make such a big deal out of what you were being told you were almost so pragmatic that I was like what's going on here you're like well what are my options? I don't really want to deal with this. And when we finally get the window into Clay saying Sarah died, I remember every minute of it. If anything's worse than that to the point that my brain doesn't want to know it. I don't want to know it. I went, oh, the way trauma changes a brain, like I get what's going on here. And it and it felt. like a moment where I got to understand what was going on in Clay's world in a way that worked

so well because of how you played it. And I know, as any of us would, like, I know you had issues with the storyline, but like you really, you made like a good sandwich out of this. Oh, thanks. I got to say, I mean, the material for the four episodes preceding this was far more confusing and problematic for me than the therapy stuff. At least they finally explained FugSkate. Yes. At least they explained that. And also, as strange as it seems to have someone be sitting in front of a person who could

help them and then have Clay saying, no, I actually can totally understand that. I mean, anyone who's ever been overwhelmed knows that even asking or being asked to add the slightest change to your plate is too much. so even though it could be advantageous from the long run I get it if he's tapped out with grief or if he's just overwhelmed in life especially with all of this crazy stuff happening to him I understand him just going no I'm going to exist from the neck up I'm going to be pragmatic and I'm good I don't have the bandwidth for that you know so I I was I welcome this and also because David Neronia who plays the doctor I had worked with on lipstick jungle so it was getting to like

work with a friend again and he was he was great so this is is strange as this storyline is and is going to become it was a a welcome reprieve for me from what we were doing the last three episodes yeah i liked it it also felt like we really got back a piece of the clay we've been missing watching clay and logan immediately bond over airplanes and and all their really nerdy little facts and the things that they're into and i got to see some joy on your face again. And it felt really nice because we're watching your character want to push away this experience, but we are seeing that getting closer to himself to whatever's going on with him is helping. And it's like, I don't know, there was just something really nice about watching the two

of you and you kind of even getting a little nugget of wisdom from the kid. You know, flying's the best part. I love, I know, I love you guys together. He's such a good actor. He is. Pierce Gagnon is his name. So precious. He had just done Looper with Bruce Willis and Joseph Gordon Levitt. Hadn't come out yet, but he was so good. And I had so much fun working with him. And I have to say, knowing what is to come, it's fun rewatching this and in finding the breadcrumbs. Yeah. So, you know, but that's something else. Rob and I have in common, I ended up working with Pierce on X-Stant with, where Hillary and Jeff were in, also after this. And so, Pierce was like my little robot for two seasons that I worked on.

Literally, that was the character. So Pierce and I were like, we were like a duo for like two seasons on the show. And so it's funny that it was right after he worked with Rob, that whole. And so we were so close because we had just left Wilmington and then went on this other show together. And I didn't know him as well. But yeah, he's like unbelievable, unbelievable. actor, unbelievable. What is he doing now?

We need to find out. I just checked in with him and I told him. I was like, dude, Rob and I were just talking about you. Like, he and I had been hanging and we forgot. Yeah. Isn't he in high school? Yeah. Must be.

We're so old. But he's great. And I, and it was nice to see Clay being happy with baby Lydia. Because I agree with you. It's just like, let's see some more colors besides just, you know, the grief. It did bump me that Quinn had to come visit. at him. He is 24 hours to be in this facility to try and heal. Like, can you not just give him a day? Like, come on. This goes back to what you're saying last episode where Quinn's

entire existence is Clay. This is just ridiculous. But it was nice seeing him with Lydia. That was sweet. Why is Tara so mean? I don't understand. Does she have a crush on you? Why is she so obsessed with being mean to you? Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I get it. She's the new kid on the block. You didn't steal something from her. She poached your chef. She slanders your business. And now she brings cockroaches. It's like she's in a prank war with you that you didn't even know you were in. She just seems to enjoy causing trouble no matter where she goes, even with the situation with Chase. And she's cheating on her boyfriend. And yeah. It's fine. I mean, I can accept all these things about a character. But give me a reason. I would just like to know. So it's not just two dimensional. Just to Sof enjoyed, did, in watching this storyline with Chase, Tara, and Chris, did either of you bump the fact that Chase, once he discovers who Tara is, just keeps hooking up with her? Yeah.

Yeah, it's gross. He's done some growing recently. Michael May's character keeps, like, being like, oh, but, you know, you wouldn't do that, would you? Like, you really lays on the guilt thing, and, you know, he just goes for it. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I love that Michael May is, like,

Well, you didn't know. And he's like, well, not at first. Yeah. Yeah. And what would have, what would have been better is if he'd stopped it sooner, there'd been some device to get them in the space with, you know, Michael May. And then he did what he did, which is you let the kid down and he's like, screw it. I'm going for this.

Like, but it's like you, you've, you've, you've, you've, never not. You've apparently been sleeping with this girl every night. So like, are we supposed to be so shocked that you're going to do it again, even though you said you wouldn't? I wish they would have done something where it's like every, maybe she's pushing really hard. And he's like, no, stop it. Leave me alone. I don't, but he gives in every time if there's some kind of thing where he's like actively trying to avoid her. And then it still keeps happening. At least there's some kind of conflict. He's just openly continuing on. It's just weird. Also, I, I just have a question because at one point, there's like the great

scene she runs into the studio and like jumps into your lap and he's like, got to go. And I'm like, was it so insane for you to be like, hi, Stephen's girlfriend. Let's make out in front of your boyfriend. Oh, my God. I didn't know if like we were allowed to say that or not. It was, it was awkward. And it was like, and it happened right from the first or second episode. And it was just like, it'd be the three of us on set and it'd be like action. And I'd be like, sorry, bud. You know, like, it's like fine and they like laughed about it was like, you know, but it was, you know, I, yeah.

There's actually been a few times, because I think earlier in the show, I was in bed with you and you and Chad were together or something. Like there's a few times where the girls I've been with, I've been in the same room with like the other person. And I'm like, oh, okay, couldn't have given me a single. Well, you also just. realize our job is high school forever. Yeah.

Or like a boyfriend who's like not in state right now or on set, you know, but whatever. Or staring at me. Or staring at me. Yeah. Cool. Speaking of the Tara of it all, the scene where Brooke and Millie go over to whatever, what is Tara's cafe's name? Do we know it?

Tree Hill Coffee. Okay, whatever. Knock off. Tree Hill Cafe. Yeah. Tree Hill Cafe. and Chase and terror and they're kind of canoodling

or she's canoodling up on him and Brooke has the line first of all, ew. And I love that line and I realize Brooke recently said that line to Victoria.

You've already said that line this season. When you come back to your house. Oh, I've been saying it forever. Oh, okay. Because I just thought, oh, does it, like, did the writers realize they did this?

Because yeah, you come back to your apartment and it's when you're dead. dad is sort of bouncing around and Victoria sort of just like unloads on you. And then she starts to talk about her sex life. And your response is, okay, first of all, ew. So when this happened, I was like, hilarious line. I love it. And is this becoming a catchphrase?

I guess so. I love that. I want to start using it, actually. First of all, ew. I love it. I love it. Okay, I like that she brings, I like in real life. the plant had cockroaches in it, but in real life, this in-person friend request, I think is

adorable. I would like to see more of that in real life. I just wanted to say that. I had to look at what year this came out because I was like, where were we at in the social media timeline? It was all just happening. Oh, yeah. It's all Facebook, all the stuff. I was certainly remember if I had a Blackberry or iPhone at that point, like if I'd made the jump, but I don't know where we were at because we started the show with like Razors, I think, all of us. And I don't know what we were using the last season. you know, but I had made the jump, but I feel like I still had my Blackberry for work. Like I didn't want to email on my iPhone for a while, and I don't know when that stopped.

That was really weird. What I will say hit me, which I thought was so interesting, is that the early jokes about the internet, like, in-person friend request, wish there was an in-person block button, like is so funny to me about how new it all still was. But when I realized with that hideous note that she left on Julian's car, I was like, oh, this was the comment section before there was a comment section. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like, people just say the most heinous, horrible shit, and they're like, deal with it.

Wait, speaking of you getting upset there, like, you know, they have those rooms where you can just get out your aggression by breaking stuff? Rage rooms. Rage rooms, that's it. That was my question, too. I was so jealous. Trashing a restaurant? Yes.

You guys, the whole storyline with her in this episode was so fun because I got to go on like an earlier season, Brooke tear, and, you know, come to eviscerate someone being mean, except now it's, you know, for you and I. And the sort of tag team, good cop, bad cop of Brooke and Millie really makes me laugh. And then we get to the end of the episode. And it was like, I just got to go absolutely.

ballistic and they were like destroy everything and I was like everything and they said everything I said okay so I'm like going through just smashing things and you know throwing all the stuff everywhere and I get down the counter and after I throw all the cake tins and whatever of pastries the next thing are all these like big bottles of syrup and I shove the bottles of syrup off the counter like behind the counter toward the coffee machine and they go cut got got got got and they run in and they go not those oh man those belong to port city java come on no way you guys so i felt so bad because i broke all of port city java's actual like flavored zero for the coffee bottles no that is

totally come on that's that's that's so hard to clean up too glass and syrup what a nightmare that they yelled cut why didn't they just let you keep if the damn was already done. They could at least use the footage. I don't know. They came in and then it was like, oh, we're going to have this. They had like the vat of mashed potatoes and then they put the Plexi over the camera and I got to throw it over the lens. And that was also really fun. But by then I was like, look mad, look mad. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I did that. I broke it. I'm sorry. Okay, I'm angry. I swear. Like, I just remember the end of that scene feeling like I wanted to die because I destroyed their stuff, but it's all right.

Warner Brothers has enough money. I'm sure that they replaced them. I bet it was cathartic for you. I mean, after you're in your ninth year on this show, I mean, there is a lot of stuff you have had to swallow and hold on to quietly that I bet it felt good as hell to crack that door open a little bit and let some of it pour out. Totally. I have to say, I thought the note discovering that Tara was the one who wrote the note

felt like it was just one step too far. Because I understand a sort of friendly rivalry competition. We both are in the same business. We're across the street from each other. So everything up to this point, I can go, all right, you're just that type of person. You know, you're like, you like to start shit and okay. But then that one, that move just felt so cruel and below the belt.

that it I kind of had to go okay wait who is this person like what's what's actually wrong with this person because that's yeah that's a whole different thing it had to justify brooks doing that though like I can't think of any other reason why Brooke would have that's true no you know permission in a sense to let I get that I'm just saying it's an odd thing for someone who doesn't even know oh for sure those people to like like let's be honest that's arguably one of the very, very worst things you could have happened to you as a parent. Yeah. So to have some random lob that dig at you.

Well, that's why it's like the comment section, like Sophia's saying, like, because it's just, yeah, I guess the permission that people feel to be able to say horrible, awful things, you know, quote unquote anonymously, to Tara was sort of giving us a taste. I guess she's the type of person that felt that kind, felt something that was advanced. in a negative way for that time period that so many people now feel as a daily part of their routine apparently. Yeah, it's become so common for people to just be so hideous with people they don't know about lives they don't know. Wait, on the internet? The sort of gleeve. Oh, you don't say. What internet are you on? My internet is lovely. I'm on Twitter and I haven't

noticed that. I love the World Wide Web. Puppies and Rainbow. I've also wondering why I have I haven't seen any fans wear burn babies, not burgers, or whatever, burn burgers, not baby shirts. You just don't see that. What a crazy note that was, though. I was like, absolutely insane. For like a second, I had to giggle because it was so, I was just like, whoa. That's exactly what Rob is saying.

So, and to your point, Rob, now we need a reason. Now it's like, okay. So, fine, that was enough motivation. We got the big blow up of Brooke in the cafe, and it's a big moment for the show. Okay, writer's room. got your thing, but I need a payoff as an audience member. You better explain to me in the next episode why this girl is so psychotic. Like, what is going on with her? That's exactly it. Is that she now needs to be more than the girl bouncing between the two guys? Like, you now have

to explain to us why that happened because that does not track. This is why the show is so good because I was so nervous to watch this first episode. At the end of the episode, I was like, I need to know what happens next. And that's what I did when I first got on the show and I watched the first season. I was like, I don't know about this show. I watched the first episode and I crushed the first season in a weekend. And that's what the show does. Is there something?

It's like that sweet, salty thing where you need to take another bite, take another bite. Like, I just like, and we were talking about this. I was like, I was just thinking, I wonder if I should watch the next episode. I can't remember what happens with Tara and I want to know. And that's what the show does. Yes. Coming back. It's so smart.

Drama umami. Drama umami. Drama umami. Oh. It's so. That is so good. It's so good. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sage burn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts back to that scene with brook and milly in the tree hill cafe after uh brook has the great lineup first of all oh okay first of all i love seeing milly and brook back together i love seeing Millie not having to take part in the sad storyline they've given Mouth and Millie this season. So to see her getting to do stuff with you, I was like, oh, that's right. This is that amazing actor and phenomenal character that we've grown to love.

I adored her coming in to have your back in Tree Hill Cafe and doing her best zinger at the end of it when Brooke is really kind of coming down on her and she says, I think like, I think Brooks has something If I could like, I can be a bitch or something like that. And Millie's line is, look up bitch in the dictionary and you'll see Brooke. And your face is kind of like, okay. I'm like that's smoking. Yeah. Yeah.

Good, good try. Good try, sweet. Yeah, exactly. And then Chase goes to talk and it's just dead. Yes. You know? I love that. And Millie's trying so hard to hit that level of rage.

Oh, my God. So good. I love. Well. Oh, go, Joy. It's so much fun. I was going to move on to stay in the topic of Brooke and Julian just move into this storyline with Austin because, you know, he's continuing. Oh, I don't know.

I'm not, I guess I'm a little torn between if they're pulling it out too much and drawing out the storyline too much or if this feels real. Like, as dads, do you guys think this is realistic? That's hard to say. I especially, I love the way Brooke starts off. off the episode. Yeah. To me, that was, I just thought like, yeah, this is how you show up for your person. This is being a good teammate.

I felt that too. Really, really cool. Really cool. Here's what I would say about it. Have your grief, totally get it. But his behavior is, it starts to become self-indulgent. Yeah. When you choose to go to a bar and then you pick a fight that you know you are just,

you're going into to lose, that's self-indulgent. Because you don't know, something bad could actually. happened to you and like so you're doing this to punish yourself and your family may be the one who actually suffers yeah right like it would have been in the last episode if they had done that in the previous episode where it was all part of the same immediate storm emotional storm i could have i guess i would have believed it more but yeah but the fact that they stretched it and then this episode he's going from grieving and and feeling so much shame to his shame kind of metastasizing into anger, what frustrates me is him going and getting the shit kicked out of himself if he

loses teeth, if his ribs get broken. How's he going to help me with two babies? And that's the difference, I think, between the reality of a situation and, you know, what winds up on camera sometimes. I like that we're not just glossing over it too soon and not letting a man have feelings. that the disregard for himself and his role as a parent is a little hard to stomach. And it does feel like, I don't know, it just feels like it's shifting in this way. And maybe that's kind of the point. Yeah, maybe they'll address it in the next episode. I appreciate so much the way Brooke reacted that him saying,

no, I need more anger towards me, makes me be like, no, we don't want to promote that. We want to support the fact that she was so big about it, you know, that, you know, anyway, and I feel the same way. Well, and what I loved about the conversation they had is that rather than be like, Julian, how many times do I have to tell you it was an accident and da-da-da-da, she starts to say, well, here are all the things I did wrong. I knew neither of us had slept. I knew this, that, and the other. And in a way, without saying it, you see him look at her like, well, that's ridiculous. and she's like, yeah, and it's ridiculous that you think it's all your fault. Yeah.

Like it, in an interesting way, calling out the realities of having not one but two infants and trying to juggle work and careers and all the things and the sleep deprivation, like, it was important to ground them back in reality. And it felt so effective that then when he completely leaves reality and does this like, he's gotten hit in the bar, he's gotten dragged in the back, his face is bloody and then he's asking the guy for more. I'm like, all right, it's like a hat on a hat. One thing I will say about it though that I actually enjoyed and it's very interesting

because I didn't pick up on the, how you were saying the note was like the original comment section because this was the early days of the internet. So I didn't pick up on that when I watched it. But what I did notice was when he, it's the confirmation bias, right? And especially as actors who are being discussed online, you, you, you, can find someone to support any idea you have about yourself, right? And so it's very interesting to me that Austin or that Julian is, he's around these, he's around this doctor, he's around Brooks,

and all these people being like, you're human. Cut yourself some slack, give yourself some grace. And then the one random anonymous note from a stranger, he goes, you see, I knew it, none of you were telling me. And as I watched, I went, oh my God, this is the internet. Because this is that thing, right? Remember? Yes.

When there was an IMDB message board, I could read 40 comments about myself, and I will only remember the one that rips on me. Finally, someone to say, telling the truth. Right. I knew it. I do have weird eyebrows or like, whatever it is. And I was like, oh, this is what's happening with him. Like, that confirmation bias is so strong. So that was the one thing I will say that I agree.

It wasn't a smart move as a responsible father, but I thought justified, you know, that him going. to that length. I liked that too because it's such a human instinct. And that felt so grounded. I guess it was just how far they took the fight. Yeah. You know, I was like, man, this is pretty gnarly. I do want to say in like a small defense of his action,

there is a small, small percentage of me, and I meant to say this earlier, that does a little bit understand. I think when you're like frustrated because you don't know how to punish yourself and you're like, I just need some repercussion, you know what I mean? And I think as that builds and builds, I don't know when, I can't remember when we realized he got the idea, like if he didn't know he was going to be doing that until he got

to the bar or if he went to the bar for that. But there, I do in a small, small way, not to that degree, understand being like, someone just punished me. I think there's some, like, religions and some cultures that are like this, too. Someone just punished me so I can move on, you know? And I think his, like, version of that was super intense, but also, like, and he took it too far. But I think guilt is funny like that. Yeah.

We were talking about this in a previous episode, too, that there's no particular, like, linear course to grief. It just sort of does what it does. And, you know, you think about parents who, like, one child dies, and the parent often will go through a season that, hopefully is short but could last for a very long time where they feel they're they're spending so much time punishing themselves that their other kid kind of grows up going like well I'm still here too you know and the and the spouse is saying well hey I still need help and but they can't stop punishing themselves so they end up checking out of the the other lives in their life which is a very real thing that happens so I mean I do appreciate that it's interesting that

it's being explored, maybe there was just something about the way, like the fact that it's being drawn out in this way. I don't know. There's something that rang untrue, but also I really get it. Okay, yes. And thank you, because that makes me realize I should clarify my sort of earlier observation about how far it goes. I think what it is is I absolutely get the kind of manic behavior. The grieving isn't helping. The shame is getting worse now it's turning into anger which is such a such a stage of of grief right but i think what it is it's not that it doesn't feel rooted austin did a beautiful job of showing that it's that i think it was a poor choice in either you know the final pass of the approved script which those decisions

always came from the top or or the choice rather than to have them keep fighting in the bar and Julian to get thrown into something and be like, is that all you got and then get hit again? Right. It felt the hat on the hat is the choice to move them out to the back alley

and have the fight continue and then have him start getting kicked in the ribs over and over again. Yeah, that's the part of drama. Yeah, because it feels like, okay, now we're just trying to explain something to the audience

that they clearly already understand. That becomes... Like they got it, guys. Much less about Julian and much more about writers not understanding their audience's intelligence. And the kids ultimately fun. You're right.

Like, you know, maybe getting a hit in the face a little, you know, it's like the kid is fine, you know? That's right. Yeah. Like what I would have loved, he gets hit down on the ground, cut back to the guy, just finishing, punching him, picking him up and slamming him into the wall.

Maybe they break like one of those bar wall mirror, you know, that has some beer on it, whatever. And then as Julian says, is that all you got? like if the bartender had tried to pull that guy off of him and he got one more shot straight in his nose or whatever, it would have been so effective and the escalation would have meant more to us as an audience

because you'd be scared that he was going to get hurt. When they wind up in the back alley, you're going, wait, how long is this been going on? And it takes you out of, yeah, it takes you out of the scene. And then it doesn't feel real. It feels like we're trying to do like a dirty hairy moment. And it's like, it doesn't feel like one trip. and was like, thank you.

Padded the guy on the shoulder and walked out the bar. The guy was like, what the... He said, like, that's what I was looking for. Would have saved a location move as well? Feel me, guys? See? That's true.

Smart with the money? Smart with the writing? I would argue that Julian put the baby in about as much danger as the doctor and that hospital scene did when she sets a one-year-old on top of the patient table and then proceeds to turn her back on the child

and talk to Julian. I was horrible. I was so funny you brought that up. I just thought I missed something. Like I'm sure there's a hand. What? Do you know how many parents are behind in the casting crew? I couldn't believe that no one went,

hey, whoa, whoa, someone tell her she needs to keep an arm on that baby. Yeah. Especially because that was Rick Clark's baby. A.D. Yeah. That's right. That's, oh my gosh.

So I would argue in that moment, the doctor was every bit as reckless as poor Julian. Well, and when she close up writing the prescription, that takes two hands. And then it had to be, like, there's so much in the episode that's so good. And then they made that poor woman with a straight face say, you should fill this prescription immediately. And it says one day of rest and relaxation, I was like, no. Can I also tell you as a parent who's frequently tired? There is one thing, especially when we were really going through when the kiddos just weren't sleeping, there's one thing I got so tired of hearing.

It was people telling me, you know what, you should just like sleep in. You should get some rest. Bitch, do you think I am choosing to go play pickleball as opposed to, like, no, I am surviving. I don't have free hours in the day. that I can be resting. It's a full-time gig, man. So that's why I'm just like, you should just take a day off.

What? What do you not get about one-year-old twins? Oh my gosh. You know, I always did want twins. I always thought that'd be really cool. But there was something about watching this episode that made me realize, like, everyone always shakes their head up and goes,

no, man, it's crazy. But I always said it'd be fun. But it would be tough. Would be really tough. I told Jenny, I really wanted twins. and she said, you have no idea what you're asking for. And then we had our son, and I realized I was in so over my head that I can't even fathom what two at the same time

as a first time dad would have been like. Yeah, I am the most, I mean, I am in awe of all of our friends, but like when I tell you, there are moments where I just, out of the nowhere, go like, God, Brian Greenberg and Jamie, they just did two, they did it, they did twins. Like, I just think about them. And how crazy, oh, yeah, there was a point, I went over there, before the boys were a year old, I was like over there to visit them one day.

And I just had this moment where I was like, I don't really have anything to do, like, this early evening. Do you want like a hand with bath? And they both were like, what? And I was like, I'll stay. And like, they never would have asked. What a good friend you are. as hard as it is to navigate an infant, then when there's two of them, it's like, it's like one is one and like bath is so stressful. And then two is like eight of them. It's so scary. It's like I need

to clean you, grip you, all my hands are soapy, and hope that you don't drown. Like baths up. Yeah. And I have to be on my knees awkwardly and like bent over and then also like scrubbing and getting something done. It's scary. Did we talk yet about the look on Austin's face when she hands him that prescription? No. I talked about the fact that that poor woman was asked with a straight face to deliver that line. It was just beautiful. The look he gave her was exactly the look that I had on my face when she handed it to him. I was like, come on. Get real. And also I would say arguably the, a lot happens in this episode, arguably the most unrealistic moment is a doctor. taking extra time to write a tongue-in-cheek prescription.

Doctors are perpetually spread too thin and overworked. Like, you'll walk in and be like, yeah, it's probably tonsillitis. Here's a thing. Bye. This doctor's like, I'm going to make a funny. Hold on. Let me write it down. Also, they're prescription pads with the serial numbers because they're so important

that they're trying to make sure they're not counterfeited. And she's like, let me just give you one of these. The scene with between Quinn and Dan When they're at Clay's house Jamie's swimming And it was so nice But I really appreciated The moment

When Quinn says to him You know you did He goes he goes How's your boyfriend doing? She goes he's getting help And there's a beat and she goes You know you didn't need to drown Clay and then perfect Dan Way Paul just goes

It worked last time And Quinn kind of just goes Yeah Sounds right Yeah But I just I loved that exchange In the two of them That was we got to see a couple

Fun dynamics of characters Interacting that we don't get to see Often this episode And all of them were fun to watch Yeah They definitely were Is Barbara Allen Woods in this season Where I was like

Where is she? I don't think she is. I feel like she's not... No, dad. No, I know. There's so many moments that we really missed her with a wish... First of all, ew. Yeah, exactly.

Hey, Rob Buckley likes that. That is correct. Hey! I know. I really wish we'd had Barbara. We needed some Barbara and some Moira on the back end here. Yeah. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kind of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television. television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while

navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we got a listener question. Lainey asks, if you were good enough to be a professional athlete, what would be your sport? Oh, that's a fun question. Soccer for me. Okay.

You know what? I just did this Christmas movie where I played a hockey player. Never played hockey in my life. Had so much fun with these guys. And I think it would be hockey because these guys. These guys are like the pirates of the athletic world. They're like, they're like, smarmy, funny, like they're chippy. Yeah, they're just, there's something roguish about hockey players.

And it's so fun. And I was like, oh, I didn't know this was the vibe. I'm into it. Yeah. And they go, there's something about I just like loved it. I was so charmed by it. So hockey. I want to be around those kind of dudes more fun.

That is so fun. Funny. Now that you're talking about hockey, I probably would enjoy playing hockey, too. Are we about to remake Fetting Edge? Let's do it in reverse. Oh, my God. Topic, I would want it to be tennis. I really want to be a good tennis player. I enjoy it so much. And so if I could be a pro, a tennis pro? Yeah. Hot. And a lifelong sport. Let's be old tennis players together all of it.

of us. And let's catch up over tennis. Like, Sophia, I haven't seen you in so long. We got a book time at the court. Catch up. Oh, yeah. We should just, we should hit the court. Yeah. I'll call Robin Joy and we'll do doubles. I mean you to catch up with them. Great. Love that. Love all this. So cute. Can we just start? Somebody needs to buy everybody tennis lessons for Christmas so that we can all show up. If we're all the same city. We're just individually in our neighborhoods, wherever we are. But every time we're together, somebody books a court and we can actually play. And then when we do a convention, we can all like book some time and truly catch up on the court love this wait should we take our first

group lesson this fall and willing to do it and we record it and then we put it on youtube we're doing yes no i'm actually into that set it up done shall we spin a wheel yeah what a good question what is this okay it's most likely too so you know in high school yearbooks they've got the most likely to blah blah, blah. This is the thing we do at the end of every episode, and we have a virtual wheel. Okay. Most likely to build a separate closet for just their shoes. Characters or actors? Like, are we talking about the characters in the show? We do both. Yeah. I mean, I would say between characters, it's probably a tie between Brooke Davis and Chris Keller. Oh, my God. You might be right. Yeah. You know, like all of his boots.

Okay, which of the real life, I mean, I'm guessing it's got to be a woman because, let's be honest, your shoe collections are definitely far superior to ours. If I had space, I, a thousand percent would build a closet for my shoes. Are you kidding me? Yes. But I don't know many women that wouldn't if you had the space for it. So it's a tie, all of the female cast members? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Would you, Soph, do you have a closet for your shoes? I don't. It would be nice if I could see them all. That's what I'm saying, just to have it all laid out, so they're not all, like, tucked away in random spots. Yeah, maybe.

I was going to say, I feel like that's something Chantelle would have. Like, she is the most amazing shoe collection. Yes. I feel like she would have that. She wins, yeah. Right? Okay. She wins.

Yeah. I think she has the best shoes. Tyler. We should, we should text her and find out. Thank you for taking two hours out of your day for a Q&A and an episode and just bring in so much joy and laughter with you to the drama queens podcast you guys i love being with the queens i love it and rob you're such a great queen what a great addition we love having you thank you buddy isn't he though can't wait to play tennis in momington yeah yes let's do it oh see you guys all right next

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